1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,400
Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season episode one of

2
00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,600
Speaker 1: Days I Got a star production of I Heart Radio.

3
00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,719
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

4
00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,280
Speaker 1: into America's share conscieness. And it is Monday, November twenty one.

5
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even look up what international day it is.

6
00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,119
Speaker 1: I think is that Cyber Monday? Do we call that

7
00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,720
Speaker 1: cyber Monday? The day the Monday after city? It always

8
00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,440
Speaker 1: sneaks up on me, you know. I had a lot

9
00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,760
Speaker 1: of people complain about how Cyber Monday celebrations started earlier

10
00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,080
Speaker 1: in earlier every year, but this year really snuck up

11
00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,519
Speaker 1: on me. Guys. But that's that's all we need to

12
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,880
Speaker 1: care about. It doesn't matter. You don't need to recognize

13
00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,640
Speaker 1: anything other than Cyber Monday. Jeff Bezos is uh, you

14
00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,600
Speaker 1: know created holiday anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien. A

15
00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,640
Speaker 1: k mustache, grow a mustache your phone? Can I d

16
00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,080
Speaker 1: your face? That all look like an unemployed cop? It

17
00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,399
Speaker 1: will dominate all your zoom calls, Chase Julia robberts down

18
00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,160
Speaker 1: the street, make parents pull their kids near to their seat.

19
00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,080
Speaker 1: When you've got a mustache, it's a lasso bor at

20
00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,440
Speaker 1: joke and eye contact broke your wife won't like you time.

21
00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,520
Speaker 1: That is courtesy of the past couple of weeks of

22
00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:34,720
Speaker 1: my life living with a mustache. Um, very like legitimately,

23
00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,200
Speaker 1: like I consense that she likes me less. Uh and

24
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,319
Speaker 1: then um I pointed out and she's like, yeah, I do.

25
00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,320
Speaker 1: Like that's that's accurate. Now you look like a creep. Uh.

26
00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 1: They're they're kind of over it. They think, yeah, they

27
00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,720
Speaker 1: don't like me because they don't have enough uh, you know,

28
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,400
Speaker 1: cultural experience to recognize what this mustache means and what

29
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,320
Speaker 1: it signifies about somebody. I should actually be concerned that

30
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 1: they're not more alarmed by my right, like you want

31
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,919
Speaker 1: to watch out for this in the real world. Kids

32
00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,680
Speaker 1: changed my personality when I grew it. Just like so

33
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this is this is not a good

34
00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,640
Speaker 1: thing anyways. Uh. I'm thrilled to be joined by a

35
00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,359
Speaker 1: special guest co host whose voice you've already heard. She's

36
00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,239
Speaker 1: a producer here at the I Heart Radio l a

37
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,520
Speaker 1: podcast studio, helping to create shows like I Don't Know,

38
00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Fake Doctor's Real Friends, and Scientology Fair Game with Leah Remini.

39
00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,480
Speaker 1: She's a fabulous writer who you can read at Vulture.

40
00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,440
Speaker 1: The A V Club team voke paste, the advocate all

41
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,440
Speaker 1: the ones uh talented. On Mike Podcaster's voice, you can

42
00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,000
Speaker 1: hear on fake doctors and pop culture, happy our all

43
00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,360
Speaker 1: all that ship. She is the brilliant and talented Joel

44
00:02:54,480 --> 00:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Money Marfender your best friend, I will beat you up.

45
00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,600
Speaker 1: Um okay, it's such a lovely introduction. I'm happy to

46
00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,760
Speaker 1: do my resume for me, so I don't have to

47
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,920
Speaker 1: do it always. Yeah. Wait, so why why would you

48
00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,239
Speaker 1: beat somebody up like the two? Your sister's best friend

49
00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,960
Speaker 1: should be able to beat you and any other man

50
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,880
Speaker 1: that comes anywhere near her up like just all times.

51
00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,320
Speaker 1: Just be prepared, man. Hopefully you never have to use

52
00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,120
Speaker 1: your powers, but shouldn't the need arise? I'm prepared well, Joel.

53
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,120
Speaker 1: Not only am I uh so fortunate and blessed to

54
00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,480
Speaker 1: be joined by you as a guest co host, we

55
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by one of the very

56
00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,880
Speaker 1: faces on Mountain seightmore uh. He co hosts the podcast

57
00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,920
Speaker 1: The Worst Idea of All Time. He's just one of

58
00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,600
Speaker 1: the funniest stand up comics doing it. One of your favorites,

59
00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,760
Speaker 1: one of our favorites, one of our favorites. Uh be hilarious.

60
00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,320
Speaker 1: And talent. Take Garman com Oh My Wood, Thank you

61
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 1: so much, Jack and Joel as always in onted to

62
00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,320
Speaker 1: be here. Very difficult to sit through a minute long

63
00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:13,600
Speaker 1: diet tribe against mustaches when I I don't rock just

64
00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,040
Speaker 1: a seasonal mustache. I've spent a lot of my adult

65
00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,479
Speaker 1: life wearing a mustache. I didn't realize that I was

66
00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,520
Speaker 1: in some sort of subset of society. It's all about

67
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,880
Speaker 1: It's all about the like the particulars on the mustache, right,

68
00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,960
Speaker 1: like you look, You look great with a mustache. It

69
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,480
Speaker 1: works with your complexion. My my mustache is very dark

70
00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's it's rude. It's actressive and rude.

71
00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,200
Speaker 1: I first grew this because I couldn't grow a mustache

72
00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I grew this um when

73
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,560
Speaker 1: I started doing stand up comedy, because I thought, um,

74
00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,520
Speaker 1: people look funnier with a mustache. It's true. Yeah. And

75
00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,160
Speaker 1: in this year I had fibers and this she has

76
00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,880
Speaker 1: as a gift to my mom, who I was with

77
00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,040
Speaker 1: the New Year's Eve, I shaved off my mustache and

78
00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,480
Speaker 1: I said, Mom, I'm not gonna have a mustache. Oh yeah,

79
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,320
Speaker 1: because Mom's hey mustaches. I'm learning so much today, Why

80
00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 1: does your mom? I understand why ladies are very particular

81
00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,680
Speaker 1: about their guys like facial hair. Okay, they have to

82
00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,240
Speaker 1: kiss it, it's a lot, But why is your mom

83
00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,159
Speaker 1: like no on the mustage. My mom and I are

84
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:32,400
Speaker 1: big on open mouth kissing. It feels it's um. It's

85
00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,560
Speaker 1: because I think she wants me to still be her

86
00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,839
Speaker 1: little boy, and the mustache represents the grown us men

87
00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,240
Speaker 1: that destroys the allusion for her. I get it, I

88
00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,760
Speaker 1: get it. I was just thinking maybe perhaps kids aren't

89
00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,360
Speaker 1: afraid of the mustache now because like for as for us,

90
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,520
Speaker 1: the children represented like Herbert, we were like mustaches are weird,

91
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 1: creepy guys in the backs of the Blockbusters. Don't go

92
00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,240
Speaker 1: back there. It's weird. I think kids now it's cheated

93
00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,880
Speaker 1: with Robert Duckie Jr. And Iron Man, and they're like

94
00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,400
Speaker 1: that guy's cool as Hell's millionaire and pa and philanthropists,

95
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,960
Speaker 1: like he's got everything. He's totally ready. Robert Engr. Has

96
00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,800
Speaker 1: single handedly changed the face and mustaches for children. But

97
00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,320
Speaker 1: he's got doesn't He's not just straight up Mustachio's an

98
00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,200
Speaker 1: exact same combo. If you have in it's just mustache. Yeah. Yeah,

99
00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm also interested Jake, because I think a mustache is okay.

100
00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,080
Speaker 1: But I think that that little goat tee you've got

101
00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:32,640
Speaker 1: beneath your bottom lip problem botsable. You don't think that him.

102
00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,800
Speaker 1: So if you lost that part of your facial here,

103
00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960
Speaker 1: that your your wife might um forgive some of you know,

104
00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,680
Speaker 1: some of your decisions through November. I don't think so.

105
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I also it means enough

106
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320
Speaker 1: to me to, uh, you know, I only get to

107
00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,320
Speaker 1: wear a mustache once in my life, I think, so

108
00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I've always wanted to look like Val Kilmer

109
00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,320
Speaker 1: and Tombstone. Instead I don't look like that, but uh,

110
00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was a valiant effort, so trying to

111
00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240
Speaker 1: give a shot. Yeah, I think it's very becoming on you.

112
00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,240
Speaker 1: And I've also got to ask, did you self right

113
00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,600
Speaker 1: that um that intro, that jointy intro tune? I did? Yeah, yeah,

114
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,440
Speaker 1: I did this morning. Um Hey, it means a lot

115
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,800
Speaker 1: um I've I've had a lot of material because literally

116
00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,440
Speaker 1: every zoom call, every work call, every conversation that I

117
00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,080
Speaker 1: have with somebody starts with fifteen minutes of them talking

118
00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,520
Speaker 1: about how I look like Julia Roberts's dangerous ex husband

119
00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,200
Speaker 1: and sleeping with the enemy. How yeah, so it's it's planned.

120
00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,320
Speaker 1: And also just a month of not being able to

121
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 1: open my phone with my face. I I think you

122
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,559
Speaker 1: look like a hot little piece of ask. So um

123
00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 1: when you put that in your next song, that's that's kind.

124
00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Alright, guy, Well, as you know, we're

125
00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better and

126
00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm moment um. But first we're gonna tell our listeners

127
00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,600
Speaker 1: just a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna

128
00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,920
Speaker 1: have uh special guest Robert Evans joined. I've been wanting

129
00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880
Speaker 1: to hear his thoughts on the Written House verdict and

130
00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 1: just where we're at with regards to the possibility of

131
00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,200
Speaker 1: a second American Civil War um, and you know, just

132
00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,200
Speaker 1: fun stuff like that. Um. And also I'm just like,

133
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,600
Speaker 1: I feel like, for for whatever, even before Written House

134
00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,520
Speaker 1: went and met with Trump at Mara a Lago at

135
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 1: the end of last week, I was like, this somehow

136
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,280
Speaker 1: helps Trump, I feel like, And now I don't know,

137
00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,599
Speaker 1: I just I feel like he's going to get reelected.

138
00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,800
Speaker 1: I've felt that way for a while, so I'm very

139
00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360
Speaker 1: worried about that. Guys, there more space over there where

140
00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,480
Speaker 1: you are. Well, yeah, we got I think, Kevin, we

141
00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,120
Speaker 1: got too much space. Yeah, you can barely move for

142
00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,440
Speaker 1: free space. Also true of America. America has like one

143
00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,960
Speaker 1: of the lowest population densities of any country, but they

144
00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,480
Speaker 1: pretend like we're running out. I drive through the Middle

145
00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,439
Speaker 1: once and there was nothing but space. Yeah, there's nothing

146
00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,400
Speaker 1: there yea. So so I feel like the middles people

147
00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,600
Speaker 1: who lose their minds because they're too far away from

148
00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,839
Speaker 1: the sea. I think if you get too far away

149
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,280
Speaker 1: from the sea for too long, you kind of lose perspective.

150
00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,319
Speaker 1: For me, with not being able to order for a

151
00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,760
Speaker 1: m thie, that's really why I had to leave the

152
00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,360
Speaker 1: medal space. You need to be able to get Thai

153
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,320
Speaker 1: food any time of the night, or what is the

154
00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,720
Speaker 1: point of living. Yeah, it's not fair enough. Um, we're

155
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,720
Speaker 1: gonna talk about fentanyl fearmongering going on. It has expanded

156
00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,960
Speaker 1: to weed. The US police are are letting people know,

157
00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be careful because the drug dealers

158
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,280
Speaker 1: are uh spraying the weed with fentanyl, And as far

159
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,760
Speaker 1: as we can tell, that's not true. Um, so we're

160
00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that. We are going to revisit McDonald's

161
00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,720
Speaker 1: ice cream machine, because that saga has continued to unfold

162
00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,200
Speaker 1: and continued to be a better and better metaphor or

163
00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,240
Speaker 1: for just how American capitalism actually works. All the important

164
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,680
Speaker 1: stories at daily is that guys today, um well, actually, Joel,

165
00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,599
Speaker 1: it is a metaphor for the military industrial complex, I

166
00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,640
Speaker 1: will have you know. Uh, I can't wait to to

167
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,160
Speaker 1: oscillate between you know, really lighthearted and silly stuff, but

168
00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,320
Speaker 1: they're also quite grave and serious stuff like yeah, we're

169
00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna get to some of that stuff, maybe more. But

170
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,560
Speaker 1: before we get to any of it, guy, we do

171
00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,400
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what's something from your search history?

172
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:43,160
Speaker 1: So I recently was researching the um your names Paula Cole,

173
00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, she had that song we Have All the

174
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys Gone? Yeah yeah, and I was I was trying

175
00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,640
Speaker 1: to be funny in conversation with my girlfriend, So I

176
00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,200
Speaker 1: googled we have all the Cowboys actually Gone, you know,

177
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,199
Speaker 1: going to wanting to know where these cowboys have gone?

178
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,280
Speaker 1: And through there I found this incredible like near the

179
00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,160
Speaker 1: top of the Google hit on there, I found this

180
00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,400
Speaker 1: incredible like ten year old Reddit post where the title

181
00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,920
Speaker 1: is we have all the cowboys gone? Feminism killed them.

182
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:24,720
Speaker 1: It's just like ancient screed written by some disgruntled Internet user. Um,

183
00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,760
Speaker 1: I didn't actually find out where the where the true

184
00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,000
Speaker 1: cowboys have gone. Perhaps, like you, Joel, they've moved something

185
00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,199
Speaker 1: where they have access to tai food around the clock.

186
00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,559
Speaker 1: Now they're still out there Oklahoma, teaching kids how to

187
00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,439
Speaker 1: ride bulls by first having them ride sheep. They're working

188
00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,080
Speaker 1: hard keeping the lifestyle of life. The Twitter account that

189
00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,559
Speaker 1: posted it is called pro woman, anti feminist, and it's

190
00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:51,120
Speaker 1: just like a disaster sort of studio attempted studo intellectual

191
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 1: you know scribblings where it says um Paula Cole captures

192
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,240
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissonance when a woman's bribal nature clashes with

193
00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,960
Speaker 1: a modern woman's feminist indoctrination. It's like, I'm assuming she

194
00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,800
Speaker 1: did not intend to. Uh, Like, you know, making activists

195
00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000
Speaker 1: is creating arts is once you put it out in

196
00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,400
Speaker 1: the world, it's not really yours anymore, and you don't

197
00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,840
Speaker 1: need to choose who likes to know how they interact

198
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,120
Speaker 1: with it. And um, you know, she just wrote a

199
00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,280
Speaker 1: jaunty tune, sad tune. It starts as a love story

200
00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,120
Speaker 1: and it ends. Um, they don't end up so happy

201
00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,360
Speaker 1: to get that. I know the nerve of this guy

202
00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,920
Speaker 1: to leave fucking cowboys. Man, they always do. They always

203
00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,920
Speaker 1: break your heart. Um. That's why I always tell uh

204
00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,199
Speaker 1: mamas not to raise their sons to grow up to

205
00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,280
Speaker 1: be them. Um, I said that from day one. Al Right, guy,

206
00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,120
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Overrated? I've been

207
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,320
Speaker 1: opening some of these recently, and I guess what do

208
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,720
Speaker 1: you do? You read them? Do you look at them

209
00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,559
Speaker 1: pop up books? You know those books, the books with

210
00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:06,280
Speaker 1: the pops up out of the middle. Yeah, rated, overrated,

211
00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,320
Speaker 1: said some childhood joy gone guy, page all it's three

212
00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,600
Speaker 1: dimensional art just flung into my eyes. I feel like

213
00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,600
Speaker 1: the authors who are trying to make movies but they're

214
00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:26,959
Speaker 1: not quite there yet. Pick a team. Yeah, they are

215
00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,360
Speaker 1: very enjoyable to children, but I think for the reason

216
00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,120
Speaker 1: that they are the closest books come to being toys,

217
00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:42,680
Speaker 1: and so that yeah, no, enjoy it between two hardcovers,

218
00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,760
Speaker 1: very pro book over here when the art actually lifted

219
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,040
Speaker 1: off the page and have a little you know, there's

220
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,320
Speaker 1: other things behind them. A single bad thing about those

221
00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:01,040
Speaker 1: pool tabs. The pool tabs are incredible, but you know,

222
00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:12,480
Speaker 1: if you want to make a movie, mega movie. Um yeah,

223
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 1: clues behind every tap. I love it. They're also getting better.

224
00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,120
Speaker 1: That is one thing that I have noticed has been

225
00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,360
Speaker 1: improved upon since I was a youngster, when a pop

226
00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,280
Speaker 1: up book consisted of like a cutout of whatever would

227
00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560
Speaker 1: have been drawn there and just like you open it

228
00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,960
Speaker 1: and it like kind of moves forward slightly. Like they

229
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,920
Speaker 1: have gotten pretty um elaborate with the with the sort

230
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,200
Speaker 1: of kinetic origami is what I'll call it, guys, poetry

231
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,240
Speaker 1: in motion. The pop up book industrial complex will not

232
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,120
Speaker 1: go down without a fight. They're using higher grade card point.

233
00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,360
Speaker 1: They have more resilient pump outs now because they've seen

234
00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,320
Speaker 1: what children are doing to these popouts. And I've said,

235
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,640
Speaker 1: how can we counter that? Mm hmmm pop up Yeah,

236
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm against them. What if something you think is underrated? Well,

237
00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,720
Speaker 1: so I'm in Auckland, New Zealand, um, and we are.

238
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,000
Speaker 1: Actually we've just celebrated our hundredth day of our lockdown.

239
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,360
Speaker 1: So it's obviously a huge accomplishment in and of itself,

240
00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,520
Speaker 1: but that does come with missing You're both making quite

241
00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,800
Speaker 1: sort of scrunching up your faces in it. Yeah, three months.

242
00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,520
Speaker 1: Uh do you guys know when you're getting out? This

243
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 1: feels like if I were in prison for life and

244
00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,200
Speaker 1: someone's like, man, I got five months in here, but

245
00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,440
Speaker 1: we made the first three were good. I'd be like, fuck,

246
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,760
Speaker 1: we know, we're we are, We're almost out, and it's um,

247
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a long time, but it's done

248
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,520
Speaker 1: his job. But I miss um socializing did be shocked

249
00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,080
Speaker 1: her here. And one of the things I'm looking forward to,

250
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,520
Speaker 1: which I think is underrated, is getting into a car

251
00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,320
Speaker 1: with four adult for getting like five grown ups in

252
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,280
Speaker 1: a car, because technically a car is designed to accommodate

253
00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,000
Speaker 1: five grown ups, but as soon as you do it,

254
00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,920
Speaker 1: you know they never thought it would actually happen. And

255
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,360
Speaker 1: there's just there's a there's something I like about that

256
00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,920
Speaker 1: that there's a camaraderie. Yeah, and like you know, being

257
00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,680
Speaker 1: in the middle and the back and you think there's

258
00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,360
Speaker 1: not enough space back here. I just want to I

259
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,040
Speaker 1: just want to feel the experience of socializing, I guess

260
00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,640
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Maybe maybe I think socializing is underrated,

261
00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,960
Speaker 1: but mainly it's the just being like crushed into a

262
00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,040
Speaker 1: into a moving view. I feel like and this might.

263
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're rounding into summer here, and I'm getting

264
00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 1: getting excited. I'm getting a hit of myself. But there's

265
00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,440
Speaker 1: something about like, if I get into a car with

266
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,400
Speaker 1: four other adults, it's usually because we're going somewhere exciting

267
00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,520
Speaker 1: or a little bit you know, it's a little bit

268
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,920
Speaker 1: hard to get to a little bit far away, and

269
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I want that feeling. Listen, I respected. I went bowling

270
00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,000
Speaker 1: for the first time, like in fifteen years two weeks ago.

271
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,080
Speaker 1: But it's also the first time I saw more than

272
00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,879
Speaker 1: like two friends in their house. We were trying to

273
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,640
Speaker 1: social distance and be respectful and not kill each other. Uh,

274
00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 1: and it was wonderful. We got drinks, there was pizza involved.

275
00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,000
Speaker 1: It was It was pretty close to heaven. After being

276
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,720
Speaker 1: trapped in my house at a work meeting in person

277
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,560
Speaker 1: the other day, Guys, it's mind blowing out there. We

278
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,800
Speaker 1: have an office talking to each other, drawing on walls.

279
00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,080
Speaker 1: Who knew life was this glorious. I really feel like

280
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,800
Speaker 1: the pandemic has giving me a new lease on life

281
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,800
Speaker 1: and that like, I just really want to appreciate every

282
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 1: day I don't have to be inside of my house. Yeah,

283
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,040
Speaker 1: that was great. That was great. Just like Joel, you

284
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,600
Speaker 1: weren't here for this, but Guy was just lording it

285
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,640
Speaker 1: over us for all this time America, as the United

286
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 1: States was crumbling around us and we weren't allowed out

287
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,320
Speaker 1: of the house. Guy was like, Yeah, I just went

288
00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 1: to a sporting event and it was wonderful and freeing. Um,

289
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,719
Speaker 1: how's it going over there? Though, even though we had

290
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,080
Speaker 1: just talked for fifteen minutes about how it's going over here?

291
00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,160
Speaker 1: That's okay. You know, I'm I'm I'm a centurion now,

292
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 1: so we I've experienced some of those liberties, and now

293
00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,879
Speaker 1: I also have the I guess, the sense of participation

294
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,399
Speaker 1: in accomplishment that comes with being in your house for

295
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 1: a very long time. We basically spent summer break grounded.

296
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 1: And while I respect the hard time you have done,

297
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:38,119
Speaker 1: we're quickly approaching year three. I know this is what

298
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,760
Speaker 1: I say. I say, Am I the only with the

299
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,320
Speaker 1: novel coronavirus? Am? I? Am I the only one of

300
00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,479
Speaker 1: us who thinks the novelty has a weather and truly

301
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 1: worn off. I mean, that's that's gonna material right there. Um, yeah,

302
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 1: I got uh. I think I have a booster coming up,

303
00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 1: So it's exciting and go to those boosts. Right, all right,

304
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We're gonna see

305
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 1: if we can't track down Robert Evans and we will

306
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back. Uh, And Robert has

307
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 1: just joined the conversation. Whoa I am seeing Jack's mustache

308
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 1: for the first time here. Well, this is this is exciting.

309
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this is Christmas came early this year,

310
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 1: since uh, the Written House verdict came in. Uh. And

311
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 1: I saw a cryptic tweet from you saying, be careful

312
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: what you post on social media today. I've been wanting

313
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 1: to just kind of overall get your thoughts um on

314
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: what a where where this puts us? Because it does

315
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 1: seem you know, you've been in the ship. You were

316
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: on the streets in Portland during a lot of the

317
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: violence that happened there during the you know, a lot

318
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: of guys pointing guns at me in the wake of

319
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 1: the Written House, the initial shooting. Because when he when

320
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: when that happened, every right winger in the Northwest decided

321
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: it's time to show up in a crowded city at

322
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 1: a protest with a big old gun and see if

323
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 1: I might get a chance to shoot somebody. It was

324
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: a fun couple of weeks. So with with all that

325
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: being said, how like, well, what are your thoughts on

326
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: where we are like in the context of like violence

327
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,479
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's the dawning of an

328
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 1: era of good feelings. I think I think things are fine. Um,

329
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: people seem to like each other more than ever. Um,

330
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all getting on the same page

331
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: about some important issues. Um, we really have built back better,

332
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: uh in in in Nation. Well, it's been great having you, Robert,

333
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Just to make sure, just

334
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: as as someone who's not in America, I'd like to

335
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: co sign that that's depicted were getting from down here

336
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: in New Zealand just a functional glass country right here. Yeah. No,

337
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: I mean this is a pretty dangerous time, Jack. I

338
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: spent about eight percent of my time doing podcasting about

339
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: it actually doing journalism, and most of my journalism focuses

340
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: on the far right, and folks who followed it will

341
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: know that in two thousand nineteen I was writing and

342
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: doing media appearances constantly about eight Chan and like the

343
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: christ Church shooting and the shootings that followed in the

344
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: wake of that, that we're all spawned from that website,

345
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: and so there the community that I was following at

346
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: the time, the rhetoric that I saw in that community,

347
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: which was mostly groups of a few hundreds sometimes a

348
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: few thousand, like neo Nazis, uh, spreading propaganda, that kind

349
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: of propaganda that I had to like go to places

350
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: like eight chan or other weird little corners of the

351
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: Internet to find. Um. Tucker Carlson's saying it right, the

352
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 1: christ Church mass shooters manifesto was the great replacement. Carlson

353
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: did like a whole two episode series on how white

354
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: people are being replaced, although he didn't quite use this,

355
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: but that was the gist of it that like democrats

356
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: are are bringing in non white people to replace the original.

357
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like a demographic voting. Yeah, like

358
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: it was just couching it in like I'm just a

359
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: political analyst here, ye type of thing. But it was

360
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: straight up like Nazi propaganda. So that's larger. And one

361
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: of the consequences of J six is, you know, when

362
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 1: social media apps threw a lot of people off of

363
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: their services, um and just you know, other people left

364
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: because they'd seen their favorite right wing thought leader get

365
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: banned for suggesting the people be murdered. Um, they all

366
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: wound up in places like telegram, which is um in

367
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: the United States primarily is used by Nazis. So you're

368
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: seeing the more mainstreaming of these like kind of violently

369
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: extremist perspective. Did you call the Written House like trial? What?

370
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on, Like, were you surprised by

371
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: how it played out? Well? No, I and I think

372
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: one of the silliest things has been kind of the

373
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: Glen Greenwald's substat contingent trying to like prush stories that

374
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: like the media got the Written House. If you're surprised

375
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: about the Written House verdict, it's because you're in a

376
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: media bubble, Like nobody is surprised. We're like, yeah, he's

377
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: he's a white kid with millions of dollars to spend

378
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: on his legal defense. Uh, he's probably gonna get off.

379
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: Like it's a small town Jerry, you know. Um yeah,

380
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine, And he was fine judge.

381
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: Really the only thing that I was surprised by was

382
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: how like openly friendly the judge was like yeah, it's

383
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Yeah, but so that's you've already covered that.

384
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I guess what what's your best guess

385
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: as like what the immediate future looks like. And how

386
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: are you feeling about a second American Civil War, which

387
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: is something you've been warning was a danger for and

388
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm of years uh and now people are like, wait

389
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: a second, Robert wasn't just joking. I mean, we're definitely

390
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: experiencing a kind of low intensity insurgency and you're seeing

391
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: this on the ground, and like school board meetings and

392
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of some of the early attempts to take over

393
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: and stop vote counting processes earlier this year, in a

394
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: lot of these like attacks on school boards, like threats

395
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: against parents and school board members. You're seeing death threats

396
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: against election officials. And as of yet, the the actual

397
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: level of deadly violence, there's been a lot of non

398
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: deadly There's constant street fights every week in this country, UM,

399
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: often at like local government meetings. It's happening constantly. Los

400
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: Angeles is a hotspot in particular. UM. But more to

401
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: the point, I think you're you are seeing an escalation

402
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: of red eric around deadly violence. And the Writtenhouse verdict

403
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: had a definite impact on that. On like kind of

404
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: the far right side of things, like the people who

405
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: are happy wearing swastikas they've they're putting him in memes

406
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: with like where they're sainting him and putting like a

407
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: little swastika halo around his head like they do with

408
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: all the mass shooters, like they do with um, oh,

409
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: what's his name, Dylan Roof and the like um and

410
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: most of then ironic commentary like critique, there's so no

411
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: not a critique, but like they're so irony poisoned that

412
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: you can't ever say anything they say is entirely serious,

413
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, like it's this mix of things because they'll

414
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: also like call him cucked or whatever for for saying

415
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: that he supports BLM like it. You have to you

416
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: have to, like, these people are capable of holding totally

417
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: ironic and totally sincere beliefs about the same thing, and

418
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: so you have to accept that and and assume that,

419
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: like just because they're joking about shooting people doesn't mean

420
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: they don't also want to shoot people or have shoot

421
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: and shot right, Like it's this if you looked at it,

422
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you looked a lot of stuff Britain

423
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: Tarrant had posted online before he killed fifty people, you

424
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: would have been like, well, this is just like a

425
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: guy ship talking. But anyway, I I what what's what

426
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: worries me is that the ship talking about killing other

427
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: people has spread. I'm seeing the channels I'm seeing where

428
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: people are talking about showing up with guns at protests

429
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: and killing people are just playing killing liberals and leftists. UM.

430
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: The channels where people are discussing that are ten to

431
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: fifty times larger than they were this time a year ago. UM.

432
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: Channels that I would see like three or four thousand

433
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: people talking about murdering the left, stacking bodies like chord Wood,

434
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: Now there's like fifty five people following, and like, it's

435
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: that that concerns me. The the amount of UM. I'm

436
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: sure the signal to noise ratio has also gotten worse.

437
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure there's a lot more people talking about

438
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: killing their political enemies and a lot higher percentage of

439
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: the people who talk about that are full of shit.

440
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: But also the rhetoric itself has and it makes it

441
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: more likely because there's there's always X number of people

442
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: out there who are un you know, at such a

443
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: point in their life or or or are the kind

444
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: of person who if they if they see that, it's

445
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: kind of like how if you're you've got like a

446
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: family men who's a little bit racist. But they never

447
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: would have they never talked about it openly until like Facebook,

448
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: and then they see some article that says the racist

449
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: thing that they've always thought and they share it on

450
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: Facebook like, well someone else said it, so now I

451
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: can share it right now, Like it's safe for me

452
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: to express this racist thing I've always believed, like that,

453
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: that same thing exists for wanting to murder people. Um,

454
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: and some percentage of the people who get exposed to

455
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: that rhetoric will actually go out and commit murder. And

456
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: every time that happens, it ratchets up the temperature and

457
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: increases the odds that someone on the left will kill

458
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: someone on the right, which obviously is we saw last

459
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: year when um J Danielson, the Trump supporter, was shot

460
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: dead in Portland's like things would bug funk for a while. Um,

461
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: they had to send in the U. S. Marshals to

462
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: murder that guy to try and like it was this,

463
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: it's just this, uh, the guy who shot the Trump supporter. Yeah,

464
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: it's this self escalating cycle. And we keep spinning up

465
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: and spinning up and spinning up, and at the same

466
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: time as like I think Rittenhouse raises the temperature, I

467
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: think this verdict raises the temperature. I'm not sure that

468
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: a guilty verdict would have lowered it, though, Like I

469
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know if giving them a martyr is worse for

470
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: overall levels of violence, Like I think once he started

471
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: pulling his trigger in Kenosha that night, both like potential

472
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: outcomes of the court case were had equal potentials to

473
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: incite violence. I honestly think that, like not as not

474
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: me saying I don't think a conviction would have been justified.

475
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I don't know that it would

476
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: have made a difference from like a inspiring additional l

477
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: acts of violence standpoint. But that's a super dangerous place

478
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: to be because the people who are talking about committing

479
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: these violent acts and you know, on the teetering on

480
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: the edge of doing that, they see that risk reward.

481
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, they see the same thing you're seeing. They

482
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: see that there two outcomes are likely either they get

483
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: away with it or they become a martyr and you know,

484
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: become a national hero. So like that, Yeah, it just

485
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: seems like the incentive system is really not there to

486
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: prevent more of this ship happening. It is, and one

487
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: of the things that worries me that I think there's

488
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: a good chance we'll see at some point, Um, if

489
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Written House have gotten convicted, Um, he could not have

490
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: been pardoned because they were not federal charges. But I

491
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: suspect that as we gear up for Republican presidential candidates

492
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: are going to be falling over themselves to pardon j

493
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: six like convictees, like people who were in prison for

494
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: their actions on January six. And I suspect the next

495
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: time there's a murder like this, if there's a conviction

496
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: or even the threat of a conviction on federal charges,

497
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be there's going to be a campaign

498
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: on the right to pardon people for committing acts of

499
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: violence like that, and that that I think that's kind

500
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: of the next stage when you actually get a right

501
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: wing government in power again and they turn the kind

502
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: of legal apparati that exists into making providing the legal

503
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: justifications and niceties for a camp pain of political extermination.

504
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: That's something that worries me a lot. I almost regret

505
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the framing of civil war. I think it's it's useful

506
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and and that's the reason I did it in terms

507
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: of getting people to understand the potential consequences that the

508
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: real actual potential body count of the kind of conflict

509
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: we're going to see. It's less about a kind of

510
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: unlike armed insurgency in the Hills necessarily than it is about,

511
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: or at least I think that's less likely almost than

512
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: a situation in which you have two sides shooting the

513
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: ship out of each other and one of those sides

514
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: has the backing of the government to commit atrocities, you know,

515
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: like that that that you get something like that, or

516
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: you get a bunch of different conflicts like that and

517
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: different police departments and federal agencies like backing different groups,

518
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: which you've you've had versions of since forever. You know,

519
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: you look at the which just come out about the

520
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: assassination of Malcolm x Right, who was killed by FBI informants,

521
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: and you know who, who the funk knows what the

522
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: actual situation is there, But you've always had law enforcement

523
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: groups like who have been willing to use kind of

524
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: paramilitary methods within the United States to destroy political opponents.

525
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of what I'm worried about

526
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: is the next stage of this and obviously that can escalate.

527
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: Like I think it's it's a long road to the

528
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of violence we see in Afghanistan, but it's also

529
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: like the route on the road to that point is

530
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: bloody enough as it is, even if you never quite

531
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: get there. There's a lot of blood in between here

532
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and Kabul. You know, I feel like the mainstream assumption

533
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna let Joel and Guy say anything.

534
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Sorry to dominate, but like I just the I feel

535
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: like the centrist sort of mainstream assumption is that the

536
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: right is always going to be the outside like insurgency

537
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of in that insurgency position, And there's just such

538
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: a long history of violent right wing killing of people

539
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: on the left that is, you know, condoned and we're

540
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: sponsored by the Greensboro I think it was the seventies. Yeah, right. Also,

541
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: just to your point about the groups of people like

542
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: online saying that they want to stack the bodies of

543
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: people on the left growing exponentially, are you seeing the

544
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: same growth of people on the left like it? It

545
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: feels like the left hasn't really grown with it because

546
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: they're in sort of a weird political situation where like

547
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: the person in office is supposed to be somebody that

548
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: is on their side, and when they point out, no,

549
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: he's actually not doing shit, It's like, God, you guys

550
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: just can't consolidate around a single message. So I just

551
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: feel like the left is staying the same size, while

552
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: the right and right wing violence is like having this upsurge.

553
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I will say I have seen a significant rise equal

554
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: to the rise on the right in extremist left wing rhetoric,

555
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: but that doesn't all extremism is not created equal. It

556
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: is extreme to say I think we should in capitalism

557
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: overthrow the police entirely, redistribute all of the money of

558
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the billionaires, and and destroy the oil and gas industry,

559
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: and and institute a radical regime of ecological repair. That's

560
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: that's an extreme political attitude, right. I have seen that increase.

561
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: I've seen a variety of including like you know, stuff

562
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: that like like state communism, and all sorts of a

563
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different radical left wing ideologies have gotten

564
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: more popular, um, including some that that are like like

565
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: that approve of murdering people. Right. I think overall, the

566
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: amount of I've seen increased rhetoric talking about killing people

567
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: on the left is a fraction of what I've seen

568
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: on the right, because left wing extremist ideology rare is

569
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: less likely to talk about killing people. Right, there are

570
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: radical left wing strains of ideology that that want to

571
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: stack bodies, you know, but as a percentage of radical

572
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: left wing thought, it's lower than the percentage of radical

573
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: right wing thought that wants to stack bodies, because when

574
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you get right down to it, at the extreme end

575
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: of the right, that's all they actually believe in is

576
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: killing people, right like, that's that is the furthest right

577
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: ideology is all about groups of people need to be eliminated,

578
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: you know. Um And, whereas the kind of willingness to

579
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: kill people in radical left wing ideology often comes alongside

580
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: another specific sort of goal um or is a bioproductal.

581
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: You look at most of the people killed under communist regimes,

582
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't people being shot in the street. It was

583
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: like starvation because of terrible economic um and and agricultural policy.

584
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: So I I definitely we're living every kind of extremism

585
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: is more common now than it was five years ago.

586
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think the jump of people talking about

587
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: stacking bodies on the left. It's happened, but it has

588
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: not been nearly to the same kind of extent as

589
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it on the right. Joel got any questions

590
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: for Robert any thing to just add from your own perspectives, No,

591
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm black, slide to tune out. Uh, I can't. I

592
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: can no longer engage with sad white boys being like

593
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to shoot people. Well yeah, I mean like,

594
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: I mean truly like it, and to a much more

595
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: aggressive extent for anybody who a buys into this ship

596
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: or b is like just leefully elated at this ship,

597
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: Like I just don't have the energy or time to

598
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: invest in what has always been right. I feel like

599
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out here who all, right,

600
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: like just miss me with the pox shock he got off?

601
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: How what does it mean about I? Just like I can't.

602
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: I can no longer engage in and actively watching white supremacy,

603
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: and like grateful to people like Robert out there who

604
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: are like, no, not my watch, Like I would call

605
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: it out and I'm going to make sure that it's

606
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: in people's faces and that you can't avoid it, because

607
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: they're a lot of people who just want to pretend

608
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. But I am fully aware and for

609
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: my mental health. I've had to just take a large

610
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: step back from that and like, really just my new

611
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: goals for for probably the next three years is like,

612
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: let me focus on what I can do. I can't

613
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: solve a lot of big problems. I have a d

614
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: My focus is everywhere I can give it to people

615
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: just outside of my circle, trying to do really positive

616
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: things with their life and their time, like small self promotion.

617
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: We've got a program and I started a lovely producer

618
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: of this podcast. It's called Next Up. It is one

619
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: of those beautiful things ever ever to happen in my life.

620
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: Like we have kids trying to preserve their native languages,

621
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: and we have this young woman who so eloquently speaks

622
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: about her the assaults that have happened to her and

623
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: how she's using all of the terrible ship she's been

624
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: through to to be a victim's advocate in her own life.

625
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: We have people trying to rediscover lost history. Like that's

626
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: that's where I want to focus my energy. And I

627
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: think for a lot of us that are like I'm

628
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: firmly on the left, I would like see a lot

629
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: of radical politics happen. I'm hopefully, you know, trying to

630
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: support an engage with the people trying to make that happen.

631
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: But I just don't to work and operate my own

632
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: little circles and trying to make life better for those

633
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: people as best I can. Yeah, and I I think

634
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: that makes total sense. And I think part of what

635
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: you're getting at if an unmistaken is the idea that

636
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like paying attention to the

637
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: right people, like written House and also just like kind

638
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: of the thought leaders and stuff, it's not about, like

639
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: fuck doing that to dunk on them or to argue

640
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: with them, or to make a case as to why

641
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: they're legitimate, Like you shouldn't have to do that. Number one,

642
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: the only case you need to make is for the

643
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: things you know are necessary, for the things that you

644
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like believe in. In In one and number two, the only

645
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: reason to pay attention to them is the same reason

646
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: you would pay attention if there were a rattlesnake three

647
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: feet away from you. You're paying attention to know where

648
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: they are so that you can defend yourself and your

649
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: can entity from them. You're not paying attention with them

650
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: to like dunk on them or give them fuel for

651
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: their fire, Like I really think they just thrive. So

652
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, let's do an interview co written house.

653
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: He says, black lives matter. What does that mean? It

654
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: does mean ship. It does not mean ship to me

655
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: or anyone else, Like get out of here, nobody cares.

656
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Please go away. A little boy like you got so lucky.

657
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I think what most about cow written houses like you,

658
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: who were so blessed and lucky like you murdered people

659
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: And now the government is like, ahead, dude, go around

660
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: with your life's time. Go live that life store far

661
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: away from us. It's like it's just exhausting, and it's

662
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: the It's so frustrating because I have to believe, just

663
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: from a point of moral consistency, that any seventeen year

664
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: old in his position should get another chance to be

665
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: a human being and have a life. Because he's an abolitionists.

666
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't even like want him to ride. People are

667
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: like throw him in the basement of the cell, Like, no,

668
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: what if I'm doing for anybody? But I do want

669
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: you to be held accountable. That yeah, I don't. I

670
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: don't give a ship. If he says like, yeah, I

671
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: support Black lives matter. If twenty years from now he says,

672
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, what I regret everything I made terrible mistakes.

673
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: I was a brainwash and I'll be like, Okay, good

674
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: like you. I'm glad you've proved that people can change. Um.

675
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: But I don't care. I can't imagine Number one, I

676
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: don't think any of us should care what uh A

677
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have any insight into anything, um other

678
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: than how to be rich in the criminal justice system,

679
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: like to be to be honest, Like he's as useless

680
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: for for information on the criminal justice system is like

681
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: fucking o J was in ninety five, Like, yeah, you're

682
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: a guy who went unlimited money for lawyers and so

683
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: you got off. Like that's how it works. From the

684
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Daily Zags perspective, we're not right wing watch. It's not

685
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: like as much as possible, I try to avoid like

686
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: seeking out right wing, you know, perspectives, right like what

687
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: they're doing on the right. I'm mainly concerned with the

688
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: way that I'm seeing that perspective and for trade the

689
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: mainstream media. So like I feel like we're more mainstream

690
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: media watch, and it's becoming more and more common, Like

691
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: the window is moving in in that direction in a

692
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, there's also a new Yorker article

693
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are pointing to being like

694
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: this is a great like profile. It's called Kyle Rittenhouse,

695
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: American vigilante, tries to be very even handed and like

696
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: the reporter, like follows his family around, and it's very

697
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: sympathetic portrait of he and his family. That article also

698
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: quotes him and takes him at his word that he's

699
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: supportive of black lives matter, or that his family is,

700
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and that he didn't know what he was doing when

701
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: he was put throwing up white power hand signals in

702
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: a picture with proud boys, and it's just tacit sort

703
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: of uh steady state white supremacy of the mainstream that

704
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: I think is watching, Yeah, and I it's so uh

705
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: fucking bleak that I think one of the overwhelming lessons

706
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: of the last four or five years is that the

707
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: concept of journalism has overwhelmingly failed. It is a a

708
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: failure of an institution, a failure of an industry, a

709
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: failure of a discipline. On like a profound and almost

710
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: incomprehensible It didn't start five years ago. You know, you

711
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: can go back to the seventies, the eighties, read about

712
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: stuff like the c I A you know, basically dictating

713
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: press releases to The New York Times about regime change

714
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: in in Guatemala and Chile. But it it's it's just

715
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: it's this idea that, like a lot of there's a

716
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful idea that there would be a fifth

717
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: estate that has has as powerful as another branch of

718
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: the government, but exists purely to check its power and

719
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: is completely independent. Um. But that's that's nothing. But like

720
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: a load of horseshit and and profiles like that make

721
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: that point. Because as long as you can be sympathetic

722
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: to a a journalist who believes more than anything that

723
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: they should not be biased, that like the most important

724
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: thing in the world is that nobody nobody called them biased.

725
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: Um Like, that is always going to be the result

726
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: of that ship. It's why we get all of these

727
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: like fawning pro nazi articles. That's why we humanize people

728
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: like Trump's why we tried to humanize It's why Hitler

729
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: got humanized by the fucking New York Times and everybody

730
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: else when he was rising to power. It's because these

731
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: people desperately believe there have to be two sides to

732
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: every person, and because they're dumb in their hacks, and

733
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: that a New Yorker writer is a dumb hack. They

734
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: mistake being fair and empathetic. And you can and should

735
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: be empathetic about the case of Kyle Rittenhouse because it's

736
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: a tragedy. It's a tragedy for the people he killed,

737
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: as a tragedy for the community, and it's a tragedy

738
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: for him as an individual, because like he has, he

739
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: has destroyed any chance of ever having a life or

740
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: being a real person. And it's a tragedy that There's

741
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot to say about the United States, about the

742
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: way boys grow up here, about gun culture, about just

743
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the general worship of violence in our society, about right

744
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: wing media, about social media in general, and yes, about

745
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: about like the left wing media and protest called There's

746
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot in this story that a good journalist and

747
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: and some of that will involve being empathetic. You can't

748
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: just approach Kyle Rittenhouse as if he's as if he's

749
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: the devil, because he's not. He's a kid who made

750
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: a decision that he thought was justifiable in a mix.

751
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: I think in his head it was a mix of

752
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: wanting to be a hero and wanting to be a

753
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: man and being a man by killing people, and that's

754
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: a that's a compelling emotional story. But if you're just

755
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: a hack and a fraud, uh, the only way to

756
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: make something compelling is to pretend there's as much good

757
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: in someone's actions as there was bad. Like that's what

758
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: even handed means to hacks. And so you don't get

759
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't get a lot of good

760
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: journalism these days. And to your point, like that same

761
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: ideology of like we have to be even handed and

762
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: fair is keeping a lot of people who have anotherism

763
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: within their livelihood, whether that's raised, whether it's gender identity,

764
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, sexuality, whatever the case may be,

765
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: from being in these rooms. And we saw a lot

766
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: of that would have Coole Hannah Jones of just like

767
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: it is so on top of her game, and it's

768
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: still constantly like, oh, you can't put your prejudice because

769
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: you're black, How could you ever report about slavery? What

770
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: if you have if you had a black journalists report

771
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: on a Black Lives Matter protests or on police violence

772
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: against the black community, that's a conflict of interest, that's biased.

773
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: So let's just have another white dude do it, which,

774
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so it's so upsetting to have

775
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: so many friends who have actually studied journalism, who are

776
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: trying to do it ethically be kept out of these

777
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: rooms or kept at a pay rate where they cannot

778
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: live a full life, and just constantly be told either

779
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: you're not good enough, you haven't done enough studies, and

780
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: or your decision in life instantly makes you prejudice and

781
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: unable to evenly report on almost anything that has to

782
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: do with your livelihood. Is just it's an it's an

783
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: insane place to stand in the middle of me, like,

784
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: we could really use some great journalism now, and the

785
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: accidently have It's typically people who are unverified, and we're

786
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: just hoping that these folks on the ground have enough knowledge,

787
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: have actually done the research, have enough training to do

788
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: it because we can no longer trust the institutions that

789
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: have been around. Yeah, the most influential piece of journalism

790
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: last year into their my Old credit, the Pulitzers recognized

791
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: this was the young woman who took a video of

792
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: George Floyd getting murdered like that. That was the that

793
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: was more impactful than every article the New York Times

794
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: wrote that year put together um and it was impactful,

795
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't less good journalism because she looked at

796
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: what was happening was like, well this is wrong. Yeah right, yeah, alright.

797
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: I figured this would happen. I like, bring you on

798
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: and then ask you an hour's worth of questions, and

799
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: then I was just like, all right, well that was

800
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: an act of the podcast. But thank you for joining us.

801
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll, you know, continue this conversation. I'm sure

802
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: you'll be continued on your podcasts behind the Bastards and

803
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: it could happen here. That's that's very true. Jack. All right, Robert,

804
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We will be

805
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: right back and we're back, and let's let's talk about

806
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: McDonald's ice cream machine getting news. What we needed to

807
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: get you this all time. Not a lot to see here,

808
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: just capitalism working extremely well. Um So, for anyone who

809
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: who missed our first update on McDonald's ice cream machines,

810
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: they are notoriously out of order. Um Like you know,

811
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: there there are websites, there are apps even that are

812
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: used to track whether a McDonald's ice cream machine is

813
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: in order or not because the percentages that get thrown

814
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: around or like between ten and of the time they're

815
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: out of order. But in my experience it's been Yeah,

816
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: it's like, um, how often are you guys getting your

817
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: ice cream from McDonald's. Have you ever had mclurry you

818
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: would understand. Okay, it's not the card is all so

819
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: good guys, serve ice cream? Is that? Yeah? Man, we've

820
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: got we've got ice cream shoves done here. Sorry, I'm

821
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: American over here. That's it. In what I have to

822
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: imagine if anybody could please leak the pitch dock for

823
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: the sale of these machines, like the signing of the deal,

824
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: I have to imagine it rivals the PEPSI logo redesign

825
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: like for just like bullshit capitalism, like buzzwords. But they've

826
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: signed a contract to buy all their ice cream machines

827
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: from one company called Taylor. Taylor outfitted those ice cream

828
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: machines with a proprietary computerized interface. So the machines that

829
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: they bought from this company like promptly didn't work for ship.

830
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: McDonald's had to start spending money every time one broke

831
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: down to pay said company to fix them. Uh, since

832
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: they had this proprietary computerized interface that like nobody else

833
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: knew how to operate the company was making of their

834
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: revenue off of just repairing McDonald's ice cream machines, like

835
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: from that, not just they're not just their McDonald's revenue,

836
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: like all their revenue across the whole company, like a

837
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: quarter was just repairing their own I just want to

838
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like this is gonna be a Taylor.

839
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: But if you sell, if you menaged to sell it

840
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: a contract for your soft machines to McDonald's, right, hats off. Furthermore,

841
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: if you know that those are faulty machines, you're the

842
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: only person who can first them. Got got McDonald's. I'm

843
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: sorry you had a good runs mostly done this scam story.

844
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: Yet I'm literally about to tweet it at her because

845
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: this is in history. I think McDonald's pr was intelligent.

846
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: They'll be like, listen, we really want to pay our

847
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: employees more. We would, but already that's Taylor's fault. Okay.

848
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: If Taylor fixes our I sreaking permanently, everyone gets two

849
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: dollaries an hour, and then when people go back to McDonald's,

850
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: I feel I'm really seeing the dominoes here. So the

851
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: problem with that is that the people who signed the

852
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: deal with Taylor in the first place, which was a

853
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: stupid fucking deal obviously, like, uh, presumably that's a matter

854
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: of perspective, right, it's a bad deal, bad deal for McDonald's.

855
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: They still work for McDonald's and therefore they don't want

856
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: to admit it was a bad deal, so they just

857
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: doubled down on this relationship. A company named Kitch k

858
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: y t H company N yes, yes, uh Kitch came

859
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: through and started making essentially a game genie. I don't

860
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: know if you guys like our old old timey gamers,

861
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: but like this was a thing you could plug into

862
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: a Sega and Nintendo and it would just like make

863
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: it so you could like you had unlimited lives and

864
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: like the rules basically didn't apply to you. Like they

865
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: made a game Childhood for the for the McDonald's ice

866
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: cream machines that basically allowed people who worked at McDonald's

867
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: to work the ice cream machines without calling Taylor to

868
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: come through and like do the do that thing again.

869
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: My inclination is to side with Tyler here, No, unlike

870
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I side with Nintendo Saga. If you you know, you're

871
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: only cheating yourself if you get Infinity lives, You're not

872
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: learning any lessons when you're gaming, right, and if you

873
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: want to pull an ice cream you shouldn't be able

874
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: to do that easy if you if you're operating these machines,

875
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: it sounds like it should be a challenge. I have

876
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: a theory that Taylor it's somehow involved with Kitch, and

877
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: because I understand that capitalism is all about speaking people

878
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: into giving you more money, and frequently people will create

879
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: shell companies to be like, I know, look this one

880
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: right here, it's so good, Like we've got you covered

881
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: from all sides. You can't escape our business prowess. Well,

882
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: they were involved with them in the sense that they

883
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: took Kitch's invention, like basically reverse engineered it and then

884
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: like put Kitch out of order by getting McDonald's to

885
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: send a company wide like memo being like never used

886
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: the Kitch thing ever. Which again, so McDonald's is on

887
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Taylor's side because they, you know, signed the deal together

888
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: that was a bad and not efficient, and you know,

889
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: the people who are suffering here, unfortunately, are not the

890
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: people who signed that deal in the first place. It's

891
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: the employees who are having to work this broken fucking

892
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: ice cream machine that doesn't work, and head to like

893
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: that were reduced to like going on the black market

894
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: to find a game genie for their ice cream machine.

895
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: Like that's how much it ruined their job. I I

896
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: I smelled opportunity for Jack O'Brien soft se king. You crew,

897
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: you travel across America and you help out these employees

898
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: by showing them good soft se technique. Yes, so the documents,

899
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I get the feeling it has little to do with

900
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: they're not having good technique, which I am a little

901
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: bit like when when I get a McDonald's soft serve,

902
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm like call that a fucking are we are? We? Seriously,

903
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: they don't like a little baby like little columns. No,

904
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: it's fine, Joe, that's fine. It's just it could be better,

905
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: um when it's working. But so basically the documents have

906
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: revealed Taylor was sending emails being like, we gotta make

907
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: one as good as Kitch, like Kitches eating our lunch

908
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: and just like basically openly copying their thing while trying

909
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: to put them out of business. It's like anti competitive.

910
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: And this Wired article just makes a good point that

911
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: this is essentially actually it's a quote from one of

912
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: the Kitch employees. I think Kitch founders who said, you

913
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: might compare this to the F thirty five. It's like,

914
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: does Lockheed really want to finish this airplane or do

915
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: they want another one million dollar contract to fix some

916
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: component on the old one. It's like that is the

917
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: truth about how money is mostly spent in the economy,

918
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: in the American economy is it's like all these you know,

919
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: back door deals and like people bring their own ass

920
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: for making a stupid decision that then affects people who

921
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, had nothing to do with the decision and

922
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: have to like, you know, work with us on a

923
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Is it is there a parallel

924
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: to Theroanos where it's like we've got this great thing

925
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: and you tell everyone and you sell it to them,

926
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: and then people go, it's not quite working, and you're like,

927
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: you're right, but what we need is a little bit

928
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: more seed money, and then we're going to get this

929
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: thing working so good you're not gonna freaking believe it.

930
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: And then you just see how long you can stretch

931
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: the life for. You know, when you're a kid and

932
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: you're assume that adults are across everything, Yeah, this is

933
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: just that. It's like you assume you know, everyone knows

934
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: how everything works, but everyone's an idiot. Yeah, just yeah,

935
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: it's I want to help mydalds out here now because

936
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: of a definity of love for McDonald's or anything, but

937
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: just because like what if you guys and and hear

938
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: me out, just stop selling ice We're like, you know what,

939
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: the machine is broken. We're just not gonna use it

940
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: anymore and we're not gonna buy anymore. And it's gonna

941
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: be fine. What percentage of ice cream sales is McDonald's

942
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: like really, because it's like a dollar for can I

943
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: just really feel like they can go without and then

944
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: once that tailor contract expires, they could just be like, Okay,

945
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: now we're gonna pivot and I don't know, like sart

946
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: to do with Bengerry. He's okay, it's really gonna just upgrade.

947
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: You can sell it for more money. More people are

948
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: going to come through. There's gonna be a solution here

949
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't involve you. I just don't like when people

950
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: get screwed with. It really hurts my feelings. I feel like,

951
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? Why? More than that hate

952
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: wasting money. I don't understand how like so much money

953
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: has been wasted so many valuable man hours. What are

954
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: we doing this? I don't understand anything. I feel like

955
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: as soon as the Taylor contract expires will be a

956
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: new sales rip from a hot new company called Tyler

957
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: who shows up with I understand you had trouble with

958
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: some ice crew machines. I was. I just spent an

959
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: hour and a half food shopping on my local uh

960
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: Kroger late last night, and uh it's because they completely

961
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: reshuffled where everything is in the krograp and I got

962
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: to the you know, check out, and as I got

963
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: to the check out, a armed security guard came in

964
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: looking for a bottle of liquor and asked asked the

965
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: person who was checking me out, like where it was,

966
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: and he was like, he used to be in like

967
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: six but I honestly like don't know where the funk

968
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: anything is anymore. And then we just had a good,

969
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: a nice little like five minute complain about like how

970
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: we don't understand why they do it, and he was like, yeah,

971
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, somebody who gets paid way

972
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: more than me decided to do this and doesn't have

973
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: to deal with this ship at all. Well, the thing

974
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: is to make it more difficult for you to shop like.

975
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: It's a very specific tactic because if you know where

976
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: everything is, you can go in and grab what you

977
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: want and get out. But if you don't know where

978
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: everything is, you have to peruse the aisles and suddenly

979
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: you know you're picking up I don't know the new

980
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: top to Ben and Jerry's, but the caramel and it

981
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: so fucking good, or you know whatever, like because it

982
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: used to be like all of your Like you go

983
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: to any quarcry store, ever, you go to the left

984
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: and that's where your vegetables and fruits are. You come

985
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: to the door, all your veges and fruits are here

986
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: back wall, it's all of your dairy products right and

987
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: down the sides, and got anything else that needs to

988
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: be refrigerated but indirectly dairy related. And then you know

989
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: your eyles are chopped up. However those are chopped up.

990
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: Typically you're working your way into more processed sugar things, um,

991
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: but then they switch it up, so you gotta you

992
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: gotta really get in there and look for what you

993
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: want and hopefully buy more things. Is this the American way?

994
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: In New Zealand, it's totally different. You go they're all

995
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: these they're all open air and they're not shells. You'm

996
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: just with HISSI and sex and they walk around and

997
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: they waved, they waved their whiz and yeah, you're again

998
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: bragging about his like beautiful board plan comes from God.

999
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: We have to get out of your man. I'd feel

1000
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot less stupid if I hadn't gone in just

1001
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: looking for s os PAN scrubbing pads and come out

1002
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: with like two dollars worth of groceries. I think I

1003
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: think they fucking got me. Joel. I think you're right.

1004
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than doing that. And you're carrying around

1005
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: the little basket and you like this will cover everything,

1006
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: that's right, then you're playing Tetris with your groceries. Yeah, man,

1007
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: well guy Joel as well. It's been such a pleasure

1008
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: having both of you. Guys. Where can people find you

1009
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: and follow you? You can find me in Auckland at

1010
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: my house and that's been true for a long time.

1011
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: But if that is not enough for you can find

1012
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: me online, which is Twitter and Instagram at guy under School.

1013
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Mont and I recently released am I self released on

1014
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: band camp A stand up show, My hour long stand

1015
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: up show from earlier this year when it was legal

1016
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: to do stand up comedy in this country. Um, it's

1017
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: called Guy Montgomery by name, Guy Montgomery by nature, and

1018
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: it's it's five US dollars on band camp, which I'm

1019
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: pretty sure is like, um, a dime for you guys.

1020
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's it's great value. Yeah, awesome that

1021
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: I will be going to buy that right after we

1022
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: end this meeting. Uh. And is there a tweet or

1023
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying. Yeah,

1024
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: there was a tweet I saw the other day that

1025
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, the word economy on this

1026
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: is out of sight. It's by a Twitter user at

1027
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: arson Doer, so pretty incriminating handle. But the tweet was

1028
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: if smoking so bad, why does it cure salmon? I

1029
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: mean beautiful, so perfect and such a perfect dad joke

1030
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: and in line with the sensibility of the show that

1031
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: it has been used before. But we we will allow

1032
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: account account beat this is I like, I knew I

1033
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: was coming on the show a week ago, and I

1034
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna put that to the side, and

1035
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: then you know, so I'm dirty dog in the trade.

1036
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: I think it was Miles, So you complain it, Uh, Joel,

1037
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: where can people find you? What is the tweet you've

1038
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Yes, you can find me all over the internet.

1039
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Actual when he gets j O E L E E

1040
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: M O and I Q you E yes um, Shelle

1041
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: Ce Clark on Twitter tweet something is really beautiful. I

1042
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: believe in science from the universe, little gifts here and

1043
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: there if you're looking for them. I'm trying to make

1044
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot of small but impactful changes, as my therapist

1045
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: likes to call them. Uh, it's not easy, but Michelle

1046
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Clark said, staying committed to healthy daily habits is like

1047
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: writing a series of love letters to your future self.

1048
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: And it really resonated with me, And if you're also

1049
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: trying to make a little, small and significant changes for

1050
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: a better life, hopefully resonates with you too. That's nice.

1051
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter. Jack Underscore O'Brien a

1052
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Jamie Loftus at Jamie

1053
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: Loftus help. What is a holiday but a family member

1054
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: calling you Mrs fucking Hollywood when you refused to eat

1055
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: spaghetti from a zip lock bag and then Tom Gara

1056
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: just gave us a little piece of nonfiction that has

1057
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: stuck with me since I read it earlier this morning. Uh,

1058
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: he said, A tragic airplane moment. We've been sitting on

1059
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: the tarmac waiting to take off for two hours. The

1060
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: guy in front of us fell asleep immediately upon boarding.

1061
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: He just woke up and started getting ready to get

1062
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: off the plane. He thought we'd landed. My wife broke

1063
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: the news to him. Mabe's I've I've been that guy

1064
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: in a slightly I would say, even more disciding situation,

1065
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: which was I was at White when the plane took off,

1066
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: and I fell asleep once we were in the sky,

1067
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: and then we got to where we're meant to land,

1068
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: but it was too windy to land, and so the

1069
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: plane circled back and landed at the original airport. Oh

1070
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: my god. When I woke up and was like, all

1071
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: right all the night time? Man? Uh all right. Well,

1072
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter at daily zeit Guys.

1073
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: We're at the Daily zeit Geist on Instagram. We have

1074
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: a Facebook fan page and a website Daily zeit Guys

1075
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes on our foot notes,

1076
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: where we link off to the information that we talked

1077
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: about in today's episode. As well as a song that

1078
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy. And I am going to

1079
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: uh recommend you go check out Earl Sweatshirts new song

1080
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: two thousand ten, which is just a dope song. Lyrically,

1081
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: he seems to just continue to get better and better, um,

1082
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: and I really like to go check that out. The

1083
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: Daily Zoie Guys is a production of I Heart Radio.

1084
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my heart Radio, visit the I

1085
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen your

1086
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: favorite shows. That's gonna do it for us this Monday morning.

1087
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: We're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and

1088
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you all that bite