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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things the

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Speaker 1: election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck. We talked

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Speaker 2: about a Wall Street Journal about behind closed doors. Biden

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Speaker 2: is slipping that story that got a lot of attention,

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Speaker 2: but I actually think it buried the more consequential story.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I am an old man. I read the

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Speaker 2: print newspapers every morning. And I gotta tell you the

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Speaker 2: only negative thing, Buck, I can say about the Florida

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Speaker 2: Gulf Coast, the area where I spent try to spend

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Speaker 2: as much time as I can, the Rosemary Beach Alice

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Speaker 2: Beach area. They no longer deliver newspapers on that entire

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Speaker 2: area of the Florida Gulf Coast. And I got a

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Speaker 2: notice that Saturday they will no longer deliver news to

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Speaker 2: my house here in Nashville, And it's got me worried.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how many other people out there

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Speaker 2: still enjoy walking out and getting a physical copy of

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Speaker 2: the newspaper every morning. And I'm forty five, and I

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Speaker 2: well understand that I am basically the only person who

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Speaker 2: still gets print newspapers every time I get on an airplane,

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Speaker 2: I'm terrified of getting stuck on the airplane and not

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Speaker 2: having anything to read. I'll go on with like six

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Speaker 2: or seven newspapers just stacked up. You ever see me?

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Speaker 2: And yes, I still fly Southwest Airlines. You ever see me?

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Speaker 2: I try to sit in the front row so I

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Speaker 2: a Southwest Airlines flight that I'm on, They're probably You're

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Speaker 2: probably gonna see me with a stack of like six

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Speaker 2: or eight newspapers, and the flight attendants it's like they

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Speaker 2: don't even know what to do with the newspapers. I'm

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Speaker 2: always the only person with them. I bring this up

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Speaker 2: because I still enjoy seeing how stories are placed prominently

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Speaker 2: what do editors think? And I also like this areendipity

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Speaker 2: of seeing stories that I might not otherwise find if

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Speaker 2: I'm only being fed from an algorithm, what the algorithm

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Speaker 2: thinks I want.

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Speaker 1: To be to see.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if anybody else is even talking

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Speaker 2: about this, but I texted it to you Buck this

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Speaker 2: morning in alley our production staff. I want to read

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Speaker 2: it to everybody because I don't know if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: hear this about hear this from anybody else. I think

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Speaker 2: this is a huge story. This is the front page

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Speaker 2: of the Wall Street Journal today. This is the open

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Speaker 2: last summer. A small group gathered around the mahogany table

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Speaker 2: in Attorney General Merrick Garland's conference room. The table can

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Speaker 2: Given the sensitivity of the meeting. Special Counsel Robert Hurr,

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Speaker 2: sitting across from Garland, pulled papers out of a folder

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Speaker 2: and read aloud. They were excerpts of a transcript of

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Speaker 2: a recording hit his team had found of President Biden

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Speaker 2: speaking to his ghostwriter in twenty seventeen, shortly after he

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Speaker 2: was no longer Vice president. Quote this is in an

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Speaker 2: audio file. I just found all the classified stuff downstairs,

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Speaker 2: her said, without inflection, repeating Biden's words, according to people

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Speaker 2: briefed on the meeting. As the group set, stunned at

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Speaker 2: the prospect that the president knew he had classified information

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Speaker 2: to receive it, Garland asked more questions. Did the ghostwriter

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Speaker 2: have a lawyer? Is he being cooperative? What comes next?

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Speaker 2: Holy crap? Biden is on tape admitting that he had

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Speaker 2: classified documents and bragging to his ghostwriter that he knew

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Speaker 2: There's no argument that he could declassify them or that

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Speaker 2: to me, and I know we need to get Julie

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Speaker 2: to say about this. At a minimum, if you knew

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Speaker 2: you had classified documents and you were Joe Biden, can

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Speaker 2: you imagine trying to politicize Trump having them? And how

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Speaker 2: in the world does Jack Smith still have classified documents

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Speaker 2: in indictments and cases that he's pursuing against Trump.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: It should be tossed out immediately. Anyone with a functional

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Speaker 3: The two standards is the point. That's the problem, and

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Speaker 3: this is why we're entering a new era in our

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Speaker 3: legal system. I think some people have already said we're

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Speaker 3: but we are now going beyond a rule of law

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Speaker 3: the people. Clay ultimately, who if you presented them with

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Speaker 3: what you just laid out, who still think Trump should

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Speaker 3: They're real. The reality is they just think it's because

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Speaker 3: now throughout our entire this is through our entire legal

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Speaker 3: I don't like that person, so the law is different

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Speaker 3: for them. This is all over the place. It's true

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Speaker 3: with the way that we view we've been treating race

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Speaker 3: under the law. You know, what's a hate crime, what's not?

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Speaker 3: Or hate crime is possible against white people? What's the

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Speaker 3: for interaction? There have been all these changes in the

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Speaker 3: last last hour we were talking about it. They've been

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Speaker 3: building up to this moment in time. Let me just

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Speaker 3: say I had a TSSECI clearance. I understand what the

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Speaker 3: official statutes say about these matters and the way that

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Speaker 3: people are treated in these matters. I know people who

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Speaker 3: have been the subject of classified information investigations personally, it

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Speaker 3: is really not fun for them.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question specifically about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you you're writing a book right now, Yeah, book's

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Speaker 2: soon as you can't go by it. It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you don't miss it. Clay and Buck, we

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Speaker 2: should have our tagline, we actually write our books. You

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Speaker 2: know it is true, we actually write our books. I

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Speaker 2: want to just ask you this because you're talking about

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Speaker 2: the experience. But I want to put you in this

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Speaker 2: this ghostwriter. If you were on tape saying, hey, I

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Speaker 2: which is what Biden is on tape saying to someone

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Speaker 2: that you were your editor and they got that based

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Speaker 2: on what you did. What do you think the government

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would be trying to avoid felony prosecution,

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Speaker 3: how that scenario plays out. Usually classified information prosecutions involve,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know, right, I mean, this is I didn't

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Speaker 3: And you get into this gray area, and it is

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Speaker 3: you say I have in my possession, outside of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just found all the classified stuff downstairs on tape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you would be Look, you could, you

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Speaker 3: could see how this has gone before. General Petraeus, who

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Speaker 2: Not an affair with his biographer, right correct, Yes, probably

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Speaker 2: she's probably at lest as long as she's not hating you,

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Speaker 2: that's probably a way to have a decent biography written.

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Speaker 3: See. But I'm just telling you, like I know, if

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Speaker 3: help with the Buck biography, I'm sure carry's going to

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Speaker 3: He he had classified information though, that he took home

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Speaker 3: classificed information. He was a CI director. He didn't go

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Speaker 3: probably going to prison. That is truth. Everyone who's listening

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Speaker 3: You're probably not for twenty years, but like you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Four years the federal penn I don't understand how Republicans

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, the President of the United States has

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Speaker 2: committed a serious felony willfully. He knew exactly what he

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Speaker 2: was doing with classified documents.

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Speaker 3: He's just such an arrogant jerk too. And let's remember

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Speaker 3: he just thinks the rules don't apply.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, you.

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Speaker 3: See this, by the way, you saw the same thing

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Speaker 2: We're joined now by the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott,

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Speaker 4: We feel a bit different in Texas because listen, we

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Speaker 3: Governor rabbitts Bock, thanks for being here with us yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I'll do it, And in doing so, I want to

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Texas Governor Greg Abbat. I want to

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Speaker 3: Well shut down illegal immigration right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, for one, it has gotten out of hand, and

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Speaker 4: it makes more daunting the process of turning it around.

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Speaker 4: But there's no one in the world with a greater

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Speaker 4: will to get that done than President Trump, and he

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Speaker 4: will do it far more better than anybody else would

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Speaker 4: be able to do that and unravel the harm and

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Speaker 4: damage caused by Joe Biden and restore both normalcy but

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Speaker 4: also the rule of law in the United States of

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Speaker 4: America and make it very clear you try to cross

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Speaker 4: our border illegally, you're going to be sent back to

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Speaker 4: where you came from or otherwise be put in prison

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Speaker 4: for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Mexico governor has just elected a new leftist leader. I

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Speaker 2: think she won by thirty points, but there is talk

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Speaker 2: that she is going to be potentially difficult to deal

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Speaker 2: with on border related issues. I don't know. I believe

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Speaker 2: her name is Claudia Schinbaum, and I might be mispronouncing

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Speaker 2: the last name. Do you have any relationship at all

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Speaker 2: with her on a prior basis? Do you think that

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Speaker 2: she is likely to help or hinder border security issues

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Speaker 2: now that she's coming to power in Mexico.

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Speaker 4: So I don't have any working relationship with or never

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Speaker 4: met her before or anything like that. I think you

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Speaker 4: probably know. She's a protege of Mlow, the current president

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Speaker 4: of Mexico, who has been totally destructive on the border

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Speaker 4: policy under Joe Biden. Remember this, When Donald Trump was president,

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Speaker 4: m Low gave in to Trump's demands the roomant in

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Speaker 4: Mexico policy and things like that, and the reason for

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Speaker 4: it is very simple, and that is the United States

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Speaker 4: of America holds all the cards as it concerns Mexico,

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Speaker 4: and Donald Trump is not afraid to use those cards.

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden refuses to use those cards. But it doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter if it's Shambaum, if it's m Low or whoever

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Speaker 4: the president of Mexico is going to be. Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: will use every lever that the United States has, which

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Speaker 4: is all delivers to make sure that we are not

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Speaker 4: going to be the dumping ground for people who are

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Speaker 4: trying to come here illegally from a loss the entire globe.

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Speaker 2: Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, by the way, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the SEC for your longhorns. I know there's a big

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Speaker 2: celebration coming up soon. You're not only a Vanderbilt lograd.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a big Texas longhorn. Than are you

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Speaker 2: excited for that?

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Speaker 4: Well, of course we are. We enjoyed our foray into

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Speaker 4: the SEC last year when we went to Alabama and

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Speaker 4: beat Alabama, and so we are, you know, hopefully ready

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Speaker 4: with another good team.

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Speaker 5: This year.

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Speaker 4: We will be hosting Georgia in Austin, Texas, which would

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Speaker 4: be one of the big games and of course for

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Speaker 4: Texas as a state, but also I think for the

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Speaker 4: entire country there's going to be a reunification of a

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Speaker 4: game people love to watch, and that's the game between

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Speaker 4: Texas and Texas A and.

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Speaker 2: M no doubt. And by the way, we appreciate your hospitality.

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Speaker 2: You had Buck and I to the governor's mansion when

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Speaker 2: we had Bucked down. Not this past year in Tuscaloosa,

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Speaker 2: but when you guys hosted Bama in Austin. It was

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Speaker 2: a super awesome event you had there.

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Speaker 4: Or you're welcome back for the Georgia game this year.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna come back. You just got to tell me

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Speaker 3: who I root for, Governor. That's the only rule. So

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Speaker 3: you let me know.

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Speaker 4: If you're not wearing burnt orange, you're gonna be in

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Speaker 4: a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, We appreciate the time, Governor.

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Speaker 4: So you guys take care.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four The most Important Tier in

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Speaker 1: politics with Clay Travis end Box Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Good news, bad news out of the legal world. I

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Speaker 3: want to start with that, and there's a lot going

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Speaker 3: on in legal world. This may be the first election

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Speaker 3: that I can think of in my lifetime at least

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Speaker 3: where courtroom drama is basically overshadowing campaign stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's more of a focus on what's happening in courtrooms

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Speaker 3: right now in the news cycle than presidential campaign speeches, events,

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Speaker 3: any of that kind of stuff. We just had the

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Speaker 3: Trump Trial of New York guilty verdict. Whole thing was

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Speaker 3: absurd in saying a terrible blow to the justice system

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Speaker 3: in New York City, that it would be weaponized in

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Speaker 3: the way that it was. Now we got some other things.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the I'll start with the good news.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the good news. We could use a

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Speaker 3: little good news today. The Georgia Court of Appeals. This

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Speaker 3: is for the Rico case by Judge Fannie Willis. The

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Speaker 3: Georgia Court of Appeals has indefinitely paused that case, which

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Speaker 3: I think right now it's on schedule play for March

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. They're gonna be able to and this

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Speaker 3: is about whether Fannie Willis should be able to stay

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Speaker 3: on as the lead prosecutor in that case. So it

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Speaker 3: turned out that Fannie Willis's defiant testimony and her promise

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Speaker 3: is that she paid back what was the guy's name.

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Speaker 3: I'm blaming on the guy's.

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Speaker 2: Name, Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Nathan Wade. Paid back Nathan Wade for in cash,

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Speaker 3: as one does. I've paid all my girlfriends back in

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Speaker 3: cash when they've taken me on state sponsored trip somewhere. Sure, anyway,

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Speaker 3: it looks like she actually may not be able to

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Speaker 3: continue in that role. But more importantly, that case now,

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Speaker 3: I think we can put that one on the Dunzo

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Speaker 3: pile as in it is done. It is finished for now.

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Speaker 3: It is not happening before the election. Quick reaction Clay

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Speaker 3: on this one. It's good news for Trump to.

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Speaker 2: Be sure we got this one right. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think this case will ever go to trial in in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I think what is going to happen is that Fawnie

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Speaker 2: Willis is gonna end up getting removed. They'll have a

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Speaker 2: new DA. Trump is either going to get elected president

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Speaker 2: or he's not. They won't be able to bring the

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Speaker 2: case against him while he is president. And I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of the guts of this case, that is

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Speaker 2: the charges, that is the basis the factual allegations. I

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Speaker 2: think the Supreme Court decision which is coming down in

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Speaker 2: the next few weeks regarding presidential immunity is likely to

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Speaker 2: wipe out Georgia's ability to prosecute, because if you're saying

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Speaker 2: that the federal government can't prosecute based on presidential powers,

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Speaker 2: certainly states camp In other words, if Jack Smith can't

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Speaker 2: bring his Jan six related charges, then no state can

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Speaker 2: bring those charges because it would be enveloped in the

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Speaker 2: presidential privilege in the same way that the federal charges

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Speaker 2: would be. So I think, beyond the shadow of a

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Speaker 2: doubt this case is not happening anything relating to the

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Speaker 2: presidential campaign, but I don't even think it'll exist.

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Speaker 3: I was going to talk about Steve Bennon. We're going

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Speaker 3: to hold off on that for a second here because

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Speaker 3: our friend Miranda Divine, New York Post columnist, author of

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Speaker 3: Laptop from Hell, is at the Hunter Biden trial and

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Speaker 3: she's calling in to give us some updates. Miranda, always

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Speaker 3: great to have you.

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Speaker 6: Hi, great to be clan. But we just have broken

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Speaker 6: for lunch in the middle of Halle Biden's testimony.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with this the biggest I can't say it's

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Speaker 3: a revelation, but is the most important confirmation so far

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Speaker 3: that the FBI has on the record now had to

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Speaker 3: say that, yeah, it turns out the laptop is real,

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Speaker 3: like what has been noteworthy from the trial.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, that was certainly a moment, and especially for

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Speaker 6: The New York Post after we were censored for reporting

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Speaker 6: from the laptop back in October of twenty twenty. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's we know that the FBO authenticated already, but this

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Speaker 6: is a trial exhibit and it is the actual physical laptop.

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Speaker 6: It's a MacBook Pro thirteen silver. It's wrapped in a

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Speaker 6: clear plastic wrapper. And the prosecutor, Derek Hines, picked it up.

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Speaker 6: So this is exhibit number what it was twelve, I think,

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Speaker 6: and he sixteen, And he walks across the court room

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Speaker 6: with it and hands it to the FBI agent sitting

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Speaker 6: in the witness box and says, can you identify this

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Speaker 6: and she says, yes, it's Hunter Biden's I can identify

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Speaker 6: that fight from the serial number. And then later on

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Speaker 6: she says, and we call corroborated its content with the

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Speaker 6: content of the iCloud, which was just you know, this

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Speaker 6: very dramatic moment after almost four years of denial, and

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Speaker 6: you know, fifty one spies former spies saying it was

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Speaker 6: Russian disinformation and a whole lot of lies from Democrats.

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Speaker 6: And I have to say from the other media.

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Speaker 2: How much personal validation, Miranda, do you feel having written

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Speaker 2: a book called Laptop from Hell, which I've read, but

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Speaker 2: really to have seen not only yourself but also the

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Speaker 2: New York Post dragged through the ringer, the all of

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Speaker 2: the allegations that it wasn't true to then just have

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Speaker 2: this laptop introduced, authenticated everything on it's one hundred percent reel,

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Speaker 2: which many of our audience has known for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but lots of people in America still don't know. Did

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Speaker 2: you take personal validation in that? Did it feel like

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Speaker 2: a weight off your shoulders in any way to finally

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Speaker 2: have it indisputably authentic and all of your work one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't actually describe it like that, because there's just

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Speaker 6: never been any doubt that it was authentic. But it

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Speaker 6: does give me a sort of satisfaction to see that

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Speaker 6: now the New York Times, the Washington Post and everything

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Speaker 6: just have to write in a matter of fact way

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Speaker 6: that this is the laptop and it's authentic. And also

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Speaker 6: to see it happening right in the courtroom right in

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Speaker 6: front of Hunter, Biden and Kevin Morris, who have just

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Speaker 6: been throwing shade on this. You know, Hunter saying, oh

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Speaker 6: it could be mine, might have been stolen by Russians,

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Speaker 6: might have been hacked. You know, now that's it, there's

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Speaker 6: no doubt. And the judge in fact this morning was

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Speaker 6: even more emphatic because Abbi lol is still trying to

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Speaker 6: have this little bit of wriggle room and he says, oh,

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Speaker 6: you know what the prosecution is calling the laptop, you know,

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Speaker 6: trying to put some distance between the laptop and reality,

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Speaker 6: and the judge was having none of it. She said, no, look,

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Speaker 6: hard drive, laptop, it's the same thing. Because they kept

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Speaker 6: on trying to talk about a hard drive, and she said,

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Speaker 6: what's on the hard drive is an image of what

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Speaker 6: was on the laptop. So they are one and the same.

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Speaker 6: So that was very good to see that sett in

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Speaker 6: court and sort of slapping down Hunter and his legal

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Speaker 6: team who've been, for their own bizarre reasons, trying to

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Speaker 6: pretend that it's not really Hunter's material on the laptop,

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Speaker 6: or it's not really his laptop.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone privately reached out to you in media and

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Speaker 2: said I'm sorry for the way that I covered this story,

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Speaker 2: I got it wrong.

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Speaker 6: No, No, but you know it would that was a

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Speaker 6: decision made at the top levels of those news organizations.

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Speaker 6: So I don't necessarily blame a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 6: I blame the people like Philip Bump, you know, the columnists,

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Speaker 6: the editorial writers. They don't really blame the reporters on

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Speaker 6: the ground because they're just kind of reporting what they're told.

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Speaker 6: And also, you know, to be kind of the New

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Speaker 6: York Times, for instance, should have done a better job,

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Speaker 6: But they have intelligence sources who misled them, who they

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Speaker 6: were gullible about and trusted. And I think that's at

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Speaker 6: the heart of this story is the cover up, and

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Speaker 6: it comes from the CIA mainly and the FBI as well.

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Speaker 6: But we have seen the shadowy hand of the CIA

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Speaker 6: behind this story and behind the cover up for many years,

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Speaker 6: and that story is still to be told.

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Speaker 3: And also, just to be clear, I know Clay asked

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Speaker 3: about whether anyone has apologized to you from any of

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Speaker 3: these places, but it's my understanding that none of the

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Speaker 3: major news entities that falsely covered the Hunter Bide laptop

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Speaker 3: in the first place have issued any official correct They

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Speaker 3: have they said we were wrong on that.

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Speaker 6: No, never, But did they do that with Russia? Did

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Speaker 6: they hand the Russia russa Russia? Did they hand back

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Speaker 6: the Pulitzers. No, So I don't expect it to me.

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Speaker 6: It's just it's good enough that they are now having

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Speaker 6: to report on the laptop. They just do it seamlessly,

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Speaker 6: you know, without It must be confusing to their readers

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Speaker 6: that they were told that this laptop was Russian disinformation

658
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Speaker 6: and then without blinking an eye, now they're reading in

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Speaker 6: their organs of choice from the left that there is

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Speaker 6: this laptop. It's a trial exhibit.

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Speaker 3: And I just have to ask. I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: you're there for the Hunter trial, which is actually happening,

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Speaker 3: despite it coming very close to being all wiped away

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Speaker 3: and the most special treatment for anybody. I think you

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Speaker 3: could imagine the justice system because it's Joe Biden's son.

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Speaker 3: But what is the defense case really, Because it seems

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Speaker 3: like this is about as straightforward it's illegal to be

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Speaker 3: using illegal drugs and signing off on a form you're

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Speaker 3: buying your gun that says I don't use legal drugs,

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Speaker 3: pretty straightforward. What's the defense position as you can sense

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Speaker 3: it or as you can hear it or see it

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Speaker 3: so far.

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Speaker 6: It's a hyper technical point. And what Abilol is trying

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Speaker 6: to say, and he's pausing the language on the form

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Speaker 6: is it is or is it was? Or is it

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Speaker 6: you know it has been? And he's doing that to

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Speaker 6: say that Hunter Biden believed in his mind that he

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Speaker 6: was not an addict and was not taking drugs at

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Speaker 6: the moment that he starts to cross that box and

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Speaker 6: signed that form.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really highly technical defense. And I'm

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Speaker 2: curious a couple of points here, because you're there Halle

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Speaker 2: Biden or Haley Biden, I'm not sure exactly how her

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Speaker 2: name is pronounced.

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Speaker 1: Holle was Halle.

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Speaker 2: Halle is the widow of Bo Biden, the other son

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Speaker 2: of Joe Biden who died. That he always talks about

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Speaker 2: is if he died while serving the country, But he, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I believe, died of brain cancer when he came back

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Speaker 2: several years later. But Hunter, when his brother died, began

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Speaker 2: to have was it an affair or was he already divorced,

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Speaker 2: I'll ask you for the timeline, but began to sleep

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Speaker 2: with his brother's ex wife, the widow of Bo, and

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Speaker 2: got her to start smoking crack with him. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a crazy story. I think she's testifying to

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Speaker 2: this right now on the stand. Can you tell us about.

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Speaker 6: That she is just a few minutes ago, she was

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Speaker 6: asked by the prosecution, you know, who introduced you to crack?

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Speaker 6: And she says Hunter, and then she says she had

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Speaker 6: very embarrassed and ashamed. It was a terrible time for her,

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Speaker 6: and you know, she wished that it never happened. And

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Speaker 6: so he introduced her to crack and then she got clean.

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Speaker 6: And then there's more evidence that came this morning where

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Speaker 6: text messages where she's saying, you're trying to get me

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Speaker 6: to relapse and he goes yes all the time, and

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Speaker 6: and you know, it's really it's a Delaware tragedy because

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Speaker 6: this is a woman up on the stand who would

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Speaker 6: have been probably the first lady of Delaware at least,

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Speaker 6: if not, you know, the first lady of the United States,

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Speaker 6: because that was very high hopes for Bo Biden, who

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Speaker 6: was the golden child of the Bidens. I mean, he

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Speaker 6: was Joe Biden's pride and joy and Hunter Biden was

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Speaker 6: the black sheep always. They were only a year apart,

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Speaker 6: he and his brother. They sort of adored each other.

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Speaker 6: But also you can tell from the laptop, from all

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Speaker 6: the text messages that Hunter had a huge tip on

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Speaker 6: his shoulder as a sort of loser younger brother. And

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Speaker 6: you know, and of course when his brother died, he

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Speaker 6: just went completely nuts. But he was already you know,

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Speaker 6: taking drugs and doing alcohol before that. But you know,

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Speaker 6: you can see already the shape of the defense to come.

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Speaker 6: Abby Lowle as map Dad and is opening the sob story.

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Speaker 6: And basically so under Biden was a great upstanding guy.

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Speaker 6: As soon as his brother died, everything fell apart, and

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Speaker 6: he and Hollie got together just because they had a

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Speaker 6: shared grief, you know, and the crack was to help

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Speaker 6: him with his grief.

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Speaker 3: So we have to ask them just before we let

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Speaker 3: you go, Brianda, thank you for calling him for us,

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Speaker 3: But did do you have any inclination as to whether

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Speaker 3: this jury based on your reading of them and how

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Speaker 3: this is going so far, are you highly confident Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden will be found guilty or you really don't know?

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Speaker 6: Well, all they need is one juror to believe Abby

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Speaker 6: Lowell's argument about him, you know, the technical argument about

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Speaker 6: not being high when he signed the form and so

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Speaker 6: I kind of think he might get off. Seven out

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Speaker 6: of the twelve jurors were chosen, I guess because they

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Speaker 6: have a drug or alcohol problems in their close family

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Speaker 6: or close friends, so they're sympathetic to this drug thing.

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Speaker 6: And I guess, you know, they seem to be quite studious,

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Speaker 6: and you know, but they're Delawareans, and they're completely aware

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Speaker 6: of the power of the Bidens and it's there in

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Speaker 6: court every day. I mean, Valerie Owens, who's Joe Biden's

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Speaker 6: sister who ran his campaigns for him, is sitting now

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Speaker 6: in the front seat next to Melissa Cohen, Hunter's wife

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Speaker 6: in lieu of Jill Biden. And so I think that

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Speaker 6: was sort of a message to Halle, because I don't

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Speaker 6: think Hallie and aunt val got on that well. So

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Speaker 6: there's always some sort of psychodrama going on in those

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Speaker 6: front rows right behind, right behind Hunter that is understood

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Speaker 6: by people in Delaware and maybe not by outside of.

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Speaker 2: Miranda phenomenal work. We appreciate you making the time today

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Speaker 2: during the lunch break of that trial, any idea quickly

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Speaker 2: as we go out when the verdict might come down,

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Speaker 2: when this case is going to be closed.

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Speaker 6: Till next week. But the defense is saying they're going

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Speaker 6: to rest today. I mean, and then Abby Lowell has

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Speaker 6: got his witnesses, will stop tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Miranda from Hell. Look for her latest at

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Speaker 3: the New York Post. Marina, Thanks so much, Thank.

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Speaker 6: You, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact

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Speaker 1: with Clay and.

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Speaker 2: Buck, doctor Phil joins us. Now, doctor Phil, can you

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Speaker 2: believe And by the way, Philip McGraw, doctor Phil, as

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Speaker 2: you know him, You've got a story coming up on

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Speaker 2: the Trump verdict. We'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But can you believe that four years after all of

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Speaker 2: our schools shut down, so many people out there were

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Speaker 2: not allowed to work, that there's really been no consequences

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Speaker 2: for anyone who got all of this wrong, that all

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Speaker 2: the politicians who stood behind it got reelected, that we

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Speaker 2: basically have never had any reckoning for what I think

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Speaker 2: is the biggest public policy failure in my life and

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Speaker 2: for many people out there other than Vietnam. I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine what you would even consider to be a similar

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Speaker 2: level of public policy failure in the last fifty or

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Speaker 2: sixty years.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's an absolute outrage. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I said at the time, everybody said that was some

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Speaker 5: kind of lunatic, But I said at the time that

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Speaker 5: the mismanagement of this quarantine was going to create more damage,

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Speaker 5: particularly for our young people, than the virus ever would,

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Speaker 5: and that it was abandoning these children in the middle

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Speaker 5: of the biggest mental health crisis that we had ever seen,

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Speaker 5: the highest levels of depression, anxiety, and loneliness. And you know,

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Speaker 5: by the way, when it happened, the referrals for sexual

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Speaker 5: abuse and a molestation and abuse dropped an average of

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Speaker 5: about fifty percent nationwide because the mandated reporters at the schools,

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Speaker 5: the coaches, teachers, counselors, weren't able to keep an eye

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Speaker 5: on these children. We instead abandoned them at home behind

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Speaker 5: locked doors with their abusers. Nobody seemed to even think

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Speaker 5: about that. Nobody's even talked about that. They shut it down.

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Speaker 5: We created a tremendous emotional developmental gap, educational gap. And

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Speaker 5: they knew, and what they said was, well, we did

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Speaker 5: the best we could with what we knew at the time. No,

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Speaker 5: they did not. They did not do the best they

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Speaker 5: could with what they knew at the time. They had

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Speaker 5: a new hammer and everything looked like a nail. So

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Speaker 5: they went around shutting everything down. They ruined family businesses,

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Speaker 5: they ruined the educational system, and now it's all coming

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Speaker 5: out that most of this was made up, no science

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Speaker 5: behind it what soever.

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Speaker 3: Doc Phil, appreciate you being with us here on clay Buck.

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Speaker 3: I know that you have Airingtonnight on merrit Street Media.

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Speaker 3: Trump verdict a judicial travesty. Tell us what this is

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Speaker 3: going to walk through? And we obviously just are all

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Speaker 3: still reeling a bit from the absurdity and also the

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Speaker 3: very dark day of the Trump conviction on this insane case.

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Speaker 3: What are you going through in this documentary? Why should

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Speaker 3: people tune in?

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, I'm not a lawyer. Don't mean to brag,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not. I approached this from a jury standpoint

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Speaker 5: because that's what I spent most of my professional career doing,

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Speaker 5: is working as a trial sciences, trial scientist within the

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Speaker 5: litigation arena. And I'm looking at this in terms of

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Speaker 5: what was the jury presented with here? What did they see?

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Speaker 5: And you know, we've got a case where no one

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Speaker 5: else in the history of New York has ever been

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Speaker 5: brought to on these kind of charges for manipulating records

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Speaker 5: in this context, and these were two different sets of charges.

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Speaker 5: Both were time barred for statute limitations. They only got

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Speaker 5: brought back to life by combining them and coming up

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Speaker 5: with a new theory by which they could be brought

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Speaker 5: up to felony level. He's the only person that's ever

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Speaker 5: been charged in this way. It's by a judge that

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Speaker 5: made contributions to organizations that were dedicated. I mean, their

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Speaker 5: mission statement was to stop the radical right wing Trump agenda.

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Speaker 5: Sort of rhetoric is what they used. His daughter is

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Speaker 5: a fundraiser for the Democrats. A DA who look the

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Speaker 5: American Bar Association says that the mandate for a prosecutor

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Speaker 5: is to seek justice, not convictions. He makes a commitment

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Speaker 5: when he's campaigning that he's going to get Trump. They

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Speaker 5: made so many violations of due process during this trial.

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Speaker 5: All gets into the jury box, all of these things

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Speaker 5: that they get contaminated with, and so for the first

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Speaker 5: time in two hundred and thirty five years, they get

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Speaker 5: a felony conviction against the president with a case that

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Speaker 5: should have never been brought. And I don't think they'll

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Speaker 5: hold it on appeal, even though the Appellate Division in

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Speaker 5: New York reverses about four percent of the time. He

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Speaker 5: may have to go to the federal letter to get

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Speaker 5: up to a reversal, but they don't care because all

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Speaker 5: that will happen after the election. It's interesting that the

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Speaker 5: left is so sensitive about labels that they want to

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Speaker 5: refer to convicted felons as justice involved individuals rather than

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Speaker 5: convicted felons until Trump gets convicted. Now he's a convicted felon.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be interviewing Trump at Mara Lago in

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Speaker 2: the near future, I think next week. I'm curious, how

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Speaker 2: long have you.

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Speaker 5: Known this week? It's this week of airs on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how long have you known Trump on a personal level?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've met him years and years ago, because

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Speaker 2: I know initially Oprah and he were really tight. I

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Speaker 2: think that relationship is a bit fraid, we may say,

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Speaker 2: but I'm curious how long you've known Trump personally?

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Speaker 5: Probably fifteen twenty years. We've known each other, and we

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Speaker 5: you know, we don't have a daily relationship, but we

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Speaker 5: have a we have a good relationship, mutual respect for

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Speaker 5: one another. And I talked to him last night on

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Speaker 5: the phone for a good while, and he understands that

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Speaker 5: I'm going to do an O Hols barred interview and

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Speaker 5: asked the hard questions. But he also knows that I

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Speaker 5: think this was a travesty that I don't think is

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Speaker 5: the case that should have ever been brought. And I

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Speaker 5: think that he got targeted and I think he got

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Speaker 5: really mistreated in the judicial system. I don't think this

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Speaker 5: was motivated by his conduct. I think it was politically motivated.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to doctor Phil. He's got a special airing tonight.

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Speaker 3: Trump verdict a judicial travesty, Doctor Phil work and folks

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Speaker 3: go to to watch this.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, my new network is Merritt Street Media.

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Speaker 5: And all you have to do is go to marrit

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Speaker 5: atstreetmedia dot com and when you open it up, there's

876
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Speaker 5: a homepage says channel Finder. You just click that button

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Speaker 5: and it says put in your zip code and it'll

878
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Speaker 5: tell you what channel it is in your area. Or

879
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Speaker 5: you can go to Apple, the Apple Store or Google

880
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Speaker 5: Play and download Merit Plus and get the app and

881
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Speaker 5: you can watch it for free on your iPad, computer, phone, whatever.

882
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Speaker 5: It's a free app. You just download it and bang.

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Speaker 5: It opens right up and you just hit live and

884
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Speaker 5: it's right there. You can watch it when it airs

885
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Speaker 5: or anytime after that. So the Merit plus app is great, and.

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Speaker 3: It's great that you're putting out this documentary so quickly

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Speaker 3: right after the verdict, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are. You know, there's there's the this is absurd

889
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Speaker 3: feeling that a lot of a I think, doctor Phil

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Speaker 3: and then there's also the oh my god, what's happening

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Speaker 3: to our country feeling? And you know those coexist. I

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Speaker 3: would say myself that co exists in my mind right now.

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Speaker 3: But on the positive side of things, mean, what is

894
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Speaker 3: your level of confidence that more and more Americans are

895
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Speaker 3: waking up to what is being done to Donald Trump,

896
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Speaker 3: who maybe weren't firmly in the Trump camp before.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think I've heard a lot of

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Speaker 5: people say I wasn't in the Trump camp before, but

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Speaker 5: I am now. I've had people tell me they've picked

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Speaker 5: up the computer, got on the computer or the phone

901
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Speaker 5: and made contributions, and well they should, because I can

902
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Speaker 5: tell you this is not about Donald Trump. This is

903
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Speaker 5: about all of our right to do process. This is

904
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Speaker 5: about us not getting hijacked by a weaponized judicial system

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Speaker 5: because people don't like where we stand on issues. Standing

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Speaker 5: in the gap for every one of us. And this

907
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Speaker 5: has to stop. We've got to stop weaponizing the legal system.

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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what happened here. It's come on, it's

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Speaker 5: no coincidence that eight ten years after the fact that

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Speaker 5: right before the election he gets hauled in and convicted

911
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Speaker 5: of these charges, that and thirty four conviction. Look, they

912
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Speaker 5: said it was a felony charge for every invoice check

913
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Speaker 5: and ledger entry, and they did it each month, So

914
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Speaker 5: this is overcharging. It shouldn't have been charged to begin with.

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Speaker 5: It was overcharged when they did it, and it's just

916
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Speaker 5: going to come back to bite them. And I think

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Speaker 5: what they're going to do is sentence him to four

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Speaker 5: more years in the White House, is what they're going

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever publicly say, do you

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Speaker 2: announce how how you're going to vote in presidential elections?

922
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Speaker 2: Have you done it in the past, do you do

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Speaker 2: it now?

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Speaker 5: I have not, And I am a political you know,

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Speaker 5: I am totally a political I talk about cultural issues,

926
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Speaker 5: not political issues. This is the most non productive Congress

927
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Speaker 5: in over fifty years. And as I think about it,

928
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Speaker 5: if that's probably a good thing. We got enough laws.

929
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Speaker 5: I think when they're gridlocked. I feel safer than if

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Speaker 5: they were.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people feel that way. They

932
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Speaker 2: wish that we would just do nothing right, like just

933
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Speaker 2: don't now what's.

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Speaker 3: The physician rule?

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Speaker 5: First, do no harm.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of harm being done by politicians.

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Speaker 5: Boy, I agree, And you know what most people don't

938
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Speaker 5: realize is how much of our lives are impacted by

939
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Speaker 5: non elected officials like Fauci. He's not elected, He's hired

940
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Speaker 5: and appointed and making so many important decisions that we

941
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Speaker 5: all have to live with. And that's got to stop.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, and I know we appreciate the

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Speaker 2: time encourage people to check that out. Why do you

944
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Speaker 2: think so many people in America today are afraid to

945
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Speaker 2: say I got it wrong. If Falci just came out

946
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Speaker 2: and said, you know what, we over protected. We shouldn't

947
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Speaker 2: have made kids wear masks. It was an error that

948
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Speaker 2: we made in retrospect, I wish we could fix it.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would not be happy,

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Speaker 2: but at least they would acknowledge that they got something wrong.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think so few people are willing just

952
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Speaker 2: to admit that they did something or got something wrong.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think it's narcissism, and I think they're

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Speaker 5: protecting their jobs and their book deals and their legacies,

955
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Speaker 5: and it's they're putting themselves ahead of the country and

956
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Speaker 5: that needs to stop. We've got serious problems, and we

957
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Speaker 5: need serious people to deal with those problems instead of

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Speaker 5: folks that are just you know, down there trying to

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Speaker 5: feather their own nest. And I think he's a perfect

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Speaker 5: example of that. And that's the kind of things that

961
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Speaker 5: we're calling people to account at Merritt Street Media. And

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Speaker 5: that's the reason I started this network, frankly, and we're

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Speaker 5: doing exactly that. It's not political. I call them out

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Speaker 5: on both sides and give them a chance to tell

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Speaker 5: their story. And I am interviewing Trump on Thursday. I've

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Speaker 5: got a series of request in to President Biden. I'm

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Speaker 5: interviewing Kennedy. I'm talking to everybody that's got a role

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Speaker 5: in all of this. So I'm giving everybody a chance

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Speaker 5: to talk. And we're doing a serious analysis on this case.

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Speaker 5: And I think when people hear what we have to

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Speaker 5: say tonight, they're going to be absolutely outraged.