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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
Speaker 3: our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so will we.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I may title this
Speaker 3: episode The Weird and the Wonderful. I want to talk
Speaker 3: about physical mediumship. I don't talk about it too much
Speaker 3: on this show, but it is one of the three
Speaker 3: predominant kinds of mediumship. One is evidential mediumship. That's when
Speaker 3: you go to a medium or you see one on
Speaker 3: zoom and they tell you about your loved ones, give
Speaker 3: you messages and such. The second is trance mediumship, which
Speaker 3: you've heard Scott Milligan talking in the trance state with
Speaker 3: some very powerful words from here's spirit friend Eric. I
Speaker 3: did mention physical mediumship way way back. You can go
Speaker 3: back to episode three, which is called Beyond Sherlock Holmes
Speaker 3: talking about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and also episode seventeen
Speaker 3: called Seances and Ghostbusters exploring physical mediums, seances and ectoplasm.
Speaker 3: I think I don't talk about this too much because
Speaker 3: it is weird, but it is wonderful Back in the
Speaker 3: day talking about the seventeen hundreds, the eighteen hundreds, the
Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds, this was the predominant kind of mediumship
Speaker 3: on planet Earth. It is so easy for our skeptical
Speaker 3: mind to go this sounds really crazy, Sandra, and I
Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree with you. I remember when I
Speaker 3: found out about electronic voice phenomena from Tom and Lisa Butler,
Speaker 3: and they had sent me an email talking about a
Speaker 3: medium by the name of David Thompson who they attended
Speaker 3: one of these seances with. My mind was so quick
Speaker 3: to throw out the information and not pay attention to
Speaker 3: it because number one, the word seance was kind of
Speaker 3: weird to me, and what they were describing was even
Speaker 3: more weird. A group of people sit in a circle
Speaker 3: sing songs. There is a medium, but he is actually
Speaker 3: behind a curtain or what's called a cabinet. It can
Speaker 3: be made of fabric, or it can be three doors
Speaker 3: with a black cloth in front of it. Some people
Speaker 3: take a corner of their room and just stretch a
Speaker 3: shower curtain rod across and put a curtain in front
Speaker 3: of that. They were telling me the story of loved
Speaker 3: one's voices seeming to come out of the air, and
Speaker 3: people being touched by spirit people and things in a
Speaker 3: darkened room with glowing the dark tape on them, all
Speaker 3: flying around the room. I took some time and I
Speaker 3: googled this David Thompson. It is very hard to find
Speaker 3: anything on him. And I think there are some physical
Speaker 3: mediums in the world, but their form of mediumship is
Speaker 3: so different that a lot of people think it can't
Speaker 3: be real, so they don't advertise. There are people sitting
Speaker 3: around the world in what's called home circles, singing songs,
Speaker 3: inviting loved ones to come through, and there's some amazing
Speaker 3: things happening. But again, to you and me, not being
Speaker 3: part of it, it's so easy to think, oh, that
Speaker 3: can't be possible. After I googled David Thompson, that led
Speaker 3: me to a website that no longer exists, and I
Speaker 3: started reading some of the stories of things that would
Speaker 3: happen in these so called seance rooms and people being
Speaker 3: reunited with their deceased loved ones. This substance called ectoplasm
Speaker 3: a gas that would come out of the medium, and
Speaker 3: the loved ones could step into this gas their etheric
Speaker 3: body and become real again. Doesn't this sound like science fic?
Speaker 3: That's how it sounded to me. But there was something
Speaker 3: that still interested me about it, so much so that
Speaker 3: I was digging around this David Thompson's website and he
Speaker 3: recommended another physical medium, Scott Milligan. That's the very first
Speaker 3: time I had heard of Scott. So what I had
Speaker 3: done is I went to Facebook and I found Scott
Speaker 3: Milligan and I sent him a friend request. Now he
Speaker 3: didn't know who I was, but he accepted it. I
Speaker 3: went to his Facebook page and he was sharing about
Speaker 3: an event that took place back in Well it was
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen called Voices of the Past.
Speaker 3: David Thompson was there and Scott Milligan was there doing
Speaker 3: these seances. I was so scared because one I thought
Speaker 3: it was weird. Two, this stuff happens in the dark.
Speaker 3: Three I'd have to take a flight from Boston over
Speaker 3: to London Heathrow Airport and then get a cab for
Speaker 3: an hour and a half drive to beat with people
Speaker 3: that I didn't know. But as an afterlife researcher, I
Speaker 3: had to know for sure one way or another is
Speaker 3: this stuff real or not? Then you know I did
Speaker 3: it right. It is real, It is wild, and it
Speaker 3: is wonderful. Going back to those episodes I was telling
Speaker 3: you about, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote the Sherlock
Speaker 3: Holmes books, actually gave up writing Sherlock Holmes when he
Speaker 3: attended many of these seances and he had some experiences
Speaker 3: that were so out of this world literally that he
Speaker 3: felt it's more important to share with people the reality
Speaker 3: of the afterlife than continue writing about Sherlock Holmes. In
Speaker 3: episode seventeen, talking about seances and Ghostbusters, I read a
Speaker 3: book by Peter Ackroyd, and if that name sounds familiar,
Speaker 3: it's because his son Dan wrote and starred in the
Speaker 3: movie Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters was a comedy, it was fiction. However,
Speaker 3: where did Dan get the idea His grandfather was part
Speaker 3: of these home circles, And if you listen to that
Speaker 3: episode you'll hear more about that and words from Dan
Speaker 3: and his father Peter. There is so much credible information
Speaker 3: about the reality of these physical mediums. They were tested
Speaker 3: by science at the time, and again we're talking it
Speaker 3: was in its heyday over one hundred years ago. So
Speaker 3: I think for us living in twenty twenty three, it's
Speaker 3: easy to think that somehow or another, somebody was conning,
Speaker 3: somebody pretending that their loved ones were around in profiting
Speaker 3: from it. That's always been my thought, first and foremost
Speaker 3: about most mediums, actually, because there are so many con
Speaker 3: artists in the world. But after sitting in these seances
Speaker 3: and certainly witnessing the impossible, hearing voices of loved ones
Speaker 3: coming out from what seems like mid air, having things
Speaker 3: float around the room being touched by children and there
Speaker 3: were no children in the room, and other incredible things.
Speaker 3: It made me really delve into what's possible. I met
Speaker 3: another man named Stuart Alexander who at a younger age
Speaker 3: started one of these home circles to see if they
Speaker 3: could invite in the spirit world. Stuart Alexander is one
Speaker 3: of the most famous physical mediums alive right now. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if he has retired. I think he has,
Speaker 3: but he has written a book that was just updated
Speaker 3: called Stuart Alexander An Extraordinary Journey, The Memoirs of a
Speaker 3: Physical Medium. I want to read a little bit to you,
Speaker 3: and I want to also talk to you about these
Speaker 3: home circles and if you're wondering, did I thoroughly check
Speaker 3: to make sure this wasn't a scam? Yeah, absolutely I did.
Speaker 3: One thing that's important to know is it was very
Speaker 3: reasonably priced. It was only, oh, I think just a
Speaker 3: few hundred dollars for room meals and the workshop. That
Speaker 3: happened over four and a half days, so nobody was
Speaker 3: getting rich off of this. During the actual seances, the
Speaker 3: room is checked by everyone. The medium is actually strapped
Speaker 3: down to a chair, and everybody gets to check to
Speaker 3: make sure he cannot get out so he cannot manipulate
Speaker 3: things and make it seem like things are happening like
Speaker 3: a magician would. Also, everyone in the circle had to
Speaker 3: hold hands, and if anyone broke the circle, we were
Speaker 3: supposed to speak up, because again, how easy would it
Speaker 3: be for one of the participants to do something. I
Speaker 3: can tell you I got hooked on going to these events.
Speaker 3: I attended many of them, and just the year before
Speaker 3: COVID hit, I actually put on three of my own
Speaker 3: live events and we held many of these seances. It
Speaker 3: was the first time Scott Milligan had been to the
Speaker 3: United States demonstrating, and people got to witness with their
Speaker 3: eyes and their ears the weird and the wonderful. People
Speaker 3: got reunited with their loved one. We could all hear
Speaker 3: these words coming from loved ones in the afterlife during
Speaker 3: these seances, and there was so much personal information that
Speaker 3: was shared from the deceased loved one to the person
Speaker 3: in the room, which they said no one could know about.
Speaker 3: I asked Scott Milligan what would it take to have
Speaker 3: physical mediumship be real in the world again, And many
Speaker 3: years ago he thought it probably will never happen because
Speaker 3: years ago people would get together with families, there was
Speaker 3: no TV, there was no internet, they'd get together, they'd sing,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of love in the room, and
Speaker 3: with that these miracles would happen. I have had this
Speaker 3: passion since I met Scott to somehow get this form
Speaker 3: of mediumship back in the world. We have been holding
Speaker 3: classes online since twenty twenty talking about trance, mediumship and
Speaker 3: how to sit for the spirit world. And my secret
Speaker 3: little project going on was to work with Scott and
Speaker 3: create an at home study course for sitting for the
Speaker 3: spirit world and being part of your own home circle,
Speaker 3: and we just launched it this past week. I'm so
Speaker 3: proud of it. It's not just how to sit in
Speaker 3: a home circle, but there's so much of the history
Speaker 3: of home circles and bonus materials and videos and pictures
Speaker 3: and so many good things, so stay tuned about that.
Speaker 3: Next we're going to hear some words from Stuart Alexander's
Speaker 3: book and also tell you about some audios from people
Speaker 3: who had these home circles and witnessed some absolutely earth shattering,
Speaker 3: mind bending, oh my goodness experiences. There's a lot coming
Speaker 3: up in this episode. You don't want to miss it,
Speaker 3: so we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and I'm delighted to dedicate this episode
Speaker 3: to the wonderful physical medium Stuart Alexander. I'm going to
Speaker 3: be reading some from his book An Extraordinary Journey also
Speaker 3: to talk about home circles, and Stuart Alexander put together
Speaker 3: a compilation of accounts of what people witnessed in the
Speaker 3: seance room. I had the opportunity to meet him many
Speaker 3: years ago, and also in twenty eighteen, I attended a
Speaker 3: workshop with him and I got an opportunity also to
Speaker 3: sit in his seance. It's a bit different than attending
Speaker 3: with David Thompson or Scott Milligan. They sit in one
Speaker 3: of these cabinets that I described in the last segment
Speaker 3: where the energy really builds up and this gas gets
Speaker 3: produced where loved ones use their etheric body to step
Speaker 3: into and become real again. Stuart Alexander certainly knows about
Speaker 3: the worry so many people have about sitting in the
Speaker 3: dark and could something like this be faked. I told
Speaker 3: you earlier that physical mediumship was in its heyday one
Speaker 3: hundred years ago. Why it disappeared is because so many
Speaker 3: fraudulent con artists got involved after the Great War and
Speaker 3: conned people out of their money saying that your loved
Speaker 3: ones are here, and all those fake seance as you
Speaker 3: see on television all stemmed from that part of history.
Speaker 3: Stuart Alexander does not use one of these cabinets. Instead,
Speaker 3: he sits in the group with everybody else, but he
Speaker 3: has Glow in the Dark tape on him, so you
Speaker 3: know exactly where he is at all times. There's a
Speaker 3: small red light that gets turned on. I was sitting
Speaker 3: way far away from him, but the people closest to
Speaker 3: him saw some pretty interesting things. One person saw the
Speaker 3: face of their loved one who had passed, which had
Speaker 3: transformed over the face of somebody who was in the circle.
Speaker 3: There was a small table and a red light was
Speaker 3: on while Stuart Alexander was strapped down to the chair.
Speaker 3: An ectoplasmic hand formed on this table and people could
Speaker 3: actually touch the hand, shake the hand, describe the hand,
Speaker 3: and it was warm. A've so many other things happened
Speaker 3: as well. These ants went on for I think a
Speaker 3: little over two hours, and things floating around the room,
Speaker 3: voices coming out of what seemed like nowhere, inspiration from
Speaker 3: spirit helpers was amazing. I know this seems so far
Speaker 3: out there, and this truly is something to experience to
Speaker 3: know the reality of it. But for now you can
Speaker 3: get started on reading an incredible book and doing your
Speaker 3: own investigation into home circles and physical mediumship. I'd like
Speaker 3: to start off by reading a little bit of the
Speaker 3: forward by David Fontana, who was a British psychologist, parasp
Speaker 3: psychologist and author. He was professor of psychology at Cardiff
Speaker 3: University and also the former president of the Society for
Speaker 3: Psychical Research. He says in the forward, the literature on
Speaker 3: most aspects of medium shire is extensive and informative, but
Speaker 3: there is nevertheless a shortage of good first hand accounts
Speaker 3: by physical mediums of their experiences in the seance room
Speaker 3: and of the development of their gifts. The result is
Speaker 3: that we have insufficient knowledge of what it is actually
Speaker 3: like to be a physical medium. There are two obvious
Speaker 3: reasons for this shortage. Firstly, physical mediums are usually deeply
Speaker 3: entranced when phenomena are produced, and therefore often know less
Speaker 3: of what takes place than do those attending the seance.
Speaker 3: And secondly, there have been all too few good physical mediums.
Speaker 3: Thus I warmly recommend and welcome Stuart Alexander's book. Stuart
Speaker 3: is not only an outstanding physical medium with a deep
Speaker 3: and extensive knowledge of his own gift. He also has
Speaker 3: a scholarly interest in physical mediumship in general, and is
Speaker 3: a line of information on the subject. I have been
Speaker 3: involved in psychical research for more than thirty years and
Speaker 3: have been fortunate to have had sittings with Stuart, both
Speaker 3: as a member of public circles and as a guest
Speaker 3: at his private home circle, and I can therefore speak
Speaker 3: of his mediumship from personal experience. Moreover, having known Stuart
Speaker 3: as a personal friend for many years, I can bear
Speaker 3: witness to his integrity and to the unswerving dedication that
Speaker 3: he has brought to his mediumship. A man of great
Speaker 3: modesty and humility, he regards his mediumistic gift as a
Speaker 3: trust to be used in the service of others, and
Speaker 3: as a channel for demonstrating the reality of survival of
Speaker 3: physical death, and thus for illuminating some of the deeper
Speaker 3: mysteries of the human spirit. As Stuart makes abundantly clear
Speaker 3: in the book, he has been very fortunate in having
Speaker 3: a close knit and dedicated home circle, and members of
Speaker 3: which have stayed together over many years, devoting themselves to
Speaker 3: providing him with this essential support and protection. And long
Speaker 3: may this happy situation continue. A claim frequently made by
Speaker 3: skeptics is that all phenomena seen in physical seances could
Speaker 3: easily be duplicated in light or darkness by any good
Speaker 3: professional conjurer. The answer to this claim is that any
Speaker 3: good professional conjuror is welcome to try, provided he or
Speaker 3: she does so under the same controls as those imposed,
Speaker 3: for example, on Stuart Alexander. These include no unsupervised access
Speaker 3: to the room before the seance in order to hide
Speaker 3: conjuring equipment, submission to bodily searches as a precaution against
Speaker 3: concealing such equipment on the person, an agreement to be
Speaker 3: securely bound by full proof restraints in order to prevent
Speaker 3: movement during the In addition, the room must be available
Speaker 3: for searches by experienced observers to ensure there are no
Speaker 3: hidden entrances or exits, including trapdoors, that the furniture is
Speaker 3: restricted to a table and a circle of chairs placed
Speaker 3: close together, so that movement anywhere in the room can
Speaker 3: be easily detected, and that each chair, together with the
Speaker 3: table and any other potential hiding places in the room,
Speaker 3: are available for thorough examination by the observers. Finally, the
Speaker 3: sitters must all be experienced in the sands room phenomena
Speaker 3: and above suspicion. There must be no money or promise
Speaker 3: of money involved, and the conjuror must agree to have
Speaker 3: the results of the session made public. There's so much
Speaker 3: more in the forward about mediums of the past and
Speaker 3: other things you'll enjoy reading it. Next, i'll start reading
Speaker 3: a little bit of chapter one. This book came out
Speaker 3: in twenty ten, forty two years ago. When I first
Speaker 3: read Arthur Finley's classic book On the Edge of the Etheric,
Speaker 3: I did not suspect that my life was about to
Speaker 3: be changed forever. As I turned its first page. I
Speaker 3: did so knowing nothing of spiritualism, nothing of mediumship, and
Speaker 3: having given little thought to the possibility of a life
Speaker 3: after death. Perhaps in common with most people who are
Speaker 3: in abject ignorance of such matters, I had always imagined
Speaker 3: that spiritualism attracted elderly ladies who sat around tables asking
Speaker 3: is there anybody there? However, like many before me, that
Speaker 3: book was to introduce me to the movement and presented
Speaker 3: most intelligible and compelling evidence in support of the author's
Speaker 3: astounding arguments in respect of survival beyond the Grave and
Speaker 3: of two world canunication. Stuart goes on talking more about
Speaker 3: Arthur Finley's book and that he and his brother read
Speaker 3: it and then chose to read it again before finding
Speaker 3: a home circle and starting to participate in someone else's
Speaker 3: He then talks about being disappointed. I have to be honest,
Speaker 3: and you probably know this too. In this world of spirituality,
Speaker 3: you can find some people that claim to be spiritual,
Speaker 3: but it is more about the ego, and you can
Speaker 3: also find some crazies out there, some people doing some
Speaker 3: really wild things saying it's coming from the spirit world.
Speaker 3: We always want to make sure there is intelligence and
Speaker 3: that whatever happens doesn't insult your intelligence. So Stuart continues,
Speaker 3: almost two years had passed since I first read Finley's
Speaker 3: On the Edge of the Etheric, and I was still
Speaker 3: reading and still visiting local churches. Then one day I
Speaker 3: decided that I would form a home circle, and because
Speaker 3: my introduction to spiritualism and my intense interest had always
Speaker 3: been in respect of physical mediumship, it would of course
Speaker 3: have to be a physical home circle. Since I was
Speaker 3: by then well aware of the necessary conditions required for
Speaker 3: such a circle, I would arrive home from work every
Speaker 3: Monday evening and then spend two hours achieving a total
Speaker 3: blackout in our front lounge with its large bay window.
Speaker 3: Anyone who has ever attempted to eliminate all light from
Speaker 3: a room will readily understand what a difficult task I
Speaker 3: was faced with two hours to achieve it and thirty
Speaker 3: minutes afterwards to put everything back as it was. Darkness
Speaker 3: we fully understood was an absolute essential since we hoped
Speaker 3: to develop contact with the spiritual realms on a physical level.
Speaker 3: Such manifestations are believed to be inhibited by the presence
Speaker 3: of any form or degree of light. Understandably, this often
Speaker 3: leads to suspicion within the skeptical mind. However, irrespective of
Speaker 3: how it may appear to some, the fact is that
Speaker 3: there are sound reasons for such conditions. In assuming that
Speaker 3: all seance rooms harbor fraud, one would be guilty of
Speaker 3: making a monumental error. One might as well argue that
Speaker 3: the dark room was unnecessary for early photographic development. No
Speaker 3: one today would question the absolute fact that light is
Speaker 3: fatal to particular microorganisms and to the germination of seeds,
Speaker 3: nor would anyone question the fact that the development of
Speaker 3: an embryo in the darkness of the womb is essential
Speaker 3: for the creation of life itself. Like I said in
Speaker 3: the beginning, the world of physical mediumship is weird yet wonderful.
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that if this happened one hundred years ago,
Speaker 3: say till the early nineteen forties, that we can bring
Speaker 3: this alive again. When we come back from the break,
Speaker 3: you'll hear some stories of these materializations and also find
Speaker 3: out about the Noah's Ark Society. Also a CD set
Speaker 3: that Stuart put together of seance room recollections, and if
Speaker 3: you're interested in either starting a home circle or sitting
Speaker 3: on behalf of the spirit world, what you can do
Speaker 3: to get involved. So let's go off to our break
Speaker 3: and then we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back, to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: I'm Sander Champlain and this episode is dedicated to my
Speaker 3: friend and wonderful longtime physical medium, Stuart Alexander, author of
Speaker 3: the book An Incredible Journey. Instead of reading anymore right now,
Speaker 3: I want to play some words from Stuart Alexander. I
Speaker 3: was lucky enough to find an interview with him on
Speaker 3: the great YouTube channel New Thinking Allowed by Jeffrey Mishlov.
Speaker 3: If you haven't checked out that channel, please do. Life
Speaker 3: after Death is included and so much more so. Let's
Speaker 3: listen in to Stuart Alexander, who's been a medium for
Speaker 3: fifty two years, talking to Jeffrey Mishlov.
Speaker 1: You persisted for years and years. As I recall, it
Speaker 1: took fourteen years before the first direct voice, which was
Speaker 1: I think the first this physical phenomena, really phenomenon, really manifested.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was over fourteen years actually, Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: on one occasion, very unexpectedly, I entered the condition of chance,
Speaker 4: just for a few moments, that's all. But that was
Speaker 4: several years after we'd first begun to sit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In other words, you were sitting in say answers for
Speaker 1: years with zero results.
Speaker 4: The point was that We all believed as friends and
Speaker 4: family that if we could gather together once a week
Speaker 4: present to the Spirit well the correct conditions, then we
Speaker 4: thought that perhaps the Spirit well and in some way
Speaker 4: could use the combined energy of all the sitters in
Speaker 4: order to enable them to be able to let us
Speaker 4: know that they were presents.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 4: But nobody had any thoughts, any expectations about becoming a definitely.
Speaker 1: Not were there in those early years signs or indications
Speaker 1: of some glimmer of success.
Speaker 4: None, except I have to say that the resident medium
Speaker 4: from one of our local spiritualist churches came along on
Speaker 4: several occasions to sit and to give his feelings, his impressions,
Speaker 4: and he was always very, very encouraging. He could see
Speaker 4: things that we couldn't see, perceive things we couldn't perceive,
Speaker 4: sense things that we couldn't sense, but that was encouraging.
Speaker 4: I think the important thing here, Jeff, for me to
Speaker 4: stress is the fact that, in spite of the fact
Speaker 4: that we were not receiving any results whatsoever, it was
Speaker 4: just nice for us to gather together once a week,
Speaker 4: family and friends, walk into that room, closed the door,
Speaker 4: and sit together in love. And it's wonderful that you
Speaker 4: can do that and shut the outside world and all
Speaker 4: the problems outside. They don't belong within the sea on Zoon.
Speaker 4: So that was just nice. But the highlight of those nights,
Speaker 4: as I've said many times, was after we used to
Speaker 4: sit for an hour and then after the hour we
Speaker 4: would have a cup of tea a cup of coffee cakes,
Speaker 4: and that was the highlight of the night, the tea,
Speaker 4: cakes and coffee.
Speaker 1: You would sit for an hour in a darkened room
Speaker 1: I guess pitch black actually, and in silence or were
Speaker 1: you praying or singing or talking during that time?
Speaker 4: No, we had background music playing, very nice gentle background music,
Speaker 4: no words or anything, just nice, soft, gentle music. Now,
Speaker 4: as I always say to people, you know you can
Speaker 4: go within the music. You know, it's very difficult to
Speaker 4: do to clear the mind totally and just become as
Speaker 4: one with the music, But it can be achieved, but
Speaker 4: it takes time. But as I say, none of us
Speaker 4: had any thoughts of personally developing mediumship. We just thought
Speaker 4: that by being together creating the correct conditions for the spirit,
Speaker 4: well perhaps in some way they could let us know
Speaker 4: of their presence, that they were there, and they never did.
Speaker 1: But after a few years you eventually fell into a
Speaker 1: trance state and your spirit guide White feather manifested.
Speaker 4: I can tell you the story, Jeff, very quickly. This
Speaker 4: is all in the book, incidentally. But I used to
Speaker 4: work as the senior design engineer for a large international
Speaker 4: engineering company. But each evening, when I left the office
Speaker 4: at four o'clock, I would travel to a local garage
Speaker 4: which was owned by a friend of mine, and then
Speaker 4: I would take over the running of the I had
Speaker 4: to allow him to go home to have his evening meal,
Speaker 4: and then he would come back with his wife at
Speaker 4: eight o'clock and I would go home. And one particular night,
Speaker 4: it would be about probably seven forty five, go to
Speaker 4: eight on the telephone. Then I picked it up and
Speaker 4: it was my brother and he said, do you fancy
Speaker 4: coming round tonight for a sitting. We're thinking of having
Speaker 4: a sitting if you'd like to come. And my exact
Speaker 4: words were, well, listen, I'd love to come, but I've
Speaker 4: had such a stressful day, a hectic day in the office.
Speaker 4: I said, I just can't you know, But I said,
Speaker 4: do ring me tomorrow and let me know if anything happened.
Speaker 4: Where nothing used to happen in those days, and he
Speaker 4: said to me, yes, I will do. So we talked
Speaker 4: for a little while, put the phone down, and then
Speaker 4: about five minutes later I thought it started to come
Speaker 4: into my mind. I thought, well, if I don't go,
Speaker 4: I know what's going to happen. It'd be ringing me
Speaker 4: tomorrow morning saying, guess what. We've had a breakthrough. I thought,
Speaker 4: a better girl. So I telephoned him and I said, look,
Speaker 4: I will come, I said, but obviously I'll be a
Speaker 4: little late. Anyhow, I arrived at their home an hour
Speaker 4: or so later, and we just sat round the table
Speaker 4: with our hands resting on the top, music playing in
Speaker 4: the half light. It wasn't dark in the half light,
Speaker 4: and we sat for we used to sit for an
Speaker 4: hour in those days. And I supposed them in like
Speaker 4: fifty five minutes past, and my man was starting to
Speaker 4: turn towards the tea, the coffee, the biscuits, the cakes,
Speaker 4: and suddenly, and it's the first time it ever happened.
Speaker 4: Yet suddenly in my left here I very clearly heard
Speaker 4: a voice say, turn the light out, continue to sit,
Speaker 4: turn the light out, continue to sit, And it was
Speaker 4: like a loop on a tape, just the same words
Speaker 4: again and again and again. And you know, for some reason,
Speaker 4: I wasn't shopped by it. I was just sat there
Speaker 4: listening to this voice. And after a short while my
Speaker 4: brother said, well shall we Shall we bring it to
Speaker 4: and then put the kettle on. I said, no, just
Speaker 4: a minute, I said, just turn the light out, and
Speaker 4: without asking any questions, I reached up switched out the light.
Speaker 4: And then the most extraordinary thing happened, which I always
Speaker 4: have the greatest difficulty in explaining. Suddenly, something, something from
Speaker 4: behind me came quickly towards me. And the only similarly
Speaker 4: I can use here is if people have seen the
Speaker 4: film Ghost will whoop it go back against the medium
Speaker 4: is suddenly entranced, that mischievous spirit jumps into hair. What
Speaker 4: it was like that, except it wasn't mischievers came towards me.
Speaker 4: Next moment he was inside me and I was outside,
Speaker 4: and I was watching myself, and my mouth opened and
Speaker 4: these words came out, I come speak, brother, sister. And
Speaker 4: no sooner had the word has been said, it was
Speaker 4: out and I was back in. And that's how it
Speaker 4: began that night, That's how it all began. Just one
Speaker 4: short sentence. But that was beginning. That was the beginning, and.
Speaker 1: I gather the other people in the room were able
Speaker 1: to report to you what had happened, or were you
Speaker 1: conscious of it?
Speaker 4: I was conscious of it because I heard the words
Speaker 4: very clearly, Jeff, very clearly. I saw my mouth open
Speaker 4: and the words come out. Yes. There was just my
Speaker 4: brother and his wife and myself, and after it all finished,
Speaker 4: we drank our tea and coffee and so on. As
Speaker 4: strange as it may sound, we didn't really talk that
Speaker 4: much about it. But the next morning, walking into my office,
Speaker 4: the phone was ringing, and when I picked it up,
Speaker 4: it was my brother and he said, do you want
Speaker 4: to come down tonight for another sitting? And my exact words,
Speaker 4: pardon my French, was not bloody lightly because I have
Speaker 4: to say, I have to say that it really did
Speaker 4: fight me. But it would be the only term that
Speaker 4: I would ever be nervous within the sea on Zo
Speaker 4: just that one occasion, and it all started from there.
Speaker 4: Probably it took about ten years before any other spirit guide,
Speaker 4: you know, came in and introduced himself, and slowly over
Speaker 4: a long long period of sound that we refer to
Speaker 4: them as the spirit Team and that began to expand
Speaker 4: and grow. But each one of them have their own
Speaker 4: individual responsibilities.
Speaker 3: I have Stuart's book open now, and he says, fourteen
Speaker 3: years after my discovery of spiritualism, thirteen years after my
Speaker 3: first sitting in a circle, and two years after Missus
Speaker 3: Kath Matthews specifically created a circle for my development, the
Speaker 3: long awaited and eagerly anticipated breakthrough finally came. And that's
Speaker 3: the story you just heard. So if you think by
Speaker 3: sitting in a home circle things will immediately happen, it's doubtful.
Speaker 3: But like Stuart spoke about, it's a great time with
Speaker 3: family and friends to be together, to sit with that
Speaker 3: music on the anticipation of working with the spirit world.
Speaker 3: Even if you can't see anything happening, things are happening
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. You heard Stuart just mention about his
Speaker 3: spirit team. I'm closest, obviously to Scott Milligan, who you've
Speaker 3: heard on this show several times speaking in the trance state.
Speaker 3: Same thing happened for him. He got an initial few
Speaker 3: words coming through the trance state, and it wasn't till
Speaker 3: another two years when more fluid conversation came about Scott
Speaker 3: started when he was sixteen years old and May second,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, we celebrate twenty six years of him
Speaker 3: being a medium. I've sat in seance with Stuart Alexander,
Speaker 3: with David Thompson, and probably over twenty times with Scott Milligan.
Speaker 3: Plus for the last over three years, every Friday I
Speaker 3: spend being the moderator of an extraordinary conversation while Scott's
Speaker 3: in the trance state and having people ask questions of
Speaker 3: Scott's spirit friend Eric on life, death and the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Sometimes his spirit friends act as mediums and bring through
Speaker 3: loved ones to me. This is the miraculous. Is it
Speaker 3: worth it dedicating this time for development having no guarantee
Speaker 3: that something's going to happen in the future. Absolutely, So
Speaker 3: let's go to the break and we'll be back. You're
Speaker 3: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and
Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to
Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and just to
Speaker 3: be sure we're on the same page, we are talking
Speaker 3: about physical medium seances. That is, deceased loved ones being
Speaker 3: able to cloak themselves with a gas or vapor that
Speaker 3: emanates from the body of a physical medium called ectoplasm,
Speaker 3: and be able to speak and sometimes tout and even
Speaker 3: hug their loved ones again and on rare occasion now,
Speaker 3: but quite often in the past, they could be seen
Speaker 3: by all who were in the room. The home circle
Speaker 3: is the first step of this, and Stuart Alexander, who
Speaker 3: has spent fifty two years now as a medium, discusses
Speaker 3: it in his book An Extraordinary Journey. I'd like to
Speaker 3: recommend that you visit his website, which is Stuart Alexander
Speaker 3: medium dot com. You'll find the new and revised version
Speaker 3: of the book. There some CDs that'll tell you about
Speaker 3: in just a moment in a link to the Noah's
Speaker 3: Arksociety archive dot org. Let me tell you about that.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety the Noah's Ark Society for Physical Mediumship
Speaker 3: was launched and it quickly spread and attracted members from
Speaker 3: all over the world who created these home circles. Now,
Speaker 3: prior to its launch, physical mediumship had virtually disappeared. The
Speaker 3: Nozark Society's intention was to encourage people to form home circles,
Speaker 3: as it would help support and encourage people and advise
Speaker 3: them what to do and not to do, and that's
Speaker 3: what it did. Stuart Alexander subsequently became its very first
Speaker 3: member and was privileged to be appointed its archives officer
Speaker 3: and later its president. His articles about physical mediumship of
Speaker 3: the past were published in its monthly newsletter. Stuart says,
Speaker 3: had the Society not have been launched, then it was
Speaker 3: a distinct possibility that I would have remained solely within
Speaker 3: my long running home circle and almost certainly not have
Speaker 3: emerged to occasionally hold public seances. Sadly, for various reasons,
Speaker 3: the society only lasted from nineteen ninety to two thousand
Speaker 3: and four. Its monthly newsletters would have disappeared forever had
Speaker 3: it not been for this member of the Society named
Speaker 3: lou Sutton, who took the time and trouble and he
Speaker 3: put them all online. So literally you can go to
Speaker 3: Noah's Arcsociety archive dot org and read monthly journals from
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety to two thousand and four of people's home circles.
Speaker 3: Now the CD set it was created by Stuart Alexander.
Speaker 3: Elderly spiritualists who had sat with legendary physical mediums sent
Speaker 3: Stuart their cassette recordings talking about their experiences. And these
Speaker 3: materializations that they witnessed in the seance room. These people
Speaker 3: are all now in the spirit world themselves, but Stuart
Speaker 3: and myself a committed that their stories live on. If
Speaker 3: you're interested, and I highly recommend them. You can order
Speaker 3: the CDs directly from Stuart's website, which is Stuart alexandermedium
Speaker 3: dot com, or you can find the digital copy on
Speaker 3: my website, We Don't Die dot com. On the store page,
Speaker 3: just look for physical seance room recollections also when you're
Speaker 3: on that store page. Scott Milligan and I just launched
Speaker 3: a guide to home circles. Whether you are sitting alone,
Speaker 3: or you wish to start a home circle, or perhaps
Speaker 3: you want to experiment with a virtual home circle, you'll
Speaker 3: find some great instructions. There are questions and answers with
Speaker 3: Scott Milligan and also questions and answers on home circles
Speaker 3: asked to his spirit team while he was in the
Speaker 3: trance state. We've included a seance that you can listen to.
Speaker 3: You can find out about Book X Mediums other home circles.
Speaker 3: We have five hours of music that you can sit to.
Speaker 3: All in all, there is over twenty hours of material
Speaker 3: for a low price, and of course you have a
Speaker 3: money back guarantee. You can't beat that. As I said earlier,
Speaker 3: this type of mediumship is almost extinct from our planet.
Speaker 3: I do believe, however, that there are groups of people
Speaker 3: that remain silent that continue to do this. There is
Speaker 3: a small group of people, myself included, committed that by
Speaker 3: embracing the past, we can have these experiences again and
Speaker 3: so much more in the future. My friend, we are
Speaker 3: living in twenty twenty three right now, with all the
Speaker 3: technology and all the advances we have. Can you even
Speaker 3: imagine what might be possible blending the past with all
Speaker 3: that we currently have at our fingertips. I think it
Speaker 3: truly is possible that the tipping point of afterlife communication
Speaker 3: on a regular basis will occur in our lifetimes, and
Speaker 3: what we now believe is the miraculous communicating with loved
Speaker 3: ones after they have passed can be regular, everyday conversation
Speaker 3: and just perhaps we won't need to go to a
Speaker 3: medium to communicate. This all starts with our development in
Speaker 3: the home circle. I want to read one more thing
Speaker 3: to you from Stuart's book. He received correspondence from Bradley Harris,
Speaker 3: who is the son of one of the most famous
Speaker 3: physical mediums called Alec Harris. Like I said earlier, this
Speaker 3: cabinet that the mediums sit in builds up the energy
Speaker 3: the spirit. People step out of the cabinet, but their
Speaker 3: energy only lasts so long. So Bradley says, on numerous
Speaker 3: occasions when witnessing forms slowly deemity realizing by melting into
Speaker 3: the floor, I personally found it to be an amazing
Speaker 3: experience also to see a white piece of ectoplasm on
Speaker 3: the floor just outside the cabinet rise up to form
Speaker 3: a head shape which in a matter of seconds rows
Speaker 3: into a fountain of ectoplasm to form a fully materialized
Speaker 3: spirit form which steps forward into the room and experience
Speaker 3: one never forgets, and it was beautiful to behold. However,
Speaker 3: I can understand that a person could feel distressed when
Speaker 3: a loved one that they had been embracing would start
Speaker 3: to dematerialize outside the cabinet before stepping back into it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the spirit would hold onto the loved one's hands,
Speaker 3: not wanting to go, but in being unable to hold
Speaker 3: the power, they would melt into the floor. I want
Speaker 3: to share a few more words from Stuart Alexander and
Speaker 3: if you hear a few taps, he's so passionate that
Speaker 3: he's hitting the table in front of him.
Speaker 4: For over one hundred and fifty years, I'll go so
Speaker 4: far as to say that spirituals have looked up at
Speaker 4: the stars. As you know, it was born in America,
Speaker 4: and then like a forest fire, it traveled throughout America,
Speaker 4: through Europe into England, and men and women of letters, aristocracy, royalty,
Speaker 4: scientific people, men in the street, people were alsouccumbing to
Speaker 4: this wonderful new movement that promised to be able to
Speaker 4: prove conclusively that this life is merely a precursor to
Speaker 4: what happens afterwards, that the worst survival for every sort
Speaker 4: you know. And we were on track to do that.
Speaker 4: But we've got to remember that for one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty years, the Home Stable stood at the very center
Speaker 4: of spiritualism. It was almost the heartbeat of the movements.
Speaker 4: And it is within those home sabers that these wonder
Speaker 4: mediums of the past developed their gifts before eventually some
Speaker 4: of them, not all of them, came out to work
Speaker 4: before the public. Within the home saclep, there's no pressure
Speaker 4: to perform. People just sit together in love and in
Speaker 4: harmony to make that contact with the spirit. Well, these
Speaker 4: days many people believe that by attending a few courses,
Speaker 4: then in some way development can be accelerated. Well, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: but I think that is nonsense. A knowledgeable tutor can
Speaker 4: help advise, inform, support, encourage a potential medium, but you
Speaker 4: cannot shortcut the development of mediumshire. I firmly believe that,
Speaker 4: and everything that I say is based on over fifty
Speaker 4: years of experience and study and research, you know. So
Speaker 4: I'm not just talking sort of at the top of
Speaker 4: my head because I've been invoked over the three years. No,
Speaker 4: not at all. So that's my field. I don't wish
Speaker 4: to offend anyone at all. And I'm sure there's some
Speaker 4: wonderful tutors out there, some wonderful courses. But for people
Speaker 4: to believe that they can shortcut the developments of mediumship,
Speaker 4: M sorry, it's nonsense. And if you look at the
Speaker 4: general and I underland the word general Standard of Mediumship
Speaker 4: of yesteryear, and then compare it with the general standard
Speaker 4: of mediumship today, well, I think that speaks volumes. That
Speaker 4: saves everything. To me, spiritualism has gone backwards, and I
Speaker 4: think that in some respects innocently. We have betrayed the
Speaker 4: hopes and aspirations of these men and women of the past,
Speaker 4: many with unrisked their academic standing, their social standing, you know,
Speaker 4: to stand up for what they believed in. They were
Speaker 4: prepared to do that, and they did do that. They
Speaker 4: put it all on the line. And what have we
Speaker 4: done with it? Spiritualism is a shadow of its former self.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but that's how I see it, and I
Speaker 4: don't wish to offend anyone, but to me, that is reality.
Speaker 4: The home circle is vitally important. And I remember a
Speaker 4: past editor of The Psychic News, which is spiritualism's all
Speaker 4: time well it's been around longer than any other journal,
Speaker 4: the Psychic News. The editor a number of years ago
Speaker 4: wrote an article in The Psychic before the Psychic News,
Speaker 4: and it was an account of his visits to sit
Speaker 4: with Alec Harris, the materialization medium who lived in South
Speaker 4: Wales at the time, and it was absolutely wonderful to
Speaker 4: read this. But the one thing that stuck in my
Speaker 4: mind was the editor saying that he believed that down
Speaker 4: every road, every street, every avenue in South Wales there
Speaker 4: was probably a home circle sitting and that was it
Speaker 4: home settles existed in considerable numbers. Now today very few,
Speaker 4: very few, And I think we've lost our way, and
Speaker 4: we've stopped listening to the spirit. Well, and when you
Speaker 4: stop listening to them, then the way we'll always be lost.
Speaker 3: We can find our way again. Come visit me at
Speaker 3: We Don't Die dot com. If you have a question,
Speaker 3: email me Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com, and don't
Speaker 3: forget to come join our weekly Sunday gathering. I'm Sandra Champlain.
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