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Speaker 1: all your friends, you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and

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Speaker 1: you've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 1: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoir's martinis.

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Speaker 1: Clebrity Book Club. Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity

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Speaker 1: book Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are alloud. Celebrity book say it loud and poud.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club. Buzz man, I brought the queer foe. Hello, sergeant,

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Speaker 1: best friend, our colonel best friend reporting for duty, Sir,

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Speaker 1: drop all your backs right now, sir, give me ten books. Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Did you want the books perfect bound or saddlestitch? Sir? Saddlestitch?

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Speaker 1: Please stitching now, sir? Oh yeah, I love this stitching.

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Speaker 1: It's really um not turning me on at all, because

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Speaker 1: on when I'm in service personally, when I toured. Um, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up, Stephen, Hey, what's up my fellow American, My

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Speaker 1: fellow goddamn American, my patriotic friends. I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into We'll talk about America a lot this episode,

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Speaker 1: season still, he called it. Not to Bratt. We went

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Speaker 1: Girls ocause there's a new season. I need to watch that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's so um. And then this week we read before um,

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Speaker 1: about none other than Trailblazer, international spy hacktivist, former Army private,

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Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning read me dot text txt. It's a little

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Speaker 1: part of her huge cash, which she doesn't even talk

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488
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Speaker 1: reaches out to all these different newspapers and no one listens.

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Speaker 1: Trip very famous you know in the king community for

492
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Speaker 1: being like literally an asshole because he actually just like

493
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Speaker 1: exposed her and gave her up immediately when she like

494
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Speaker 1: thought that he was her friend. I know, he so

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Speaker 1: mysteriously died in like twenty eighteen, and I am just like,

496
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Speaker 1: was he assassinated? No, No, She's like, it's actually really

497
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Speaker 1: sad he had to chose the addiction and he died.

498
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit like, You're like, huh, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem because and now I'm totally suspicious after reading

500
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Speaker 1: this book because the government, because I'm also spy, I've

501
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: always really been to conspiracy theories. I'm like totally weird

502
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: like that. Um, But you know, I think also her

503
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: leak deciding to leak was also her just being like

504
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: I've also had like enough of being like closeted. Yeah,

505
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: and I need to like do something. I'm like, I

506
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: can't get hormones and I have to buzz my head

507
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: and I have to like wear my gross digital camou.

508
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: She's always making fun of the digital cameo, being like

509
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Speaker 1: what are we trying to blend into? I know, which

510
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: was so funny unless you're trying to like blend into

511
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: your windows ass like desk chair, Like why the digital camo?

512
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Sli, But it's just so funny how

513
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: she was so desperate. I mean, I feel like she

514
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: was just so desperate for like a change and something

515
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: in her life and to get away because of like

516
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: her traumatic childhood that like they she got offered before

517
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Speaker 1: she even goes to Iraq, like this amazing other job

518
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Speaker 1: where she would have been in DC, and she would

519
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Speaker 1: have and then you know, then the whole leak would

520
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Speaker 1: have never happened. She would have never been exposed to

521
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Speaker 1: the Iraq in the same way. And Ben like this

522
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: is pointless and I need to like expose the government.

523
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: But instead, and here's the thing, it's because she wanted

524
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Speaker 1: to make her father proud, and but She also was like,

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Speaker 1: if I one day want to run in politics, it'll

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Speaker 1: be better to have yeah a tour, like yeah, no,

527
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Speaker 1: she wasn't a little booda judge where she was just like, no, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I do stand for our country and you're like, okay, random, wow,

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Speaker 1: And you know she did run for senate, which she

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Speaker 1: mentions in half a sentence at the very out of

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Speaker 1: the book, and so and now I'm leaving my life

532
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Speaker 1: and I ran for senate, and I do hope to

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Speaker 1: create more music, and I hope you're well, I have

534
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Speaker 1: to go. It's a little like, okay, just gonna go

535
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: gloss over that, but that's fine. I just feel like

536
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Speaker 1: combined one with just she So she I mean to

537
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Speaker 1: go back to the conversation with her father. She's like

538
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Speaker 1: going to community college or working in Starbucks and talks

539
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Speaker 1: to her dad on the phone and he convinces her

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Speaker 1: to join the Navy, and she's literally like, well, this

541
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Speaker 1: is the only thing in the world I will make

542
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Speaker 1: my father proud, so I have to do it. And

543
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: then her only piece of rebellion was going into the Army,

544
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Speaker 1: not the Navy, because the Navy office was close and

545
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: she was like this is how I can rebel by

546
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Speaker 1: joining the army, and my dad like will be a

547
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Speaker 1: little and it's just like at one of those like

548
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Speaker 1: sad suburban like mall like abandoned mall recruitment centers, and

549
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: it's just like, no one's at the Navy door. And

550
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: the Army is so excited because it is just so

551
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: sell your knives, sleeping such a pramid scheme in there,

552
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and like they're like joshing with her and being like, no,

553
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: literally we get that you're like a fully gay, but

554
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: like join and don't write it down. And then later

555
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: on so she's like, you know, at all these like

556
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: US stations and then yeah, it's gonna get this amazing job.

557
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, I do want to run and

558
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Speaker 1: be a Buddha jedge. But that kind of is like

559
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Speaker 1: in the back of her mind, I think it's like

560
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: maybe something, but it's more about just like I think

561
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Speaker 1: it's just I need to escape myself. I need to

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Speaker 1: escape myself. And then you know, she was like, you know,

563
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't even think about my gen during the military

564
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: because it was so I was so fucking exhausted and

565
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: busy and getting screamed at and doing pushups and like

566
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: working that there was just no time to even like

567
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Speaker 1: every right, I feel like it was this like other

568
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Speaker 1: attractic to like not deal at all, So I'll push

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Speaker 1: it aside. You know. It's the same reason I always

570
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: say people go into the Peace Corps to avoid being

571
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: gay exactly enjoy I mean or even why Pete to

572
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Judge went into the army to avoid being being gay. Um.

573
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: And then she like does get this boyfriend who goes

574
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: to MT and like she's so obsessed with Cambridge and

575
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: MT and it is just so like, oh, it was

576
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: so cool, like we would just like do physics problems

577
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: for fun and play D and D for hours and

578
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: listen to more Massive Attack and order more Subway and

579
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: like okay, so that the boyfriend is like doing this

580
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: thing where he's kind of he's there but he's not.

581
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: There's so many Facebook messages and it's so and so

582
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: many wall and like just being like and then he

583
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: wrote on my wall being like I like think in

584
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: a view or something, and it's like she's fully like

585
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: hacking stationed in a RAQ just like like drawing maps

586
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: that are like resulting in the depths of like civilians. No,

587
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: it is so like yeah, and I'm drawing like hey

588
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: miss you, but then also like not still dating. It's

589
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: like what, no, what the boyfriend was being annoying and

590
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: was so like she would be like, yeah, he wouldn't

591
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: respond to my Facebook messages. But then with like post

592
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: from a donast don't tell, like protesting Cambridge with a

593
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: pin that's an Army wife that and I was like,

594
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: now I'm pissed at that really really took me out

595
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: the Army wife pin. I was like, Dylan, you're just

596
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: using virtue signally using Chelsea to be like, oh yeah,

597
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: isn't it crazy. I'm actually have a partner in the

598
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: army right now. But then like Chelsea is literally at

599
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: like two am and bag Dad just like waiting for

600
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: one message and there's nothing there. So yeah, I felt

601
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: that that Dylan was fake and I'm going to call

602
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: him out right now. Fuck him. It's also probably hard

603
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: to like date someone and to be an army wive.

604
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Oh I know how hard it is to be because

605
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: I've seen five seasons of Army wif Yes, to tell

606
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: everyone are we have a huge experience with the military,

607
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: and that's yeah, watching all thirty seasons of Army wives. Um.

608
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: I used to have a turtle named after two of

609
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: the characters, Claudia Joy. Claudia Joy and Major Holden. I

610
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: wanted to read one quote of like just her fun

611
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: online life of just like being a total like freak online. Yeah,

612
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: because like that was and so it's just fun because

613
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: yes she's hacking and like exposing all these things, but

614
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: she would also just spend so much time just like

615
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: trying to fuck with a random like religious website. Yeah,

616
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: my chan betties and I were baby edge lords. The

617
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: term for this kind of cynical, juvenile and often insince

618
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: or Internet ural hadn't been invented yet, but you could

619
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: see the seeds and some of what's developed into the

620
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: modern Internet. We created new terms to describe our new concepts,

621
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: like memes, clap as, fear, and malaser dawn down vote,

622
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: fire in Malayser, I think, Okay, what does fire in malayser?

623
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Speaker 1: I mean, so a laser is um it's a sort

624
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: of a futuristic weapon that you might see like in

625
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: a gun, a laser gun. Okay, so if you were

626
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: to fire it, that would actually shoot the laser. But

627
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: still I want to fuck things up. I became a

628
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: troll on Christian evangel of the websites and creationist discussion forms.

629
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I'd sign up, spend a while talking like them and

630
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: integrating myself in their community. I'd share Christian memes. Sometimes

631
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I'd even copy and paste comments from others sites, so

632
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I got the tone just right, all fire and brimstone moralizing.

633
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Then once I was in, sometimes so in i was

634
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: giving moderator status, I'd drop an opinion like actually I

635
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: think evolutionist legit, and a flame war would start. I'd

636
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: get kicked off within a couple of days, and I

637
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not being an edge lord enough. I

638
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: know I love her just like making these fake accounts

639
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: at some christom website, like solely because she's been like, yeah,

640
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: fuck Christianity. I'm like, fuck them for being so anti lgbtqum.

641
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: Let me just like thread this quick needle on her

642
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: and why I do like her so A, She's consequential

643
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: and I think that people don't give her and wiki

644
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Leaf for the next credit for essentially like starting the

645
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: Arab Spring. We don't talk about this enough, but like

646
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: part of the cables that were released in that huge

647
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: release revealed all this stuff about the Tunisian real family

648
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: that got people in Tunisia very angry, and like that's

649
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: that first guy like self immolated in Tunisia like started

650
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: their revolution, and then like all the other revolutions across there,

651
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: a world started and like that's literally can we all

652
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: trace back to Chelsea Manning? And it's like she's not

653
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 1: even sitting here taking so much credit for that. She's

654
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: not taking so much credit for like, you don't know,

655
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: changing the way that like people think about the military

656
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and transparency like post her like about like eroding support

657
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: for the record, et cetera. It's like she she wants

658
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: no credit for that. All of the major figures of

659
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: this story, Fucking Julian Assange, Hillary Clinton's lying ass That

660
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: was also just cybar That was just and it wasn't

661
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: even in such a like insane chapter about Hillary. Was

662
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: just so perfect about how dumb fucking Hillary That's what

663
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, but she was just like yeah, and

664
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Hillary said I was like treasonous and like put lives

665
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: in danger. And then like in emails to so many

666
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: like foreign service people, was like actually every literally no

667
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: one's everyone's, no one's life is in danger. It's like

668
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: all these people Snowden, like she doesn't like talk about that.

669
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: She maybe mentions them each for like one line, Like

670
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: she does not focus on all of these like broader

671
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: narratives that everyone has been talking about. She's not like

672
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: giving you her opinion about everything. She's not ultimately being

673
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: that political other than saying she believes in transparency. She

674
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: isn't proselytized. She's not like path judgment, She's not idolizing anyone.

675
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I find that to be very impressive

676
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: and refreshing and like makes her case that much more

677
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: powerful and makes the information that she revealed like stand

678
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: on its own because she does not at all seem

679
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: like someone and I think post her getting out, she

680
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: has mostly resisted. I think what I'm sure are many

681
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: opportunities to be like a total like famous liberal girl

682
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: boss Markle, like you know handcast with like finks and

683
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: she's and she's literally having her book launch at three

684
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: dollar bill and like being so queer and being like

685
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: a DJ and know she's stayed being queer and she's

686
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: like djaying on Thursday, like but she's not like djaying

687
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: the LGBT Center like in honor of like Starbucks Day

688
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: exactly of you know, so she she is authentically like

689
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: she stayed turn a spy girl, um and I and

690
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: also calls out which a lot of people are forgotten.

691
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: She was just like people thought like the Iraq War

692
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: was like oral George Bush, but just like Obama captain

693
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: exactly know, I mean, I mean she is literally, like

694
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: I think, like a huge reason why there is any

695
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: if any like uh descent against Obama on the left

696
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: at all of people just being like, well, he actually

697
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: has responsible for like drone bomb, like so many people

698
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: even though he is still mostly worshiped. Um okay, okay.

699
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: And then one last thing. We just talked about the

700
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: fact that she did semi name herself after Chelsea. But

701
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: then it's just like, oh now it's gentrified as in

702
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Oh no, I know though, no, but ultimate's

703
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: insane that clearly she was like this Oklahoma City girl

704
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: that like read about Chelsea Manhattan and it being like

705
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: so cool in the eighties and it's like, yeah, Chelsea's

706
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: this really cool neighborhood with tons of gay bars and

707
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: gay the queer scene is thriving. I played under the

708
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: name Chelsea in video games a decade before and it

709
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: was a neighborhood in Manhattan full of dance clubs where

710
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: queer people could feel totally at home and normal and welcome. Now,

711
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: of course the neighborhood is completely unrecognizable fucking gentrification. It's

712
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know, Chelsea, I feel like

713
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: out of all like gay Dibberts has been gentrified. Like

714
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, if there's twenty ten, you could be like,

715
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I know it. Chelsea is like a

716
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: few years older than us. It's kind of like I

717
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: would say, for most of our lifetime it's been yeah,

718
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: pretty gentrified. But is there anything else? I don't know.

719
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean, just like so much happened, just like a

720
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: way like she dealt, just like her prison wasn't completely insane,

721
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: and they they were like, I mean, people do know this.

722
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: This was all on the news, so maybe this isn't

723
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: as important. I will say, yeah, I was. I was

724
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: moving a little bit faster through the whole trial portion

725
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: of the book because that was more stuff that's it's

726
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: like I know what happened, and yeah, so the early

727
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: stuff and just like it's I just want to say,

728
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: it's so cute how her aunt has like steadfast like

729
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: supported her and would like send her Chuck Taylors like

730
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: in jail basically, like it was like she knew my style. No,

731
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: she's been very My uncle who sent me a Barbie

732
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: for Christmas when it was five, when I asked an

733
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: whole family for barbies, and my mom sent out a

734
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: letter saying, don't send him barbies. Wow. Yeah. Well, and

735
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: my mom was also anti Barbie, but like in a

736
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: much more because she's so second wave of feminism and

737
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: was like, it's bad standards forward exactly, it's unattainable beauty.

738
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: And my like Italian grandmother like went out and like

739
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: got us barbies, but like nuts still discount barbies, like

740
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: they weren't actually barbies. They were like Farbies, not the Farbies. Yeah,

741
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and then my mom was like, and then I actually

742
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: did accept barbies as an amazing way for creative outlets. Hey,

743
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: club kids or should I say swifties. Here's a clip

744
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: from this week's vip Lounge, where we give you a

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00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: full breakdown of every track on Midnight's the new Taylor

746
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: Swift album. I really do love Maroons though, okay Maroon

747
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: and I actually can't listen to Maroon because their chorus

748
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: is too is too stupid to me, so scarlet that

749
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: it was maroon, Like that doesn't make sense. It's so

750
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: so one color that it was a different, like slight

751
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: another color that's slightly similar. It's just like, that's not

752
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: how colors work. I just subscribe to the whole thing

753
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com, slash CBC, the pod segments, dot txt,

754
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: how dot she live, how dot she where? How dot

755
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: she chow? She loves to say, chow keeps a military thing.

756
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: Military time. It was like all we can think about

757
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: was chow. All right, what does she eat? Well, not

758
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: rations anymore. She loves fast food. She loves fast food, Starbucks, Subway, meatball,

759
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: sub burgers. I mean, I feel like it's also like

760
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: you're getting absolute trash and then you can get Subway.

761
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what's around you. But she is

762
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: to me very six inch tune of vee. She's kind

763
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: of veggie delight. She's tuna salad sub to me. So

764
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: she's the jarrot vocal. Yeah. I also think she loves

765
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: robertas because she's so Bushwood. I guess that's my question

766
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: is how much has she embraced like she she gentrafi

767
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: fee Cultura in Brooklyn, where she lives now um as

768
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: a DJ Activists podcast listener. Maybe she'll see you're out there,

769
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: like or is she is still just because I just

770
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Red built an addiction that dies

771
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: hard in the grave and it's just like you like

772
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: you can't shake that, and like she still is just

773
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: being like trying to gain access to a server like

774
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: while down in some pincho while having a contrap supreme.

775
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Okay to me, she I think is kind of like

776
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Bushwick person who is from the suburbs who like still

777
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: stands Dominoes, Taco Bell and Diet Coke, but like does

778
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: love going to mid Bushwick restaurants. She's mid, Like, yeah,

779
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: what's such a mid? Like I don't know, just some

780
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: random place on Morgan that like is a little bit neon. Yeah,

781
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: like like a like a medium raman place that mostly

782
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: does take out, like and like maybe went to Ops

783
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: for her birthday. I don't think she went to Ops

784
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: for her birthday, although I guess it's like, yeah, why

785
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't she because like some like faggot whatever. Yeah, it's like, babe, Chelsea,

786
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: you haven't had Ops. And she's like, uh, no, do

787
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: you remember a little thing called solitary confinement that I

788
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: was in and they're like, girl, we're taking you. Okay,

789
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: all right, maybe I will see her at ops tonight.

790
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I can also see her being a little more takeout

791
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: because but I think she's just a little bit more

792
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: take on medium ramen Um, yes, okay, what does she wear?

793
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: She wears Chucks. She's I mean, now, I will say

794
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: she's definitely like looking her hottest. I think I feel

795
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: like the pictures I'm seen her are always like her

796
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: feet or like her hands, or like she's being very

797
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: like face, but like she's not being giving you like

798
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: a full fit pick. I feel like, I guess it's

799
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: like parts, Well, that's why we need to see teacher.

800
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: But I feel like her hair is being so like

801
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: waves straightened. She is a trans girl programmer, so it's

802
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: like she's gonna be nerdier. It's gonna be nerdy. She's

803
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: gonna be like those tights with like I feel like

804
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: she is those horizontal stripe tights, well that Alice in

805
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Wonderland and like and then it's like skirt overtights with

806
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: hoodie and then like, wait, you're talking like black and

807
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: white horizontal stripe like or red or red and white

808
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: like so like fully sent Marks. I think, like it's

809
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: that on weekend, but she is like, what do you think?

810
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: She's very Saint Marks. She is, but I think she's

811
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: also still a little like as she calls her Brooni

812
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: Cone Factory, because I think she like also randomly sometimes

813
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: wants to be like professional and is like finding herself

814
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: between the hot topic and that she goes. I went

815
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: to bern and Co Factory for purple coat. That's so far.

816
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I bought makeup. I wanted to buy business schedual outfits,

817
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: so I try and close it nord Storm and Bloomingdale's. Um.

818
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: I went home and put on my new clothes in

819
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: a long blonde wig. But I just feel like she

820
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: has your right. She has the Saint Mark's tights, but

821
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: then also has such a weird pea coat from Berlin

822
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: Co Factory and I will some office blouse. Yeah, there's

823
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: office glasses, there's weird pea coats. There's because a lot

824
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of it's like again, and she's extremely superman. She's like

825
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: fully from Oklahoma, and she's also only been out in

826
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: the real world for a few years and she's still

827
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: just being like I want to be a woman. I

828
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: want to be a professional woman. Like where does a

829
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: business lady go get her business lady outfits? Like she

830
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: goes to Britton. Business woman is Robbie, Michelle has scho

831
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: union businesswoman. We would like the businesswoman special, but I

832
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: think most of the time she's just being like activist

833
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: Saint Mark's like skirt overtights with hoodie yeah I first, yeah,

834
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: and like a kind of a like a kind of

835
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: a funky glasses. When I say funky glasses, I mean

836
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: like Connecticut funky with like a kookie mom like red green,

837
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: like a colored less oh frame, like big huge grandma

838
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: glasses like when she's reading. I don't know, it's like

839
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: also she's beause No, they're more like narrow library. Yeah,

840
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: like weird, like weird like non cadi like weird glasses.

841
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: That's interesting, That's right. Okay, Well we'll go to busher

842
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: because I think she alters might be Warby because again,

843
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: like she's getting out in the world and someone is

844
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: telling her that like Warby is the cool place to go. Okay,

845
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm literally looking at a photo of her right now

846
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, Oh, I see are so lescrafters. This

847
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: is why I'm saying they're lensclfs. Are they're weird? Oh wait,

848
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: and she's wearing the ultimate Saint Mark's hat here, the one.

849
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I know we're cheating, but like, I'm sorry she is. Yeah,

850
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: but this hat she's wearing, that's being like kind of

851
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: motorcycle with little pins. I don't know what photo you're

852
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: looking at. I'm just describing the photos. It's like the

853
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: motorcycle hat style of hat. All right, let's go to

854
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: how does she live? How does she live? The question

855
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: is like how fucking messy and quiero is it how

856
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: much calor's on the or or is it like is

857
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: she being more minimal now in this way where it's

858
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: like you know when you go to a spy's house

859
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: and there's nothing. I think it's like minimal because it

860
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: is spy. I feel like it's a computer bad literally

861
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: like most simple black coffee table for my key. She

862
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: living in like a new condo in Bushwack? Or is

863
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: she living in like or or did like I feel

864
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: like it? Or it's like a friend like her Aclu

865
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: friend like found her an apartment in fortune Chase strongio

866
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: who I have gossip about by the way, okay, Chase gossip.

867
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: I feel like someone's mom is like best friends with

868
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: his mom. Yeah, and that's why I have the gossip.

869
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: Okay him tea um open source bitch um. Okay, this

870
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: might be crazy to say. I can't actually feel like

871
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: she doesn't live in Bushwick but like likes to hang

872
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, well, I think she's Teja in Bushwick,

873
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: but that she is living This is what I'm saying.

874
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: So I think like trade Strongio got her like a

875
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: one bedroom in Fort Green that's just like minimal and

876
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: there's only three other units in the building and she

877
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: can have the privacy she needs. Yeah, and it's like, oh,

878
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: and you're and I think it's halfway between messy queer

879
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: and a minimalist spy. So it's like minimalist, messy spy queer.

880
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: So it's like and I think there's times where like

881
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: the taco bell, like where we're calling out the Robertos

882
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: take out is piling up because raman take out. She's

883
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: been so like interview, open source, and then like I

884
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: feel like she's and just like and she's like playing whatever,

885
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: like Fortnite with like a headset for like oh yeah,

886
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: there's controllers, very very apex legends and just like yeah

887
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: she has like all and like there's honestly there's stuffed

888
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: animals in there. I disagree. I don't think there's such

889
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: sentimental childhood things after she had such a horrible childhood.

890
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, they're like new Japanese like anime.

891
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh like I mean maybe there's a Cause Dole like

892
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: I could, Yeah, some fungo pops and cause, but like

893
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: not a soft any bear from childhood. And like also

894
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: now she's like apparently dating Grimes. I mean, who knows

895
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: that that's true. I feel like that was a rumor

896
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: six months ago and I haven't hear. Um, who are

897
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: you in the book? Um? I definitely think we both

898
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: have like Chelsea parts of Chelsea in us, the punk

899
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: side to the Starbucks side. But I also um see

900
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: myself as Chelsea's like sisters getting married at Tropicana and

901
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: is like, I'm worried about you. Why did you join

902
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: the army? That's so weird? Yeah, I really want you

903
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: going to get married at the Las Vegas That's what

904
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: I hope for you. I mean, I'm obviously not her

905
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: like evil the admin girl um in Iraq, but just like,

906
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: am I just like one of these other like random

907
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: brunette Chica's like in Iraq, who's just like fucking one

908
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: of the other like cops there, Oh yeah, who's just

909
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: being like going over to Chelsea to tell the drama. Yeah,

910
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: you're in the Pam and Jim Oh when she describes

911
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: like which had that birthday party where she's like and

912
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: like only girls came because like obviously, but then she's like, um, yeah,

913
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: guys started showing up to my office party because literally

914
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: there were women. I say this book is really good

915
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: because it's again, it's like one of those people where

916
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: you're really like you really did something, like you Yeah,

917
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you really deserve to have a memoir.

918
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: Really another fucking memoirs that come out every day. I'm like,

919
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: if anyone gets a memoir, it's you, bitch. I know.

920
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: This is the second person who's worked at Starbucks that

921
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: we've read, the first being Chasten and Buddha Judge, and

922
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: I just found this to be a much more substantive

923
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: journey with a lot more views and a lot more action. Honestly,

924
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: and as I was saying, I do really respect to

925
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of like the line that she's taken in her

926
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: politics and like where she lands in this book. At

927
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, there's part of you that like,

928
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: there's part of me reading it that wanted so much

929
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: more because I was like that, but I feel like

930
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: she still is in this place that's like, I'm so

931
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: traumatized from already everything I literally leaked, right, so maybe

932
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leak anymore. Yeah, I mean the part

933
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: where she was just like she was like and I

934
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: totally respect ed about at Snowden, she was like. The

935
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: problem was that came at a weird time for my

936
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: trial because then all the reporters left and kind of

937
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: started covering him, and I'm like, that's really funny. But yeah,

938
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, I do wonder like I'd love

939
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: to hear more about like what she thinks about I

940
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know, like the world. And she didn't really say

941
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: much about a song either. That's why I find like

942
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: very respect bull about her book is that she's not

943
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: she literally like there's literally one page about and she's

944
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: talking the whole time just being like I think I

945
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: was talking to him when I was talking, like this

946
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: is your book we don't need to make this about him, No,

947
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: this is this is your book, And she's going to

948
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I'm again like she's letting

949
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: what happened speak for itself, and she's letting the information

950
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: speak for itself, and she's not gonna like get into

951
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: all the other characters and like the same thing with

952
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: the Hillary and Obama and Snowdon and all the other

953
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: But again, I'm I just left me a little bit like, well,

954
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: what does she think now? Truly, because she keeps on

955
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: saying all I care about is keeping civilians alive and

956
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: information being open. It's like, oh, but why do you

957
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: care about information being open? What's the idea behind that?

958
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: Because you know, Snowdon is pretty he's much more like

959
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Snowdon is in exile, he's in Russia, a

960
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Solange is in prison, and like in both of them,

961
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: Pam Anderson is trying to get a slunge out and

962
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: both of them are too are like sound off on issues.

963
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: I would say more often it's like she like ran

964
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: for Senate, but then it's kind of does like, oh,

965
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm actually a teach. But it's also a guy,

966
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: like she's a trauma. Ta. She doesn't, you know, she

967
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: doesn't owe us that, so but yeah, it does. It

968
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: makes you wonder, I think, is what we've both landed on.

969
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: And I would say, also, yeah, the book is definitely

970
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: super interesting in the beginning. All the trial stuff is

971
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: a little less interesting because it kind of happened kind

972
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: of a similar to the amount of Knox story where

973
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, okay, yes, but it's like I

974
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: feel like she thinks, oh, this is what people want.

975
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: But it's like, what I loved is hearing about you

976
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: firing a prodigy on an iPad nano uploading files on

977
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: Browne Cofactory's own secure Wi Fi. Right, and what I

978
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: need more of is a full detailed description of the

979
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: menu at your sister's wedding at the Trump Okay, but

980
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: I do give this book four out of five available ports. Okay, wait,

981
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: sorry I call I give this four point seven Chuck

982
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: tailers out of four point seven little tiny felt motorcycle hats. Wow, Okay,

983
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: crazy crazy mathematic there. Um, All right, Well this was

984
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: literally tons of fun and educational. Thank you so much.

985
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: We're always talking about nine to eleven, but not the

986
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: Iraq War. Thank you. That's so true. And specifically, our

987
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: podcast is always talking about nine eleven, but never That's

988
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, not we as a people. I'm saying

989
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: you and me are always eleven that and it's like,

990
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: let's get down to brass tacks. Okay um. Thank you

991
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: Chelsea for your service to the world and for reading

992
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: this interesting book. Thank you, Chelsea, I'm saluting I salute

993
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: you private man. Now I'm chest mumping you at our

994
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: office party and by Dad Best Best Celebrity Book Club

995
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,759
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996
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997
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998
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999
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