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Speaker 1: we are back second time this weekend. It's twice the
Speaker 1: Draft Show all the way through until the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: even some weeks we may have some more draft show
Speaker 1: for you, but it's double dipping from here on out
Speaker 1: due to the Cowboys losing their chances at a playoff.
Speaker 1: But glad to be joined as always by Dan Brugler,
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, and then hey, how about this, We've got
Speaker 1: David Hellman back on the show after missing on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: That's the glory of this kind of weak Helman and
Speaker 1: kind of this scenario with what Derek is built with
Speaker 1: the Draft show because we had Jeff Kavanaugh fill in
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, came into, did a great job with Bucky
Speaker 1: and Brian, and then now you get to come in
Speaker 1: and substitute for a day. So the talent is always
Speaker 1: there and everyone's going to get a voice whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to these drafts. Yeah, it's kind of ironic because
Speaker 1: when we talked about this, you know, gigantic lineup, I
Speaker 1: was really I was a little bit confused about how
Speaker 1: it was going to work. And here we are, like
Speaker 1: one week into the offseason. I'm like, oh, yeah, like
Speaker 1: this is pretty great. We can mix and match as
Speaker 1: we need to because of everybody's schedules. So it's cool
Speaker 1: to see y'all instead of Brian's old face for a change.
Speaker 1: It's great. For the most part, we all get along.
Speaker 1: So that's you know, for the most part, we all
Speaker 1: kind of you know, for the most part, for the
Speaker 1: most part. Who are you referring to here, Katie, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I you know, so some of us can disagree on
Speaker 1: if Yeah, sometimes you disagree on if you want to
Speaker 1: win games or not. So but that's over and we
Speaker 1: will never talk about it again, we hope, because they
Speaker 1: will never miss the playoffs again after this year's draft,
Speaker 1: Like your attitude. We're gonna fix the draft that that much,
Speaker 1: We're gonna fix this team that much. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I like your way of thinking, and we're gonna kind
Speaker 1: of get into maybe some second third round guys. Today
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the National Championship game of course
Speaker 1: coming up, and Heisman winner Davante Smith, first wide receiver
Speaker 1: to win the Heisman since nineteen ninety one. But I
Speaker 1: want to kind of go into how to fix this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team, Katie. I mean, you kind of look at
Speaker 1: ahead a little bit. I mean, that loss to the
Speaker 1: Giants secured that number ten overall pick, but it also
Speaker 1: showed a lot of the holes. It showed a lot
Speaker 1: of the issues with this Cowboys team, specifically on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, and it kind of compounded
Speaker 1: what was the twenty twenty season into one game. But
Speaker 1: whenever you look at the first round talent, we've kind
Speaker 1: of talked about the far Leaves and the Curtans and
Speaker 1: all these different players that could potentially go in the
Speaker 1: first round, But if you look into Day two, where
Speaker 1: is the majority of the talent. Is it at defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: is it at linebacker? Where are we going to find
Speaker 1: somebody that's going to fix this defense KT that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need desperately. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a guy
Speaker 1: who's pretty big on this secondary needs to be rebuilt.
Speaker 1: And the rebuilt process might have already happened with you know,
Speaker 1: Trevon Dix coming in, and you were lucky to get
Speaker 1: him at fifty one last year at which we felt
Speaker 1: he was or I felt they were lucky to get
Speaker 1: him at fifty one. You mentioned DT and linebacker. Those
Speaker 1: are areas that I do want them to address. And
Speaker 1: I think they could use another defensive end as well.
Speaker 1: And I would have liked it seen some more Bradley
Speaker 1: and I you know, on the active list on game day.
Speaker 1: But I I'm liking what you might have at cornerback there.
Speaker 1: If you look at the Cowboys were picking at forty four.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think that
Speaker 1: you could get you could be double up at cornerback
Speaker 1: if you needed to. You know, you already have Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: who I think is a solid player. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think the depth, you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: hit a spot where you feel like you're kind of dry.
Speaker 1: But as Eric Stokes from Georgia there at forty four
Speaker 1: is Tyson Campbell from Georgia there at forty four. Do
Speaker 1: you like them? Um? You know there some questions that
Speaker 1: are they're gonna come up? How far do you feel
Speaker 1: like you need a slot guy? And maybe Elijah Molden
Speaker 1: from Washington, who to me has kind of a defensive
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley attack Junkyard dog mentality. Uh. Greg Newsom from
Speaker 1: from Northwestern is a really good player. You know, if
Speaker 1: you want to double up at cornerback, I think you
Speaker 1: could do that. We've seen this team do that and
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen draft that I think we look back
Speaker 1: on and go, what a great draft. But I think
Speaker 1: that's a possibility, and I'm more excited about taking two cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: I think that I would be you know, taking a
Speaker 1: linebacker in round two? Dan, what do you think about
Speaker 1: some of the names that Katie just thrown through out there?
Speaker 1: But also the fact that thinking about double dipping is
Speaker 1: not something new. They even did it last year at
Speaker 1: corner with Reggie Robinson. I know they moved him into safety,
Speaker 1: but then you had digs in the second but double
Speaker 1: dipping in days one and two is kind of what
Speaker 1: Katie's alluding to here, is that a possibility for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with the talent that's on the table. Oh? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys have shown their hand in the past
Speaker 1: few years that hey, they think they feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about finding corners on Day two of the draft with
Speaker 1: the returns with Woozier, you know, with obviously Trevon Diggs
Speaker 1: he did as a rookie. Came out with my All
Speaker 1: Rookie team on the Athletic this week, and Trevon Diggs
Speaker 1: was my number one corner despite missing missing a few games,
Speaker 1: he was I thought, even though and there were some
Speaker 1: rough patches there, but he was the most consistent from
Speaker 1: start to finish. And so I think if you're if
Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys, you feel pretty good about your chances
Speaker 1: of finding a corner, whether that's h and Katie set
Speaker 1: it up nicely with a lot of those names. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, if I think maybe like a Tyson Campbell,
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance he goes one because
Speaker 1: the traits are just so remarkable. But if you can
Speaker 1: find a guy like an Assante Samuel because he's gonna
Speaker 1: get dinged because of the size, but just like his dad,
Speaker 1: the ball skills, the instincts, the reaction quickness. He makes plays.
Speaker 1: And so if you're able to get an assante Samuel
Speaker 1: in the second round, that's a heck of a find. Um.
Speaker 1: You know another name I would they're out there. He
Speaker 1: fought to U Melifon Wu from Syracuse, another guy I know.
Speaker 1: Katie likes him too. All the traits are there. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want traits, He's got up sixty three, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds, He's twitchy, he moves well. I
Speaker 1: think he could play press, he could play zone. U
Speaker 1: Melifon was kind of a name that isn't talked about
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But I wouldn't be surprised if he
Speaker 1: ends up somewhere on day two. You just you sorry, Sorry, Dan,
Speaker 1: You broke my heart a little bit there, because like
Speaker 1: we bring up we bring up Tyson Campbell. This is
Speaker 1: the I mean, we do this every year where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: You're like you're telling me Tyson Campbell might be in
Speaker 1: play at forty four like this, you know, six, one
Speaker 1: big cornerback from the SEC, Like sign me the hell up.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, no, yeah, he's he's physically rare
Speaker 1: enough that he might not be available for you well,
Speaker 1: and I mean I don't did any of us think
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs was was going to fall to fifty one,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, you never say never, But
Speaker 1: you know, I think Campbell's got a better chance to
Speaker 1: be you know, like an AJ Terrell, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that there's some some it tapes, not perfect.
Speaker 1: I mean he I wish you would play just a
Speaker 1: little more loose um with with his play style. But
Speaker 1: the traits you can't coach. You know, He's born with
Speaker 1: a lot of those, and so I think that there's
Speaker 1: a better chance he's gonna end up somewhere in the
Speaker 1: first round. But yeah, you just never know. Guys with
Speaker 1: those types of traits, you bet on it if he
Speaker 1: were to fall into the second round, do you jump
Speaker 1: all over that? Just as a oh sorry, co go ahead,
Speaker 1: just as a general statement, I like here in this
Speaker 1: because and obviously things are going to change. Free agency
Speaker 1: is going to happen. But it's hard to ignore cornerback
Speaker 1: as this team's biggest trouble spot right now just because
Speaker 1: they don't have any I mean, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen to Cheeto or Jordan Lewis, and you know,
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson first of all was moved to safety and
Speaker 1: second of all didn't play, so you don't even know
Speaker 1: what you have in him, and so they need bodies,
Speaker 1: and so it's at least encouraging to think that they
Speaker 1: can potentially double up or find guys, you know, with
Speaker 1: that second pick. If they don't get one in the
Speaker 1: top ten, or even if they do, I have al
Speaker 1: that's going to change, but it's still nice to know, well,
Speaker 1: if they're in the second round, there's day two looking
Speaker 1: at all these corners, and there are some good names there.
Speaker 1: I mean, outside of the Campbells and the Waves, I
Speaker 1: mean there's the guys like the Eric Stokes and the
Speaker 1: Essante Samuel Junior who may not be there in the
Speaker 1: second round, but or at least second round conversation guys.
Speaker 1: Would that deter this team from potentially taking a corner
Speaker 1: like a certain or a Farley in the top ten?
Speaker 1: I mean, because I know we're talking about double dipping
Speaker 1: here and if that's a possibility, sure, it's a possibility,
Speaker 1: But knowing that there's guys on the back end, does
Speaker 1: it make you feel better up in that first round?
Speaker 1: Dane because I know the defensive tackle talent isn't there
Speaker 1: for a top ten pick, and the same thing with
Speaker 1: maybe a linebacker outside of Micah Parsons. But it does
Speaker 1: it deter a team away if you're wanting to go
Speaker 1: corner the fact that there might be some water on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting philosophical approach that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be different opinions on because
Speaker 1: there's some logic to what you're saying. You know, if
Speaker 1: a position is stronger on Day two, then why not
Speaker 1: go with a position that's still something that you could
Speaker 1: that you need and because you know there's a better
Speaker 1: chance just odds that they are better odds there's going
Speaker 1: to be a player at that other position later on.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense. But I also think that with
Speaker 1: every round that goes lowers your chances of hitting, and
Speaker 1: so I think it's important in the first round to hit,
Speaker 1: and that means drafting the best player on your board,
Speaker 1: and you know it's that that gets into the whole
Speaker 1: best player available conversation and all that. I just think
Speaker 1: when you have a top ten pick, you need a
Speaker 1: draft who's going to make the biggest impact on your roster,
Speaker 1: and you know, that might be a corner, that might
Speaker 1: be a tackle. You know, it might be you know,
Speaker 1: if we think about it. Okay, let's say four quarterbacks
Speaker 1: do end up going top ten, which would only be
Speaker 1: the second time since nineteen sixty it's ever happened. But
Speaker 1: it's possible. That would mean you're getting this theoretically to
Speaker 1: six best non quarterback in this draft. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, you feel pretty good about that. And so
Speaker 1: I think you have to, you know, go after the
Speaker 1: best player. That might be a cable far then that
Speaker 1: might be Patrick Surtan. But if you think those guys
Speaker 1: are on the same tier as a you know, a
Speaker 1: linebacker or a pass rusher, then maybe you do go
Speaker 1: with one of those other positions and make sure you
Speaker 1: get your corner later. I will say this though, I
Speaker 1: think pass rusher is also a very strong position. We
Speaker 1: don't have that top ten guy or that that lock
Speaker 1: top ten guy this year, but in the mid first round,
Speaker 1: in the second round, third round, there are some intriguing
Speaker 1: pass rushers in this class. Yeah, and that's another thing
Speaker 1: about this roster. You know, I think Randy Gregory has
Speaker 1: earned a starting job next year, But you know, you
Speaker 1: just can't lock that in and kind of the way
Speaker 1: I would think about this if I was working in
Speaker 1: an NFL front office, and god knows I'm not, but
Speaker 1: if I was, I'm more in the boat of let's
Speaker 1: just take the best player we can again and let's
Speaker 1: fill out this roster. But if I'm a team that
Speaker 1: has I feel like I have a top ten offense
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have a top ten defense,
Speaker 1: That's where I'm comfortable roadmapping the draft, which is what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have shown that they do a lot. In
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen is the best example where they said we
Speaker 1: are taking an edge player in the first round, ended
Speaker 1: up taking Taco and then Cheeto and Jordan Lists. We knew,
Speaker 1: because they knew the depth of the draft, that they
Speaker 1: were going to attack the secondary on Day two, and
Speaker 1: I just don't know if that philosophy works as well
Speaker 1: when you've hit rock bottom like they did defensively this year.
Speaker 1: I think you just got to load up with the
Speaker 1: best players you can pick it. I think if you
Speaker 1: spend too much time thinking about what might be there
Speaker 1: on Day two, then you could lose out on something
Speaker 1: on Day one. And I would say the same thing
Speaker 1: about day three. We'll have them thinking too much about
Speaker 1: what might be there in round four, you might miss
Speaker 1: something you know that's right underneath you right there on
Speaker 1: day two, which that is my foss I want to go,
Speaker 1: which I want to bring it back to kind of
Speaker 1: what Kyle led this off with. And Dane, you know,
Speaker 1: I love to put you on the spot. I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm in mid January, and I'm gonna ask you this,
Speaker 1: but like, but this is the this is the impression
Speaker 1: that I get just from like, you know, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of getting like knee deep into this draft class. Now.
Speaker 1: Cornerback certainly seems like and all right, for the purposes
Speaker 1: of this, we're talking about defense. Forget about Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: forget about the offensive tackles, like we're just talking defense.
Speaker 1: Cornerback certainly seems like one of a few positions where
Speaker 1: you have multiple guys that you feel good about in
Speaker 1: that top ten spot. Like it doesn't seem like there's
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle that you would want to pick there,
Speaker 1: you know, Micah Parsons, maybe the Notre Dame guy who
Speaker 1: apologies I'm blanking a Lusu Karamora, Jeremiah cory Um Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's three. I don't get the impression that there's
Speaker 1: a safety that you would feel good about drafting in that, right,
Speaker 1: So cornerback and linebacker and maybe edge, although even edge, Like,
Speaker 1: is there a guy that you would stand on the
Speaker 1: table four all the way up at ten? No? I
Speaker 1: think maybe if they stick with a three four. I mean,
Speaker 1: Aziz Augilary is so intriguing to me, Like, I think
Speaker 1: he's better than Clayveon Chason last year. I think he's
Speaker 1: a better prospect. So that would be a guy that
Speaker 1: would I stand on the table for him at ten.
Speaker 1: Maybe not necessarily, you know that emphatically, but I would
Speaker 1: definitely consider him. He would he has to be in
Speaker 1: the conversation. One more name I think needs to be
Speaker 1: in there is Zaven Collins from Coulson. I was going
Speaker 1: to ask about him later in the show. I really
Speaker 1: like what he brings to the table and not I
Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys like him. I know they like
Speaker 1: him in the first round, do I I don't know
Speaker 1: if they like him top ten. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they would consider him as high as ten, but I
Speaker 1: know that they do really like him. And so that's
Speaker 1: a name I think we need to keep on the
Speaker 1: radar as as a guy that could potentially beat that choice.
Speaker 1: Talking about him the first round, Dan, why was he
Speaker 1: so far off the radar that he's just now starting
Speaker 1: to kind of get some pub and get some recognition,
Speaker 1: because I feel like early on I never heard his name.
Speaker 1: I mean whenever we were talking about some of these
Speaker 1: defensive prospects. But then all of a sudden, he's popped up.
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course I watched his tape yesterday
Speaker 1: and for the first time, just because I was saying,
Speaker 1: who's the Xavien Collins guy? People keep asking about. Well,
Speaker 1: I really liked what he brought, but why did it
Speaker 1: take so long for everybody to notice? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: being playing at Tulsa's part of it, um, you know,
Speaker 1: But he's he's a guy that back in you know,
Speaker 1: October was getting first round love from from around guys
Speaker 1: around the league. So you know, it's just more of
Speaker 1: you know, people on the outside kind of catching up.
Speaker 1: But he's six three, two sixty. He moves so well
Speaker 1: for a guy that size, and I think he might
Speaker 1: be a better fit for three to four because of
Speaker 1: just the versatility that he brings as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: He could be a natural samum, but there's just so
Speaker 1: much to like about him as as a versatile linebacker
Speaker 1: that can stay on the field and just give you
Speaker 1: a lot so uh, you know, playing at Tulsa's part
Speaker 1: of it, but man, if if you want a guy
Speaker 1: with production, and he certainly had that, he provided impact play.
Speaker 1: It seems like every single week, whether it's a pick
Speaker 1: six or you know, a big tackle he's covering on
Speaker 1: the outside. Zaven Collins is a guy that a lot
Speaker 1: of teams like. And when you really boil it down
Speaker 1: and you start stacking these players on a board, you realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like Davin Collins more than this guy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: takes Daven Collins over him, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you realize he's closer to ten than maybe we thought
Speaker 1: a couple a couple months ago when they were watching
Speaker 1: Reggie We're real quick. When they were watching Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: last year, they were going, wait, who's that guy? Oh
Speaker 1: my Ohumber high school quarterback? Okay, you know, playing linebacker. Okay,
Speaker 1: it moves like that. Okay, falls to forties? Is there
Speaker 1: a chance he falls to the forties? Nice? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like I said, I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that could be in the mix in the top fifteen,
Speaker 1: so it would be a surprise, but you know, you'd
Speaker 1: ever know. Okay, can we step Coromoa for a minute,
Speaker 1: because we don't talk about him a lot? I think
Speaker 1: one frustrating thing. And you know, you don't never want
Speaker 1: to rush these types of decisions, but I like, I
Speaker 1: want decisions made about this defense immediately. Who is the DC?
Speaker 1: Are we changing the scheme? Ye? What are we doing? Honestly?
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be like like unfair, but
Speaker 1: like you need to make a decision on Jalen Smith soon? Ye?
Speaker 1: Like soon? Are you gonna make post June one cut him?
Speaker 1: And you have a nine million dollar cap hit spread
Speaker 1: out over four years and that's around that area. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna post June one cut him? Are you bringing
Speaker 1: him back? I think you need to know. And Jermaine
Speaker 1: Oosue Coromoa from Notre Dame is a type of guy
Speaker 1: who I don't think is gonna suit every scheme, and
Speaker 1: I think some teams are gonna go I think I
Speaker 1: want to play him like maybe maybe Arizona utilizes you know,
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, you know, and there're gonna be some teaple
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, he's my weak side linebacker.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to know those types of things when
Speaker 1: he come to evaluating these players and how seriously you're
Speaker 1: gonna take those guys. Because I love Coromoa's tape and
Speaker 1: I just you sit here and go, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this team would seriously take him or not, but
Speaker 1: that I think he's a guy who's new needs to
Speaker 1: be considered as a top fifteen pick in this draft.
Speaker 1: That is a wonderful point, Katie. And like you know,
Speaker 1: going back all the years that we did this show
Speaker 1: when Rod Marinelli was the DC, I used to always say, like,
Speaker 1: don't talk to me about these Swiss Army knife players
Speaker 1: because that's not what Rod Marinelli does. Like Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: wants to put pegs into holes and like you're my end,
Speaker 1: you're my end, you're my safety. Like you didn't see
Speaker 1: those versatile guys who move all over the defense playing here.
Speaker 1: And obviously Rod's gone, but I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: have any better grasp of what Mike Nolan would do
Speaker 1: with that type of player, Like I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 1: which maybe that's an embarrassing thing to admit, like I
Speaker 1: don't know what Mike Nolan does or like what he
Speaker 1: wants to do, Like I don't have a good idea
Speaker 1: of what that defense. Yeah, what's the identity of that defense?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And we also don't even know if
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan's going to be the DC by the time
Speaker 1: they pick, So, yeah, it would be very nice to
Speaker 1: have some clarity about what their mission statement is for
Speaker 1: this defense, which hopefully we'll get that eventually. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it leads to identity, and there was no consistency. There
Speaker 1: was zero consistency throughout the season, and so we're all
Speaker 1: sitting here, like you said, Dave, with our hands up
Speaker 1: in the air, like what are we doing? Where are
Speaker 1: we going from here? Because we don't know what the
Speaker 1: consistency is from a personnel standpoint? What are we doing
Speaker 1: in the cornerback spot? What are we doing from winebackers?
Speaker 1: I mean, Katie, you brought up a fantastic point because
Speaker 1: we don't even know what scheme we're gonna run. We
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be a three to four
Speaker 1: or four three. How are we going to pick efficiently
Speaker 1: if we don't know what that's going to be you
Speaker 1: know what, I think it's important to remember the highest
Speaker 1: paid player in Dallas Cowboys franchise history is DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence is probably suited to be a four to three.
Speaker 1: Shall we build it around him? Now? I don't know
Speaker 1: how how much longer is he going to be here,
Speaker 1: but he is your highest paid player in franchise history.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that changes. Hopefully that changes today. Hell who knows,
Speaker 1: But like you know, I just I wonder if you
Speaker 1: should go, you know what, let's let's let's make sure
Speaker 1: we've got our left defensive end in de Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: We've got Randy Gregory right defensive end. We'll figure out
Speaker 1: what you know, we're gonna do. We like you know,
Speaker 1: and I we like Dorrence Armstrong. Maybe we can add
Speaker 1: another defensive end in this draft. I just think maybe
Speaker 1: that's the way to go. Then trying to do this
Speaker 1: whole thing that they talked about in multiple and fitting
Speaker 1: players to a scheme, and that sounds so hypocritical after
Speaker 1: years of going, well, they're not gonna get turnovers and
Speaker 1: every team in the world knows what defense they're gonna run.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, man, Rod Marinelli, you want to
Speaker 1: come back. That's insane. That's insane, I know, but building
Speaker 1: around take that might be the best thing. You're getting
Speaker 1: riled up. I love it though. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: step aside and take our first break here on the
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Speaker 1: Beam is always doing fantastic work with the drops in
Speaker 1: the back. Now, Dave, I know in the first segment
Speaker 1: you told me to forget about Kyle pits. Well, I
Speaker 1: can't do that, So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this
Speaker 1: out there because I got a text from our actually
Speaker 1: a DM from Preston Dabs today early this morning, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was a fantastic question. He said, for
Speaker 1: argument's sake, does Kyle Pitts get this team back? To
Speaker 1: dominating in the red zone. Should they pick him at
Speaker 1: the tenth overall selection, because we've talked about the athleticism,
Speaker 1: we've talked about how good of a player and how
Speaker 1: generational of a player he could be. But offensively, you're
Speaker 1: not looking for prospects. You want to defensive prospect there ideally, However,
Speaker 1: is that a need because of the struggles in the
Speaker 1: red zone? David, you know it's a bummer, because I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody that follows my work knows that I am. I'm
Speaker 1: captain of the Blake Jarwin pain train, and I would
Speaker 1: have loved to have seen what the red zone offense
Speaker 1: looked like with him in the lineup, because I really
Speaker 1: I thought he could have been a high volume guy
Speaker 1: down there. I do, obviously, I think a guy as
Speaker 1: athletic and awesome as Kyle Pitts would obviously help you.
Speaker 1: But I do I wonder, and Dane, you can help
Speaker 1: me figure this out. I think Kyle, you know Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is he's improved as a blocker, like he can
Speaker 1: do blocker things. But that's obviously not why you're drafting him.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys are like you, I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to get out of eleven personnel. I've
Speaker 1: got three great wide receivers, so can I mean, if
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is gonna play here, it's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the line, even if it's not to block. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much they're gonna flex him out,
Speaker 1: And I wonder would that be hampering his ability? Like
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys played him that way, would he still
Speaker 1: be successful if he can't you know, flex off the line? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think he'd still be successful. But are
Speaker 1: you putting a cap on just how successful he could be? Probably,
Speaker 1: you know, because you want part of the appeal of
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is that he can line up in line,
Speaker 1: detached out wide. I mean, you're you're looking to exploit
Speaker 1: weaknesses in the defense with what Kyle Pitts offers. And
Speaker 1: if you're lining them up in the same spot down in, down, out,
Speaker 1: not creating any type of mystery there for the defense
Speaker 1: about what you're doing with them, then you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of I think you're putting a cap
Speaker 1: on just you know, what makes him so unique and
Speaker 1: so rare. I mean, Pitts, it's a really fascinating conversation
Speaker 1: with him because he's one of the top five talents
Speaker 1: in his class. I feel confident saying that. But will
Speaker 1: he be a top five pick, probably not. Will he
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick maybe not. It's hard to find,
Speaker 1: you know, the exact right landing spot for him because
Speaker 1: he's so different, he's so unique. A lot of team
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be uh necessarily on board with that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys, there's a good chance they could
Speaker 1: have a shot at him at ten um. You know,
Speaker 1: would they would they really do that? It would be
Speaker 1: it would be a pivot from what we have come to,
Speaker 1: you know, expect from this organization. So it would be
Speaker 1: a surprise, But I don't think you can completely rule
Speaker 1: it out. And to answer the question though, like what
Speaker 1: gets you back to dominating in the red zone, it's
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and I'll roll my dice, is that the
Speaker 1: red zone offense is going to be pretty good if
Speaker 1: dat doesn't get hurt last year. That's just well, one
Speaker 1: last thing on Kyle Pitts. If you want to figure
Speaker 1: out how to use them, just watch the Raiders offense.
Speaker 1: Watch how Darren Waller is used. And that's how you
Speaker 1: use Kyle Pitts, and you know it's it's not that
Speaker 1: hard to you know, we shouldn't overthink it. Just watch
Speaker 1: how the Raiders use Darren Waller use Kyle Pitts the
Speaker 1: same way, and you got a pro bowler on your hands.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. I'm sold pick him at ten
Speaker 1: and figure out from there. Now, I'm just kidding. That's
Speaker 1: not an efficient I will say, I will say, and
Speaker 1: I'm Dan obviously I think you're right, and I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not talking out of my butt here. But like
Speaker 1: the Raiders, like John Bruden is famous for using like
Speaker 1: he uses twelve personnel a lot like he is, he
Speaker 1: is not an eleven personnel kind of guy. And that
Speaker 1: goes back to my point is I would love it
Speaker 1: if they drafted Kyle Pitts. That would excite me. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, if cd Amari and Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: are all on this team and you have a guy
Speaker 1: like Kyle Pitts and you have Blake Jarwin coming off
Speaker 1: his acl and Dalton Schultz had a nice season as well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of mouths to feed for a team
Speaker 1: that likes to run eleven personnel. And I mean It's
Speaker 1: something that would definitely concern me, but I would call
Speaker 1: it a good problem to have. And also a team
Speaker 1: that has a ninety million dollar running back sitting in
Speaker 1: the backfield should he be on the roster in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one as well. So, I mean there's multiple mouths
Speaker 1: to feed whenever it talks to the offense. And we
Speaker 1: already had that conversation after Cede Lamb was selected. We
Speaker 1: had already talked about it. And if you're adding another
Speaker 1: man to the mix, that would potentially be something that
Speaker 1: it would be tough for an offense to deal with,
Speaker 1: even though you won as many talented guys as you
Speaker 1: potentially could on that squad. Okay, so justin Warner ask
Speaker 1: what position in this year's draft has the best talent
Speaker 1: and best depth? Much like the wide receiver position last year, Dane,
Speaker 1: I think wide receiver again is another one where it's
Speaker 1: and it's kind of funny how similar to it is
Speaker 1: to last year, where you know, last year we had
Speaker 1: kind of we talked about the big three with Rugs
Speaker 1: and Judy and Lamb, and we weren't sure what order
Speaker 1: they were going to go in. This is kind of
Speaker 1: similar this year. Wi Jamar Chase and Davonte Smith and
Speaker 1: Jaylen Waddle. You could make a case for any one
Speaker 1: of those three to be the first wide receiver off
Speaker 1: the board. And it doesn't stop there. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see Crystal Lava in the National Championship game going
Speaker 1: up against those Alabama corners. Uh, Kadarius Tony. Anybody watches uh,
Speaker 1: you know SEC football watches Florida. They know about Kadarius Tony.
Speaker 1: How special of an athlete he is. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position is stacked once again. And then
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about corner and edge rusher in
Speaker 1: the first segment. Both those positions are you know, it's
Speaker 1: this is not a great year to you know, if
Speaker 1: you want that elite player at the top. But there's
Speaker 1: good value in you know, the mid first, you know
Speaker 1: kind of rate where the Cowboys are going to be picking.
Speaker 1: There's good value in the second and a third at
Speaker 1: corner and edge rushers. So I think those three positions
Speaker 1: really stand out more than others. And then one other
Speaker 1: one I would say was tackle, And that's a that's
Speaker 1: a good thing for a team like the Cowboys who
Speaker 1: could look at tackle in the first round. But they
Speaker 1: could also wait to the second or third round and
Speaker 1: get a developmental guy that they could realistically turn into
Speaker 1: a future starter. I think about asked, I think about
Speaker 1: past third round picks, and we've talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins or Neville Gallimore. You know, I think there's
Speaker 1: a few defensive tackle names that might be of interest
Speaker 1: for them at seventy five. But I still think you
Speaker 1: gotta think about what are you doing defensive scheme? What's
Speaker 1: the scheme, what is your what are you doing? And
Speaker 1: I don't know that. And I think they've proven, at
Speaker 1: least the people doing the drafting, and I know the
Speaker 1: head coach has changed, they've proven they're not going to
Speaker 1: invest heavy on a nose and that could change a
Speaker 1: nose or a one technique at three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five pound Maller like, they're probably not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: But another thing that they've all also done in the past,
Speaker 1: And I think about Chaz Green, and I think of
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor a third round offensive tackle too, And that's
Speaker 1: that's where I think the tackles are a position to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it picks seventy five tackles on
Speaker 1: both sides of the football, because you know, I think
Speaker 1: the more you have to look at these offensive tackles,
Speaker 1: like Dane said, you find guys who are all we
Speaker 1: gotta be there just because you know all I guess
Speaker 1: you're gonna drafted tackle, but you can't see. Go Okay,
Speaker 1: there might be a good third round guy or a
Speaker 1: late second round, third round guy that I like. And
Speaker 1: and I also think the defensive tackle. You know, there's
Speaker 1: some guys I like that you might have to go
Speaker 1: get it Pick forty four, Washington tackle LEVI on Mouzoika,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure get close to the get
Speaker 1: his name right now. I like him more than Let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of the guys we were talking about
Speaker 1: last year who might be there at pick fifty one.
Speaker 1: We were talking about Justin Mattabek from Texas A and
Speaker 1: M I like on Mozoique's name quite a bit more
Speaker 1: than that. M J twofele of of usc is a
Speaker 1: powerful player who can you know he would play the
Speaker 1: one technique if you were running a four to three here,
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be his position. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he slips into the third round, and maybe that's a
Speaker 1: guy who would be of interest and I like the
Speaker 1: idea of that, but he had just gotta learn a
Speaker 1: little bit more about what the heck this team plans
Speaker 1: to do on defense next year. And I hope those
Speaker 1: decisions are being made. I hope they're having meetings right
Speaker 1: now and getting close to making decisions because other teams
Speaker 1: are making these decisions and they're going to be picking
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinators. Is gonna be knowing what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and the faster you get on it, I think they
Speaker 1: better haven't been to that point yet. And Scott fitz
Speaker 1: and our guy Alan both asked about it was some
Speaker 1: of the names that defensive tackles. So Katie, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you kind of went through that a little bit. Now.
Speaker 1: Jason Davis asked on Twitter and he said, what quarterbacks
Speaker 1: later in the draft have the potential to be a
Speaker 1: future starter. Now, I kind of want to preface this
Speaker 1: by saying, of course, this goes away from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: a little bit, but does it really because there's still
Speaker 1: an opportunity to draft a late round quarterback. Dane. I
Speaker 1: know we talk about Ben da Nucci last year, but
Speaker 1: we saw what Ben da Nucci brought to the table
Speaker 1: in a tough situation against Philadelphia in Week eight. However,
Speaker 1: there's I think still a chance that you pick a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that sticks out to you that could
Speaker 1: potentially be a starter somewhere down the road. A guy
Speaker 1: that I really like, and it's hard to figure out
Speaker 1: exactly where he's going to get drafted right now, but
Speaker 1: Davis Mills from Stanford, who is a former five star
Speaker 1: guy who just never quite lived up to it at Stanford.
Speaker 1: But the traits are there, and so give me the
Speaker 1: guy with the traits and let's try and figure them
Speaker 1: out and see what we have. So I don't know
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be drafted. It's probably somewhere on day three,
Speaker 1: is my guests. But all I know is I really
Speaker 1: like the raw talent and I would love to bring
Speaker 1: him into my quarterback room and try and develop them.
Speaker 1: I just want to add in the quarterback is my
Speaker 1: least favorite position to watch, so I really hope they
Speaker 1: get a deal done with Dak and I would just
Speaker 1: like to just push back. I like doing quarterbacks last,
Speaker 1: if at all possible. I couldn't really do that this
Speaker 1: year with the four guys and having a top ten pick,
Speaker 1: But man, I really love doing quarterbacks in February, worry
Speaker 1: in March, and pushing it back as far as possible.
Speaker 1: So sign Deck, it's the right thing to do. I
Speaker 1: just want to throw in like, and I mean, we
Speaker 1: were going to talk about every position at every level
Speaker 1: of the draft, but like kind of an unfair question,
Speaker 1: isn't it like how many a little bit, how many
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in the NFL were found outside the top
Speaker 1: thirty five. It's like it's like Dak Russell Wilson and
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and Gardner Minshew's not even the long term answer.
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm sorry, only the only the best
Speaker 1: of all times, right in my bad Yeah, I guess so,
Speaker 1: I mean, no, you are right, You are right. It
Speaker 1: is RAF teams. If teams knew these guys were we're
Speaker 1: gonna be that caliber, they wouldn't last to the point
Speaker 1: that they do. I will say, I just I feel
Speaker 1: it in my bones. I don't know if he'll ever
Speaker 1: be a starter starter, Like, I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: ever be somebody's franchise quarterback. But Ian Book just strikes
Speaker 1: me as the type of guy who's going to kick
Speaker 1: around the NFL for a long time. As like a backup,
Speaker 1: like a Mason Rudolph type. That's like, maybe you're not
Speaker 1: excited if he ever has to start for you, but
Speaker 1: he'll be somebody's backup for a long time. He just
Speaker 1: strikes me as that kind of guy. I feel that
Speaker 1: way about Sam Ellinger, Obviously, I don't. I don't feel
Speaker 1: that way about Ellinger at all. I'm not convinced he
Speaker 1: can play quarterback at at the next level. See I
Speaker 1: think he could well. And the fun thing about this
Speaker 1: is both of those guys are going to be at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. There's six executed quarterback invites at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Phelippe Franks from Arkansas Ian book from Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: Sam Ellinger from Texas Texas A and M's Kellen Mond,
Speaker 1: who I'm excited to kind of scout a little bit
Speaker 1: more up close. Jamie Newman, who was a Georgia transfer
Speaker 1: it to Wake Forest and he opted out of the
Speaker 1: twenty season. And then Kyle Trask, who of course was
Speaker 1: a Heisman finalist. Those are the six quarterbacks. Real quick, Dane,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about Trask? Because
Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy that people were trying to
Speaker 1: peg him as a first round pick. I know, I
Speaker 1: know he had a great season, but like I never
Speaker 1: even before Florida has started losing, I never thought he
Speaker 1: was like a Heisman caliber quarterback. But if you draft
Speaker 1: him in the third or I don't know, maybe the
Speaker 1: fourth round, like you probably feel pretty good about that. Right,
Speaker 1: he is a Mason Rudolph clone. To me, I think
Speaker 1: he is. He is Mason Rudolph. He is a sturdy,
Speaker 1: well built passer who has a good arm, not an
Speaker 1: elite arm, a good arm, but you know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of His average mobility is something I really worry about.
Speaker 1: You know, his accuracy is okay, but it can't be
Speaker 1: described as pinpoint the you know, if he doesn't use
Speaker 1: proper mechanics, his ball just lose his life and just drags.
Speaker 1: So I think Kyle Trask is a well built, a
Speaker 1: smart and tough competitor. He has natural touch as a passer,
Speaker 1: but the inconsistent mechanics, the below average mobile that just
Speaker 1: puts a cap on his ceiling as an NFL passer.
Speaker 1: So I see a Mason Rudolph and that's meant to
Speaker 1: be both a good and bad thing. So now we've
Speaker 1: got to we out of everything we've talked about today,
Speaker 1: we do know for certain we're fifty percent chance from
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl quarterbacks of finding Mason Rudolph. Thank goodness,
Speaker 1: We've got three guys that could potentially get to that
Speaker 1: point and find a Mason Rudolph. Now, Katie, I've got
Speaker 1: a question for you. This comes from JR. Young and
Speaker 1: he asked, what is the number one position of need
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys? And I know you kind of talked
Speaker 1: about the run defense and we've talked about corner and stuff,
Speaker 1: But if you had to pinpointed number one on the board,
Speaker 1: which would it be for the Cowboys going into this offseason?
Speaker 1: I just I think you have to cover. You have
Speaker 1: to cover, So cornerback would be where I'm at. And
Speaker 1: if Anthony Brown can be my cornerback flour next year,
Speaker 1: I'm happy. That's what I want, you know, So cornerback.
Speaker 1: I know people have been, you know, wanting to say forever.
Speaker 1: I want to add to safety as well. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think defensive tackle. You look
Speaker 1: at yourself and you go, is Tristan Hill as a
Speaker 1: starting defensive tackle for me next year? And then who
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods? Let me do that again? Great guy. Want
Speaker 1: him on my roster? Do I want my starters to
Speaker 1: be Antoine Woods and and Tristan Hill? You know, I
Speaker 1: know a free agency maybe there's talk of maybe they
Speaker 1: bring back Gerald McCoy if they can. But a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle is a problem. This team has shown they can't
Speaker 1: stop the run. Um that it's it's quarterbacking defensive tackle
Speaker 1: for me, and it's it's very clear. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll put linebacker at three there if they do what
Speaker 1: they probably should do post June one, cut Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: and kind of start over there as well. And building
Speaker 1: block being a building block around a Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: So quarterbacking dteam. Man, I like it. I think that's
Speaker 1: that's where the Cowboys need to start day. Do you agree?
Speaker 1: I definitely. I mean I think it's cornerback and then
Speaker 1: you fill in the rest however you want, honestly, and
Speaker 1: that I mean again this conversational change, because even though
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't love to spend in free agency, they're
Speaker 1: still I mean, they're gonna you know, they add free
Speaker 1: agents every year. They will this year too. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in love with my options at safety.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just haven't dug into that position enough yet.
Speaker 1: But this they you know, they need at least one
Speaker 1: starting caliber cornerback out of this draft class in my opinion,
Speaker 1: which is like I mean, if I had to guess
Speaker 1: right now, I just think it makes way too much
Speaker 1: sense for that number ten overall pick to be one
Speaker 1: of those cornerbacks. So yeah, no, I agree, And then
Speaker 1: I mean, you can fill in the rest however you want.
Speaker 1: I I agree with everything Katie said. It just depends
Speaker 1: on how they want to play it. Like will Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith be part of their plans? I have no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is it crazy on my side to think that
Speaker 1: defensive tackle is more of a specific need. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying draft one at ten. I think corner has to
Speaker 1: be the pick at ten or at least somebody that's
Speaker 1: going to be a starter, game changer type of talent,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's a defensive tackle at ten
Speaker 1: that could do that. But just in the fact of
Speaker 1: the run game, I mean, the corners weren't the fact
Speaker 1: that you couldn't stop the run. It was your defensive
Speaker 1: tackles and it was your linebackers. So for some reason,
Speaker 1: I put in terms of needs and just based on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, not not even looking at the draft class,
Speaker 1: I would put defensive tackle just slightly above corner because
Speaker 1: I think, like Katsy said earlier, you feel good about
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs, you feel good about Anthony Brown being a
Speaker 1: guy that you could bring back and be a starter.
Speaker 1: But is it crazy for me to put defensive tackle
Speaker 1: in front of corner, even though I know Corner's probably
Speaker 1: the more likely and more logical first round pick. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it's crazy. I think the
Speaker 1: answer to the answer to the question is defense. That's true.
Speaker 1: I think I could make a really strong argument for
Speaker 1: every single position on defense. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: there is not a clear cut answer here. I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, you could make a case that
Speaker 1: it's defensive tackle, but I think I can also make
Speaker 1: a really strong case as linebacker. And you know it,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many And that's why I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know, fans should be too upset about which direction
Speaker 1: they go here because they need help everywhere and it's
Speaker 1: not just a plug in play and okay, now we're
Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten defense. They need help everywhere,
Speaker 1: and maybe free agency will kind of tip their hand
Speaker 1: a little bit. I like it. I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 1: fix this team by the time we're done with this,
Speaker 1: uh this draft show. We're gonna find a way to
Speaker 1: win some games with the defense. By the time we're done,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna set the roadmap for the front
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Speaker 1: to preview, gentlemen, and I think this is exciting one
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to be a pretty darn
Speaker 1: good game. And secondly, there are a lot of draft
Speaker 1: prospects that people are going to get a firsthand opportunity
Speaker 1: to watch and do it up against great competition. And
Speaker 1: if we look back, let's just look at last year,
Speaker 1: specifically with LSU and Clemson. I know that's good memories
Speaker 1: for our friend mister David Helman over here because of
Speaker 1: LSU season here in twenty twenty. Not to bring bad
Speaker 1: memories into the freight here, but you know, there were
Speaker 1: what there was like twenty one drafted players or something.
Speaker 1: It was like a crazy number of drafted players, a
Speaker 1: lot of them some legitimate players in this upcoming championship
Speaker 1: game that the Cowboys could find a way to do
Speaker 1: later on, Dane, Yeah, here, let Dave, let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. How many over the last five years,
Speaker 1: how many draft picks do you think Alabama and Ohio
Speaker 1: State have combined to produce what would be your total
Speaker 1: throw total? Yeah, a lot between But Jane, just those
Speaker 1: two programs the last five years, what would you God,
Speaker 1: so they're probably averaging like six per program, averaging um
Speaker 1: between so six per program over five years. So and
Speaker 1: so I mean probably about sixty five if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, you're saying first rounders. No, no, just total
Speaker 1: draft picks one holy so, oh my gosh, hold the
Speaker 1: hell out of that. Okay, well, it's by far the most,
Speaker 1: the two most or the two programs that have produced
Speaker 1: the most LSU by the way, number three. Um, so
Speaker 1: it's look, it's gonna be the same on Monday night,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be you know, we don't know what the
Speaker 1: draft process is gonna look like. So for a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, the combine it starts Monday night. You know,
Speaker 1: it's time to show what what's gonna you know, in
Speaker 1: all NFL ees gonna be glued on this game. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, for say Chris o Lava, you know, how
Speaker 1: are you going to match up against Patrick's or Tan
Speaker 1: or Josh Joe? Uh, if you're Wyatt Davis or Josh
Speaker 1: Myers Ohio State right guard and center, how are you
Speaker 1: going to match up against Chris Barmore? And Christian Barmore
Speaker 1: is a chance to really help himself in this game.
Speaker 1: We've seen it in the past from these Alabama defensive
Speaker 1: tackles Marcel Darius to Ron Payne. These guys have emerged
Speaker 1: from the playoffs as legit top fifteen type of you know,
Speaker 1: we knew they were talented, but they really emerged as
Speaker 1: the top half of Round one guys. Christian Barmore could
Speaker 1: do the same thing. This draft is just dying for
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle to say, hey, take me in the
Speaker 1: top twenty. Barmore could be that guy this year with
Speaker 1: another strong performance. He's really heating up. So I mean,
Speaker 1: we could go on and on about all the players
Speaker 1: in this game because it's never ending. For me though,
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, I cannot wait to see how he performs
Speaker 1: after what he did against Clemson, the best game of
Speaker 1: his life, and it just it was so contrary to
Speaker 1: what we've seen earlier this year. You know, when he
Speaker 1: faced tough defenses during the regular season, whether it's Indiana, Northwestern,
Speaker 1: even the Michigan State gave him a little bit of
Speaker 1: a trouble. He struggled a little bit in those games.
Speaker 1: But against Clemson he was locked in. He was precise
Speaker 1: the toughness. I don't know if I could use any
Speaker 1: words to really, uh, you know, describe how tough he
Speaker 1: was in that game. How is he going to match
Speaker 1: up against an Alabama defense that is better than Clemson's
Speaker 1: and knowing that, you know, with all due respect to
Speaker 1: the Ohio State secondary, Alabama is going to put up
Speaker 1: points and so it's gonna be up to Justin Fields
Speaker 1: and that offense to continue to tack on and match
Speaker 1: point point per point. The over under is crazy on
Speaker 1: this game. It's like what in the mid seventies, So
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're expecting a lot of points
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think they're wrong. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a like a big twelve type
Speaker 1: of line for the National title game against Alabama and
Speaker 1: Ohio State, which is just crazy. But uh, there's no
Speaker 1: shortage of players in this drag and in this game
Speaker 1: that scouts to be glued glued on and I think
Speaker 1: justin fields. Uh, you know, he's kind of leading that,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't stop there. I mean, Trey Sermon with
Speaker 1: what he's done at running back the last few games
Speaker 1: has been remarkable. Former Oklahoma transfer on the Alabama side,
Speaker 1: you know, really eager to see what you know on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, Leatherwood and Deonte Brown, what can they do?
Speaker 1: Sean Waite, can he do anything? Ohio State corner? Can
Speaker 1: he do anything to kind of keep his head above
Speaker 1: water as an outside corner against DeVante Smith and maybe
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. We'll see if he plays. So you know,
Speaker 1: we can go on and on. There's just so many
Speaker 1: future NFL players on the State on this big stage
Speaker 1: that NFL teams are going to be really really interested
Speaker 1: to watch and see how they perform, because, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: body of work matters, but if you give an NFL
Speaker 1: scout truth serum, they'll tell you how they perform on
Speaker 1: the big stage. That carries a little bit more weight.
Speaker 1: And so it's really going to be important for these
Speaker 1: players to step up and show out when it matters
Speaker 1: the most. And we talked, or you mentioned a second
Speaker 1: ago about Jaylen Waddle and how he can potentially come
Speaker 1: back the wide receiver from Alabama could play this week,
Speaker 1: and what would that do for his draft shot? Excuse
Speaker 1: me draft stock and DeVante Smith's draft stock, because I
Speaker 1: mean DeVante Smith whenever he's the featured piece, even of
Speaker 1: course went off and won a Heisman. But I mean
Speaker 1: some would argue that Jaylen Waddle was the more impressive player,
Speaker 1: at least from an NFL prospect level early on. Is
Speaker 1: that something that potentially could see shift a little bit
Speaker 1: depending on how Waddle plays in the championship game. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd be surprised, just because if Waddle can
Speaker 1: even play, I think he'll be on a pitch count.
Speaker 1: You know, we might only see him play ten fifteen snaps,
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know that here's necessarily anything
Speaker 1: he can do in this game that's going to change
Speaker 1: your opinion based off of what we already know right now.
Speaker 1: I think it just really comes down to what you're
Speaker 1: looking for at the receiver position. If you know DeVante Smith,
Speaker 1: he's you know, obviously extremely talented. But if you have
Speaker 1: concerns about that body holding up, that's, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: Jaylen Wattle it can do is going to kind of
Speaker 1: change that or alter that. With Jalen Waddle, He's not
Speaker 1: as polished as as DeVante Smith, but I think he's
Speaker 1: a little more polished than say Henry Ruggs last year,
Speaker 1: who was the first receiver drafted. So both these guys
Speaker 1: are studs and I think are gonna be future top
Speaker 1: twelve picks. You can and I think of that one
Speaker 1: thing that I'm really excited to watch and Dan you
Speaker 1: mentioned his name of a minute ago, but I feel
Speaker 1: like we haven't talked about him much, And part of
Speaker 1: it is because he hasn't declared. Joe the cornerback from
Speaker 1: Alabama on the other side of Sir Tan like a
Speaker 1: big game. Maybe he's like, Okay, well, now I can
Speaker 1: just go ahead and declare because I mean when I
Speaker 1: watched him on tape, he is definitely a top ten
Speaker 1: corner for me. If he's going to be in the draft.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on job and he's number twenty
Speaker 1: eight by the way, for those watching the game on
Speaker 1: Monday night, what are your thoughts on Joe? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's big, he's physical. He's not the type of athlete
Speaker 1: where he's just going to be able to quickly recall. Ever,
Speaker 1: uh you know if he's caught out of position. He's
Speaker 1: not that twitchy athlete. But he's big and he's physical,
Speaker 1: and he does a really nice job being disruptive and
Speaker 1: so I you know, it's tough because when you stack
Speaker 1: these corners, um, you know Joe, Yeah, he's right there
Speaker 1: in that mix. But you know he's he's on the
Speaker 1: same in the same tier as say like an Elijah
Speaker 1: Molden or uh maybe a Greg Newsome or a Melofawn wu. Uh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is a chance because we know that
Speaker 1: Ohio State, you know Crystal Lava. I think he has
Speaker 1: there's a lot to gain for him, and but it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop there. They've got Garrett Wilson and a few
Speaker 1: other guys. So if Ohio State says we're just not
Speaker 1: gonna throw at certain, We're gonna throw at Josh Job, Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's gonna be interesting to see if it's a
Speaker 1: lava or if it's Garrett Wilson. Uh, he's going to
Speaker 1: be tested. And so this is definitely a game that
Speaker 1: you know, will affect where he is ultimately drafted. If
Speaker 1: he decides to come out, I just want to throw
Speaker 1: and Dane Dane mentioned him, but like, um, Christian Barmore
Speaker 1: jumped off the screen in the semi final. And when
Speaker 1: you think you know the caliber of offensive lineman that
Speaker 1: Notre Dame puts out like that means something to me
Speaker 1: for sure. So he he's definitely on my radar. And
Speaker 1: you know, we Dane set it up perfectly like that.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not a Derek Brown or a Javon
Speaker 1: Kinlaw in this class. So if Christian Barmore can jump out,
Speaker 1: and you know, I would love it if he's there
Speaker 1: at forty four, but maybe he can even play better
Speaker 1: than that and and go in the first round. And
Speaker 1: then I mean, I love I love a good trash
Speaker 1: talk and Sean Wade put himself on the radar this
Speaker 1: morning because he said he wants all he wants all
Speaker 1: of Davante Smith. And with what I'm gonna say, with
Speaker 1: with all due respect to him, I think he's living
Speaker 1: on his school's reputation a little bit more than his
Speaker 1: actual production. So be careful what you wish for, buddy.
Speaker 1: Give him credit for the confidence, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: that's as a corner. You got to play confident. You
Speaker 1: gotta be confident even when the season has not gone well,
Speaker 1: and there's been more negative than positive from Sean Wade
Speaker 1: this year. But I mean the Ohio State needs him
Speaker 1: to step up, and you know, maybe he'll surprise as
Speaker 1: all We'll say that would be interesting. But you talk
Speaker 1: about potentially having so many points in the over under
Speaker 1: at seventy four and a half, and I mean there's
Speaker 1: so many different offensive talented players, But does that scare
Speaker 1: you a little bit on these defensive guys. I mean
Speaker 1: on both sides, on Alabama side and on Ohio State side.
Speaker 1: The fact that there is going to be a ton
Speaker 1: of points you are going to see both of these
Speaker 1: offense have at least some sort of success. Is that
Speaker 1: just a show that these offensive prospects are a little
Speaker 1: bit better than maybe the defensive ones. Yeah, I mean that,
Speaker 1: and that's just where the game is at. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen more points scored this year in the NFL
Speaker 1: than ever before. You know, it's just it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be the trend. So you know, it will be interesting
Speaker 1: though because Alabama. We've seen Alabama his defense. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: see what Florida did against them in the SEC title game.
Speaker 1: Go back to the Old Miss game and they put
Speaker 1: up a ton of points against this Alabama defense. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's certainly talent, but it's not maybe the
Speaker 1: Alabama defense that we've seen over the years that Nick
Speaker 1: Saban has put together. It doesn't mean they're without talent.
Speaker 1: They have the talent, but as a unit, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: some question marks. Um, you know, I'm I'm really eager.
Speaker 1: And you know, going back to Christian Barmore, he's only
Speaker 1: a richer sophomore, so he's still very young. He's only
Speaker 1: he only has like four starts this year, but he
Speaker 1: leads the team in sacks with seven, he leads the
Speaker 1: team and forced fumbles with three. He's heating up at
Speaker 1: the right moment, and he's going up against maybe the
Speaker 1: top two interior offensive lineman in this draft, with Why
Speaker 1: Davis right guard and Josh Meyers at center. And so
Speaker 1: that's going to be a really interesting part of this
Speaker 1: because part of you know, justin fields. Understandably h got
Speaker 1: all the headlines after that Ohio State Clemson game, but
Speaker 1: Ohio State won the trenches and that was really kind
Speaker 1: of the difference in that game on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. Their defensive line tore up that clumpson offensive line,
Speaker 1: and they won't be able to necessarily do that to
Speaker 1: Alabama's offensive line, especially or even with Lannon Dickerson out
Speaker 1: their center, who's outstanding. You know they'll be missing him,
Speaker 1: but even with him out, it still won't be that way.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, that Alabama defense, that
Speaker 1: front seven, they'll give Ohio State's offensive line a little
Speaker 1: more trouble than clumps into it. Yeah, Barmore's tape, the
Speaker 1: second half of his tape of this year is a
Speaker 1: water burger. The first half of this season Barnmore's tape
Speaker 1: is your friend who can't cook's burger from the grill. So,
Speaker 1: like you know, a since first round tape, on the
Speaker 1: back half, Dana, I do want to want you to
Speaker 1: talk about two guys. Alabama and Ohio State have two
Speaker 1: guys at linebacker, and that's a position we might be
Speaker 1: needing here. Dylan Moses, who had first round ceiling last
Speaker 1: year and then blew out his knee and hasn't looked
Speaker 1: the same. And then Browning from Ohio State. You know,
Speaker 1: those are two guys Cowboys. Vin's gotta keep an eye
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Definitely definite. And I would probably I
Speaker 1: would even throw Pete Warner in their Ohio State linebacker
Speaker 1: because he's just he's so dang versatile that you know,
Speaker 1: you can you can use him in so many different ways.
Speaker 1: He can, you know, play any of the linebacker positions,
Speaker 1: the coaches have said, because he's he's so smart and
Speaker 1: he's so athletic that they can pile as much as
Speaker 1: they want on his tape or on his plate, and
Speaker 1: that shows on tape. So Pete Warner, I thinks in
Speaker 1: that discussion as well. But yeah, Barret Browning, he's got
Speaker 1: all the traits. He always has. Texas kid who four
Speaker 1: or five star? What's that worth kid? He went to Kenady, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and so He's always had the talent, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of the mental part catching up, and he still needs
Speaker 1: to anticipate a little bit better. But he has gotten
Speaker 1: better and better every year. He could play man coverage.
Speaker 1: So watching him going up against Nagy Harris, who we
Speaker 1: know is an excellent pass catcher out of the back,
Speaker 1: that will be an awesome matchup to watch. And then
Speaker 1: you know with Dylan Moses, you know he as a
Speaker 1: as a what a sophomore, he looked like a future
Speaker 1: top ten pick, explosive athlete, just kept making plays. Then
Speaker 1: he had the knee injury, and this year he just
Speaker 1: has not looked the same, like Hayt said, And you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's him struggling the hold or to hang with
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, which you know nobody really can, or if
Speaker 1: he's just you know, taking wrong angles to the football.
Speaker 1: He is is still in that top fifty discussion, but
Speaker 1: he just doesn't look like the same player. And so
Speaker 1: going up against Trey Sermon, who I mean Trey Sermon,
Speaker 1: who is putting together one of the best three four
Speaker 1: game stretches we've seen a running back in a long time,
Speaker 1: and he's averaging nine point one yards per carry the
Speaker 1: last three games. What can he do against Dylan Moses
Speaker 1: and at Alabama defensive front that that'll be another major storyline,
Speaker 1: not only for the outcome of this game, but also
Speaker 1: for NFL scouts. So there's your homework assignment, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Is watched these linebackers in the National Championship Game, number
Speaker 1: thirty two, Dylan Moses for Alabama and then Baron Browning
Speaker 1: number five, the linebacker for Ohio State, who, like we
Speaker 1: said a moment ago, I also like his size going
Speaker 1: up against Najay Harris Danny because I mean six three,
Speaker 1: two forty he looks the part of a bruiser linebacker
Speaker 1: and I long too. Yeah he is. He's got some
Speaker 1: long arms, and I think he's got somebody or he
Speaker 1: is somebody that could slow down Naja Harris and his size,
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a fantastic matchup. But that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here on the Draft Show today.
Speaker 1: We will be back on Tuesday as Dave Hellman will
Speaker 1: rejoin Brian brought Us and Bucky Brooks for that show,
Speaker 1: and then Katie and Dane will be back with Jeff
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