1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey you, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's our ghost 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: podcaster producer who's invisible, the ghost of Jerry's past, actually 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: the ghost of Jerry's present. Jerry's not dead, everybody, No, 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: that just sounded weird. We're keeping Jerry around. Yes, she 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: just out this week. Yeah, there you go. Um, So 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: it's just us, Chuck, just a couple of boys batching it, 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: just some good old boys, never meaning no harm. No, 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: something something bit in trouble with the loss. It's the 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: day we were born. I don't think there's something something 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: before then? Is there m something something, something been in trouble. Yeah, 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: right now, I don't know. Well, go well, we'll look 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: it up. You know. It's funny. There's a great and 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: we might have talked about this years ago, but there's 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: a great website called Atlanta time Machine where you can 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: go back and look at old pictures of Atlanta and 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: compare him to new pictures and all that stuff. And 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: they have some movie specific pictures now, and they have 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: the Dukes of Hazard Pilot shoot photos which was. They 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: eventually moved it out in the country, but like most 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: of the dukes of Hazard Pilot, all those car chases 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: were in like midtown Atlanta. Isn't that crazy? But it 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: was the original Bowen Luke. Wow, who was the Who's 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: saying the theme song? Is it walk Tosh? Whale Jennings? 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Wasn't he the narrator? It was Whale Jennings. What was 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: that first thing he said? Walk Tosh? What does that mean? 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: That's his nickname? Really, walk Tosh Whale Jennings. You never 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: heard that? Well it is? I love Whale Jennings. Yeah, 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: he's great. Apparently he and Johnny Cash were um roommates 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: and highwaymen back well way back in the day. Yeah, 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: both of them were on drugs, but they didn't other 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: people didn't know that. So they both used to like 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: be on drugs but not tell each other about it. 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: And um, I guess it came out later that they 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: they were like, you're on drugs, said so was I. 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: It's like I used to keep on drugs in the 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: air conditioner and Johnny Cash is like, that's why the 39 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: air conditioner never worked and why and Jones was like, 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I used to keep minding the TV and Johnny Cash 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: is whoever? Yeah, their TV never worked in the a 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: C never worked because that's where they stashed their drugs 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: without the other one knowing it. Why what are the 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: drugs due to the TV and the air conditioner? I 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: got them pretty wasted? What a weird start. Yeah, it 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: is a little weird start, especially because what we're talking 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: about has nothing to do with drugs, Johnny Cash or 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: Waylon Jennings or air conditioners. TV really has to do 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: with the CIA, submarines, the USSR, and Howard Hughes, among 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: other things. Been hitting a kissinger? Are you kissing him? 51 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: His interesting? He's still alive too. Maybe you'll hear this. 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: I've never seen you hiss before. I know. It's kind 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: of threatening, is it, Yeah, because I do have like 54 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: really sharp key nine. Yeah, you should. You should totally 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: hiss more often. I should, and I should chart him 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: these things. I should file them down. Oh people do that, 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I know, but surely that has to hurt, right to 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: file them down? Yeah, how does it not? Don't you 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: have nerd? No, they don't hit the nerves, They just 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: I guess you're right. Yeah, I might do that in 61 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: the meantime, let's talk about something. Well, let's let's go 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: back to the beginning. Okay, it's I'm not exactly sure, Wayne, 63 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: because look, the first part of my page ripped. Does 64 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: it say when in night it does? You want to guess? 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm holding the keys May March. It 66 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: was pre summer of barely. Oh yeah, everybody's just getting started. 67 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Is the summer of four play? Everyone's getting looped up? Right? 68 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: It so? Um March of in the northwestern Pacific, as 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: far as the United States is concerned, um, which should 70 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: be between say Hawaii and some far out islands in 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Alaska and whatever else is out there. There's not a 72 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: lot out there. Apparently Hawaii is the most remote island 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: chain in the world. Did you know that there's no 74 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: island chain that's further away from other land than Hawaii, 75 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: even like when you look at the globe, those teeny 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: tiny islands. From what I understand, so say Hawaiians at 77 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: least anyway, basically out in the middle of nowhere in 78 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: the northwest Pacific, there's a Soviet sub It was a 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Gulf to go O l F two Soviet submarine. They 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: called it the Cabriola for a little while. But but 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: that's those were the subs with the rag top. Yeah, 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: those didn't work out. Um, the the this golf to 83 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: sub was called the K one. Surely it had an 84 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: actual name, right, No, I think they called him the 85 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: K whatever. All right, Well, the K one twenty nine 86 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: was on a routine patrol mission. These are the Soviets state. 87 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: They weren't glib about you know what's called this one, 88 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: the Hannah Montana exactly right, so that it was just 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: the Kine all business, which actually is kind of reassuring. 90 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: Because it was a nuclear submarine. Um, it had not 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: only a nuclear missile, like a nuclear missis you could 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: come up to the surface and shoot on to say, 93 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: the United States, it also had nuclear torpedoes, which I 94 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: had no idea where a thing a nuclear torpedo. It's 95 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of overkilled them to think. No, not if you're 96 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: underwater and you want to shoot a nuclear bomb at somebody, Well, okay, 97 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: then that really fits the bill. Well, it turns out 98 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: that some of these nuclear tip torpedoes detonated, and there 99 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: wasn't a full nuclear detonation obviously obvious, but it was 100 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: enough to blow a hole in the submarine. And I 101 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: think kickoffs some other detonations in some of the other 102 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: nuclear torpedoes and the upshot. All this was that the 103 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: entire person crew and the Soviet submarine in the middle 104 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: of the Cold War sunk about six hundred miles or 105 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: fift hundred miles north west of Hawaii. Uh and hit 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: the bottom at sixteen thousand feet more than three miles down. Yes, 107 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: and so kicks off the story of Project as Orient 108 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: and the Glomar Explorer. Uh So, what happens, of course, 109 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: is the Soviets go looking for this thing. Uh. They 110 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: spend a couple of months pretty massive search, couldn't find it. 111 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: The US is kind of laughing and saying, they haven't 112 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: found their own sub yet. Maybe we should go out 113 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: there and take a look, because we could probably get 114 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: some intel, maybe salvage of nuclear warhead for ourselves, spray 115 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: paint a smiley face that says, uh, something like right 116 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: back at you, that's a good one, and then throw 117 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: it their way. Uh. In In nineteen August of nineteen 118 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: sixty eight, just you know, quite a few months later, 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: they actually found it. The United States of America located 120 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah, so they they this is the official story. 121 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I figured up from researching this story. 122 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: You can also go ahead and assume that all of 123 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: this is fabricated and that there's actually other stuff that 124 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: was actually going on. Yeah, this is the story that's 125 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: been handed like this. This actually maybe the story that 126 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: like covers up an assassination in um Brazil or something 127 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: like that. That could be the whole reason this story exists, 128 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: because we're talking about a covert operation in the sixties 129 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and seventies by the c I. A okay, so just 130 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: take everything with the an assault. But the story is 131 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: it was reported, and as far as the CIA has 132 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: ever admitted, was that the Air Force and the Navy 133 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: both had listening devices throughout the Pacific, and somebody at 134 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: some point said, well, wait a minute, why don't we 135 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: get these two together and see if there's any data, 136 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: any sounds that were picked up from the sub exploding, 137 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: and see if we can pinpoint it basically triangulate with 138 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: only two data points, which is I guess straight line right, Yeah, yeah, 139 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: that that is what it would be called. But supposedly 140 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: they did it, and they found where the sub was, 141 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and like you said, the US was laughing because they 142 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: were watching the Soviets look in all the wrong places. 143 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: And then after a couple of months, the Soviets called 144 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: off this the search. And it was quite obvious to 145 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: the to the Americans that the Soviets had no idea 146 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: where the sub was, which made us think, maybe we 147 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: should check this thing out, maybe we can go get it. 148 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: So we have two choices. We can call them and 149 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: let them know where it is, or we can go 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: get it ourselves. And this is the height of the 151 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: Cold War. Yeah, so they weren't about to go with 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: choice one. No, so option to came upon the table, 153 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: and we got our own sub called the Halibu, so 154 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: we had fun names. The Halibu dropped a camera down 155 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: there on a sled and took a bunch of pictures 156 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: of this thing. Verified it's down there. It's intact. We 157 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: don't know for sure if we can go get it, 158 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: but we should try because if we can get this thing, 159 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: not only do we have potentially uh information on how 160 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: these warheads are being built by them, but we might 161 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: also be able to bust their codes with this cryptographic 162 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: equipment they have down there. And so let's launch a project. 163 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: And we love naming things, so let's name it Project 164 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: as Orian. Yeah, I guess that's the name of a 165 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: person from the Zores. Maybe maybe no idea where they'd 166 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: come up with these names, God love them, who knows, 167 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: But um, project as Orian was the name of this. 168 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: This this idea to go see if we can get 169 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: this sub right. Yeah, which means, of course we're not 170 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: gonna go out there next week and start looking like 171 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: there's a long process that has to be undertaken before 172 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: we can even figure out if we can do this right. 173 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: So they actually did get together like a working group, 174 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: a top secret working group of engineers and uh nautical 175 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: engineers and any kind of engineer you can think of, 176 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: and said, how would you do this? There's a submarine, 177 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: a hundred ton submarine three feet long. That's that's a 178 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: thing in and of itself. It's a big sub like 179 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: that would be hard to pick up off land, sure, 180 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: but it's not on land. It's underwater. It's sixteen thousand, 181 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: five hundred ft under the surface of the Pacific Ocean 182 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere about is in the middle 183 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: of nowhere as you can get And um, how could 184 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: we do this? How can we possibly pick this up? 185 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: And wait, wait, wait, before you answer you, and and years. 186 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: The Soviets can have no idea what we're doing, because 187 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: they will probably think any ship that they thought was 188 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: going after this. I love this stuff more than most 189 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: stuff in the world. Like when there's this incredibly challenging, 190 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: almost insurmatical, insurmountable task and people get a lot of 191 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: smart people together and say, let's start brainstorming and how 192 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: if this is even possible. I just think it's really 193 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: cool that. And I bet these people, the engineers are like, 194 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a dream to come up 195 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: and try and solve this problem. Plus the CIA said 196 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: that they are holding my family hostage. I better get 197 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: to work. So they decided, here's what the only way 198 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: we can try this is by doing this. It's gonna 199 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: involve three large vessels. One is a recovery ship that 200 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: basically has a chamber with the bottom that could open 201 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: and close like that ship in the Abyss. Yeah, a 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: moon pool. In fact that James Cameron totally glow marred 203 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: this totally for his own needs. Uh, it would have 204 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: a docking legs system that basically turned it into an 205 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: underwater on the ocean floor platform that I did not get. 206 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: I think just basically it goes down there instead of 207 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: like hovering in place, turns into a a building. But 208 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I didn't understand how, But yes, that's 209 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: that is the understanding. Well, I had four legs, but 210 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: that's crazy. That means they had four three mile long legs. 211 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: That doesn't make much sense, that does you know what 212 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean? I need to see a picture. I've seen 213 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: pictures of it. I still don't know what really with 214 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: the legs. Yeah, well I don't know then. So but 215 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: that's that's one. That's the ship that they sail out 216 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: there to undertake the whole mission, right, Yeah, there's two 217 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: others that they have to come up with. Two. That's right, 218 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: captured vehicle. So that had a grab right on it. Yeah, 219 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: like one of those banana clips that girls used to 220 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: wear in the nineties. Yeah, but for tons submarine. Yes, 221 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just like, hey, use a little grabber 222 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,119 Speaker 1: like that banana clip. It had. It was specifically designed 223 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: to attach to the submarine. It was the one the 224 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: one thing it was designed to do. That's correct. So 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: that's that's step two. If you have one of these 226 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: things and you're loading it onto a massive ship, I 227 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: think a seven hundred foot ship is what they came 228 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: up with. Foot long ship many many meters long, so 229 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: many meters um. Somebody's gonna say, what is that? Well, 230 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the Soviets would yes, because they're flying over the US 231 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: with their spy satellites ever since Sputnik got up there, 232 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: so they're gonna want to know what that is. The 233 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Soviet analysts are going to point this out. So if 234 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: you have this big long ship that sticks out like 235 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: a sore thumb, because what are you doing with that thing? 236 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: What are you also doing with this big grabber? How 237 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: do you get around the grabber part at least chuck? 238 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: Uh oh, the grabber. Yeah, we must be talking about 239 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the barge. So this is pretty amazing. This thing had 240 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: a retractable sunroof basically, uh. And it was the whole 241 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: reason this thing was here was to hide everything right right, 242 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: So it was they built the grabber vehicle, the vehicle 243 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: number two, inside the barge. But like you said, the 244 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: barge had a sunroof. The thing about the barge was 245 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: it was also designed to be submersible. So what they 246 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: did was they built a barge that they built the 247 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: grabber inside of floated the barge out to this huge 248 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: six eighteen foot ship, Ship number one, submerged it underneath 249 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: the ship, opened up the sunroof on the barge, opened 250 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: up the moon pool on the big ship, and raised 251 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: the grabber vehicle into the six eighteen foot ship, so 252 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: that the Soviets never even knew the grabber vehicle existed. 253 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: They never saw it. It just didn't exist. And they 254 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: had to build all this stuff from scratch. It wasn't 255 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: just like they had a grabber laying around that fit 256 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: a Soviet sub precisely, or this barge that could become 257 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: invisible Bible accounts and and they so this was basically 258 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: this is what this this working group came up with, 259 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: like these are the things you need to do this? Yes, 260 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: And the CIA said, who can we possibly get? Who 261 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: in the world, Well, Howard Hughes, Yes, Mr Howard Hughes 262 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: specifically the Suma or Summa Corporation, and that was a 263 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: part of the Hughes Tool Company. And they said, go 264 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: build this thing at thirty six thousand tons six eighteen 265 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: feet like you said. And they called it the Hughes 266 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Glomar Explorer because Global Marine was the company that operated it. 267 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: And that's just an abbreviation of global marine. I did 268 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: not know until a couple of days ago. Yeah, it's 269 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: sort of a disappointing end to what glomar meant. Yeah, 270 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: because it sounds kind of like space ag. It definitely does, like, Wow, 271 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: look at the healthy glow from radiation exposure on that thing, glomar. 272 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Glomar has got a great glow. And here's the other 273 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: cool thing. Because this would, I mean, there would still 274 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: be a big beheam of ship out there in the 275 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: ocean in the Pacific, and the Russians would wonder what 276 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: was going on. So they said, here's the deal. There 277 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: are actually it happened to sink in an area of 278 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: the Pacific where there are a lot of manganese, really 279 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: valuable manganese nodules underwater. So we'll just concoct the story 280 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: that said, Howard Hughes built this thing. You know how 281 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: crazy he is uh to go out there and try 282 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: and mind the ocean's depths to get even richer. And 283 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: people actually bought that, right, the press even bought it. 284 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: They went to the trouble of of saying this is 285 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: actually really good cover story because there was manganese deposits 286 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: in the area it checked out. There was the idea 287 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: of deep sea mining was very new, so there wasn't 288 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: There was the idea that this would be a good idea, 289 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: but no one had tried to undertake it yet, so 290 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: the Soviets couldn't have been like, uh, that's not a 291 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: deep sea mining ship. No one knew it a deep 292 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: sea mining ship looked like yet. Plus it was very 293 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: exactly right. He was extremely wealthy, so he had the 294 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: kind of money to just undertake deep sea mining and 295 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: be the first one. But he also operated in strict secrecy, 296 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: and the press used to watch his operations and projects 297 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: from the outside and just make guesses about it and 298 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: and and create rumors. But it didn't matter because it 299 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: was all just conjecture and rumors. Right, So, um, it 300 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: was a perfect cover story. And then add on to 301 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: the top that Hughes was already in bed with the 302 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: US government in a number of ways, but including making 303 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: spy satellites in highly classified, top secret projects. It was 304 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't have come up with a better person to 305 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: helm the actual carrying out of this of the project. 306 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Should we take a break, Yeah, m all right, So 307 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: this this took a while. Um it was like years 308 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: had passed between the sub sinking and then actually saying 309 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: all right, I think we have a plan to do 310 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: this and we can get this done. And by the 311 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: time that came around, they said, wait a minute, like, 312 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: should we even should we go take another look at 313 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: this thing still intact? Should we bother? Is this still relevant? 314 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: Is it an asset or is it just some rusty, old, 315 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, hunk a metal at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. 316 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: Is it basically like a museum thing now? Yeah, So 317 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: they said, and we're not into Russian museums, let's be honest. 318 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: So they did form another committee, were great at that, 319 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: and they did take another look and they said, you 320 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: know what, let's go down there, guys, because even though 321 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: these missiles, the S S N five missiles are no 322 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: longer like their big threat, they do have the S 323 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: S IN eight. Maybe we could glean some technology and 324 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: and how these things operate, and there's still that cryptographic 325 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: equipment down there, which would be a good asset for 326 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: our intelligence. So they said, okay, let's do it. Come on, guys, 327 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: let's do it. There was another thing too, there's this 328 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: great um I O nine article on this this very 329 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Project um and the author found some uh publication of 330 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: of memos about Project is orient and one of the 331 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: things was that they were saying, like, yes, it's still 332 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: worth it intelligence wise and everything, but more to the point, 333 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: we're locked in the punch here, like the US can't 334 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: afford to seem wishy washy to its contractors. That's so 335 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: we need to do this regardless. Yeah, that's kind of 336 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: nutty when you think about it. That the the risk 337 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: of pissing off Howard Hughes, I guess was too great. 338 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: And I mean it sort of makes sense in a 339 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: way because if he was a big time contractor for them, yeah, 340 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: that relationship going. But yeah, there's not that many top 341 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: secret contractors that you know you can't trust, and yeah, 342 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to take them off, right. Very interesting though, 343 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: are we saying piste off now? Is that a thing? 344 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: I guess it made an appearance in the last episode two. 345 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Did I say that? Just no, no, no. The the 346 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: the listener, male guy Peter Oh about vaping. Yeah, he said, 347 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm piste off. If you can't if you can't tell, well, 348 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I appreciate you drawing attention to well, 349 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out if Jerry bleeps all this 350 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: out or if we get booted out of the sixth 351 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: grade classes around the world. Yeah, kids, what you should 352 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: say is ticked off, and you really shouldn't say that. 353 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: You should say that. I'm going to use my words 354 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: and let you know that what you just said bothered me. 355 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: Oh is that what you're supposed to say? Yeah? Okay, 356 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: speak like an adult. So how adult speak? I say, 357 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: piste off. Um. Here's the other side note, and this 358 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: will come into play later, is that there was another 359 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: memo that said, you know what, there are bodies down there, 360 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: and according to the Geneva Convention, there's a proper way 361 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: that you handle even in quote unquote enemies remains, and 362 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna abide by that, and we're gonna take all 363 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: the stuff we need to make sure that we can 364 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: do that in a respectful way. Uh, because this will 365 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: eventually probably come out and at least maybe that will 366 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: be a slight goodwill gesture to the Russians that say, hey, 367 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: we were very respectful of your dead seamen. So they 368 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: outfitted the huge Glomar Explorer Blorer Explorer, the h g 369 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: E with UM I think a capacity to handle one bodies, 370 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. If you were a sailor 371 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: engineer on the huge Glomar Explorer might have made you 372 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: a little nervous, considering there were ninety eight sailors on 373 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: the sub that you were going to get two more 374 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: dead guys. I don't think that was by accident either. 375 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: They didn't just round up to a nice even hundred 376 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: could ever coolers they I'm sure they're like, yeah, two 377 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: people will probably die on this mission, that's right. So um, 378 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: there's there's another memo from I think the V four 379 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: June three, and UM. It basically said, hey, all this 380 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: stuff's ready. The ship's ready, the UM grabb her claws, 381 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: vehicles ready, the barge is even ready. Everything's ready. Let's 382 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: do this. So are we gonna do it or not? 383 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: They estimated at chance of UM success, which they were 384 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: like threw the moon over the moon about. Yeah, they 385 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: were over the moon pool about this, which is interesting, 386 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: but I guess when it's something something that tough to accomplish, 387 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: UM and that innovative and and bleeding edge apparently wasn't 388 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: too bad, No, not at all. So and that was 389 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: like of a success, chance of ercent success. Yeah, okay, 390 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: so well, oh yeah, sure, so they the project has 391 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: approved June five, and just a few days later on 392 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: June the ship departed the Hughes Glomar explored departed I 393 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: believe the port of Los Angeles. Yeah. And another wrinkle 394 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: that will come up a little bit later is because 395 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: this was so covert, they couldn't surrounded by battleships or 396 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: have F sixteen. Well they probably don't have X. I 397 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: don't know when the sixteen came about. I think maybe 398 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: like the sixties or something. I'm sorry to all the aviators, 399 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're way off. But whatever fighter jets they 400 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: had at the time, um, they they couldn't draw attention 401 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: to themselves by being protected like that. It would be 402 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: really weird if there was a naval or air force 403 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: escort for a Manganese ship. Right. Yeah, this is a 404 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: pretty uh I want to read this. So this is 405 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: pretty great. This quote from the CIA to kind of 406 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: just drive at home of what a task was before them. 407 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: Someone in the CIA said this, imagine standing atop the 408 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Empire State Building with an eight foot wide grappling hook 409 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: on a one inch diameter steel rope. Your task is 410 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: to lower the hook to the street below, snag a 411 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: compact car full of gold, and lift the car back 412 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: to the top of the building. And on top of that, 413 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: the job has to be done without anyone noticing. And 414 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: that essentially describes what happened there. That's what they were 415 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: doing when they when they shipped out. That was the 416 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: task ahead of them, right, yes, and add to this 417 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: that it keeps getting worse. Well, yeah, but the Soviets, 418 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: we're still surveilling everything. Right, So remember like they couldn't 419 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: have a U. S. Navy escort of the deep sea 420 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: mining ship. That just looked really weird. But that's not 421 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: to say the Soviets didn't send their navy out to 422 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: see what was up. So for the first two weeks 423 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: after the huge Glomar explorer made made it to its 424 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: its destination and started working, there were Soviet ships surveilling 425 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: them basically twenty four hours a day for the first 426 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: fourteen days. So these guys are actually undertaking raising a 427 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: Soviet sub within sight of Soviet naval ships watching them, 428 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: and the Soviet they were really nervous at this point. 429 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: They didn't know if the Soviet navy was going to 430 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: try to board the Glomar Explorer just to be like, 431 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: what are you guys doing. You're making us nervous, And 432 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: apparently the CIA, one of the CIA offers on board, 433 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: like we need to stack some crates on our helicopter 434 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: landing pad to prevent them from landing UM. And there 435 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: was a I don't know exactly what alert status it 436 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: was on, but maybe high alert, which was there's a 437 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: chance of soviets are gonna board, there's sensitive materials on board. 438 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: The team that's in charge of destroying those sensitive materials. 439 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: You guys are on alert. The people charged with defending 440 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: the team. You guys are on alert, but we're not 441 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: gonna give you guns yet because we haven't reached that. 442 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: This is the tension. What were they supposed to do 443 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: like karate? I think karate chop. It was like you 444 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: can karate, um, but don't shoot them. They're probably gonna 445 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: shoot you, but just deflect the bullets with your karate chops. 446 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: So they're out on the ocean. UM. It's very complicated mission, 447 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: to say the least. So you've got your ocean currents 448 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: at work. You have to maintain your position through those. 449 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: That's hard enough. Then you had to lower this capture 450 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: vehicle by doing this, adding sixty ft pieces of steel pipe, 451 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: one at a time, connecting to each other sixty ft 452 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: at a time, three miles down right to lower that 453 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: recovery vehicle down to the sub and then when it 454 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: gets down there, it has to be just in the 455 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: right position. Two straddle over that submarine and get that 456 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: grabb her out, attach it to the hull, and then 457 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: reverse that whole process by now towing a freaking submarine 458 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: by taking one sixty ft length pipe off at a 459 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: time until you're raising the sub like that. You know 460 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: what I need to see to understand this fully is 461 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: remember the beginning of Titanic when James Cameron did that 462 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: terrible obvious recreation of what happened to sink the Titanic. 463 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: Was at the very beginning when Bill Paxton was in 464 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: modern days and they're out searching for the Jewel of 465 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: the Sea, and he says, well, that guy with the beard, 466 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, the nerd, fat bearded guy that's in every movie, 467 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: to explain what's going on, And he said, here's how 468 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: the Titanic sunk. And it did a little recreation on 469 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: the screen and showed exactly how it happened, just so 470 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: everyone would know. That's what I need to see. I 471 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: need a chubby bearded guy to explain to me visually 472 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: that's not me or page. You want to be up 473 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: and you want to be inception. Yeah, no, I know 474 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: what you mean. The problem is that there are so 475 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: many holes in this story. I need a picture book. 476 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: But everybody's everybody accepts that there's holes in the story 477 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: because it's a covert CIA operation. Yeah, that is just 478 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: will probably never fully be explained. Although there have been 479 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: interviews with people who are on this ship. They could 480 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: probably tell you, we'll look him up after this. Yeah. 481 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: And at the very end of that whole process of 482 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: bringing this thing up, then it's not like they get 483 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: it up kind of close enough to the ship and 484 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: they're like, all right, it's thirty ft below us, we'll 485 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: just glide in from here. Then they had to suck 486 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: it on board and it in the docking well successfully. Yes. 487 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: I could you imagine getting it to where it's right 488 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: below them and then it breaks free. I'd be so nervous. 489 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: And that's kind of almost what happened. That's close to 490 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: what happened. So remember the Soviet navy is circling them, 491 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: and they're lowering this claw down to the sub. But 492 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: also like, we're not doing anything over here, just right. 493 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: So um, they reached the sub and start doing the 494 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: submersible claw thing, and um at that time the Soviet 495 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: Navy two's three times, so like pee pee peep, see 496 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: you later, and they laughed for good. And so the 497 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: the Glomar explorer starts raising the sub. They get it. 498 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea how they know they've gotten it, 499 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: but they've got the sub. I don't know how they 500 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: directed this thing over the sub. I don't understand either. 501 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm totally with you, But as far as the story 502 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: is concerned, the claw got the sub and they started 503 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: raising it, and they got it over the course of 504 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: a few days of my file up, and then all 505 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, an extremely incredible accomplishment. I know, imagine 506 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: trying to sleep while this thing is like slowly being Yeah, 507 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: you would not, you'd not be able to. But there 508 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: was an engineer who was on the ship who later 509 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: recounted in an interview that there was something that felt 510 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: like about a ten second long earthquake on the ship. 511 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: And he said, you knew something bad had happened. Yeah, 512 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: and this was right after he said it's going great, everybody. 513 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: We can't lose now that first mile is the trickiest. Yeah. So, 514 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess was it an earthquake? No, it 515 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: was the sub breaking up in the subversible claw. Oh okay, 516 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: I thought that caused it to break up. No, he 517 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: said it felt like an earthquake. That's how big of 518 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: a an energetic release it was. So the sub breaks apart. 519 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: I guess it had been down there so long that 520 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: it uh, it just wasn't you know, it wasn't viable 521 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: as a single solid piece of anymore. Here's what I 522 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: think happened, based on some other stuff, like later memos. 523 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: They said that they needed to redesign the claw so 524 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: that it wasn't as britty. Yeah, the banana clip, so 525 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: that it wasn't as brittle, and um that it was. Well, 526 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: so it wasn't as brittle. I think the claw broke 527 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: up and and some of the sub was able to 528 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: fall out. Some remained in it's held into the grabber, 529 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: but most of the sub this is a three ft 530 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: sub um about two hundred and sixty feet of it 531 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: broke off and fell back a mile down to the 532 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: ocean floor. So I thought you meant that the grabber 533 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: should have had like, did anybody think to put felt 534 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: on this grab right or rubber tips on the end 535 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: of the clause? No they didn't, I know. So the 536 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the most of the sub, including all the stuff the 537 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: CIA was after, the the the code books, the con 538 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: tower that we had, the galley, right, they ate, well, like, 539 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: I guess that's okay, I love borished, so that it 540 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: is a silver lining. Yeah, they only got what of 541 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: this thing? Yeah, so which which it was the four 542 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: of the sub. The four of the sub stayed in 543 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: the grabber claw and they were able to bring it 544 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: the rest of the way up and salvage it, which 545 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: included the nuclear torpedoes. Unfortunately for the CIA and everybody aboard. Um, 546 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: the nuclear torpedoes were of course something that had detonated, 547 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: so they all suffered from some plutonium exposure as well. Yeah, 548 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: so it was it was their exposure was consistent with 549 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: the fact that there was in fact nuclear materials, right, Yeah, 550 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: that they had been exposed to these nuclear torpedoes, not 551 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that they didn't get their hands on the nuclear missile 552 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: they were after. Basically, none of the prize that they 553 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: were looking for they got their hands on. But one 554 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: thing they did find on their hands all of a 555 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: sudden were the bodies of six Soviet submariners for submarners. 556 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: How do you say it? I think submarner okay, but 557 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: we'll get taken to task and told the way. Well, 558 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: we said both so can't get it wrong when you 559 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: say it both ways. So like we said, they could 560 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: hold a hundred bodies, so they could certainly hold six. 561 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: And then I guess ninety four other guys on board 562 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: worried I would guess, so uh, and they did. They 563 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: they had copies of Soviet burial manuals American burial manuals. 564 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: They had the ceremony. Did you watch the video of this? 565 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: I did, well, some of it they conduct They've filmed 566 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: it in color, and I love how is it you 567 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: who wrote this point? I love how you put it. 568 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: The bizarre and inexplicably futuristic video. Yeah, it looks weird. 569 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: It looks like it does look like a George Orwellian 570 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: like transmission from the future. But if the future was 571 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties and it was being written in 572 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, right, and the reason why I put 573 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: my finger on it. Finally, it's men wearing matching coveralls 574 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: in hard hats, disposing of bodies, and the video quality 575 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: is just weird, just perfectly weird. Yeah, just go check 576 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: it out. I guess, um C I a project Orian 577 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: Burial at Sea. I think would probably bring it up 578 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: on YouTube. And eventually this film was turned over two 579 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Boris yeltson Somebody Still Loves You Boris yelts By CI 580 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: director Robert Gates. At that time, Um, did we take 581 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: another break? Yeah, I think we're alright, alright, we're gonna 582 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: wrap up this whole message just a minute. So they 583 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: found it. Once they got part of it, should they 584 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: go again? That was the big question, right, Um, And 585 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot of discussion that the CIA, for 586 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: its part, was like, I don't know if there's anything 587 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: left to that subs the seventies now, right, we lucked 588 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: out that it was intact to begin with. After a 589 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: series of explosions. We're pretty sure that the stuff that 590 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: fell a mile back down to the sea floor probably 591 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: broke up. I'm suspicious of that, but that was the 592 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: CIA's position, regardless. Kissinger and Um. The rest of the 593 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: Nixon administration were like, how can we do this again? 594 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: The thing is right around the same time Nixon resigned, 595 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,479 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, everybody who had been high 596 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: flying and freewheeling and overthrowing governments and all that were 597 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: suddenly like, nothing, we're not doing anything. There's no operations 598 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: going on whatsoever. So the idea of UM a second 599 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: project being undertaken was pretty doubtful for a number of reasons. Yeah, 600 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: And one of the other big reasons was that this 601 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: whole cryptographic equipment and the codes probably weren't even relevant 602 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: by that point, and so they didn't think I mean, 603 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: they were basically like, there's so little upside to this 604 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: at this point, they Kissinger. I think he even finally relented, right, Yeah, 605 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: I think so. It is not the word it UM. 606 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: What I found was interesting was that, and later interview 607 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: by an admiral said, even if you found the code 608 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: books and you found the communications equipment and figured out 609 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: the UM arrangement of like the burst transmitters and circuits 610 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, all you'd be able to do 611 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: is break the codes for a twenty four hour period. 612 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: But that would have been the case no matter if 613 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: they've gotten the whole suburb at any point, so that 614 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: it was already years later when they first went down, right, 615 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: So I guess they you probably would would still be 616 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: a pretty big treasure trove intelligence wise, to just get 617 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: a one day snapshot of Soviet submarine operations, that'd probably 618 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: be worth it. But maybe it was more about those 619 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: warheads though. I think that was definitely part of it too. 620 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: But they they said, there's probably not a good chance 621 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: we're going to do this. The The other the other 622 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: problem was this, by this time, UH journalists named Seymour Hirsch, 623 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: who's written some of the most um the some of 624 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: the deepest expose s on the US government ever written, 625 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: wrote about the Myli massacre. Um he's he wrote, Um 626 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: he didn't write or he wrote a few stories on 627 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: the Frank Olsen case that Wormwood was based on. UM. 628 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Seymour Hurst was in that towards the end. Um he's written, 629 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: He's written a bunch of stuff. He had this story 630 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: down cold, He had everything for well over a year 631 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: before it finally broke, and the CIA director went to 632 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: Hurst and said, don't please don't say anything about this. 633 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: Please sit on the story. Please sit on the story, 634 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: and behind hersh's back or right from under him. The 635 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: story ended up breaking in the most bizarre, suspicious way 636 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: it possibly could have. Yeah. Well, and even before that, 637 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: a very famous term came about because of this. That 638 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: was a Rolling Stone writer named Harriet and Philippi, and 639 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: she flat out asked the CIA to reveal its existence. 640 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: And that's where the phrase we can neither confirm nor 641 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: deny its existence came into play, which is now known 642 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: as the Glomar response. You've ever heard that? That's where 643 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: it comes from, which is a great little cherry on top. 644 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: I think I think so too. Even though this isn't 645 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: the end, No it's not. It gets even weirder to 646 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: tell you the truth. So um, Harriet and Philippe was 647 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: asking about Project is Orian because there is a cryptic, weird, 648 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: little short news blurb in the Los Angeles Times that 649 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: was basically about some gossip and rumor that was circulating 650 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: at the l A p D and among cops in 651 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: l A. There was a rumor that the Hughes Corporation 652 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: and had cooperated and carried out a project to retrieve 653 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: a lost Soviet sub with the CIA. Weren't any other 654 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: details about that, they said, it was in the Atlantic Ocean. 655 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: There were a lot of problems with this story, but 656 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: for the first time ever it started to see the 657 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: light of day. And the whole reason that that was 658 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: in there, Chuck, was just the weirdest thing. That's that 659 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: I think the weirdest part of this story and the 660 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: most suspicious. Yeah, the fact that all this came together 661 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: in this way is pretty remarkable. So the Hues, some 662 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: corporation that we talked about, they were broken into. Their 663 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: HQ was broken into in Los Angeles. They got cash, 664 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: they got boxes of documents, including a memo describing this 665 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: secret project to the CIA, and no one knew for 666 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: sure whether or not they had this document or not. 667 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: The thieves yes, until a few months later there was 668 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: this uh, I guess sort of deep throughout intermediary person 669 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: that called up and said, hey, we have possession of 670 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these stolen papers. They didn't say we 671 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: have the CIA document about Project has Orium, but they 672 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: say we've got boxes full of stuff, we got binders 673 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: full of women, right, and we'll take a half million 674 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: bucks to return this to you, right. And So there's 675 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: a couple of points that that need to be mentioned. 676 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: This is the fourth or fifth breaking of a Hughes 677 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: office in like the last four or five months, and 678 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: what they think. They think the Vegas mob and the St. 679 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: Louis mob was involved, but they don't know who they 680 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: were working for. Were they working for the government, were 681 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: they working for Howard Hughes, um? Who are they working for? 682 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: But they were very clearly after some specific papers. They 683 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: think what they were after was definitive evidence that Howard 684 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: Hughes owned a number of high level politicians in the 685 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: United States and that they actually found it. There was 686 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: a Senate report that was repressed at the last minute. 687 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: So they do think that that they found evidence of 688 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: just high high corruption UM, but that they didn't know 689 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: that they had this UM, this CIA document in their 690 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: possession until the CIA accidentally tipped them off. Yeah, So 691 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: the CIA tells the FBI about this police report that 692 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: the the l A cops supposedly have UH and this 693 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: being offered up for sale and for money and it 694 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: might have this project is orient information. The FBI then 695 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: tells the l A Police about this because they didn't 696 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: know They didn't know about this memo. They just knew 697 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: that they had this boxville they were being offered to 698 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: exchange this box full of documents for a lot of cash. 699 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 1: They didn't know what was inside of it. Apparently people 700 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: I had it didn't know what was inside of it. 701 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: So the l A Police told this dude who tried 702 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: to broker the deal and the CIA. That's how the 703 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: CIA found out about it, right this, I think the 704 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: CIA was surveilling the l A p D. I probably 705 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: as a matter of course, and found out about the 706 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,439 Speaker 1: l A p D being contact did right like you said, 707 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: the CIA contexts the FBI. The FBI context the l 708 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: A p D, and the l A p D says 709 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: to the intermediary, Hey, do you happen to have a 710 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: document that shows the Hughes Corporation trying to receive retrieve 711 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: the Soviet sub for the A thumbed through the boxes 712 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: and let me know if you see the word Azorian 713 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: And the intermediary says um b r b yes, And 714 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: the next thing you know, the LA Times is starting 715 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: to report on it. Yeah. February seven, l A Times 716 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: article US reported after russ sub short for Russian. I 717 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: guess they just had a you wanted that big font. 718 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: They couldn't get it get Russian in there. So, according 719 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: to reports circulating among local law enforcement officers, Howard Hughes, 720 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: it contracted with the CIA to raise a sunken Russian 721 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: nuclear submarine from the Atlantic Ocean. Not true. Um, it 722 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: was a specific and again just a lot of holes 723 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: in this. However, it is now out there. So there's 724 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: a dude named Jack Anderson, I believe, who had a 725 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: nationally syndicated radio show, and he was the first to 726 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: really mention this thing, and he said he was going 727 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it and reveal some 728 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: more stuff about it. And by this time, once he 729 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: did that, all of the reporters who were sitting on 730 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,919 Speaker 1: stories about it, all bets were off, including Seymour Hirsh 731 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: And so mysteriously, the day after Jack Anderson mentions it, 732 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: there's front page in depth stories about Project is Orient, 733 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: which they incorrectly called Project Jennifer Um on newspapers around 734 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: the country, and that the cat was out of the bag. 735 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: As they say, I'm Jack Anderson and that's the last word. 736 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Sounds like that's kind of show, he 737 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: would add. Yeah, Yeah, he's got his fedora with scoop 738 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: like in in the bill. Yeah, I'm kind of curious 739 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: about why project or why Jennifer was the name of 740 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: the compartment. So this I okay, so it comes like 741 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: some sexist thing to me if you ask me, I 742 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: think it was just maybe like a hurricane, like they 743 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: just that was up for usage. But the compartment, it's 744 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of like all communications, all memos, all everything 745 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: that has to do with this project goes into this compartment. 746 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: And somebody thought the compartment named Jennifer was the name 747 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: of the project. So they mess up, but they got 748 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: just about everything else right. And so by the time 749 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: that this story comes out, the US is like, well, 750 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: it's the Soviets are about to unleash hell on Earth diplomatically, 751 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: maybe militarily. This is gonna be really bad. And the 752 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: US braced itself for a response and out of Moscow crickets. Yeah, 753 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: and for very good reasons, all of which kind of 754 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: tie back to embarrassment. Uh. Three things. Mainly, they would 755 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: have to admit that they lost a sub which would 756 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: be embarrassing. They would have to admit that they couldn't 757 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: find it and the U S could find it super embarrassing. 758 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: And then they had to admit that we we were 759 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: following them out there in the ocean and saw them 760 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: doing something. But we turned around and went home. We 761 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,959 Speaker 1: went beep beep, So you super triple embarrassment. So they said, 762 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: yet we're not doing it, and that I just I 763 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I've seen a bunch of stories lately 764 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 1: about the Cold War where like where we knew something 765 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: that the Soviets knew, but no one could admit it 766 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: out loud. So there was a lot of sitting back 767 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: and like, all right, are they going to say something? 768 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: Are they going to say something? All right, they're not 769 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: saying anything. So despite that, despite this, this this uh 770 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: assessment that the Soviets weren't going to publicly acknowledge this, 771 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: and the United States certainly didn't publicly acknowledge it either. 772 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: Um despite that, it was clear that the Soviets also 773 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: weren't going to be like, sure, go ahead, try to 774 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: get the rest of the sub. They were worried that 775 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: if they did go back out, the Soviets would maybe 776 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: sink whatever ship tried to go out there. The Soviets 777 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: had a military presence and naval presence around the site 778 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: the whole time from that moment on. Once the story 779 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: broke and they said, that's it. It's it's done. So 780 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: for all we know, they went back and managed to 781 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: sneak it out from under the Soviets. For all we know, 782 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: this never happened, and that all of this is actually 783 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: a cover story for that break in of the Hughes Corporation. 784 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: That's what I think. Or for all we know, this 785 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: is all gospel truth. I mean, maybe it's sitting next 786 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: to a spaceship in area deep within the earth in 787 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: a bunker very well could be chucked. Don't be so 788 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 1: naive in the end, and today's money, it costs about 789 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: three billion bucks. And here's the kind of fun ending 790 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: is that Glomar explorer. Remember the barge. Uh, it was 791 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: eventually retrofitted to be a regular deep sea drilling barge. 792 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: The whole the whole ship. Oh I thought just the 793 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: barge was. No, the whole ship was. So it was 794 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,959 Speaker 1: finally sold only eight years ago to a private company 795 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: for fifteen million bucks. Yeah, I think for scrap. Oh 796 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: the secrets they're in, I know, can you believe it? 797 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: But they actually finally did do deep sea mining and 798 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: then get this, Howard Hughes got a free deep sea 799 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: mining ship out of it because the government paid him 800 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: to build that guy. That guy, Well, if you want 801 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: to know more about projects orian Um, you should probably 802 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: go back in time and join the CIA. Uh. And 803 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: since I said that, it's time for listener mail. Oh 804 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: and shout out to the great I O nine article. Uh, 805 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: that time the CIA and Howard Hughes tried to steal 806 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,760 Speaker 1: a Soviet submarine by Mark Strauss. That was a great source. 807 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 1: So too with Seymour Hersh's New York Times article on 808 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: the whole thing where he mistakenly calls it Project Janitor Law. 809 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: And there are a bunch of other sources too. Then 810 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and shout out pinto madness again. Why not? 811 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: Because why not? All right, listener mail, Yeah, I'm gonna 812 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: call this uh really great thing that you should think 813 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: about throwing a few bucks to. Hey, guys, want to 814 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: preface this by saying I'm not looking for a shout out. 815 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: It's always good way to get a shout out. I 816 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: run a charity Tribua night every year in honor my 817 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: late wife that passed away from brain cancer a few 818 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: days after we got married in the hospital. Uh. The events, uh, 819 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: the event benefits grace giving a five oh, one C 820 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: three we started for brain cancer research donations, mainly for 821 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: our Tribue event. We created the event three years ago 822 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: and now in year three, we sold out our event 823 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: and roughly three minutes. It's awesome with a hundred and 824 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: seventy people in the waitlist. So I just want to 825 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: publicize this event. Um, that's me talking, Chuck. I should 826 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 1: do it in voices. That way people would know, do 827 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: this guy's voice like really high pitched. Now, I'm not 828 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: going to do that to Mike. Uh, Mike's a really 829 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: good guy. We've been emailing back and forth. So it 830 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: is April fourteenth this year in Chicago, and tickets can 831 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 1: you even get tickets to this thing? Well? I think 832 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: it's sold out, but I did say donate. Huh yeah, 833 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: I did say, can people at least donate because this 834 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: is such a great thing, and even if you've got 835 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: like five dollars, it's Uh. What this family has been 836 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: through and what they're doing now is pretty amazing. So 837 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: I want to say thanks for helping me out these 838 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: last few years. I love the podcast, really enjoyed the 839 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: PR Live show that you put out. By the way, 840 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 1: and by the way, my roommate roommate is Emmett Cleary, 841 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 1: the football player who wrote in about c t Oh wow, 842 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: remember that man alive? So wait, these two roommates have 843 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: both made Stuff you Should Know listener mails. Yeah, that's 844 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: really something about that's some sort of trifecta. So if 845 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: you have it in your heart to throw a few 846 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: bucks toward Grace Giving, uh, we couldn't encourage you to do, 847 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: so you can go to Facebook dot com slash Grace 848 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: Giving four or just go, you know, google that stuff 849 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: on the internet. And that's from Grace and Mike. Thanks 850 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot, guys. Is very fits. I think what you're 851 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: doing a fantastic Yeah, keep it going there in Chicago. 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