WEBVTT - Draft Show: Finding Some Day Two Value 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:08.400 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.240 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.760 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:23.000 Dallas Cowboys Liked d Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:31.960 Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeoman's. There are one 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.760 hundred and eleven days until the NFL drafting Cleveland, Ohio, 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.960 April twenty nine, twenty twenty one, but zero days to 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.360 wait for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. As 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.120 we are back second time this weekend. It's twice the 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.960 Draft Show all the way through until the NFL Draft, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.520 even some weeks we may have some more draft show 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.480 for you, but it's double dipping from here on out 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.840 due to the Cowboys losing their chances at a playoff. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.320 But glad to be joined as always by Dan Brugler, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.840 Kevin Turner, and then hey, how about this, We've got 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.560 David Hellman back on the show after missing on Tuesday. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.000 That's the glory of this kind of weak Helman and 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.480 kind of this scenario with what Derek is built with 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.800 the Draft show because we had Jeff Kavanaugh fill in 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.800 on Tuesday, came into, did a great job with Bucky 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.720 and Brian, and then now you get to come in 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.120 and substitute for a day. So the talent is always 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.920 there and everyone's going to get a voice whenever it 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.560 comes to these drafts. Yeah, it's kind of ironic because 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.240 when we talked about this, you know, gigantic lineup, I 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.679 was really I was a little bit confused about how 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.280 it was going to work. And here we are, like 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.560 one week into the offseason. I'm like, oh, yeah, like 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.280 this is pretty great. We can mix and match as 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.840 we need to because of everybody's schedules. So it's cool 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.640 to see y'all instead of Brian's old face for a change. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.360 It's great. For the most part, we all get along. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.600 So that's you know, for the most part, we all 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.560 kind of you know, for the most part, for the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.680 most part. Who are you referring to here, Katie, I'm saying, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.320 I you know, so some of us can disagree on 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.680 if Yeah, sometimes you disagree on if you want to 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.400 win games or not. So but that's over and we 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.200 will never talk about it again, we hope, because they 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.919 will never miss the playoffs again after this year's draft, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.600 Like your attitude. We're gonna fix the draft that that much, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.160 We're gonna fix this team that much. But I mean, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.520 I like your way of thinking, and we're gonna kind 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.120 of get into maybe some second third round guys. Today 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.200 we're gonna talk about the National Championship game of course 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.440 coming up, and Heisman winner Davante Smith, first wide receiver 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.639 to win the Heisman since nineteen ninety one. But I 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.080 want to kind of go into how to fix this 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.960 Cowboys team, Katie. I mean, you kind of look at 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.400 ahead a little bit. I mean, that loss to the 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.200 Giants secured that number ten overall pick, but it also 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.799 showed a lot of the holes. It showed a lot 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.720 of the issues with this Cowboys team, specifically on the 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.720 defensive side of the football, and it kind of compounded 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.080 what was the twenty twenty season into one game. But 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.400 whenever you look at the first round talent, we've kind 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.639 of talked about the far Leaves and the Curtans and 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.960 all these different players that could potentially go in the 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.880 first round, But if you look into Day two, where 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.639 is the majority of the talent. Is it at defensive tackle, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.520 is it at linebacker? Where are we going to find 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.840 somebody that's going to fix this defense KT that the 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.520 Cowboys need desperately. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a guy 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.279 who's pretty big on this secondary needs to be rebuilt. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.480 And the rebuilt process might have already happened with you know, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.960 Trevon Dix coming in, and you were lucky to get 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.920 him at fifty one last year at which we felt 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.880 he was or I felt they were lucky to get 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.840 him at fifty one. You mentioned DT and linebacker. Those 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.880 are areas that I do want them to address. And 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.160 I think they could use another defensive end as well. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.200 And I would have liked it seen some more Bradley 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.320 and I you know, on the active list on game day. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.880 But I I'm liking what you might have at cornerback there. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.480 If you look at the Cowboys were picking at forty four. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.080 I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think that 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.720 you could get you could be double up at cornerback 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.760 if you needed to. You know, you already have Anthony Brown, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.320 who I think is a solid player. But you know, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.280 I think I think the depth, you're gonna you're gonna 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.760 hit a spot where you feel like you're kind of dry. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.400 But as Eric Stokes from Georgia there at forty four 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.240 is Tyson Campbell from Georgia there at forty four. Do 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.919 you like them? Um? You know there some questions that 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.000 are they're gonna come up? How far do you feel 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.040 like you need a slot guy? And maybe Elijah Molden 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.880 from Washington, who to me has kind of a defensive 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.320 Cole Beasley attack Junkyard dog mentality. Uh. Greg Newsom from 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.440 from Northwestern is a really good player. You know, if 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.560 you want to double up at cornerback, I think you 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.800 could do that. We've seen this team do that and 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.080 the twenty seventeen draft that I think we look back 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.479 on and go, what a great draft. But I think 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.640 that's a possibility, and I'm more excited about taking two cornerbacks. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.599 I think that I would be you know, taking a 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:11.080 linebacker in round two? Dan, what do you think about 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.600 some of the names that Katie just thrown through out there? 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.600 But also the fact that thinking about double dipping is 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.360 not something new. They even did it last year at 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.839 corner with Reggie Robinson. I know they moved him into safety, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.080 but then you had digs in the second but double 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.120 dipping in days one and two is kind of what 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.039 Katie's alluding to here, is that a possibility for the 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.440 Cowboys with the talent that's on the table. Oh? Absolutely, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.679 And the Cowboys have shown their hand in the past 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.880 few years that hey, they think they feel pretty good 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.920 about finding corners on Day two of the draft with 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:48.400 the returns with Woozier, you know, with obviously Trevon Diggs 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.640 he did as a rookie. Came out with my All 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.920 Rookie team on the Athletic this week, and Trevon Diggs 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.839 was my number one corner despite missing missing a few games, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.400 he was I thought, even though and there were some 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.120 rough patches there, but he was the most consistent from 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.039 start to finish. And so I think if you're if 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.000 you're the Cowboys, you feel pretty good about your chances 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.120 of finding a corner, whether that's h and Katie set 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.160 it up nicely with a lot of those names. Um, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.880 you know, if I think maybe like a Tyson Campbell, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.559 I think there's a good chance he goes one because 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.640 the traits are just so remarkable. But if you can 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.040 find a guy like an Assante Samuel because he's gonna 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.799 get dinged because of the size, but just like his dad, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:34.640 the ball skills, the instincts, the reaction quickness. He makes plays. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.040 And so if you're able to get an assante Samuel 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.760 in the second round, that's a heck of a find. Um. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.320 You know another name I would they're out there. He 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.400 fought to U Melifon Wu from Syracuse, another guy I know. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.000 Katie likes him too. All the traits are there. I mean, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.200 if you want traits, He's got up sixty three, two 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.160 hundred and fifteen pounds, He's twitchy, he moves well. I 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.800 think he could play press, he could play zone. U 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.360 Melifon was kind of a name that isn't talked about 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.680 a whole lot. But I wouldn't be surprised if he 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:10.280 ends up somewhere on day two. You just you sorry, Sorry, Dan, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.200 You broke my heart a little bit there, because like 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.960 we bring up we bring up Tyson Campbell. This is 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.520 the I mean, we do this every year where I'm like, okay, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.000 You're like you're telling me Tyson Campbell might be in 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.760 play at forty four like this, you know, six, one 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.400 big cornerback from the SEC, Like sign me the hell up. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.640 And then you're like, no, yeah, he's he's physically rare 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.600 enough that he might not be available for you well, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.520 and I mean I don't did any of us think 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.600 Trevon Diggs was was going to fall to fifty one, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.559 you know, so you know, you never say never, But 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.800 you know, I think Campbell's got a better chance to 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.240 be you know, like an AJ Terrell, Uh, you know, 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.800 a guy that there's some some it tapes, not perfect. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.480 I mean he I wish you would play just a 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.840 little more loose um with with his play style. But 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.160 the traits you can't coach. You know, He's born with 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.880 a lot of those, and so I think that there's 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.000 a better chance he's gonna end up somewhere in the 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.480 first round. But yeah, you just never know. Guys with 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.600 those types of traits, you bet on it if he 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.720 were to fall into the second round, do you jump 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.000 all over that? Just as a oh sorry, co go ahead, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.160 just as a general statement, I like here in this 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.480 because and obviously things are going to change. Free agency 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.400 is going to happen. But it's hard to ignore cornerback 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.760 as this team's biggest trouble spot right now just because 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.280 they don't have any I mean, we don't know what's 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.280 going to happen to Cheeto or Jordan Lewis, and you know, 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.160 Reggie Robinson first of all was moved to safety and 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.440 second of all didn't play, so you don't even know 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.920 what you have in him, and so they need bodies, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.679 and so it's at least encouraging to think that they 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.559 can potentially double up or find guys, you know, with 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.560 that second pick. If they don't get one in the 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.240 top ten, or even if they do, I have al 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.960 that's going to change, but it's still nice to know, well, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.360 if they're in the second round, there's day two looking 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.800 at all these corners, and there are some good names there. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.880 I mean, outside of the Campbells and the Waves, I 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.720 mean there's the guys like the Eric Stokes and the 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.160 Essante Samuel Junior who may not be there in the 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.000 second round, but or at least second round conversation guys. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.280 Would that deter this team from potentially taking a corner 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.560 like a certain or a Farley in the top ten? 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.319 I mean, because I know we're talking about double dipping 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.800 here and if that's a possibility, sure, it's a possibility, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.520 But knowing that there's guys on the back end, does 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.520 it make you feel better up in that first round? 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.880 Dane because I know the defensive tackle talent isn't there 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.520 for a top ten pick, and the same thing with 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.360 maybe a linebacker outside of Micah Parsons. But it does 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.079 it deter a team away if you're wanting to go 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:52.000 corner the fact that there might be some water on. Yeah, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.079 I think it's an interesting philosophical approach that, you know, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.480 I think there's going to be different opinions on because 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.760 there's some logic to what you're saying. You know, if 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.640 a position is stronger on Day two, then why not 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.320 go with a position that's still something that you could 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.480 that you need and because you know there's a better 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.480 chance just odds that they are better odds there's going 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.800 to be a player at that other position later on. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.920 So it makes sense. But I also think that with 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.839 every round that goes lowers your chances of hitting, and 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.959 so I think it's important in the first round to hit, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.040 and that means drafting the best player on your board, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.920 and you know it's that that gets into the whole 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.679 best player available conversation and all that. I just think 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.200 when you have a top ten pick, you need a 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.760 draft who's going to make the biggest impact on your roster, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.959 and you know, that might be a corner, that might 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.920 be a tackle. You know, it might be you know, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.679 if we think about it. Okay, let's say four quarterbacks 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.160 do end up going top ten, which would only be 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.320 the second time since nineteen sixty it's ever happened. But 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.480 it's possible. That would mean you're getting this theoretically to 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.800 six best non quarterback in this draft. That's pretty good. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.680 I mean, you feel pretty good about that. And so 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.960 I think you have to, you know, go after the 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.000 best player. That might be a cable far then that 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.840 might be Patrick Surtan. But if you think those guys 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.000 are on the same tier as a you know, a 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.439 linebacker or a pass rusher, then maybe you do go 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.560 with one of those other positions and make sure you 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.760 get your corner later. I will say this though, I 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.400 think pass rusher is also a very strong position. We 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.920 don't have that top ten guy or that that lock 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.839 top ten guy this year, but in the mid first round, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.760 in the second round, third round, there are some intriguing 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.960 pass rushers in this class. Yeah, and that's another thing 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.120 about this roster. You know, I think Randy Gregory has 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.080 earned a starting job next year, But you know, you 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.679 just can't lock that in and kind of the way 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.880 I would think about this if I was working in 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.360 an NFL front office, and god knows I'm not, but 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.080 if I was, I'm more in the boat of let's 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.520 just take the best player we can again and let's 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.800 fill out this roster. But if I'm a team that 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.640 has I feel like I have a top ten offense 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.559 and I feel like I have a top ten defense, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.480 That's where I'm comfortable roadmapping the draft, which is what 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.520 the Cowboys have shown that they do a lot. In 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.080 twenty seventeen is the best example where they said we 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.520 are taking an edge player in the first round, ended 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.480 up taking Taco and then Cheeto and Jordan Lists. We knew, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.719 because they knew the depth of the draft, that they 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.160 were going to attack the secondary on Day two, and 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.360 I just don't know if that philosophy works as well 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.440 when you've hit rock bottom like they did defensively this year. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.240 I think you just got to load up with the 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.000 best players you can pick it. I think if you 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.840 spend too much time thinking about what might be there 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.199 on Day two, then you could lose out on something 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.760 on Day one. And I would say the same thing 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.080 about day three. We'll have them thinking too much about 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.960 what might be there in round four, you might miss 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.240 something you know that's right underneath you right there on 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.120 day two, which that is my foss I want to go, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.480 which I want to bring it back to kind of 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.920 what Kyle led this off with. And Dane, you know, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.200 I love to put you on the spot. I'm here, 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.880 I'm in mid January, and I'm gonna ask you this, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.920 but like, but this is the this is the impression 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.559 that I get just from like, you know, I'm kind 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.000 of getting like knee deep into this draft class. Now. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.480 Cornerback certainly seems like and all right, for the purposes 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.720 of this, we're talking about defense. Forget about Kyle Pitts, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.520 forget about the offensive tackles, like we're just talking defense. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.559 Cornerback certainly seems like one of a few positions where 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.679 you have multiple guys that you feel good about in 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.680 that top ten spot. Like it doesn't seem like there's 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.800 a defensive tackle that you would want to pick there, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.960 you know, Micah Parsons, maybe the Notre Dame guy who 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:55.520 apologies I'm blanking a Lusu Karamora, Jeremiah cory Um Okay, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.400 so that's three. I don't get the impression that there's 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.800 a safety that you would feel good about drafting in that, right, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.680 So cornerback and linebacker and maybe edge, although even edge, Like, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.240 is there a guy that you would stand on the 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.200 table four all the way up at ten? No? I 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.240 think maybe if they stick with a three four. I mean, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.160 Aziz Augilary is so intriguing to me, Like, I think 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.640 he's better than Clayveon Chason last year. I think he's 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.960 a better prospect. So that would be a guy that 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.240 would I stand on the table for him at ten. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.400 Maybe not necessarily, you know that emphatically, but I would 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.920 definitely consider him. He would he has to be in 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.360 the conversation. One more name I think needs to be 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.480 in there is Zaven Collins from Coulson. I was going 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.600 to ask about him later in the show. I really 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.560 like what he brings to the table and not I 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.680 I know the Cowboys like him. I know they like 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.280 him in the first round, do I I don't know 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.960 if they like him top ten. I don't know if 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.000 they would consider him as high as ten, but I 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.040 know that they do really like him. And so that's 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:00.800 a name I think we need to keep on the 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.480 radar as as a guy that could potentially beat that choice. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.760 Talking about him the first round, Dan, why was he 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.880 so far off the radar that he's just now starting 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.400 to kind of get some pub and get some recognition, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.880 because I feel like early on I never heard his name. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.880 I mean whenever we were talking about some of these 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.520 defensive prospects. But then all of a sudden, he's popped up. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.920 And I mean, of course I watched his tape yesterday 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:26.960 and for the first time, just because I was saying, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.840 who's the Xavien Collins guy? People keep asking about. Well, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.760 I really liked what he brought, but why did it 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.640 take so long for everybody to notice? Well, I mean, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.640 being playing at Tulsa's part of it, um, you know, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.720 But he's he's a guy that back in you know, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.560 October was getting first round love from from around guys 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.320 around the league. So you know, it's just more of 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.640 you know, people on the outside kind of catching up. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.840 But he's six three, two sixty. He moves so well 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.080 for a guy that size, and I think he might 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.680 be a better fit for three to four because of 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.200 just the versatility that he brings as a pass rusher. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.640 He could be a natural samum, but there's just so 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.920 much to like about him as as a versatile linebacker 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.080 that can stay on the field and just give you 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.280 a lot so uh, you know, playing at Tulsa's part 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.080 of it, but man, if if you want a guy 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.320 with production, and he certainly had that, he provided impact play. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.520 It seems like every single week, whether it's a pick 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.120 six or you know, a big tackle he's covering on 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.640 the outside. Zaven Collins is a guy that a lot 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.720 of teams like. And when you really boil it down 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.560 and you start stacking these players on a board, you realize, Okay, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.680 I like Davin Collins more than this guy. Okay, yeah, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.880 takes Daven Collins over him, and all of a sudden 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.600 you realize he's closer to ten than maybe we thought 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.000 a couple a couple months ago when they were watching 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.120 Reggie We're real quick. When they were watching Reggie Robinson 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.600 last year, they were going, wait, who's that guy? Oh 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.600 my Ohumber high school quarterback? Okay, you know, playing linebacker. Okay, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.160 it moves like that. Okay, falls to forties? Is there 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.480 a chance he falls to the forties? Nice? Yeah, yeah, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.440 I mean like I said, I think he's a guy 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.880 that could be in the mix in the top fifteen, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.120 so it would be a surprise, but you know, you'd 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.800 ever know. Okay, can we step Coromoa for a minute, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.680 because we don't talk about him a lot? I think 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.760 one frustrating thing. And you know, you don't never want 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.359 to rush these types of decisions, but I like, I 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:33.120 want decisions made about this defense immediately. Who is the DC? 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.760 Are we changing the scheme? Ye? What are we doing? Honestly? 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.000 And I don't want to be like like unfair, but 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.040 like you need to make a decision on Jalen Smith soon? Ye? 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.080 Like soon? Are you gonna make post June one cut him? 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.879 And you have a nine million dollar cap hit spread 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.280 out over four years and that's around that area. Are 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.280 you gonna post June one cut him? Are you bringing 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.080 him back? I think you need to know. And Jermaine 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.920 Oosue Coromoa from Notre Dame is a type of guy 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.280 who I don't think is gonna suit every scheme, and 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.359 I think some teams are gonna go I think I 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.080 want to play him like maybe maybe Arizona utilizes you know, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.000 Buddha Baker, you know, and there're gonna be some teaple 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.720 to say, you know what, he's my weak side linebacker. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.800 You're gonna need to know those types of things when 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.040 he come to evaluating these players and how seriously you're 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.960 gonna take those guys. Because I love Coromoa's tape and 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.240 I just you sit here and go, I don't know 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.200 if this team would seriously take him or not, but 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.720 that I think he's a guy who's new needs to 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.040 be considered as a top fifteen pick in this draft. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.040 That is a wonderful point, Katie. And like you know, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.520 going back all the years that we did this show 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.800 when Rod Marinelli was the DC, I used to always say, like, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.360 don't talk to me about these Swiss Army knife players 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.159 because that's not what Rod Marinelli does. Like Rod Marinelli 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.919 wants to put pegs into holes and like you're my end, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.720 you're my end, you're my safety. Like you didn't see 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.560 those versatile guys who move all over the defense playing here. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.199 And obviously Rod's gone, but I don't feel like I 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.600 have any better grasp of what Mike Nolan would do 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.840 with that type of player, Like I couldn't tell you, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.760 which maybe that's an embarrassing thing to admit, like I 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.399 don't know what Mike Nolan does or like what he 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.080 wants to do, Like I don't have a good idea 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.159 of what that defense. Yeah, what's the identity of that defense? 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.479 I don't know. And we also don't even know if 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.320 Mike Nolan's going to be the DC by the time 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.080 they pick, So, yeah, it would be very nice to 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.080 have some clarity about what their mission statement is for 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.679 this defense, which hopefully we'll get that eventually. Yeah, but 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.520 it leads to identity, and there was no consistency. There 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.679 was zero consistency throughout the season, and so we're all 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.600 sitting here, like you said, Dave, with our hands up 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.480 in the air, like what are we doing? Where are 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.280 we going from here? Because we don't know what the 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.000 consistency is from a personnel standpoint? What are we doing 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.560 in the cornerback spot? What are we doing from winebackers? 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.960 I mean, Katie, you brought up a fantastic point because 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:04.919 we don't even know what scheme we're gonna run. We 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.160 don't know if it's gonna be a three to four 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.400 or four three. How are we going to pick efficiently 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.800 if we don't know what that's going to be you 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.119 know what, I think it's important to remember the highest 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.720 paid player in Dallas Cowboys franchise history is DeMarcus Lawrence. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.880 DeMarcus Lawrence is probably suited to be a four to three. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.720 Shall we build it around him? Now? I don't know 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.720 how how much longer is he going to be here, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.399 but he is your highest paid player in franchise history. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.760 Hopefully that changes. Hopefully that changes today. Hell who knows, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.840 But like you know, I just I wonder if you 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.520