WEBVTT - The Charge of the Light Brigade 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, just cracking us up. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Kind of a rare detailed war battle episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't do a lot of war stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little bit here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>A little here there. Yeah, but usually it's like some

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<v Speaker 2>crazy commando story like you're right, you know, and usually

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<v Speaker 2>where the Nazis are getting beat up because we love

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<v Speaker 2>that narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we usually don't like, say, hey, let's dive into

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<v Speaker 1>some specific battles of the Crimean War.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But for all of you fans of the Crimean

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<v Speaker 2>War who didn't look at the title, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what this one's about. Of course, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>the Charge of the Light Brigade. And if you were

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<v Speaker 2>an English student, sorry and English student and you studied poetry,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably familiar with the poem The Charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>Light Brigade by Alfred Kama Lord Tennyson. I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to say the comm out lab from what I understand, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like the colon, but that was a real deal that

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<v Speaker 2>really happened, and it's a really complicated, complex story that's

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<v Speaker 2>also extremely fascinating and totally nuts at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I guess we should probably set up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about just what the Crimean War was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the Crimean War was over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>a few years from eighteen fifty three to fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in Europe, fought between Russia and Britain, France,

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<v Speaker 1>and Turkey, which was part of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey

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<v Speaker 1>was that is, and it was known for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things. There were some you know, interesting people that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of this ended up being super famous, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of lives lost, but notably, most of the

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<v Speaker 1>half a million lives lost, like maybe as many as

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent died from disease and things like that

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<v Speaker 1>instead of on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is terrible. That was a reason that two

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<v Speaker 2>now famous women showed up to help. One was Florence Nightingale,

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<v Speaker 2>who was very well known as the Lady with the Lamp.

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<v Speaker 2>She showed up and started using like evidence based treatments

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently the mortality rate at these horrible field hospitals

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<v Speaker 2>went from forty one percent when she showed up down

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<v Speaker 2>to two percent at the end of the war. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty impressive. And then there's a less well known woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Mary Secole who was born in Jamaica. She was

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<v Speaker 2>mixed race, and she appealed to be sent to the

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<v Speaker 2>Crimean Front, like Florence Nightingale, was was turned down. So

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<v Speaker 2>she went herself and showed up and made huge, huge

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<v Speaker 2>gains and saving lives there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was the first big war covered by

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<v Speaker 1>the press. Notably, Tolstoy got to start there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>writing about the you know, dispatches from the front basically, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also weirdly where the black lava comes from. That,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the what we in America might call a

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<v Speaker 1>ski mask or a scary mask, or a scary mask

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<v Speaker 1>or a cat burglar mask, it comes from here. So

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<v Speaker 1>lots of sort of little weird things. And obviously, like

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the Charge of the Light Brigade, the very

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<v Speaker 1>famous poem. But the whole thing started over a religious

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<v Speaker 1>argument basically in the Ottoman Empire, wherein for several years

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<v Speaker 1>the French Catholics were battling it out with the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>Orthodox Church over who controlled the holy sites the Christian

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<v Speaker 1>holy sites within the Ottoman Empire, which really ticked off

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<v Speaker 1>Zar Nicholas the First.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he also we should say the Ottoman Empire

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<v Speaker 2>was very powerful for a while, but we're joining them

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<v Speaker 2>at the twilight, maybe even the end of their empire,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think broke up in World War One, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is about sixty years before that. So the Ottoman

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<v Speaker 2>Empire was not in a very good position to defend

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<v Speaker 2>itself against our Nicholas the First, who's like, oh, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to invade part of your Ottoman Empire, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to invade what's in modern day Romania, Moldavia

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<v Speaker 2>and Wallachia, which is where Dracula is from. And he invaded,

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<v Speaker 2>and again the Ottoman Empire, I think they were known

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<v Speaker 2>as the sick man of Europe. There was not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot they can do about it. So France and Britain

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<v Speaker 2>came to their aid, and not for any necessarily altruistic reason,

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<v Speaker 2>but because they were not happy with the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>Russian expanding itself into Europe and in particular getting a

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<v Speaker 2>foothold in the Mediterranean. And when they set up shop

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<v Speaker 2>in Wallachia and Moldavia, they were on the Danube, which

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<v Speaker 2>would take them straight to the Mediterranean. So France and

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<v Speaker 2>Britain became concerned and they're like, well, back you up,

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<v Speaker 2>Ottoman Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's boy. The more things changed, the more they

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<v Speaker 1>say the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy when you see this stuff that happened back

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen fifties and you can draw sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a straight line to the things that happened today in

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<v Speaker 1>Russian expansion. It's just really interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But all that to say is that what is now,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, modern day Romania. He now occupied France

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<v Speaker 1>and Britain got their hackles up. They sent warships to

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Sea in eighteen fifty three, declared war on

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<v Speaker 1>Russian in eighteen fifty four, and the first big you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this could have ended at all, The first big major

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<v Speaker 1>defeat against that English and French alliance was at Odessa.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in the Black Sea and Czar Nicholas withdrew basically

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<v Speaker 1>that land he had occupied. He pulled back out in

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<v Speaker 1>July of eighteen fifty four, and that could have been

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it. But the Frenchies and the Brits said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, now we want to punish them for

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<v Speaker 1>their aggression. So we're going to go on the offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>And that turned out to be a bit of a boondoggle.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. Nations do that kind of thing though, when,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they soundly defeat an expansionist nation, they often

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<v Speaker 2>want to make an example of be like, don't try

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<v Speaker 2>that again. This is not like completely out of left field,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the way it turned out was not great.

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<v Speaker 2>And they chose to invade Russia by landing on the

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<v Speaker 2>Crimean Peninsula. And they chose Crimea for a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>One it's where Russia's naval ships were stationed that they

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<v Speaker 2>would use to take over the Mediterranean if they could

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<v Speaker 2>get a foothold there. And then two, they couldn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it to mainland Russia because Germany was neutral at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the Austro Prussian I guess Kingdom. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't send your troops through here to get to Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, okay, we'll go attack Crimea. And then there

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<v Speaker 2>was one other thing about Crimea, chuck. It offered a

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<v Speaker 2>way to attack navally, which is what the Brits favored,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also offered, at the same time a way

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<v Speaker 2>to attack on land, which is what the French preferred,

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<v Speaker 2>and so surf and turf exactly. It was the surf

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<v Speaker 2>and turf strategy. And yeah, the Crimean Peninsula served all

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<v Speaker 2>of those purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which was mainland Ukraine by the way. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the first battle, or oh, not the first battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this would be the second battle we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and the one that really sets up the story of

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<v Speaker 1>the Charge of the Light Brigade is the siege of

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in California, there's a town called Sebastopol with

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<v Speaker 1>a B.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my aunt lives there in Sebastopol.

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<v Speaker 1>H It's quite nice. It is lovely wooded northern California. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been there myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is with a V.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if it's probably not pronounced Sebastopol.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably Sebastopole, would be my guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what, I've never heard anybody say it

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but I'll bet you're right. I'll bet a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Ukrainians just stood up and went.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if there was any connection there too.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to look that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely there's got to be a heck of a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody just put a bunch of letters together. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastopol also.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of a good solo album by j Ferrar

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<v Speaker 1>of Uncle Tuplo and Sunbolt.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Sebastopol nice with a B or a V with

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<v Speaker 2>a b Okay, wait, did you say B or V

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<v Speaker 2>because they rhyme.

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<v Speaker 1>B is in boy. Do we need to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to the topic at hand, V as in boy? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's September eighteen fifty four. We've got a little over

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand troops total from this alliance, thirty thousand from

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<v Speaker 1>the French, about twenty six thousand British troops and about

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<v Speaker 1>forty five hundred Turks. They land on the coast of

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<v Speaker 1>Crimea and start to hike inland for the Turf section

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<v Speaker 1>thirty miles in and that port city of Sebastpol is

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<v Speaker 1>where they're headed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's I think that's where the Russians had

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<v Speaker 2>their there that navy that they would invade the Mediterranean with,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Russian commander was again named Prince Alexander Sergeyevich Menschikov.

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<v Speaker 1>Great name. Russians have great names.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there was I think an initial skirmish after they

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<v Speaker 2>landed at Kalameda Bay, but it didn't really count as

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<v Speaker 2>the first battle. The first battle was the Battle of

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<v Speaker 2>the Alma River, and that's where Menschikov decided like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where we're going to start to take on

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<v Speaker 2>this alliance force. And they It was a pretty serious battle.

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<v Speaker 2>I think both sides lost many thousands of men, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Brits and the French were not turned back. The

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<v Speaker 2>Russians retreated instead.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And this is when a really interesting decision

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<v Speaker 1>comes about. They were worried that there were more Russian

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<v Speaker 1>armies coming in to that, you know, port city to

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<v Speaker 1>help defend their navy, guess, and so they said, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what we're going to do. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>the old hook and ladder and we're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a wide path around the city so we can attack

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<v Speaker 1>from the south. What they didn't know was that at

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<v Speaker 1>that time it was very poorly defended there. So if

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<v Speaker 1>they would have if they would have just kept charging forward,

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<v Speaker 1>it probably would have been over pretty quickly. But since

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<v Speaker 1>they took the long way around, which they thought was

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<v Speaker 1>a decent strategy, that gave the Russians the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>refortify basically and stock up with men and supplies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they couldn't have known that the city wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>very well defended, but everybody had fled and apparently they

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<v Speaker 2>sunk a bunch of ships in the harbor to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the British navy from being able to land there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in part of war trying to know that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and ironically you would use the light Brigade for

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff, to scout and spy and report back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So when you said they couldn't have known, what

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<v Speaker 1>you really meant was they did no because they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yes, Yes, Okay, you're right. So for the siege

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<v Speaker 2>of Sevestopol, not just the Russians set up and refortified

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<v Speaker 2>the city. The British basically regrouped and they settled at

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<v Speaker 2>a port town called Balaklava, and it's about ten miles

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<v Speaker 2>south of Sevastopol. And like you said, that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>head gear comes from, or the name of it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it actually doesn't just come from that town, it comes

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<v Speaker 2>from this actual battle that happened there. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>road between Balaklava and Sevastopol, and they are because they're connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Both sides need that for supplies, right, Yeah, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really strategically important road. And before the Brits could

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<v Speaker 2>try to take the road or secure it, the Russians

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<v Speaker 2>decided to and they made a really risky move. They

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<v Speaker 2>took some of their troops who were battling because by

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<v Speaker 2>this time the Brits and the French were now laying

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<v Speaker 2>siege to Sevastopol and the Russians were fighting them off.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Russians took some of their troops and moved

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<v Speaker 2>them around the Siegers and put them squarely between the

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<v Speaker 2>Alliance forces sieging Sevastopol and the Alliance forces at Balaklava

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<v Speaker 2>on the road to try to take the road. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a risky move, but it was also what they

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<v Speaker 2>had to do to kind of cut the Brits off,

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<v Speaker 2>the sieging Brits off from supplies ten miles south at Balaklava.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So they attack these artillery positions of the

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<v Speaker 1>Allieds on the hills outside of Balaklava. It turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty chaotic battle scene there, and the Russians did

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good at first. They had a lot of cavalry.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a pretty substantial infantry there and they captured

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<v Speaker 1>these gun positions, these Turkish and British gun positions on

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<v Speaker 1>that hilltop and this is a place called Cosway Heights.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried next to take another town called Catechuoy, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was basically the last the last stop before you

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<v Speaker 1>got to Balaklava. But this is where the Scots come in.

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<v Speaker 1>The legendary ninety third Sutherland Highlanders wearing kilts with swords

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<v Speaker 1>and rifles underwear. Yeah, I mean that's the most you know,

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<v Speaker 1>intimidating part of all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>They were led by Major General Sir Colin Campbell, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had a pretty good idea to defeat these guys

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<v Speaker 1>and it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Normally the Highlanders would form a square of four rows, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're able to defend your flank a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>There's less men exposed in steag Campbell said we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to form two lines, and they were like this is

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<v Speaker 2>mind blowing. So there were more men exposed, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to shoot further across, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just bullets basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And it turned out that the the Highlanders

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<v Speaker 2>were successful in attacking the Russian cavalry. I'm sorry. The

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<v Speaker 2>Highlanders were standing the ground to defend Katakhoi, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Russian cavalry that was rushing at them. The

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<v Speaker 2>Highlanders fired on them. There was a volley of of

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<v Speaker 2>musket or bullets, I guess, and the Russians were like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, and they turned left. And when they turned left,

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<v Speaker 2>they exposed their flank, and the Highlanders fired again and

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<v Speaker 2>really just messed the Russian cavalry up and just caused

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<v Speaker 2>disarray and they had to retreat. So it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really good stand, so much so that like these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, they're legendary now in part because of

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<v Speaker 2>this battle. And I guess I should probably say, I

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<v Speaker 2>think i'm am I saying cavalry cavalry.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're probably accidentally saying cavalry, which I do

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<v Speaker 1>all the time too. But that's where Jesus was crucified, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So cavalry is the horseback troops.

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<v Speaker 1>They should really have named those things two completely different

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<v Speaker 1>sounding yes, exactly, very confusing. And the only reason I

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<v Speaker 1>even know is because there's a lot of old hymns,

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<v Speaker 1>church hymns that I sang that that you sing about cavalry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I know all about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did you sing hymns.

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<v Speaker 2>Not about cavalry? The Catholics don't pay attention to that

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't know how much Catholics sang in church.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, I don't even know if you can call

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<v Speaker 2>it singing unless it's kind of like a Reformists seventies

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<v Speaker 2>hippie church. It's chanting, okay, and it scares the Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>out of non Catholics who like, go with a friend

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<v Speaker 2>to a Catholic mass. It freaks people out.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you because in Baptist churches it was just

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<v Speaker 1>the big, bombastic sort of you know, hymnal songs. Sure, sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe more fun, but I don't know than chanting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I never chanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you used to try it sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll give it a shot. Where do we

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<v Speaker 1>leave that The Scott's the Highlanders won And did you

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<v Speaker 1>did you say that that's where we got the term

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<v Speaker 1>the thin red line.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I didn't mention that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you know, we talked about this being one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first major wars where there was journalism going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and those a guy named William Howard Russell.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he Irish, I think, yeah, he was an Irish correspondent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he was riding from the front lines and

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<v Speaker 1>in the Times he described the line of men that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those two lines of men and their brick

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<v Speaker 1>red coats. Is the a thin red streak tipped with

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<v Speaker 1>steel and that eventually morphed into the Thin Red Line,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another weird sort of thing that came out

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<v Speaker 1>of this war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and another really hardcore war movie, too, Good One

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<v Speaker 2>or no, I'm thinking of Big Red One.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, The Thin Red Line was Terrence Mallock. They're

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<v Speaker 1>both the war movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I was thinking of the is it Big

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<v Speaker 2>Red One?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>That was that was good too. Mark Hamill and the

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<v Speaker 1>guy from Revenge of the Nerds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Mark Hamill gets his testicles own off

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<v Speaker 2>by a grenade.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody does. I think? I said before that was the

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<v Speaker 1>first rated movie I saw on at theater, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. Mark Hamill's testicles.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was. But I could just be making

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<v Speaker 2>that part up.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, So one more thing before we go to break,

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<v Speaker 2>because I can sense that coming on. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first war as far as I know where.

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<v Speaker 2>Some soldiers' wives traveled with them to the front and

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<v Speaker 2>basically like set up a household there. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>very bizarre setup, and they were very unhappy there because

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<v Speaker 2>it was not a fun place to be. Yeah, but

0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 2>they were there to support their husbands. A lot of

0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:41.320
<v Speaker 2>them were.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, man crime me and work who knew? Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>well we'll be right back right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all right, softly jaw.

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Soft, all right. So I feel like we've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been dancing around this whole light brigade thing, and for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, until I started researching this for this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I just assumed light as in like a bright light

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, Okay, it makes way.

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<v Speaker 2>More sense now that what you're talking about is a

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<v Speaker 2>light brigade.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, like weight weight wise sort of, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than as opposed to a heavy brigade, both of

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<v Speaker 2>which are part of the cavalry that the Brits and

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<v Speaker 2>the French used at the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I said weight wise, I meant, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lighter horses, faster horses, presumably lighter men on those horses.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine it was just a bunch of people that were

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<v Speaker 1>fleet to poot and horses that were fleet of hoof.

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<v Speaker 1>Their job if you were a light brigade was to

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<v Speaker 1>ride very quickly across the battlefield, to move places with

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<v Speaker 1>great speed, sometimes to deliver battle orders with great speed.

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<v Speaker 1>The heavy brigade is exactly what you would think. Bigger horses,

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<v Speaker 1>bigger men, close combat, breaking through enemy lines, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kicking button, taking names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so like when the heavy brigade broke up

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<v Speaker 2>the enemy line is like the enemy was retreating, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>send in the light brigade, who would chase the enemy

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<v Speaker 2>down and slash them with their swords and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, they probably had better hair in the light brigades.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably did, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, like the handsome like all right, now all the

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<v Speaker 1>rough stuff's done, get us in here a fleet.

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<v Speaker 2>Horses with their habsburg chins.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was in addition to the charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>light brigade at this So we're at the Battle of

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<v Speaker 2>Balaklava still, this is where all of this happens. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that the Highlanders already turned back the Russian caval once.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that heavy brigade is actually sent in. Their charge

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 2>of the heavy heavy brigade came before the charge of

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the light Brigade, and I think it was pretty effective

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<v Speaker 2>when they when they hit up the Russians. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there were eight hundred horsemen in the heavy brigade running

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<v Speaker 2>into three thousand Russians in the Russian line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's the heavy brigade, so they did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of damage the Russian cavalry. Now it's in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of scrambled to get out of there. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's where we get to a point where there's a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a fateful, confusing order that brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>the actual Light Brigade story. And we're going to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>some people here, none of whom seem to be very

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<v Speaker 1>competent at warring. So basically people like you and I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, imagine if we were rich and said I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be a lieutenant. I'm going to pay to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lieutenant in the Army of command soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what these men had done. With the exception

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<v Speaker 2>of Lord Raglan, he had battle experience. He had fought

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<v Speaker 2>Napoleon at Waterloo. He lost an arm in that battle,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was a war hero. But he was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five when that happened, and by this time he was

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five, a little dotty maybe he apparently remember there

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<v Speaker 2>was a French English alliance that was battling the Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he would refer to the French, say strategically

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<v Speaker 2>they were talking about what the French were doing, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>refer to them as the enemy. That was very confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this battle, the Battle of Balaklava, was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that he had ever led, like commanded men in battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to that point, he'd been subordinate. This was the

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<v Speaker 2>first time he was the one calling the shots for

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<v Speaker 2>the battle, so he had the most experience, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing yeah, for sure. So he gets up on this

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<v Speaker 1>high about a six hundred foot high ridge, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a great view of the battlefield. The guys down

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<v Speaker 1>there don't have any kind of view at all. So

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<v Speaker 1>the orders are going to be getting maybe a little

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.119
<v Speaker 1>bit confusing because they can't really see what's going on,

0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 1>like Raglan can. He's also pretty far away, so it

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<v Speaker 1>takes twenty minutes to get even with the light Horse brigade, Yeah,

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.080
<v Speaker 1>or the light Runner who will meet in a minute too.

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<v Speaker 1>Who hates everybody that's involved here as it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>it takes him about twenty minutes to get there and

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<v Speaker 1>deliver an order, and you know, presumably a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of time to sort of suss that out, and then

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<v Speaker 1>another twenty minutes to come back. So it's probably like

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<v Speaker 1>forty minutes to an hour for this whole exchange of

0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>information to take place. And what Raglin is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do is trying to stop the enemy from taking away

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:58.920
<v Speaker 1>these heavy guns that they had captured at that Causeway

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<v Speaker 1>Heights battle, and so he sends the following order. Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Ragland wishes the cavalry to advance rapidly to the front,

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<v Speaker 1>follow the enemy and try to prevent the enemy carrying

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<v Speaker 1>away the guns. Troup horse artillery may accompany French cavalry

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<v Speaker 1>as on your left immediate. Okay, a little vague, that's

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the message. A little bit vague.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's problem one. It's vague. Problem two is,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, Ragland's up six hundred feet with a

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>bird's eye view of everything going on, and the two

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>men who received this order, the Earl of Luken George Bingham,

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.959
<v Speaker 2>and the Earl of Cardigan, James Brudenell, they're down in

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 2>one of the valleys, so they can't see these captured

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>guns that Ragland's talking about. And when this man who

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you said hated everybody, showed up, Captain Lewis Nolan, they're like, wait,

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.639
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? What are you talking about? And before

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 2>we get into that, we should probably talk a little

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 2>bit about Bingham and bruden because we kind of disparaged

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>them a little bit, and I think we should explain why.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you mentioned being able to pay for

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>a position. That's what both of these guys did. They

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 1>paid for this position of leading these men. They were

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 1>both wealthy gentlemen. I believe Brudenelle, the Earl of Cardigan,

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.479
<v Speaker 1>was described at one point as brave, handsome, bad tempered,

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 1>and brainless. And these guys were brothers in law who

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>hated each other's guts. So Cardigan was a subordinate to

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Lucan and didn't like being under his command. And like

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you said, this guy Nolan didn't like either one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, and these are quotes he said, we call

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<v Speaker 1>Lucan the cautious ass and Lord Cardigan the dangerous ass.

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>And Lord Cardigan has as much brains as his boot.

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<v Speaker 1>So no respect seemingly is happening for these dudes down

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>there leading these charges.

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<v Speaker 2>No one other thing that balaklava hedgear came out of

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>this battle. So did the Cardigan sweater.

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<v Speaker 1>Now don't know whether or not it is legit. I

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>are eighteen to believe.

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Totally get that. I totally get that. This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things where it's like, no, I'm joking, this

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<v Speaker 2>is true. It's named after James Brudenell, the Earl of Cardigan,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the seventh Earl of Cardigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I almost looked that up, but I just ran

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 1>out of time because we're recording early and I had

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a hunch, but I didn't get to it. So you're

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>not pulling my my ski.

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<v Speaker 2>Rope, No, your rope trauma rope, my rope drama.

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, another little crimean warfact. I like that.

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>And one other thing about George Bingham, the Earl of Luken.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>He made his money by as a landlord for poor

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Irish tenant farmers. Yeah, and then would evict them and

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 2>send them to the poorhouse when they couldn't pay rent.

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 2>He was not a good guy at all, but that's

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 2>how he became wealthy enough to buy his position as

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>a commander of the brigade the cavalry.

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess, right, all right, so no one delivers this order. He's, like,

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>we said, a pretty fast rider on that horse. He

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>gets there pretty quickly. We don't know. This is where

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>things get a little confusing. We don't know if he

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 1>had other motives because he didn't like these guys. He

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>also was in the light brigade and he wanted to

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>see some action and at that Battle of the Alma

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>River didn't get any action. And I think he was

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>even frustrated because Lucan had orders to dispatch the light brigade.

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>It didn't take it. Like these guys wanted to see action,

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.719
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to be heroes on the battlefield. So he

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>gets down there to deliver this message. They're looking around,

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>going a light what guns are you talking about? And

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>he basically just says over there, He points at the

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 1>end of the valley and said, there, my lord, is

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>your enemy. These there are your guns, which was not

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:44.719
<v Speaker 1>the correct direction to point.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>No, he was pointing at a heavily fortified Russian gun

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>position right there are apparently like thirty or forty cannons there.

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And what again Raglan was talking about were some poorly

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>defended captured artillery guns elsewhere, right, I think they were

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>on one of the sides. So when he pointed, he

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>was pointing to the center of three heavily fortified Russian

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>positions on a I think a ridge overlooking a valley,

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and basically said, Raglan is telling you to charge the lightpergade.

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>This isn't even a job for a lightpergate, but you

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and the lightpergate are supposed to charge straight to those

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Russian guns in the middle of this horribly dangerous place

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>for you guys to be. Let's go.

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>That's right. And we don't know why he did that.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>We don't know if he was confused. We didn't know

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>if he was doing it on purpose because he hated

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>these guys. We don't know if he was doing it

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>on purpose because he wanted that action. We don't know

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. Because the guy who got the message

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>wrong was one of the first people killed during this charge,

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>which is not funny. I'm not laughing, but it's just

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was known as sort of a war

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>folly by the end of it, even though as we'll see,

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>it didn't turn out to be a complete loss.

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, we haven't gotten to the Light Brigade,

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the actual charge yet, but should we take a break.

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, I think it fits the act structure.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Sorry everybody, we'll be right back.

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Stuffing jaw stoff you.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>All right. So now we're finally at the light Brigade charge.

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>It was not supposed to happen that way. Again, it

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>was a misunderstood or misdelivered at least order and Lucan

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and Cardigan didn't know they had six hundred seventy cavalrymen

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>in this light brigade. One of the most famous blunders

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in military history. They said basically, all right, let's do

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>this thing, and they went charging through what was known

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>as the Valley of Death.

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there was no one there who was like, oh, okay,

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>that's this is a good idea, let's do this. But

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>they didn't question the orders. So when they entered this

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Valley of Death, that's why I think Tennyson called it

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>later right, Yeah, they were again charging right for Russian

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>cannon straight ahead, and then there were Russian artillery positions

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>on either side, and they're running right through this and

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>right when they start riding through the the this Valley

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>of Death, they just start getting fired upon. They're fired

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>upon from all three directions, although apparently not all at

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the same time, but still like this was a it

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>was essentially a suicide mission that they'd just been sent

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on and it just went badly immediate.

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were people that survived it, and they said

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that limbs were being shot off, heads were being shot off,

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Horses were running around without people on them, or with

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just bodies on them, without heads. There was so much smoke.

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Apparently one soldier said it was like riding into the

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>mouth of a volcano. That the heavy brigade it was

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>going so badly. The heavy brigade was supposed to follow.

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of reversed, I guess, and Lucan said, no,

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he pulled those orders back and pulled back the heavy

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>brigade even.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>He said, they have sacrificed the light brigade. That shall

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>not have the heavy if I can help it. Yeah,

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So what's crazy about this is these six hundred and

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>seventy five riders riding into three thousand ish Russians and

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.959
<v Speaker 2>their cannons. Most of them, the majority of them made it.

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>They made it to these Russian lines and they broke

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>them up. They actually at least the Russian artillery position

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>they were charging toward in the center. Yeah, they captured that.

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 2>They actually managed to force the Russian soldiers to retreat

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>from that, and so they captured those guns. That's insane

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that that happened like this should have there should have

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 2>been no one alive, and yet they actually fulfilled this

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 2>nutsoe mission that should have never happened in the first

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>place because it was a miscommunication.

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they ended up getting all three of those

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>positions because they went back into position. The light brigade

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>took out one of those positions, which, by the way,

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we made it clear, but one

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of those positions was the original order, which I guess

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>they eventually got to, right, they just did it out

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of order. And then the other one was destroyed by

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a French light cavalry unit called the African Hunters or

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the how would you pronounce that? Very nice?

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Thanks. It took three years of French in high school.

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's been paying off for eighteen years for us.

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>So French from you, little German for me and everything

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>else mispronounced.

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, don't forget your Italian accent though. Well, sure

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>we have the whole of Europe covered, yeah, most of it.

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>So when the Lpergate charged through this Valley of death

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and broke up the Russian artilleries and the French broke

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 2>up another one. I think there was actually one left still,

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 2>they had to ride back and were being fired upon

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>by that remaining one too, So they had to ride

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>back from the valley to get to where they started back,

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, to safety again. And when they got back

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>they found that of the six hundred and seventy members

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of the Lpergate who undertook this charge, one hundred and

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 2>ten were killed, one hundred and sixty were wounded, three

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy five horses were killed, so six hundred

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and seventy of the members, more than half of them

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>lost their horse. And apparently some of the men told

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Cardigan that they were ready to go again.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess it was, uh, you know, they felt

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 1>like they did good work, they wanted to do more.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't imagine if you thought you were

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>going on a suicide mission and it actually works out

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and you made it back alive. I'm sure you were

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.479
<v Speaker 2>invigorated as probably under selling it.

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but guys like you and I would have said,

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>how about we don't do that again.

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 2>We would have been like, wait, are you sure that's

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>what he said, because this doesn't make any sense. Let's

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>talk this through.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>All right. So William Howard Russell is riding about this

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>thing like we talked about. He is the one that

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>ends up and he did some beautiful riding as far

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>as that kind of stuff goes, But he isn't the

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>one who ended up inspiring Tennyson's poem. Maybe i'll read

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>this last line at least it's a pretty good example. Yeah,

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>at the distance of twelve hundred yards, the whole line

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>of the enemy belched forth from thirty iron mouths, a

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>flood of smoke and flame, through which hissed the deadly balls.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Their flight was marked by instant gaps in our ranks,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>by dead men and horses, by steeds flying wounded or

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>riderless across the plane.

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good reporting.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty good stuff.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>So I think you mentioned before that the charge of

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the light brigade is viewed as an enormous military blunder.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 2>It's still very much taught in schools as like what

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>not to do. It's also I think it's also shorthand

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>among military people as like for any senseless waste of soldiers'

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>lives by higher up calling higher ups, calling bad shots.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>But it's also revered as an incredibly brave, courageous act.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's what celebrated, not not the fact that they

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>even were successful. That's not the most celebrated fact. It

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 2>was that these men just basically put their nose down

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and did what they had to do. However you feel

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>about that, that's essentially what the what the poem celebrates

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>most of all.

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which was when he was Poet Laureate of England

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in eight fifty I think think it was about six

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>weeks after that battle is when he published The Charge

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Light Brigade and the Examiner initially, yeah, should

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>we read this last the second stanza.

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the most famous of all of them.

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you take this one?

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I think you should?

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, forward the light Brigade. Was there a man dismayed,

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>not though the soldier knew someone had blundered theirs, not

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to make reply their's, not to reason why theirs, but

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>to do and die into the valley of death rode

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the six hundred.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and apparently Tennyson recorded himself reading this on a

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>wax cylinder, And there's places on the internet, including Amazing Tube,

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I believe, where you can hear it. And it bears

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>an uncanny resemblance to that remember that doll in the

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Doll's episode the Old Time he talking doll from the

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century. It sounds a little bit like that. But

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>even getting past that, he I don't think he does

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.720
<v Speaker 2>a very good job reading it. It's the worst reading

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of that ever.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying my reading is better than Tennyson's own.

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I am it is.

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, so way to go, man, who I

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Maybe I should be Poet Laureate Reader of England.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I've been secretly lobbying for you to be named Poet

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.919
<v Speaker 2>Laureate of the US for years now.

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>My high school had a poet laureate. Who was it,

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Natasha Trethaway if I'm not mistaken. Wow, she was there

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 1>when I was there. Pretty cool stuff.

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It's impressive you remember that.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she might have been in my grade, So,

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>yeah she was. Who knows, I might have had English

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 1>class with her for all I know. So there was

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>also from Tennyson, the charge of the heavy Brigade at

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>ballack Lava. It was years after the war though, and

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>this was and this is kind of where we end

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the story is British war veterans had a very hard

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>time after this in a lot of cases, and there

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 1>were many efforts to try and raise money and raise

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>awareness for that that a lot of them went to

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>poorhouses and weren't cared for. And this poem was written

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>years later to try and raise money for these war

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>veterans along with Kipling.

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Kipling wrote another one, the Last of the Light Brigade,

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that actually commemorates the charge of the Heavy Brigade at

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Balaklava and Tennyson's writing of it, and Tennyson actually makes

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>an appearance in this Kipling poem, but both of them

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>were basically for the same reason to call attention to

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the fact that these Crimean war veterans had just been

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>totally abandoned by their nations and were living in total

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>poverty in a lot of cases. And what's really said

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>is that a fundraising effort that Tennyson led thanks to

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>his poem and his fame too, I mean, like he

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<v Speaker 2>was a very famous person. Yeah, at this time, they

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<v Speaker 2>were only able to collect twenty four pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>That can't can't have been too much even back then. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a couple of movies. There was one from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six, The Charge of the Light Brigade with

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<v Speaker 1>Errol Flynn and Olivia de Hablind.

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<v Speaker 2>And Olivia to Hablin had her breakthrough role in Airport

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what she's known for. It was a love

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<v Speaker 1>triangle movie about British British soldiers that takes place, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of around this fatal charge. And then another one

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<v Speaker 1>from sixty eight, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's called The Charge of the Lightpergade. But this

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<v Speaker 2>one is a satires, satirizing the British aristocracy, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian Age, essentially just hungering for war so they

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<v Speaker 2>could get their own glory again, buying offices or ranks

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<v Speaker 2>in the military. And it was John Gielgood as Lord Cardigan.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I haven't seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Vanessa Redgrave like, what a cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quite quite a cast. Every time I see

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<v Speaker 2>John Gielgood or hear his name, I replace his name

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor feel Good the Motley Crue song. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>one they called John, Sir John Gielgod. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>add this, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one they call Sir John giel Good.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is. He's the one that makes it feel

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<v Speaker 2>all right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're watching Arthur, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is was he in? That was he the butler?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he want to Oscar for that role

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<v Speaker 1>for the butler.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>He was great and this is one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>movies growing up still is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the charge of the lipergade everybody, that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck said, that's right. So it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, long story short, I've been listening for four

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<v Speaker 1>plus years, and, as many others say, you to have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how much appreciation your fan base has for

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<v Speaker 1>you writing this. I was scouring through old episodes. I

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<v Speaker 1>came acrossing up where you two disagreed on the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what it was, but you kept the

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<v Speaker 1>animated conversation going for a few minutes. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>subtle reminder that the two of you just like anybody

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<v Speaker 1>else or friends and can totally have disagreements or different opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's have a little fun. Can you share an

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<v Speaker 1>example of when you disagreed with the other but rather

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<v Speaker 1>than voice it on the air, you kept it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Or are there any topics where you had a disagreement

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<v Speaker 1>and you cut it out? That is warmly from Warner

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<v Speaker 1>Finn ps, Mom and Dad. I'll go ahead and answer

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<v Speaker 1>for my part in that. I don't think we've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had a disagreement that we've like off cut out of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode that I can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we almost, Yeah, we leave those in. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>think of one either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I can't think of I mean, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>famous you know, watering the lawns and things like that

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<v Speaker 1>from past episodes. But I mean, I'm sure there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of little things I might disagree on it in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment that I keep to myself that just aren't a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, and I don't bring them up because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not worth mentioning in a show episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you want to keep the show going. Plus Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can only correct one another so often

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<v Speaker 2>before you start seeming like a know it all or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>or it just is interruptive most of the time. It

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't matter. Like chassis. You remember you're saying chassis, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't correct you, man, it just didn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, and uh yeah, I think that sums it

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<v Speaker 1>up best. We uh and on just big stuff philosophically,

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we're pretty much aligned as humans and friends. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why there's never any big stuff is because we

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<v Speaker 1>both kind of park our cars in the same garage.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be the most part you much different podcast

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<v Speaker 2>if we if we didn't see eye to eye generally

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<v Speaker 2>on the big stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, And I mean, I think most of

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<v Speaker 1>the disagreements are like you didn't like that movie that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, right, and who cares about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Or you've never had pizza rolls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I don't like pickles and mustard, And even

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<v Speaker 1>though you're determined to you, it's me. There's a pickle

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<v Speaker 1>and a mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>I might like, Yeah, no, I finally accepted both. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've accepted it that you don't like pickles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, Well that's recent because last week you tried

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<v Speaker 1>to feed me a pickle mustard samwich.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just from yesterday. I really gave a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>thought to it in the sauna. Okay, good, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you just didn't like pickles.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what you were thinking about that day?

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<v Speaker 2>That was it?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Who was that from?

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<v Speaker 1>That was from Warner Fenn in Los Angeles. Oh, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna see something else, Thanks a lot, Warner.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, but I stopped myself.

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<v Speaker 2>See how that happened. Were you gonna correct me or something?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not at all. I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Thanks a lot Warner. That was a really great email.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of the kind of questions we get

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<v Speaker 2>at the Q and A we do at our live shows,

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<v Speaker 2>which we have coming up. I think we're probably in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of them right now when this comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, or we're gonna be other places too, So

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<v Speaker 2>you can find out where we're gonna be by going

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<v Speaker 2>to Stuffishould Know dot com and clicking on the on

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<v Speaker 2>tour button. And in the meantime, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>send us an email like Warner did, you can send

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