1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, just cracking us up. And 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: this is stuff you should know. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: That's right. Kind of a rare detailed war battle episode. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't do a lot of war stuff. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit here and there. 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: A little here there. Yeah, but usually it's like some 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: crazy commando story like you're right, you know, and usually 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: where the Nazis are getting beat up because we love 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: that narrative. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we usually don't like, say, hey, let's dive into 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: some specific battles of the Crimean War. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Right, But for all of you fans of the Crimean 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: War who didn't look at the title, you're like, oh, 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: I know what this one's about. Of course, it's about 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: the Charge of the Light Brigade. And if you were 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: an English student, sorry and English student and you studied poetry, 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: you're probably familiar with the poem The Charge of the 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: Light Brigade by Alfred Kama Lord Tennyson. I think you're 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: supposed to say the comm out lab from what I understand, Yeah, 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: like the colon, but that was a real deal that 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: really happened, and it's a really complicated, complex story that's 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: also extremely fascinating and totally nuts at the end. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess we should probably set up a 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: little bit about just what the Crimean War was. 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Crimean War was over the course of 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: a few years from eighteen fifty three to fifty six. 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: It was in Europe, fought between Russia and Britain, France, 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: and Turkey, which was part of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: was that is, and it was known for a lot 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: of things. There were some you know, interesting people that 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: came out of this ended up being super famous, and 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: a lot of lives lost, but notably, most of the 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: half a million lives lost, like maybe as many as 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: seventy five percent died from disease and things like that 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: instead of on the battlefield. 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is terrible. That was a reason that two 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: now famous women showed up to help. One was Florence Nightingale, 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: who was very well known as the Lady with the Lamp. 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: She showed up and started using like evidence based treatments 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: and apparently the mortality rate at these horrible field hospitals 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: went from forty one percent when she showed up down 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: to two percent at the end of the war. It's 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: pretty impressive. And then there's a less well known woman 47 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: named Mary Secole who was born in Jamaica. She was 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: mixed race, and she appealed to be sent to the 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: Crimean Front, like Florence Nightingale, was was turned down. So 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: she went herself and showed up and made huge, huge 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: gains and saving lives there as well. 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was the first big war covered by 53 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: the press. Notably, Tolstoy got to start there, you know, 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: writing about the you know, dispatches from the front basically, right. 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: It's also weirdly where the black lava comes from. That, 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, the what we in America might call a 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: ski mask or a scary mask, or a scary mask 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: or a cat burglar mask, it comes from here. So 59 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: lots of sort of little weird things. And obviously, like 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Charge of the Light Brigade, the very 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: famous poem. But the whole thing started over a religious 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: argument basically in the Ottoman Empire, wherein for several years 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: the French Catholics were battling it out with the Russian 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Orthodox Church over who controlled the holy sites the Christian 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: holy sites within the Ottoman Empire, which really ticked off 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Zar Nicholas the First. 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he also we should say the Ottoman Empire 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: was very powerful for a while, but we're joining them 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: at the twilight, maybe even the end of their empire, 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: which I think broke up in World War One, and 71 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: this is about sixty years before that. So the Ottoman 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Empire was not in a very good position to defend 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: itself against our Nicholas the First, who's like, oh, yeah, well, 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to invade part of your Ottoman Empire, and 75 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to invade what's in modern day Romania, Moldavia 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: and Wallachia, which is where Dracula is from. And he invaded, 77 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: and again the Ottoman Empire, I think they were known 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: as the sick man of Europe. There was not a 79 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: lot they can do about it. So France and Britain 80 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 2: came to their aid, and not for any necessarily altruistic reason, 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: but because they were not happy with the idea of 82 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: Russian expanding itself into Europe and in particular getting a 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: foothold in the Mediterranean. And when they set up shop 84 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: in Wallachia and Moldavia, they were on the Danube, which 85 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: would take them straight to the Mediterranean. So France and 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: Britain became concerned and they're like, well, back you up, 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: Ottoman Empire. 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's boy. The more things changed, the more they 89 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: say the same. 90 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Man. 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: It's crazy when you see this stuff that happened back 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: in the eighteen fifties and you can draw sort of 93 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: a straight line to the things that happened today in 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: Russian expansion. It's just really interesting stuff. 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 96 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: But all that to say is that what is now, 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: like you said, modern day Romania. He now occupied France 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: and Britain got their hackles up. They sent warships to 99 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: the Black Sea in eighteen fifty three, declared war on 100 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: Russian in eighteen fifty four, and the first big you know, 101 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: this could have ended at all, The first big major 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: defeat against that English and French alliance was at Odessa. 103 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: They're in the Black Sea and Czar Nicholas withdrew basically 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: that land he had occupied. He pulled back out in 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: July of eighteen fifty four, and that could have been 106 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the end of it. But the Frenchies and the Brits said, 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: you know what, now we want to punish them for 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: their aggression. So we're going to go on the offensive. 109 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: And that turned out to be a bit of a boondoggle. 110 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: It did. Nations do that kind of thing though, when, 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: especially when they soundly defeat an expansionist nation, they often 112 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: want to make an example of be like, don't try 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: that again. This is not like completely out of left field, 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: but yeah, the way it turned out was not great. 115 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: And they chose to invade Russia by landing on the 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Crimean Peninsula. And they chose Crimea for a couple of reasons. 117 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: One it's where Russia's naval ships were stationed that they 118 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: would use to take over the Mediterranean if they could 119 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: get a foothold there. And then two, they couldn't make 120 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: it to mainland Russia because Germany was neutral at the time. 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: They were the Austro Prussian I guess Kingdom. They're like, 122 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: you can't send your troops through here to get to Russia. 123 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: They're like, okay, we'll go attack Crimea. And then there 124 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: was one other thing about Crimea, chuck. It offered a 125 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: way to attack navally, which is what the Brits favored, 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: and it also offered, at the same time a way 127 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: to attack on land, which is what the French preferred, 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: and so surf and turf exactly. It was the surf 129 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: and turf strategy. And yeah, the Crimean Peninsula served all 130 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: of those purposes. 131 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, which was mainland Ukraine by the way. So I 132 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: guess the first battle, or oh, not the first battle. 133 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I guess this would be the second battle we're talking about, 134 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: and the one that really sets up the story of 135 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the Charge of the Light Brigade is the siege of 136 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, in California, there's a town called Sebastopol with 137 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: a B. 138 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, my aunt lives there in Sebastopol. 139 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: H It's quite nice. It is lovely wooded northern California. Yes, 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: I've been there myself. 141 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Okay, but this is with a V. 142 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's probably not pronounced Sebastopol. 143 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: It's probably Sebastopole, would be my guess. 144 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: Oh you know what, I've never heard anybody say it 145 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: like that, but I'll bet you're right. I'll bet a 146 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: bunch of Ukrainians just stood up and went. 147 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if there was any connection there too. 148 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I was going to look that up. 149 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: Surely there's got to be a heck of a coincidence. 150 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I agree. 151 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: Somebody just put a bunch of letters together. They're like 152 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: Sebastopol also. 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: The name of a good solo album by j Ferrar 154 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: of Uncle Tuplo and Sunbolt. 155 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: Is Sebastopol nice with a B or a V with 156 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: a b Okay, wait, did you say B or V 157 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: because they rhyme. 158 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: B is in boy. Do we need to get back 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: to the topic at hand, V as in boy? All right, 160 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: it's September eighteen fifty four. We've got a little over 161 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: sixty thousand troops total from this alliance, thirty thousand from 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: the French, about twenty six thousand British troops and about 163 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: forty five hundred Turks. They land on the coast of 164 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: Crimea and start to hike inland for the Turf section 165 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: thirty miles in and that port city of Sebastpol is 166 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: where they're headed. 167 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's I think that's where the Russians had 168 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: their there that navy that they would invade the Mediterranean with, 169 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: and the Russian commander was again named Prince Alexander Sergeyevich Menschikov. 170 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Great name. Russians have great names. 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: Right, there was I think an initial skirmish after they 172 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: landed at Kalameda Bay, but it didn't really count as 173 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: the first battle. The first battle was the Battle of 174 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: the Alma River, and that's where Menschikov decided like, okay, 175 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: this is where we're going to start to take on 176 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: this alliance force. And they It was a pretty serious battle. 177 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: I think both sides lost many thousands of men, but 178 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: the Brits and the French were not turned back. The 179 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: Russians retreated instead. 180 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: That's right, And this is when a really interesting decision 181 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: comes about. They were worried that there were more Russian 182 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: armies coming in to that, you know, port city to 183 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: help defend their navy, guess, and so they said, all right, 184 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do. We're going to do 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: the old hook and ladder and we're going to take 186 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: a wide path around the city so we can attack 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: from the south. What they didn't know was that at 188 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: that time it was very poorly defended there. So if 189 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: they would have if they would have just kept charging forward, 190 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: it probably would have been over pretty quickly. But since 191 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: they took the long way around, which they thought was 192 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: a decent strategy, that gave the Russians the chance to 193 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: refortify basically and stock up with men and supplies. 194 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they couldn't have known that the city wasn't 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: very well defended, but everybody had fled and apparently they 196 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: sunk a bunch of ships in the harbor to keep 197 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: the British navy from being able to land there. 198 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but in part of war trying to know that stuff. 199 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and ironically you would use the light Brigade for 200 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, to scout and spy and report back. 201 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Okay. So when you said they couldn't have known, what 202 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: you really meant was they did no because they didn't 203 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: do it good. 204 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: That's yes, Yes, Okay, you're right. So for the siege 205 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 2: of Sevestopol, not just the Russians set up and refortified 206 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: the city. The British basically regrouped and they settled at 207 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: a port town called Balaklava, and it's about ten miles 208 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: south of Sevastopol. And like you said, that's where the 209 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: head gear comes from, or the name of it, because 210 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: it actually doesn't just come from that town, it comes 211 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: from this actual battle that happened there. So there's a 212 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: road between Balaklava and Sevastopol, and they are because they're connected. 213 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: Both sides need that for supplies, right, Yeah, So it's 214 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: a really strategically important road. And before the Brits could 215 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: try to take the road or secure it, the Russians 216 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: decided to and they made a really risky move. They 217 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: took some of their troops who were battling because by 218 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: this time the Brits and the French were now laying 219 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: siege to Sevastopol and the Russians were fighting them off. 220 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: And the Russians took some of their troops and moved 221 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: them around the Siegers and put them squarely between the 222 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: Alliance forces sieging Sevastopol and the Alliance forces at Balaklava 223 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: on the road to try to take the road. It 224 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: was a risky move, but it was also what they 225 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: had to do to kind of cut the Brits off, 226 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: the sieging Brits off from supplies ten miles south at Balaklava. 227 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: That's right. So they attack these artillery positions of the 228 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Allieds on the hills outside of Balaklava. It turned into 229 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: a pretty chaotic battle scene there, and the Russians did 230 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: pretty good at first. They had a lot of cavalry. 231 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: They had a pretty substantial infantry there and they captured 232 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: these gun positions, these Turkish and British gun positions on 233 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: that hilltop and this is a place called Cosway Heights. 234 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: They tried next to take another town called Catechuoy, and 235 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: that was basically the last the last stop before you 236 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: got to Balaklava. But this is where the Scots come in. 237 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: The legendary ninety third Sutherland Highlanders wearing kilts with swords 238 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: and rifles underwear. Yeah, I mean that's the most you know, 239 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: intimidating part of all of this. 240 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: Sure. 241 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: They were led by Major General Sir Colin Campbell, and 242 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: he had a pretty good idea to defeat these guys 243 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: and it worked. 244 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Normally the Highlanders would form a square of four rows, right, 245 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: and you're able to defend your flank a lot easier. 246 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: There's less men exposed in steag Campbell said we're going 247 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: to form two lines, and they were like this is 248 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: mind blowing. So there were more men exposed, but they 249 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: were able to shoot further across, right. 250 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, just bullets basically. 251 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it turned out that the the Highlanders 252 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: were successful in attacking the Russian cavalry. I'm sorry. The 253 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: Highlanders were standing the ground to defend Katakhoi, and it 254 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: was the Russian cavalry that was rushing at them. The 255 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: Highlanders fired on them. There was a volley of of 256 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: musket or bullets, I guess, and the Russians were like, 257 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: oh no, and they turned left. And when they turned left, 258 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: they exposed their flank, and the Highlanders fired again and 259 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: really just messed the Russian cavalry up and just caused 260 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: disarray and they had to retreat. So it was a 261 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: really good stand, so much so that like these guys, 262 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: like you said, they're legendary now in part because of 263 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: this battle. And I guess I should probably say, I 264 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: think i'm am I saying cavalry cavalry. 265 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: I think you're probably accidentally saying cavalry, which I do 266 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: all the time too. But that's where Jesus was crucified, right. 267 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: Right, So cavalry is the horseback troops. 268 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: They should really have named those things two completely different 269 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: sounding yes, exactly, very confusing. And the only reason I 270 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: even know is because there's a lot of old hymns, 271 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: church hymns that I sang that that you sing about cavalry. 272 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know all about that. 273 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you sing hymns. 274 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: Not about cavalry? The Catholics don't pay attention to that 275 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: for some reason. 276 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: You know. 277 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: I just didn't know how much Catholics sang in church. 278 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: Oh dude, I don't even know if you can call 279 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: it singing unless it's kind of like a Reformists seventies 280 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: hippie church. It's chanting, okay, and it scares the Jesus 281 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: out of non Catholics who like, go with a friend 282 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: to a Catholic mass. It freaks people out. 283 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I got you because in Baptist churches it was just 284 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: the big, bombastic sort of you know, hymnal songs. Sure, sure, yeah, 285 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: maybe maybe more fun, but I don't know than chanting. Yeah, 286 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: but I never chanted. 287 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: Well, you used to try it sometime. 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: All right, I'll give it a shot. Where do we 289 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: leave that The Scott's the Highlanders won And did you 290 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: did you say that that's where we got the term 291 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the thin red line. 292 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: No, No, I didn't mention that. 293 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, we talked about this being one 294 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: of the first major wars where there was journalism going on, 295 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: and those a guy named William Howard Russell. 296 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: Was he Irish, I think, yeah, he was an Irish correspondent. 297 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was riding from the front lines and 298 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: in the Times he described the line of men that 299 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, those two lines of men and their brick 300 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: red coats. Is the a thin red streak tipped with 301 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: steel and that eventually morphed into the Thin Red Line, 302 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: which is another weird sort of thing that came out 303 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: of this war. 304 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and another really hardcore war movie, too, Good One 305 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: or no, I'm thinking of Big Red One. 306 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: No, no, no, The Thin Red Line was Terrence Mallock. They're 307 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: both the war movies. 308 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: Okay, but I was thinking of the is it Big 309 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: Red One? 310 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 311 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: That was that was good too. Mark Hamill and the 312 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: guy from Revenge of the Nerds. 313 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Mark Hamill gets his testicles own off 314 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: by a grenade. 315 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: Somebody does. I think? I said before that was the 316 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: first rated movie I saw on at theater, And yeah, 317 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: that was it. Mark Hamill's testicles. 318 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: I believe it was. But I could just be making 319 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: that part up. 320 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: I gotcha. 321 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: Hey, So one more thing before we go to break, 322 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: because I can sense that coming on. This is the 323 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: this is the first war as far as I know where. 324 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 2: Some soldiers' wives traveled with them to the front and 325 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: basically like set up a household there. It was a 326 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: very bizarre setup, and they were very unhappy there because 327 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: it was not a fun place to be. Yeah, but 328 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: they were there to support their husbands. A lot of 329 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: them were. 330 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: Wow, man crime me and work who knew? Yeah, all right, 331 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: well we'll be right back right. 332 00:17:46,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, softly jaw. 333 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: Soft, all right. So I feel like we've kind of 334 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: been dancing around this whole light brigade thing, and for 335 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: a long time, until I started researching this for this episode, 336 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: I just assumed light as in like a bright light 337 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: or something like that. 338 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, it makes way. 339 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: More sense now that what you're talking about is a 340 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: light brigade. 341 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Right, like weight weight wise sort of, yeah. 342 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: Rather than as opposed to a heavy brigade, both of 343 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: which are part of the cavalry that the Brits and 344 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: the French used at the time. Yeah. 345 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: And when I said weight wise, I meant, you know, 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: lighter horses, faster horses, presumably lighter men on those horses. 347 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: I imagine it was just a bunch of people that were 348 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: fleet to poot and horses that were fleet of hoof. 349 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: Their job if you were a light brigade was to 350 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: ride very quickly across the battlefield, to move places with 351 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: great speed, sometimes to deliver battle orders with great speed. 352 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: The heavy brigade is exactly what you would think. Bigger horses, 353 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: bigger men, close combat, breaking through enemy lines, kind of 354 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: kicking button, taking names. 355 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like when the heavy brigade broke up 356 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: the enemy line is like the enemy was retreating, you'd 357 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: send in the light brigade, who would chase the enemy 358 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: down and slash them with their swords and stuff. 359 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they probably had better hair in the light brigades. 360 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: They probably did, you. 361 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: Know, like the handsome like all right, now all the 362 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: rough stuff's done, get us in here a fleet. 363 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: Horses with their habsburg chins. 364 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: Oh totally. 365 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: So there was in addition to the charge of the 366 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: light brigade at this So we're at the Battle of 367 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: Balaklava still, this is where all of this happens. Right, 368 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: Remember that the Highlanders already turned back the Russian caval once. 369 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Now that heavy brigade is actually sent in. Their charge 370 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: of the heavy heavy brigade came before the charge of 371 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: the light Brigade, and I think it was pretty effective 372 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 2: when they when they hit up the Russians. I think 373 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: there were eight hundred horsemen in the heavy brigade running 374 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: into three thousand Russians in the Russian line. 375 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the heavy brigade, so they did a 376 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of damage the Russian cavalry. Now it's in my head. 377 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: They kind of scrambled to get out of there. And 378 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: here's where we get to a point where there's a 379 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: sort of a fateful, confusing order that brings us to 380 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: the actual Light Brigade story. And we're going to introduce 381 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: some people here, none of whom seem to be very 382 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: competent at warring. So basically people like you and I 383 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: would have been. 384 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine if we were rich and said I want 385 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: to be a lieutenant. I'm going to pay to be 386 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: a lieutenant in the Army of command soldiers. 387 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: That was the thing. 388 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: That's exactly what these men had done. With the exception 389 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: of Lord Raglan, he had battle experience. He had fought 390 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: Napoleon at Waterloo. He lost an arm in that battle, 391 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: so he was a war hero. But he was twenty 392 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: five when that happened, and by this time he was 393 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: sixty five, a little dotty maybe he apparently remember there 394 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: was a French English alliance that was battling the Russians. 395 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: But when he would refer to the French, say strategically 396 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: they were talking about what the French were doing, he'd 397 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: refer to them as the enemy. That was very confusing. 398 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: And this battle, the Battle of Balaklava, was the first 399 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: time that he had ever led, like commanded men in battle. 400 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: Up to that point, he'd been subordinate. This was the 401 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: first time he was the one calling the shots for 402 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: the battle, so he had the most experience, and this 403 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: was the first time he was. 404 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Doing yeah, for sure. So he gets up on this 405 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: high about a six hundred foot high ridge, so he's 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: got a great view of the battlefield. The guys down 407 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: there don't have any kind of view at all. So 408 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: the orders are going to be getting maybe a little 409 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: bit confusing because they can't really see what's going on, 410 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: like Raglan can. He's also pretty far away, so it 411 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: takes twenty minutes to get even with the light Horse brigade, Yeah, 412 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: or the light Runner who will meet in a minute too. 413 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: Who hates everybody that's involved here as it turns out 414 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: it takes him about twenty minutes to get there and 415 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: deliver an order, and you know, presumably a little bit 416 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: of time to sort of suss that out, and then 417 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: another twenty minutes to come back. So it's probably like 418 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: forty minutes to an hour for this whole exchange of 419 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: information to take place. And what Raglin is trying to 420 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: do is trying to stop the enemy from taking away 421 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: these heavy guns that they had captured at that Causeway 422 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: Heights battle, and so he sends the following order. Lord 423 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Ragland wishes the cavalry to advance rapidly to the front, 424 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: follow the enemy and try to prevent the enemy carrying 425 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: away the guns. Troup horse artillery may accompany French cavalry 426 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: as on your left immediate. Okay, a little vague, that's 427 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: that's the message. A little bit vague. 428 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's problem one. It's vague. Problem two is, 429 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: like you said, Ragland's up six hundred feet with a 430 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: bird's eye view of everything going on, and the two 431 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: men who received this order, the Earl of Luken George Bingham, 432 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 2: and the Earl of Cardigan, James Brudenell, they're down in 433 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: one of the valleys, so they can't see these captured 434 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: guns that Ragland's talking about. And when this man who 435 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: you said hated everybody, showed up, Captain Lewis Nolan, they're like, wait, 436 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: what's going on? What are you talking about? And before 437 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: we get into that, we should probably talk a little 438 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: bit about Bingham and bruden because we kind of disparaged 439 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 2: them a little bit, and I think we should explain why. 440 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you mentioned being able to pay for 441 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: a position. That's what both of these guys did. They 442 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: paid for this position of leading these men. They were 443 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: both wealthy gentlemen. I believe Brudenelle, the Earl of Cardigan, 444 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 1: was described at one point as brave, handsome, bad tempered, 445 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: and brainless. And these guys were brothers in law who 446 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: hated each other's guts. So Cardigan was a subordinate to 447 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: Lucan and didn't like being under his command. And like 448 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: you said, this guy Nolan didn't like either one of them. 449 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: He said, and these are quotes he said, we call 450 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Lucan the cautious ass and Lord Cardigan the dangerous ass. 451 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: And Lord Cardigan has as much brains as his boot. 452 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: So no respect seemingly is happening for these dudes down 453 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: there leading these charges. 454 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: No one other thing that balaklava hedgear came out of 455 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: this battle. So did the Cardigan sweater. 456 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: Now don't know whether or not it is legit. I 457 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: are eighteen to believe. 458 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: Totally get that. I totally get that. This is one 459 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: of those things where it's like, no, I'm joking, this 460 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: is true. It's named after James Brudenell, the Earl of Cardigan, 461 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: I think the seventh Earl of Cardigan. 462 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Because I almost looked that up, but I just ran 463 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: out of time because we're recording early and I had 464 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: a hunch, but I didn't get to it. So you're 465 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: not pulling my my ski. 466 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: Rope, No, your rope trauma rope, my rope drama. 467 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well, another little crimean warfact. I like that. 468 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: And one other thing about George Bingham, the Earl of Luken. 469 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: He made his money by as a landlord for poor 470 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: Irish tenant farmers. Yeah, and then would evict them and 471 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: send them to the poorhouse when they couldn't pay rent. 472 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: He was not a good guy at all, but that's 473 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: how he became wealthy enough to buy his position as 474 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: a commander of the brigade the cavalry. 475 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: I guess, right, all right, so no one delivers this order. He's, like, 476 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: we said, a pretty fast rider on that horse. He 477 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: gets there pretty quickly. We don't know. This is where 478 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: things get a little confusing. We don't know if he 479 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: had other motives because he didn't like these guys. He 480 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: also was in the light brigade and he wanted to 481 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: see some action and at that Battle of the Alma 482 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: River didn't get any action. And I think he was 483 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: even frustrated because Lucan had orders to dispatch the light brigade. 484 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: It didn't take it. Like these guys wanted to see action, 485 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: they wanted to be heroes on the battlefield. So he 486 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: gets down there to deliver this message. They're looking around, 487 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: going a light what guns are you talking about? And 488 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: he basically just says over there, He points at the 489 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: end of the valley and said, there, my lord, is 490 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: your enemy. These there are your guns, which was not 491 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: the correct direction to point. 492 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: No, he was pointing at a heavily fortified Russian gun 493 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: position right there are apparently like thirty or forty cannons there. 494 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 2: And what again Raglan was talking about were some poorly 495 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: defended captured artillery guns elsewhere, right, I think they were 496 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: on one of the sides. So when he pointed, he 497 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: was pointing to the center of three heavily fortified Russian 498 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: positions on a I think a ridge overlooking a valley, 499 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 2: and basically said, Raglan is telling you to charge the lightpergade. 500 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: This isn't even a job for a lightpergate, but you 501 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: and the lightpergate are supposed to charge straight to those 502 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: Russian guns in the middle of this horribly dangerous place 503 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: for you guys to be. Let's go. 504 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: That's right. And we don't know why he did that. 505 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: We don't know if he was confused. We didn't know 506 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: if he was doing it on purpose because he hated 507 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: these guys. We don't know if he was doing it 508 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: on purpose because he wanted that action. We don't know 509 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Because the guy who got the message 510 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: wrong was one of the first people killed during this charge, 511 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: which is not funny. I'm not laughing, but it's just 512 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this was known as sort of a war 513 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: folly by the end of it, even though as we'll see, 514 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: it didn't turn out to be a complete loss. 515 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: No, I know, we haven't gotten to the Light Brigade, 516 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: the actual charge yet, but should we take a break. 517 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I think it fits the act structure. 518 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Sorry everybody, we'll be right back. 519 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: Stuffing jaw stoff you. 520 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: All right. So now we're finally at the light Brigade charge. 521 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: It was not supposed to happen that way. Again, it 522 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: was a misunderstood or misdelivered at least order and Lucan 523 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: and Cardigan didn't know they had six hundred seventy cavalrymen 524 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: in this light brigade. One of the most famous blunders 525 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: in military history. They said basically, all right, let's do 526 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: this thing, and they went charging through what was known 527 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: as the Valley of Death. 528 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was no one there who was like, oh, okay, 529 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: that's this is a good idea, let's do this. But 530 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: they didn't question the orders. So when they entered this 531 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: Valley of Death, that's why I think Tennyson called it 532 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: later right, Yeah, they were again charging right for Russian 533 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: cannon straight ahead, and then there were Russian artillery positions 534 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: on either side, and they're running right through this and 535 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: right when they start riding through the the this Valley 536 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: of Death, they just start getting fired upon. They're fired 537 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: upon from all three directions, although apparently not all at 538 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: the same time, but still like this was a it 539 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: was essentially a suicide mission that they'd just been sent 540 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: on and it just went badly immediate. 541 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were people that survived it, and they said 542 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: that limbs were being shot off, heads were being shot off, 543 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Horses were running around without people on them, or with 544 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: just bodies on them, without heads. There was so much smoke. 545 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: Apparently one soldier said it was like riding into the 546 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: mouth of a volcano. That the heavy brigade it was 547 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: going so badly. The heavy brigade was supposed to follow. 548 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: It was kind of reversed, I guess, and Lucan said, no, 549 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: he pulled those orders back and pulled back the heavy 550 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: brigade even. 551 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: He said, they have sacrificed the light brigade. That shall 552 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: not have the heavy if I can help it. Yeah, 553 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: So what's crazy about this is these six hundred and 554 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: seventy five riders riding into three thousand ish Russians and 555 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: their cannons. Most of them, the majority of them made it. 556 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: They made it to these Russian lines and they broke 557 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: them up. They actually at least the Russian artillery position 558 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: they were charging toward in the center. Yeah, they captured that. 559 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: They actually managed to force the Russian soldiers to retreat 560 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: from that, and so they captured those guns. That's insane 561 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: that that happened like this should have there should have 562 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: been no one alive, and yet they actually fulfilled this 563 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: nutsoe mission that should have never happened in the first 564 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: place because it was a miscommunication. 565 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they ended up getting all three of those 566 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: positions because they went back into position. The light brigade 567 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: took out one of those positions, which, by the way, 568 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if we made it clear, but one 569 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: of those positions was the original order, which I guess 570 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: they eventually got to, right, they just did it out 571 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: of order. And then the other one was destroyed by 572 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: a French light cavalry unit called the African Hunters or 573 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: the how would you pronounce that? Very nice? 574 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: Thanks. It took three years of French in high school. 575 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: Hey, it's been paying off for eighteen years for us. 576 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: So French from you, little German for me and everything 577 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: else mispronounced. 578 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: Oh well, don't forget your Italian accent though. Well, sure 579 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: we have the whole of Europe covered, yeah, most of it. 580 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: So when the Lpergate charged through this Valley of death 581 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: and broke up the Russian artilleries and the French broke 582 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: up another one. I think there was actually one left still, 583 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: they had to ride back and were being fired upon 584 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: by that remaining one too, So they had to ride 585 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: back from the valley to get to where they started back, 586 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: you know, to safety again. And when they got back 587 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: they found that of the six hundred and seventy members 588 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: of the Lpergate who undertook this charge, one hundred and 589 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: ten were killed, one hundred and sixty were wounded, three 590 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five horses were killed, so six hundred 591 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: and seventy of the members, more than half of them 592 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: lost their horse. And apparently some of the men told 593 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: Cardigan that they were ready to go again. 594 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it was, uh, you know, they felt 595 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: like they did good work, they wanted to do more. 596 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine if you thought you were 597 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: going on a suicide mission and it actually works out 598 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: and you made it back alive. I'm sure you were 599 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 2: invigorated as probably under selling it. 600 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but guys like you and I would have said, 601 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: how about we don't do that again. 602 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: We would have been like, wait, are you sure that's 603 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: what he said, because this doesn't make any sense. Let's 604 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: talk this through. 605 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: All right. So William Howard Russell is riding about this 606 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: thing like we talked about. He is the one that 607 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: ends up and he did some beautiful riding as far 608 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: as that kind of stuff goes, But he isn't the 609 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: one who ended up inspiring Tennyson's poem. Maybe i'll read 610 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: this last line at least it's a pretty good example. Yeah, 611 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: at the distance of twelve hundred yards, the whole line 612 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: of the enemy belched forth from thirty iron mouths, a 613 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: flood of smoke and flame, through which hissed the deadly balls. 614 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: Their flight was marked by instant gaps in our ranks, 615 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: by dead men and horses, by steeds flying wounded or 616 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: riderless across the plane. 617 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: That's pretty good reporting. 618 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good stuff. 619 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: So I think you mentioned before that the charge of 620 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: the light brigade is viewed as an enormous military blunder. 621 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: It's still very much taught in schools as like what 622 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: not to do. It's also I think it's also shorthand 623 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: among military people as like for any senseless waste of soldiers' 624 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: lives by higher up calling higher ups, calling bad shots. 625 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 2: But it's also revered as an incredibly brave, courageous act. 626 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: And that's what celebrated, not not the fact that they 627 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: even were successful. That's not the most celebrated fact. It 628 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: was that these men just basically put their nose down 629 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: and did what they had to do. However you feel 630 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: about that, that's essentially what the what the poem celebrates 631 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: most of all. 632 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, which was when he was Poet Laureate of England 633 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: in eight fifty I think think it was about six 634 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: weeks after that battle is when he published The Charge 635 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: of the Light Brigade and the Examiner initially, yeah, should 636 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: we read this last the second stanza. 637 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most famous of all of them. 638 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: Why don't you take this one? 639 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: I think you should? 640 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: Okay, forward the light Brigade. Was there a man dismayed, 641 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: not though the soldier knew someone had blundered theirs, not 642 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: to make reply their's, not to reason why theirs, but 643 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: to do and die into the valley of death rode 644 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: the six hundred. 645 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently Tennyson recorded himself reading this on a 646 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 2: wax cylinder, And there's places on the internet, including Amazing Tube, 647 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: I believe, where you can hear it. And it bears 648 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: an uncanny resemblance to that remember that doll in the 649 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: Doll's episode the Old Time he talking doll from the 650 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: nineteenth century. It sounds a little bit like that. But 651 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: even getting past that, he I don't think he does 652 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: a very good job reading it. It's the worst reading 653 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 2: I've heard of that ever. 654 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: So you're saying my reading is better than Tennyson's own. 655 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: I am it is. 656 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, so way to go, man, who I 657 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Maybe I should be Poet Laureate Reader of England. 658 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 2: I've been secretly lobbying for you to be named Poet 659 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 2: Laureate of the US for years now. 660 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: My high school had a poet laureate. Who was it, 661 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: Natasha Trethaway if I'm not mistaken. Wow, she was there 662 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: when I was there. Pretty cool stuff. 663 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: It's impressive you remember that. 664 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she might have been in my grade, So, 665 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: yeah she was. Who knows, I might have had English 666 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: class with her for all I know. So there was 667 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: also from Tennyson, the charge of the heavy Brigade at 668 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: ballack Lava. It was years after the war though, and 669 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: this was and this is kind of where we end 670 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: the story is British war veterans had a very hard 671 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: time after this in a lot of cases, and there 672 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: were many efforts to try and raise money and raise 673 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: awareness for that that a lot of them went to 674 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: poorhouses and weren't cared for. And this poem was written 675 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: years later to try and raise money for these war 676 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: veterans along with Kipling. 677 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: Right, Kipling wrote another one, the Last of the Light Brigade, 678 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: that actually commemorates the charge of the Heavy Brigade at 679 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 2: Balaklava and Tennyson's writing of it, and Tennyson actually makes 680 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 2: an appearance in this Kipling poem, but both of them 681 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: were basically for the same reason to call attention to 682 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: the fact that these Crimean war veterans had just been 683 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: totally abandoned by their nations and were living in total 684 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: poverty in a lot of cases. And what's really said 685 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: is that a fundraising effort that Tennyson led thanks to 686 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 2: his poem and his fame too, I mean, like he 687 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: was a very famous person. Yeah, at this time, they 688 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 2: were only able to collect twenty four pounds. 689 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: That can't can't have been too much even back then. No, 690 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: there were a couple of movies. There was one from 691 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, The Charge of the Light Brigade with 692 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: Errol Flynn and Olivia de Hablind. 693 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: And Olivia to Hablin had her breakthrough role in Airport 694 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: seventy seven years later. 695 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she's known for. It was a love 696 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: triangle movie about British British soldiers that takes place, you know, 697 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: sort of around this fatal charge. And then another one 698 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: from sixty eight, right. 699 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called The Charge of the Lightpergade. But this 700 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: one is a satires, satirizing the British aristocracy, especially in 701 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 2: the Victorian Age, essentially just hungering for war so they 702 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: could get their own glory again, buying offices or ranks 703 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 2: in the military. And it was John Gielgood as Lord Cardigan. 704 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 2: And yeah, I haven't seen. 705 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: It, Vanessa Redgrave like, what a cast. 706 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite quite a cast. Every time I see 707 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 2: John Gielgood or hear his name, I replace his name 708 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: with doctor feel Good the Motley Crue song. He's the 709 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 2: one they called John, Sir John Gielgod. You have to 710 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 2: add this, sir. 711 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: He's the one they call Sir John giel Good. 712 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 2: There it is. He's the one that makes it feel 713 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 2: all right, that's right. 714 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: If you're watching Arthur, that. 715 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: Is was he in? That was he the butler? 716 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he want to Oscar for that role 717 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: for the butler. 718 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's impressive. 719 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: He was great and this is one of my favorite 720 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: movies growing up still is awesome. 721 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's the charge of the lipergade everybody, that's right, 722 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: Chuck said, that's right. So it's time for listener mail. 723 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Hey guys, long story short, I've been listening for four 724 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: plus years, and, as many others say, you to have 725 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: no idea how much appreciation your fan base has for 726 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: you writing this. I was scouring through old episodes. I 727 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: came acrossing up where you two disagreed on the subject. 728 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was, but you kept the 729 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: animated conversation going for a few minutes. It was a 730 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: subtle reminder that the two of you just like anybody 731 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: else or friends and can totally have disagreements or different opinions. 732 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: But let's have a little fun. Can you share an 733 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: example of when you disagreed with the other but rather 734 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: than voice it on the air, you kept it to yourself. 735 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: Or are there any topics where you had a disagreement 736 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: and you cut it out? That is warmly from Warner 737 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: Finn ps, Mom and Dad. I'll go ahead and answer 738 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: for my part in that. I don't think we've ever 739 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: had a disagreement that we've like off cut out of 740 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: the episode that I can think of. 741 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: No, we almost, Yeah, we leave those in. I can't 742 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 2: think of one either. 743 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't think of I mean, there's the 744 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: famous you know, watering the lawns and things like that 745 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: from past episodes. But I mean, I'm sure there's lots 746 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: of little things I might disagree on it in the 747 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: moment that I keep to myself that just aren't a 748 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: big deal, and I don't bring them up because it's 749 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: just not worth mentioning in a show episode. 750 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to keep the show going. Plus Also, 751 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you can only correct one another so often 752 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 2: before you start seeming like a know it all or whatever, 753 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 2: or it just is interruptive most of the time. It 754 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 2: just doesn't matter. Like chassis. You remember you're saying chassis, right, 755 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: and I didn't correct you, man, it just didn't matter, 756 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 2: you know. 757 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and uh yeah, I think that sums it 758 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: up best. We uh and on just big stuff philosophically, 759 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: we're pretty much aligned as humans and friends. So like, 760 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: that's why there's never any big stuff is because we 761 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: both kind of park our cars in the same garage. 762 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 2: It would be the most part you much different podcast 763 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 2: if we if we didn't see eye to eye generally 764 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 2: on the big stuff. 765 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: I think yeah, And I mean, I think most of 766 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: the disagreements are like you didn't like that movie that 767 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, right, and who cares about that? 768 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Or you've never had pizza rolls. 769 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't like pickles and mustard, And even 770 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: though you're determined to you, it's me. There's a pickle 771 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: and a mustard. 772 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 2: I might like, Yeah, no, I finally accepted both. Okay, 773 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 2: I've accepted it that you don't like pickles. 774 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: It's okay, Well that's recent because last week you tried 775 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: to feed me a pickle mustard samwich. 776 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 2: It's just from yesterday. I really gave a lot of 777 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: thought to it in the sauna. Okay, good, and yeah, 778 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, you just didn't like pickles. 779 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: I wonder what you were thinking about that day? 780 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 2: That was it? 781 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 3: All right? 782 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: All right? Who was that from? 783 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: That was from Warner Fenn in Los Angeles. Oh, that's it. 784 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna see something else, Thanks a lot, Warner. 785 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: I was, but I stopped myself. 786 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 2: See how that happened. Were you gonna correct me or something? 787 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: No, not at all. I'll tell you. 788 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Thanks a lot Warner. That was a really great email. 789 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: It reminds me of the kind of questions we get 790 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: at the Q and A we do at our live shows, 791 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 2: which we have coming up. I think we're probably in 792 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,919 Speaker 2: the middle of them right now when this comes out. 793 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 2: That's right, or we're gonna be other places too, So 794 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 2: you can find out where we're gonna be by going 795 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 2: to Stuffishould Know dot com and clicking on the on 796 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 2: tour button. And in the meantime, if you want to 797 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 2: send us an email like Warner did, you can send 798 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: it to stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com. 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