1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to playmakers. I'm Haley Elwood and joining me today 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: is Amy Trask. Amy is a former CEO of the Raiders. 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: We will not hold that against her, even though this 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: is a Chargers podcast, because she is an amazing, amazing woman, 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: and currently she works as an analyst for CBS Sports, 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: where you can find her on that other pregame show 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: as well as we need to talk, which we will 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: talk about later today. So Amy, thank you so much 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: for coming on. How are you. I am well, thank 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: you for asking, thank you for having me on. I 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: hope that you are well as well. And if I 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: may address your very very good spirited comment at the 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: beginning about not holding it against me that I spent 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: all those years as a divisional arrival with the Chargers, 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I will share with you that, notwithstanding that we were 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: competitors on the field on game day, we worked tremendously 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: collaboratively with the Chargers on non game matters. YEA so 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: tremendous relationship, and I think extremely highly of so many 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: in the Charge organization. I love that because I mean, 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: that's how I feel about my counterparts at the Raiders too, 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: even the Bronchos, my cousin actually works for the Broncos, 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: So we have a little AFC West rivalry in the family. 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: But that's the fun thing about the NFL, right, I mean, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: your division rivals. On the field, whatever happens between the 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: white lines happens. But then off of it, we're all 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: in this together at the end of the day. Well said. 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, that's quite a matchup of having 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: divisional rivals in a family, each of you working for 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: separate AFC West teams. That must make for interesting holidays, 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, in the olden days when we actually could 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: get together for holidays. Yeah, but you know it's it's 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: league wide, and you summed it up so beautifully. Teams 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: are competitors on the field, but work collaboratively off the field. 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: And I enjoyed that relationship really with every team for 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the most part around the league. And I'm teasing when 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: I say the most for the most part, it's thirty 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: two teams, and people often talk about the league, the league, 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: the league. Well, the league is simply a compilation of 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: thirty two businesses, and the league office, the commissioner, and 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: everyone else are employees of those thirty two teams. So 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: collaboration is the norm. Not the exception, absolutely all right. 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: So getting to you, you were the NFL's first female 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: front office executive. What does that accomplishment mean to you. 44 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: It's not something I reflected on while I was in 45 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: the league. You know, so many of the people who 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: are enjoying your podcasts and it pains me to say this, 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: we're probably not even alive when I started my career 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: with the Raiders. I started. I joined the Raiders in 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: the early part of the mid eighties as an intern, 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: and very shortly after, still in the mid eighties, as 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: a full time employee. That was a long time ago. 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't even want to do the math because it 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: is so long ago, and I probably would get it 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: wrong on your podcast. Yeah, I was a late eighties baby, 55 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: and I'm thirties, so there you go, so tack on 56 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: a couple of years there. So you did the math 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: for me. That was a long time ago. And you know, 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: right now there's so much discussion about women in sports, 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: women in football in particular, things of that nature. Those 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: weren't even topics back then. When I attended my first 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: league meeting, I've seen only woman in the room. And 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, again, your listeners are Charger fans, and whether 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: you hate the Raiders or just mildly dislike them, whether 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: you loved L. Davis or only mildly disliked him. If 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: we're being intellectually honest and fair, let's acknowledge that this 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: was someone who hired without regard to race, gender, ethnicity, 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: or any other individuality, which has absolutely no bearing on 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: whether one can do a job well. Before anyone else 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: was having that conversation. Yeah, So Genie Bonk, who works 70 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: for the Chargers, Chargers Executive Vice President COO CFO, She's 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: told me that when Alex Spanos had hired her, it 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: was never about gender. It was because she was the 73 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: best person for the job. And to your point, you 74 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: feel that exact same way when you talk about al 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Why was that the case and are you proud in 76 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: a sense that it was like that back in the day. Well, 77 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Genie because that was going to 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: be the kickoff of my next answer to whatever would 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: be your next question. Because Genie, I have boy such 80 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: strong passionate views about how tremendous Genie is for so 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: many reasons, and I enjoyed working with her for decades. 82 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: I'll digress for one minute and tell you that at 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: league owner meetings, you know, there's the one meeting a year, 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: which is a whole lot of people, but most meetings 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: are either one per club or two per club meetings, 86 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: and that's where all the work gets done. And for 87 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: all the years that Genie and I were in the 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: league together, well for all my years in the league, 89 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: and then once Genie joined the Chargers, all our years together, 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers in the Raiders sat right across the table 91 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: from one another, and so I had the privilege and 92 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: pleasure of working with Genie up close in those meetings 93 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: as well as on many, many many matters throughout our 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: respective careers. And she is absolutely tremendous. And I've heard 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: her articulate that view about Alex, and it is the 96 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: same view I have shared about al And that makes 97 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: what they did, in my view, all the more significant 98 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: and meaningful. They hired us without any consideration whatsoever of 99 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: our gender. They hired us to do a job. So 100 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: in regards to you and that internship that you had 101 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: cold called, I heard I read the Raiders about what 102 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: led you to wanting to pursue a career in sports, 103 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Because I read you did that when you were in 104 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: law school at USC, but you didn't want to be 105 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Ultimately, is that right? Right? I was one 106 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: of the umpteen kids who goes to law school for 107 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: any reason other than wanting to be a lawyer. Long 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: story why I did. I won't bore you with it, 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: but I thought that that law degree would serve me 110 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: well in terms of a business career, and it did. 111 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: I fell in love with the Raiders when I was 112 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: a student at cal Broke Past, where I did my 113 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: undergrad at CAL. And when I moved down back home, 114 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: actually to Los Angeles to attend graduate school, that was 115 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: the same year the team ultimately relocated to Los Angeles. 116 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: It had tried to do so a couple of years earlier, 117 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: but was ordered back to Oakland by the court as 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: litigation was pending. So I graduated Cal moved to Los Angeles. 119 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: That was the same year the team came to Los Angeles. 120 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: And when I started law school I heard all these 121 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: people talking about these things called internships and externships. Well, 122 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: I'd never heard of an externship, and I didn't really 123 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: understand the difference, and I didn't really care. So I 124 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: did cold call the organization, and I served as an 125 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: intern in that early you know, kind of the early 126 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: part or the early to middle part of the eighties. Okay. 127 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: I love that persistence and and just that kind of hey, 128 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna call them and I'm gonna do this. 129 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: It actually reminded me a lot about myself when I 130 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: had first wanted to get into sports broadcasting. I just 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, now we do it on Twitter. I sent 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: a DM to someone who was doing high school football 133 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: recruiting for Fox Sports, and then it became scout dot 134 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: com and that led me to that role. Was that 135 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: always part of sort of your emo, just that Hey, 136 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for it and I'm gonna get it done. 137 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: First of all, kudos to you not only for doing 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: what you did to at your foot in the proverbial 139 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: door of the sports industry, but for sharing that with others. 140 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Because I'm often asked by many people what do I 141 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: do to get in? How do I get a start? 142 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: And I respond by saying, persistence, reach out often to 143 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: many people, etc. Etc. And to do exactly what you did. 144 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: So I love that you did it, but I also 145 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: love that you're taking your time to share with others 146 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: how you did it, as it may be of value 147 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: to others wanting to get into the industry as to 148 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: what I did or how I did it. You know, 149 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I never had a plan. I never had. Someone said 150 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: to me during my career with the Raiders, you know, Amy, 151 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: you need to have a five year plan. And I 152 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: looked at this person, very very very special to me 153 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: offered that advice was offered for all the very best reasons, 154 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and I just said, yeah, no, I don't want to plan. 155 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm just going to plan. I just I've never had 156 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: a plan to my career, which many people tell me 157 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: is odd since I plan in so many regards and 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I love to have plans, but I never did with 159 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: respect to my career. And I remember responding to the 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: person who said that to me, I appreciate your advice, 161 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: but I don't want a five year plan for my career. 162 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: And then I added and that whole five year plan 163 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: thing didn't work so well for the Russians, so you know, 164 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm good without a plan. Yeah. So, getting back to 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: Genie for a second, and in some of those owners meetings, 166 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: what was it like seeing more women like her on 167 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: the business side of football? Join you in those rooms 168 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: and in those meetings. Phenomenal. And by the way, tip 169 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: of the hat to Genie, because not only did she 170 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: do a magnificent job and she still does. I only 171 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: used past tense because I no longer work with her. 172 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: She always had snacks at the meeting, and she always shared, 173 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: Like I look across at the table and she'd have 174 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: like a little bit of candy or something, and would 175 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: I was never shy about looking imploring at her, and 176 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: she always share her candy. So that aside to answer 177 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: your important questions, seriously, it's magnificent. I loved seeing the 178 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: job that Genie did. Another woman who joined the league 179 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: years after, Jeanie Hannah Gordon, who is currently the General 180 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: counsel and I think co and has a number of 181 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: important roles and titles with the San Francisco forty nine. 182 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: Or she's another that immediately springs to mind. And you know, look, 183 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: I'll say again about Genie the same. You know, I'll 184 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: share the observation we touched upon earlier. Genie did her job. 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: Genie didn't spend time thinking about gender. She did her job. 186 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: And you know, if I may share with you and 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: stop me if I'm talking too much, but you're asking 188 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: such terrific questions. You've got me on a roll. One 189 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: of the most special moments of my career was when 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: in a meeting, Al said to one of our guests, 191 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: I'd asked him to join a meeting with a prospective 192 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: businessiness partner to help us in the meeting. And he 193 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: walked in and the business that came in, the business 194 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: that was visiting us, there was a woman involved, and 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: he looked at her and said, you know, nice to 196 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: meet you. And he greeted her very graciously and said, 197 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't swear in front of women. I try really 198 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: hard not to swear in front of women. While I 199 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: start looking around the room at my coworkers, like, did 200 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: he just say what I think he said? And he 201 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: went on to say to this woman, and even if 202 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: I inadvertently swear in front of you, I will never 203 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: swear at you. I don't swear at women. And now 204 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm looking at all my coworkers and I'm just so perplexed. 205 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: My pen flew out of my hand and landed on 206 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: the table with a thumb. So Al looked at me 207 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, Amy, I swear at Amy. But 208 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't consider her a woman. And that was one 209 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 1: of the most magnificent moments of my career, which was 210 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: filled with magnificent moments. And the reason and I share 211 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: that with you is al didn't care about my gender. 212 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: Alex and Dean Alex didn't and Dean doesn't care about 213 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: the Genie's gender. Jennie was hired to do a job 214 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: without regard to gender. And I love that. Yeah, I 215 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: love that too, And thank you for sharing that story, 216 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: and also the story about Genie and her snacks. She's 217 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: supposed to come on with me later this season, and 218 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: that is a perfect question that I will be asking her, 219 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: So thank you for that intel, and I'll ask her also, 220 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: what do you remember what the candy was? What? Oh, 221 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not giving the can unless Genie would 222 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: get a sponsorship at it from the camp, you know, 223 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: unless Genie gets a sponsorship deal from the candy manufacturer. 224 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm not giving up the name. It's very fair, very 225 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: very fair. What kinds of challenges did you face when 226 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: you first entered the NFL. Oh, look, we all face 227 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: challenges when we start a job. I was young, I mean, 228 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: I was what I would call a kid when I 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: started I was in the early part of my mid 230 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I guess when I did my internship, I was in 231 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: my early twenties. I joined the team full time in 232 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: my mid twenties, so you know the challenges. We're figuring 233 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: out how to do the job. And you know, I'm 234 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: often asked if I believe I was tested because I 235 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: was a woman. I don't know. Probably let's say I was. 236 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's assume I was tested because I was a woman, 237 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I may have been tested for 238 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: other reasons, because we're all tested. We're tested because of 239 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: our age, our gender, our race, our educational background, our seniority, 240 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: our you know, our time on the job. We're all 241 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: tested for different reasons. Well, what's the best thing to 242 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: do when we're tested? Past the damn test? Yeah, so 243 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I was tested because I was a woman. 244 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: Let's assume I was, well, I could have been tested 245 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: for any number of other reasons. Others are tested as well, 246 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: without regard to gender. I think the best thing to 247 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: do is focus on passing the test, not focus on 248 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: the reason I'm being tested well, And I think that's 249 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: great advice. Past the damn task for any industry that 250 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: you're in regardless of what your job is. I think 251 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: that's that's perfect advice for anyone, like I said, just 252 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: in their daily lives in that sense. So okay, So 253 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: you have this amazing career with the Raiders. You then 254 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: joined CBS Sports in twenty thirteen, but I had heard 255 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: you initially had doubts about taking that role on why 256 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: was that scariest thing I've ever done? CBS Sports contacted 257 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: me and you know, offered me this magnificent opportunity to 258 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: join CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports. And my initial 259 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: firm reaction, I mean, I said, my reaction was no, no, no, 260 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I am never, ever, ever, ever going to do that. No. No, 261 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: as a no TV camera. Yeah, being on camera is 262 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the most frightening thing I have ever done. And um, 263 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: you know I was when I received very very generous, gracious, 264 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: magnificent offer to join this tremendous team. As I said, 265 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: I looked at my husband, I looked at my dearest friends, 266 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and I said, Nope, nope, nope, not doing it. I 267 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: have always and maybe I'm sharing more than I should, 268 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: or I guess I'm not sharing more than I should. 269 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I guess I'm sharing more than some people might think 270 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: I should, but I've always had tremendous, tremendous insecurity about 271 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: my physical appearance that goes all the way back to 272 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: my preteen years and stayed with me through my teenage 273 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: years and thereafter. So being on camera has always been very, 274 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: very scary for me. If you were to go back 275 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: and look at my family's home movies, Yeah, kids, we 276 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: had these things called movies and they weren't on phones, 277 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: you wouldn't see any of them. Right, I'm not in 278 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: any of them because that camera would go on and 279 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: I'd run the opposite direction. Well, I was having a 280 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: conversation with a group of girlfriends and sharing the fact 281 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: that I was not going to do this. I was 282 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: going to pass on the opportunity and explaining why, and 283 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: one of the people there looked at me, not a dear, 284 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: dear friend, but part of a larger group, and in 285 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: a really quiet voice, she said to me, let it go. 286 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: And those three words resonated with me. You know, we 287 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: never know when something we say is going to help someone, 288 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: and those three words, let it go, we're life changing 289 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: for me. And you know, I was teasing about sharing 290 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: too much, but if by sharing this, I encouraged someone 291 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: else to let go of an insecurity. Well, then I'm 292 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: glad I've shared my insecurity. When she said let it go, 293 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought about that and I said, you know what, 294 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to let it go, and I accepted the 295 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: offer from CBS Sports Sean Robbins, our producer. The first 296 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: year I was on the show, I said to him 297 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: at one point, I am so scared. I think I'm 298 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: going to throw up all over myself when we're on camera, 299 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: and he looked at me and his response was, Wow, 300 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: we'd get a lot of YouTube views to add and 301 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: the team. Let me just tell you, the team at 302 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: CBS Sports have literally, not just figuratively, but literally held 303 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: my hand throughout this, and I thank them all for that. 304 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing something that's very scary, and I'm glad I 305 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: am is having those amazing teammates, those co workers. Did 306 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: that help your transition? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, I shared 307 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: within my insecurity. They recognized that I was being sincere 308 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: and they've all done all they can to help me. 309 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: My first year on the show, one of my colleagues, 310 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: Bart Scott, actually held my hand under the table literally 311 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: during sometimes when we were live, but always right before 312 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: we went from break into being live. He'd hold my 313 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: hand and he'd say, you got this, And my teammates 314 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: to this day help me in that regard, and by 315 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: sharing this I can help some others. Yes, I love that. 316 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: So I love a couple of things. First off, I 317 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: love that you refer to your co workers as teammates 318 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: because that team bond it never goes away, even when 319 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: you're a part of a team. We're all part of 320 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: different teams at the end of the day in our workplace. 321 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: And then, now that you've been able to overcome that 322 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: fear or work through it, what do you love most 323 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: about what you're doing with CBS. I think work through 324 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: it as a tremendous expression. I think you just, um, boy, 325 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: that was great because you hit the nail on the head. 326 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I haven't overcome it. I have worked and I am 327 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: working through it so brilliantly stated on your part, and 328 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: I will. I will hearken back to something you just 329 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: said to note that one of the things I like 330 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: about it the most is being part of the team 331 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: that I am a part of. And I hate myself 332 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: for just ending that sentence in a preposition. I'm a 333 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: nerd that way, So I apologize that I just joined 334 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: your podcast and ended a sentence in a preposition. Your 335 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: about teamwork is spot on. You don't have to be 336 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: part of a team a literal team, a football team, 337 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: a basketball team, a baseball team, an Olympic team to 338 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: be a teammate. There are teammates in business, there are 339 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: teammates in life. There are teammates, and everything we do, 340 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: really everyone on this planet is and should be with 341 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: one another a teammate. So I love that, you know what. 342 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: I also love the different perspective I have. For almost 343 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: thirty years, I was focused on one team, and now 344 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: I have the perspective being being able to look around 345 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: at all thirty two, and that's how I fell in 346 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: love with the work you do. Had I simply been 347 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: in my old role, I wouldn't have been doing what 348 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing now on social media and otherwise. And having 349 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: gotten to meet you on social media and see the 350 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: magnificent job you do for the Chargers and otherwise has 351 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. Thanks Amy, I definitely definitely 352 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: appreciate that, and that is a lot of fun. I mean, 353 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: that's even doing something like this where me being part 354 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: of a team, I love being able to have these 355 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: conversations with different women across the league and the amazing 356 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: things that they're doing in the NFL. So another team 357 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: that you contribute to is the team if we need 358 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: to talk an all female sports show that has been 359 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: on CBS for a few seasons. Excuse me on CBS Sports. 360 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: I've spoken to Leslie Visser, I've spoken to Tracy Wolfson, 361 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: they are on it. How special is it to be 362 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: part of something like that? Tremendously special? And you named 363 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: two of the many reasons it is so special. The 364 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: women with whom I get to work very very very 365 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: special moment with Leslie Visser early early early in my career, 366 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: in the first year or so. The opportunity to work 367 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: with her now is tremendous. Tracy is tremendous. All of 368 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the women on this show. It's just a lot of fun. 369 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I often look around back when we were together in 370 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: studio and now I do it on zooms and I think, 371 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, am I the only one on this 372 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: show without an Olympic medal, not to mention gold medal YEA, 373 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: or without a championship in a sport, or not in 374 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the Hall of fame because I look around and the 375 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: teammates with whom I work are just just tremendous, and 376 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about any number of topics with them. 377 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: We don't stick to sports, so to seek. Yeah, I 378 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: love that, and I you know, in the conversations that 379 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: I've had in the episodes that I've watched, it's all encompassing. 380 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: It's all encompassing different things of sports, different off the 381 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: field topics, which is great because kind of like what 382 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, it's such a unique perspective that 383 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: you all bring to that show and there's nothing like 384 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: it out there right now, and we bring different perspectives. Yeah, 385 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: we don't all agree on everything. There's times we don't 386 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: agree on anything, and you know what, that's great. Disagreement 387 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: is healthy, Disagreement is productive as long as we all 388 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: know that we can disagree agreeably and as long as 389 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: we all do so. By the way, Yeah, by the way, 390 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments from We Need to Talk, 391 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: perhaps my favorite was Are very very very first show 392 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: we all met ahead of time. Every single woman was 393 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: on that first show, oh except Summer Sanders. I think 394 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: we zoomed her in from Africa okay. But we're sitting 395 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: there and we're talking, and I was sharing with my 396 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: teammates that I was nervous about going on camera, and 397 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Layla Ali looked at me and said, I got you. 398 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: I got you meaning she had my back, not meaning 399 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: she understood me. And I called home and I said, 400 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: I am good for the rest of my life, because 401 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: if Layla Ali has my back, I am good. So 402 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: that was a fun We need to talk a moment. Yeah, 403 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that's rolled through in the seasons as 404 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: you've done. Yeah, if anyone's going to have it, she's 405 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: a good one. She's a game to a couple more. 406 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, I have to talk 407 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: to you too about your passion for animal welfare. You 408 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: are a huge animal welfare advocate. Where does that come from? 409 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Probably all the way back to the time I was 410 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: a little, little little kid. There was not a stray 411 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: I brought home that I was not allowed to keep. 412 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: And I've brought home a lot of strays. And you know, 413 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: there were those times you'd walk around and people had 414 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: signs of free kittens, and every time I got to Lee, 415 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, they were giving kittens away. I had kittens 416 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: I had dogs. Every animal I ever had was a 417 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: rescue or a stray or one that was being given away. 418 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: In other words, adopt, don't shop. Yeah, it was something 419 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: we lived within our family from the time I was 420 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: very very little. And I love what the Chargers do 421 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: with respect to animals. And you know, anytime you need 422 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: me to push out something that you all are doing, 423 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: it would be my privilege and pleasure to do so. 424 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: Just like earlier in the conversation where you were going 425 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: to talk about something that I then brought up, you 426 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: just brought up something that I was going to bring up, which, yes, 427 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: is the Chargers involvement in that they held a dog 428 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: draft this spring. You did promote it, so thank you. 429 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: They've also teamed up with a nonprofit, Key nine Companions 430 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: to follow a puppy, appropriately named Bolt, on his journey 431 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: to becoming an assistance dog. They're one of just a 432 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: few teams that now has incorporated this into their community platform. 433 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: How cool is it to see teams get involved in 434 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: initiatives like this. I love it, love it, love it, 435 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: love it. I have the great, great pleasure and privilege 436 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: of working with Tony LaRussa and his Animal Rescue Foundation 437 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: and one of the things Tony says all the time, 438 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: and we say at ARF is people rescue animals, and 439 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: animals rescue people. Yeah, and I just love what the 440 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: Chargers are doing. I love what other teams are doing. 441 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: And in terms of animals rescuing people, you just mentioned 442 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: Bolt and the assistance dog program that is so so 443 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: so special. We have dogs at our working with veterans 444 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: with PTSD and that the help they offer these veterans 445 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: is tremendous. Oh and one of the veterans suffering from 446 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: PTSD very very adorably set at one point because every 447 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: all the veterans we're asking for companions, and he said, 448 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: is it okay if I have a cat? And I 449 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: just love that he wanted a cat as a companion 450 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: and asked and it was a wonderful moment. And then 451 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: down in the Carlsbad area is a tremendous, tremendous program 452 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: where they're teaming up horses with veterans with PTSD. So 453 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: my point is all of this is magnificent. What the 454 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: Chargers are doing is magnificent. Your promotion of this is magnificent. 455 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: And I will be honored to assist you in any way. 456 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: I can. That is so cool. Horses never ever would 457 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: have thought of that. That is awesome. Oh they're good. 458 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: I had a horse for many, many years, and we 459 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: did something with autistic children, teaming them up with horses, 460 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: and it was tremendous. My horse, who was like had 461 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: to have been one of the most skittish horses ever, 462 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: would just spook at a feather or a shadow, would 463 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: stand like a statue. When these children climbed all over him. 464 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: It was like he understood them, and it was a 465 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: tremendous bond. That's really special. All right, last couple of 466 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: ones here. I know you're a big ice cream fan, 467 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I love you. Who doesn't love 468 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: ice cream at the end of the day. I know 469 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: it's hard. You've said to pick a flavor, favorite flavor, 470 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I should say, but what's in your freezer right now? Well, 471 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't ever pick a favorite because there's too many 472 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: which to choose. I will tell you here it is. 473 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: I've been probably way to talk too talkative, way too talkative, 474 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: much too talkative, That's what I'm trying to say. Probably 475 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: much too talkative. Had a lot of caffeine this morning, 476 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: so I will just have to be a little more 477 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: talkative now and tell you I've got twelve flavors in 478 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: the freezer right now. Twelve. I'm not exaggerating twelve. If 479 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: I was by the freezer right now, i'd screenshot it 480 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: for you. So I'm not going to name the flavors, 481 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: but i will tell you this, Every flavor I always 482 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: have has something in it. I don't go for the 483 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: plain flavors. I like things with nuggets and bits and 484 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: chips and swirls and worlds. I like ice cream with 485 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: things in it, little texture, yeah, okay. And then lastly, 486 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: is there ever such a thing as too much whip 487 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: cream on top? No? Yep, Never too much whip cream, 488 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: Never too many sprinkles, never too many top things. That 489 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: is the right answer. A girl after my own heart, Amy, 490 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. This was a 491 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: fabulous conversation. I so appreciate you coming on. Thank you 492 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: for having me. I am such a fan of all 493 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: the work you do. It is really a pleasure to 494 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: join you.