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Speaker 1: Well, I'm Buzznight.

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Speaker 2: I'm the host of the Taken a Walk podcast and

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Speaker 2: we love taking a look at the week in music history.

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Speaker 2: And we'll go to the music history desk to my

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Speaker 2: main man, Harry Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Harry.

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Speaker 3: Hi, buzz, good to good to see you. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me, not firing me after week one.

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Speaker 2: You did a fabulous job. All the reviews are pouring in,

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Speaker 2: so let's give it another whirl here. So this is

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Speaker 2: the week of November the twenty fifth, right.

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Speaker 1: It's correct, that's correct. Goings on, a lot of goings on.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start where you and I have a favorite,

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Speaker 3: and that's Bruce Springsteen. Big week for Bruce Springsteen. This

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Speaker 3: is the this is the week. This is the album

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Speaker 3: that changed everything for our man, Bruce. Nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: November twenty fifth is the release of studio album seven,

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Speaker 3: Born in the USA, A Monster.

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget it because I was fortunate during that time.

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Speaker 2: I was working in Connecticut at I ninety five there

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Speaker 2: during the week, but that's when I also had started

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Speaker 2: my run at WNWFM, the place, the place where rock

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Speaker 2: libs Harry and Boy was at an event at any WFM.

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Speaker 2: When that album came out, we were wall to wall

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Speaker 2: Bruce and we made a big deal about it, and

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Speaker 3: That's an album when you think about albums that you

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Speaker 3: you know, you might take with you on a desert island.

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Speaker 3: Go okay, I could listen to this to me minus

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Speaker 3: cover Me. That album had. Everything is perfect on that album.

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Speaker 3: Cover Me always drove me crazy because it was a

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Speaker 4: I never warmed up to cover Me. What's your other

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know Darlington for sure, working on the Highway.

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Speaker 3: You know, I loved Born in the USA. But I

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Speaker 3: think I'm resentful about that song to some degree for

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Speaker 3: the same reason maybe that he is.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Ronald Reagan co opted it famously.

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Speaker 3: Everyone looks at that song as this patriotic song, and

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Speaker 1: It's about how awful our country treated our veterans.

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Speaker 3: Right, there's nothing there's no reason to pound your you know,

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Speaker 1: I get the real fans understand that, right, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: misunderstood for sure. Yeah. My favorite I think is Bobby Jean.

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Speaker 3: He still hasn't answered the question whether Bobby jan was

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Speaker 1: Right do you know the answer to that question. I

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Speaker 3: Born in the USA on this week in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: This is the week that Led Zeppelin performed as a

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Speaker 3: It was, you know, nineteen eighty I believe when you

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Speaker 3: know when Bonham you know, passed away. But the last

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Speaker 3: live show November twenty sixth, and it was at the

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see them? No, I never did, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I bet it would have been amazing to have seen them.

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Speaker 2: I know people who saw him at Madison Square Garden

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Speaker 2: But never had the opportunity saw Robert Plant when he

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Speaker 3: He's singing some LEDs up on songs. They're just it's

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Speaker 3: a very different tempo. He sings Black Dog and he

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Speaker 3: and it's I don't want to say it's a lounge version,

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Speaker 3: I do have a very quick funny story about Robert

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Speaker 3: Was within a short amount of time that they had

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Speaker 2: You know, last thing on Robert plant I classify him

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Speaker 3: You know, oh yeah, yeah, Knefler is looks fantastic. He's

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Speaker 3: a very interesting cat, you know, arguably, you know, for

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Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting guy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he wants nothing to do with Dire Straits.

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Speaker 3: This is the week in nineteen seventy six that the

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Speaker 1: And this is an interesting thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's an you know, we have

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, actually, truths be told.

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Speaker 2: I got it for free and got him to do

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I knew which studio it was, and.

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Speaker 2: I literally took a shot you talk about blind shots

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Speaker 2: I faxed over something saying, please get this to Robbie Robertson.

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Speaker 4: It was a page of.

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Speaker 4: And lo and behold. I think the way I ended

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Speaker 2: Out that he did that page of IDs is when

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't know, Robbie Robertson has this deep

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Speaker 3: and had this deep and very malifluous voice, raspy. He

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Speaker 2: But I was a big fan of the band, certainly

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Speaker 2: of course the concert that you're referring to was captured

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Speaker 2: by Martin Scorsese as one of the great concert films.

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Speaker 4: The interesting backdrop to all that.

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Speaker 2: Is that really we didn't know then that the band

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Speaker 2: Levon was very upset at this thing being put together,

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Speaker 2: felt that Robbie had really kind of, you know, kind

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Speaker 2: a bit over putting that show together. But you talk

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Speaker 2: about some remarkable performances at that At that show, of course,

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Speaker 2: great watch. And were you at ZLX when we had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to ask you, I said, I

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Speaker 1: I remember. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, what I remember is various members of

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Speaker 1: Because Levon wouldn't have it any other way.

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Speaker 2: In other words, I think that's that's the legacy that

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's exactly what I was thinking about.

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Speaker 2: You know what was amazing though about that show, Harry,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, but he still played great. And the dude

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Speaker 1: It's a tree.

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Speaker 3: It was a treat to hear that music, to hear,

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Speaker 3: you know, to hear the remaining people play that together.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, that's what happens, right, we're getting older,

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Speaker 3: there's going to be remnants of these bands. This is

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Speaker 3: the week that George Harrison released All Things Must Pass.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, brilliant, a masterpiece I think to this day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you're familiar with that song run of

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Speaker 4: That's a good deep track to check out.

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Speaker 1: You know there's another very underrated guitar player.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, there there's a There was a

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Speaker 3: tribute to George Harrison that was attended by you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you ever see that?

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Speaker 2: And you know why you can't you can do that

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