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Speaker 1: Carrie Champion, my boover.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you're my boo. I had a question you first,

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Speaker 2: but that's okay. We won't get into that if we

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Speaker 2: won't tell Sophia she understands.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to wide open. Thank you, so happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Let me say this, I

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Speaker 2: am very proud of you because you're so open and honest,

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Speaker 2: and I am encouraged every time I see you. I'm

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Speaker 2: all like, she's just herself and no matter how uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: it is, she's just herself. So cheers, cheers, a thank you,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here, of course.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we asked for wine and we made everyone

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Speaker 1: go run down, and because it's necessary, because this is

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Speaker 1: this is my show, and I can do what I want.

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Speaker 2: You can do what you want, and it's needed and

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Speaker 2: necessary and who cares if you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is so necessary. And it's five o'clock somewhere somewhere,

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Speaker 1: not here, but somewhere. I'm okay with all of that.

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Speaker 1: More wine, please, I tell you what this is what

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Speaker 1: I'll start. I'll start the show off. The second I

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Speaker 1: met you, I felt so safe with you. I did.

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Speaker 1: I felt so safe with you, and I felt such

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Speaker 1: a real connection, like on a like serious, serious level.

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Speaker 1: And I am so happy that our friendship now is

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Speaker 1: just like blooming. I want to spend time with you.

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Speaker 1: I just invited you to friends giving. You are onto.

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Speaker 2: I can't kids around, we getting hit, were dressing up,

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Speaker 2: We're doing all of that. Well, I think the feeling

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Speaker 2: is mutual. Okay, So I've always obviously known you, and

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Speaker 2: then you came up my Amazon show and I was

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Speaker 2: just like, she's just so pretty, which you get all

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Speaker 2: the time, right, you get that often. And it sounds

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Speaker 2: very vague what I'm about to say, but there is

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Speaker 2: something about someone who has a pleasant face to look at.

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Speaker 2: This is what society is. It's just how it is.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just that. It's your heart. And I

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Speaker 2: think what we don't see a lot of nowadays, especially

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Speaker 2: all that. I know enough famous people. I can hang

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Speaker 2: around all the famous people if I wanted to, and

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Speaker 2: post the photos and show. But you, above all of

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Speaker 2: all the women we work because we went to can

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Speaker 2: together be sure to you. To me felt the most

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Speaker 2: at home and grounded and honest. And I think, especially

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Speaker 2: for black women, it's hard for us to be vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: and you're very vulnerable, and it's hard for me to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: I really find that seeing people is probably one of

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Speaker 1: my greatest gifts. Really, I do, because I think you

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Speaker 1: have no idea what someone's walking through, and if you

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Speaker 1: just make eye contact, if you just stay present in

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Speaker 1: a moment, it could be five seconds, five minutes, five hours. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have no idea the impact you can make on

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Speaker 2: I felt that from you, and that's also uncomfortable for

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Speaker 2: someone who like when I sometimes when I go into spaces,

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Speaker 2: I'm very guarded only because this business as yeah, and

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Speaker 2: the world has you know what I mean. Business in

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Speaker 2: the world stops you from feeling safe, I think.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting about that because like we've

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Speaker 1: been through some shit, yeah right, So it's such a

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Speaker 1: testament to who we are and how we lead that

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Speaker 1: we still choose to be kind because I do think

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Speaker 1: kindness is currency. And I say that to my three

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Speaker 1: the rules. Sharing is caring, and kindness is currency, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful gift to be able to

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Speaker 1: lead your life that way, even when so much trauma

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Speaker 1: and so much shit has happened that could completely damage

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Speaker 1: you and make you different.

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Speaker 2: One one of my you are so right, one of

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Speaker 2: my really good friends said to me, you still are

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Speaker 2: soft even though everything in the world has told you

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Speaker 2: but you're still soft and open when the world says

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Speaker 2: that is a superpower that you have. And I and

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Speaker 2: and and it's also why people are drawn to you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, but let's let's get to you.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read a few things here. Carrie is

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Speaker 1: a broadcast journalist, sports anchor, and television personality and an

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Speaker 1: incredible human. You are absolutely stunning like you are. It's like, girl,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you're on TV modeling. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: When people give me compliments about what I look like,

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Speaker 2: I get a little uncomfortable because it feels odd to me.

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Speaker 2: I grew up with a mom who always would tell

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Speaker 2: me how smart I was, and she did not necessarily

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Speaker 2: tell me I wasn't pretty, but it was always about

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Speaker 2: you're so smart, you can do all the things you want.

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Speaker 2: You can change the world. And when people say that

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Speaker 2: to me, I'm all like, oh, think I feel it,

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Speaker 2: but I don't, you know, I get I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it a lot of y'all, and so I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm cute that you know, but I thank

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Speaker 2: you for that. It's so uncomfortable. That's okay. Are you

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable compliments? No, I I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the era of receiving. Okay, So when someone

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Speaker 1: says something nice, this is I'm going to help you here.

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Speaker 1: When someone says something nice it makes you feel uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: which were women. It happens all the time. I just say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm receiving that. Thank you, okay, even when it's hard,

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Speaker 1: I receive it.

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Speaker 2: I receive it.

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Speaker 1: I receive it.

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Speaker 2: I receive it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, honey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So for nearly a decade, you were an anchor and

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Speaker 1: hosts on ESPN, and you've been a long advocate for

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Speaker 1: women of color and media, which I definitely want to

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Speaker 1: get to, specially raising a black daughter. You have your

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Speaker 1: podcast now. I was on your show on Amazon. It

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Speaker 1: was the Carry Champion Show, which was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was when even through the camera,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I love you. Sound like I've

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Speaker 1: known her in a different life.

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Speaker 2: Same, same, same.

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Speaker 1: You're an absolute star.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I'm so happy for you to be.

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Speaker 1: I receive that. So I'm so happy for you to

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Speaker 1: be on this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy for you to have this show.

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Speaker 1: So tell me. I want to know about this because

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Speaker 2: Oh and you know why I do that. I like

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Speaker 2: to talk to people because I hate to tell my story.

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Speaker 2: For a very long time, I was always embarrassed. I

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Speaker 2: have the hardest time in relationships being completely naked. I

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Speaker 2: over for a long period of time and being naked.

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Speaker 2: And what I naked is is showing up. I grew up.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's and it's interesting, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: and I'm a big advocate of therapy, and you start

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Speaker 2: realizing who you are and why you're built that way.

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Speaker 2: So asking questions is just one, I'm naturally curious, but

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Speaker 2: right now as we're doing this interview, I'm like Carrie,

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Speaker 2: don't ask her a question, be quiet, And I'm telling

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Speaker 2: but I am speaking for many of us. Vulnerability is

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Speaker 2: often considered weakness because, you know, survival of the fittest.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes we don't have partners. Our parents didn't have.

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Speaker 2: My mom didn't. She raised me by herself. My dad

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Speaker 2: So the way you're raised And my friend said this

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Speaker 2: She just wanted me to take care of myself because

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Speaker 2: life had shown her that if you do not take

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Speaker 2: but because being vulnerable is also powerful. Telling your truth,

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Speaker 2: showing your scars is also powerful. Taking all the what

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Speaker 2: did Brene Brown say wants? She said, once you, once

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Speaker 2: you reveal your secrets, you take all the power away,

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Speaker 2: You take all the shame away. We should bring shame back,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Yes, we should be shaming people left

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Speaker 2: It's just hard, you know. It really is a tough

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Speaker 2: I've battled with that in terms of allowing myself to

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Speaker 1: What you're getting, whether you want When we were in

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Speaker 1: there's always one moment that split you wide open. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I had a series of several things happened to me

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Speaker 2: I remember they had me in classes for kids who

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Speaker 2: And she made sure that just because I came from

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Speaker 2: that I deserve a chance. Let this little black girl in.

434
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: She deserves a chance. Give her the opportunity and she'll

435
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: run with it, and and and for better or for worse.

436
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: It's helped me. But I am still very like I'm

437
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: no matter how tough I am, I'm hypersensitive. You know,

438
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: we're though, like you know what I mean, And it

439
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: doesn't show up, Yeah, it's not. It may not always

440
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: come off like, oh I should be shedding tears. It

441
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: comes off like, well, I'm with the shits. Like I'm

442
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: with the shits, you know what I mean, And that

443
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: is the only way I can protect myself. But I'm

444
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: super say, like, if I think I'm with people and

445
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: I like them and I learned that they're not as

446
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: nice or they might be talking crap about me, that

447
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: hurts my feelings because I was open and I was

448
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: vulnerable to you and I wanted to let you in.

449
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: And so I finally get to the point of my

450
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: life where I'm still pushing through, like I and I'm

451
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: sure you've pushed through. But then I get to the

452
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: point of my life where like I'm like, fuck it,

453
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I am who I am? Yeah, I don't know, I can't.

454
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: And you don't have to apologize for that.

455
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's a great thing. If you get it,

456
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: you get it, and if you know, you know. But

457
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: if you don't know, I feel sorry for you because

458
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: you're missing out. Well.

459
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: I just I love when you talk about Oprah because

460
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: this is what we're missing is representation. Yeah, I'll say

461
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: it over visibility representation for sure. You know. I love

462
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: that you were able to see that on TV as

463
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: a seven year old, because I did. I read this

464
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: story about that AHA moment for you when you're sitting

465
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: there and your you know, grandma probably is like, get

466
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: your ass back too close to the TV. I don't

467
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: know if that was your mom, are you granny both?

468
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: Why are you close sitting on top of the TV.

469
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: They're like, you don have bad eyes?

470
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: Too late, it's late, but it's you know, seeing is

471
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: really believing, right. I think for women, we're always told

472
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: to not take up too much space, don't be too confrontational,

473
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: don't don't say too much on this topic, and it's

474
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: like the second we do, we're labeled as complicated, confrontational,

475
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: all of these things, a bitch or this and that.

476
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: I can imagine has a beautiful, smart black woman going

477
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: into TV, going into journalism is.

478
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: How dare you?

479
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what you face, But you're still here.

480
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: It's hard, and it's still hard. It's still hard. Here's

481
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: the thing I think, like I think when I went

482
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: to ESPN. Well, first of all, I started off in

483
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: local news and I worked my way up and I

484
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: got fire for cursing on air. It's my favorite.

485
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: Tell me everything. West Virginia's my girl goes. Grew up

486
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: in Pasadena.

487
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: I grew up in Pasadena. I drive my Nissan Ultima

488
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: to West Virginia to get my very first TV job.

489
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: And you went to UCLA. I want to talk about that,

490
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: right and yeah, now shipped to West virgin Ucla.

491
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm in Westwood is the center of everything. And then

492
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: I've only lived and as you will know, California is

493
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: arguably one of the most liberal states. Everybody's doing whatever.

494
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: You mind your business, no one cares, No one cares.

495
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: You just mind your business. And I and I get

496
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: a job in Bluefield Oakley, West, Virginia market one something

497
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: at the time, probably two hundred now, and I and

498
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: I was a one man band. They gave me a car,

499
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: they gave me a camera, and they said in a

500
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: tripod very much like what you see here, and they

501
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: were like, good luck, go out there and do it.

502
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, I'll go and do it.

503
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: And at the time you speak of representation, there were

504
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: only really two women who were really well known, and

505
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: any woman who was doing kind of what I was

506
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: doing kind of looked like Katie Kirk, you know, short hair.

507
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: Oprah was aspirational because she was sitting and she had

508
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: already did. Katie felt very newsy to me. And I

509
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: wanted a big, cheap suit in a short haircut. And

510
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: I was, ohka, God bless me, I mean, oily skin

511
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: make up here breaking up.

512
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: We need a picture.

513
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: I'm I literally have to go way. I got to

514
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: go call and ask for a photo because it was

515
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: this disaster. But it was my very first job, and

516
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: I loved it, and I loved it and I loved

517
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: it and I loved it. I didn't care how the

518
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: mayor walked up to me and said, Hey, do you

519
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: want to meet our colored lady. This was not nineteen nineteen,

520
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: this is two thousand and one. And I was like,

521
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: you're wet now. Yeah.

522
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: She was like, our.

523
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: Colored lady, you guys will have a good time. And

524
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she thinks that's okay and I didn't.

525
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: And then I remember I had befriended a few people there,

526
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, gosh, the mayor called me colored.

527
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: She was like, you've never been called colored. I was like, oh,

528
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I literally drove from two thousand and

529
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: one to nineteen seventy six cause I don't know where

530
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: I drove to. It was like I was driving backwards.

531
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: But it didn't offend me because she didn't you want

532
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: to hear something crazy. She didn't want. She wasn't saying

533
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: that offensively. It was a term that she had been

534
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: using since she was since the beginning of life, and

535
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: I wasn't And I felt that I didn't feel like

536
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: she was trying to put me down. I felt like

537
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: she was really trying to embrace me and have me

538
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: meet people. And they didn't know I was a city slicker.

539
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: I was like, we don't use those words where I'm from.

540
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, really, you know, like they were just surprised,

541
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking I didn't care that happened. I

542
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: remember thinking, I love what I do, and I'm going

543
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: to do this for the rest of my life, and

544
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: I'm going to be so amazing at this because I

545
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: love what it is, the telling stories, meeting people, understanding

546
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: who they were. And then I had bounced around because

547
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: in that business, local news, you have to bounce from

548
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: market to market. So I went to Florida and I

549
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: thrived there West pom Beach, and then I went to Atlanta.

550
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: And Atlanta was when I was I fully realized I

551
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: was a black woman and I did not deserve this

552
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: in their minds, the same privileges other people had. Atlanta

553
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: was the first time, because I do believe I describe

554
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta City as a blue dot in a red state,

555
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: meaning everyone was seemingly progressive. The mayor was black, the

556
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: governor wasn't black, but like those people who were in

557
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: there were lawyers and attorneys who were very black. And

558
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is a very black for

559
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: upwardly mobile community. And I remember being told by my

560
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: boss at the time basically I was too big for

561
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: my bridges and he didn't like my attitude and he

562
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: wanted me to be humbled, and he tried to and

563
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: they fired me. They fired me for a story that

564
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: was not even worth being fired, but it was whether

565
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: or not I said mother suka on air, which is

566
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: a common thing. You know, Black folks be like my mom,

567
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: mother sucker. This My mic was hot and you could

568
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: hear it in the commercial break. You couldn't see me,

569
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: but you could hear me saying mother soaka. And they're like,

570
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: no one uses that word, and I'm like, it's a

571
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: black terminology who use it all the time. It's very funny.

572
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: It's my way of not cursing. But more importantly, I

573
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: wasn't even on camera, So why are you? Why are

574
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: you firing me? What did I do wrong? Really? I

575
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: was literally a commercial braink. But my boss had told

576
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: me that I'd gotten too big for my bitches in

577
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: a matter of speaking, and I was like oh. And

578
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: then everyone started to talk to me about what it

579
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: looked like and how I presented and how it made

580
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: people uncomfortable. And I was like, oh, I'm too comfortable.

581
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: You want me to be more deferential, You want me

582
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: to thank you, sir, thank you boss, And I was like,

583
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that looks like. I don't

584
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: even have that in me, even if I knew to

585
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: do that, I don't have that in me. Because we're equal.

586
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: I walk in any room thinking we're the equal. You're

587
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: just as important. Everybody's all the same, right, Why are

588
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: you so special over me? Why does your skin color

589
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: make you better than me? What in the world is

590
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: this this thing that told us that if you are darker,

591
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: you have more melanin you don't deserve. I mean, and

592
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: it is a truth around the world, around the globe.

593
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: And I have never in my life adhere to that truth.

594
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: And I won't. Yeah, and I won't and I won't.

595
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: No, you won't.

596
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, oh, this is bigger than me.

597
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: And I moved back from Atlanta. They ended up hiring me.

598
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: I got fired, but hired again because they really had

599
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: no cause. And I stayed there for about four or

600
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: five more months, and then I moved back to la

601
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: and my best friends like, you are militant. When did

602
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: you turn so militant? And I was like, I'm not militant.

603
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: I just realized I'm a black woman in America.

604
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Jesus and that's more true now than ever.

605
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: It's more true now than ever. And I had no idea.

606
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: I was running around for the bulk of my adult

607
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: life thinking life is good. I didn't know I was

608
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: life is great. I didn't know I was separate, separated

609
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: because in the world that we live in, you have

610
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: to work hard and you'll get ahead. And I did

611
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: those things. I put my head down, I did the work.

612
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: I was a good person, and I got ahead. My

613
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 2: skin color should not have mattered, but the world will

614
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: humble you. And when I was in Atlanta, they reminded

615
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: me that your skin color does separate. You are supposed

616
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: to act a certain way. At least that's their philosophy.

617
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 2: And I left, and I left. I say that all

618
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: the time. I was like the veil was lifted. I

619
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: was a virgin. I was so naive, I was so sweet.

620
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: And I left and I came back like, all right,

621
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm tired of this shit, you know what I mean.

622
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: I can't say angry, angry.

623
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: And they wonder why women are so angry. Oh God,

624
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: I was so angry because we're taught to be grateful,

625
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: to roll on your back, to take up less room,

626
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: to be less than everyone else, and we're like, you know,

627
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: I can relate as someone who sued their employer US Soccer. Yes,

628
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: And they were like, it's this, it's this vibe of oh,

629
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: if you don't want to do it for this much,

630
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: we'll find someone else. And finally we were like, well,

631
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: if we all fucking walk, they can't do anything.

632
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Amen, And we deserve the respect for putting in the

633
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: hours and doing the things the ten thousand hours to

634
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: be great, like, and I deserve my money.

635
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we constantly are paid less.

636
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: Constantly paid less, constantly.

637
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: This is wide open, and I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris.

638
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You know, you've worked for CNN

639
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: and ESPN. I have heard nothing but toxic cultures about

640
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: these places based on that exact topic money, money, yep,

641
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: and how they treat women horribly. And the second you

642
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: start to stand up for yourself, you're out the door

643
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: and they'll find someone else.

644
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: I was the first, I think Monday through Friday host

645
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: of First Take, and at the time it was Skip

646
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: Bayless and Steven A. Smith and it was the first

647
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Speaker 2: venture and I was in the middle seat, and I

648
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: really didn't know what my job was supposed to be.

649
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: The way it was described was that I was just

650
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: going to be the moderator, and you don't know what

651
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: that really entails. And I've spoken and I've talked about

652
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: this since I've left ESPN. Arguably the hardest job I

653
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: had ever had in my entire life. Surviving Surviving that

654
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: place is something that only the special people can do.

655
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: And if you're still there, it's because you understand the

656
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: assignment and you're not taking it personally and you know

657
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: how to move through the world. I was. It was

658
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: very clear that I was told not to talk. I

659
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: could just tee up the topics and let's give in

660
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: Steven a way out go at it. And they let

661
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: me know I was a rook in every possible way,

662
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: like for better or for worse, and I didn't expect

663
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: special special treatment. But they were mean now and it

664
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: was clear, and I had nowhere to go. I had

665
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: nobody to talk to. I often describe it as the

666
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: middle seat. When you're in the middle seat of an airplane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

667
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: It's the most uncomfortable position to be in life, and

668
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: also on the airplane. Yeah. I'll say two things, though,

669
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: I survived them, and that made me very proud of myself.

670
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: It made me proud of myself because I don't think

671
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: everybody could do that. I think that I made it

672
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: easier for Molly, even the woman who's hosting now, Molly

673
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: korerm I think I made it easier for her in

674
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: terms of I went through it first. But it was

675
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: a tough ask and we were always underpaid, and it

676
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: was always people telling us that we didn't deserve I

677
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: see it now, I'll watch I'm like, oh, they're miserable,

678
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: like not even miserable, but I can see that. Yes

679
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: we've made headway. Yes it's great women are in sports

680
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: and they're doing great things, but it is it has

681
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: always been a man's world. Like Steven Asmith's talking about

682
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: he wants one hundred million dollars because no woman could

683
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: ever say I want a hundred million.

684
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: Dollars, absolutely shamed and canceled, like who the fuck is

685
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: she to even say those things?

686
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: What woman could demand? I don't even I remember Candice

687
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: Parker saying when she was still playing and there was

688
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: free agency for the NBA, and she was like, listen,

689
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, and I'm jumping offline. I hope

690
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: the day comes when my daughter can turn down thirty

691
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: four million dollars a year, I hope the day comes.

692
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: It was something like, I forget the amount of money,

693
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: but she was just like, we don't have that luxury.

694
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: And to me, that's where the respect comes in, because

695
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: if you don't pay me like you pay them, you

696
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: can't respect me, right, you can't really truly respect me

697
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: if you don't pay me like you pay my mail counterpart.

698
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: Well, also, how do you show up and be your

699
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: full self when you know they're shrinking and minimizing you

700
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: the whole time and telling you yes and invertently you

701
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: should just be happy to be You should just got

702
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: you got our middle seat at the table, and you

703
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: shut your mouth and you be happy and grateful.

704
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was told day in and day out.

705
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: If it wasn't if I wasn't physically, if I wasn't

706
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: told that verbally, I was told that in a way

707
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: that I was treated, whether it be travel or what

708
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: have you. And whenever I would ask for my own

709
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: whenever I would ask for equity, it is like she's

710
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: been a problem. Here, she is being a problem. She's

711
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: always complaining. Here, she is being a problem and it's

712
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: so frustrating. And I'll tell you how you deal because

713
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: either you fight the good fight and then you take

714
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: a break. And then you fight the good fight and

715
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: you take a break. But my entire life in this

716
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 2: career that I have chosen is fight the good fight,

717
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: but then take a mental break, because it will break

718
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: you down. It will make you want to leave, it

719
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: will make you not want to be bothered. I think

720
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: that that's and I want to say, that's just what

721
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: it is, and it has to stay that way. But

722
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: you fight the good fight and then you take your breaks.

723
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: That's the only way you can literally leave this place

724
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: with some bit of sanity. Otherwise you're going to go crazy.

725
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: You're going to go crazy because people are going to

726
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: look at you like, why are you complaining? Why are

727
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: you asking for more? And I remember saying a couple

728
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: of things. Those two men or the hardest working men

729
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: I've ever met. They weren't mailing it in. They would

730
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: work all day out at steven A and Skip would

731
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: work all day every day. They were hard workers, which

732
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: in turn made me want to work hard. But the

733
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: level of an equity was so blatant and so humiliating,

734
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: so humiliating. There were times I'd be on air and

735
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: Skip would be like, shut up, we're not listening to her.

736
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: She's not like she's like fanning me off. And I

737
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: remember this looking at Steven A and seven A would

738
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: be like like kind of rolling his eyes because he

739
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: knows that Skip is is difficult. But it was his show, right,

740
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: it was Skip show, so we couldn't push the envelope.

741
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: And and and if you ask him about it, Skip

742
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: will say, well, we gave her a platform. Oh, we're lucky.

743
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: We get she's lucky. We gave her a platform. You're welcome, Carrie,

744
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: and I look espn thank you. I appreciate the platform.

745
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for giving me a platform.

746
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: No, but that's not Carrie, but exactly exactly, So don't

747
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: get it twisted.

748
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: Hey, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, thanks for that.

749
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: But I earned it. And I didn't just pop up

750
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: and people didn't just pay attention to me just because

751
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: I was sitting with you. I worked hard and you

752
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: know it, like, do not act like you just said

753
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: here you go and I just sat there. I was

754
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: worthy of all of that before I got there, and

755
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: when I arrived and it was so difficult because you

756
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: only had a few people who like supported you, and

757
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: they usually were brown women, Black and brown women who

758
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: supported you and they wanted you to really, really really

759
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: do well because they knew what it was like and

760
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: it was just a tough ask. But but Ashley, I

761
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: don't know about you. I was built for that. I

762
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: don't think we should have to do it, but I

763
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: was built for it. I don't think we should have

764
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: to do it.

765
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: No, I don't, and I don't think that we have

766
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: to constantly feel that we have to be that person.

767
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: I don't want my three year old daughter to look

768
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: at her two year old brother and be like, no

769
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: matter how hard I work to get a middle seat,

770
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: it will never be enough. Because this is the way

771
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: society views me, Like that's garbage. Name a man who

772
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: has won two World Cups, No, all the championships. It's

773
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: hard press and it's just not gonna happen.

774
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: They're getting investments to build whatever companies they want because

775
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: people were fans, Yeah, and they just wanted to sit around.

776
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: And to me, like, I think Steven's great, and he's right.

777
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: He's had for twelve years, he's had the best ratings

778
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: and number one, he deserves. He deserves it.

779
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: I have said that to him.

780
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: What but what about us? Why do we not.

781
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: Correct, deserve, correct.

782
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: What we're entitled to and the work we've put in

783
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: just because because.

784
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: We just I let me tell you something. I I

785
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: even I sent Steve and attack, I said, get your money.

786
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you. I really truly want to see

787
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: you get your money. That has nothing to do with me.

788
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: You deserve, get it all, run with it. You are,

789
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: you deserve it, You've owned it. But why is it

790
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: that we as women are constantly told what we don't

791
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: deserve every single day, in every possible way, every single day,

792
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: in every possible way. I don't I don't understand why

793
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: that is. I do understand now that this country is

794
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: more s exist. I believe that it is racist. I

795
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: do believe that now. I may change my mind a

796
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: month from now, But I know, I know that it

797
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: is you. To hear you complain we and not even complain,

798
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: to hear you demand what you deserve is very, very

799
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: familiar to me and every woman I know, no matter

800
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: who what you look like, blonde and beautiful, black and tall, Latin,

801
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: in this it is across the board. We feel unheard

802
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: and unseen in these spaces, especially in sports, and I

803
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: wish I knew when it could change. I just in

804
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: light of recent festivities and activities, I don't know if

805
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: that will ever change. But here's the problem. When women

806
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: do get in these positions of power, the few women

807
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: that I've seen in these positions of power, they don't

808
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: lift up. They they literally keep that they garnt the gate.

809
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: They don't want it. I'm talking about executives. Like the

810
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: people who made my life the most miserable were women executives.

811
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: And I'm all like, well, why are you doing this?

812
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: You had to go through the same thing I went through.

813
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: Why are you making this so difficult for me? You

814
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: had to fight, push and finally arrive. And then when

815
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: you arrive, you decide your gatekeeping who can come in.

816
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: Because we're brainwashed to think there's not enough chairs at

817
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: the fucking table. You're right, So instead of standing on

818
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: the backs of the women who have paved the way,

819
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: we stand on their fucking necks.

820
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: On their necks, and that is the problem.

821
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: Yes, it undermines every bit of our worth and who

822
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: we are. And then the second we say anything about it.

823
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: We're pegged to be these ungrateful, complicated humans when we're like,

824
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: we got bills to who you thinks?

825
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, get I don't know. There's no one

826
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: coming out of the corner just to pay all bills

827
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: for me. No thing, My bills are different. Yeah, I'm

828
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: paying the same. Were you interesting that you say that?

829
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: Because I had an agent who's like, you know, all

830
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: you have to do is just be nice, just be sweet.

831
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: You can get the job. That other stuff doesn't matter.

832
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Just be sweet, just be nice. I was like, I

833
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: am sweet. I am nice because I'm asking for them

834
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: to fly me the same classifying my colleagues, what about

835
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: me is not sweet or nice? Like? How do I

836
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: ask that question? Just to ask for what I want?

837
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: I just it's so it's so minimizing. And then and then,

838
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this, I think people

839
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: will sit around and say, well, why are they complaining.

840
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're not complaining. We're just talking about what

841
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: it is. But we made it so much better for

842
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: everybody coming behind us. I think about the WNBA. Do

843
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: you know, like what these women are about to experience?

844
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: How but they stand on the shoulders of so many

845
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: who experienced so less and got so much less. Of

846
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: course there's going to be a bit of resentment, not

847
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: towards them, but like.

848
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: The system, the system, system.

849
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: It's the system, and we have to change it. And

850
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how we do that. That's why it

851
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: get so incredibly frustrated. Yeah, it's so incredibly.

852
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: But you know what. The thing that we can stay

853
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: grounded and is we are not them. Yeah, we are

854
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: not like them. We lend a hand, We understand the

855
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: importance of making room at a table so we all

856
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: can be seen, and we value our walks, you know,

857
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: how we've moved in this world.

858
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I had to learn that really I wasn't like I

859
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: was brainwashed. When you use that word, I was thinking, Oh,

860
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: she's so right. I had to learn that I wasn't

861
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: friendly because I was taught that women were catty and

862
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: they weren't going to be my friend and they were

863
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: going to make my life miserable. So I had such

864
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: a guard up. And you know, and you know Jamal Hill,

865
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: we tell this story all the time. Jamel made it

866
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: a point to be my friend and to protect me

867
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: and to look out for me. And I was like, oh,

868
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: is this what this? Oh? Is this what this looks like?

869
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: If we all come together and we protect one another?

870
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: Is this what this looks like? Because my instinct was

871
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: to stay guarded because that's all I had known.

872
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: How could you not?

873
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: That's all I know? Because that's what they had told

874
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: me it was supposed to be. I was brainwashed. And

875
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: until now I'm all like, oh, you know, with my

876
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: foundation Brown Girls Dream, I give back and I'm all like,

877
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: this is what it's about. I feel so much better

878
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: when I am giving game and when I'm being kind

879
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: to other people. It's so much more freeing. And I

880
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: still look, well, we still come across those women who

881
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: don't want to help us, We still come across those

882
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: people who feel a way about us because they that's

883
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: on them and that's there and that's their shit. But

884
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: I my hope, and I don't have much hope right now.

885
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: How do you write this with you?

886
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: It's hard, Like, I mean, you caught me on a

887
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: time where I wish I could. I'm usually positivity plus,

888
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: and I don't have much hope right now, especially in

889
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: this country. But my hope is that when it's time

890
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: to fight again for the for the moral arc, of

891
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: society that I am suited and booted and ready to

892
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: do so. But right now I'm feeling real low. And

893
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: so I know, I know that we can make a

894
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: difference and change the way women are seen and treated,

895
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: but it's hard to feel that right now in this moment.

896
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: What gives me strength is especially being a queer woman

897
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: and what could be four years of absolute torture and

898
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: hell for our community. I do find hope in knowing that.

899
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: You know, when you think back to the women who

900
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: have paved the way, who have been the resistance, they

901
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: didn't get that overnight.

902
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, did not get.

903
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen.

904
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: You're right, keep telling me that.

905
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will be the resistance. I will be

906
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: I will fight for my people. I check every box.

907
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I have two black children, I'm a gay woman who

908
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: is from Florida.

909
00:45:53,160 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Honey, I'm gonna tell you, I think you first of all,

910
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: I love that I love your babies regardless of their color.

911
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: But you have signed up for a world of lessons

912
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: intentionally with so much love. And that's what it's about. Like,

913
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: that's what it should be about.

914
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: That means a lot to me.

915
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: That's what it should be about. It should be. It

916
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: should be like I want this I want this life, and.

917
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: I chose this life.

918
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: I chose this life. And more importantly, you know what

919
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: you what you already exemplify is that you're willing to

920
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: learn more. You're not like, live in my live in

921
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: my world and be like me. There's a world out

922
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: there that will see your son and daughter very differently,

923
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: and you are open to understanding what that means and

924
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: what that looks like for them and how they have

925
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: to process it and making them fully aware. And to me,

926
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: we're we're more likely, we're different in so many ways.

927
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's what that's what we should be

928
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: doing instead of separating ourselves. You know what I mean, it's.

929
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Having these conversations with people that don't look like us,

930
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: who maybe don't have the same opinions as us. Imagine

931
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: the compromise and compromise and understanding we would have if

932
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: we just took time to learn our neighbors.

933
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and without judgment.

934
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: There's no judgment.

935
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's what you got.

936
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: That's what my children have taught me. A see no color,

937
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: they see no gender, no sex, no nothing. They are

938
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: so pure, which is a huge responsibility of how we

939
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: choose and decide to raise them. My daughter tells me

940
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: all the time, Mama, why are you green?

941
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Are you green?

942
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: Because my tattoos? She thinks I'm green. She thinks I'm green.

943
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: She doesn't look at me. She's not like you're white,

944
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm brown. She has no idea and she always comes

945
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: home and she was like, yeah, I have a friend

946
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: who has two daddies, you know, like how I have

947
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: two mommies and it's just my child at three. There's

948
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: no hate, there's no this way or that way. Like

949
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: I know the task ahead of me in a world

950
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: that feels so dark right now. I have to teach

951
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: these children the light to be the change makers. You

952
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: and I were at very young ages. And it's like

953
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: for me, that is the greatest gift, the hardest thing

954
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I'll probably ever have to do, especially in this world.

955
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see when you have a children child

956
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: because I want I have children running around. They just

957
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: want joy that they just want love, and it is

958
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: my job to show them that life is so beautiful

959
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: and it comes in different shapes and colors, and we

960
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: don't judge people for that, and we bring joy and

961
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: kindness into the world, and they are going to be

962
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: privileged kids. There's no I don't have sure have to bullshit.

963
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: They will be they come from privilege, from extreme, extreme hardship.

964
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: You know.

965
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: The adoption process for me, once I sat in it,

966
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: it was so icky. It was it was just like

967
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: designer babies, this and that, And I'm like, I want

968
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: the hardest situations.

969
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: Don't bring me.

970
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't the child. I'm not choosing the child. The

971
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: child will choose mere correct. So I'm learning so much

972
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: of how I want to raise my children and empower them,

973
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: knowing their birth parents love them so much that they

974
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: rather give them a better life, and now they have

975
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: a choice what they want to do with that.

976
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful and like it wouldn't it be great if

977
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: everyone did that every wouldn't it be great?

978
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Hard?

979
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but we've been in this this cycle.

980
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: But I love the fact that you see that. And

981
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: if you're raising them like that, imagine what kind of

982
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: adults they'll be. And yes, life will give them their

983
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: different challenges, but imagine at their core what type of

984
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: adults they will be. I think I think one of

985
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: the things that I have a hard time with when

986
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: I and and this sounds like yes, and but I

987
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: have throughout my entire career when we talk about women

988
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: and how I've had to battle with women and that

989
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: weren't good humans and they're all they come, they come

990
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: in all different shape sizes than colors, but primarily it's

991
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: been white women. I've had such an uncomfortable work relationship

992
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: with white women that it made me so distrustful of them.

993
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: But the beauty, I think is that I was I'm

994
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: still able to see people as who they are, no

995
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: matter what their color is. So when I talked when

996
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: I like I love you, you're the best, I don't

997
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: even say white women. I don't because I see a

998
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: good person and I know your heart, and so I

999
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: have been I'm exercising my way out of judging a

1000
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: white woman in the workspace. Thank you for just or Sofia,

1001
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: just Sofia's look. I've been a fan of your girl

1002
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: friends before I even knew you. You were before you

1003
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: all even got together. But I loved how she showed

1004
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: up and she wanted to do the work, and she

1005
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: just has that heart. And I was like, I love this,

1006
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: I love this, I receive this, and where can we

1007
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: find more of this? How do we put all of

1008
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: that in the world right now? And I think of

1009
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: you raising these beautiful babies who see no color, who

1010
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: will be great humans, and that gives me hope, Like

1011
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: that gives me hope in this shitty ass world.

1012
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: But you just nailed it. You have to be open

1013
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: to receive. Yeah, Like that's it, That's it I have.

1014
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: And trust me, it took a long time to get here.

1015
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: I was open enough to receive the love I deserved. Mmmm,

1016
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: and she fell right into my lap. And I am

1017
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: not apologizing for that to anyone.

1018
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm at a phase in my life where I'm really, truly,

1019
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: really truly working on everything that I know. That limits

1020
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: my abundance, limits my growth, limits my ability to connect,

1021
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: and that requires me to be quiet sometimes, like you

1022
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: sit in quiet spaces, which I hate the ad D kicks. Yeah,

1023
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: it also requires me to reveal myself like you are

1024
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: a you are a seer, and so to sit across

1025
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 2: from you in this lovely show wide open, you see people.

1026
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: So if they come here and they pretend like you

1027
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: can't see through them, it's going to be really uncomfortable

1028
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: for them, and it's gonna make me Like I was,

1029
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: like moving my hands. I was like, oh, she's such

1030
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: a seer, Like, I gotta I gotta bring my whole

1031
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: heart today, I gotta tell truth for the f was like.

1032
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Fuck, I know I'm going.

1033
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: Through no and I and I in good for you

1034
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: because it's healing. Good for you.

1035
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: Thanks carry. I'll tell you what. That is the greatest

1036
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: gift you'll ever give to yourself because you receiving and

1037
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: you being open and vulnerable. You never know who's gonna

1038
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: knock on your door, you know what I mean? Like

1039
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: the greatest thing happened to me a year ago and

1040
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: the worst timing of my life. But I was still

1041
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: willing to be open and receive it, even though in

1042
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: moments I didn't think I deserved it.

1043
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: Amen. Oh gosh, I love that. Amen is everything. Yeah.

1044
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: Just I really feel that this version of yourself and

1045
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: who you're bringing so hard, what you put out is

1046
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: exactly what you attract, honey, And you are a good, smart,

1047
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: beautiful human who deserves the world and be open to it. Yeah,

1048
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: and O and receive the hell out of it.

1049
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: I receive it.

1050
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on this show. You

1051
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: have your own podcast. Please tell the listeners where to

1052
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: find you what. It's about what you're doing.

1053
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: It's great.

1054
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I want I mean not to I just want

1055
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: to tie it on a perfect bow about what you're

1056
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: doing right now.

1057
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: Naked Sports. It meets at the intersection of sports culture

1058
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: and politics at the beginning of the season, which is

1059
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: up available right now. I did them making of a

1060
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: rivalry Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese, but it was about

1061
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: how these two supernovas have really, for whatever reason, been

1062
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: chosen to put women's sports on the map. They have

1063
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: been chosen. It is their time. We don't know how

1064
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: it happened, but it has happened, and people are paying

1065
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: attention to the WNBA and women's sports in general in

1066
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: a way in which I have never seen before. They're

1067
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: buying WNBA teams that are valued at two hundred million

1068
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: starting And it has everything to do with one Kaitlin Clark,

1069
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: because of the way she's an excellent basketball player, but

1070
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: the way she plays the game. But the rivalry got interesting,

1071
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: or her story became more interesting when Angel Rees came in.

1072
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: You need a foe, people say, Larry Bird, Magic Johnston,

1073
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: you need a foil. You need somebody to create this

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00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: inertia because I'm paying attention. You had that when you

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: were playing, and there's storylines, and so now everyone's locked in.

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Speaker 2: And I just talked about what it means for these

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00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: two women. But I also don't lie from the fact

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00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: that it is is literally black versus white. It talks

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: about what America is made of. It talks about how

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00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: some people are using Caitlin Clark to co op their

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00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: own story slash narrative. And Angel was always going to

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: be a villain just because she was a tall black girl.

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: She didn't have a choice. She plays basketball and she

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00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: talks shit that's not allowed, which right, but that's not

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: allowed in this world. And these two ladies are changing

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00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: the way we consume sports because it's okay now to

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00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 2: talk shit, It's okay now to get in your face.

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Speaker 2: Y'all been doing it from you as an athlete, has

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: been doing it from day one. We should be allowed

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00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: to be athletes first, then women next. Don't judge me

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00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: for doing the same thing you applaud men for. You

1092
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: love a good rivalry with men. You love when Lebron

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00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: talks trash. You love when you know Dreymond gets in

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00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: someone's face. Why is this all of a sudden, so

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00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: damn offensive now and then from that point on we

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00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: have been able to take culture and politics and intersect

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: them in every way. So the first few six episodes

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Speaker 2: were about those two and then everything now on is

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00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: just about being naked and talking about sports, whether it

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Speaker 2: be Jerry Jones and his history and what he's doing

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00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: with his team, America's team, and what he actually represents

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Speaker 2: as an eighty six year old white man owning a

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Speaker 2: being a billionaire, being very progressive, but having a very

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Speaker 2: interesting past or it could be. We talked about the

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Speaker 2: election and what it looked like and what it means

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Speaker 2: for black women. I did a after the election. I

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Speaker 2: did a love letter to black women because they, you know,

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Speaker 2: ninety two percent voted for Kamala Harris and for many

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00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: reasons people can identify with. But it felt very personal.

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Speaker 2: It felt like it was a referendum on black women.

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00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: It felt like you didn't want black women to be

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: a part of this society. Yet we show up all

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00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: the time and we care and we care and we

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00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: love and we care and we love and we care,

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Speaker 2: and it's been that way since the beginning of time, right,

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00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: and so I just wanted to send this love letter

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Speaker 2: out these women to say you were loved, you are

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Speaker 2: seeing you are valued. Take your rest, but come back

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Speaker 2: better Tomorrow. We ride again.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow. Work does not stop.

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Speaker 2: The work does not stop.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for being here, Carrie.

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Speaker 2: I love you so much for.

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Speaker 1: So vulnerable and open.

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Speaker 2: Because it's not easy. Heart.

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Speaker 1: You can take a deep breath, but just know a

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Speaker 1: lay a laya, laya lay I love you too.

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Speaker 2: I love you too. Let me drink more.

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Speaker 1: Ah, I'll fill you up, Honny. Thanks everyone. Wide Open

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Speaker 1: with Ashland Harris is an iHeart women's sports production. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen Borca, Corell,

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Speaker 1: Emily Maronov, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from Malia Aguidello.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder and I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Ashlyn Harris