WEBVTT - “I’M STRANDED ON A BOAT”

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hi, how's life?

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<v Speaker 2>It's good?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm so happy I got through. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to talk so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>My name's Claire, Claire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what like the store Claire's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, like the store Claire. I actually love that store

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<v Speaker 3>growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Claire? How's life?

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<v Speaker 2>How?

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<v Speaker 1>How can I be be on the phone with you today?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would love to talk about what I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>through right now, and you are streaming and I'm currently

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<v Speaker 3>kind of instill a whole bunch of stuff. Sorry if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little bit shaky, I'm really excited to talk,

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<v Speaker 3>but I I So, I'm on a sailing journey right now,

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<v Speaker 3>my first sailing journey. I'm kind of I've been refitting

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<v Speaker 3>my boat for like two and a half years, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was finally good enough to like go in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of winter, like like two months ago, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I decided to just go and do it and figure

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<v Speaker 3>shit out as I go along. So I've been figuring

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<v Speaker 3>shit out as I go along and teaching myself to

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<v Speaker 3>sail and learning a whole bunch and it's actually been

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<v Speaker 3>really nice and like beautiful, and like there's been dolphins

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<v Speaker 3>and seashells, and it's me and my dog and I've

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<v Speaker 3>been having a great time. But like two nights ago,

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<v Speaker 3>I sunk. I half spunk my boat. I was I

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<v Speaker 3>was on a sand bar and my boat was completely

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<v Speaker 3>tilted to the side, and I woke up to like

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<v Speaker 3>water streaming in my windows and half my boat was

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<v Speaker 3>full of water and it was really scary and I

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<v Speaker 3>got out of that situation and I kind of got

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<v Speaker 3>to safety, but my boat literally like it was fucking

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<v Speaker 3>like filled with water. It was half flooded, and and

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<v Speaker 3>now I'm trying to figure out how to get out

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<v Speaker 3>of this. I've been trying for two days to get

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<v Speaker 3>my engine fixed, and I've gotten it fixed a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit and then it cuts out. And I'm currently fucking

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<v Speaker 3>like my engine cut out at like midnight last night,

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<v Speaker 3>and I drifted. I threw my anchor out real quick,

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<v Speaker 3>so luckily I didn't ground again. But I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just stranded in the water trying to troubleshoot shit, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've I've kind of got to the end of my

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<v Speaker 3>particular knowledge on things, and I'm trying to google and

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<v Speaker 3>get myself out of this situation. But it's crazy because

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's like only me who can get myself

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<v Speaker 3>out of this situation. And it's kind of terrified because

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know if I could do it or not.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm I'm struggling to understand a few things. Where

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<v Speaker 1>where are physically are you? Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in North Carolina?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're in North Carolina? And are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you? Where are you?

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<v Speaker 5>So?

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<v Speaker 3>I was traveling on the Inner Coastal Waterway, which is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like it's close to the ocean, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>like in the coast a little bit, and it goes

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<v Speaker 3>down pretty much from Norfolk, Virginia all the way to Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I've just been kind of traveling down

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<v Speaker 3>the Inner Coastal and that's where I grounded. On this

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<v Speaker 3>particular leg that I'm own right now, there's just no

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<v Speaker 3>anchor spots. It will be like twenty feet deep on

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<v Speaker 3>like a channel that's carved out, but on either side

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<v Speaker 3>of the channel is like like three four five feet,

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<v Speaker 3>which is which is why I grounded. So right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I drifted a little bit out of the channel and

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<v Speaker 3>I've like anchored myself just in the middle of the water,

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<v Speaker 3>like I can see there's land not too far from me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can't really get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you are on a boat right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm on my boat.

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<v Speaker 1>But you said the boat. The boat doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my boat the engine my engine cut out and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't My engine has been broken, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>quite sure what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, I'm stranded. I've been stranded for like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days. And yeah, every I don't have food.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything's wet. All my tools are wet, my bed is wet.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is like molding and rusting.

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<v Speaker 4>As we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Claire?

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<v Speaker 1>Claire? So you are on but do you do you

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<v Speaker 1>see any land around you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's land around me, there's I see houses. So

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<v Speaker 3>in case of emergency, I could like get to land.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a dingy, which is a small boat, but

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<v Speaker 3>I only have paddles and there's high winds right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just I can't really paddle very well, and

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<v Speaker 3>my dingy takes on water. So if the winds died down,

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<v Speaker 3>I could get to land and go through people's houses

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<v Speaker 3>and try to get somewhere. But it doesn't really solve

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that my boat is still here and still broken.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you you are not like in immediate danger

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<v Speaker 1>right now, are you of like being like no, lot,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been like like like drowning it in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not taking on water and I'm not an

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<v Speaker 3>immediate danger. I threw my anchor out, and there's land

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<v Speaker 3>just over here. If I have to get to it,

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<v Speaker 3>I can call somebody to pick me up. It's fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars, which I don't have, so I could call people.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also people who drive their boats cross across the

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<v Speaker 3>inner coastal, so if I need to, I can also

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<v Speaker 3>flag people down to get a ride into land. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in like any immediate danger. I'm just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of trying to figure out how to get myself out

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<v Speaker 3>of the situation. But I'm pretty stable.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Uh, why don't you call somebody for help.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I have I have a boat tow USA thing,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like free towing, but because I grounded and

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<v Speaker 3>took on water, they don't cover free toes anymore, and

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<v Speaker 3>so help would be at the very minimum fifteen dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>they told me, and it can go up as much

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<v Speaker 3>as like ten grand, depending on what I need and

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<v Speaker 3>where I need to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>So so, okay, you are in a boat, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you charge your phone? And shit?

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<v Speaker 3>I have solar panels which charge my batteries and it

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<v Speaker 3>charges my phone and like puts life to all my boats.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do have I have like my phone, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have lights, and I have batteries and stuff and

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't get too damaged in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to I'm just trying to get like a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of your surroundings right now, Like how far away,

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<v Speaker 1>Like could you swim to where the land is?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it just some land?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess swim It's not super closed, but like

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<v Speaker 3>it's there's people's backyards. Maybe I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>gauge distances, but like I can see the stripes on

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<v Speaker 3>their American flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm curious again how you got into this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you been at sea for?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been traveling down the Inner coastal for two months now,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like, I'm not like.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Fairly proficient, not super super proficient, but I refit. I

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<v Speaker 3>bought this sailboat like two and a half years ago

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<v Speaker 3>and I've done a total refit. So I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>know a singer two about a singer singer two. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I got into it because I've been traveling

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<v Speaker 3>and then I grounded, and when tide went out, that's

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<v Speaker 3>when the water came in, and that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>started this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, Well, how has it been traveling for the past

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<v Speaker 1>two months? Have you been, like, is it been lonely

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<v Speaker 1>at your You're literally alone at sea. That's like the

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<v Speaker 1>most uh isolating thing you could do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been going. I've actually I've had a really

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<v Speaker 3>nice time. I was really scared because I bought my

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<v Speaker 3>boat two and a half years ago, and I bought

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<v Speaker 3>it thinking I would just go off into the grade unknown,

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<v Speaker 3>go to the Caribbean or whatever, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>accidentally have put two and a half years of my

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<v Speaker 3>life into this thing because shit just keeps breaking and

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<v Speaker 3>I just keep having to fix it. So I was

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<v Speaker 3>really scared when I started this journey that I would

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<v Speaker 3>get on the boat after spending two and a half

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<v Speaker 3>years of my life on this and hate it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of too, It's twofold. I've been having a really,

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<v Speaker 3>really nice time I have my dog with me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've just been like, I have to bring him to

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<v Speaker 3>shore all the time, so I like I get to

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<v Speaker 3>explore beaches, and I've been meeting lots of really nice people.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been having a lot of really cool experiences. I

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<v Speaker 3>will say that I was kind of hoping to meet

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<v Speaker 3>more people my own age and like party a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit and like have that sort of vibe. And most

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<v Speaker 3>of the people I've been meeting have been like older

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<v Speaker 3>or like not quite my vibe, so I haven't really

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<v Speaker 3>found my people yet. But it's been really nice spending

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<v Speaker 3>time with myself and being happy with myself, because like

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<v Speaker 3>in everyday life, I really distract myself and I look

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<v Speaker 3>at my phone all the time and I listen to

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<v Speaker 3>podcasts and I don't give myself like a spare minute

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<v Speaker 3>to think or be or exist. And it has unexpectedly

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<v Speaker 3>been really nice getting to know myself and relying on

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<v Speaker 3>myself and knowing that I'm the only person who can

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<v Speaker 3>get myself out of a situation. I've liked that.

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<v Speaker 1>How old are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty seven And when you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say most people, well, I guess a few questions. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you exactly meeting these people and what is it

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<v Speaker 1>about them that makes you say that they're not your vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not that they're my vibe. I've actually had,

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<v Speaker 3>like I've had a lot of really genuine relationships with

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<v Speaker 3>people who are kind of outside of people I would

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<v Speaker 3>normally hang out with, because, like I mean, I would

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<v Speaker 3>normally hang out with like just young creative people, like

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<v Speaker 3>artsy kids and like like hippie circles and stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>my normal friend groups. And the people I meet a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of old dudes, which is like good and bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people are really freaking creepy, especially to like a

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<v Speaker 3>young woman doing this by herself. I've had a love

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<v Speaker 3>like creeps, but I've also like made really genuine friendships

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<v Speaker 3>with just people worlds away from me that I would

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<v Speaker 3>never have the chance, Like I met, I pulled into

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<v Speaker 3>this marina one time to like outweigh there was a

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<v Speaker 3>storm coming, so I pulled into this marina and it

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<v Speaker 3>was in the middle of nowhere, like I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was abandoned, and there just happened to be this retired

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<v Speaker 3>New York taxi driver who had like the thickest New

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<v Speaker 3>York accent ever, and he like just bought that Marina

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<v Speaker 3>and recently divorced, and just he was telling these crazy

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<v Speaker 3>stories about being a midnight taxi driver in New York,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, I would have no other reason to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to this man at the grocery store, but because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in need and trying to down this storm, I've

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<v Speaker 3>met this man in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was just such a giguine interaction that I

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<v Speaker 3>never would have had otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet building, you know, I think that a very rich

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<v Speaker 1>life is filled with a lot of those moments where

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a weird situation meeting a person that you

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<v Speaker 1>just never would have come across in your daily life.

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<v Speaker 3>No, definitely, and this this lifestyle has been really good

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<v Speaker 3>for that because like it's like I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in a constant stage of like kind of vacation mode

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm just like ready for like any like weird

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<v Speaker 3>thing to come my way. But I'm also like in

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<v Speaker 3>need a lot, Like I'm in need of a run

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<v Speaker 3>to the grocery store, or I'm in need of like

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<v Speaker 3>safety from a storm, or I'm in need of help

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<v Speaker 3>with a repair, And that kind of motivates me to

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<v Speaker 3>like ask around and like create these connections that I

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<v Speaker 3>normally wouldn't have, and it's just brought like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of really cool things into my life that way. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of shy normally. I guess like it's I'm talkative,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's hard for me to like just create connections

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<v Speaker 3>like in the wild. But I've been happy that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been able to do that because of the circumstances. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm own on this boat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, Uh what So I was wondering, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you meeting all these people because you're on a boat?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like where are you normally docking this thing?

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<v Speaker 3>There's like so the inner coastal, there's like there's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like hubs. It goes all the way down the coast,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, from Virginia or maybe even before Virginia, all

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<v Speaker 3>the way down to Florida, and there's kind of like hubs,

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<v Speaker 3>like I think Savannah, Georgia is a hub, and like

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<v Speaker 3>like Saint Augustine is a hub. And there's different cities

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<v Speaker 3>along this way, and the cities are kind of built

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<v Speaker 3>around the fact that they're owned the inner coastal. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's tons of merry time and there's there's lots of

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<v Speaker 3>boat people, so I've made I met these people. Whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I anchor or like pull in, I'll pull into a

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<v Speaker 3>free dock occasionally, or I'll anchor out and then I'll

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<v Speaker 3>go into the city and I meet these people because

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<v Speaker 3>both people are really friendly and usually they would have

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<v Speaker 3>seen like either like what happened with the marina with

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<v Speaker 3>Joe the New York bus driver, Like I was directly

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<v Speaker 3>pulled up at his place and needed help from him,

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<v Speaker 3>so I went and like started that conversation. But I've

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<v Speaker 3>met people at like other places because I've like anchored

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<v Speaker 3>and then come in and needed something, needed help, needed groceries,

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<v Speaker 3>needed to find resources, or they've seen me pull up

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<v Speaker 3>in my boat and they just come up to me

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<v Speaker 3>and like start and I have a dog and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and so like people will just come up to me

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, hey, I just saw you anchor there,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what's your deal? Like are you by yourself or

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing right now? So people have like people

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<v Speaker 3>have kind of come up to me more so than not.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of dog do you have with you?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a boykned spaniel. His name is du Radley.

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<v Speaker 1>He's super cute, And how do you like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have money? How do you like afford food and dog

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I I left right after I got my tax return,

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<v Speaker 3>so I got like fourteen hundred dollars that I've been

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<v Speaker 3>living off of, and I'm almost out of money, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why I can't really call for helpering. I

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<v Speaker 3>got like three hundred dollars left, so I've kind of

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<v Speaker 3>been living off my tax return. But it's lasted a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I have I got food.

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<v Speaker 3>I got in food stamps before I left, so I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't had to pay for food, and I make my

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<v Speaker 3>own electricity, I get water for free. I'm pretty self

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<v Speaker 3>reliant apart from a couple of beers when I come

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<v Speaker 3>into shore and parts and stuff. So it's been all right.

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<v Speaker 1>How long had you planned on sailing for.

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<v Speaker 3>When I left. I've never really had much of a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>I've just I like quit my job, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>that I want to make it to like the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, and like, honestly, like someday i'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to go like really really far. But I knew that

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be like a learning experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't sure if I'd make it to the Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 3>or if I would just make it a couple miles away.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't really sure what would happen, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have much of a plan going into it other than

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<v Speaker 3>just go south and see what happens. With everything that's

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<v Speaker 3>happened now, I live in the Outer Banks and I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of like, I have people that I

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<v Speaker 3>know that I can call for help there. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think my plan now is to try to get my

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<v Speaker 3>boat going and then try to get back to the

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<v Speaker 3>Outer Banks and fix a lot of stuff has been broken.

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<v Speaker 3>I've lost all my tools and my fridge and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff is broken right now, so I need

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<v Speaker 3>to go fix stuff again.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to do about this engine thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not exactly sure because I actually I just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of got to before you called. I have been I've

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<v Speaker 3>been working all day on it, and I just got

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of the end of my own personal knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>of how things work. So my next steps I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go on sailing forums. There's a lot of really

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<v Speaker 3>good information in sailing sailing forums, and I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 3>at my manual and I'm gonna see if there's more

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<v Speaker 3>trouble shooting things that I could do that I haven't yet.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be it could be like a million things

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<v Speaker 3>going on right now with the salt water.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, what's to deal with? Like your friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>are they like concerned about you being out at sea?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like? What do you what did you leave behind?

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<v Speaker 3>I was living with my parents.

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<v Speaker 4>I moved.

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<v Speaker 3>I moved from Nashville, where I had a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of friends and big friend group and stuff. And I

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<v Speaker 3>moved from Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought this boat.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of I had like a little bit of like

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<v Speaker 3>a mid twenties crisis sort of thing, or I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what I was doing with my life. So I

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<v Speaker 3>just bought this boat, and I was like, fuck it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do this for a while. So I've been living

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<v Speaker 3>with my parents while I've been refitting this boat for

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<v Speaker 3>two years now, and they generally have a lot of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually I when I first, like when I first

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<v Speaker 3>learned what sailing was, I was kind of like being

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<v Speaker 3>like a hippie and just doing like traveling stuff. And

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<v Speaker 3>I had ended up on boats in Florida and I

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<v Speaker 3>was lost at sea for or kind of quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>lost at sea for a couple of days. My parents

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.359
<v Speaker 3>thought I was lost at sea, and like the coast

0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 3>guard was like looking for me, and it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a really scary incident. And so my parents when I

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<v Speaker 3>decided to do this again except by myself, they have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of anxiety about it, and I feel bad

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<v Speaker 3>about that. And and my dad's grandfather was a merchant

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<v Speaker 3>mariner and he was lost at sea when my dad

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<v Speaker 3>was like twelve, so my dad knows what it's like

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<v Speaker 3>to have a close family member be lost at sea.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do feel a lot of guilt about doing

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<v Speaker 3>that to them, But at the same time, like I

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<v Speaker 3>want to do this because I just want to know

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<v Speaker 3>what's out there and what this lifestyle has to offer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wish that they took it better, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can't really hold myself back for that. And then my

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<v Speaker 3>friends are pretty supportive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, that's a tough thing to kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're like lucky enough to have a good

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with your parents, like kind of the line between,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to be around my folks and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to worry them, but you also have

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<v Speaker 1>to go and live your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and yeah, and it sucks because it's like this

0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.439
<v Speaker 3>is more so than like they're just really like sweet

0:21:53.560 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 3>conservative Christians, like wholesome family, and I feel I feel bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I got tattoos and it made them like upset,

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.159
<v Speaker 3>but it was kind of like, fuck, it is my body.

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<v Speaker 3>I can get tattoos, but this one does make me

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<v Speaker 3>feel a lot of guilt because it's like it really

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<v Speaker 3>is a life or death sort of thing. Like if

0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 3>the silver lining to what happened when I sank was

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 3>my windows leaked, and a sailboat supposed to be a

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 3>completely enclosed vessel, I should be able to go upside

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<v Speaker 3>down underwater and be able to like right myself. And

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<v Speaker 3>I learned when I ground it, and luckily I was

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground, so I wasn't gonna lose my whole boat.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I learned was that my windows leaked to

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<v Speaker 3>the point where it filled my boat completely, and my

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 3>bilge pumps, which pumped the water out of my boat,

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 3>my bilge pumps would not keep up. So if this happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Even even if this happened, like if I was in

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<v Speaker 3>ten feet of water, I would lose my boat. If

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 3>this happened in twenty feet of water. If I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have land access, like it could be deadly. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's very real shit out here, even though I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>in the ocean right now, it's very real shit that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you staying safe?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Staying staying safe.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's why I'm on the inner coastal and

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 3>not like in the ocean, because I didn't know how

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 3>to sail like going into this, and so the inner coastal,

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 3>you're always in sight of land, like sometimes it can

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<v Speaker 3>be farther than others, but I'm always going to be

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<v Speaker 3>inside of land at any given moment. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a step towards just getting to where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like more comfortable. And these things do happen, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>no matter how hard you try to be safe. But

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<v Speaker 3>I have been. I have been like pretty safe throughout

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<v Speaker 3>my journey, and I have like a garment and many

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 3>reach that can like syntext even from Antarctica, and me

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and the dog we always have our life jackets own

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<v Speaker 3>even if there's no wind. So I try to do

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<v Speaker 3>my best, and I feel kind of stupid for what

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.640
<v Speaker 3>happened I'm trying to beat myself up too much about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but there it was. Yeah, it I It maybe could

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<v Speaker 3>have been prevented if I had just done a couple

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 3>of things. But I'm I'm trying my best to stay

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<v Speaker 3>safe and do it, do it the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take some questions from the chat the twitch

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<v Speaker 1>chat if you if you want to take some questions

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<v Speaker 1>for from the twitch chat, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Also can I say, well, never mind, no, keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, what were you gonna what were you gonna say?

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead? Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna mention the fact that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the rattlesnake dude from earlier. I actually know him. He's

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<v Speaker 3>like a friend of my brothers, and he helped me

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<v Speaker 3>when I was like lost at sea. He helped find me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like I was I was, I was with

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who I didn't say that I was with, which

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 3>is why I was thought to be lost. But like

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 3>my brother knew this guy in a completely different state

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 3>who knew the guy that I was with, and like

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 3>was able to find me. So I just thought it

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 3>was funny that you mentioned the rattlesnake dude who got

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<v Speaker 3>bit in the helicopter I thought it was funny that

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned that earlier, because that's interesting. That's my dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here. Oh well, somebody asked, do you have

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>any pets on the boat? She says she had a dog.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>He pees on the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone said, what is your financial plan moving forward?

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<v Speaker 3>My financial plan if this didn't happen, I kept going south.

0:25:54.320 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>My financial plan was to stop at port cities and

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<v Speaker 3>see if I could get work at boat yards doing

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 3>like painting and like or like fiberglass repair, or like

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 3>just doing like little jobs for like a week and

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<v Speaker 3>getting a chunk of money and then keep going with

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 3>that money. But my plan now that all this stuff

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 3>is broken and I definitely need to do some repairs,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go back to the outer Banks and I

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<v Speaker 3>have a job waiting for me there that I can

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<v Speaker 3>get again, and I'm gonna make a big chunk of change,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'm gonna after hurricane season in the fall,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna try to go to the Caribbean again, I think.

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 3>But big chunks of change is how I plan to

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<v Speaker 3>make my money.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here, what have you been doing for food

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<v Speaker 1>since being stranded? Like, have you're not eaten for two days.

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<v Speaker 3>I I have a couple like snacks I have like pistachios,

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<v Speaker 3>and like canned soup. I've eaten those a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but honestly, like I haven't out of prescription, I've been

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 3>eating adderall to try to solve my problems and get

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff done because I've been doing boat repair

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 3>for two days and like, food is the least of

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 3>my concerns right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye yeah, yeah, no, adderall will curb your appetite for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm good. Also, I picked up after I sink.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I went got a pack of cigarettes,

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<v Speaker 3>which was like my first pack in a year and

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<v Speaker 3>a half. But I've been like adderall and chainsmoking cigarettes

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<v Speaker 3>and that has fueled me. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here. Do you ever take the dog for

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<v Speaker 1>a walk?

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Actually I was taking He wasn't peeing on the boat

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 3>for like the past two months. He wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Dogs are on sailboat.

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Dogs are supposed to pee like on the boat on

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 3>the top, and bou Radley was not teeing up on

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 3>top like he was supposed to, and it's been freaking

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 3>me out. I usually get close enough to land that

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.959
<v Speaker 3>I can just take my little dinghy onto the beach

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and I take him for like a really long fetch

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 3>walk once or twice a day, depending on.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Where I'm at.

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 3>So that's how he's been going. And when this first happened,

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>I was freaking out because he was whining and having

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 3>so much anxiety, and like I knew he had to

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 3>go potty and I couldn't get to land, and I

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 3>was freaking out. But then he went on deck and

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 3>peed for the first time, and I lost my shit.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 3>I was so excited. And now he peees on deck

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's like it's it's just such a blessing through

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 3>this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone asked if you ever gone fishing on the boat.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have a fishing line that I troll from it.

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 3>I haven't. I caught something on the line a couple

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 3>days ago, but I forgot to stop. I forgot to

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 3>stop my motor when I was reeling it in. My

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 3>dad said it was probably a trout because they're like

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 3>soft mouth, but it pulled off my line. I was

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 3>so pissed. But I really I haven't caught a fish yet,

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 3>but I try and I really want to.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're keeping in touch with your parents on the

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>phone while you're doing all this ship.

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been calling them like constantly.

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, good, good good. Let's let's see here. Well, Claire,

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>this will certainly being a fascinating phone call. Are you

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna be okay? I feel like I'm leaving you stranded

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>on a boat. I mean, I can't really do anything

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to help you. I guess con veil the boat with me.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Where's the boats in North Carolina?

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina? I catch a fly.

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Where you live?

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I'm I'm around, I'm in, I'm in. Uh, I'm

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>in places.

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, you're You're good. I I have figured out.

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 3>I have been confronted by many a proper in my

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>past two and a half years of refitting my boat,

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and this one's different because I am fairly stranded and isolated.

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 3>But in two and a half years, I've been the

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>only person to solve my problems, and I have solved

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 3>every problem. And I have full confidence that whatever is

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 3>going on, I will solve this problem and get out

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 3>of it. And if for some reason I can't, I'm

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 3>gonna hail down these people. I'm on the inner coastal

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 3>and there's fishing boats that go past me. So if

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 3>at all, if I can't, then I'm gonna hail down

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 3>a ship until they bring me to safety. So regardless

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 3>of what happens, I will be safe and the dog.

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you one more question? Yeah, why do

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>you say on like that?

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Because my mom's from My mom's from Alabama, but like

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>we were raised in Virginia, so I have like a

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 3>I kind of have like a like Virginian or like

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 3>people tell me I saw like Valley Girl or something,

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 3>but I have I don't have this Southern accent, but

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>my mom has a Southern accent, so I've picked up

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 3>like suits certain words of Southern accent. But I don't

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 3>say everything like that. I don't know why you like

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 3>I own something.

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, Well stay stay safe, don't don't do

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>any crazy stuff. Thanks for sharing your story. Is there

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>anything else you want to say to the people of

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the computer before we go?

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Is there a way I've been documenting my like journey

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 3>on like Instagram and TikTok? Can I can I share

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 3>my platform?

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Is that? Alright?

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 5>Sure?

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Where?

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>What's uh? What's up?

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 3>It's okay, thank you, It's Salt Water Fairy, but it's

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 3>spelled like f A E R I E, like in

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.479
<v Speaker 3>like a fairy tell fairy sort of way.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, salt water fay re f.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 3>A yeah, r I E. Yeah, just saltwater fairy, but

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 3>like spelled a little bit different.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>But no, no, that's great.

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>But I've just been like trying to document shit.

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<v Speaker 1>No under periods or sixty nine's or x'es or anything.

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 3>No, pretty straightforward.

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Rock and roll. Claire the saltwater Fairy. Yeah, it's me

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>cool man. Well, thanks for calling and Sharon and good.

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope you don't die at sea.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 4>I hope so to.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for talking. This was awesome. I'm

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 3>so glad I got in touch.

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Have a good day you too, You too, Claire. Bye, bye,

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>okay bye. Should I be concerned? I feel like that

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was that was I can't tell if she's fine or

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>if that was concerning. I mean, I guess I don't

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>know what I can do. I can't. I'm not the

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 1>guy to call. I'm not I'm one of the worst

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>people on the planet to call. If you're in a

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>sailboat and your engine doesn't work, I'm I'm towards the

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>bottom of the list of calls to make in that situation.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>So I hope she finds someone to help to get

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to get the boat to work. But that was a

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>good call. Thank you for sharing. Claire.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Hi, Hello, what's up?

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Not a whole lot. I'm a gecko and I'm talking

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to people on the phone, and I saw that you

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk on the phone, so I figured maybe

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>we could talk on the phone.

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Something that I was thinking about because I'm here

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>at work is the fact that I used to have

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 2>crippling agoraphobia and now I have a job and kind

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>of have a house and I have pets and life

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>isn't as shitty.

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>That's great. I love stories of life not being as shitty.

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Those are my favorites.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how does how does one kind of have

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a house? What does that look like? Well?

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I live in a trailer and it's my boyfriend's mom's trailer,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and she lived there with a really shitty dude and

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>then she broke up with him, and then she's like,

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to get out of here. I don't want

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 2>to live in this place anymore. Give it to my boyfriend.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 2>And then a couple of years later, I met my

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend and I just kind of moved in one day.

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, pretty cool. Do you do you do you pay rent?

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you and your boyfriend like, uh, kind of split it?

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Or is he just let you crash?

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So we don't pay rent, but we pay a lot rent.

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>So like since his mom owns the house, we don't

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 2>have to pay off the house. But trailer parks are

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 2>a scam. So as long as you have a house

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 2>in the trailer park, then you have to pay for

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>the land it's on even if you own the house.

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>So we pay for the renting of the land.

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Basically that makes sense. I will it isn't that kind

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of what you're always doing. I guess when you have

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>like a house or some shit, what's a can I

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>ask you what what's the cost for land with a trailer? Like,

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the payment.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>In Metro Detroit, Michigan. It's like seven hundred dollars a month, which, yeah,

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not terrible. It's like a unit apartment if you

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 2>think about it, and it has three bedrooms and two baths,

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 2>and but the thing is what sucks is is if

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 2>something happens, then we kind of have to take care

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>of it because you know, it's not like we have

0:35:54.960 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 2>a landlord. So our roof was like, yeah, hold on you.

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Your your trailer is three bedrooms? Yeah, how big is this?

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>It's a.

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a double wide whatever that means.

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:13.240
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? A double?

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>So there, so there are three How big are these bedrooms?

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, our bedroom is probably the size of like a

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>small unit apartment. It's pretty big, and it has like

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a bathroom attached to it with like a bathtub that

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>has jets in it in a shower, and then the

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>other two bedrooms are just like normal size bedrooms. I

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>can't really think of dimensions, but yeah, I mean it's

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>not bad at all.

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Sounds that sounds fucking sick. I can't even I'm literally

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to like picture what this looks like. And this

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>is something you can like like does it move, Like,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>can you drive it?

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's called a mobile home because they put

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 2>them on the back of the trailers and then take

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>it and put it somewhere. So it's like a manufactured

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 2>home that can be moved. So if we wanted to move,

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 2>like if we bought a plot of land, we could

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>pick up the house and move it there. But we

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>can't just like drive off of the property, if that

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>makes any sense.

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And what do you do with the other two bedrooms?

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>One of them is what we call the gamer room,

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>so we have like a projector in there that we

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 2>watch movies and I'll play like Stardoo Valley on. And

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 2>then the other room I keep my two pet rats

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>in there, so they have their own bedroom.

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Bro, you have a room for your rats. Yes, what's

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the rat room look like? Do they have like rat

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>furniture and a rat bed?

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 2>No, I would love to do that, though. I did

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>build them like a little castle out of cardboard boxes,

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't look like a castle. It just kind

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 2>of looks like cardboard boxes. And they have a four

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>leveled cage in the corner the room, and I made

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 2>them like a little ball pit using pom poms, and

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I put treats in them, and they like go on

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the ball pit and I look for treats. They like

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to shit everywhere and like crawl on the floor and

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>then they go back in their little cage and like

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 2>eat stuff.

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Dude, this trailer sounds sick. Do you guys have like

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 1>a kitchen and living room and everything? Yeah?

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Kitchen yep, has a gas stove which is pretty nice

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>in a pretty decently sized living room. There's a lot

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of windows, which is nice because I have a lot

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.280
<v Speaker 2>of plants because my job involves plants, so I'm always

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 2>taking plants home so they don't die because of the windows.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's pretty cool, dude, Hell.

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what so? Okay, so you used to be a

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 1>gore phoback and where where were you living before you

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>went into this trailer.

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I was living with my mom and I lived there

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 2>until I was twenty one. I tried to go to college,

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>but I dropped out because I had a panic attack

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I can't do this anymore, went

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.919
<v Speaker 2>back to my mom's house, never left my bedroom. Really,

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really like to interact with people or anything

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 2>like that. So it wasn't until I turned twenty one

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that I actually got a job and was like I

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 2>can do it because all of the other jobs I had,

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I had a panic attack and I quit suddenly. So

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, well, I'm just kind of fucked

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>for now, but then I was unfucked.

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>How did you become unfucked? Like, what do you think

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it was that got you to a place where you

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't having panic attacks? Anymore.

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:49.959
<v Speaker 2>I had a really nice therapist, God bless her soul.

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:57.399
<v Speaker 2>She was great. And then my boyfriend. I started going

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to his house all the time because like aguoraphobia, it's

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 2>not exactly like you're afraid to leave your house for everybody.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 2>For me, it was I don't want to do anything

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>outside of my bedroom. I don't have to because the

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>idea of having a panic attack in public is like debilitating.

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 2>But I would go to his house and he was

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>working on a worm farm and I needed someone to help,

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 2>like staple cups with mesh in them to put the

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>worms in. And it was like every Sunday, and I

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, I can do that. Can you draw

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>me a map of what the place looks like so

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I know what to expect before we go in there.

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 2>So he drew me a map and I was like, okay,

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>what's everybody's name? Okay, when do you go on lunch?

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>So like having a set plan, knowing what I was

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>going to do, and like the predictability of it is

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>what kind of made me realize like, oh I can

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>do that. That's not too terrible. So I stapled cups

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>at a worm farm.

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Pretty good? Pretty good? What did you What did your

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>therapists tell you that like help you out.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 2>She's had a lot of shit, but the one that, like,

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that stuck with me the most is

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>feel the fear and do it anyways, because you know,

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>you can't really do anything in life if you're afraid

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>to do anything in life. So if anything was like

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>really scary, I was like, Okay, well I'm going to

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 2>have to do it anyways at some point, so might

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>How old do you know?

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm twenty four?

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And what now that you've like conquered some fears in

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>your life already, what what fears do you have next

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that you want to conquer?

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>One that I conquered recently was the last job I had.

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 2>The company got like repoded by the bank. So we

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 2>were told the month in advance, which is like a

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>good amount of time but still a month in advance,

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that we wouldn't have our jobs anymore. And I was like,

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 2>that was the first real job that I got by myself.

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 2>So I was like terrified that I wouldn't be able

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to find another job with people that I like and

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But then I ended up finding a

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>company in Michigan that did exactly what I used to do,

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>which is like a really niche job, and now I'm here,

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I'm just kind of taking it one thing

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 2>at a time. So the idea of being here is

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 2>still a little bit scary, but I'm doing it, you know,

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:42.879
<v Speaker 2>pretty good?

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Pretty good? And how's your relationship with your boyfriend going?

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Can you say that again? I'm sorry?

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, how's your relationship with your boyfriend going?

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Good? We met when I was nineteen, so we've been

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 2>together for five years. We've had a lot of problems

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>in the road. He struggled with addiction and now he's

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>working on it and our relationship couldn't be any stronger.

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he meant proposed to me this year too,

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty cool.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh and his like addiction problems better, Yes, very much.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 2>So he struggled a lot with porn addiction, which is

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>really common but not really talked about. And yeah, I

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 2>don't really necessarily know like what's so different for him, honestly,

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 2>but he's been doing a lot better.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>That's so funny because when you said addiction, I thought

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it was like pills or something like that.

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely the first thought. Yeah, it

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>was porn, and I struggled with addiction too, but it

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>was you know, it was like xanax and stuff. So yeah,

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>not exactly the first thought that comes to people's mind.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Porn addiction is definitely funnier than pill addiction.

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now that like I look back on it, I'm like,

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I definitely was like screaming and crying for nothing because

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's just like when you look back

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 2>on stuff, it just doesn't hit the same as it did.

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 2>But when I first found out about everything, I felt

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 2>like the world was gonna end and that I was

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna die.

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm curious when you I mean, I guess this

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>is your boyfriend's stuff, so but fucking like, like, what

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>is porn addiction? Right? Like? What how much porn until

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>we're addicted?

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 2>For him, it was okay. Well, the way I found

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 2>out is one night we were laying in bed and

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I always show him like funny Instagram videos that I

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 2>would say throughout the day, and he would show me

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>his YouTube reel and he was showing me some of

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 2>his YouTube reels and then he got a notification saying

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like your only Fans subscription has ended, and I was like, hey,

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that's not cool. We promised that we wouldn't be like

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>paying for that kind of content and anything that we

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 2>were doing, we would be open to each other about And

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 2>then I started crying, and then he kind of started

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>freaking out because I started to have a panic attack,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and then he just dumped everything onto me. He said

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:33.839
<v Speaker 2>that he had been like paying for only fans and

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>like messaging people online through Reddit and stuff like that,

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and then at one point I blocked all those things

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>so he couldn't get access to them anymore, and then

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>he found a way around it. He used his iPad

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to like download Tinder and Bumble, and he used those

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>apps to talk to women and like exchange nudes. And

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>then I found out about that because he got an

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>email about like a dating service, and I was like, heyo,

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I thought we weren't going to do that. But since

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 2>that second time, he's been like really transparent, Like we

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I came up with this thing like after if you

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 2>do anything, you have seventy two hours to tell me

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>what you did before I'm like, okay, we got to

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>do something about this, so if anything ever did come up,

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>he would tell me within three days. And that transparency

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 2>made things a lot easier.

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 1>So this wasn't this isn't just like watching porn hub

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>for five hours a day. It was like, uh, spend

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:43.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money and shit and like, I mean

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the tender bumble thing is interesting, and then and then

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>like how did you kind of get get past that?

0:46:55.880 --> 0:47:01.240
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a lot to get past.

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I definitely still struggle with the idea of everything that happened.

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>But the way that I get through it now is

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I have a really awesome therapist and we did some

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:22.320
<v Speaker 2>couples therapy and stuff like that, and my therapist would

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 2>invite him in on the sessions that we would have together.

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>And I did a work book two for like people

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that had gone through sexual like devanc or like sexual

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I can't think of the word right now,

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>but doing work books and working with my therapist has

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 2>definitely helped. And this all happened, I think it's been

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>almost two years now, so I've definitely had a lot

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>of time to you know, sit with the feeling and

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of get used to that was like, get used

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to the feeling that was something that happened and it

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 2>can't really be changed. And I know that he loves me,

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and he shows that he loves me, so I know

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 2>that this is a person that I love and that

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 2>they don't intentionally want to hurt me, and I think

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:20.240
<v Speaker 2>that kind of helped me get over that feeling.

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>What was involved in these like work books, I'm very curious.

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 2>So they were things like there was pages with activities

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that would say things like what are things that you

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>think of when you think of porn addiction? And then

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 2>you would fill it out like little bullet points and

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 2>then be a little paragraph that you'd read kind of

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>explaining the brain chemistry of porn addiction and stuff like that.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>And then another one is like what would you like

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear your partner say to like consolidate you. And

0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>then he had the other version of the book, which

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>is like for the person who did had the addiction

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 2>hurt the other person. So they were like the activities

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>would kind of line up, so then we were kind

0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:11.439
<v Speaker 2>of working on things at the same time. I don't

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>know what his book entailed, because I you know, I

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get in his business, but it was

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>mostly like activities of expressing how you feel, like the

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 2>typical therapy stuff.

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, interesting, do you guys still go to the

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 1>couple's therapists.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 2>No, she ended up not being a very good match.

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 2>And then when he decided that he didn't want to

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>see her anymore, also because she didn't take our insurance,

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of fucked up. But he started doing

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>like online group therapies. There's like a lot of online

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.839
<v Speaker 2>groups that you can meet with every week to do

0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 2>like insurance free like group meetings for I think it's

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 2>like twenty dollars or something. So I had him do

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that every week, like as an assurance, because one of

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the promises I made was like, if we're gonna be together,

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I need you to be having some type of care

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>so I know that you're taking care of yourself. So

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>he's doing that for a while, and then when that

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 2>became repetitive and I didn't feel like it was helping him,

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, well you need to get a therapist.

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>And he is now gonna have a therapy appointment at

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 2>the end of the month. Yeah, I forgot where I

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 2>was going with that, but.

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's in. So he's starting therapy.

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's gonna start one on one again with a

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 2>different therapist.

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Cool, and are you are you still seeing the lady

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 1>who was good.

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm still seeing her. She's actually she owns her

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 2>practice that she does, and she just hired this new

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 2>dude and I was like, hey, my boyfriend needs a therapist.

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 2>You have any recommendations, and she's like, well, I just

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 2>interviewed this dude, and I think it would be a

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 2>perfect match. So we're gonna be going through the same practice,

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 2>which is nice because I trust her in her opinions.

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, interesting. What's your name again?

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 2>My name has never been said?

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, what I mean? You don't have to give

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:20.720
<v Speaker 1>me your real name. You can give me just something

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:21.359
<v Speaker 1>to call you.

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Crocodile.

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Crocodile. Oh I like that. Well, how'd you come up

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 1>with crocodile?

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was looking at a sticker of

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:36.439
<v Speaker 2>a skull, and skulls made me think of crocodile's eating animals.

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's see here, crocodile. Thanks for sharing your story,

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>do you? Yeah, I'm trying to think, do you? Is

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>there any other kind of aspect of this that you like,

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>or just about life in general that you want to

0:51:53.880 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 1>get into or talk about, Not.

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>That I can think of. I've just been having like

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>somewhat of a tough time with accepting the mundaneness of life.

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 2>So I've been listening to the podcast a lot, just

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to get other people's perspective on how they deal

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>with the mundaneness of life. And I'm still trying to

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 2>figure out what I'm doing there.

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, the mundaneness of life, like your routine and

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>how to get out.

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Of it, yeah, or just getting so used to routine

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that everything just kind of seems blair, especially with having

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>a new job. Like I used to have three days

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>off and now I only have two days off, so

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 2>my weekends, I'm just kind of like, oh, well, tomorrow

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to be my last day off, so like

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 2>what does it really matter? You know, it's very negative,

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:58.360
<v Speaker 2>yeah all around.

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, dealing with the mundaneess of life. I

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't fucking know, man, I don't know. Man.

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>So you said, I mean, okay, let me ask you this.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>You said you've been listening to the podcast to get

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 1>other people's like kind of perspectives on this. Have you

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you picked up where you're like, oh, okay,

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe that could be something.

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.439
<v Speaker 2>I know this like might sound terrible, but hearing other

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>people's situations being worse than mine kind of makes me

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>think that like, hey, at least you have a job

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>and you have people around you that care.

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, no, there's nothing. There's a word for that.

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:41.319
<v Speaker 1>It's called shaden freua I think. Okay, yeah, no, that's

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I've actually had. You know what's funny is a lot

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of people tell me they're like a lot of people

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>have told me I like listening to your podcast because

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>it makes me feel better about my own life. Yeah, exactly,

0:53:54.440 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of funny. Yeah, yeah, I used to Actually,

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of all right, I'm gonna say it's

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of sad, but whatever. I used to browse like

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:11.320
<v Speaker 1>r slash. I used to like go on Reddit looking

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 1>at like relationship advice or like depression or whatever, like

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.280
<v Speaker 1>all these like subreddits, and I would try to find

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>people whose lives are worse than mine on Reddit so

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I could feel better. But the worst is when you

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 1>is if you ever have a time in your life

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.400
<v Speaker 1>where you do that and you're like, oh no, I identify

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 1>with this Reddit post, you know.

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you think about it, that's what like

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>group therapy is, you have this therapy for like people

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that go through specific things so that you can relate

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 2>with them with how terrible your situation is. You know, it's.

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Funny the idea of like there being like a loser

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>of group therapy, like somebody who's bottom ranked, like they're

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>they're just there to give their horrible, horrible experience so

0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that everyone else in the group feels good. Atter, somebody

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 1>in group therapy always has to be the one to

0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>take the take it for the team and be like

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.680
<v Speaker 1>here's how off. Like it becomes like a dick measuring contest,

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 1>except you're trying to see whose dick is the smallest.

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, yeah, I did group therapy when I

0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:20.879
<v Speaker 2>was a gooraphobic because it was a way to get

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:22.400
<v Speaker 2>out of the house and I could like talk to

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 2>people about how miserable my life was. And there was

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 2>one girl that every single week she just kind of

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, that like really sucks, but like this

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 2>is what happened to me this week, and like had

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 2>to outdo everyone on how terrible her life was, so

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 2>she took on that role with a great passion. I'd say, you.

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Know, it's funny, Well, I guess two things. It's funny

0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:49.399
<v Speaker 1>because like normally like you would think that's like insensitive,

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 1>like when you share something and someone goes, oh, well,

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>my thing is worse, but actually it's it's kind of nice,

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, oh shit, your thing actually is worse. Okay,

0:55:58.600 --> 0:55:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I feel better now?

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I agree.

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:05.399
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if it look if she if

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 1>she feels pride and that I guess that that.

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Works more power to her, I.

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Guess more powered sr. But I don't know. I don't know. Man.

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.839
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if anybody in that group heard me talk

0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 2>about my stuff and thought that about me. Now that

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I think about it, that's.

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.520
<v Speaker 1>That's an interesting That is an interesting thing. Like how

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 1>like in group therapy, like do you ever talk and

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, people are like at least I'm not

0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that person, you know.

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely feel like there must have been one

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 2>person in there that looked at me and was like, oh,

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:39.880
<v Speaker 2>she's kind of fucked up.

0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:43.920
<v Speaker 1>He think he's the thing. The answer that is the

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 1>answer is probably like no matter here's like, no matter

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 1>who you are your life, no matter who you are,

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's infinite people. I mean not literally infinite,

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>but no matter who you are, there's so many people

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:02.040
<v Speaker 1>who you could take and go, oh, my life is

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>horrible compared to this person's life. Even if you have

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like an object you have like an objectively good life,

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and there will always be people who you can be like, oh,

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 1>their life is way better than they would look at

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>me and go like, ough, god, imagine being that. You know, Like, whoever,

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>whoever you are, somebody, somebody can look at your life

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and go that looks like it would be awful to

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>be in right.

0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, But.

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:34.919
<v Speaker 1>Conversely, whoever you are, there's tons of people who would

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>look at your life and be like, oh my god,

0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>could you imagine living having a three bedroom apartment and

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:45.439
<v Speaker 1>rats and a job and arms and legs and being

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty four and you know everywhere they's told me so

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>many people, you know, So it's it I got every

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 1>day is like do you want to be the person

0:57:56.240 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 1>going oh I could never be that, or the and

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh my god, imagine being mad. That would

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 1>be awesome. I think it's that I think when people

0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>say that like happiness is a choice, I know that's

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.919
<v Speaker 1>a controversial statement, and I'm not going to necessarily say

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that I agree with it, because I have complicated feelings

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:23.920
<v Speaker 1>about that idea that happiness is a choice. But I

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>but I do. But when you think about that whole

0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 1>thing of you can depending on who you're comparing your

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 1>life to, your life could either be sick or it

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:36.000
<v Speaker 1>could be awful. There is a bit of a choice

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:39.360
<v Speaker 1>in terms of which of those perspectives you want to

0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>take on, you know.

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, I think that's what I've been thinking about

0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:48.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Like I listened to one of the podcast

0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>episodes today about this girl named Angie, and she did

0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:54.720
<v Speaker 2>she had like an ice cream truck and she's like

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>so petty and optimistic. Yeah, And I was like, I

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>wish I could do that, Like I could take it

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>until I make it, but I can't right right, But

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I can try to be content with what I have

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and how I am right now, which is what I'm

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to do, which is hard, but I'm trying, you know.

0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I loved that. I loved talking to that lady.

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 1>For those of you who remember that lady, she drove

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.160
<v Speaker 1>an ice cream truck and was talking about how much

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.040
<v Speaker 1>she loved driving the ice cream truck. There are a lot, undeniably,

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 1>there are so many people who would be like driving

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>an ice cream truck sounds like it would suck, you know, Yeah,

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And then you have her who's like, oh, driving an

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>ice cream truck is fucking sweet and awesome.

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm hyped to do it every day, and

0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm hyped.

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 1>To do it every day. And in a way, I

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:44.600
<v Speaker 1>actually I look at her life and it's and I

0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 1>look less about her her external life, and more about

0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 1>her brain. And I'm like, Oh, even if I don't

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 1>wish I had that life, I wish I had that

0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.080
<v Speaker 1>brain because if I had that brain, I could have

0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>any life and I'd be fine because I'd have something

0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 1>in the wiring of my brain would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>just enjoy whatever is going on with me. I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>That's definitely a deep way to think about it, because

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<v Speaker 2>I look at myself and it's like, I dread the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of going to bed because I know that I'm

1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:21.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to get up and go to my nine

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to five. But the idea of going to bed because

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:29.520
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I can't wait to get to bed because

1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to deliver ice cream to small children with

1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:39.040
<v Speaker 2>their sticky hands just seems like that's a good brain

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<v Speaker 2>to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Crocodile. Yeah, I enjoyed talking to you, Crocodile. I hope

1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:51.200
<v Speaker 1>this was. Uh, this was I hope you enjoyed having

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:52.760
<v Speaker 1>this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely needed this. I called in before when I

1:00:56.560 --> 1:01:00.120
<v Speaker 2>was unmedicated and the call lasted like five minutes. I

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<v Speaker 2>was really upset with myself. So it's nice to have

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<v Speaker 2>some redemption for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh did we did? What? What was your previous call?

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<v Speaker 2>My name was slug. You gave me a T shirt

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<v Speaker 2>in Detroit?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I remember you? Yeah, yes, yes, I remember which

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit show were you at.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at the Harpo Theater. I saw some dude

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<v Speaker 2>peeing in the street while I was waiting in line

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<v Speaker 2>to get in. That was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Harpo Theater. That one was. That was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, did you know it? Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say. When my boyfriend and

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<v Speaker 2>I were leaving, we saw you like hitting your vape outside,

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<v Speaker 2>and we mentioned that moment a lot, just because we

1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 2>resonated with how you looked like you were feeling. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like standing there like today was long

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<v Speaker 2>and I felt that very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sure I looked like like a guy with

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<v Speaker 1>like his Mickey mouse head off smoking a cigarette in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly that's the energy we were getting, and we felt

1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that very hard. We quote that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very funny. Yeah, did I look? Was I alone? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>You were alone. You were like looking at your phone

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<v Speaker 2>and hitting your vape just like with the door cracked open.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like flashing lights to the side of you and

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<v Speaker 2>you're just kind of like looking down.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, what a crazy life? Yeah, well wait, it'slug. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you like DM me or something being like my call

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<v Speaker 1>sucked and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a post to Reddit being like I funk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you ended up messaging me, which was very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, I fully remember you. I fully remember you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>hell yeah, yeah, hellya. Wall right. I'm glad we got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. I'm glad you're doing better. And is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything else you want to say to the people of

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<v Speaker 1>the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 2>If your life feels shitty and you're sad, just think

1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:59.120
<v Speaker 2>about how it could be shittier, and that it's not shittier.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what that is that remains for eternity, a

1:03:03.160 --> 1:03:08.320
<v Speaker 1>full proof method. Yep, take care slot, I mean crocodile

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<v Speaker 1>or whichever one. O.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, okay bye.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but I'm I'm like, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about, yes, standing outside of standing outside of Harpo's

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<v Speaker 1>Concert Hall after my Detroit show, just wearing green paint

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<v Speaker 1>and smoking a vape and just being like, oh man,

1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I am a gecko. There's something romantic. I'm I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember that moment. I'm sure that happens. I'm just

1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:43.600
<v Speaker 1>happened multiple times. But I'm thinking about that, and it

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<v Speaker 1>feels actually romantic to know I got to I got

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<v Speaker 1>to be in that at some point in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>From Benadryl adic.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Sorry, I was expecting to get through.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. What's your name?

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<v Speaker 5>Let's call me Fern.

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<v Speaker 1>Fern. What's up for? Have we spoken before? If I've

1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:10.800
<v Speaker 1>talked to a Fern?

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<v Speaker 4>No, we haven't.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been trying to call in for like a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of weeks, but I haven't gotten through until now.

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<v Speaker 1>Fern. What's going on? How's uh? How's life?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing actually super super well right now, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I spent the past.

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<v Speaker 5>Four years being like really deeply addicted to taking benadryl,

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<v Speaker 5>and I have a lot of funny stories from that.

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<v Speaker 5>Even though it was not a good time, it definitely

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<v Speaker 5>led to some interesting experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, is there one in particular that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, okay, So I have to preface this by

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<v Speaker 5>saying that this all started because I was I have

1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.200
<v Speaker 5>a personality disorder, and this was kind of my way

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<v Speaker 5>with of like coping with everything that I was dealing with.

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<v Speaker 5>So uh, at one point, like this was happening maybe

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<v Speaker 5>twice a week, three times a week that I would take,

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<v Speaker 5>like I mean enough that a drill that you probably

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<v Speaker 5>like some people, if they weighed less than me, probably

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<v Speaker 5>would have died. But the one time I took, like

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I don't know how much I took, and

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to encourage anybody, but the week that

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<v Speaker 5>I did this, I was playing a lot of Tears

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<v Speaker 5>of the Kingdom, like a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>And so then when.

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<v Speaker 5>I like took all of this penet drill and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like really really out of it, and the like,

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<v Speaker 5>there's like a bunch of emergencies services that showed up

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<v Speaker 5>at my house to help me out afterwards, because this,

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<v Speaker 5>like I said, this related to my mental health issues,

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<v Speaker 5>and the like fire men were like trying to get

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<v Speaker 5>information out of me, and all I kept saying was

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<v Speaker 5>that I needed to find the master source and I

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<v Speaker 5>needed to like get back to work like on like

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<v Speaker 5>the side quest that I was working on. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, I always think about that. I wonder

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<v Speaker 5>if those like paramedics ever think about me, like really

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<v Speaker 5>drugged up talking about the Master's sorce and like not

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<v Speaker 5>knowing what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is four years of taking.

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<v Speaker 5>Benadru and shit, yeah it was not good. But I

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<v Speaker 5>have to say, like I'm almost one year sober now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious, what was it that was making you

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<v Speaker 1>want to take so much BENDRL? Just life?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just life.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I have underline personality disorder, so like.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of that.

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<v Speaker 5>It just kind of comes with the territory. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you do a lot of like stupid shit to like

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<v Speaker 5>cope with the intensity of what you're going through. So

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<v Speaker 5>I kind of liked that it like shut off my

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<v Speaker 5>brain and it like made me not have to like

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<v Speaker 5>deal with what was going on. But of course ultimately

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<v Speaker 5>in the end it made it worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was it that inspired you and helped you

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<v Speaker 1>to get sober?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I honestly straight up, I like hit rock bottom in

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<v Speaker 5>my life. Like I was mainly overdosing on benadryl, but

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<v Speaker 5>I was overdosing on other things, like as a form

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<v Speaker 5>of self harming. And one time, like mid twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 5>I won't go into too many details, but I was

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<v Speaker 5>like I got very, very very sick, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>in the ICU for a few days, and then I

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<v Speaker 5>was in inpatient psychiatry for like two weeks after that,

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<v Speaker 5>and that experience was like scary enough that I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to keep doing this, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>ruining my life. And also I didn't really appreciate at

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<v Speaker 5>the time, like how horrible it was my family too

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<v Speaker 5>to have to deal with that. And so after going

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<v Speaker 5>through all that and seeing the toll that it took,

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<v Speaker 5>especially in my mom, I was like, Okay, I can't

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<v Speaker 5>keep doing this, you know. And every month that goes

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<v Speaker 5>by with being sober, I just see, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>everything that life has to offer and how good things

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<v Speaker 5>can be. I mean, like literally last night, I like

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<v Speaker 5>went out and like bought like some snacks and drove

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<v Speaker 5>out to like a trailhead and I was looking at

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<v Speaker 5>the stars and I like almost started crying because I

1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:47.880
<v Speaker 5>was just like, Wow, I'm like so grateful that I

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<v Speaker 5>get to be alive and just experience like simple things

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<v Speaker 5>like eating Reese's peanut buttercups in my car while listening

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<v Speaker 5>to music and looking at the stars. You know, hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me more about like the things that you've You've

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<v Speaker 1>come to realize that life has to offer that make

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<v Speaker 1>you not want to uh not want to overdose on benadryl.

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<v Speaker 2>Bless you.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean like literally literally everything, Like you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>I went through like years and years and years of

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<v Speaker 5>therapy to get to get to this point too. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that another big realization was that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like suffering in life is a choice. Pain is inevitable,

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<v Speaker 5>but you only suffer if you don't like choose to

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<v Speaker 5>accept the fact that you will feel pain. And so

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<v Speaker 5>just accepting that even, like you know, like accepting the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that I'm grateful that I get to feel anxious

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<v Speaker 5>because you know, I almost because I almost died. Now

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<v Speaker 5>now I just appreciate everything, Like I'm grateful that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>able to have like shitty tinder dates, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>grateful that I'm able to have like a mid sandwich

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<v Speaker 5>from Tim Horton's you know all these like small things,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, just I'm just I'm just grateful to exist.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, existing is pretty great. Mm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've I've I've had those feelings before where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm in, when I'm in like the throes of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like true gratefulness. I feel everything you've beat you almost

1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:33.599
<v Speaker 1>you start to become like grateful for your pain too,

1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in a weird way. You go like, oh, I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for everything, including like the gruesome stuff and the

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<v Speaker 1>bad shit, and you loop it in and you're almost like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh like like when I I was wright, I wrote, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on my notes app, and I was like

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<v Speaker 1>writing my life resume down of all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>has you know, this is my entire fucking life, like

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<v Speaker 1>everything to be grateful for. And in it, I wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote all the I wrote a bunch of horrible

1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:08.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff too. I wrote, like, you know, bad things that

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<v Speaker 1>have happened to me in bad feelings and like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which I've felt, you know, suffering. And it

1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:20.800
<v Speaker 1>was like oh this and that, you you know, like

1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:24.040
<v Speaker 1>looking at it and then looking at all the good

1:11:24.080 --> 1:11:28.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff too. It felt very beautiful to have it all

1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:31.920
<v Speaker 1>laid out, and I was almost weirdly like, when I'm

1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:34.519
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the suffering, I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>fucking awful and I like this and I want to die,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, but when you're in the grateful mood

1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and like your past, everything's kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's ever truly in the rear view mirror, it's something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Pain is kind of as you're saying, like it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of life. But when you get into your right kind

1:11:52.720 --> 1:11:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of headspace, you're like grateful for you're the sum total

1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of all your life's experiences, you know, because they're yours,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you don't, Yeah, you're not sitting here like, oh,

1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:10.360
<v Speaker 1>it'd be great to be Pete Davidson, so I could

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with Kim Kardashian and have you know, eighty

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. You're like, no, I want to be me,

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<v Speaker 1>even if I even I want to be me in

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<v Speaker 1>this chair right now talking to you with all the

1:12:23.920 --> 1:12:28.439
<v Speaker 1>fucking bad brain stuff, because it's mine. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>my duty to exist in my own life, even if

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<v Speaker 1>even if like there's pain involved.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely I totally agree. I mean, like just you know,

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<v Speaker 5>being able to appreciate the breadth of human experience that

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<v Speaker 5>is available to you, even if it's painful and it's

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<v Speaker 5>not fun at times, like you know, because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if we were happy all the time, you know, you

1:12:55.760 --> 1:13:00.880
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't you wouldn't appreciate the happiness that you have. Having

1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:03.840
<v Speaker 5>that balance in your life is really what I think

1:13:03.960 --> 1:13:07.160
<v Speaker 5>makes life valuable. And so I'm I'm grateful to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to experience those moments of difficulty because it makes

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<v Speaker 5>the the high point so much sweeter and it makes me,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, feel like really appreciave for what I have

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<v Speaker 5>right because today is not guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by the way, there's probably someone listening to this

1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.680
<v Speaker 1>who's really annoyed at all this like hippie shit, And

1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I get why, and I understand. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that like suffering and pain is good. I'm not saying anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only talking about my own personal experience. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like if you're if you're listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>and you're offended because you don't lie, I'm not. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>only talking I don't know your life. I'm only I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking just talking about mine. And that's how I feel

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about, you know, things, because I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>most I don't think it when you're in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of like suffering through something, you know, you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go like, oh, it's kumbaya, right. But I'm just talking

1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:07.200
<v Speaker 1>about I've had. I've just I'm just reporting on my

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<v Speaker 1>own personal experience as a human being having had and

1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you as well, having had these kumbaya moments where you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like in harmony with your own fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't. I was talking to my friend about

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<v Speaker 1>this the other day. People, I I think if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never gone insane, you're missing something in the human experience.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Those people are like I'm on like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on a dating app and I'll see, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm about to say is like incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>judgmental and probably not true at all, but it's it

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<v Speaker 1>is gut reactions that I've had. Like I'll see like

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<v Speaker 1>a lady holding a drink with her friends and she

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<v Speaker 1>works in marketing, and I'm like, has this lady ever

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<v Speaker 1>gone insane? You know, like, how what's happening here? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she had maybe she has I don't know her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I shouldn't judgment judge about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm you know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Trying to say, no, I understand, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 5>it's funny that you mentioned that because I really think

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<v Speaker 5>that having had so many like crazy experiences in the

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<v Speaker 5>psychord and like crazy like you know, moments of like

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<v Speaker 5>like literally like going insane, like you know, I was

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<v Speaker 5>one of those people who had to be like handcuffed

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<v Speaker 5>by the police and involuntarily brought to the hospital at.

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<v Speaker 4>One point, and having gone.

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<v Speaker 5>Through that, I feel so much more empathy and understanding

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<v Speaker 5>for other people who are like going through it. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that I would be a lot more judgmental

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<v Speaker 5>of like homeless people are people who have like drug

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<v Speaker 5>addictions or anything like that, you know, if if I

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<v Speaker 5>hadn't had that same experience of being there, because I

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<v Speaker 5>really think, you know, if I had less support in

1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:48.600
<v Speaker 5>my life, I could have been, you know, one of

1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:51.920
<v Speaker 5>those people that everyone judges. So it definitely gives you

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<v Speaker 5>like a totally different experience on just on just what

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<v Speaker 5>it means to be alive when you've had that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you've had that happened to you before.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, What did you say your name was against

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<v Speaker 1>Fern Fern. Yes, okay, So how are you doing now

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not addicted to benadryl? What's your life look like?

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<v Speaker 4>So much better?

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<v Speaker 5>But I do have to say, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 5>a few years ago there were people who there's like

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<v Speaker 5>this whole benadryll challenge on TikTok. Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, I can't be the only person that knows

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<v Speaker 5>about this. There was like a like challenge of like

1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:37.040
<v Speaker 5>people intentionally overroosing on benadryl on TikTok. Like this is

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<v Speaker 5>a few years ago now, this is not super recent,

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<v Speaker 5>but I just have to say that, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if you if you were one of the people at

1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:49.320
<v Speaker 5>the time that engaged in something like that, then you

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<v Speaker 5>know you're probably experiencing what I'm experiencing now, which is

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<v Speaker 5>that your memory is like totally fucked, like really fucked,

1:16:56.000 --> 1:17:00.680
<v Speaker 5>like for several years. You know, my her memory was

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<v Speaker 5>really really bad. I mean it was never good to

1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.759
<v Speaker 5>start with, but it definitely the benadryl did not help.

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<v Speaker 4>And then only just now.

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<v Speaker 5>That I've stopped, it's like, you know, actually starting to

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm starting to see improvement, that's starting to get better,

1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:19.640
<v Speaker 5>and it also like it messed up a lot of

1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:21.640
<v Speaker 5>things in my body in general. I mean, like my

1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:23.800
<v Speaker 5>mental health is a lot better now, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm that definitely is also helped by not not

1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:32.519
<v Speaker 5>overdosing on benadrol all the time. But like even stuff

1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:36.760
<v Speaker 5>like my like my like muscles were like messed up

1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:39.559
<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that, and it's it's taken time for

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<v Speaker 5>that sort of thing to heal.

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<v Speaker 4>So and I don't think I really.

1:17:42.520 --> 1:17:46.599
<v Speaker 5>Appreciated the like physical toll that it was gonna take

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<v Speaker 5>on me, and also the traumas in my family as well.

1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:53.640
<v Speaker 5>But you know now that as time increases between like

1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:58.080
<v Speaker 5>the the you know, my last time overdosing and now

1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:01.840
<v Speaker 5>it I just see you know, progressive improvement and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>actually able to like live my life now, because that's

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<v Speaker 5>really what it felt like. I mean, I felt like

1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:08.320
<v Speaker 5>my life was like ruined, like it was ruining my life,

1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:11.800
<v Speaker 5>and now I'm actually able to like, you know, do

1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:14.439
<v Speaker 5>normal things. I mean like I didn't I didn't date

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<v Speaker 5>at all for like like my entire life until this

1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:19.200
<v Speaker 5>point because.

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<v Speaker 4>Of what I was going through.

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<v Speaker 5>So only just now am I able to like actually

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<v Speaker 5>start experiencing like relationships and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that too.

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<v Speaker 1>How is that going?

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<v Speaker 5>It's going. I like, I'm I'm fie so like before now,

1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:42.120
<v Speaker 5>I'd only ever had relationships with like women or non

1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:47.120
<v Speaker 5>binary people, and men are kind of interesting, especially men

1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:48.080
<v Speaker 5>that are my age.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna, by the way, I'm gonna say this,

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<v Speaker 1>for all the hippie ship we just talked about about

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<v Speaker 1>like being grateful for like everything or whatever. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been on Tinder and been like, oh, I'm so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>I'm alive so I can be on Tinder. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I exclude that from the hippie conversation we just had.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that maybe the first time I went on Tender,

1:19:13.600 --> 1:19:15.360
<v Speaker 5>I was like, wow, I'm grateful that I get to

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<v Speaker 5>experience this, But then I had like some some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of homophobic things said to me from somebody, and now

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Okay, you know, it's just kind of like

1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:29.120
<v Speaker 5>it's just what I've got to do, you know, to

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<v Speaker 5>like meet people. Unfortunately, but I mean it's it's going well.

1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.479
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I may not be grateful for Tinder, but

1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:40.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm grateful that I get to experience romantic relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, by the way, I'm I'm mainly just bullshitting

1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:45.920
<v Speaker 1>my act, like like deep down my thoughts about like

1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:48.880
<v Speaker 1>dating apps, so that they're good. You know, they they

1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:51.840
<v Speaker 1>open well, they're they're I mean not that they're like

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<v Speaker 1>blanket good. They're they're a double edged sword because you know,

1:19:56.760 --> 1:19:59.599
<v Speaker 1>on like the negative end, they you know, make people

1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:02.280
<v Speaker 1>feel the pressed and compare themselves to other people, and

1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, it makes your steam god down. But you know,

1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't even have to say, there's a bunch of

1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:09.200
<v Speaker 1>negative things. But on the positive, it's like it opens

1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:12.080
<v Speaker 1>up new opportunities to meet people you never would have

1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:15.360
<v Speaker 1>met before, and I think that that's like a huge positive.

1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:19.880
<v Speaker 1>So I actually do think that overall dating apps are good.

1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>It used to be that, like you just got married

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<v Speaker 1>to whoever lived next to you, whether you were a

1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:29.599
<v Speaker 1>good fit or not, but you ended up being a

1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:33.040
<v Speaker 1>good fit no matter what, because you both had the

1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:36.320
<v Speaker 1>exact same life experience, so it all worked out. I

1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:39.640
<v Speaker 1>guess we live in a more complicated world now, but

1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:41.640
<v Speaker 1>we we live in a more complicated world now, but

1:20:41.640 --> 1:20:46.360
<v Speaker 1>but we have our archaic wiring still. That's the that's

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<v Speaker 1>the reality show Fun Part Twist of Humanity in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, you know, my sister met her fiance

1:20:56.720 --> 1:20:59.320
<v Speaker 5>on Tinder, so like, I know that it can work

1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:03.640
<v Speaker 5>out for for people, but you know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a flog together, especially in my area, like being a

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<v Speaker 5>like member of the LGBTQ community and living somewhere that's

1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:13.760
<v Speaker 5>like kind of conservative. It's you know, I'm always like

1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:18.360
<v Speaker 5>a little bit hesitant meeting people, especially meeting like straight

1:21:18.400 --> 1:21:21.720
<v Speaker 5>white men my age, you know, about whether or not

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to be weird or not.

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<v Speaker 1>So how old are you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, damn, so you were So you started doing the

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<v Speaker 1>Benagol thing when you were like eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So what happened was that I had like mental

1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:43.200
<v Speaker 5>health issues in high school and then but I was

1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:45.680
<v Speaker 5>living with my family at that point, right, so like

1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:48.880
<v Speaker 5>I wasn't acting out, But then I moved to go

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<v Speaker 5>to I'm Canadian, so I moved to go to university

1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:57.080
<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty. After I graduated, and then living in

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<v Speaker 5>like a dorm for the first time by myself, I

1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.920
<v Speaker 5>didn't have other people around me that I felt sad about, like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, doing this around. So then that's when it started,

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<v Speaker 5>and it and it continued for right, yeah, and then

1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:12.559
<v Speaker 5>it continued like for many years. You know, I hadn't

1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:15.160
<v Speaker 5>exchange to France in twenty twenty three and actually got

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<v Speaker 5>kicked out of the country because of all of those

1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:22.559
<v Speaker 5>two So yeah, so that that was a that was

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<v Speaker 5>a big deal as well. So and then that's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>after I got back from France, that's when I ended

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<v Speaker 5>up in the ICU. And then after that that's when I,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, started to actually work on getting sober.

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<v Speaker 1>Is benedrux illegal in France?

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<v Speaker 5>Well yes, but they have another drugs in the same class.

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<v Speaker 5>See this is I was so I was so fucking

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<v Speaker 5>methodical about all of this, you don't even understand. I like,

1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 5>before I went to France, I was like googling, like

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<v Speaker 5>what like drugs that they have at the pharmacy there

1:22:56.800 --> 1:23:01.000
<v Speaker 5>that is analogous to benadrl that I could like keep

1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.920
<v Speaker 5>doing the same thing when I got there. But then

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<v Speaker 5>also I had like I was taking a prescription mood

1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.960
<v Speaker 5>stabilizer at that point, and like a few I think

1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:14.320
<v Speaker 5>I was also on antidepressants and my doctor in Canada

1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.880
<v Speaker 5>gave me like a big fat like bottle to take

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<v Speaker 5>with me to France because I didn't know if I

1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.760
<v Speaker 5>could get it prescribed there, and so then I was

1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:24.120
<v Speaker 5>also overdosing on that if I couldn't get my hands

1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:29.200
<v Speaker 5>on the like benadrill analogous thing that they have. I

1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.040
<v Speaker 5>don't even remember the drug now, but I used to

1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:33.800
<v Speaker 5>buy it online at the pharmacy and then they would

1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:35.719
<v Speaker 5>ship it to my dorm.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and how did that get How did that get?

1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>You kicked out?

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<v Speaker 5>So it was because I was on an exchange, like

1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:48.479
<v Speaker 5>I said, so my like Canadian University had agreement through

1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:53.880
<v Speaker 5>a third party with the university in France, and uh,

1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:56.800
<v Speaker 5>part of the contract that I signed was that if

1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:01.000
<v Speaker 5>you're like a danger to yourself or to other people,

1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:06.840
<v Speaker 5>you can't stay on the exchange. And so I but

1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:09.000
<v Speaker 5>when I went on the exchange, I thought that I

1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:13.360
<v Speaker 5>had disclosed that I had this problem, but they were

1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.839
<v Speaker 5>not happy about it. And so what ended up happening

1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:21.240
<v Speaker 5>was that I I was admitted to the hospital in

1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:24.320
<v Speaker 5>France after one of these instances, which was I mean

1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:26.639
<v Speaker 5>crazy in and of itself, like I have so many

1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:27.280
<v Speaker 5>stories from that.

1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>But like.

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<v Speaker 5>When they admitted me, they took away my phone and

1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:34.160
<v Speaker 5>so my phone was turned off for like a couple

1:24:34.200 --> 1:24:39.000
<v Speaker 5>of days and I couldn't contact anybody, and my mom

1:24:39.040 --> 1:24:41.120
<v Speaker 5>can't get a hold of me. None of the exchange

1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:42.840
<v Speaker 5>people could get a hold of me, No one at

1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:43.760
<v Speaker 5>my university.

1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:44.400
<v Speaker 4>Could get a hold of me.

1:24:44.840 --> 1:24:48.280
<v Speaker 5>So they actually declared me missing to the like French police,

1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:53.800
<v Speaker 5>and then it took like a bit until after I

1:24:53.840 --> 1:24:55.240
<v Speaker 5>was able to get my phone back and I could

1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:56.479
<v Speaker 5>call them, and I was like.

1:24:57.120 --> 1:24:58.240
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm alive.

1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:03.799
<v Speaker 5>And then but because you know, they reported me missing,

1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:06.400
<v Speaker 5>then my exchange company was alerted to what was going on,

1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:09.040
<v Speaker 5>and it was kind of a thread that like unraveled everything,

1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:13.120
<v Speaker 5>and the French psychiatrist said, you have to go home.

1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:18.360
<v Speaker 5>Actually they wanted to have They wanted to like sedate

1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:20.880
<v Speaker 5>me and restrain me and put me on a plane

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<v Speaker 5>with a nurse to find me back to Canada, like

1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:27.080
<v Speaker 5>I mean like like like straight jacket style almost. But

1:25:28.120 --> 1:25:30.920
<v Speaker 5>my mom intervened and she said that she would come

1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:32.799
<v Speaker 5>get me. So that's why I was able to be released.

1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:35.200
<v Speaker 5>My mom hadn't come, they would have like you know,

1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.360
<v Speaker 5>like packaged me up like that and like drugged me

1:25:38.439 --> 1:25:41.280
<v Speaker 5>up and sent me back to Canada like that, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mom had to come to France to get you.

1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:45.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my mom and my aunt flew to France to

1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:50.840
<v Speaker 5>get me out of the psych ward, and then we

1:25:51.280 --> 1:25:54.360
<v Speaker 5>went through Belgium and then we flew out of Belgium

1:25:54.360 --> 1:25:55.400
<v Speaker 5>to get back to Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, yeah, are you? Are you like French Canadian speak French?

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<v Speaker 4>I do speak French.

1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:06.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm not French Canadian though, but I went to French immersion,

1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:10.400
<v Speaker 5>so I'm like, I'm like proficient, I'm like conversational in French,

1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:15.280
<v Speaker 5>which definitely helped when I was in France, especially in

1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:17.040
<v Speaker 5>the hospital, because they don't speak English at all.

1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that would be that would be kind of

1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.759
<v Speaker 1>that sounds psychedelic as fuck, being in like the psych

1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>ward of a country whose language you don't speak.

1:26:32.439 --> 1:26:36.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm really glad that I at least mostly understood them.

1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:39.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean, there was like some things that I, like,

1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:43.920
<v Speaker 5>I understand French better than I can actually speak it,

1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:45.640
<v Speaker 5>so I could understand what they were saying to me

1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:47.360
<v Speaker 5>a lot of the time, but I struggled to answer

1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:50.599
<v Speaker 5>and it was tough because you know, also in France

1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:52.600
<v Speaker 5>and the psych word, they have a very much like

1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.640
<v Speaker 5>a the doctor is right sort of attitude, right, so

1:26:55.920 --> 1:26:58.040
<v Speaker 5>like like you don't argue with them. I tried to

1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:00.479
<v Speaker 5>argue with them once. It didn't end well for me.

1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:06.599
<v Speaker 5>So it's definitely very, very different than the experiences I've

1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.599
<v Speaker 5>had in patient in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Fern, I guess before we go, what's next for you?

1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>See you've graduated school, I assume what's the future of

1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Fern look like?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm actually going into my last master right now,

1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:29.519
<v Speaker 5>cool of university.

1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.360
<v Speaker 4>But I want to.

1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:37.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm a public relations major, believe it or not, and

1:27:38.479 --> 1:27:41.720
<v Speaker 5>I want to see if I can potentially work as

1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:47.959
<v Speaker 5>like an intern at the legislature here in my province.

1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:52.360
<v Speaker 5>And if not, then I want to go back and

1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:58.479
<v Speaker 5>see my family and live live on the West Coast

1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:01.360
<v Speaker 5>for a bit with them and try and get a

1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:03.559
<v Speaker 5>job and just like live a normal ass life and

1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:07.280
<v Speaker 5>not have this chaos around me anymore. Actually, long term,

1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:09.520
<v Speaker 5>I hope to move back to France at some point.

1:28:09.960 --> 1:28:15.479
<v Speaker 4>But that's that's a a whole thing that I'll have

1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:16.000
<v Speaker 4>to work on.

1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>That would be pretty sweet, That would be pretty sweet. Yeah,

1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:22.559
<v Speaker 1>what would you do in France? Just hang out?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I want to get my master's degree, So in France.

1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:31.599
<v Speaker 5>Basically the standard of education is you have to get

1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:35.080
<v Speaker 5>your masters, like under like just your bachelor's is not

1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:38.479
<v Speaker 5>enough to get a good job. So I want to

1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:40.639
<v Speaker 5>go back and I can get my masters. And because

1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.080
<v Speaker 5>Canada has an agreement with France, I can apply for

1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:46.080
<v Speaker 5>citizenship after like two years or something, so then I

1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:50.000
<v Speaker 5>can be an U citizen and I can work. But

1:28:50.040 --> 1:28:52.200
<v Speaker 5>hopefully as my long term goal is to do like

1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:55.960
<v Speaker 5>communications and public relations for like NGO's, like Human Rights

1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:59.080
<v Speaker 5>Watch or something like that. That's my goal. But we'll see.

1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:00.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's kind of a lot of goal, but

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it would be fun, It'll be nice. I'm

1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:07.519
<v Speaker 5>like I say, I'm just I'm just glad to be

1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.519
<v Speaker 5>alive and I'm looking forward to everything that life has

1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:09.960
<v Speaker 5>to offer.

1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, Verne, I'm glad you didn't overdose on benadryla

1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and die.

1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:18.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm very glad that I didn't either. I mean, it's

1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:21.400
<v Speaker 5>it's not a fun way to die. Like, I really

1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:24.160
<v Speaker 5>don't recommend it. Not that anyone here is considering that,

1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:27.400
<v Speaker 5>but I recommend against it. It's not enjoyable.

1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>This has been an interesting three conversations to have. I

1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like, did everyone in this did everyone I talked

1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>to on this podcast almost die today. It was I

1:29:38.400 --> 1:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>talked to the boat Yeah, the boat girl. I talked

1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>to the trailer living lady with the rats. She was cool.

1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>She didn't just die. I don't think.

1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:56.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm real worried about boat girl, though. I hope

1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:57.360
<v Speaker 5>she calls the Coastguard.

1:29:57.600 --> 1:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm also worried about boat girl. I hope she I

1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:02.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know why she. I mean, I'm glad we got

1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:05.879
<v Speaker 1>to talk. It was a great conversation, but I don't

1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:09.479
<v Speaker 1>know why she called. Well, she she seems pretty confident

1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that she'll figure it out, and I actually I hope

1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:15.479
<v Speaker 1>she does. I hope I'm not getting called. I hope

1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't get like a phone call or something where

1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>they're like, hey, you have the last transcription of her.

1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:23.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know why I'm putting that out in

1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the universe. It's fucked up. She'll be fine. Everyone's gonna

1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>be fine. You're gonna be fine, I'm gonna be fine.

1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Everything's gonna be fine. Thanks. Thanks for sharing your story

1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>with us. I'm always happy to hear a story of

1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stories today of people moving on with

1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:45.679
<v Speaker 1>their lives and doing good stuff. So thanks for being

1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a part of that, Fern, Is there is there anything

1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>else you want to say to the people of the

1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>computer before we go?

1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:58.920
<v Speaker 5>Really, if you can all at all possibly do it,

1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.320
<v Speaker 5>avoid getting involved in like any sort of addiction, like

1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:07.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, drinking or smoking weed or like you know,

1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:09.040
<v Speaker 5>in my case, self harm.

1:31:09.280 --> 1:31:10.559
<v Speaker 4>Like it's such a.

1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:12.759
<v Speaker 5>Deep, deep, deep, deep deep hole that you get yourself

1:31:12.800 --> 1:31:16.120
<v Speaker 5>into and it takes years and years and years and

1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:17.840
<v Speaker 5>years and a lot of pain and hard work to

1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:19.920
<v Speaker 5>dig yourself out of it. It's just never worth it.

1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:23.799
<v Speaker 5>It's not worth it. And if you're really struggling, you should,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, if it's all possible, reach out to people

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<v Speaker 5>around you so that you don't feel like you have

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<v Speaker 5>to resort to that because it just makes things worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Fern, thanks for calling, and good luck with the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been great chatting great talking to you too, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you around the universe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have a good one. But bye.

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<v Speaker 1>That was great. What a great appisode. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>really fun episode. That was great. I loved I loved

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<v Speaker 1>to today's episode. That was really fun, lots of juicy stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I'm very grateful in this moment. It's as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm recording this, it's April twenty second, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>This summer will be five years of the of the

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<v Speaker 1>therapy Get Go, and we're still getting interesting stories and

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<v Speaker 1>having great phone calls and learning things and soaking up

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<v Speaker 1>the lived experiences of others and it's cool. So thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for calling, everyone who called, Thanks for listening, everyone who listened.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we're putting a lot of ads in the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast lately, so I'm trying to make the show longer

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<v Speaker 1>so that the ads to podcast ratio is good. So thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for bearing with me on this journey. Get bless.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been fun. I don't know why I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I have anything else to say

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<v Speaker 1>except that this. I've enjoyed doing this podcast today, three

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<v Speaker 1>really great calls. Okay, anything else? Uh? I guess Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the end of the podcast, so I can

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<v Speaker 1>just trail off. And it's not like there's nothing past this.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing past me trailing off, So this I can

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm me trailing off is not blocking further content

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<v Speaker 1>that would be to come, because it's the end. But

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you can maybe I can say something random here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my brain doesn't work. I'm we did it. We did

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, all right, thanks for listening, everyone, see you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything goes to teaching you the interview line that he's

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<v Speaker 1>not really an expert.