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Speaker 1: hour from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of both. I'll be bitter about that

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos loss for the next six months. That hurt.

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel Beck and Mark Schlaret both stop by today

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Speaker 1: act So I don't like to make definitive statements after

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Speaker 1: the first couple weeks. But there are some things. What

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Speaker 1: do they say two is a trend? There are some

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Speaker 1: things that we've seen before and they're resurfacing. So I

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Speaker 1: am ready for three hours of volcanic opinions. Are you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Colin, I don't know about you, but I'm feeling

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Speaker 3: oh and two little Taylor Swift to start the show.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's what I know watching the Eagles in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Two things. Philadelphia is I guess beatable, but

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Speaker 1: it's not easy. And the dynasty days of Kansas City

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Speaker 1: they're over. They could be good this year, maybe have

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Speaker 1: some very good Sundays. But I watched that game last

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Speaker 1: night between the Eagles and the Chiefs. The twelve best

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Speaker 1: ten ten and a half at Arrowhead, you kind of

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Speaker 1: felt like Philadelphia. You know, they'd figure out a way

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Speaker 1: to squish you and grind it out. And they do

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Speaker 1: that a lot. I've never seen a team in my

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Speaker 1: entire life in the NFL that's better at getting a

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Speaker 1: yard or two or three or four. Sometimes it's bad TV,

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Speaker 1: it's ugly, but it's just who they are. They're big,

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Speaker 1: they're tough, they're physical and hurts and saque in the

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Speaker 1: offensive line and the tight ends. The Eagles are four

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Speaker 1: and zero since last season passing for under one hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite stat about the Eagles. In fact, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like passing gets in the way of Philadelphia's offensive rhythm.

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown yesterday he had five catches for twenty seven yards.

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Speaker 1: This is what Philadelphia does, the whole mark of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: They know what they are. They esthetically can be ugly.

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Speaker 1: The tush push they created it. They're gonna fight for it.

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Speaker 1: It may get banned. They don't care. It's bad TV.

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Speaker 1: They probably jump off sides a little, but it's what

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Speaker 1: They probably are not designed to play from way behind.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, ask yourself this morning, what is Kansas

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Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy comes back. To Rashid Rice and I predicted

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Speaker 1: they would be a wild card team. They got lucky

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Speaker 1: worthy should be coming back. But this was predictable regression.

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Speaker 1: And there is no question when you watch Philadelphia they

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Speaker 4: Our job, especially you know early in the season is

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Speaker 1: There are steps to get better.

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Speaker 5: We played good, two good football teams and made mistakes

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Speaker 5: I mean, when you deal with adversity, it's about how

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Speaker 1: They got kind of lucky. Either the Raiders or the

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Speaker 1: this was the Sunday to lose. But I think the regression.

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Speaker 1: There's just it's a babe gun compared to Philadelphia. There's

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Speaker 1: take a football guru to figure it out. Okay, Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: it's not about time to panic, it's about time to

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Speaker 1: realize what you are. Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it works. The coach is a timing coach

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Speaker 1: who loves structure, and Caleb likes to have lib. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the two opening drives when Caleb does play within structure.

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Speaker 1: So far this season, the two Bear opening drives, Caleb

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Speaker 1: this league is not a timing style, and this coach

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Speaker 1: craves it. This coach craves structure. So it's Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: Caleb wouldn't work with Kyle Shanahan. Maybe there's a coach

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be big. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: be super mobile. Jared Goff isn't. But there are two

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Speaker 1: You have to be consistently accurate. You just have to

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Speaker 1: be Again, Jared Goff can't run. He's consistently accurate. Caleb's not.

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Speaker 1: And you have to be an anticipation thrower. You have

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Speaker 1: It also helps if you have composure. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he does. He's like the news anchor and the teleprompter

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think this marriage is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb may work somewhere. But this head coach

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Speaker 1: did not draft this quarterback, so how loyal is he

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Speaker 1: going to be? And this general manager by the way,

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Speaker 1: general I've already told you don't have the ownership. The

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Speaker 1: front office has always been squarely. I like the coach.

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Speaker 1: I think the quarterbacks talented, but this general manager three

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Speaker 1: I think it's two week upstairs to overcome what you see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's certain franchises that can't get out of

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Speaker 1: I think the Bears have fallen into this. I think

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Speaker 1: they've fallen into it. I just don't think this marriage works.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean people get divorced and they find the

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Speaker 1: love of their life. Caleb is really talented and Ben

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Speaker 1: this player is capable of doing this, and it doesn't mesh. Now.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy may just be overwhelmed. I don't think Caleb

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Speaker 1: a huge arm. But this is a marriage. They don't

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Speaker 1: compliment each other. Here's the coach.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of prideful guys. We're two games

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Speaker 7: I think they're just as disappointed as as the coaching

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of belief in them. We have leaders,

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Speaker 7: I mean, when you're around this league long enough, these

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Speaker 7: But the good teams I've been on, they find a

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Speaker 7: way to respond. It's not demralizing at all. It's not

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Speaker 7: the moralizing all. We got to play better, simple as that.

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Speaker 1: And what's really most disturbing is when they're on script.

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Speaker 1: It works, two for two, two touchdowns, looks excellent, which

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Speaker 1: he's had a great camp. I mean, how many games

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Speaker 1: a season we thought they were a super Bowl team.

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Speaker 1: It was this season that you gotta figure out this quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But boy, I don't think I'm I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: see quickly, right And I just think this is a

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Colin Wright. Colin on top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. So, the Dallas Cowboys in overtime beat the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants. That is Dak's fourteenth straight win over

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants. So the Giants have had multiple coaches, GMS, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Surgeon was the guy rejuvenated Dak Prescott. He has looked unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: his movement, his energy. He was great yesterday. This is

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Speaker 10: Last year, not running. I think that just took a

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Speaker 1: Back to his Mississippi State career, the feeling was Dak

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Speaker 1: But he's moving as well as he's moved. He's planning

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Speaker 1: If this Dack can stay healthy next year, they're going

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Speaker 1: Dallas does not have the personnel defensively to compete. Their

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Speaker 1: I think the takeaway Dak's run, Dack's legs set up

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Speaker 2: It into over time and now wins it. What a

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Speaker 1: And remember what is the strength of the New York

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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks. The Philadelphi Eagles, with Jalen Hurts after the bye,

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Speaker 1: said we want to throw about twenty three times. Dak

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Speaker 1: my takeaway coming into this season was get first round picks.

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Speaker 1: If you got to move Micah, you got to get

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Speaker 2: This is the Herd line.

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Speaker 1: Ye yeah, fat pass. Dak is the number two quarterback

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Speaker 1: Dak looked better.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 1: He was he was moving around.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what his forty time was before the surgery,

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Speaker 3: They look like the Bengals from last year, all off

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Speaker 6: And let's get.

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Speaker 3: Started with those Bengals, Colin. They are two and zero, right,

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Speaker 3: you should be cheering. But Joe Burrow is officially done

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Speaker 6: In mid December, since he did get the win yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Because back up, Jake Browning, your guy from Washington who

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Speaker 6: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I know he threw three interceptions, but Jake Browning looked

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Speaker 1: Draft you, Finnatty, if you're Cincinnati, do you not We've

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you got your backup and Jake Browning, Why

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Speaker 3: can't find five of them to block in Saint Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 6: It's terrible.

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Speaker 3: And Colin like this is just devastating. You know, Burrow

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Speaker 6: And I'm sorry. As good as Jake Browning has been.

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Speaker 3: Yes, not to say he's not getting me to a

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Speaker 3: TV Okay, am I still.

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Speaker 6: Betting the games?

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Speaker 3: Of course I'm gonna be fading him this week. But

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Speaker 1: Man, Yep, no question.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to the next story, and that is

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. Yes, he was not great. This week, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I made a prediction when Aaron went to the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: mistakes will cost you wins. You will not have a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad stuff for Rogers colin big picture. Okay,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those are not two top ten quarterbacks. The Seahawks had.

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Speaker 3: Three hundred and ninety five yards of offense six point

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Speaker 6: You just said they love defense. This is Steelers calling card.

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Speaker 1: Most expensive defense, I believe for the four straight years.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned it.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a run game, so they draft the

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Speaker 3: They just put them on special teams and he doesn't know

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Speaker 3: And Steelers fans were all coming after me last week

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's week two. By week two,

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Speaker 3: On now that Colin. They have not faced a good

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Speaker 3: caught a major I'm sorry, Pittsburgh, shillers play the Patriots this.

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Speaker 6: With Drake May then McCarthy. Yeah, they still have not

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Speaker 6: faced any good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And they won't face Joe Burrow in week seven. They

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Speaker 1: catch a major break.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: However, look at the second half of the schedule. Jordan Love,

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff.

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Speaker 6: I'm just telling people Steelers are not going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They're not.

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Speaker 3: This is not a good football team, and Rogers is

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Speaker 3: going to be cooked after this year. People are gonna

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Speaker 3: be sick of him by Halloween final story, Colin, let's

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Speaker 3: go to the Denver Broncos. Listen, we could do an

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Speaker 3: hour on this game. Oh you and I both had

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Speaker 3: the Broncos. I will I will go to my grave

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Speaker 3: saying that with the right side. This guy misses a

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Speaker 3: sixty yard field goal. They call this terrible flag. If

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Speaker 3: I could say cuss words on this show, I would,

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Speaker 3: And they get fifteen yards fifteen and the.

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Speaker 6: Guy makes a forty five yarder.

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Speaker 3: After the game, Sean Payton had this to say about

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Speaker 3: the leverage call.

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Speaker 12: Obviously a disappointing loss.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 12: We did a lot of things late in that game, uh,

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Speaker 12: to keep this from winning. It'll be painful to watch

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Speaker 12: that film. And yep, you know we'll uh, we'll get

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Speaker 12: the corrections made.

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Speaker 1: They gave it away. I mean they jk Dobbins spiking

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Speaker 1: the ball a tie end with a dumb mistake. They

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Speaker 1: gave him a second look at a field goal. By

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Speaker 1: the way, further record, Shane Stichen's a great play call, yes,

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Speaker 1: but his play calling at the end of regulation was abysmal.

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Speaker 1: Shane and I kept thinking, there's got to be a

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Speaker 1: trick play, There's got to be a stretch he ran

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Speaker 1: the ball into the line three times, setting his kicker

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Speaker 1: up for like a fifty eight yard or said, Shane,

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Speaker 1: see that's not what your kicker can do. So the

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Speaker 1: first kick goes wide right and is short. So Shane,

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Speaker 1: you know the difference between being a head coach and

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Speaker 1: a coordinator. I thought, I mean, Shane Dane Steiken really

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Speaker 1: whiffed on his play calling at the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos bailed him out. That was a Denver game.

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Speaker 1: But I mean Nby made one mistake and it didn't

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Speaker 1: cost him. Denver made three and it cost him the game.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, the Broncos this is I know

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Speaker 3: people want to say it's just one loss. No, no, no, no, no, Colin.

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Speaker 3: With the Chiefs zero to two, you've got a bank

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Speaker 3: wins right now. Okay, this was huge for Denver. They

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Speaker 3: needed to go to two and zero.

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Speaker 6: They had two fourth quarter possessions.

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Speaker 3: Nixt through an awful, awful interception when they were in

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Speaker 3: field goal range and the kicker hit the upright up

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Speaker 3: from forty two. They can't lose that game. They could

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Speaker 3: be up to on Kansas City tonight, Chargers Raiders. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk about it later. Whoever wins, is up two games

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Speaker 3: on the Chiefs in the division.

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Speaker 6: That is enormous. This early Denver just disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Jmcklin news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: I always said this if you if you were a

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Speaker 1: real estate agent and you were trying to sell me

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Speaker 1: and say hey, I want to be a real estate agent,

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Speaker 1: I would say how long have you been a real

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Speaker 1: estate agent? And if you said ten years, I'd say, okay,

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Speaker 1: take out your worst year and take out your best year.

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Speaker 1: Everybody sells a mansion because you know the owner, and

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Speaker 1: you have friends of a friends and your parents knew him.

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Speaker 1: Give me the other eight years. Take out your bad

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Speaker 1: and you're good. And so a lot of times you'll

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Speaker 1: see a young quarterback have a terrible quarter but also

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Speaker 1: have an amazing quarter. Take those out, you know what

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Speaker 1: are you? So? In seven of eight quarters JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: has played, he has a passer rating of thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: He also has one quarter when he looked like Joe Montana.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to take that one out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in seven of eight quarters, no touchdowns, three picks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams may look out of control and wild in

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Speaker 1: seven of eight quarters. JJ McCarthy looks utterly overwhelmed. The

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Speaker 1: body language from his coach. He looks like a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that never had to carry a team or play from behind.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, that was his college resume at Michigan. And

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Speaker 1: why I said, coming into the season, of all the

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Speaker 1: first round quarterbacks, I didn't get JJ McCarthy. Now I

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Speaker 1: may have missed on Kayler Williams too, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: get JJ McCarthy. I think he's struggling to see the field.

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Speaker 1: I think he's holding onto the ball too long. And

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Speaker 1: there's a big difference between managing Michigan when you're the

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Speaker 1: quarterback under Jim Harbaugh and being a quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: where sometimes you got to carry a bad old line

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Speaker 1: or mismatches. You got to have vision, be anticipatory, get

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball, quick decisions with punitive results if

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Speaker 1: you don't get it right. And I'm watching last night

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Speaker 1: and again he had an unbelievable fourth quarter against Chicago,

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Speaker 1: who we now know is pretty bad. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know when I watched JJ McCarthy. This was my fear

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Speaker 1: is that he played for hardball. They had a game

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Speaker 1: in which he didn't throw a pass in the second half.

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Speaker 1: He always had the lead, he'd make one or two

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Speaker 1: nice throws. You got to make one or two nice

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Speaker 1: throws a drive in the NFL, one or two nice

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Speaker 1: throws a drive. So I mean he honestly, he looks

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Speaker 1: like one of those Survivor contestants by week three. The

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Speaker 1: hairs disheveled, he looks tired, he hasn't slept well, he's

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Speaker 1: losing weight, like just nothing feels right here and again,

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Speaker 1: good kid works hard. Everybody talks about his leadership. One

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Speaker 1: of the things I am almost turned off by when

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Speaker 1: people say, well, he's got it, Well, what is it

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Speaker 1: that everybody had it under Jim Harbaugh. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was like Steve Spurrier when he coached Florida. All the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks were great. They all had it. You got to

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Speaker 1: give me traits, big arm, mobility, thick body, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: anticipatory thrower. I mean, he's got an A plus head coach,

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Speaker 1: he's got an A plus justin Jefferson and seven of

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Speaker 1: eight quarters. He just looks lost. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: even Kevin O'Connell can fix it. And they call him

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Speaker 1: the tall Sean McVeigh. I don't know what to do

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Speaker 1: with this. I know he's only played a quarters, but

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Speaker 1: seven of them he looks overwhelmed, and here's his coach after.

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Speaker 13: He's got a coach better, specifically me, our team will

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Speaker 13: handle the adversity that is now right at our you know,

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Speaker 13: right at our feet. It's gonna be easy to try

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Speaker 13: to put the microscope on JJ. And there's certainly some plays,

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Speaker 13: some throws, some things that I'm sure he would love to,

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Speaker 13: you know, get another out at. But I thought he

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Speaker 13: also when we did move it, you know, I thought

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Speaker 13: he made some throws.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, he makes some throws. You have to

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Speaker 1: be able to make some throws as a first round

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Speaker 1: draft pick. If I had to hand out grades for

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Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks on the draft class a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, I think I would give JJ McCarthy an incomplete. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is an a bow. Nixt to me is

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Speaker 1: a solid B. I think Penix is going to work.

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Speaker 1: I would give Pennix a C plus Drake May as C.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Drake may quite has the pocket awareness

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Speaker 1: of Michael Pennix. I think Michael Penix is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Drake may has some talent, but Pennix is more aware

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Speaker 1: in the pocket. Caleb Williams has horsepower. I'll give him

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Speaker 1: a plus on the d JJ McCarthy to me is

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Speaker 1: really incomplete. He's got eight quarters seven atrocious. I again,

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, justin Jefferson. The protection wasn't good last night,

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Speaker 1: but that was rough. That was a rough watch. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, Mac Jones, No George Kiddle, no Brandon I

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Speaker 1: you but you know what the Niners quarterback had. Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: That's next. That's the hurt.

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Speaker 1: So we said this for years and years about Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: He made Matt shab a pro bowler, had a winning

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Speaker 1: record with Brian Hoyer, made Jimmy Garoppolo almost a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winning quarterback. But he got him there and with

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Speaker 1: a lead against Mahomes in the fourth quarter, and he

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Speaker 1: pulled some magic yesterday with mac Jones. Mac Jones threw

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Speaker 1: the ball thirty nine times on the road. Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: only had twelve thirteen carries like it was a big

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Speaker 1: ask and mac Jones was great. Three touchdowns, no picks,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty yards, one hundred and thirteen passer rating.

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Speaker 1: He asked him to throw almost forty times on the road.

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Speaker 1: There's no George Kittle, there's no Brandon Ayuk. Where do

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Speaker 1: these tight ends come from? That was a big ask.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this the good for San Francisco. They

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Speaker 1: now have two quarterbacks that work. One's probably overpaid and

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Speaker 1: one's absolutely underpaid. But this is what Kyle Shanahan does.

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Speaker 1: That's why I always said with Brock Purty, Rock's better

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Speaker 1: than mac Jones. I'm not denying that. Is he two

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Speaker 1: hudred and sixty five million better because you go on

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Speaker 1: the road with no Kittle, no Brandon Ayyuk. I know

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Speaker 1: it's the Saints, but it's an NFL team. You ask

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Speaker 1: him to throw thirty nine times. Mac Jones has a

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Speaker 1: below average NFL body. He's not a great athlete. He's

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Speaker 1: got an average NFL arm and that was a big

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Speaker 1: ask and he was really good. And the rival La

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Speaker 1: Rams do a very good job of separating performance from circumstance.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Niners do. I think the Rams.

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Speaker 1: That's why the Rams will let go to Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: and Todd Gurley or Cooper Cup or Jalen Ramsey. They

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Speaker 1: know that Sean McVay elevates every B player to an

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Speaker 1: A player or a C player to a BB minus player,

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Speaker 1: and so does Shanahan. But sometimes they struggle. San Francisco

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Speaker 1: struggles separating performs from circumstance. And I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of Brock Purty's success is circumstantial. It's because of Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: and yesterday proves it. I mean, mac Jones is not

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Speaker 1: He could be one of the worst NFL athletes at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He did not have a big arm. Thirty nine throws,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen passer rating, and that was his

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Speaker 1: best game as a pro. Mac Jones' best game as

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Speaker 1: a pro. So I'm not saying he's Rock Purty.

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Speaker 6: He's not.

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Speaker 1: But Rock Purty's ingmed up again and Shanahan's playbook might

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Speaker 1: as well be called Quarterback for Dummies. It's impossible not

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Speaker 1: to figure out, you know. And I just watched that yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and boy, you got to feel good. If you're a

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Speaker 1: Niner fan. You have two guys now one of them

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Speaker 1: you're paying nothing that can run your system, even if

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Speaker 1: it's Luke Farrell, no relation to Will. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know Luke Ferrell. I thought got drafted by Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know, here's Shanahan.

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Speaker 14: After I thought Mac played rule well. We had a

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Speaker 14: number of things we had to change up.

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Speaker 2: It was a big deal.

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Speaker 14: This isn't juice that early in the game, especially with

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Speaker 14: Kittle out, just the stuff we had to do with

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Speaker 14: other tight ends. So we were scrambling there for a

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Speaker 14: little bit, trying to figure some things out. That he

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Speaker 14: handled situation well, that he delivered the.

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Speaker 1: Ball real well.

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Speaker 14: Obviously would like to have that fumble back. Hopefully we

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Speaker 14: can get rid of it a little earlier.

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 14: I didn't look like anyone who's really open though, But

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Speaker 14: I tell you the hell of John.

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Speaker 1: So here we are in Week two and the Niners

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback issue. Pretty keeps getting hurt and then

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Speaker 1: they have a quarterback solution. Mac Jones is really good

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Speaker 1: and I want to put up I want to put

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Speaker 1: up that quarterback grade. And remember I've only got a

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Speaker 1: couple of I've only got a couple of games with

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, so his grade is incomplete. Although one more

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Speaker 1: stinker and he may be on academic probation. So my

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Speaker 1: report card on the quarterback so far is, I think

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Speaker 1: Panix is going to work. I think he gets rid

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Speaker 1: of the ball quick. He's got power behind his arms.

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Speaker 1: You know, left handed athletes, they could be golfers, they

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Speaker 1: could be basketball player. Left handed athletes always look better.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at that report card for the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels is an A. It absolutely works. Bow Knicks

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Speaker 1: works too. You could say, well it's Sean Payton. Well,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's not retiring anytime soon. So bo Nix's reality

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Speaker 1: is he is B plus. And for the record, Denver

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Speaker 1: has done very well drafting receivers. Franklin can play and

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Speaker 1: Marvin Mims can play. So when they got another kid,

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Speaker 1: they just took from Illinois in the third round, so

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Speaker 1: they've got all sorts of receivers and I'm not even

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Speaker 1: talking about Courtland Sutton. Michael Penick c plus, he's probably

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Speaker 1: higher than that. I don't have a lot to work with.

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Speaker 1: But Michael Penix gets rid of that ball so fast,

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Speaker 1: super accurate. I really like what I've seen. I think

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Speaker 1: Drake May's got talent. I just I don't think he

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Speaker 1: has the pocket awareness of Michael Penick yet. Now. Michael

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Speaker 1: Peni's also played at Indiana, he played at Washington. He's

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Speaker 1: got a ton of starts with really good coaches. But

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Speaker 1: I think Pennix is a hit. I think he'll be

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Speaker 1: in the B category in about two weeks. Drake sc

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Speaker 1: Caleb's got talent, that's not it. I mean he's Eke

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Speaker 1: and Ronnie's got a huge but it's not working with

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. In fact, I think Ben Johnson and Michael

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Speaker 1: Pennix would be a great fit a timing coach with

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Speaker 1: a timing quick release. Quarterback JJ McCarthy, I just I

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Speaker 1: got seven bad quarters, one great one incomplete. Here's Jj.

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Speaker 1: After the loss at home last night.

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Speaker 15: We got to do a better job as an offense,

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Speaker 15: just operating, playing, you know, one play at a time,

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Speaker 15: and everyone executing their job all eleven of us. But yeah,

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Speaker 15: this is unfortunate, but I know we have a great

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Speaker 15: you know, character culture, locker room that we're going to

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Speaker 15: respond from this and we're gonna learn and get better

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Speaker 15: and bounce back next week.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of it is you have to

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Speaker 1: trust your eyes. When you watch Michael Pennox last night,

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Speaker 1: under control, big kid, smooth thrower, quick release balls, accurate,

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Speaker 1: trust your eyes. If you watch JJ McCarthy, even with

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Speaker 1: a great coach, and Justin Jefferson kind of feels overwhelmed,

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Speaker 1: well that's probably because he is. You can sense nervous, right,

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Speaker 1: you can see it. And I, again, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot to work with, so I'm going to watch

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Speaker 1: three or four or five more starts. But I have

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Speaker 1: been on this for years. Is but the time you

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Speaker 1: get into the NFL, if you started or been in

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Speaker 1: a college program three years to be a great quarterback

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Speaker 1: at Michigan, you were probably a starter for two to

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Speaker 1: three years in high school. You've had seven on seven

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Speaker 1: summer camps, you've had personal coaching. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: give you, you know, twenty starts for me to have

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Speaker 1: a definitive opinion. So I need more from JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: But remember Minnesota, Jamack, You remember this. There were Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodger rumors. They did want to re sign Sam Darnald,

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Speaker 1: but Seattle was willing to pay more. They had Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones in the building right like they So we kept

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Speaker 1: asking all last season, why did they bring Daniel Jones aboard?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've already got Sam Darnald. Where are these

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodger whispers coming from? Well, now you can see it.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy may work, but they have a roster with

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Speaker 1: a left tackle and Justin Jefferson and Brian flore is

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Speaker 1: making a head coaching job in a year. So Minnesota

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Speaker 1: is built right now to win. Because Green Bay is

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Speaker 1: also the youngest team in the NFL. So if you're

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Speaker 1: going to catch Green Bay, this could be the last

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Speaker 1: year to do it right. So if you're Minnesota, You've

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Speaker 1: got this coordinator who could get ahead job, You've got

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Speaker 1: a left tackle coming off an injury that don't last forever.

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Speaker 1: This is a written green Bay is great but super

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Speaker 1: young still, so you want It's why you had Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones in the building, who Kevin O'Connell likes and stike

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Speaker 1: and is winning with. You had Donald in the building,

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Speaker 1: they tried to resign him. Well, all of that was happening,

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Speaker 1: and you and I kept asking why what you watched

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Speaker 1: last night and for seven of the eight quarters is

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Speaker 1: the why he's not ready yet.

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Speaker 3: I would say, yes, totally agree with your entire sentiment.

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Speaker 3: That being said, Colin, this is, as you know, a

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Speaker 3: week to week league. Do you know who JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 3: faces next week at home, the Cincinnati Bengals. They have

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Speaker 3: no defense, nothing resembling a defense, So whatsoever, I believe

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Speaker 3: McCarthy will come out and have a lot of success

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Speaker 3: next week.

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Speaker 6: I think he and we're gonna change the narrative a little.

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Speaker 3: However, like you said, no left tackle darrisaw was out.

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Speaker 3: Their center suffered a concussion, so he's down to starting

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen.

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Speaker 6: He's in his second career start.

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Speaker 3: I mean, bo Nicks wasn't great last year early Jaden

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Speaker 3: Daniels tried a little while that's right.

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Speaker 6: I think we got to pump the brakes a little.

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Speaker 3: By the way, two primetime starts for McCarthy, so he's

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Speaker 3: getting very scrutinized on Monday Night Football and Sunday next

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Speaker 3: week he's in the you know, the one o'clock buried

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Speaker 3: in the deck. He's going to carve up the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Vikings will win, and I think we'll be like, all right,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's why I said it's an incomplete and

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Speaker 1: give me another six to seven starts. But in seven

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Speaker 1: of the eight quarters his passer rating is thirty seven.

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Speaker 11: Not great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's one of the Caleb Williams looks wild

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Speaker 1: and out of control. I don't necessarily think he's always overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: Some plays he is, but he looked wild and out

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Speaker 1: of control. JJ looks, he looks small, he looks a

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Speaker 1: little the lights are too bright. So you just let

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Speaker 1: it keep going. I will say after two weeks, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's always this sense you can't overreact, and I agree,

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Speaker 1: especially if you have young quarterbacks, they will develop. Cam

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Speaker 1: Ward's gonna get better again. Cam yesterday faced Rams, relentless

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Speaker 1: edge pressure, Jared Vers and Byron Young ate those Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Titan tackles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Rams had like six tackles for

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Speaker 3: loss and like five seconds.

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Speaker 6: Now I'm living in the backfield. So, like you said,

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Speaker 6: word is faced two of the top like seven defense.

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Speaker 1: Cam is gonna be good. Oh, but you can see

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Speaker 1: and this is the reality of a young quarterback. He

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Speaker 1: gets beat up against Denver and now he's getting beat

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Speaker 1: up on the Rams, and you can see cam Wards psychologically,

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Speaker 1: he's running backwards. He's losing trust in his protection. So

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Speaker 1: cam Ward's planned South Florida is different than playing the

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Speaker 1: Broncos and playing the Rams front. He's arguably played the

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Speaker 1: two best US pass rushing fronts, Denver and the Rams

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Speaker 1: in the league. And you can see how it affects

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Speaker 1: cam Ward. After two games, balls coming out quicker, He's

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Speaker 1: running backwards, he's running right, he's throwing left like this.

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Speaker 1: The psychology of taking a beating takes his toll. I

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Speaker 1: think cam Ward is going to be really, really good

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 6: Cam Ward hosting the Colts in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Everybody loves the Colts. They're favored by three on the road.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going back to the world with the Titans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I lost with them yesterday. Colin right, Colin wrong.

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Speaker 1: Hour two on a Monday night