Speaker 1: This is Jeb Terry. This is Jebby and this is
Speaker 1: the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Peanut too Mean and this is the NFL Players
Speaker 2: Second Acts Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Peanut. Who we got today? We got a going guys.
Speaker 2: He was in the two thousd and for.
Speaker 3: Draft, drafted by Tampa Bay, played three seasons. He's killing
Speaker 3: it in the business for it. He's a tech guru.
Speaker 3: That's why he's the ero CEO of COSM. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: please welcome to the show podcast. Jeb Terry.
Speaker 1: Hey, I got to be here.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 3: You know what I like about Jeb is that the
Speaker 3: moment he sat down, he said, Okay, who do I
Speaker 3: gotta beat?
Speaker 2: All right, just get it. Petition is the one who
Speaker 2: we beating. Who I gotta be Who's at the top
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 1: That's that's what we're running for, right.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: You gotta find competition.
Speaker 2: Man, Hey, I like it. I like it. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Where are you from? I'm here some some that that accident?
Speaker 3: What what what is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, grew up in Dallas, Texas, and so
Speaker 2: my god, you know part of Dallas? What part of Dallas?
Speaker 1: Just North Dallas in area up there, proper group in Lakewood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a Carpers Cove Waco Temple there is. I'm a
Speaker 1: Central Texas, Yeah, Passes. That place has changed.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a lot booming right, Yeah, Yeah that's me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a Texas has the best football room. They go
Speaker 2: sign that for sure. We're killing Alabama high school football.
Speaker 1: No chance, Florida, get out of here. In California, get
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing Calabama y'all doing right now is like
Speaker 3: fighting on riverboats.
Speaker 2: That's all y'all got right now. That's all y'all doing.
Speaker 1: We didn't realize this was what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm here for We.
Speaker 2: Will accept that. We will openly accept that. Now.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this, as far as high school
Speaker 3: football is concerned in Texas, and I listened to all
Speaker 3: the scouts from ESPN and the people I work with
Speaker 3: on my SEC nation and network, they say, you know what,
Speaker 3: Texas football players are great. They're really really good. But
Speaker 3: they're usually the same player that you get in high school.
Speaker 3: They're going to kind of be that they're kind of
Speaker 3: maxed out because they've been getting coached up doing the
Speaker 3: same thing since like sixth grade. Versus Florida, some other
Speaker 3: athletes from other places, they probably have a bigger runway
Speaker 3: and maybe a higher ceiling purely because like they're a
Speaker 3: little bit or raw, you know, versus Texas. You guys
Speaker 3: do such a great job of coaching them since fifth grade. Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm coming from Carolina, where the ceiling is the roof. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if Jordan out there, but
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you what, man, there's there's no ceiling
Speaker 3: for Texas football right now. We're growing up there. The
Speaker 3: competition is real from day one, Yes it is. And
Speaker 3: you're playing quick. Yeah, you're playing it like Pop Warner,
Speaker 3: Like you guys are tackling early, like they're out there
Speaker 3: early six years old.
Speaker 1: This is what's going I didn't play that early, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to, that's.
Speaker 2: For sure, I know I did. I idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's just get we'll talk about football. Well,
Speaker 3: let's get the first one out the way.
Speaker 2: We love to know. What was your first welcome to
Speaker 2: the NFL moment?
Speaker 1: Got it? So?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: The Bucks drafted me right coming off that that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl team and O two and I come in and
Speaker 1: there's guys like Derek Brooks, you know, Mike Alstott, you know,
Speaker 1: guys you look up to. And mine was just in practice, right,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I find myself blocking Derek and
Speaker 1: all start cuts behind me, and You're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh wow, this is this is the real deal.
Speaker 1: The guys I've been watching, all these guys have been
Speaker 1: watching for forever, man, you know, And that was one
Speaker 1: of the things. It's just like dis an appreciation for
Speaker 1: the skill and the talent that these guys had because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was going into a team that
Speaker 1: was rebuilding. The team wasn't up and coming. This team
Speaker 1: was established and that defense at the time was league's best.
Speaker 1: And we had some guys that you followed for a
Speaker 1: long time, and that was always something that was incredible
Speaker 1: to me. You don't play in that room. What were
Speaker 1: those practices? Like hot they still don't have an indoor man, Tampa,
Speaker 1: Now they do. Now Tampa's got one?
Speaker 2: Do they finally have?
Speaker 1: And I was at Old One Buck when we were there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you fly in and the airplanes
Speaker 1: came right over the top of that practice facility. Man,
Speaker 1: it was. And I had come from Carolina where he
Speaker 1: had just redone the whole Keenan Football Center and the
Speaker 1: whole deal. So we had these great facilities at Carolina
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, going to the.
Speaker 2: NFL, it's better. No.
Speaker 1: Old One Buck was not that, But man, a lot
Speaker 1: the practices were intense because the guys were all pros.
Speaker 1: Everyone on that team was a pro. Same and Rice,
Speaker 1: Ron Day, Booger, McFarlane, all stot, I mean, just.
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
Speaker 1: We had Ron Day and then you had you know,
Speaker 1: Gruden was the coach, and he had you know, guys
Speaker 1: like Ron Middleton, tight ends coach Morris, you know those
Speaker 1: coach that coaching tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, you're like these guys that coaching trees. Wow.
Speaker 1: You looking around the NFL right now and these guys
Speaker 1: are all still doing it at a big.
Speaker 2: Scale, really big scale.
Speaker 1: And that that that team, the coaching staff, everybody came
Speaker 1: to the came to the room and works and it's uh,
Speaker 1: it was awesome to be part of that organization.
Speaker 3: Now, your career ended a little short. Low, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: isn't a little short, but and I know you probably
Speaker 3: still wanted to play.
Speaker 2: Like what was your what was your best memory was
Speaker 2: of your I.
Speaker 1: Will say on an intro we said three years, I
Speaker 1: got five. I got five all the way I.
Speaker 3: Apologize, Yeah yeah, I apologie.
Speaker 2: However you get there? Does that?
Speaker 1: I know I had one which I had gotten heard
Speaker 1: and did the whole injury settlement thing that when I
Speaker 1: was coming back. So you know, look, my career was
Speaker 1: one where I got close to being really really good
Speaker 1: and then some things got in the way, and you know,
Speaker 1: things happened in the NFL. I got heard I wasn't
Speaker 1: playing great, and it was pretty obvious to me where
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing up to the standard that I knew
Speaker 1: I could play. And so I'd gone to the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers in my last season and I tore a
Speaker 1: planer fascia and again just wasn't playing good football. And
Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious when they cut me. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things where they go a Jeb, need you.
Speaker 2: To talk to you.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, yeah, I get it right. It's that's
Speaker 1: actually one of the things I missed about playing football
Speaker 1: is the transparent nature of feedback, Like you know, when.
Speaker 3: You are not plus plus league.
Speaker 1: Ye, it's clear, and it was. It was pretty clear
Speaker 1: to me, and I tried to hang on for a
Speaker 1: little bit, had a few workouts that last season. Fortunately
Speaker 1: i'd taken the g maat right the NBA test and
Speaker 1: and wasn't a good enough position to apply to a
Speaker 1: few schools, And it was kind of had to make
Speaker 1: it decision where where I knew I wasn't playing the
Speaker 1: level I wanted to play at and and I didn't
Speaker 1: know if I could get back there. You know, when
Speaker 1: you were playing really good and the game's moving slow
Speaker 1: and you feel good, and so kind of made that
Speaker 1: decision and year five that it was I had to
Speaker 1: move on and go chase that second act and and
Speaker 1: you know, we went back to Hill to make the
Speaker 1: act better than the first.
Speaker 2: Went back to Hill, did I did?
Speaker 1: I went back to Chapel. I looked a lot of places,
Speaker 1: and I had my oldest daughter at the time. It
Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight, market crashed, I got cut
Speaker 1: and my first kid was born, and it's like whoa
Speaker 1: the trip It was real fast, right, you know, And
Speaker 1: so I was like, all right, get back to get
Speaker 1: back to business school, regroup, refresh, figure out that next step.
Speaker 3: And so you're the CEO of your company, cause them
Speaker 3: and I want you to be able to share with
Speaker 3: everybody else. And it's spilled coe s M, s M,
Speaker 3: and now be able what does it bring to the
Speaker 3: fans and tell kind of explained what it is. I
Speaker 3: tried to read up on it and it looks really
Speaker 3: really cool in the web technical and I was just like,
Speaker 3: we're not going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even try it.
Speaker 1: Okay, good. It's one of those things where you go
Speaker 1: to like an event or cocktail party and someone asked,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, you know, you don't even
Speaker 1: want to tell them. Sometime that's gonna take a while.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, This makes me feel a lot better. Now.
Speaker 1: Look what we're what we're setting out to do is
Speaker 1: the most incredible fan viewing experience I think to ever
Speaker 1: hit the industry. You know, I was fortunate I had
Speaker 1: a few seats along the way as a you know,
Speaker 1: mobile video platform, a company I started got bought by
Speaker 1: Fox Sports when worked at Fox for a long time,
Speaker 1: where I met a bunch of the guys in and
Speaker 1: around this office as well and learned a lot from them,
Speaker 1: and then moved on, Oh, you're.
Speaker 3: Definitely hamming it up with all the guys earlier. This
Speaker 3: is where you know all of them from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some stuffing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's like combining
Speaker 1: all the stuff that I was able to learn when
Speaker 1: I was at those seats and then leaning into some
Speaker 1: super kind of advanced technology that's happening. That's you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't going to be seeing for
Speaker 1: a number of years, but it's combining that to super
Speaker 1: serve the fan and give them that all access seat
Speaker 1: that you never had.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So everyone has heard about virtual reality and how you
Speaker 1: put on a headset and it's like you're actually at
Speaker 1: the game, right, And you can do that and it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, but you miss the energy, the vibe, the
Speaker 1: whole scene and the environment. And that's what we're about.
Speaker 1: A cosm, is why I leverage all that technology to
Speaker 1: power those experiences, but I bring it at a scale
Speaker 1: to where you are in that environment with hundreds and
Speaker 1: hundreds of fans and you can high five and you
Speaker 1: can cheer, and it's the same environment like you're actually
Speaker 1: at the game itself. And we do it in a
Speaker 1: live format at super high resolution, and we can literally
Speaker 1: transport fans to that best seat, whether it's court side,
Speaker 1: pitch side, fifty yard line, you name it. I can
Speaker 1: take them there. And it is as an undescribable thing.
Speaker 1: And we have to be patient with that, right, And
Speaker 1: we talk about patients a lot, and we have to
Speaker 1: be willing to be misunderstood until we launch, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of part of it and being resolute in that mission.
Speaker 1: And we're opening up our first venue here I don't know,
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away just from here. It's a sixty
Speaker 1: five thousand square foot facility and it is going to
Speaker 1: blow your mind. It is one of the most incredible
Speaker 1: technological advancements I think I've seen in my career and
Speaker 1: the team around it developing this bringing us to life
Speaker 1: is the most amazing experience that I think has hit
Speaker 1: the industry in a long time now.
Speaker 3: The pandemic hit a lot of people hard a few
Speaker 3: years back, and a lot of companies went Bailey up
Speaker 3: and whatnot. How hard was it for COSM to get
Speaker 3: started during the pandemic, and it was It was interesting.
Speaker 3: It was We saw a trend in the industry prior
Speaker 3: to it, the watch party phenomenon. Everyone wants to go
Speaker 3: and hang out and the game together really prevalent with
Speaker 3: World Cups, you know, and you got to see the
Speaker 3: soccer fans and then the Premier league fans and that
Speaker 3: started to expand, and you get the Deer District right
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee, and you got Jurassic Park with the Raptor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a thing that was happening. And I think
Speaker 3: the pandemic kind of shined the light on the fact
Speaker 3: that we as humans we want connectivity, we want the
Speaker 3: energy of the crowd. Us being here is way better
Speaker 3: than like a zoom podcast. Zoom right is tough. Well
Speaker 3: a sudden we did this. It's like, yeah, this is it,
Speaker 3: this is like, this what we need.
Speaker 1: This is what we wanted to do. We want we
Speaker 1: want the juice energy, right, and so you think about
Speaker 1: that human connectivity and that's what our business is all about.
Speaker 1: And so we were able to buy companies up. And
Speaker 1: one of the companies we bought was a big was
Speaker 1: a public company. We took a private That was on
Speaker 1: April sixth, twenty twenty, so week three of the pandemic, right,
Speaker 1: that was when it was gnarly. But then the pandemic
Speaker 1: created opportunities to be capital efficient with our acquisition strategy.
Speaker 1: We bought a few more companies, we rolled them up.
Speaker 1: Now it created you know, really difficulties in managing and
Speaker 1: distributed workforce around the world via zoom. Now, I'm an
Speaker 1: in person guy by nature, and it's hard to express that.
Speaker 1: But we were able to fight through it, and you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it hardened us.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: If you look through the history of some of the
Speaker 1: great companies that were founded, they got they got founded
Speaker 1: in downturns or in crises, things like that. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's a mix of being opportunistic, finding the right opportunities
Speaker 1: and people changed their frame of reference and looked for
Speaker 1: different things, right, whether that's building a team. People had
Speaker 1: to doferent perspectives like, man, I want to do something fun, right,
Speaker 1: I want to do something that excites me, something that's
Speaker 1: like next cutting edge. And you're able to offer those
Speaker 1: opportunities and I actually think it would ended up it's
Speaker 1: going to end up being part of our big narrative
Speaker 1: of of how our company was built.
Speaker 3: Now you're also you guys are looking to expand in
Speaker 3: in Dallas. You're going to build their doubt we're at
Speaker 3: in Dallas and are you are you going to try
Speaker 3: and base it around like the arena almost like what
Speaker 3: you're talking about with the buck zone or the what
Speaker 3: the raptors have outside there, because you know we look
Speaker 3: at it and you talked great example is the World
Speaker 3: Cup when those when you see Argentina win, it.
Speaker 2: All like going grace, It's like right there, that was
Speaker 2: like to bring that.
Speaker 3: To the fans no matter where it will be, I
Speaker 3: think it will be a unique, unique experience.
Speaker 2: And that's the moment.
Speaker 3: And people don't understand, like sports gives us this emotion
Speaker 3: that you can't get everywhere else. Then last second shot
Speaker 3: that last second field goal, that games and whatever. It's
Speaker 3: this emotion that you don't get doing anything else.
Speaker 1: You don't get it. And it's the ability to high
Speaker 1: five and be around fans that are sharing in that joy,
Speaker 1: you know, in high five and someone you've never met
Speaker 1: or never know, test bumping, you know, fist bump, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's that energy, and so we want to
Speaker 1: deploy that at a massive scale. So we've announced our
Speaker 1: one here. We've announced our one in North Texas. So
Speaker 1: there's are called Frisco, which I.
Speaker 2: Said that, I said, I bet it's in Frisco.
Speaker 1: So where we are I would say we are in
Speaker 1: the colony, which is Frisco adjacent if you want to
Speaker 1: say anything. But it's all in North Texas here at
Speaker 1: a entertainment district called Grandscape, so it's a mixed use
Speaker 1: entertainment district. But that strategy is further away from the
Speaker 1: venues in Arlington, from the stadiums, and so here we
Speaker 1: are stadium adjacent right in the mix, always shoulder programming,
Speaker 1: organic when the team's on the road, come watch it.
Speaker 1: Causem that type of energy with a lot of traffic
Speaker 1: and demand and the pre the post entire programming slate
Speaker 1: in Texas. You look at it for the fans that
Speaker 1: can't get to the arena, that it's too far to
Speaker 1: get to, and offering that amenity there. And it's the
Speaker 1: hire day part, whether it's showing Premier League games in
Speaker 1: the morning, rolling into the NBA in the evening, everything
Speaker 1: in between. And you've got UFC pay per views and
Speaker 1: you have all the program on the weekend. You can
Speaker 1: fill a content counter real fast, and it's all live
Speaker 1: and so it's always new, always fresh, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: come to Cosmic to see it at all.
Speaker 3: I know you partnered with UFC in July, and I
Speaker 3: know fans got to experience like something one of a
Speaker 3: con experience.
Speaker 2: Can you can you talk about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So every time we announce a big deal, we have
Speaker 1: a media day where we bring up you know, the league,
Speaker 1: the federation, whoever we partner with, and then we bring
Speaker 1: up all their media. Uh So we did a did
Speaker 1: one big, a dead one, did a big one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, where is he going?
Speaker 2: Is he digging work? Now?
Speaker 1: So we went we did we did one one the
Speaker 1: NBA around their All Star game in Salt Lake. That's
Speaker 1: where we have a big demo facility and then we
Speaker 1: hosted the UFCS as well after we announced that, And
Speaker 1: it's just about bringing the people in and seeing what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. This is us see it to believe it, right,
Speaker 1: which is right. It's inherently hard to market and promote,
Speaker 1: but once they're in, it's just going to give them
Speaker 1: dulously shareable. We talk about this thing called the viral
Speaker 1: coefficient right where it's when someone experiences your product, your tech,
Speaker 1: your food, what all, they just want to share about it.
Speaker 1: They want to post, they want to drive more awareness.
Speaker 1: And we think ours is really big because we've seen it.
Speaker 1: When people come, all they want to do is film
Speaker 1: and say they were there. And so that's that's part
Speaker 1: of the of what we're doing, is we share this out.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that the energy is sport and fandom
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. That's the business we deal in.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing better because we all self select and
Speaker 1: say I want more Saints gear, I want more Bears gear,
Speaker 1: I want more Bucks gear. All the fans are out
Speaker 1: there saying that I want more, and so if we
Speaker 1: can always position to super serve that fan and give
Speaker 1: them what they want, we have a chance.
Speaker 3: How many people can you fit in your in the facility. Yeah, son,
Speaker 3: five thousand square feet? How many people?
Speaker 1: So right here the total capacity is two thousand people
Speaker 1: in this and so you get a good energy and
Speaker 1: just bring on my phone because I got to show
Speaker 1: you the video. There's no other way to do it
Speaker 1: than to show you what we're looking at right here.
Speaker 1: So this is what we built up in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: So can you describe it what we're looking at.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're walking into our office here. We call it
Speaker 1: the Experience Center and this is where we preping onboard
Speaker 1: you and then all of a sudden you go into
Speaker 1: the dome and it is that transformative experience. So this
Speaker 1: is an eight k twenty meter diameter led dome that
Speaker 1: is crystal clear and puts you there. We have a
Speaker 1: spatial audio system so when the pin drops, it's in
Speaker 1: the upper ninety. When the ball hits the net, you
Speaker 1: know where it is. Then you level that up with
Speaker 1: a elevated hospitality, hit great f and b, elevated foods.
Speaker 1: You can hear his head hit the mat in this thing,
Speaker 1: and you have the energy of the crowd. And we
Speaker 1: do all this live live, and so these are the
Speaker 1: things our teams did from producing the Olympics to producing
Speaker 1: the World Cup to going around the world and doing
Speaker 1: this in a live format. I can now bring that
Speaker 1: at scale to give fans that best seat in the
Speaker 1: house no matter what it is. We leverage a linear
Speaker 1: feed and it over top so you get the color commentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's really the best of at home and
Speaker 1: the best of in stadium experience, and it is. We
Speaker 1: think it's truly one of the kind in a category
Speaker 1: defining thing.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So when do we get one in Chicago?
Speaker 2: I like that thing right there?
Speaker 1: Hey, we're looking, we're looking. I got when do we
Speaker 1: get one in Chicago? Let me do some looking when
Speaker 1: I get on my plane to night.
Speaker 3: So, Jeff tell me this, How would this go along
Speaker 3: with a Super Bowl experience? Like, how would you guys
Speaker 3: be able to do that? Just understanding you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you're a football guy. Yeah, so doubt How
Speaker 3: are we going to scale this in football terms? You
Speaker 3: have no doubt here. I know you're going to show everything,
Speaker 3: But how would this compare to an in game Super
Speaker 3: Bowl experience versus what you're bringing to the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the promise of what we're bringing is it
Speaker 1: is a complimentary experience to being in the stadium. We
Speaker 1: are never going to take that place, correct, That is
Speaker 1: a sacred environment. I appreciate you saying, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no way we can ever replace that. What we want
Speaker 1: to do is offer fans who might not be in
Speaker 1: that city, who might not be able to get there,
Speaker 1: who who wanted to try to experience something as close
Speaker 1: to it as possible. That's the offering we're trying to
Speaker 1: give them. And we endeavor to have the second best
Speaker 1: Super Bowl experience in the world, as opposed from being
Speaker 1: there in itself.
Speaker 2: Right right again, you said it, I mean, I mean it's.
Speaker 1: It's are insane. Look it's it's it's definitely an intricate
Speaker 1: puzzle and it takes a lot of patience to go
Speaker 1: through it and navigate with leagues, federations, broadcasters, all the partners,
Speaker 1: all the rights holders, and our whole approach is you
Speaker 1: have to be additive. You got to be you got
Speaker 1: to make the pie bigger. We aren't cannibalizing any existing
Speaker 1: distribution outlet. And that's our approach.
Speaker 2: That's that's so smart.
Speaker 1: And have a partnership minded approach the entire time. And
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully pulling some heart strings, is you know,
Speaker 1: being on the field in certain situations too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. You got this experience growing pretty
Speaker 2: quickly though just from the video you've seen, like I
Speaker 2: I assume you you expect tremendous growth pretty quickly with
Speaker 2: with what would you.
Speaker 1: Just Yeah, we're we're excited about it. So we're opening
Speaker 1: to next year. We have big ambitions. We're going to
Speaker 1: be announcing a few more sites later this year, a
Speaker 1: few more league partners, some broadcast partners, and and so
Speaker 1: the momentum is real. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: like to talk about with our company is, you know,
Speaker 1: when you deal in the in the in the business
Speaker 1: or the tech world, you know there's not everyone's been
Speaker 1: on a team, and not everyone knows how important momentum
Speaker 1: can be. You know, when you're on a winning streak, right,
Speaker 1: how do you capture it? How do you keep it?
Speaker 1: How do you keep everybody juiced up? And that's that's
Speaker 1: what we try to do here every time we every
Speaker 1: time we get a win, you got to celebrate that
Speaker 1: win definitely, and then forget it and get to the
Speaker 1: next one, you know what I mean. And so we
Speaker 1: we just try to keep that momentum going. We've got
Speaker 1: it now, we've got the juice and we're trying to
Speaker 1: just maintain it.
Speaker 2: Right now, Do you have any plans to do anything international?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. We look at the international markets, especially
Speaker 1: with the distribution from US based sports internationally a lot
Speaker 1: of interest. Right. We've got the NFL over in London
Speaker 1: and the rest of Europe and all the interests there.
Speaker 1: You've got the NBA going globally as well, and then
Speaker 1: in Germany too. In Germany it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a big spot. And then additionally you have international sport
Speaker 1: coming here, right, whether it's Premier League, Champions League, you
Speaker 1: look at cricket, that's a massive sport.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing day part for us too, right because
Speaker 1: those usually on different hours where you don't have prime
Speaker 1: time US sports, and so internationally is part of our footprint.
Speaker 1: One of the companies we acquired, actually it's going to
Speaker 1: be weird, is the biggest planetarium company in the world.
Speaker 1: So we power over seven hundred planetariums globally. We have
Speaker 1: forty two in China, and so part of our core
Speaker 1: business is delivering that. If you saw that video, you
Speaker 1: see where that heritage comes into play, and it's all
Speaker 1: that expertise that they have in that space. And that
Speaker 1: gets to where the word cosm comes from. It's where
Speaker 1: cosmos meets the coliseum. And so being able to take
Speaker 1: that same amazing core tech and apply it to that
Speaker 1: live sports and entertainment opportunity.
Speaker 3: Now, now that you're saying all those things takes me
Speaker 3: to where I'm in North Carolina, man Charlotte, and I'll
Speaker 3: go to the Vincent van Go experience and it's kind
Speaker 3: of like you're in this whole room. They're going through
Speaker 3: all these different things and they're pulling it all up
Speaker 3: in And when I looked at you guys video, you
Speaker 3: guys are like inside the ring octagon for M and
Speaker 3: a fighter. And so give me that because the music
Speaker 3: I think you guys is. Of course the texts way better,
Speaker 3: but is it. Can you kind of draw the connection
Speaker 3: for me or really disassociate the connection that I'm drawing
Speaker 3: in my head?
Speaker 1: Well, what I want to say is what the immersive
Speaker 1: van go industry, it's called industry. It's location based entertainment
Speaker 1: in the experience economy as a whole, right, it's booming.
Speaker 1: I mean that is something that is done incredibly well,
Speaker 1: whether it's Van Go or Monet or.
Speaker 2: They just pick it up in movies, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or any of these different entertainment experiences. And it's about
Speaker 1: this this convergence of art and science and all these
Speaker 1: other genres with immersive technology. And we think it's a
Speaker 1: great baseline and it's and it's proven, there is a demand,
Speaker 1: and what we focus on is how do we we
Speaker 1: look at that consumer habit and then apply it to
Speaker 1: live sports and merge that with fandom. And we treat
Speaker 1: every patron like a fan and that could be a
Speaker 1: fan of sport, but it calls me a phantom, music, science, art,
Speaker 1: whatever may be. And our job is to make sure
Speaker 1: our tech is the best in the world that can
Speaker 1: then drive that experience and give them something an amazing
Speaker 1: time and hopefully they spend time with us.
Speaker 2: That's the goal.
Speaker 1: If someone shares their time at COSM, then we're winning.
Speaker 1: And then you know, that's what we try to do.
Speaker 1: And again, the biggest differentiator is the live format and
Speaker 1: the fact that we own all the tech stack and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff around it, but it's an
Speaker 1: exciting time.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back. All right. So you've been a CEO for
Speaker 2: what twelve fifteen years now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, from small companies to bigger ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: highs and lows and everything.
Speaker 3: But I want to ask another question about that. But
Speaker 3: how would you rate yourself? You talked about getting critiqued
Speaker 3: and all these other things. How do you critique yourself?
Speaker 3: And how do you stay hungry? I mean, number one,
Speaker 3: you got to feed everybody at your company too. But
Speaker 3: tell me how do you what do you see yourself?
Speaker 3: How do you grade yourself? I'll put it in there,
Speaker 3: give me the critique. Fifteen do you do? You have
Speaker 3: it figured out? Are you a vet?
Speaker 2: What like? Are you still like?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm still in the rookie Grind's great question? Man.
Speaker 1: So look, in my first act as an AL player,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just put it out there.
Speaker 1: That's my goal. I clearly missed, you know. And I
Speaker 1: tell people on my team, I go, I got fired
Speaker 1: for my dream job twice. Like they didn't casually let
Speaker 1: me go and give me severance. They said, Jeb, you suck, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, And so as I try to think back
Speaker 1: on kind of that experience those notes, the opportunities I
Speaker 1: had there, you try to apply that scarcity to every
Speaker 1: opportunity I have in the business world, right, And by
Speaker 1: doing that, I think you you understand that every opportunity
Speaker 1: can be fleeting if you're not devoting your time, you
Speaker 1: know your spirit and frankly, with with what we're building
Speaker 1: at COSM, I got to give it everything I got,
Speaker 1: and as I continue to mature as a CEO, I
Speaker 1: try to learn along the way. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the being a CEO of a small startup that's doing
Speaker 1: a mobile video platform is very different than being the
Speaker 1: CEO where I am now, which is to me be
Speaker 1: very different from them. We're a big public company and
Speaker 1: we're global and I've got venues all over the world, right,
Speaker 1: And so look, it's it's I think I'm good at
Speaker 1: my job. Let's say that I'm confident in my abilities.
Speaker 1: I think I have a long way to go to
Speaker 1: improve and I try to bring on either team members
Speaker 1: that work with me to help me get better and
Speaker 1: fill my blind spots. Right, you can't be a master
Speaker 1: of it all, and I do think from a team
Speaker 1: building perspective, that's where I try to focus on and
Speaker 1: excel on is building a team, Like, for example, I
Speaker 1: have three stools in the business cosm, tech, cause of media,
Speaker 1: cousin venues. How many real divisions are on a football team, offense,
Speaker 1: the defense teams? Right, What makes us good at our
Speaker 1: job is that corporate support staff, the training room, the
Speaker 1: equipment room, all the guys that are out there helping
Speaker 1: us be excellent at our job. Like I try to
Speaker 1: think of our corporate function as in making our stars
Speaker 1: be their absolute best, right, that's my job. Set the vision,
Speaker 1: resource the hell out of team, make sure they have
Speaker 1: all the tools they need and then let them run
Speaker 1: right and make sure we get that alignment. And we've
Speaker 1: tried to set up the organization a little bit that way,
Speaker 1: Like you know, offensive coordinator, that's my head of venues, right,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that's my head of technologies. Right, special teams,
Speaker 1: that's my head of media. And you try to set
Speaker 1: that up that way. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys feel this, but when you look at
Speaker 1: at a coaching staff and a coaching tree, you'll look
Speaker 1: at guys and be like, man, that guy's running the
Speaker 1: organization like a CEO of a business. That's the best one.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, He's he surrounded his staff
Speaker 1: are all studs, you know what I'm saying. He's one
Speaker 1: of those coordinators run they're all sudden. They let them run.
Speaker 1: They're not micromanage. And look, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: over correlative Is that the word? Like correlate the experiences?
Speaker 1: But that mattered to me, and and I think I
Speaker 1: try to learn from that and apply that because people
Speaker 1: always ask, you know, what do you learn in football
Speaker 1: that makes you good in the business world? Right? How
Speaker 1: do you get from A to B? And you just
Speaker 1: got to find those notes of performance teams and try
Speaker 1: to bring it that way. And so long winded answer
Speaker 1: man of saying I think I'm I think I'm doing
Speaker 1: pretty well. I think you do know I've got a
Speaker 1: long way to run. You know, I got a lot
Speaker 1: to learn. Now.
Speaker 2: I was a pretty good football player at my university.
Speaker 2: You were, you were okay at Alabama?
Speaker 3: So I was, I was. I was pretty decent at
Speaker 3: my team. And I never had an award named after me.
Speaker 3: So can you tell can you can you tell the
Speaker 3: people what the Jeb Terry Beast Mode Award is?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: You know that that there's there's a lot of ways
Speaker 1: you can get an award named after. I like to
Speaker 1: think it was all from my skill on the football field,
Speaker 1: you know, but look, it's it's I don't know if
Speaker 1: I had a reputation or not as an old linement there,
Speaker 1: but I was an energetic, high energy guy. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was one of those guys that like to get
Speaker 1: fired up before the game. And you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a helmet beater. I'm one of those guys. I'm
Speaker 1: not a quiet guy in the corner salt and I'm
Speaker 1: a helmet beater. I'm get him going.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, some people like it, some dope, but that's probably
Speaker 1: where it came from. I was pretty good in college,
Speaker 1: you know. I was able to do some good things.
Speaker 1: And I love Carolina. I love the tar Heels. And
Speaker 1: by the way, expecting the big year from my guys,
Speaker 1: they should. They got to win the first may sling it.
Speaker 1: We got to win the first one.
Speaker 3: You've got to win the first one. I think that's
Speaker 3: going to really talk about everything. The first game is
Speaker 3: North Carolina versus South Carolina and Charlotte at Bank of
Speaker 3: America Stadium. It's going to be a big one and
Speaker 3: those teams, those two teams are not rivalries.
Speaker 2: But they don't like you. Come on, they don't like
Speaker 2: you. You know, you know.
Speaker 1: Look, we've got Sam Howe slinging it for the commanders now,
Speaker 1: QB one, yes, right, Just gotta know that guy's a stud.
Speaker 1: Drake may now coming through. They're saying he's the best
Speaker 1: in the nation. By the way. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you all ever met him yet, but impressive, impressive young man.
Speaker 3: I watched him in high school at Myers Park. I
Speaker 3: live in park right there in Charlotte. So yeah, y
Speaker 3: all the way around. So we feel good about it
Speaker 3: as tarhell fans excited about where it goes. You just, guys,
Speaker 3: guys gonna get a couple of stops on defense.
Speaker 1: Tell me we looked a part. I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you we've got some. We've got some four and five
Speaker 1: stars out there.
Speaker 3: You're halfway there, halfway there, were there looking the part.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Carolina blue is the best best color in the country.
Speaker 1: So if you guys can get behind me on that,
Speaker 1: we can get along.
Speaker 2: I like the blue.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna allow the blue is nice because they
Speaker 3: call it Carolina. When you say Carolina who people know
Speaker 3: that you know it.
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, let's just be honest.
Speaker 3: Look, Michael Jordan's related, Michael Jordan really helped you guys
Speaker 3: outsell it all.
Speaker 2: Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: However he worked, Tell me all right, which one was harder?
Speaker 3: Being an all academic acc player football player his senior
Speaker 3: year or putting up twenty seven reps at two twenty
Speaker 3: five combin. I got nineteen. How did you get thirteen? Thirteen?
Speaker 3: I got nineteen.
Speaker 1: I got more in the in my pro day. But
Speaker 1: what's the official number? Yeah, thirty?
Speaker 2: It has got to be at least thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did better in my pro day, but twas
Speaker 1: seven at the combine. Hey, look, I y'all are gonna
Speaker 1: laugh at this. I got a lot of sports fans
Speaker 1: on our team, right, one of my my business vel
Speaker 1: shut out Peter Murphy, head of our media group, now
Speaker 1: killing it at the organization on an all hands, pulls
Speaker 1: up my combine stats and presents it to the entireization,
Speaker 1: and I was good across the board, have really short arms,
Speaker 1: right for an old lineman. And that that was the knock.
Speaker 1: And he gets on. He says, man, our CEO is
Speaker 1: really good because he's got short arms. But no, I
Speaker 1: will say, academics was always important to me. It was
Speaker 1: always something instilled in my family to perform. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: wherever I'm going to spend my time, do it well
Speaker 1: type of thing, and it was important. And so I
Speaker 1: will say when I went and got my NBA, though,
Speaker 1: it changed from getting good grades to study and to
Speaker 1: succeed in in in the real world. And that's a
Speaker 1: different dynamic.
Speaker 2: Your mind's in a different place. It's in a different place.
Speaker 3: When yeah, when you go back, you're in a totally
Speaker 3: different place. You got to go back. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get him to go back and get his masks. So
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell him he don't want to do
Speaker 3: I have a normal degree, Like, you don't want another one.
Speaker 3: I don't want you need to get one. You know
Speaker 3: everybody experience you're going to do. We're going to continue
Speaker 3: to keep this podcast movement and we're not gonna get
Speaker 3: stuck in the US.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, you're right, I'll get on one shoulder.
Speaker 3: You don't want to fight, you don't want to do
Speaker 3: amazing race, you don't want to get your masters.
Speaker 1: We want you to keep growing. I want.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah, to take all
Speaker 3: this like into consideration. Okay, keep your grades up, my man.
Speaker 3: And uh, but I would say this, what made you
Speaker 3: choose you know you're from Texas? Yeah, what made you
Speaker 3: choose Chapel Hill over University of Texas Texas A and
Speaker 3: m Sup Harve Because I heard you got it off.
Speaker 1: It was the only ride I got, you know, unknown
Speaker 1: guy coming out of high school. I showed up, you
Speaker 1: know mech then's the summer camp matter? Yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: have all the recruiting stuff that's going on now. It's
Speaker 1: hard to get known. I went to a military school
Speaker 1: in Indiana for high school, and I always like Carolina
Speaker 1: I mean, shout out Jordan for I'm telling you this
Speaker 1: being a Texas kid knowing nout to Carolina Blue, and
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go check it out near They
Speaker 1: had a good bus in school and went to camp
Speaker 1: and they were like, who are you right? Like, where'd
Speaker 1: you come from? I go, well, I'm from Texas, but
Speaker 1: I played football at military school Indiana and it's basically
Speaker 1: you want a scholarship type of thing, you know. I
Speaker 1: was playing d line at the time, thought I was
Speaker 1: an athlete. Still think I'm an athlete, but you know,
Speaker 1: got pushed over. But yeah, and then you know, they
Speaker 1: saw potential in me and they offered me, which was fantastic.
Speaker 1: They gave me a shot to play d line when
Speaker 1: I came in, and I did my first year before
Speaker 1: I got hurt and loved every minute of it. And
Speaker 1: you know, I looked at Texas. It would have been
Speaker 1: great to go there. If they would have given me
Speaker 1: a ride. It would have been a hard decision. Yeah
Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, Harvard was fantastic, but I didn't
Speaker 1: think it offered the football I wanted at the time,
Speaker 1: even you know, and uh, I looked at Carolina being
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. To be honest, I had
Speaker 1: a great business school again there top ten undergrad business school,
Speaker 1: great brand. We were just coming off those years when
Speaker 1: dray Bli was there. I mean we were, you know,
Speaker 1: top five in the country. Mack was there just previously
Speaker 1: before I went to Texas, so there was we were
Speaker 1: still riding really high.
Speaker 2: And the DC the Yeah, of course he coached me
Speaker 2: in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coach coach forbus is the man.
Speaker 3: I love how you can yell get all angry and
Speaker 3: never cursed, never cursed, never never.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you guys got them all call you meet yeah,
Speaker 1: meet hey. Yeah, you know coach Horbus was there and
Speaker 1: you know, a lot to love about Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Fortunate for the opportunity.
Speaker 3: So tell me this before you ask your last question
Speaker 3: or I know you're going to come off the dome
Speaker 3: with something hot, So think about it for a second.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to know this.
Speaker 3: How many acquisitions have you had and how many exits
Speaker 3: have you had? And what do I mean by that
Speaker 3: is like how many businesses have you bought up and acquired?
Speaker 3: Always think this is an incredible stat This is like
Speaker 3: looking on the back of your baseball car Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Jeff Terry, how.
Speaker 1: About fired twice from his dream job? Yeah, let's get that.
Speaker 1: That's the start fired twice dream job for the first
Speaker 1: startup that we did. And you know my guy Ryan Nice,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, he's one best friend and co founder
Speaker 1: of the first business we did. Oh wow, so we
Speaker 1: we we had we sold that business, went to Fox
Speaker 1: Sports and did it there started another business that was
Speaker 1: a failure, flat out learned a lot from it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, the partnership dynamic wasn't wasn't
Speaker 1: wasn't right, and it didn't work out. And then with
Speaker 1: his next business founded this other one, invested in a
Speaker 1: number of businesses that did well between then and now,
Speaker 1: and then recently have bought essentially three companies uh major acquisitions,
Speaker 1: but with a few tuck ins underneath that as well,
Speaker 1: and have a few more to go. And look, we
Speaker 1: have a big, big vision for this one man. This
Speaker 1: is cosm. Is a we say, it's category defining, right,
Speaker 1: It's these things where it is just a cosm. And
Speaker 1: I think we have an opportunity here to totally change
Speaker 1: the dynamic of the sports industry. And we're seeing the
Speaker 1: industry tend to agree, which is exciting. You know, it's
Speaker 1: been a lot of work, a whole lot of work,
Speaker 1: but this is a good one. I'm excited to hear
Speaker 1: a lit more about that Mount Rushmore. Four presidents are
Speaker 1: on this big mountain somewhere in the in the Dakotas.
Speaker 2: Since South Dakota, Oh, okay, South Dakota, I said, Dakota's well,
Speaker 2: South Dakota. Now I'm just there. Will you let me Why?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: Why is it cool? Thomas can I fire HNDS cool.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, bigger than partnership.
Speaker 2: Is not working.
Speaker 3: Partnership is not working. This partnership is not working. You
Speaker 3: keep cutting me off. Everything I pitched to you, you
Speaker 3: you shoot it down. Oh my god, I need a
Speaker 3: new partner. Look you come on, I need a new partner.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the Dakotas South Dakota. I've had people in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm not self made. I've had a lot of people
Speaker 1: like help me my failures.
Speaker 3: They've they've critiqued me, They've molded me, they've they've they've
Speaker 3: shaped me.
Speaker 2: Who's on your personal mount rushmore?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man? Four people? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Four people.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's off the cuffs of I don't even
Speaker 1: any prep work for that either. That's that's one. You
Speaker 1: gotta get a lot of.
Speaker 2: Thought about freestyle. Man, That's what I did.
Speaker 1: Do you have yours?
Speaker 2: I do, but I'm not on the hot seat. Yes
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Look, uh one was my dad hundred percent, you know,
Speaker 1: shape me. Influenced me a lot. And the other one's my mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's they were the yin and the
Speaker 1: yang and and helped for me. Who I am? The good,
Speaker 1: the bad. The in between all of it, you know,
Speaker 1: really really drove me to pursuit of of where I
Speaker 1: am now. Oh man, goodness, I'm just gonna throw my
Speaker 1: wife on there too. It is she's the leader of
Speaker 1: our family. You know, when I get home, I am
Speaker 1: in her domain and and it's everything I can to
Speaker 1: uh do what I can to help her as we
Speaker 1: run our family. Right, they got three kids, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on, and then the fourth. I mean, goodness, gracious, guys, hmmm,
Speaker 1: I'm going to reserve the right to come back on
Speaker 1: that one. I don't know, offhands, there's no way we're
Speaker 1: not letting you mean, I don't know that I can
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know that I can do it.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of great mentors. Man, you haven't
Speaker 1: been able.
Speaker 3: You haven't lot lowed down yet since you've been old
Speaker 3: the States, and all of a sudden said, it's a
Speaker 3: big one between those between the three I named.
Speaker 1: Stump, I've had some great coaches, some great mentors, some
Speaker 1: great capital partners. There's been a you know, it's I've
Speaker 1: been blessed to have a ton of people in my life.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna put it one up don't.
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think that's fair to the others.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you might. You might have to be
Speaker 2: make them out.
Speaker 1: You might make it, but then his sisters are going
Speaker 1: to come out.
Speaker 2: You know what did we go to?
Speaker 1: Man? I'n't be thinking about this all night, you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys have got me give me yours?
Speaker 2: Oh mine?
Speaker 3: It was it was my mom, my dad, my wife,
Speaker 3: and then it was my my Actually my high school coach,
Speaker 3: my high school coach, Bill Clark, because he really changed me.
Speaker 3: He really taught me a lot of things early. Uh,
Speaker 3: and everybody else. I mean I could pick a couple
Speaker 3: professional coaches, but my high school coach really instilled in
Speaker 3: me a lot and uh for the like, I was
Speaker 3: not even going to play football.
Speaker 2: I was like going to quit. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just played basketball and he was like
Speaker 3: you need to come back either.
Speaker 2: Like play. He came in and changed everything.
Speaker 3: So for me, I was like not even about to
Speaker 3: be the own basketball basketball Wow.
Speaker 2: So basketball with the Carolina Blue Hey, rest a shirt rest.
Speaker 1: I am terrible at hoops. That guy though, He'll be
Speaker 1: all right, all right, what about you, peanut?
Speaker 3: Mom dad, I'd say, mom, dad, wife And then a
Speaker 3: good friend of mine. His name is John Wright. He
Speaker 3: uh played played in the played football in the sixties,
Speaker 3: turned business kind of like you, and he just really
Speaker 3: helped me grow mentally, you know, mind control, not mind control,
Speaker 3: just controlling my mind and just mental toughness and things
Speaker 3: like that. So yeah, he great mentor for me. Helped me,
Speaker 3: you know, motivational speaker and all that. So yeah, those
Speaker 3: are those are my four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one of the things I missed the most.
Speaker 1: Now on the other side of the uh, in the
Speaker 1: business world, you don't have coaches like you have in football.
Speaker 1: You don't have Sometimes coaches are tough, right, but they're
Speaker 1: telling you the plus minus yeah, and then how to
Speaker 1: get better. And then you've got a team of people
Speaker 1: that are here to help you get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean versus like you're just
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: You're just out there, Like man, this sale cycle is along.
Speaker 1: It's like do I send another email?
Speaker 2: Close this deal? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, how do you react? And you know it's
Speaker 1: it's you. You You miss it when you're out of it,
Speaker 1: right when you're in it. Like, man, this dude is
Speaker 1: on me, Like the step six inches that way is
Speaker 1: not going to matter, but I would kill to have
Speaker 1: someone telling them.
Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of us, though, Like we run
Speaker 3: toward criticism and that's what makes us who we are.
Speaker 3: And that's why you're killing it right now. That's why
Speaker 3: you're so successful in your second act right now, because
Speaker 3: you're always looking to get better, You're always looking for
Speaker 3: that criticism. But when you fail, it's like, Yo, what
Speaker 3: list is that I learned? Because without failure, I can't
Speaker 3: have success, right.
Speaker 1: Right, every every everyone I've ever had is like it's
Speaker 1: a cliche, right, Like, there's a failure in everyone I
Speaker 1: talk about. You know the Instagram line for every like, Hi,
Speaker 1: there's a you know what's the opposite of Instagram? You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's there's a there's a low point there every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people miss that. And anyway, it's true
Speaker 1: in football, and it's true in the business world, and
Speaker 1: it's true in all all walks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Jeff Terry, you are the freaking man.
Speaker 2: Dog appreciate.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see COSM continue to blow up.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see the arenas as you continue
Speaker 3: to put them up all these places. I'm really really
Speaker 3: looking forward to and I definite you in there. I
Speaker 3: don't know if i'd be front row, but I'll be
Speaker 3: standing in there.
Speaker 1: Ready, we'll get you there.
Speaker 2: Want to go?
Speaker 1: I want to go.
Speaker 2: I want to see ready to go?
Speaker 3: Well, anyways, man, thank you guys so much as always
Speaker 3: tuning in right here on this one.
Speaker 2: Thank you Peanut. Good job. You know how to listen
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Speaker 2: I'm peanuts.
Speaker 1: Willman.
Speaker 3: There's someone waving at the window there. It is my god, right,
Speaker 3: I can't hear it. You can't hear yeah, hey, but
Speaker 3: yeah we just saw coach and yeah, I'm Peanut. Jeff Room,
Speaker 3: my uncle were little Jebbie, Oh and little Jeff.
Speaker 1: You want to get a cameo and a jump little cameo.
Speaker 2: Come on the cary, come on here, turn around right here.
Speaker 2: You getting right there, right there, right there, right there,
Speaker 2: we're looking at decade.
Speaker 1: There he is, I'm looking at camera.
Speaker 2: Sorry, getting right over there. Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: See boom, there we go. Five stars, say give him
Speaker 1: five star.
Speaker 2: Five stars, five stars. We'll see all later. Hey taking
Speaker 2: players act? What up? How are us