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Speaker 1: Yesterday and today our theater's been jammed with newspapermen and

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Speaker 1: hundreds of the Doctor model of the nation. And these

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Speaker 1: veterans agree with me. But the city never has witnessed

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Speaker 1: the excitement stirred by these junksters from Liverpool who call

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Speaker 1: themselves a beatle. And now to night you're gonna twice

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Speaker 1: be entertained by them. Right now and again on the

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Speaker 1: second half our show, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Ron an Inians, Now, I need somebody, not just anybody,

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Speaker 2: you know, I need someone.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to go with the obvious. Sometimes you

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Speaker 3: have to go with you know, what could this be?

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Speaker 3: And keep it simple. Not all cables are the same.

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Speaker 3: They may look the same, obviously, they may be colored

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Speaker 3: the same, but they don't have the same capability. The

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Speaker 3: car Doctor, I know of no condition that will cause

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Speaker 3: what you're describing? Is it there now? Is the fault

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Speaker 3: there now? And are those two codes in the system now? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 3: If you clear those codes, how fast.

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Speaker 4: Do they come back?

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Speaker 5: Almost immediately?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's diagnose the two codes.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics.

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Speaker 2: Giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and

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Speaker 2: call in the garage doors.

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Speaker 3: Car open, but I am here to take your calls

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Speaker 3: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred and now.

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Speaker 1: Here's an amazing act. Here's a tremendous act. Here's a

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Speaker 1: startling act, the amazing, the thrilling, the greatest, spectacular, incredible, exciting,

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Speaker 1: wonderful world of fame, the most unusual novel acty running.

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Speaker 3: When did changing the battery become so complicated? It did?

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Speaker 3: This week? I saw it. I've been reading about this

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Speaker 3: because you, as you must guess, and as you must know,

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Speaker 3: I tend to read a lot, and I knew we

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Speaker 3: were going to run into one of these, and sure

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Speaker 3: enough we saw it. And I think part of the

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Speaker 3: reason is because of the fact that it's got two

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Speaker 3: types of inject or two different sets of injectors. It's

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Speaker 3: one of those cars. It was a twenty twenty Lexus

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Speaker 3: ES three point fifty, and it needed a battery. Battery

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Speaker 3: was five years old and it was starting to fail.

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Speaker 3: So we put a battery in it and newer cars,

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Speaker 3: because I couldn't understand why this one had a specific

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Speaker 3: battery disconnect. Let me back up a second. I couldn't

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Speaker 3: understand why they were they were so adamant about doing

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Speaker 3: this battery disconnect reconnect, you know in terms of you know,

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Speaker 3: operational replacement and so on and so forth. But they

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Speaker 3: want they want you to go through this battery disconnect

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Speaker 3: reset procedure, and we did that after we did the

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Speaker 3: battery replacement. It was just it was a pure maintenance battery.

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Speaker 3: The battery was starting to crank slow. It failed to

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Speaker 3: load test. It was real obvious. I mean, of course

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Speaker 3: we did our due diligence. Danny went through his draw test.

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Speaker 3: There was no draw in the car. You know, the

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Speaker 3: charging system was fine. You know, you do everything you're

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Speaker 3: supposed to do, and you know you do that partly

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Speaker 3: because you just want to make sure you're not missing something.

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Speaker 3: And you're also doing that because could you imagine waiting

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Speaker 3: until you had a charging system problem. And maybe it's

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Speaker 3: a bad example, but you wait until you have a

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Speaker 3: system tester and you go through that procedure. If you

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Speaker 3: do the same test over and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: You get to know what the numbers are supposed to

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Speaker 3: look like, whether you're testing a charging system, whether you're

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Speaker 3: looking at mass airflow in Graham's per second across the

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Speaker 3: sensor at idle on a warm engine, whether you're looking

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Speaker 3: at fuel trum, and so on. Get to know your numbers,

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Speaker 3: when the car is bad. Regardless. So charging system was fine,

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Speaker 3: battery filled, the load test, had no draw, did the

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Speaker 3: battery disconnect procedure? Sent the car down the lane, down

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Speaker 3: the road off of coast Wednesday, I got a phone call. Hey,

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Speaker 3: the check engine lights on, and like typical Japanese cars,

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Speaker 3: like a Christmas tree. The abs brakes were on, check

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Speaker 3: odd and you know, no darts being thrown. No, hey, ever,

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Speaker 3: since you did a battery just I woke up on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: I've got this car. That's that's it looks like every

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Speaker 3: light on the car is on. So we went through

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Speaker 3: our due diligence. We looked at check engine light. Check

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Speaker 3: you what, nothing aggravates a car more than a check

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Speaker 3: engine light. You always look at that first, and we did,

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Speaker 3: and sure enough, we found lean fault codes P zero

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Speaker 3: one seven one, P zero one seven four, if memory

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Speaker 3: serves me correct. And we looked at fuel trim, short

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Speaker 3: term fuel trim. We've had this conversation, you and I right,

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Speaker 3: we talked about fuel trim. If zero is a balanced

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Speaker 3: the right balance of oxygen to combustible gasoline, then this

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Speaker 3: car was at negative thirty five percent. It was negative

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Speaker 3: thirty five percent on bank one, it was positive thirty

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Speaker 3: it was exact opposites. This car was so confused, and

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Speaker 3: I you know, I looked at Danny and I said,

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Speaker 3: do we have to start checking fuel trim every time

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Speaker 3: Is it going to come to this? Are we going

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Speaker 3: to have to be more aware of where fuel trims

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Speaker 3: are for potential problems? Because I was aware of the

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Speaker 3: battery disconnecting, the reset procedure and what they want you

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Speaker 3: to do, and how fuel trims can get skewed, but

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Speaker 3: not to this extent. This car didn't know whether it

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Speaker 3: I always say, listen, you've got to trace the steps back.

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Speaker 3: You've got to go through the process and the conversation

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Speaker 3: with the customer and say, you know, what did you

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Speaker 3: do between Monday and Wednesday? And you know, we talked

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Speaker 3: did this, We did this, We stopped here, we did that.

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Speaker 3: We had hot dogs. I didn't need to know what

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Speaker 3: hot do I think I had hot dogs Tuesday night,

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Speaker 3: I think that made me want a hot dog. And

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Speaker 3: we went to this no name gas station to get fuel. Ah,

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Speaker 3: you know, more and more lately, and you've heard me

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Speaker 3: I think I've seen in the last couple of months.

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Speaker 3: We start to see lean fault codes and we're doing

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Speaker 3: ethanol tests, we're checking ethanol content, we're looking at fuel samples,

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Speaker 3: and it's become part of my diagnostic routine. It has

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Speaker 3: been for a while, but boy, I'm doing it more

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Speaker 3: not something I'm going to do. If I get a

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Speaker 3: P zero one thirty five bad oxygen sensor on something,

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Speaker 3: I'm not as inclined to maybe do a fuel sit

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Speaker 3: some tests before you get a lean fault code or

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Speaker 3: a fuel rich condition or fuel lean condition. You know, performance,

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Speaker 3: you're looking at fuel, you're looking at fuel quality. Took

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Speaker 3: the fuel sample, which you know, it's kind of funny

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Speaker 3: There's a set of direct injectors. Gasoline direct injection where

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Speaker 3: been doing this for a while. I think there's a

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Speaker 3: Lexus Toyota seems to be the biggie. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's part of the reason why the fuel trim gets

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Speaker 3: an E It was like an E seven. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: terribly high in ethanol content, but it wasn't exactly what

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Speaker 3: It just seemed to be murk. Gasoline's supposed to be

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Speaker 3: It was just murky. You couldn't see through it. It had

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Speaker 3: you know, the density of the or the clarity of

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Speaker 3: as of this broadcast, light hasn't come back on, and

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Speaker 3: I believe that's because she ran it down and refilled

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Speaker 3: it right away on Thursday, and the car's been good.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you've got to watch where you're buying fuel.

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Speaker 3: You've got to stop and remember how you're buying fuel.

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Speaker 3: You know that that Nicolai, you might be saving a

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Speaker 3: taking care of their tanks, what's the likelihood of their

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Speaker 3: fuel quality being okay? And there is a value in

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Speaker 3: being consistent with fuel purchases. Now I realize, you know,

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Speaker 3: but you know that's just me. But you can. You

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Speaker 3: just got to sort of think about it because and

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Speaker 3: Sue admitted it to me. She said, you know, I

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Speaker 3: get what you want at Alice's restaurant, right, It just

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Speaker 3: doesn't work out that way. So in the end, Number

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Speaker 3: one the walk away here is battery replacement's gotten more involved.

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Speaker 3: There are battery resets and vehicle resets to be performed

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Speaker 3: when batteries are replaced. There are concerns about fuel quality

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Speaker 3: more than ever. I'm just telling you it's a growing trend.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing it more and more. Maybe it's a new

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Speaker 3: the country from everything I'm reading. And you've just got

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Speaker 3: to be aware that replacing a battery may not be

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Speaker 3: in the long run, because cars aren't getting any easier

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Speaker 3: to solve and their problems eight five five five six

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Speaker 3: out nine nine zero zero running in in the car doctor,

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Speaker 3: we're cruising back right after this. Don't go away.

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Speaker 6: You need advice on how to maintain that classic gt O.

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Speaker 6: Ron is the guy eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 3: Here's Ron, And what a glorious weekend it is sitting

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Speaker 3: here drinking tea from my running in in the car doctor.

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Speaker 3: Is that a right? Is tom? Am I allowed to

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Speaker 3: do that? I'm drinking a cup of tea here with

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Speaker 3: my ronning in in the car doctor coffee cup?

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Speaker 5: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that legit?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 7: If I had the mug here in front of me,

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Speaker 7: I'd probably get heart burned. Your face is not a

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Speaker 7: is it?

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Speaker 3: No? No, not at all?

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Speaker 3: Does have ronisms on it. It does have but those

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Speaker 3: card doctorshow dot com? Is that? Is that a? Is

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Speaker 3: that a? That? That's I'm allowed to plug that, aren't I?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: What the heck? I think my name's on the show exactly? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: You're the man, well, you know the myth, the legend.

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Speaker 3: And the myth the legend, you know, lost in the sauce.

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Speaker 3: Somebody somebody asked me this week, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: it is because I'm still getting emails. Hey, you ever

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Speaker 3: gonna do T shirts? Hats? Mugs. Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 3: It's up for two months. Go to card doctorshow dot com.

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Speaker 3: There's a merchandise button, you know, to your heart's content.

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Speaker 3: I just thought, I don't know, maybe the radio waves

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Speaker 4: Might.

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Speaker 7: But you know, those are good T shirts.

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Speaker 3: They're very good T shirt well, and in all seriousness,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. Coffee cups up at cardoctorshow dot com

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Speaker 3: let's go to Ken and Vermont Ken twenty fourteen GMCC era.

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Speaker 3: What's going on with this truck?

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Speaker 4: Ken?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the car doctor, sir, How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon on Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 5: This is kind of an odd problem. It started late

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Speaker 5: it does that, it resets to zero the date and

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Speaker 5: to be okay. I mean, it does this maybe one

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Speaker 5: and four years old. It's sitting at about anywhere from

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Speaker 5: twelve to four to twelve six with nothing on it, okay,

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Speaker 5: you know, just sitting aisle. It doesn't drop blow like

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Speaker 3: You know, I got to tell you it's funny. Right

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Speaker 3: under ten vaults, I get things can get a little wonky.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to say that that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You have to solve. But I just want you to

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Speaker 3: get under ten vaults, certain computers get voltage sensitive and

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Speaker 3: they will start to do goofy things. But clock reset,

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Speaker 3: you know, I would also doesn't Yeah, that doesn't originate

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Speaker 3: you know, I would pay attention to long term. Long

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Speaker 3: that problem happens, go back and look at fuel trim.

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Speaker 3: Did the fuel trim numbers reset? In other words, have

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Speaker 3: the learned values changed? Meaning it's losing a power input

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Speaker 3: somewhere along the way to PCM b CM, you know,

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Speaker 3: the vehicle itself. That's what I think is, That's what

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Speaker 3: I think is going on here. Now you're in Vermont.

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Speaker 3: Lots of corrosion, right, high salt state, right, So you

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Speaker 3: know how good is that? How good is the ground? All?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Is the ground? Does the ground need to be cleaned?

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Speaker 3: And I don't mean just looking at it. I you know,

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Speaker 3: code it, put a dab of yellow grease on it

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Speaker 3: to help protect it, and put it back on. That's done.

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Speaker 3: The fact that it's been going on since the summer

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Speaker 3: or last summer. I don't think this is the problem.

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Speaker 3: But here's here's a neat thing about a GM product.

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Speaker 3: This is a V six or a V eight Ken eight.

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Speaker 3: So you should have if you were to look at

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Speaker 3: an ethanol PID. It will tell you ethanol content, all right,

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Speaker 3: Not everyone has it, but I think you will. And

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Speaker 3: is not a this is not a flex fuel vehicle, right,

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Speaker 3: This is just a regular E fifty, right, it is

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Speaker 3: Is it E fifty? Is it E five? Is it

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Speaker 3: I would compare that ethanol percentage. I would pull a

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Speaker 3: come up with E eighty, great, I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 3: If the value says E eighty five and you come

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Speaker 3: up with E forty, the vehicle's confused and there's a

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Speaker 3: bad tank of fuel. I don't think that's I don't

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Speaker 3: mention it. You know, it's it's it's on my mind lately.

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Speaker 3: I'm just seeing a lot of problems with fuel because

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Speaker 3: there's no rule that says this is more than one

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Speaker 3: be more than one thing. Okay, simple, simple thing you

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: But it's just a basic one. That's okay.

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Speaker 3: I just it's a real simple test. The next time

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Speaker 3: turn the key on, don't start the truck on a

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Speaker 3: cold morning. Look at intake air temp sensor, Look at

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Speaker 3: coolant temp sensor. They should be within five degrees of

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Speaker 3: the fuzzy edge. But if you start to do this

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Speaker 3: often enough, you're gonna start to realize what the trend

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Speaker 3: If it's sat out there for an eight hour or so,

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Speaker 3: Sometimes there are Sometimes they're within two degrees of each other.

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Speaker 3: And that's a real simple test you can do, all right.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't take a lot. I'll tell you what, ken

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Speaker 3: sit tight. I'm gonna hold you over because there's more

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about with you, So don't go away.

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Speaker 3: I'm running any in the car doctor, we're talking to

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Speaker 3: Ken up and Vermont about his heart start in twenty

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Speaker 3: fourteen g SE Sierra and we'll both return right after this.

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Speaker 3: Don't go away, Welcome back running in the car doctor

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Speaker 3: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Ken and Vermont. Ken, you're still there,

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Speaker 3: sir fourteen GMC Sierra. Heart starts sometimes called doesn't do

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Speaker 3: it all the time, though, does it? Ken?

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Speaker 5: It does not?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 5: Is it a hard difference of it's cold or warm?

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter, is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it a hard start all the time? Or just

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Speaker 3: and I went to start, I just got in a

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Speaker 3: crank the key, would it start right up, like you know,

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Speaker 3: within three seconds? Four seconds.

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Speaker 5: Easily?

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Speaker 3: Okay? And then it's just that one time we're looking

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Speaker 3: turn the key, nothing happens, okay.

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Speaker 5: So like a delay. It's almost like a delay, right, and.

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Speaker 3: Then when it does come up, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: See, you're losing you're losing power somewhere all right, and

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Speaker 3: there's no trouble codes. You're not getting a P zero

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Speaker 3: I guess that's fair answer. You know, if you look

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Speaker 3: anything like that. Nope, Okay, you know where I would go.

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Speaker 3: There's there's two places I want to go, all right.

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Speaker 3: On top of the left front shock tower, there's an

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Speaker 3: there's a dark green white wire there which runs between

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Speaker 3: the ECM and the fuel pump control module. It gets

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Speaker 3: it gets corroded, it's a known corrosion spot, that connector.

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Speaker 3: All right, I would I would take a look at that,

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Speaker 3: pull that connector apart, make sure it's clean, make sure

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Speaker 3: there's you know, nothing bad happening, it's not growing anything,

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Speaker 3: and put it back together. Maybe a little dielectric grease

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Speaker 3: around it, because it's a known defect, a known issue.

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Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna go and find Then I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: take a look at a wiring diagram for the ignition switch,

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Speaker 3: and I would find there's I believe two powers coming

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Speaker 3: on that wire. The fact that this happens so at random,

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Speaker 3: you can't take it anywhere, so you sort of have

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Speaker 3: to take the mechanic with you. Agreed, So either we're

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Speaker 3: inbound side. Everything runs through the ignition switch, main power everything.

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Speaker 3: Ignition relay runs everything through the ignition switch. And I

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Speaker 3: would like to see either power coming in, power going out,

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Speaker 3: or both. And it's going to take a little bit

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Speaker 3: of work for somebody to tap into the wiring harness,

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Speaker 3: and I've gone so far as I will put two

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Speaker 3: different colored bulbs. Power in is the white bulb, power

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Speaker 3: out is the amber tinted bulb, and then when the

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Speaker 3: both bulbs lit. I usually get an answer of one

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00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: or the other, not both, and that tells me I've

435
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: either got a problem. If I have a problem where

436
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't see any power coming into the ignition switch,

437
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: that tells me the problem is that way. If I

438
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 3: have power coming into the ignition switch but nothing coming out,

439
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 3: that tells me it's a bad ignition switch. Makes it

440
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 3: makes sense. I didn't say it was going to be easy.

441
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: I just said, you know, here's some ideas, right, And

442
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: of course I'm going to look the truck over for

443
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: just general state. You know, like I said, does it

444
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 3: look like it's been out in harsh weather? You know,

445
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 3: I know Vermont's a problem, but I'm going to look

446
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: through connectors. I'm going to voltage drop the ground side.

447
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to voltage drop. I don't think this is

448
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 3: going to be a positive battery cable issue. Going down

449
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: to the starter, I'm surely going to look at the

450
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: starter connections, how corroded are they, how oxidized are they?

451
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: It's eleven years old now, and go through connections. You know,

452
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: I'm also going to look at grounds, particularly around anything

453
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: around the back of the firewall, at the back of

454
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: the engine block, top of the bell housing, all known

455
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 3: potential problems. You know, this is one of those trucks

456
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: that somebody's got to sit down and just you got

457
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: to go through it connector by connector by connector, because

458
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: it's so erratic and so it's so rare. Right, Yeah,

459
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 3: you know, you know, why did you start cycling the

460
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 3: fuel pump the way you did?

461
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 5: I just usually am just in the habit of turning

462
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 5: the key until I hear it run and stop, and

463
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 5: then I started.

464
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 3: Stop doing that, just to yes, stop doing that. Let's

465
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: see if it starts, you know, if you just turn

466
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: it all the way and crank, because that's the way

467
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: GM designed it. You know, I'd be curious if you

468
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: could catch this in failure the next time, and I'll

469
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: leave it here, if you could catch this in failure

470
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: the next time when you turn the key and nothing happens.

471
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: When you turn the key, nothing happens. You get no dashlights, nothing.

472
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do you get dash lights?

473
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 3: Okay, it's just just it won't crank correct, Okay. I

474
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: want to know what the ignition switch is doing, and

475
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: I want to take a hard look down at the starter.

476
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: All right, but I want you to you know what

477
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: I mean when I say wiggle the key, just give

478
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 3: it a lit little bit of a twist. Does that

479
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: do anything? Is there any sort of lateral movement in

480
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: the key that you can rotate it just a touch further?

481
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: How many miles are on this truck?

482
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 5: About sixty?

483
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot. Probably not key cycle related. This

484
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: strikes me more like a corrosion or environmental sort of

485
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: an issue. This truck sits a lot. It went less

486
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: than five thousand miles a year. Yeah yeah, so all right,

487
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: go do those things. Go, chase those things down. I'm

488
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: always here more if you want to talk.

489
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: Thank you much.

490
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: You're welcome, sir. Good luck to you. Let's let's wander

491
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: over and talk to John and Florida. John, what are

492
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: you bringing me today? Run an Indian at your service?

493
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 7: Sir?

494
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: How can I help?

495
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: Hey, we're not about working on my vehicles. I listened

496
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: to your program.

497
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. What's going on?

498
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Well, I've got I'm an old car guy. I'm still

499
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 4: getting out into the analog age. I've got a sixty

500
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: six C ten with a big block in it, eighty

501
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 4: Sonbird V eight in it, and those are my toys.

502
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 4: But I just picked up a couple of months ago

503
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 4: a eighty nine Camaro five Speed forty thousand miles. The

504
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 4: lady just parked it when it overheated. So I took

505
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 4: it apart, cracked head, put it back together. Everything looked

506
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 4: pretty good, right, But when I run it, it's the

507
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: EGR valve as the hose is on it, it won't

508
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: run at all. Hardly. I take out the hose on

509
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: the eg OUR valve, plug it up and it runs good.

510
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So right off the bed, I can tell you

511
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: you should have ported vacuum going to that EGR verify

512
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: you've got the vacuum hoses routed right, you should not.

513
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: You should not have apply vacuum to any EGR valve

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: when the vehicle's at idle. So just started up. Put

515
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: an EGR valve, put it. Put a vacuum gates to

516
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: the to the hose that you think is applyed for

517
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: eg R. Do you show vacuum there? If you show

518
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: vacuum there, you've either got the wrong hose on it

519
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: or something the control ole side of the e g R.

520
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,239
Speaker 3: Because in eighty nine they ran, I believe does this

521
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: have the switches in the thermostat housing up up front

522
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: with the vacuum tree. Yeahs, so something air is probably

523
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: mislabeled or miswired. It's you know, let's face it, eighty nine.

524
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: It was yeah, forty years ago. Uh you know, yeah, Well.

525
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: Like I say, analog to me, but I did take

526
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: pictures of everything right before I took them apart, right.

527
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: So either that or something is stuck, you know, and

528
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: if memory shows me right, those those thermostatic switches would

529
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: get stuck in different positions when they were shut off

530
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: and they sat for a while. So if this sat

531
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: for any length of time, forty thousand mile car, it

532
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: didn't go. It didn't go one thousand miles a year. Right? Uh?

533
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, she never drove it hard overeating right?

534
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: That was head right?

535
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: Is this is this a five leader job? John? Is

536
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: this a five leader?

537
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

538
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: That's a small V six.

539
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, good Second question, Second question, John?

540
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: Oh uh the computer I had I put another computer

541
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: to try something different out and the tech reads three

542
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 4: times a normal IDOL speed. Is that something in that

543
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: handlogged computer?

544
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what. Sit tight, don't go a wait,

545
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: let me pull over, take the pause. We'll come back

546
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: and pick that up right where we left off. I'm

547
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: running any in the car. Doctor. We'll be back with

548
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: John and Florida. And it's three times attack problem on

549
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: his Camaro. Right after this, don't go away. I came

550
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: the first resisting.

551
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 7: Out the five and.

552
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 6: In the figures the.

553
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: Summer of sixteen speed and we are rolling along this hour.

554
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: Let's go over back to John. I'm sorry, John, and Florida,

555
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: John eighty nine Camaro. We've got an idol problem.

556
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, well, well we got a problem if it's attack. Okay,

557
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: it reads three times the original real and that's.

558
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 3: And that's and that's my first question. If you were

559
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: to look at if you were looking at RPM by

560
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: whatever means, you know, portable tac look at it on

561
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: a scan tool. If you've got this has OBD one.

562
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: If you were to look at RPM, does RPM report correctly?

563
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: It's just that the tack reads wrong.

564
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: Oh well, the tack reads wrong.

565
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: Okay, but the engine is idling at its correct speed, right, Okay.

566
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: When you swapped the computer, all right, was it the

567
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: same part number?

568
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, same part number. I have an I Rock too,

569
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: and the computer has the same number. I used to

570
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: pick those things up with the Junkyard for five bucks each,

571
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: right years ago.

572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: Well, well, why does an IRAQ computer and a V

573
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: six Camaro computer have the same part number different memcals?

574
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Did you swap the memcau which you would you would

575
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: have to?

576
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought I had a V eight one in

577
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 4: the sixth cylinder.

578
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: Well that's my question. You're telling me that you've got

579
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: a V eight is the part number of the comary.

580
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: Is the part number of the computer you put in

581
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: the same as the V six one that you took out?

582
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: Yes, okay.

583
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: Did the car run before you took this all apart?

584
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: Yes?

585
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah perfect.

586
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: Did the tack read normal?

587
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 5: Uh?

588
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 4: Yeah? When it had the other computer and that was

589
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: it seemed to be like it was bad?

590
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: All right? So what made you change the computer?

591
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: Well, the car won't start. It was running really bad

592
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: and tough, and uh I put the other computer and

593
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: that ran good except for the tack.

594
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: But I thought I thought it ran on the other computer.

595
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: Yes, it did not very good though.

596
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Okay, and the tack read correctly?

597
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: Yes, all right.

598
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: It it's something with that computer then, John, either the

599
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: Now did you did you swap memcals?

600
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: No?

601
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: All right? Do you know what the memcal is? It's okay.

602
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 3: If you don't, I'll explain it, all right. If you

603
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: look at if you look at those computers, there should

604
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: be a side port. I believe in eighty nine that

605
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: was it's a silver computer, correct, right, right? If you

606
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: know how, they have an access cover, right, lift that

607
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: take that access cover off. There's a chip in there.

608
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: There's actually two chips. If memory serves me right, okay,

609
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: and those chips so, and that's how they got away

610
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: with it, right, because you said to me, the part

611
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: number for the V eight computer car is or sorry

612
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: for the V eight car is the same as the

613
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: V six car. Correct. The part number of the computer

614
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 3: is the same, but the memcal or the memory stick

615
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: was different. That's what carried the personality of the vehicle,

616
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: so to speak, so that that memcal has to be

617
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: switched over. You have to take the V six memcal

618
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: and put it in the new computer. And there was

619
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: another there was a prom id there was a second

620
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: chip and it'll be right next to the memcal. And

621
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: they were like these special hook tools that we used.

622
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: I remember it. I think I still have them. I

623
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: think they're in the top left corner of my toolbox

624
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: to pull them out and then recede them and obviously

625
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: be delicate. It's you know, we're dealing with tiny computer

626
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: pins and such. I believe the memcal was in a

627
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: plastic carrier, so to speak, so that you could pull

628
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 3: it out with the carrier, and then the other one

629
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: required the use of the chip. But if you didn't

630
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: swamp over the chips, that could because that's where the

631
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: personality is there should be a part number on the memcal,

632
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: So at the very least open up both computers and

633
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: compare the part numbers. Look at the part numbers of

634
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: those chips are the same. If they're not, then that's

635
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: the first thing I would do. Now, be aware you

636
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: could have a damaged memcal. So if you put that

637
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: the V six memcal into that new computer and all

638
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: of a sudden it starts to run bad, it's the

639
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: memcou chip is at fault, not the computer. And I've

640
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: got to warn you those chips, those memcals are no

641
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: longer available. I have, We've looked for them for different

642
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: cars over the years. They just don't seem to exist anymore.

643
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to go out and find something

644
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: in the used apartment. All right, But that's right.

645
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: I've got a bunch of that I got on a

646
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: junk yard from damage to the south Side.

647
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah I would, I would, but that's where I would

648
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: be looking the the the characteristic of the vehicle came

649
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: from the MEMCU chip, not necessarily the computer. So go ahead,

650
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: do those things. Give me a call back. You know

651
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: where I am, and good job keeping up the keeping

652
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: up the hobby. I appreciate you, John. I'm running any

653
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: in the car. Doctor, I'll be back right after this.

654
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 8: Don't go away.

655
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: Hey, let's let's kind of wine things. I can't believe

656
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: you know. I'm just sitting here going was that an hour?

657
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: That can't be an hour? Its just like, Holy cow,

658
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: just kind of flew by. And this is the radio show.

659
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: They tell me nobody wants to listen to ah idiots.

660
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: This one's from Billy and Colorado. Hey, Billy, I like Billy.

661
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Billy's my buddy on the phone. We talk on the phone.

662
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: I called him one night, late at night. He almost

663
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: fell off his chair. Hey, Ron, I'm planning to call

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Speaker 3: in to say after this one tomorrow. Well guess what, Billy,

665
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm beating you to the punch. I have a friend

666
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: with a two thousand and four Focus two point three

667
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: that intermittently pops a P zero one seven to one

668
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: anytime I look at it. The fuel trims are great

669
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: short and long term, both within five percent of zero.

670
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: If I start the car cold and run away up

671
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: to operating temperature, fuel trims stay fine the whole time.

672
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: I've never been able to reproduce the problems you can

673
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: see from the freeze frame, though. Every now and then

674
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: it comes out. When I first looked at freeze frame,

675
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: I thought it was a crazy mass airflow number, but

676
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: then realized it's in pounds per hour, not grahams per seconds.

677
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Speaker 3: If I do the calculations, it comes out to three

678
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: point two grams per second, which I believe is a

679
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: good number. Yeah, that's I'm okay with that. See, I'm

680
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: looking for ways to diagnose further. Billy, I'll tell you

681
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: what I think, and you're welcome to call inn Babe.

682
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'm always glad to talk to you. But

683
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Speaker 3: I think you've got either leaky O rings at the

684
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: intake manifold or the PCV host check around. Then what

685
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: I would do is, this is where we use the

686
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: propane bottle. Right, We're gonna take our little propane bottle.

687
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna, you know, use our propane to sniff around

688
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: and watch fuel trim. And when I'm doing this, I

689
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: am looking at fuel trim and only fuel trim on

690
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: a scan tool, because I don't want to overload the

691
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: process or over whatever scan tool I'm using. I want

692
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: to make sure that i'm doing something in as as

693
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: fast the mode as possible, less pits, faster reaction, and

694
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna spray around the PCVE hose. I'm gonna spray

695
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: around the hose itself. I'm going to look to see

696
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: some of those hoses. The inner wall, if they're double walled,

697
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: collapse and they create the whole kind of havocs. So

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00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: PCV the fitting the hose and around the intake manifold gaskets.

699
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: Because it's O rings, they were common to leak and

700
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 3: cause this particular problem. Billy, good luck. I'm a weak

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Speaker 3: glad to talk to you, babe, until the next time

702
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm on a needing and the cardockt reminding each and

703
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: every one of you. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 4: See you