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Speaker 1: That was Nina Turner, one of the top, if not

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Speaker 1: Strategy Group. All right, we have had a busy day

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Speaker 1: of news. We're following the US China trade talks. The

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Speaker 1: But what else is on your radar, Brad Blakeman as

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Speaker 1: Is that the next step? What exactly are the charges?

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Speaker 1: How does that impact already the insanity that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's what I just because he obviously

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Speaker 1: to Christians in America, not everybody is going to buy

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Speaker 1: What's on my radar? Tim Cook? Tim Cook, Apple Inc.

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Speaker 1: Chief c Chief executive Officer CEO, Tim Cook, we all

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Speaker 1: this month. It's just the latest, the latest ongoing twist

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Speaker 1: on the global scale. My thanks to Brad Blakeman, My

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Speaker 1: thanks to Isaac Right. Would you come back, isaacstely Right,

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