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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that

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Speaker 3: our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so will we.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I may title this

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Speaker 3: episode The Weird and the Wonderful. I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about physical mediumship. I don't talk about it too much

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Speaker 3: on this show, but it is one of the three

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Speaker 3: predominant kinds of mediumship. One is evidential mediumship. That's when

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Speaker 3: you go to a medium or you see one on

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Speaker 3: zoom and they tell you about your loved ones, give

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Speaker 3: you messages and such. The second is trance mediumship, which

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Speaker 3: you've heard Scott Milligan talking in the trance state with

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Speaker 3: some very powerful words from here's spirit friend Eric. I

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Speaker 3: did mention physical mediumship way way back. You can go

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Speaker 3: back to episode three, which is called Beyond Sherlock Holmes

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Speaker 3: talking about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and also episode seventeen

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Speaker 3: I think I don't talk about this too much because

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Speaker 3: it is weird, but it is wonderful Back in the

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and I'm delighted to dedicate this episode

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back, to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sander Champlain and this episode is dedicated to my

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Speaker 3: the book An Incredible Journey. Instead of reading anymore right now,

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Speaker 3: If you haven't checked out that channel, please do. Life

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Speaker 1: You persisted for years and years. As I recall, it

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Speaker 4: So that was just nice. But the highlight of those nights,

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Speaker 1: You would sit for an hour in a darkened room

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Speaker 1: But after a few years you eventually fell into a

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Speaker 4: I can tell you the story, Jeff, very quickly. This

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Speaker 4: which was owned by a friend of mine, and then

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Speaker 4: I would take over the running of the I had

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Speaker 4: to allow him to go home to have his evening meal,

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Speaker 4: and then he would come back with his wife at

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Speaker 4: eight o'clock and I would go home. And one particular night,

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Speaker 4: it would be about probably seven forty five, go to

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Speaker 4: eight on the telephone. Then I picked it up and

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Speaker 4: it was my brother and he said, do you fancy

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Speaker 4: coming round tonight for a sitting. We're thinking of having

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Speaker 4: a sitting if you'd like to come. And my exact

443
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: words were, well, listen, I'd love to come, but I've

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: had such a stressful day, a hectic day in the office.

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00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: I said, I just can't you know, But I said,

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Speaker 4: do ring me tomorrow and let me know if anything happened.

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00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: Where nothing used to happen in those days, and he

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Speaker 4: said to me, yes, I will do. So we talked

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Speaker 4: for a little while, put the phone down, and then

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Speaker 4: about five minutes later I thought it started to come

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Speaker 4: into my mind. I thought, well, if I don't go,

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Speaker 4: I know what's going to happen. It'd be ringing me

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Speaker 4: tomorrow morning saying, guess what. We've had a breakthrough. I thought,

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Speaker 4: a better girl. So I telephoned him and I said, look,

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Speaker 4: I will come, I said, but obviously I'll be a

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Speaker 4: little late. Anyhow, I arrived at their home an hour

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Speaker 4: or so later, and we just sat round the table

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Speaker 4: with our hands resting on the top, music playing in

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Speaker 4: the half light. It wasn't dark in the half light,

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Speaker 4: and we sat for we used to sit for an

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Speaker 4: hour in those days. And I supposed them in like

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Speaker 4: fifty five minutes past, and my man was starting to

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Speaker 4: turn towards the tea, the coffee, the biscuits, the cakes,

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Speaker 4: and suddenly, and it's the first time it ever happened.

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Speaker 4: Yet suddenly in my left here I very clearly heard

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Speaker 4: a voice say, turn the light out, continue to sit,

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Speaker 4: turn the light out, continue to sit, And it was

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Speaker 4: like a loop on a tape, just the same words

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Speaker 4: again and again and again. And you know, for some reason,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't shopped by it. I was just sat there

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Speaker 4: listening to this voice. And after a short while my

472
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Speaker 4: brother said, well shall we Shall we bring it to

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Speaker 4: and then put the kettle on. I said, no, just

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Speaker 4: a minute, I said, just turn the light out, and

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Speaker 4: without asking any questions, I reached up switched out the light.

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Speaker 4: And then the most extraordinary thing happened, which I always

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Speaker 4: have the greatest difficulty in explaining. Suddenly, something, something from

478
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: behind me came quickly towards me. And the only similarly

479
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: I can use here is if people have seen the

480
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: film Ghost will whoop it go back against the medium

481
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: is suddenly entranced, that mischievous spirit jumps into hair. What

482
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: it was like that, except it wasn't mischievers came towards me.

483
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Speaker 4: Next moment he was inside me and I was outside,

484
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Speaker 4: and I was watching myself, and my mouth opened and

485
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Speaker 4: these words came out, I come speak, brother, sister. And

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Speaker 4: no sooner had the word has been said, it was

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Speaker 4: out and I was back in. And that's how it

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Speaker 4: began that night, That's how it all began. Just one

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Speaker 4: short sentence. But that was beginning. That was the beginning, and.

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Speaker 1: I gather the other people in the room were able

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Speaker 1: to report to you what had happened, or were you

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Speaker 1: conscious of it?

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Speaker 4: I was conscious of it because I heard the words

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00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: very clearly, Jeff, very clearly. I saw my mouth open

495
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 4: and the words come out. Yes. There was just my

496
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 4: brother and his wife and myself, and after it all finished,

497
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: we drank our tea and coffee and so on. As

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Speaker 4: strange as it may sound, we didn't really talk that

499
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Speaker 4: much about it. But the next morning, walking into my office,

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Speaker 4: the phone was ringing, and when I picked it up,

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00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: it was my brother and he said, do you want

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Speaker 4: to come down tonight for another sitting? And my exact words,

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Speaker 4: pardon my French, was not bloody lightly because I have

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00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: to say, I have to say that it really did

505
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: fight me. But it would be the only term that

506
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: I would ever be nervous within the sea on Zo

507
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: just that one occasion, and it all started from there.

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Speaker 4: Probably it took about ten years before any other spirit guide,

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00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: you know, came in and introduced himself, and slowly over

510
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: a long long period of sound that we refer to

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00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: them as the spirit Team and that began to expand

512
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Speaker 4: and grow. But each one of them have their own

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00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: individual responsibilities.

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Speaker 3: I have Stuart's book open now, and he says, fourteen

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Speaker 3: years after my discovery of spiritualism, thirteen years after my

516
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: first sitting in a circle, and two years after Missus

517
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Speaker 3: Kath Matthews specifically created a circle for my development, the

518
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: long awaited and eagerly anticipated breakthrough finally came. And that's

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Speaker 3: the story you just heard. So if you think by

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Speaker 3: sitting in a home circle things will immediately happen, it's doubtful.

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00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: But like Stuart spoke about, it's a great time with

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Speaker 3: family and friends to be together, to sit with that

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00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: music on the anticipation of working with the spirit world.

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Speaker 3: Even if you can't see anything happening, things are happening

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes. You heard Stuart just mention about his

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Speaker 3: spirit team. I'm closest, obviously to Scott Milligan, who you've

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Speaker 3: heard on this show several times speaking in the trance state.

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Speaker 3: Same thing happened for him. He got an initial few

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Speaker 3: words coming through the trance state, and it wasn't till

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Speaker 3: another two years when more fluid conversation came about Scott

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Speaker 3: started when he was sixteen years old and May second,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, we celebrate twenty six years of him

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Speaker 3: being a medium. I've sat in seance with Stuart Alexander,

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Speaker 3: with David Thompson, and probably over twenty times with Scott Milligan.

535
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Speaker 3: Plus for the last over three years, every Friday I

536
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: spend being the moderator of an extraordinary conversation while Scott's

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Speaker 3: in the trance state and having people ask questions of

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Speaker 3: Scott's spirit friend Eric on life, death and the afterlife.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes his spirit friends act as mediums and bring through

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Speaker 3: loved ones to me. This is the miraculous. Is it

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Speaker 3: worth it dedicating this time for development having no guarantee

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00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: that something's going to happen in the future. Absolutely, So

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Speaker 3: let's go to the break and we'll be back. You're

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Speaker 3: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to

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Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and just to

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Speaker 3: be sure we're on the same page, we are talking

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Speaker 3: about physical medium seances. That is, deceased loved ones being

549
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: able to cloak themselves with a gas or vapor that

550
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: emanates from the body of a physical medium called ectoplasm,

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00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: and be able to speak and sometimes tout and even

552
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: hug their loved ones again and on rare occasion now,

553
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: but quite often in the past, they could be seen

554
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: by all who were in the room. The home circle

555
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: is the first step of this, and Stuart Alexander, who

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Speaker 3: has spent fifty two years now as a medium, discusses

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Speaker 3: it in his book An Extraordinary Journey. I'd like to

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00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 3: recommend that you visit his website, which is Stuart Alexander

559
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Speaker 3: medium dot com. You'll find the new and revised version

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Speaker 3: of the book. There some CDs that'll tell you about

561
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: in just a moment in a link to the Noah's

562
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Speaker 3: Arksociety archive dot org. Let me tell you about that.

563
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety the Noah's Ark Society for Physical Mediumship

564
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: was launched and it quickly spread and attracted members from

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Speaker 3: all over the world who created these home circles. Now,

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Speaker 3: prior to its launch, physical mediumship had virtually disappeared. The

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00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: Nozark Society's intention was to encourage people to form home circles,

568
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Speaker 3: as it would help support and encourage people and advise

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Speaker 3: them what to do and not to do, and that's

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Speaker 3: what it did. Stuart Alexander subsequently became its very first

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Speaker 3: member and was privileged to be appointed its archives officer

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Speaker 3: and later its president. His articles about physical mediumship of

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Speaker 3: the past were published in its monthly newsletter. Stuart says,

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Speaker 3: had the Society not have been launched, then it was

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Speaker 3: a distinct possibility that I would have remained solely within

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Speaker 3: my long running home circle and almost certainly not have

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00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: emerged to occasionally hold public seances. Sadly, for various reasons,

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Speaker 3: the society only lasted from nineteen ninety to two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four. Its monthly newsletters would have disappeared forever had

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Speaker 3: it not been for this member of the Society named

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Speaker 3: lou Sutton, who took the time and trouble and he

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Speaker 3: put them all online. So literally you can go to

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Speaker 3: Noah's Arcsociety archive dot org and read monthly journals from

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety to two thousand and four of people's home circles.

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Speaker 3: Now the CD set it was created by Stuart Alexander.

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Speaker 3: Elderly spiritualists who had sat with legendary physical mediums sent

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Speaker 3: Stuart their cassette recordings talking about their experiences. And these

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00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: materializations that they witnessed in the seance room. These people

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00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: are all now in the spirit world themselves, but Stuart

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Speaker 3: and myself a committed that their stories live on. If

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Speaker 3: you're interested, and I highly recommend them. You can order

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Speaker 3: the CDs directly from Stuart's website, which is Stuart alexandermedium

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00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: dot com, or you can find the digital copy on

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Speaker 3: my website, We Don't Die dot com. On the store page,

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00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: just look for physical seance room recollections also when you're

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Speaker 3: on that store page. Scott Milligan and I just launched

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Speaker 3: a guide to home circles. Whether you are sitting alone,

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Speaker 3: or you wish to start a home circle, or perhaps

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00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: you want to experiment with a virtual home circle, you'll

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00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: find some great instructions. There are questions and answers with

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00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: Scott Milligan and also questions and answers on home circles

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00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: asked to his spirit team while he was in the

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Speaker 3: trance state. We've included a seance that you can listen to.

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Speaker 3: You can find out about Book X Mediums other home circles.

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00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: We have five hours of music that you can sit to.

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00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: All in all, there is over twenty hours of material

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Speaker 3: for a low price, and of course you have a

608
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: money back guarantee. You can't beat that. As I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: this type of mediumship is almost extinct from our planet.

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00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: I do believe, however, that there are groups of people

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Speaker 3: that remain silent that continue to do this. There is

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00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: a small group of people, myself included, committed that by

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Speaker 3: embracing the past, we can have these experiences again and

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Speaker 3: so much more in the future. My friend, we are

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Speaker 3: living in twenty twenty three right now, with all the

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Speaker 3: technology and all the advances we have. Can you even

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Speaker 3: imagine what might be possible blending the past with all

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Speaker 3: that we currently have at our fingertips. I think it

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Speaker 3: truly is possible that the tipping point of afterlife communication

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Speaker 3: on a regular basis will occur in our lifetimes, and

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Speaker 3: what we now believe is the miraculous communicating with loved

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Speaker 3: ones after they have passed can be regular, everyday conversation

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Speaker 3: and just perhaps we won't need to go to a

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Speaker 3: medium to communicate. This all starts with our development in

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Speaker 3: the home circle. I want to read one more thing

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Speaker 3: to you from Stuart's book. He received correspondence from Bradley Harris,

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Speaker 3: who is the son of one of the most famous

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Speaker 3: physical mediums called Alec Harris. Like I said earlier, this

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Speaker 3: cabinet that the mediums sit in builds up the energy

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Speaker 3: the spirit. People step out of the cabinet, but their

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Speaker 3: energy only lasts so long. So Bradley says, on numerous

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Speaker 3: occasions when witnessing forms slowly deemity realizing by melting into

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Speaker 3: the floor, I personally found it to be an amazing

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Speaker 3: experience also to see a white piece of ectoplasm on

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Speaker 3: the floor just outside the cabinet rise up to form

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Speaker 3: a head shape which in a matter of seconds rows

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Speaker 3: into a fountain of ectoplasm to form a fully materialized

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00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: spirit form which steps forward into the room and experience

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Speaker 3: one never forgets, and it was beautiful to behold. However,

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Speaker 3: I can understand that a person could feel distressed when

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Speaker 3: a loved one that they had been embracing would start

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Speaker 3: to dematerialize outside the cabinet before stepping back into it.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the spirit would hold onto the loved one's hands,

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Speaker 3: not wanting to go, but in being unable to hold

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Speaker 3: the power, they would melt into the floor. I want

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Speaker 3: to share a few more words from Stuart Alexander and

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Speaker 3: if you hear a few taps, he's so passionate that

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Speaker 3: he's hitting the table in front of him.

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Speaker 4: For over one hundred and fifty years, I'll go so

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Speaker 4: far as to say that spirituals have looked up at

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Speaker 4: and then like a forest fire, it traveled throughout America,

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Speaker 4: this wonderful new movement that promised to be able to

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Speaker 4: prove conclusively that this life is merely a precursor to

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Speaker 4: what happens afterwards, that the worst survival for every sort

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Speaker 4: you know. And we were on track to do that.

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Speaker 4: But we've got to remember that for one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty years, the Home Stable stood at the very center

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Speaker 4: of spiritualism. It was almost the heartbeat of the movements.

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Speaker 4: And it is within those home sabers that these wonder

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Speaker 4: mediums of the past developed their gifts before eventually some

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Speaker 4: of them, not all of them, came out to work

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Speaker 4: before the public. Within the home saclep, there's no pressure

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Speaker 4: to perform. People just sit together in love and in

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Speaker 4: harmony to make that contact with the spirit. Well, these

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Speaker 4: days many people believe that by attending a few courses,

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Speaker 4: then in some way development can be accelerated. Well, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: but I think that is nonsense. A knowledgeable tutor can

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Speaker 4: help advise, inform, support, encourage a potential medium, but you

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Speaker 4: cannot shortcut the development of mediumshire. I firmly believe that,

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Speaker 4: and everything that I say is based on over fifty

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Speaker 4: years of experience and study and research, you know. So

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Speaker 4: I'm not just talking sort of at the top of

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Speaker 4: my head because I've been invoked over the three years. No,

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Speaker 4: not at all. So that's my field. I don't wish

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Speaker 4: to offend anyone at all. And I'm sure there's some

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Speaker 4: wonderful tutors out there, some wonderful courses. But for people

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Speaker 4: to believe that they can shortcut the developments of mediumship,

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Speaker 4: M sorry, it's nonsense. And if you look at the

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Speaker 4: general and I underland the word general Standard of Mediumship

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Speaker 4: of yesteryear, and then compare it with the general standard

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Speaker 4: of mediumship today, well, I think that speaks volumes. That

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Speaker 4: saves everything. To me, spiritualism has gone backwards, and I

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Speaker 4: think that in some respects innocently. We have betrayed the

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Speaker 4: hopes and aspirations of these men and women of the past,

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Speaker 4: many with unrisked their academic standing, their social standing, you know,

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Speaker 4: to stand up for what they believed in. They were

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Speaker 4: prepared to do that, and they did do that. They

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Speaker 4: put it all on the line. And what have we

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Speaker 4: done with it? Spiritualism is a shadow of its former self.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but that's how I see it, and I

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Speaker 4: don't wish to offend anyone, but to me, that is reality.

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Speaker 4: The home circle is vitally important. And I remember a

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Speaker 4: past editor of The Psychic News, which is spiritualism's all

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Speaker 4: time well it's been around longer than any other journal,

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Speaker 4: the Psychic News. The editor a number of years ago

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Speaker 4: wrote an article in The Psychic before the Psychic News,

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Speaker 4: and it was an account of his visits to sit

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Speaker 4: with Alec Harris, the materialization medium who lived in South

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Speaker 4: Wales at the time, and it was absolutely wonderful to

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Speaker 4: read this. But the one thing that stuck in my

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Speaker 4: mind was the editor saying that he believed that down

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Speaker 4: every road, every street, every avenue in South Wales there

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Speaker 4: was probably a home circle sitting and that was it

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Speaker 4: home settles existed in considerable numbers. Now today very few,

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Speaker 4: very few, And I think we've lost our way, and

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Speaker 4: we've stopped listening to the spirit. Well, and when you

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Speaker 4: stop listening to them, then the way we'll always be lost.

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