1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Nobodies had gone over to do a welfare check. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: What they walked into was a murder scene. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 3: They had found three bodies. 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: And all roads led to one suspect. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 4: Who he knew who the killer was, but we didn't 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 4: have any physical evidence. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 3: He was a hothead and you if you said the 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 3: wrong thing, it pressed the button and the fuse was lit. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: I would tell these guys watch your back. I will 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: get my venion when I get them out of here. 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 5: That's all accounted, Okay. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: He knew the vehicles that we were driving, the detectives 13 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: that were involved, so it brought some concern to us. 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: And this is going to get bad. 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: This is American Homicide, a show where we take you 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: across the country to investigate some of America's deadliest crimes. 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: We'll explore how these murders are shaped by their unique landscapes, 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: and in turn, how these tragedies have shaped the fabric 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: of these American communities forever. Today we're in Las Cruces, 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: New Mexico. This is part one of Murder in the Desert. 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: This podcast also contains subject matter which may not be 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: suitable for all audiences. Discretion is advised. Just north of 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: the Mexican border is Las Cruces. 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Las Crusis is on the far south end of New Mexico. 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: It's a place Bob Senecal calls home. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: It's a very harmonious setting. People are very comfortable with 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: each other and gracious to each other. 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: It could have something to do with all that vitamin D. 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Las CRUs as sea sunshine three hundred and fifty days 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: a year and consistently ranks on the list of best 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: places to retire. 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: Think about the moon with lots of sun. This is 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: a desert landscape. 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: And it's also rich in history. 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: This is home to Billy the Kid and a lot 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: of the desperadoes and characters. 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: The notorious outlaw Billy the Kid is known for evading 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: authorities in the late eighteen hundreds. He's the subject of 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: several old Western TV shows and movies. 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Billy the Kid was sentenced to death here in the 41 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: town of Messia, which is just to the south of us. 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: Bob moved to Las Cruces in the early two thousands 43 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: and had no idea there was an outlaw living among them. 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: We'll get back to that in a minute. Bob's home 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: sat in the hills of an affluent section of Las Cruses, 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: It's a neighborhood where numerous seniors lived, including a couple 47 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: named Jill and Helga Delile. 48 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: There was a lot of commonality between us, especially myself 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: and Jill. We were kind of brethren. I think you 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: could say. Helga and Jill very educated. They both got 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: their doctorates in language. Helga came out to New Mexico 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: State University with the intent of taking over the language department, 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: in which she did. 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: She spoke four languages and was active in the local 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: arts scene. She and her acrylic paintings were well known 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: in the area. As for Jill, he was an inventor 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: who created a device that dug up a Christmas tree 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: without severing its roots, and in twenty ten he was 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: about to sell another device that would extend gas mileage 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: and he planned to donate the proceeds to charity. But 61 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: he spent most of his time in real estate. 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: He started developing real estate investment trusts and he and 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: his partner did this on a regular basis. 64 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: Without any children. Jill and Helgo were always traveling back 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: and forth to Mexico, Costa Rica, and South Africa. Jill 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: had heart issues that caused him to slow down, so 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: he put his name on the waiting list for a transplant. 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: His spock came up in nineteen ninety. 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Six, and he was very, very grateful to be alive, 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: expressed itself. 71 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: Jill adopted the expression carbe dim seized the day. 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: He was French Canadian, impulsive and fun loving and daredevil 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: if you will. He was a good man. He was 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: a buddy. 75 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: Jill was also a guy with a problem. He hired 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: the contractor who built his palatial estate in Las Cruces 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: to build some other properties, but the deal fell apart. 78 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: The contractor blew through his budget and then took out 79 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: a loan from Jill, but didn't pay him back. When 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: his tab climbed over a million dollars, Jill sued him. 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: They've been in court several times over the last three years. 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: Their long legal battle was finally supposed to come to 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: an end in April twenty ten, which thrilled Jill. 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: We were at his out for dinner and Jill said, 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: the judge is going to make a ruling on Thursday 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: and declare him bankrupt and take his assets. 87 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: That Thursday, Jill, Helga and their business partner Peter White 88 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: never showed up to court. They're a lawyer called nine 89 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: on one. 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 5: I'm a lawyer here in town. We had a special 91 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 5: master sales schedule for this morning and my client intended 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 5: to be there. He his wife and their friend that 93 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 5: was also my client. We can't get a hold of 94 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 5: them on cell phones or on their house phone. 95 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: Okay, if i'm we're sending someone out there to go 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 4: ahead and check it out, and we'll get back to 97 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 4: as soon as we find some information out. Okay. 98 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: The Deliles home sits in a remote part of Las 99 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: Cruces that's accessible by just two roads. 100 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: It's to the west of the Rio Grande River and 101 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: an a fairly affluent neighborhood. 102 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: That morning, just after eleven am, Sergeant Joe Renault was 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: one of the first responders. 104 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: This house is kind of up on a hill. It's 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: called a very long dirt driveway. 106 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Officers walked past a Cadillac parked on the driveway and 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: approached the home. They knocked on a large class door, 108 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: but no one answered. 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: We had the fourth entry and to get into the house, 110 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: so they broke the window and entered the house through 111 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: that way, and there was shattered glass all over the floor, 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: and I can remember my feet crunching the shards of 113 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 3: glass on the floor. It opens up into a wide 114 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: open living space and the kitchen was to the right, 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: and I immediately saw a missus Delile lamb face down 116 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: on the floor. 117 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: I've got doll on the ground the kitchen A code 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: thirty means homicide. Police found the body of seventy two 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: year old Helga Delile lying on the kitchen floor. Next 120 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: to her body was her purse and cell phone, along 121 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: with a small plastic bag of groceries. A narrow pool 122 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: of blood extended from her head to the edge of 123 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: the kitchen, where the hardwood met the tile of the 124 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: dining area. 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: The sergeant of patrol then took me to the other 126 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: side of the kitchen counter or I saw mister Delile. 127 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: Sixty nine year old Jill Delile, was faced down on 128 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: the floor. His entire body was soaked with blood. 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: I just couldn't believe how brutal it was. That's what 130 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: was going through my head, that this was just brutal. 131 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: So upon seeing it scene like that, I always go 132 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: through a lot of different scenarios of possibilities in my 133 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: head and one by one kind of mentally check them off. 134 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: As I'm walking through a scene, and to me it 135 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: appeared to be an intentional homicide. Whoever did this just 136 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: absolutely hated these people. 137 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: With news of a double homicide, Prosecutor Amy Orlando joined 138 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: the team of officers at the scene. 139 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: When you then enter the front door, and you didn't 140 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: see anything disturbed. The house was in pristine, like someone 141 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: had just come and cleaned it. There wasn't anything turned over, 142 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: nothing had been knocked on. 143 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 2: The floor aside from the two bodies and some shellcases 144 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: from a nine millimeter gun. The kitchen was relatively clean. 145 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: You saw some somebody had tried to clean up some blood, 146 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: and there was smears. 147 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: The smears indicated that Helka's body may have been dragged 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: into the kitchen next to her husband, who took multiple 149 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: gunshots to the legs, chest, and. 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: Head, so we believe that he tortured him to some 151 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: degree before he finally killed him. Helgo was still holding 152 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: her purse, her wallet was in there. 153 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: So far, it looks like two victims were executed, but 154 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: nothing appears to be taken from the victims or even 155 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: the house. 156 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: There's a long hallway going down the house and then 157 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: at the very end of the house where there's nothing 158 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: else left is a walk in shower. 159 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: This is where they make another gruesome discovery. There was 160 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: another victim, a male, who was slumped against the shower. 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: The third victim had clearly ran down there. He was 162 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 4: still holding his grocery bag and was clutching it and 163 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: had literally ran to the end of the house where 164 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: he could run no more. And I just think of 165 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: how terrifying that fear must have been, to know that 166 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 4: there was nothing else you could do. 167 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: The third victim was identified as Peter, wife, the Delials 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: business partner. He was the owner of the Cadillac part 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: in the driveway. Investigators found an important clue inside Peter's 170 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: grocery bag, a receipt that, along with the receipt inside 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: Helga's grocery bag, helped the detectives piece together in an 172 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: approximate timeline. They believed the killer was inside the Delials 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: home between four thirty and six thirty PM. 174 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: It had to be someone that at least knew him 175 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: or was familiar with the place, because when you have 176 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: three people that have been killed, it would not be 177 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: in a pristine condition as if it had literally just 178 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: been cleaned by a professional. There would be blood droplets 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: someplace there wasn't other than the blood smears, there was 180 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: no blood. We found one blood droplet on the garage door. 181 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: In their garage. Police noticed that one of the Delial's 182 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: vehicles was missing, so a bolo alert went out to 183 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: be on the lookout for their white niece on Pathfinder. 184 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: But a key piece of evidence came from the delios 185 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: landline telephone. Keep in mind it was twenty ten and 186 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: landlines were still common. 187 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: The police officers investigators had looked and had seen some 188 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: call IDs that would have come about during the timeframe 189 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: that the murders happened. 190 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: The caller idea on the Delio's phone showed a series 191 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: of calls from pay phones. Detectives wanted to know more 192 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: about these calls, but getting answers wouldn't be easy. 193 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: It was a landline, and because they live in kind 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 4: of an outskirts area, it was a phone company that 195 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: wasn't real cooperative with us. But we were trying to 196 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: track down those calls. 197 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: But there was something else on that phone, A mysterious 198 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: and angry voicemail. 199 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 5: A little spoiled to keep down call. 200 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: Detectives listened as this person rattled off a series of 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: threats to Jill, but just before the thirty second message 202 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: abruptly ended, there was one final threat. 203 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 5: He can understand that. 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: Fuck it. 205 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: It's not easy to hear all of what was said, 206 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: but the caller threadned to murder Jill Delile. So the 207 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: question for police was whose voice was on the other 208 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: end of that call. The answer would lead detectives directly 209 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: into harm's way. On the afternoon of April fourteenth, twenty ten, 210 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: Jill and Helga Delile and their business partner, Peter Wythe 211 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: were murdered in the Delile's home. Sergeant Joe Renault investigated. 212 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: I could tell that it wasn't a robbery immediately. It 213 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: didn't appear that the house was ransacked, it didn't appear 214 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: that the bodies had been rummaged through, and for a 215 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: husband and a wife fal being elderly, it puts an 216 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: exclamation point on on what that killer wanted to do. 217 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: This was a triple murder inside of a home. But 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: the crime scene was surprisingly clean. 219 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: So what we had was the three bodies and evidence 220 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: on the bodies, nine milimeter case things, and a missing 221 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: vehicle that belonged to mister Delile. 222 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: There was also a series of phone calls to the 223 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: Delile's landline. These calls originated from payphones around the time 224 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: of the murders. Plus there was the mysterious voicemailstand. 225 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: He was very angry. He was leaving a message in 226 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: a very threatening voice, and ALTI stated, I will put 227 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: a bullet in your head. 228 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: Detectives learned that the person who left that message was 229 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: the same contractor the Delios had sued, Yes, the same 230 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: contractor who they were to square off against in court 231 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: the day after they were killed. 232 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: He was a business associate, if you will, and his 233 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: name was Geno Ferri. 234 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: Prosecutor Amy Orlando quickly learned that Gino had been a 235 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: thorn in the Delio side for years. 236 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: These people had been through just a nightmare of trying 237 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 4: to protect their business from Gino. He had taken assets, 238 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: he had mismanaged their property. 239 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: Gino owed them money. By the time his tab climbed 240 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: over one million dollars. Ji'll suit him. But Gino filed 241 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: for bankruptcy. 242 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: He had filed bankruptcy fraudulently. And so that morning that 243 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 4: hearing was going to solve it all. It was going 244 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: to end that relationationship once and for all, to the 245 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: detriment of Geno. 246 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: But instead of collecting that money from Gino, the three 247 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: never meet it to court that Thursday because they were 248 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: murdered that previous afternoon. Police found the bodies in the 249 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: Deliles Las Crusis home. 250 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 4: And so it was shocking to everybody. We never had 251 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: a case where three people had been killed, all in 252 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: one home and all at one time. 253 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: When investigators returned to the initial nine on one call, 254 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: the Delials lawyer even mentioned Gino by. 255 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: Name, subjects that they're afraid of a guy named Ferry Fbrri. 256 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 5: The first name is Geno. 257 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Okay, another they ever expressed any. 258 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, all the time. Yeah, we were concerned. We 259 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 5: talked about it a number time. 260 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: He tended to act like a bully. Gino fancied himself 261 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: what we believed to be kind of a big, scary person. 262 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: So it's pretty obvious what's going on here. Gino was 263 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: behind these more and he wasn't afraid. On top of that, 264 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: no one was really sure what Gino did for a 265 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: living other than run his mouth. 266 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: He just seemed to be one of those people that 267 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: tried to have his fingers in a lot of different 268 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: people's business. He never really owned anything or really did 269 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: anything successful in his own right. He just always was 270 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: like trying to make the next dollar, in other words, 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: a scam artist, a connartist. 272 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Sergeant Joe Renault took a closer look into Gino Ferry's 273 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: past and found numerous front charges. 274 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: We started to piece together as modus opera, and I 275 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: of how he got investors to give him money. He 276 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: would ask for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from 277 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: this guy to buy this apartment complex, and then I promise, 278 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: I'll remodel it and it'll be a fifty percent additional 279 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: return on your investments. And then when this guy that 280 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: loaned on the money started yelling, then he'd go out 281 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: and find another investor to do the same thing, but 282 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: he'd take that investor's money to pay back that investor. 283 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: If the investors struck a chord with Gino, as far 284 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: as them threatening to sue him, you don't want to me, 285 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: you don't want to screw with me. And he had 286 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: a very threatening demeanor, and investors were convinced that he 287 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: might do something to them and they would back off. 288 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: So there were very few people who risked any civil 289 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: action against Gina. 290 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: So we know that Gino threatened the Delios, but could 291 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: detectives prove Gino was responsible for their murders. 292 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: We had what I would classify as very little evidence. 293 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: It was circumstantial pointing to Gino. 294 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: When Sergeant Renault questioned Gino at his home, a few 295 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: things stood out. 296 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,119 Speaker 3: He portrayed himself as being a soprano, He was Italian, 297 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: he wore a gold necklace, he wore a gold medallion, 298 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: and his shorts were always unbuttoned down to mid chest, 299 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: and he had a hairy chest. He just he tried 300 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: to portray himself as as you know, don't screws me. 301 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: And his cell phone even had a ring back tone 302 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 3: which was the Sopranos theme song. 303 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: And all of this would be laughable for a lot 304 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: of people, but but Gino, it was terrifying. 305 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: He wasn't your typical suspect. I don't care. Do it 306 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: come to my house? I don't care. 307 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: Sergeant Renaut asked him if he had anything to do 308 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: with Jill Delio's murder. 309 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: Basically says, yeah, I didn't like Musker, but I wasn't there. 310 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: It wasn't me. I can prove where I was. I 311 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 3: was an Alpasso and I was at the gym. I 312 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 3: have receipts. He said he was at the gym at 313 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: nine o'clock in the morning, and that turned out to 314 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: be false because he had to use a key card 315 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: to check in and they had no record of him 316 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: checking in. 317 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: Gino also claimed that he took his girlfriend's shopping at 318 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: an outlet mall in El Paso. 319 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: We confirmed that he was an Alpasso, but he was 320 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: back in town at about four o'clock four fifteen, the 321 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: four thirty eighth. 322 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Keep in mind the police leave. The murders took place 323 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: that afternoon between four thirty and six thirty pm. 324 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: He said, Yeah, I got back into town after some 325 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: shopping with my girlfriend and my shoulder was hurting, and 326 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: I took a biket and I laid down for a 327 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: couple hours, and to me, that was a red flag. 328 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: To me, that was okay. He just gave us the 329 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: time span in which we believe the homicides could have occurred. 330 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: That evening. Gino said he went to a friend's house 331 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: that got gas, dinner, and groceries before heading back to 332 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: his mother's house. 333 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: Whenever suspect gives me an alibi of a certain time 334 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: period that is impossible to confirm. In other words, I 335 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: was by myself and I was asleep, or I was 336 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: driving in the middle of the desert for two hours 337 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: and it can't be confirmed. That's that's a red flag 338 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: to me. And I put my pen down, and I 339 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: looked and straight in the eye, and I said, did 340 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: you kill those three people? For a guy who always 341 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: had an immediate response, he did not. This time took 342 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: come about ten seconds. 343 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: No, I didn't have anything do with that. 344 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: You know that you're wasting your time. 345 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: Detectives question family, friends and anyone with a motive. But 346 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: all Rhodes kept leading back to Gino Ferry, who seemed 347 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: to almost dare investigators to prove he did it. 348 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: He was cocky. He was extremely cocky. 349 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: On the tenth day after the murders, things took a 350 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: strange turn when the Delia stolen vehicle turned up right 351 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: in front of their eyes. 352 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: The missing car was recovered across the street from the 353 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: Sheriff's department. And that was kind of odd. 354 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: Jill's missing me, some half finder sat in a parking 355 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: lot across the street from the Sheriff's department. It was empty, 356 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: and it had been wipe clean of any fingerprints, leaving 357 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 2: Prosecutor Amy Orlando to wonder if someone was trying to 358 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: send a message. 359 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: It was as if the car was left as like 360 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: to mock law enforcement. Literally you could walk from the 361 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: sheriff's department to where the car was. 362 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: Investigators believed Gino was playing a dangerous game of catch 363 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: me if you can. Jill and how Thea Delia were 364 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: found murdered in their Los Cruces, New Mexico home in 365 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: April twenty ten. Their business associate, Peter Wythe, was also executed. 366 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: I'd lost a good friend friends, so I'm sad about that. 367 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: The loss affected their neighbor, Bob Senecal. 368 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: We had a service forum at the Farm and Ranch Museum. 369 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Heavily attended because they had a lot of friends. But 370 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: one of the tragic parts of that service was that 371 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: Jill's heart was donated by the mother of a girl 372 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: that died in a motorcycle accident, and she was at 373 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the services and it felt like she had lost her 374 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: daughter twice. 375 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: That mother must have been absolutely devastated. As weeks turned 376 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: into months without an arrest, Bob, like many others, lost 377 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: patience with the investigation. 378 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: And I was disturbed because almost a year had passed 379 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: and we've had no results. Nothing has happened. Obviously, the 380 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: Sheriff's department doesn't know what they're doing, and I think 381 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: it's time to turn this over to the federal authorities. 382 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: Bob put his frustration into words and sent a letter 383 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: to the editor of the local loss Crusis newspaper. 384 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound macho. I just I've seen 385 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: too much in the way of death. This was another 386 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: person we were laying to rest, and it was sad. 387 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: Police very quickly said this is not a random event. 388 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: This was a plan killing. 389 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: For Bob, it was a no brainer who the killer was. 390 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: Gino was the culprit, no question, because Gino hated him, 391 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: didn't hate Helga, and I don't think he hated Peter 392 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: that much, but he hated Shield because Jill foiled him 393 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: every time he tried to do something, and I think 394 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: that's what got him killed. 395 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: Prosecutor Amy Orlando didn't publicly name Geno Ferry as their 396 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: main suspect, but that's who they were building their case against. 397 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: It's like we knew who the killer was, but to 398 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 4: prove it, we didn't have any physical evidence. 399 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: Gino claimed to have an alibi, but the police were 400 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: slowly chipping away at it. Their biggest obstacle was the 401 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: local phone company. Police knew three calls came from payphones 402 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: to the Delials house on the day they were murdered, 403 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: but investigators had been waiting for weeks for the phone 404 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 2: company to turn over information about the location of these payphones. 405 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't until the spring of twenty eleven that they 406 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: finally got their answer. The payphones were at a gas 407 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: station about two miles from the Deliles House. 408 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: House, and we went in and asked him if they 409 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: had cameras. 410 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: But Prosecutor Andy Orlando's team did so under the radar. 411 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 4: They tried to do it very inconspicuous because we also 412 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 4: believed that Gino was watching a lot of the police work. 413 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: Think about that the police were the ones looking over 414 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: their shoulders. 415 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: My personal opinion was he was getting like some satisfaction 416 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: after watching us kind of chase our tails. 417 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: When officers showed up at the gas station, they were 418 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: thrilled to find surveillance cameras pointed right at the payphones. 419 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: And so then I get a call later that afternoon 420 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: and they're like we found it, and I'm like what. 421 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: Detectives managed to retrieve footage from the day of the murders, 422 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: which occurred nearly eleven months earlier. 423 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: Luckily we got the cameras before they were raised. 424 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 2: After reviewing hours of footage, the police finally found Geno's vehicle. 425 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: The video showed Gino's silver Lincoln Navigator enter the gas 426 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: station around the same time the phone calls were placed 427 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: to the Delia's house. 428 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: A car pulls up. It has two people in it. 429 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 4: They make a call. They get back in the car, 430 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 4: and it kind of looks like it fits the description 431 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: of Gino. 432 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: There's also someone else driving the car, but that person 433 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: never exited the vehicle. 434 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: The car leaves and heads towards the direction of the victims. 435 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: But there's a problem. The video was grainy and the 436 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: car is parked in the distance where shadows make it 437 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: difficult to see who the two men are. Police kept 438 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: searching the footage and discovered that a little while later, 439 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: another car pulled up and parts near the same payphone, 440 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: but again the phone is far off in the distance, 441 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: making it difficult for police to tell who it was. 442 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 4: The building sits here and it's a ways on the 443 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: whole other side of the parking lot. 444 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: This time there's just one person in the vehicle. He 445 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: got out of the car, made a phone call, and 446 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: then walked towards the convenience store attached to the gas station. 447 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: Comes into the store Buyasa soda we believe to get changed. 448 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: The video from the camera inside the store is much clearer, 449 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: but there's still a problem. 450 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: You can't really make him out completely because he has 451 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: a baseball cap on. 452 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: The white male appears heavyset. He wore blue shorts with 453 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: a red and blue striped shirt. This person wasn't Geno. 454 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: The video shows this unknown man by a soft drink 455 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: and then exit the store. He used the change from 456 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: his purchase to make another phone call from the payphone. 457 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: Seconds later, he hung up, got in his car, and 458 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: drove away. 459 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 4: So now we know that those two calls in the 460 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 4: timeframe from the video matchup to the calls that came 461 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: in on the victim's home. Now we have to find 462 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 4: out who that person is. 463 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: Using Geno Faeri's phone records, the police learned the man 464 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: from the gas station is named Ricky Huckabee. Ricky was 465 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: a convicted felon who served ten years in prison for 466 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: armed robbery. He was in his mid fifties, did odd 467 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: jobs for Gino and even lived in a building that 468 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: Gino's mom wants to owned. When the police searched Ricky's home, 469 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: they found that red and blue striped shirt he wore 470 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: at the gas station, But they also found a gun. 471 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: The problem for Ricky is that federal law prohibits convicted 472 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: felons from possessing a gun. 473 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 4: We bring him in and the investigators talk to him 474 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 4: about how he knows Gino, what's going on with Gino. 475 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: We would like to hear your side of the story. 476 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: Okay, okay. 477 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 6: The way those surveillance videos work, their time stamped. 478 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: You're there. You stopped out there at the. 479 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 6: Phone move and made a phone call. It was made 480 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 6: to the Delao's residence, and you're standing there at the 481 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 6: payphone making it. You don't remember calling over there, don't. 482 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: Oh well you did. 483 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: That's the thing. 484 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: At first, Ricky was on offered it and said he 485 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: didn't remember much. The detectives kept pushing. They pulled out 486 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: copies of Geno's phone records to refresh Ricky's memory. 487 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 6: You know, Gino talked throughout the day. There's about a 488 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 6: two hour or something, that window that he doesn't call anybody, 489 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 6: and there's about a three hour window that you don't 490 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 6: call anybody, but you're there at that pay phone making 491 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 6: a phone call the victim's residence after all this happened. 492 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 6: So I don't know if you helped him out. 493 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: If you got has planned it, and you guys are 494 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: trying to implicate me in something I had nothing to 495 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: do with. 496 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 4: And I would have no part for something like that. 497 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: That's a factor. Well, no blood on my hand. 498 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: Ricky Huckabee denied having anything to do with the murderers, 499 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: but police wondered was he holding back because he was 500 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: afraid of Gino? 501 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: He likes the people to have the fear of him. 502 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 4: It's just too ego, you know. 503 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: After some back and forth and some assurance from law 504 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: enforcement that they protect Ricky and his family, Ricky did 505 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: a one eighty and shared what happened the night of 506 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: the murders. 507 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: So his version was that he got a call from Geno. 508 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 4: Gino tells him I need you to meet me at 509 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: the Rio Grande River. Don't bring a cell phone, and 510 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 4: I need you to meet me here at a certain time. 511 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 4: Mister Huckaby thinks it's a little bit odd, but he 512 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: goes and meets him there. 513 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: Gino gets into Ricky's car and asked Ricky to drive 514 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: him to the Delaios house. Gino then said he wanted 515 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: to try to negotiate with them one more time before 516 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: they went to court. 517 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 4: This is my last meeting time with them, so I 518 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: need you to take me there. 519 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: On the way there, Gino had Ricky stop at a 520 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: gas station to make a phone call. This was captured 521 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: in the surveillance footage. Gino told Ricky he wanted to 522 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: be sure Jill was home, but police believe Gino called 523 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: to make sure that no one was home. There was 524 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: no answer, so Gino hung up the phone and got 525 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: back in the car. 526 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 4: So mister Huckabe drives him there, drops him off. He's 527 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 4: carrying a devil bag and he gets out and he's like, 528 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 4: well you need me, and he goes, no, no, I'll 529 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: get a ride back. Don't worry about it. I'm just 530 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: going to meet him here. This way, they have to 531 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: talk to me, he says, meet me back at the river. 532 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 4: Mister Tugaby goes back to the river and sits. After 533 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: about an hour, he starts to get nervous, and he 534 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: kind of is thinking, well, how is Gino going to 535 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 4: come here? Maybe I should call. 536 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: So Ricky Huckabee drives back to the gas station, where 537 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: surveillance cameras captured Ricky calling the Deliles house again. There's 538 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: no answer, so Ricky drove back to the river and 539 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: waited for Gino. Thirty to forty five minutes past before 540 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: Gino showed up in the Deliles Nissan Pathfiner. 541 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: Mister Hugaby doesn't ask any questions. You know, something probably 542 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 4: isn't great that happened, but he doesn't know that they 543 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: were killed. 544 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: Gino explained that he had to get rid of the 545 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: car and instructed Ricky to follow him. Gino then parked 546 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: the Nissan across the street from the Sheriff's office and 547 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 2: had rick him back to get his vehicle. 548 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 4: He goes into the little restroom there, it's an outhouse 549 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: kind of restroom, and he is still carrying Duffel bag. 550 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: And when he comes back out, duffel bag is gone 551 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: and his clothes were changed. 552 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: Ricky later met Gino at a frozen yogurt stand where 553 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: he shared some shocking details. 554 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: He just convided and it means that he had the 555 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 4: triple home side? 556 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: When did he do that same meeting the same evening? 557 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: Meaning and just. 558 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 6: Did the man first. 559 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: The other guy in the woman? 560 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: Since Gino built the house, he had a key and 561 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: knew the layout, he let himself in, wore a mask 562 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: and gloves and waited for the Delias to arrive, but 563 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: he wasn't expecting Peter Worthe to show up. When Peter arrived, 564 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: Gino chased and shot him in the bathroom. 565 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: What did you shoot him with? 566 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: I think no leader ROUSI or something something like that. 567 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: I know Vader RUSI, I think soon. 568 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: Okay, what made Ricky Huckabee go from saying he didn't 569 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: know anything to writing out Gino? 570 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: We have to tread lightly on trusting him, so we said, well, 571 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: you wear a wire, and he says he will. 572 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: The hope was that Ricky would record Geno confessing to 573 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: the triple murder, but things got off to a rocky start. 574 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: Well every time it just seemed odd to us because 575 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 4: it wouldn't turn on, it would stop, So again we 576 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 4: were a little suspicious of him, like why is it 577 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: not working? 578 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: When the wire finally started working, detectives heard something startling. 579 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: Gino kept telling Ricky Huckaby, I think there's somebody snitching 580 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 3: me out. He knew somebody was giving us information, and 581 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: he told Ricky, I'm gonna kill whoever it is. I'm 582 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: just gonna kill. 583 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: Was Gino sending a message to the police or to Ricky. 584 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: We were getting worried because we were thinking that he 585 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: might be catching on and how's he finding out this information? 586 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: And this is going. 587 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: To get bad With Ricky Huckabee potentially in danger. Detectives 588 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: had to work over time to put Geno Faerry away. 589 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: Gina was just hoted. If you said the wrong thing, 590 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: it pressed a button and the fuse was lit, and 591 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: so we had to commence the DA We've got chargist guy. 592 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 3: He's too dangerous. 593 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: But Gina wasn't going down without a fight. 594 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 5: He was going to make us pay. 595 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 4: He's going to make our families pay. 596 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: And the battle turned into a full out war. 597 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: We had to have the bomb dogs come. We had 598 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 4: snipers on the roof. In my career, I've never seen 599 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: anything like it. 600 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: All of which would push the people of Las Cruces 601 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: to their limits. 602 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: Nerve wrecking, very nerve wrecking. 603 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: This was not your typical game of canon Mouse. Keep 604 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: in mind police were contending with a cold hearted, cold 605 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: blooded murderer. Here are the links law enforcement had to 606 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: go to in order to put Geno Ferry behind bars. 607 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: That's next time on American Homicide. 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