1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: This is the new Big Day BAQ podcast, available every 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: morning on Apple, Spotify or whatever you listen. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: the third of April here in London. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: I'm Caroline Hepka. 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Trump Tariff's everyone. 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: The US imposes steep levees on all imports, ranging from 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: ten to fifty percent. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: Countries around the world prepare their responses to US levees 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: that are upending a global trading system. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Plus fear grips Market says tariffs raise risks to global 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: growth in a worst case scenario for Wall Street, Let's. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: Start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump has imposed these steepest US tariffs on 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: trading partners in more than one hundred years. The minimum 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: levee will be ten percent, with the UK, Brazil, Turkey 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: and many others in that group. The EU is being 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: hit with a twenty percent levee, while faces twenty four percent. Meanwhile, 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: China is facing a tariff rate of thirty four percent 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: on top of current charges. Bloomberg Economics says this means 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Chinese goods heading to the US will now face an 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: average tariff rate of sixty seven percent. President Trump underlined 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: the scale of the changes as he announced the plan. 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 4: This is one of the most important days, in my opinion, 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: in American history. It's our declaration of economic independence. For years, 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: hard working American citizens were forced to sit on the 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: sidelines as other nations got rich and powerful, much of 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: it at our expense. 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: President Trump has embraced tariffs as a tool to assert 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: US power, revive American manufacturing, and exact geopolitical concessions from 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: trading partners. The measures announced on Wednesday are based on 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: the administration's assessment of all kinds of barriers and levees 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: that other countries impose on American goods. The ten percent 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: baseline tariff comes into force from Saturday, while the higher 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: duties will kick in from next Wednesday. 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: Trump and his trade advisors argue that tariffs will encourage 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: companies to shift manufacturing operations to the US, rebuild the 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: country's industrial base, and create jobs. Using Federal Reserve calculations, 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: these measures are expected to shave two point three percent 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: off American GDP. Bloomberg Economics calculates that the effective tax 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: rate that the US now charges on trillions of dollars 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: of imported goods may climb to around twenty three percent, 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: higher than at any point in more than a century. 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: Diane Swank, TIV Economists that KPMG says the announcement is 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 2: basically the worst case scenario for Americans. 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 5: These tariffs are across the board. 47 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 6: They're going to touch everything from going to the grocery store, 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 6: to going out to restaurants, to even having to go 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 6: to places like the movie theater and trying to have 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 6: a little time art because everywhere you go there's some 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 6: aspect that they have to import to do that. 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: Diane Swank says that the tariffs now raised the likelihood 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: of an economic slow down in the US. Following the announcement, 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: investors added to beds for at least three FED rate 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: cuts this year. But for FED officials still working to 56 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: rein in the price gains that spiked during the pandemic, 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: the inflationary fallout from the President's actions may limit their 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: ability to step in and bolster the economy with cuts. 59 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Blueberg Economics says the impact of the accumulated US tariffs 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: on China would be enough to wipe out most US 61 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: China trade by the end of this decade. China's Commerce 62 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Ministry condemned the US levies, but did not specify what 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: measures it might use against them. Goldbn Sachs, China Portfolio 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: straschis CIFU says the scale of the move is more 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: than what many investors had priced in. 66 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 7: Definitely today's new city. I would say it would be 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 7: a surprise to most of the investors. It's out of expectation, 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 7: definitely in and near Charma. It caused more volatility, especially 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 7: in terms of mental evaluation. Impact is unavoidable, especially when 70 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 7: US market a global markets are all correcting. Then definitely 71 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 7: for China, we are expecting more volatility. 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 5: Goldman Seafood, speaking there. 73 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Bloomberg Reporter that China had taken steps 74 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: to restrict local companies investing in the United States, in 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: a move that could give Beijing more leverage for potential 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: trade negotiations with the Trump administration. US president has yet 77 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: to speak with this Chinese counterpart, more than two months 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: after his inauguration. 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: The European Union says that it is ready to retaliate 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: against the twenty percent tariffs on the bloc. EU trade 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: ministers are due to meet on Monday to discuss a 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: response that could further strain the world's largest bilateral trading relationship. 83 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: European Commission President of Slavondelion warned that US actions would 84 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 2: deal a blow to the global economy, and she urged 85 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: further trade negotiations. 86 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 8: We have always been ready to negotiate with the United 87 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 8: States remove the remaining barriers to transatlantic trade. At the 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 8: same time, we are prepared to respond. We are already 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 8: finalizing the first package of countermeasures in response to tariffs 90 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 8: on steel, and we're now preparing for further countermeasures to 91 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 8: protect our interests and our businesses if negotiations fail. 92 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: Osla Vonderline, speaking earlier in Europe, the American measures threatened 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: to wipe out much of the euro Area's expansion that 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: the European Central Bank forecast for this year and for 95 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: next year. The impact on inflation is less clear cut, 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: which has kept easy be official so committing to any 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: outcome at their next policy meeting on the seventeenth of April. 98 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: The UK government says it will continue to push for 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: a trade deal with the US as it faces tariffs 100 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: of ten percent less than its European neighbors. 101 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 5: The business and Trade Secertary. 102 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Reynolds said the government would remain calm, while acknowledging 103 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: the UK would still suffer from the tariffs on vehicle 104 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: and autoparts, steel and aluminium. UK's approach has been backed 105 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: by business. The manufacturing lobby Make UK said in a 106 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: statement that this isn't the time for a trade war. 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: W Chavon Havlin, the Director General of the British Chambers 108 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of Commerce, commended the government's cool head but underlines the 109 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: havoc the US decision will wreak on businesses around the world. 110 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's historic action risks inducing a worldwide trade war 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: marked by tit for tat strikes that destabilize supply chains 112 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: and hurt US exporters. Speaking after the president's announcement, his 113 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Scott bessent urged other countries not to fight back. 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 9: I would advise none of the countries to panic. I 115 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 9: wouldn't try to retaliate because as long as you don't retaliate, 116 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 9: this is the high end of the number, and I 117 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 9: think the market could have certainty that this is the 118 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 9: number barring retaliation. 119 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: Scott Bessen went on to leave the door open for negotiations, 120 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: telling Bloomberg we'll see with regards to further talks. Countries 121 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: have already reached out to Washington to engage in discussions, 122 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: but the Treasury chief indicated the administration would let things 123 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: settle first. 124 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Global financial markets are being hit by a sweeping sell 125 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: off after President Trump's bid to remake the world trading 126 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: order proved more aggressive than expected. US and European equity 127 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: index features are falling along with the dollar, while Asian 128 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: shares have tumbled, with an index in Japan sinking to 129 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: the lowest level in eight months. Tenure treasury yields have 130 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: slum to the lowest level in more than five months, 131 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: with the flight to haven's including strengthening the Japanese yen 132 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: and gold, which touched another record high. Kyle Rada is 133 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: senior market analyst at Capital dot Com. 134 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 10: The absolute level of tariffs is higher than expected. The 135 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 10: markets are going to have to price in this growth 136 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 10: shock now, and there's still high degrees of ambiguity about 137 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 10: what the sort of long term objective here is for 138 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 10: the Trump administration. I mean, is this supposed to be 139 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 10: a radical restructuring and shaking up of the global trade 140 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 10: order in the global economy. You know, we've seen some 141 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 10: indications that maybe they're willing to negotiate with trading parts 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 10: and as on certain tariffs that lives in riggal room. 143 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 10: On top of that, though, it sort of opens questions about, 144 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 10: you know, the reciprocal tariffs in the United States and 145 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 10: whether tariffs can actually be raised from here, as you know, 146 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 10: the sort of tip for tech dynamic plays out Kyle. 147 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Rader speaking there as traders across asset classes are bracing 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: for what premises to be a grueling stretch of trade 149 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: negotiations as companies and consumers adjust to Trump's tariff offensive. 150 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: Those are our top stories this morning. On the markets, 151 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: the SCI Asia Pacific Index has slumped as much as 152 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: one point seven percent, currently down one and a half percent, 153 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: the lowest level since February USTOX fifty futures are down 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: one point eight percent, the S and P five hundred 155 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: emni futures down two point seven percent, the NASDAK even 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: more three point two percent. Individual names moving after markets 157 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: Apple something seven percent and Vidia down more than five percent. 158 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: The ten year US treasury yield this morning, currently trading 159 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: at four sports zero five, a decline of seven and 160 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: a half basis points for that benchmark yield to those 161 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: of the markets. 162 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: We have everything you need to know about the US 163 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: tariff announcement today, what Donald Trump has said he will do, 164 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: how other countries are responding, and what markets are doing. 165 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: It is a day of superlatives if you want an 166 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: example of how countries around the world are scrambling to 167 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: the Arcel Vanderlion stood up at five fifteen am and 168 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: Brussels and gave her statement two reporters in three languages, 169 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: as she does on occasions like this as well, saying, 170 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: of course, the US preparing countermeasures, but also had harsh 171 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: words for the announcements from Donald Trump, talking about there 172 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: seems to be no order in this disorder, no clear 173 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: path through the complexity and chaos that's been created. 174 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chinese have called it unilateral bullying and Bloomberg 175 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: opinion columnists Leonelle Laurent writing about this from the perspective 176 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: of boardrooms, that they can't wish away a hostile and 177 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: unpredictable environment that mixes mercantilism and maga, that European executives 178 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: now sort of questioning whether or not they can work 179 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: with US firms given the current climate, so lots to 180 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: think about today. 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Indeed, and John Arthur's also in Bloomberg Opinion, chose to 182 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: quote John McEnroe, the tennis player, as you cannot be 183 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: serious with these announcements as well. Full coverage across Bloomberg platforms, 184 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: of course, and on our website you'll find our tariff tracker, 185 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: where you can navigate every Trump tariff and its economic effect. 186 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: Now, President charms sweeping tariffs have shaken markets, threatening to 187 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: upend the world economy, reignite inflation and stall growth in 188 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: the United States. Joining us now to discuss this is 189 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's trades are Brendan Murray. Good morning, Brendan. The tariff 190 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: announcement seems to be worse than the worst case scenario. 191 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: Can you just talk us through the announcement and what 192 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: you make of it? 193 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 11: Yeah, it was quite a spectacle in the Rose Garden yesterday. 194 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 11: President Trump spent at least forty five minutes or an 195 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 11: hour speaking, some scripted, some nuts ed. There was a 196 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 11: bit of a maga rally, sort of a vibe about 197 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 11: the whole thing. 198 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 9: There was. 199 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 11: There was a group of twenty or so US automakers 200 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 11: who were there, and almost his full Cabinet was there, 201 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 11: Vice President Vance was there, and as he spoke, the 202 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 11: world came to grips with the fact that this wasn't 203 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 11: just going to be a flat rate on a you know, 204 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 11: across the board. It was going to be many different 205 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 11: tariff rate numbers depending on which country we're talking about. 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 11: Chinese imports into the US face of fifty four percent tariff, 207 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 11: whereas two months ago, you know, that number was zero. 208 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 11: So we have gone from you know, kind of zero 209 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 11: to sixty kilometers an hour in terms of the effect 210 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 11: on the global economy. So, yeah, it was it was 211 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 11: interesting to watch the market reaction as Trump spoke, all 212 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 11: the market new was the ten percent baseline rate, and 213 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 11: then eventually, once it absorbed all the other numbers, the 214 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 11: much higher numbers, you know, stocks turned down, so, you know, 215 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 11: the sentiment really kind of whipsawed there. In the aftermath 216 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 11: of it, we heard from. 217 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: The US Treasury Secretary Scott Bass and he spoke to 218 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg shortly after the announcement, warning against retaliation. But already 219 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: we're seeing other countries ramping up their response to this 220 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: as well. Talk us through some of the responses. 221 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 11: We've heard one of the few areas to avoid a 222 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 11: big hit was Canada and Mexico. Canada, they already have 223 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 11: there under another sort of terriff regime, so they did 224 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 11: not get hit with these reciprocal tariffs, and so that 225 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 11: you would think that there would be room for negotiation there, 226 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 11: and Doug Ford, a Canadian politician, said he would urge 227 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 11: the Prime minister not not to retaliate, so maybe there's 228 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 11: some room for negotiation there. We heard a similar kind 229 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 11: of tone from Japan who said this was regrettable, but 230 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 11: we look forward to sitting down with the Trump administration 231 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 11: and working through this. The European Union, as you mentioned, 232 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 11: was out very early this morning saying we have a 233 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 11: big response if talks fail. So they are leaving the 234 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 11: door open. You know that never has there been a 235 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 11: better telegra trade beginning of a trade war than April second, 236 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. So the EU could have come back 237 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 11: immediately with a package of retaliation. But they came in 238 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 11: this morning and they said, will we'll give talks a chance. 239 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 11: So those are the three between Asia, North America and Europe. 240 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 11: There seems to be a tone of Okay, let's sit down. 241 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 11: This is the worst case scenario. But let's try to 242 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 11: talk through it. 243 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting fresh lines from Japan from Ishaba saying 244 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: that Japan has take to talk directly with Trump. If 245 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: necessarily deeply concerned over the consistency of US tariffs with 246 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: the wto the World Trade Organization, will strongly urge the 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: US to review tariff measures. President Trump is following through though, 248 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: as you say, long telegraphed long promise campaign to reshape 249 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: global trade. So a question domestically in the US will 250 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: it help the US in the long run. 251 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 11: What matters in politics is not the long run, in 252 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 11: the short runs. So when you look at the countries 253 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 11: that got hit, you're talking about the hardest. You're talking 254 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 11: about Vietnam, Malaysia, places where Apple, an iconic American company, 255 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 11: has shifted its production. So everyone who wants to buy 256 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 11: an Apple iPhone going forward is going to pay whatever 257 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 11: that tariff rate now is on Vietnam. It's and that 258 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 11: high forty percent, I think it's very high. So during 259 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 11: the first trade war, a lot of companies, a lot 260 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 11: of Chinese companies moved to these places in South Asia 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 11: to avoid the tariffs, and now the second Trump administration 262 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 11: is catching up with them and so and try to 263 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 11: sort of block that end run around tariffs that they 264 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 11: were trying to do. So you got to wonder what 265 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 11: the effect is going to be in the short term 266 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 11: on the economy. And as we heard some previous guests say, 267 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 11: this doesn't clear up the uncertainty cloud that's been hanging 268 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 11: over markets and companies for the past couple of months. 269 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 11: In some cases, it makes it even worse. 270 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 5: Our trades are Brandon Murray, thank you very much. 271 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: Well, that is have sparked a sweeping sell off across 272 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: global financial markets. Trade as an hour preparing for negotiations 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: against an economic backdop that has already shown signs of softening. 274 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: Joining us now, as Bloomberg opinion columnist Daniel Moss, Daniel, 275 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: welcome to the program. You've reported on many major market 276 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: moments for Bloomberg. Of course, how significant is what we're 277 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: seeing today in markets? 278 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's very significant. As Brendan just said, there's a 279 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: big performative aspect to this. I think President Trump at 280 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: one point said this was possibly the most important day 281 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: in modern American history. Well, okay, it's got a few 282 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: rivals there. Look, I think the temptation on days like 283 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: this particularly when, as Brendan said, there's been such a 284 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: big countdown as to do the be four times after times. 285 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: You know, this is the fundamental break, But I think 286 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: we have to see where some of the pieces settle here. 287 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: It's still early days, believe it or not. We're less 288 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: than three months into this administration. So on January nineteen, 289 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: the economy that Trump inherited the next day from Joe Biden. 290 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: By January nineteen, the US economy was doing very very well, 291 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: certainly far better than expected. This didn't attract much attention 292 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: at the time, but on the last working day before 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: Trump's inauguration, IMF released some updated numbers to its world 294 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: economic outlook. The big story there was not so much 295 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: the numbers. According to the Fund's chief economists. The big 296 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: story was the way the US had broken away from 297 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: the rest of the pack. Its performance was head and 298 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: shoulders above its peers. So in a way, the US 299 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: is kind of counting on. Well, you want access to 300 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: the market here, You want access to the world's largest economy. 301 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: People are no longer ooing and aer ring about you 302 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: know how rapidly China's growing. You want access to the US, 303 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: You've got to pay you know, late last month, there 304 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 3: was a very interesting interview that our Bloomberg News colleague 305 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: Salaiyah Mosen did with Steve Miron, chair of the White 306 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: House Council of Economic Advisors. He said this quote, countries 307 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: that sell to the United States are inflexible. They've only 308 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: got the United States to sell to. In other words, 309 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: you want to come here, well, okay, now you have 310 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: to pay out. And you know there is an element 311 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: of bullying about this, you know, Scott Besson was saying, well, 312 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: we strongly advise people not to reciprocate. If you don't reciprocate, 313 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: you know, this is near the top end of the 314 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: tariff regime being be good little boys, be good little girls, 315 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: go away, take your medicine, sit in the corner and 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 3: be quiet, and all will be well. But like, how 317 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: can you take that as any kind of a guarantee? 318 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Well, challenges does this present for the Federal Reserve, who 319 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: have to react to the announcements out they've come, and 320 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: indeed for central bankers around the world. 321 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: So in terms of the Fed, look, I mean, I'll 322 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: clear my throat with this by saying that you know 323 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: this what was announced Wednesday is not necessarily where things settle. 324 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: I think there's a big performative component of this. Whatever 325 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 3: the tariff regime looks like, will it be higher than 326 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 3: what it was last week? 327 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: Sure? Will it be higher than what it was on January. 328 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: Nineteen, Yes, absolutely, doesn't mean it's as high as this. 329 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if these numbers stay and there's no scope 330 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: for negotiation, no scope for deals, which I don't really believe, 331 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 3: but if they do, then this is a very significant hit. 332 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: Not just in terms of easy to define metrics like GDP. 333 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: There is inflation that markdown growth forecasts x basis points. 334 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a drawing up of I was 335 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 3: going to say, the drawing up of the drawbridge. I'm 336 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: mixing my metaphors. I'm really reluctant to say this is 337 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: a declaration of economic warfare on the rest of the world. 338 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: That feels like it's going too far. But there's some 339 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 3: kind of break here. Is it retrievable? We'll see how 340 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: much is performative. We'll see. So, having cleared my throat 341 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: with all that, it is generally seen as closing the 342 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: door to interest rate cuts by the Federal Reserve and 343 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: the near term. I'm not sure I agree with that. 344 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 5: Entirely. 345 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: It depends what else is going on. The economy has 346 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: been softening. Data for the last couple of weeks has 347 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: not been great. Things aren't falling apart, but there's a softening. 348 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: People have raised their projections for the likelihood of a recession. 349 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: Let's not forget the Fed has a dual mandate. It 350 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: also has to promote maximum sustainable employment. Labor markets already softened. 351 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: If there is a material weakening from here in the 352 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: labor market, they're not necessarily going to worry about whether 353 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: the PCE is at two point seven or two point six. 354 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: Remember it's an average of two percent over time. 355 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the kind of maybe some of the 356 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: thinking for the Federal Reserve. I mean, I'm glad you 357 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: talked about the question, which is it. I think in 358 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: the back of people's minds, is it economic warfare or not. 359 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: I mean, on your point though about US exceptionalism again, 360 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: are people being too quick to write off US exceptionalism. 361 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: Well, if you go back to Steve Merrin's quote from 362 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: late March, he's saying the US economy is exceptional, so 363 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: therefore pay up if you want to come here. That's 364 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: not how most people would define it. American exceptionalism has 365 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: come to mean many things over the years, over the weeks, heck, 366 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: over the centuries. There are still some things about the 367 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: US that are unique. It is an engine, or has 368 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: been certainly an engine for innovation. It has the world's 369 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: reserve currency, bar none. That was the point I was 370 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: making in a column that attracted your attention from last week. 371 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens here as a result of this. 372 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: But dollar exceptionalism as manifested in terms of the US 373 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: currency and its ability to give you things that other 374 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: currencies don't have, and it's resilient. 375 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 5: To shocks, It's going to take a bit more than this. 376 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 377 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 378 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 379 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 380 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 381 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 382 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 383 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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