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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My parents named me Matt.

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Speaker 3: My name is Nola.

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Speaker 4: you to know. It's a pretty great week for us, folks.

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Speaker 4: We are we're coming in from some time on the road.

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Speaker 4: Three fourth of us are back in our metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,

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Speaker 4: and we are celebrating with some messages from you. We're

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Speaker 4: going to learn a little bit more about the anti

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Speaker 4: Christ and artificial intelligence. We're going to dive into some

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Speaker 4: stuff in advance of our supplement episode. Oh boy, that's

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Speaker 4: about landfills. And before we do any of that, we

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Speaker 4: get a lot of correspondence about cloning and some responses

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Speaker 4: to our earlier thing about making sure we all have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in a roundabout way, You're absolutely right, Ben, And

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Speaker 5: this one could take a second, so I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: jump right into it with the message from Byron.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to kind of take it.

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Speaker 5: Out of order because the first thing is a little

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Speaker 5: bit more of a thought experiment. The second thing is

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Speaker 5: addressing a current news story. Hi, guys, I just finished

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Speaker 5: listening to your episode on human cloning. Have you read

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Speaker 5: Never Let Me Go by the Nobel Prize winning author

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Speaker 5: Kazuo Ishiguro.

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Speaker 3: I have not have, either of you, fellows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty great.

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Speaker 3: Cool, Okay, Matt, you I don't know that is well.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is going to be spoilery.

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Speaker 5: This is going to be more of like a big picture,

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Speaker 3: And here it is.

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Speaker 5: This novel is about exactly that topic, cloning people for

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Speaker 5: their organs. A very well written novel which follows the

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Speaker 5: lives of the clones from childhood up through young adulthood.

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Speaker 5: Eventually they receive the letter from the British government that

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Speaker 5: they need to report and begin donations. And when you

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, I don't know this novel.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Ben can add a little bit more context, but

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Speaker 5: it sure sounds like what we know. Sci fi often

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like this is that scenario exactly right.

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Speaker 5: And of course one thing that great fiction can do

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Speaker 5: So this it's again, having not read the novel, it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, Ben any thoughts about suppressed technology

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Speaker 4: It is absolutely feasible to not only clone human beings,

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Speaker 5: Could you see a future that resembles something like this?

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Speaker 4: Quite possibly, it's an excellent question, you know, Byron. Maybe

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Speaker 4: price factor will ultimately be the most important variable here ethics, society.

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Speaker 5: I think we talked about this, and when this discussion

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Speaker 5: they have been able to grow say a human ear

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Speaker 5: So you got to wonder, is there a lab scenario

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Speaker 3: Do it to grow the whole human and then.

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Speaker 4: please your thoughts as well, everybody listening. Does the economy

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Speaker 4: and satire. For now, I pausit to you. There is

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Speaker 2: Well, there's intensive research going into this, and I guys,

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Speaker 3: Material like the terminator type situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the structure falls away and you've got effectively

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Speaker 5: Yes, so it's a mechanical organic combo hybrid kind of implants.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, but it's not it's not cloning somebody's material

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Speaker 4: Growing the cells around the It's like the humans build

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Speaker 4: The economy is made up. It's an ideology.

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Speaker 2: Well yes, but that so I guess one of the

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Speaker 2: The King of Clones, that is a viable technology that's

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Speaker 3: They break music.

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Speaker 4: It's a musical with Yule Brenner and Mellow Face.

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Speaker 6: Gentlemen, I was just listening to your Listener mail episode

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Speaker 6: So just the thought things have changed a lot. My

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Speaker 6: Asian Atari. Then thanks, keep up the good work.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Atari.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes another eight sorry, yes, another agent that are

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Speaker 2: I need at least three.

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Speaker 4: I respect you, but I respect you.

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Speaker 2: that line is because I've kind of grown up with

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Speaker 2: opinions about health food stuff that I feel like it

442
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Speaker 2: pushes me in the direction of the health food people.

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Speaker 2: And let me just tell you why. There's a place

444
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Speaker 2: in Brookhaven, Georgia, and I know this is I'm sorry,

445
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Speaker 2: this is my experience, this is in my world. Is

446
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: where I lived for a long time. Sure a place

447
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: in Brookhaven, Georgia called Nuts n the letter n Berries

448
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Speaker 2: And this is the first place that I went to

449
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Speaker 2: back in the early two thousands. That was a health

450
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Speaker 2: food store. That's the way it describes itself. You walk

451
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Speaker 2: in there and it's the same thing that Atari's family

452
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: did for like forty years. I walked into the store.

453
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Speaker 2: They immediately engaged with me, the employees of this store,

454
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Speaker 2: and they talked to me about, well, what are you

455
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Speaker 2: feeling right now? You? How's your back? How's this? How's that?

456
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Speaker 2: And then they recommended stuff for me to eat, and

457
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: I was like, what really like medicine? And I had

458
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Speaker 2: no idea what they were talking about.

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Speaker 5: Are these people licensed nutritionists perhaps or as that part

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Speaker 5: of your point.

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Speaker 2: This is part of my point. I don't know if

462
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Speaker 2: there're a licensed nutritionists. I don't even really understand, like

463
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Speaker 2: what the science is behind a licensed nutritionist because I

464
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: don't understand the science versus the I don't know belief

465
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Speaker 2: right in some of this stuff because there are levels

466
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Speaker 2: of certain vitamins and minerals to get into your body,

467
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Speaker 2: but the science for me personally is still out on

468
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: how those things synthesize on you know, whether or not

469
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Speaker 2: you need oils to break those things down or you

470
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: need specific other things in dis Yeah. Yeah, I maybe

471
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Speaker 2: I'm just ignorant completely of it. But that's why I'm

472
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Speaker 2: excited about this episode we're diving in because I think

473
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Speaker 2: we can get to the bottom of that stuff that

474
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Speaker 2: there were, at least in my opinion, there were more

475
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Speaker 2: of those things going on maybe twenty years ago.

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Speaker 5: We've talked a bit about Munjaro and those weight loss

477
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 5: or those drugs that are used off label. I guess

478
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Speaker 5: so they're meant to be diabetes treatments, and they've been

479
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: used off label to treat weight gain or to have,

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Speaker 5: you know, to encourage weight laws. And we're now seeing

481
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Speaker 5: tons of lawsuits coming through about how these things have

482
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Speaker 5: had unintended side effects. So I don't know, man, I'm

483
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Speaker 5: not here to say, like all Western medicine is bunk

484
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Speaker 5: or anything. But I do have a little bit of

485
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Speaker 5: a chip on my shoulder when it comes to how

486
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Speaker 5: quickly some of these things are pushed through for use

487
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Speaker 5: to make some of these pharmaceutical companies a whole heap

488
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Speaker 5: of money, only to find later whoop. See we missed

489
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Speaker 5: this because we actually didn't look at it on a

490
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Speaker 5: long enough timeline.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, while I could see.

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Speaker 5: The argument that some of the nutritionist stuff could be quackery,

493
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Speaker 5: I think it's a lot more innocuous than what happens

494
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Speaker 5: with the big pharma and doctors prescribing some of these

495
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Speaker 5: things before they truly know what they do.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, I'm there with you. Let's jump one more

497
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Speaker 2: quick thing that we got from Chef Ben in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: It's important that you put that in there.

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Speaker 7: Here we go, fellas Chef Ben in Chicago. As always,

500
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Speaker 7: feel free to use this on the show. Just listen

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Speaker 7: to your little episode about supplements, which I totally agree

502
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 7: is a racket. So it turns out I've reached an

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Speaker 7: age where I should probably be on a fiber supplement. Fine,

504
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 7: I've made my peace with that part, but they're expensive

505
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 7: and it bothered me. Turns out not only can you

506
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 7: make your own pills. There's like a whole contraction for it.

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Speaker 7: You can buy the capsules, they're separate. You can put

508
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Speaker 7: whatever you want in there. You can put whatever you

509
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 7: want in there, and there's no regulation about it as

510
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 7: long as you're not selling it. So here's what I

511
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 7: do for myself, because I'm also an avid, avid fan

512
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Speaker 7: of the five hour energy energy Shot kind of the supplement,

513
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Speaker 7: which if you guys come for those, you're gonna lose

514
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Speaker 7: a listener because I love those things. That's the only

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Speaker 7: way I get through my deck.

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Speaker 3: This is fiber pill.

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Speaker 7: I start with that noepellina stuff, which is a powder

518
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Speaker 7: form of a dietary fiber derived from cactus. I also

519
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 7: put chia seed in there, which I grind up really finally,

520
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 7: because chia seed is a binder. It's the culinary binder.

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00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 7: It turns out if you save your coffee grounds and

522
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Speaker 7: put them into a dehydrator like I have at my

523
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Speaker 7: house and grind those up really finely too, that acts

524
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Speaker 7: as dietary fiber and can contain up to forty percent

525
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 7: of the original caffeine still, which I can attest to.

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Speaker 7: And then I also add black pepper and turmeric to

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Speaker 7: the mix for these fiber pills. Black pepper and turmeric

528
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 7: have been known to work in conjunction to bring your

529
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 7: blood pressure down. That's been known pretty much forever. Look

530
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 7: at any curry that's out there. There's a good, solid

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Speaker 7: medical reason why that's part of that recipe. So again

532
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Speaker 7: the takeaways here you can make your own pills and

533
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Speaker 7: ain nobody can tell you what to put in them

534
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 7: as long as you're not selling them. Also, coffee grounds

535
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 7: still contain the original caffeine. Keep a real fellows.

536
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 5: Oh snap, Oh, I didn't think about that, man. That's

537
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: some good intel right there. I really like black pepper

538
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: and turmeric like juice kind of juices you can get

539
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 5: that to the point here are very expensive, uh and

540
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: probably smart thing to make yourself, because you can be

541
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Speaker 5: a whole giant heap of turmeric at the another local spot,

542
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: the uh the cab farmers market, where you can just

543
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: get like pubs of the stuff for like pennies on

544
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Speaker 5: the dollar. Sou and I have felt this cost an

545
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: illness coming and done some turmeric and black pepper shots

546
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Speaker 5: with a little ginger and stuff, and I really do

547
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Speaker 5: truly whether it's psychosomatic or not feel like it knocked

548
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Speaker 5: it out.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we loves us. Some Chef Ben here, guys and

550
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Speaker 2: some black pepper and turmeric.

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Speaker 4: Shut out Chef Ben. Also Ben, I know you get,

552
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: I should say, Chef, I know you can't see us

553
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: because this is an audio format, but I hope you know.

554
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: And Doca, I hope you keep it in where I

555
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: said this is the way when you recommended a certain

556
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: observation there, and you're absolutely right in terms of the

557
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: retention of caffeine in coffee grounds. I like to think

558
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Speaker 4: it makes some of my plants a bit more spirited. Actually,

559
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: when I put the coffee grounds into the soil, Doc

560
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: and I share a similar green thumb. So shout out.

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Speaker 5: Chef oh Man, I didn't know you had such agreed.

562
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: I need to talk to you more. I have a

563
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 5: bit of a brown thumb doing my best. But so

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Speaker 5: you're saying that you could take those coffee left over

565
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 5: coffee grounds, and I get the plant thing, But what

566
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Speaker 5: if you wanted to use those to add some caffeine

567
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Speaker 5: to make your own five hour energy.

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Speaker 3: This is viable.

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Speaker 5: You could like add that to supplements and capsules and

570
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Speaker 5: give a little zip to your to your sup I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's I think that's what Chef Ben is saying.

572
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: But Chef Ben is more talking about brewing your coffee,

573
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Speaker 2: getting that initial caffeine hit than using those grounds putting

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Speaker 2: it into let's say, a capsule, vegetable based capsule, or

575
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: one of these other you know, they still many different kinds.

576
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Speaker 2: I had no idea.

577
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Speaker 3: Guys.

578
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Amazon has pill capsules for days, all kinds of different

579
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Speaker 2: sizes and shapes. Craziness.

580
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Speaker 4: We have to help Jeff get to the moon, so true.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, it's helping us maybe get a

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00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: little more caffeine in our system. And or fiber and

583
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: or you know, chia seed and black ever and turmeric

584
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: and all kinds of good stuff and nopalina. I've never

585
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: heard of that. I'm gonna look that up after.

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Speaker 4: This, and Chef's correspondence starts with the importance of fiber.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I gotta have that fiber. It's for

588
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: your poops, everybody, for your poops, for your poops. Check

589
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: it out. No, the hell goes for your health.

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Speaker 4: I like your version, Matt.

591
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Speaker 2: What was that guy's name, Doctor Steve Brule, That's who

592
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Also check out don't be dumb by Josh Clark.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little bit of an influence there. Oh

596
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Speaker 2: this is That's the thing I didn't even mention in

597
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: the last During Agent Atari's message there, one of the

598
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Speaker 2: first things Chef Ben says is supplements are a racket.

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Speaker 2: And I know why he feels that way, because going

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Speaker 2: back to that nuts and berry store that I love

601
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Speaker 2: that we're not sponsored by. You walk in there, you

602
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: feel like you're being helped, you feel like it is

603
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: for your health. And then you look at that bill

604
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Speaker 2: and you go, oh, I didn't think a couple of

605
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: pills and some you know, no sugar added cranberry juice

606
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: would put me back one hundred and twenty bucks.

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Speaker 4: What are they bacon ingratuity?

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Speaker 2: No, it's just these are a lot of them in

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Speaker 2: that case. At least we're like locally sourced supplements from

610
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Speaker 2: local farms and all this other stuff, and it just,

611
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's those little things that push the price

612
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: point up a little bit further, a little bit further,

613
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Speaker 2: and then you realize, oh, wow, I can't afford to

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Speaker 2: take vitamins.

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Speaker 4: Oh geez. It is It is often said that it

616
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Speaker 4: may be more expensive in terms of finance or in

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Speaker 4: terms of time to live a healthy life. That's not

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Speaker 4: necessarily true, but we do know that food deserts exist.

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Speaker 4: We do know that people labor under situations in environments

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Speaker 4: where they do not have access to basic needs vitamins,

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Speaker 4: minerals and indeed supplements that you do need, especially in

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Speaker 4: your formative years. So I guess what I really appreciate

623
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Speaker 4: about this is that we've had so much response to

624
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Speaker 4: the idea of supplements because everybody knows there is a

625
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Speaker 4: grift of foot However, we also at the same time

626
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Speaker 4: have to acknowledge that there is real efficacy here. Like

627
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: it does matter, it can help you. If you are vegan,

628
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 4: you have to find a way to get vitamin B

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Speaker 4: twelve in your diet for example.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's something that people struggle with who have

631
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: that lifestyle, and they really do have to be thoughtful

632
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 5: about it. Also protein. But if you guys ever heard

633
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 5: of a chain of grocery stores called Arawon.

634
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: Sounds familiar, but I don't know.

635
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: It's considered widely to be the most expensive grocery store

636
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 5: chain in the country, if not the world, and it's

637
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 5: sort of like a celeb spot, you know, hot spot,

638
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: and in the US right, yeah, us exactly, yes, And

639
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: you know, they pride themselves on having the best organic

640
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 5: produce and all that stuff, and then to the point

641
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 5: where it's worth, you know, one thousand dollars for a

642
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: cart of groceries, and it has become a.

643
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Speaker 3: Bit of a status symbol.

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of this stuff can be

645
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: considered a bit of a status symbol in terms of,

646
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: you know, how much money you're spending on this stuff.

647
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 5: But I really like, I really like Chef Ben's point

648
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: about being able to make a lot of this stuff yourself.

649
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: I like the idea of having your own juicer and

650
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 5: not having to depend on these pre packaged juices that

651
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: you don't necessarily.

652
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Speaker 3: Even know what goes into it. I don't know.

653
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: I'm on the fence about some of the supplement stuff

654
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: for sure, but I do think there's something to be

655
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: said about things like turmeric and just you know, getting

656
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: your vitamins from like good fruits and vegetables.

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00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: Let your food be your medicine, no etc. Hey There

658
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Speaker 4: you go, healthy depress.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, that's all we needed to say.

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Speaker 2: There is more to say, though, and we're gonna say

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Speaker 2: it in our Supplements episode. So look for that soon.

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Speaker 4: We're going to let's see, we're gonna have to keep

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Speaker 4: this brief, so we're going to set up a future episode,

672
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Speaker 4: and then we're gonna have a letter from home our

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Speaker 4: Our first piece of correspondence in this part comes from

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Speaker 4: B seven, not a vitamin, actual person, human person. As

675
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: far as I could tell, B seven says the following, Hey,

676
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 4: fellow eight brained meat sacks. First Off, love the show. Secondly,

677
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: this is dark and not often discussed. I live in

678
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: the area and did not hear about the landfill until

679
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 4: I started looking at houses after college. With that, let's

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Speaker 4: dive in. The West Lake Landfill, located in Bridgton, Missouri

681
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 4: or Missouri if you wish, is a complex site with

682
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Speaker 4: a history of environmental concerns. The landfill originally opened in

683
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Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties and accepted various types of waste, including municipal, industrial,

684
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Speaker 4: and radioactive materials. However, it became notorious for its association

685
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Speaker 4: with illegally dumped nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project in

686
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Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies. Let's pause there, because I, I don't know,

687
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 4: you know, none of us have been to bridget in Missouri,

688
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: and we don't usually associate that with the Manhattan Project, right, Nah,

689
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: that's so much. No, it's it's like not on the brochure.

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Speaker 2: No, it seems like the perfect place to dump all

691
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: your waste though that is radioactive.

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Speaker 4: Great, Okay, we'll have a new p sure with Matt's

693
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Speaker 4: Matt's tagline, the perfect place to dump your waist.

694
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: He said, sarcastically, and just.

695
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Speaker 4: He said, fannastic. That last part is in italics. Okay, okay,

696
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: so beace having continues. One of the primary concerns associated

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Speaker 4: with the Westlake Landfill is the presence of radioactive materials,

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Speaker 4: particularly thorium two thirty and radium two twenty six, which

699
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: are byproducts of uradium decay. As all our fillow conspiracy

700
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Speaker 4: realist note. These materials can emit alpha particles, which are

701
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Speaker 4: highly ionizing and compose a health risk if inhaled or ingested.

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Speaker 4: Exposure to these radioactive materials has been linked to an

703
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Speaker 4: increased risk of cancer, particularly lung cancer. The landfill B

704
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Speaker 4: seven continues has also been plagued by issues such as

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Speaker 4: underground smoldering, which has led to concerns about potential subsurface

706
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Speaker 4: fires reaching the radioactive waste and releasing contaminants into the air.

707
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Speaker 4: This smoldering has been a persistent problem since at least

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Speaker 4: twenty ten, leading to fears of a potential catastrophic event

709
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Speaker 4: if fire were to reach the radioactive waste. This is

710
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Speaker 4: already dangerous stuff. They don't want you to know.

711
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: I'm way over here in Georgia and I'm terrified of that.

712
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Speaker 4: Awful What direction is the wind blowing? You know, fire

713
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: goes up, fire makes friends, the fire rises, yeah. B

714
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Speaker 4: seven continues. In addition to the radioactive materials, the landfill

715
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: also contains other hazardous substances such as heavy metals not

716
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: the cool ones but yeah, perfect right, not as cool,

717
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 4: not as cool as that, and volatile organic compounds, which

718
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 4: can pose risk to human health. And to the environment.

719
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Speaker 4: These substances can leach into groundwater or be released into

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Speaker 4: the air, leading to potential contamination of drinking water sources

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Speaker 4: and air quality concerns. The effects of the West Lake

722
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Speaker 4: landfill are far reaching, impacting not only the immediate area,

723
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Speaker 4: but also raising broader questions about waste management practices, environmental justice,

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Speaker 4: and regulatory oversight. Does this remind you, guys a little

725
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: bit of our previous episode on the worst industrial disaster

726
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Speaker 4: in human history?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

728
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Speaker 3: Big time?

729
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 5: Yes, again, I was super not familiar with and that

730
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: one continues to haunt me.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that makes me feel a little better

732
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Speaker 2: about this situation is that there aren't three story you know,

733
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: containers of like concentrated poison in this situation. But what's

734
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: maybe even scarier though, is that it's spread out over

735
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: such a large area and you have nobody, nobody has

736
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Speaker 2: any idea where the stuff is within the mass of

737
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Speaker 2: just junk that is again on fire inside and underneath.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where in the world is carmen carcinogen at this point?

739
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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: So to show what B seven is saying here, the

741
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Speaker 4: lendfill has been the subject of ongoing remediation efforts. Nice

742
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Speaker 4: and legal battles whoo highlighting the challenges associated with managing

743
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: legacy waste sites and protecting public health and the environment.

744
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: Also take a look at Coldwater Creek in conjunction with

745
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: the landfill with love b seven. Hey, bro, love right

746
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: back at you, man. This is the stuff we want

747
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: to know because this is the stuff that a lot

748
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Speaker 4: of powerful people don't want locals to know about or

749
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: to talk about, you know what I mean. Like, it's

750
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: all well and good to evaluate, you know, your favorite

751
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: cryptid or whatever, But what about the real monsters who

752
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: are getting away with all kinds of shenanigans here? I

753
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 4: don't know. I like, I had never heard of the

754
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: Westlake landfill. I've been to Missouri maybe twice. The idea

755
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 4: here is something disturbing because it's unfortunately common, right, the

756
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Speaker 4: idea of landfills and the accountability on the behalf of

757
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 4: municipal governments. I'm thinking, you guys, that we're going to

758
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: have more people writing in with stories from their neck

759
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: of the global woods, you know what I mean, Like

760
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: their landfills in Georgia, I'm sure, especially Savannah. Right, for

761
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: those of us listening outside of the United States, there's

762
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: a missing nuclear weapon off the coast of Georgia. Remember

763
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 4: that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.

765
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Speaker 4: It's just there. No one knows, no one knows where

766
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: it is. That's just our mulligan I looked into this.

767
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Speaker 4: One cool thing is that, unlike the incident in India,

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Speaker 4: the US does have the EPA Superfund program. So Westlake

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Speaker 4: Landfill is a super fun site. And Matt, I believe

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Speaker 4: you mentioned the super fun program in our episode on

771
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: the disaster there in India. Could you talk a little

772
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: bit about super fund and why it's important.

773
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Speaker 2: Sure, super fun is the kind of thing that you

774
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: don't want to ever mess with. You don't want to

775
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: live on it, you don't want to build houses on it.

776
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: And yet that's the kind of thing that we humans

777
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: decide to do because land, you know, we apparently don't

778
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: have enough land in important places near water sources. So

779
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: when let's say a bunch of dumping occurs of terrible

780
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: chemicals or nuclear waste, or let's say there's a catastrophe

781
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: at a factory and then they tear the factory down,

782
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: but all the stuff that's underneath the factory sticks around

783
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: in the soil, you call it a super fun site

784
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: because it's going to take a ridiculous amount of resources

785
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: to clean that stuff up. It's also going to take

786
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: a lot of time. And often at times, when let's

787
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: say it's seventy percent complete or something, the cleanup's almost done,

788
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: there will be permits to build on that land or

789
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Speaker 2: something like that. And we've seen so many instances of

790
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: that over the years on this show, where you know,

791
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: people write to us and say, there's some weird stuff

792
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: going on in my neck of the woods. A lot

793
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: of people are cancers in the school that they built

794
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: over this superfund site.

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Speaker 4: It's it's awful, yeah, And also it's a very American

796
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: and misleading name, isn't it. Superfund sounds like, you know,

797
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Speaker 4: a coalition of comic book heroes with all sorts of

798
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: extraordinary powers. Oh sure, yeah, but it's not the adventures.

799
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Speaker 2: We're talking about these sites, right, Like that sounds like

800
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: a horrible thing. Maybe there's a couple of those, right, No,

801
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: there's over thirteen hundred superfund sites that are listed in

802
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: the quote National Priorities List, and that's from August twenty

803
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Speaker 2: twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's a relatively relatively up to date list. There

805
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: are also many more sites that are pardon the crafts

806
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 4: term here, that are auditioning to be superfund sites. And

807
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: that thing about dangerous materials leaching into groundwater into the

808
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: poodable water supply, that's exactly what we're talking about in

809
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: those studies in India regarding Paul right. This danger is intergenerational,

810
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: and it's easy for politicians to ignore this stuff, politicians

811
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 4: of any ideological stripe. We know that the superfund law

812
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: is overall, it is a good thing. It is important.

813
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: Stuff like this needs to exist in industrialized countries. But

814
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: also super fun doesn't have it doesn't have the bite

815
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: it should. You know.

816
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 5: It's also a really innocuous sounding name for something that's

817
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: like a massive, massive problem that is, of course, you know,

818
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 5: the fault of the government in many instances. I remember,

819
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 5: back when I worked at public radio, we had some

820
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: super fun sites in and around you know where I

821
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: was based in Augusta, And for the longest time, when

822
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: I heard people in the news call talking about superfund sites,

823
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Speaker 5: I thought it was like, what are there, slide or

824
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 5: something like super fun it's a super fun site. I

825
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: just feel the name is like one of those things,

826
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: like you said, Ben, if it's the more innocuous sounding.

827
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 5: It is probably the more sinister it is. It's just

828
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: an interesting kind of rebranding, and it doesn't immediately make

829
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: you understand what you're talking about.

830
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Speaker 3: What you're hearing about.

831
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Speaker 2: Guys, it looks like the closest one to us is

832
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: in a place called Cedar Town that I've never been

833
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 2: to in Georgia, and it has a score according to

834
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Speaker 2: toxicsites dot us of thirty six out of one hundred.

835
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Speaker 2: And you only need a score of twenty eight point

836
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Speaker 2: five or higher to qualify on that super fun national

837
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Speaker 2: priority list.

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Speaker 4: Dang it. You know I love qualifications. You know. I

839
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 4: like my little certificates. I like to give my little

840
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 4: things and frame them. Yeah, so maybe I can give

841
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 4: a super fun site you guys, kidding, kidding, EPA, don't

842
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: write to us. Here's one thing that we're hoping to

843
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: set up here. We are hoping to learn more about

844
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 4: where nuclear waste is disposed, because that's stuff, just like

845
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: putting a monster in the ground in a horror movie.

846
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: That stuff does not rest, it does wake, it will move.

847
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: And I do believe, gentlemen, that we have we have

848
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: a future episode about nuclear waste disposal. Do you guys

849
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 4: think that's a good idea. Do you think it would

850
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 4: be of interest or use?

851
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 5: It would be to me for sure, and I think

852
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 5: to a lot of folks out there who may be

853
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 5: also more fully aware right off the bat about what

854
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 5: super fun sites are and where they come from, and

855
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: who's responsible and how much effort and resources it takes

856
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Speaker 5: to get rid of them.

857
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Speaker 3: If it's even.

858
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Speaker 2: Possible, I think we should do I pause it a

859
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: four hour episode where we just name every single super

860
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: fun site where it is so that human beings can

861
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: listen to it and go, oh crap, that is near me.

862
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Because I until we did that episode a long time ago,

863
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: I think we were We knew what a super fun

864
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: site was, we didn't know how many there are and

865
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Speaker 2: some of the like real dangerous nature of them, you.

866
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Speaker 4: Know, also with great affection. I think I have a

867
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Speaker 4: good grasp on our abilities as a group. We need

868
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Speaker 4: five hours for that. I don't think we do it fo.

869
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: We need some energy for that five hours. What will

870
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: we take? I don't know.

871
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. If you are drinking coffee

872
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: right now, do not throw away those used coffee grouts.

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Speaker 2: That's right down joke them on down. We are not

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Speaker 2: sponsored by five hour Energy chef Ben, but we do

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Speaker 2: or I do love some five hour energy. I don't

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Speaker 2: know about you, guys.

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Speaker 4: You're on the five hour.

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Speaker 2: I love the five hour.

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Speaker 4: I love the five hour too. We're so rich in

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Speaker 4: vitamin B. Scientologists look upon our niosin and despair. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if we can get away with that one.

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Speaker 4: Keep it in, but yes, please. The important part here

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Speaker 4: is that we want to know about environmental contamination that

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Speaker 4: you are seeing. What is the open secret in your

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Speaker 4: neck of the global woods, Because as Bat said, the

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Speaker 4: deeper we dig, the more we find, and I wish

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Speaker 4: that was not true on as many levels as that is.

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Speaker 4: So let us know what you think. We'll tell you

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Speaker 4: how to get in touch with us. At the end

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Speaker 4: of the show, we do like to end on a

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Speaker 4: little riff. We're calling letters from Home and guys, I

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Speaker 4: thought we would all like this. Our friend Rebel Devil

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Speaker 4: hit us up and said the following I'm just gonna

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Speaker 4: read it. It's pretty quick, and then we get some

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Speaker 4: organic reactions. Just listen to the history of the Antichrist

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Speaker 4: episode and really enjoyed the angles. You guys, took to

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Speaker 4: analyze the concept of the Antichrist. I especially enjoyed the

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Speaker 4: thought at the end about AI and the Antichrist. I

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Speaker 4: had two thoughts to add to that concept. One, A

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Speaker 4: anti Christ pronounced like ain't i Christ? Is both apt

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Speaker 4: and slightly comedic. Albeit I keep thinking with a thick

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Speaker 4: Southern accent, so maybe that's why it's funny, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I made biscuits for the entire church this morning. Ain't

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Speaker 2: a Christ?

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Speaker 4: Ain't a crast? Right a rebel devil? Continues two. I

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Speaker 4: know you all have to be careful throwing shade at

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Speaker 4: brands on air, but how perfect would it be if

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Speaker 4: Apple creates the Ai, that is, the Antichrist that undoes humanity,

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Speaker 4: perfectly fulfilling the biblical narrative symmetry that an Apple undid

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Speaker 4: humanity from start to finish.

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Speaker 5: We did talk about potential AI Antichrist on the episode, right, Yes,

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Speaker 5: that feels boy crost, and we all cry, no, no,

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Speaker 5: it feels real, dude, that does. It does feel like

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Speaker 5: that would be the most likely A likely candidate for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, as certainly a I likely candidate.

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Speaker 3: But Matthew, but I think you.

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Speaker 7: Know what.

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Speaker 4: Hashtag no pun left behind.

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Speaker 2: But doesn't it feel like he's going to be in

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Speaker 2: video right now? You guys saw their robots that they

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Speaker 2: just fail.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they're doing it. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're that good for it. All right,

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Speaker 4: Well we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: First off, hashtag no pun left behind again?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Ain't I Christ is pretty neat. I'm surprised the Illumination

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Speaker 4: Global Unlimited didn't get to that one first, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean? But real respects real or for similitude,

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Speaker 4: respects for similaritude.

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Speaker 3: I guess your first one's a little bit here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fewer syllables, right, you know, we don't want to

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Speaker 4: be too cannabis about our bars there.

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Speaker 2: For similitude, the appearance of being true or real. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what we're all.

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Speaker 3: Learning along together, folks.

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Speaker 4: Geez we are, and perhaps something is learning along with us.

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Speaker 4: That's our letters from home, that's our listener mail. We

941
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Speaker 4: can't wait to hear from you. Thank you very much

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Speaker 4: to Chef Ben Agent, Atari, Byron Rebel Devil and B seven,

943
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Speaker 4: and thanks to you in advance human or whatever intelligence

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Speaker 4: you may find yourself as for joining the show in

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Speaker 4: the future, help us out, tell us what's going on,

946
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Speaker 4: give us new leads, give us your responses, and we

947
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Speaker 4: try to be easy to find online.

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Speaker 3: Boy, howdie do we ever?

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Speaker 5: You can find it in the handle conspiracy stuff where

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Speaker 5: we exist on Facebook, x FKA, Twitter and YouTube, on

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Speaker 5: Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 3: We are conspiracy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Show. Hey, we have a phone number. You can call it,

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Speaker 2: just like chef Ben and ajann Atari. It's one eight

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Speaker 2: three three std WYTK. When you call in, give yourself

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Speaker 2: a cool name just like they did, and leave a

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Speaker 2: message just like they did. However long you want to

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Speaker 2: make it, except you got three minutes. There is kind

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Speaker 2: of a limit there. Do tell us if we can

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Speaker 2: use your name and message on the air within that message,

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Speaker 2: if you got more to say than can fit in

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Speaker 2: that three minutes, why not instead shoot us and email.

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Speaker 4: We are the folks who read every single email we get.

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Speaker 4: back twenty four hours a night, seven nights a week.

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Speaker 3: There we go.

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Speaker 4: That was the one. Send us the link, send us

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Speaker 4: a limerick or a pun. We can't wait all you

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Speaker 4: old fashioned email address until the bags go on our heads.

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