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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two eighty three,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, I'm joined by my buddy,

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Speaker 1: Josh Further Hilliard and my father to discuss our hopes,

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Speaker 1: dreams and plans for restoring and reviving our family deer camp.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the wire Hunt Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Onyx And as you just heard me say

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Speaker 1: a second ago, I'm going to be joined here in

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Speaker 1: a minute by my dad and my buddy Further to

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Speaker 1: discuss a little bit of the history of our family

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Speaker 1: dear camp from a habitat standpoint, we haven't really done

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Speaker 1: that before, and then talk about how we're trying to

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Speaker 1: build things back up, kind of trying to get back

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Speaker 1: to what it used to be er hopefully even better. Um,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot to talk about. There a lot

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Speaker 1: different projects we've been working on. We we met with

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Speaker 1: a Forrester here recently, so I want to share all

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Speaker 1: of that. But before that, I do want to let

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Speaker 1: you know that yes, we are taking a break from

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Speaker 1: this series that we kicked off three weeks ago, in

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Speaker 1: which we've been examining different lessons about peak performance from

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Speaker 1: outside the hunting world and then exploring how those routines

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Speaker 1: and practices and ideas can be applied into the hunting world. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're taking a break here today, but don't worry, We're

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Speaker 1: going to be continuing. We're gonna get more episodes like

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Speaker 1: this very soon. I'm in the works trying to get

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Speaker 1: more scheduled out, so keep an eye out for that,

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Speaker 1: because we've been getting a lot of great feedback and

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Speaker 1: I personally have just really been enjoying these topics too.

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't yet listened to episodes two one

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Speaker 1: and two eighty two, I'd highly recommend you go check

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Speaker 1: them out. Just as a refresher into eighty we discussed

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Speaker 1: the power of habits and how habits and how creating

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Speaker 1: good bits can help us gross hunters. In two eighty one,

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Speaker 1: we spoke with Olympic gold medal winning skier David Wise

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Speaker 1: about how his training and different routines that have helped

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Speaker 1: him achieve professional athletics success can also translate to hunting,

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Speaker 1: and in two eighty two, I spoke with author Brad

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Speaker 1: Stahlberg about his research into the science of pe performance

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Speaker 1: and passion and what all of that can mean for

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Speaker 1: pursuits as hunters. And man, I just think I think

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Speaker 1: the ideas covered in these last three episodes they might

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Speaker 1: be some of the very most important that we've ever discussed.

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Speaker 1: You know, how to execute on goals, how to be

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Speaker 1: mentally tough, how to handle high pressure situations, how to

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Speaker 1: keep your passion for hunting from going overboard, how to

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Speaker 1: develop good habits. You know, all this stuff. Probably more

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Speaker 1: than some new trail camera tag or more than some

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Speaker 1: hunting strategy. These things, I think are what will really

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Speaker 1: help you take your hunting to the next level. So

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to those if you haven't now. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: last episode, Just been thinking a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking so much about, you know, how to

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Speaker 1: be a peak performer, how to do all these things

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Speaker 1: to get better at this, to get better at that,

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Speaker 1: to develop a better life that's gonna help you as

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Speaker 1: a hunter. YadA, YadA YadA, all these ideas, all these

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Speaker 1: practices and ways to take control of your life. Develop

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Speaker 1: mental toughness, develop physical toughness. You know, none of that

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Speaker 1: stuff is easy. And if you're at all like me,

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Speaker 1: you you so badly want to be the best hunter

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Speaker 1: you can be, and you want to see positive results

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Speaker 1: And I think there's there's this human tendency, or at

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Speaker 1: least I follow THO sometimes that you don't you hear

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Speaker 1: it's really easy to to hear and to see these

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Speaker 1: people and think, oh, man, I can never do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not good enough. Or maybe you try to

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Speaker 1: you're not as good as the person you heard in

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Speaker 1: But it's just so important to remember that we all

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Speaker 1: I think that's okay to say that, to to acknowledge it,

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Speaker 1: to just let it, to let it kind of slip

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Speaker 1: We all do it. None of us have it all

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Speaker 1: Not to be perfect, take a deep breath, and then

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Speaker 1: or describers, but Hunting is this model of how we

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Speaker 1: have to keep on chipping away at, chipping away at,

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Speaker 1: Further and my dad, David Kenyon. Alright, so first I

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Speaker 1: want to thank our friends at Vortex Optics. As I've

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Speaker 1: using a number of the different products over the last year.

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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do. Last year, Um, there's a

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Speaker 1: I got the Vortex Viper HD spotting scope. I set

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Speaker 1: especially in the summer, at least getting an inventory the

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Speaker 1: bucks available Man High Quality Spotting scope is a great tool.

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Speaker 1: I had great results of the Viper h D, and

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Speaker 1: then I also used the Razor HD on my Mexican

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Speaker 1: So definitely think those are options worth checking out, and

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Speaker 1: have planted, but at the time, I mean, it was

430
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: really well intentioned and he was up here just trying

431
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: to be a steward of the land and I was

432
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: that was a big fan of blue spruces. So we

433
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 1: have blue spruces everywhere. And one of the things we

434
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: heard from the forest or today is they aren't native

435
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: to Michigan and they really aren't the best tree for it. Yeah,

436
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, but it is. It is kind of wild

437
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: if you if you look out there, how big those

438
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: trees are now. And you can look on on our door.

439
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: We have this door full of pictures and there's a

440
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: picture of GP planting those trees, you know, in that

441
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: field is wide open. He's playing these little tiny seedlings,

442
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: little saplings ten inches tall or something. And that was

443
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: I'm like that was in the nineties, So in twenty

444
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: some years, twenty five years, thirty years, I mean he

445
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: grew a forest almost which well we buy to three

446
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 1: trees at a time. Believe me, I was out there

447
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: shoveling and planning, you know, for hours. He even brought

448
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: Grahama out there. Yeah. So, so I feel a little

449
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: bit bad that I'm now trying to undo his work.

450
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: But I think I hope he knows that our intentions

451
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: are are good because because yeah, so, as you mentioned,

452
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: he was a little reluctant about some of these things,

453
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: and I understand, um, but uh, you're right. I tried

454
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: to plant the food plot along the a TV trail.

455
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: I got approval, I started raid to try to kill

456
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: some of the ferns to plant, and I think before

457
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: I was able to plant that, he came back. He

458
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't want you to do it. Um.

459
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: So so that was all right, you know, I, um,

460
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: that was fine. But I also know that something Grandpa

461
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: always cared a lot about, and something he always wanted

462
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: was for you know, for the wildlife to flourship here

463
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: for us, and for his family and friends to come

464
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: up here and enjoy it and spend time here, and

465
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: so I think what we saw over the last twenty

466
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: five years was a slow decline in how much people

467
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: want to come up here because people we weren't seeing

468
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: deer anymore. So different members of our camp slowly stopped

469
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: coming up. Um, we stopped coming up as much because

470
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: you've got limited time, limited time to hunt. If you're

471
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna come up and spend a couple of days a hunt,

472
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I could go somewhere down south

473
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: and I could see two dozen deer and I've got

474
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: a great chance of shooting something. Or I could go

475
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: up to the cabin and I won't see a deer

476
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: at all. Um, you know, it becomes harder to justify

477
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: that from like a hunting standpoint at least. So eventually

478
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: we started saying, hey, we got try to turn this

479
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: ship around. We need to try to revive this or

480
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: restore what was once a really really uh robust place

481
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: as far as the amount of animal life you would see,

482
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: and now we just weren't seeing it. So maybe six

483
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: seven years ago, how long ago do you think it

484
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: was that that we actually started making changes? Six years Yeah, Yeah,

485
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it was that long ago. I think

486
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: it was more like maybe five five years ago and

487
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: we started cutting the first food pot. Yeah, so five

488
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: or six years ago. And um and and again I

489
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: bramped the fact that I think Grandpa would be okay

490
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: with that because at that point, you know, he wasn't around.

491
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: But we I think the things we have done have

492
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: been with um like his his legacy hangs over this

493
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: place so much, right because this was his place that

494
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: he built, not literally built the cabin, but built what

495
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: this place means. And and UM, I think we've tried

496
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: to make changes in the spirit of what he would

497
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: have wanted. Well. In fact, that very first food plot

498
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: that we did was exactly that same field that Grandpa

499
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: used to sit in, um, you know, late nights during

500
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: deer season and shot many of his deer. So and

501
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: that it turned into a young forest. So we essentially

502
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: restored that to uh, to a food plot, to you know,

503
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: to a grazing in a browsing area. So I agree

504
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: with you, Mark, all right, I want to take another

505
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: quick break to thank our partners at First Light for

506
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: their support of this podcast, and I want to let

507
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,760
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508
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: just over the past I don't know half yearor so,

509
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: which is their new sawbuck brush pant. This is a

510
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a hybrid pant. Half of the

511
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: pant is like a light, stretchy, really comfortable, breathable fabric

512
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: that comes from it's very similar to the corrigate guide

513
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: pant um. And the other half though, is what's interesting

514
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: is it's like a really heavy double night a long

515
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: type panel like canvas pant that you would see for

516
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: maybe bird hunting or working through the brush. Well, this

517
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: pant has those panels in the front. And what I

518
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: wasn't sure about what with the soft stretchy stuff on

519
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: the back get ripped up in thorns and brush, or

520
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: could the pant handle you know, shed hunting or working

521
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: out in the summer scouting and doing things like that.

522
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: And I was pleasantly surprised to find I used all

523
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: this past spring shed hunting and now I'm using it

524
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: on these scouting trips in the summer and different habit

525
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: at work and stuff. The holding up really well. They're

526
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: very comfortable but tough. So thinking the saw about brush

527
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: pant is gonna be a great all around white tail

528
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: offseason project pant. I'd highly recommend checking that one out

529
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: and you can learn about it at first light dot com. Yeah,

530
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: so so let's talk about what we've done so far.

531
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: Because we decided we want to try to do something,

532
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: are we we looked at what's available, like where are

533
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: the what are the weak spots. The way I kind

534
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: of started this processes is what do we have a

535
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of what don't we have? Where are we missing things?

536
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: And as we just discussed, what we used to have

537
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: was a lot of openings, a lot of edge, a

538
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: lot of food. We do not have that anymore. And

539
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: now we have almost a monoculture, not a monoculture because

540
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of different things, but we have just

541
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: cover everywhere almost on on the property as of like

542
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: five six years ago. So the first idea was, Okay,

543
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: we need to try to make some openings that we

544
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: could hopefully plant food plots. And so the first year

545
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: we just went out there, the first spot we were located.

546
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: We tried to pick a couple of places that had

547
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: relatively smaller number of trees you'd have to remove to

548
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: get some kind of clearing, and relatively younger trees it

549
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: would be easily cut out right. And that happened to

550
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: be in that old field that used to be GPS

551
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: spot where he killed that great big seven pointer that

552
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: I just looked at on the wall in um So.

553
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: I remember the first year, all we managed to do

554
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: was cut and opening, Like we went out with the

555
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: chainsaws and spent a couple of days, handful of days cutting,

556
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and that was hard work. You nearly had a heart

557
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: to couples. I just remember seeing you all red and

558
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: sweating and jeese. I don't know how do need to

559
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: sit down? Do you have any water? Glad I missed

560
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: out on that. Josh has conveniently missed all of our

561
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: work projects on the food not so far, um but

562
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: we're trying to change that now. I got you up

563
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: here today. Um So first year was just getting that open.

564
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: But you know that in itself is like a powerful thing,

565
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: because not only do we have a lack of openings

566
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: for food, but we also have a lack of openings

567
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: just as sight lines like you can't hardly see more

568
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: than forty yards anywhere in our property. So half of

569
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: our problem, maybe not half, but a little bit of

570
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: our problem that we don't see any deers simply that

571
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you just can't see him because it visually black. Yeah,

572
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure many people can appreciate just

573
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: how thick our woods and our our swamps are here.

574
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is the case that, um, you know,

575
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: you you almost don't want to bring a rifle because frankly,

576
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: they're they're wasted just a slingshot. Well, and to that point,

577
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: I went on, this would have been two years ago now,

578
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I went on and walk back into the swamp and

579
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: and saw that old GPS old stand back here, little

580
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Knox blind. I mean, you couldn't see more than ten

581
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: or fifteen yards, so just so thick back there and everything. Yeah,

582
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: you couldn't see anything. And I never knew anything different

583
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: like that growing up. I just thought that was the norm. Um.

584
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes things challenging. So having some sight

585
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: lines is certainly a nice thing too. And lots of

586
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: times growing up that would be what would determine where

587
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I would hunt when I'm walking around. Back in the day,

588
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't like for any type of reason that I

589
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: thought dear be traveling was like, hey, just find a

590
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: place where you can see a little bit and that'd

591
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: be where you sit. Um. So now the idea has

592
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: been let's create a few places like that. So that

593
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: first year would just cut and it probably wouldn't. We

594
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: weren't able to open up more than I don't know,

595
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: a quarter acre, but we got a quarter acer opened,

596
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: just chain song stuff down low, pulled all the tree

597
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: tops out, and there's a lot to clear out, like

598
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: a ton of small trees all bunched in these fields. Now,

599
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: So that was the first year, and um, we got

600
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: it open. We didn't get to plant anything, but at

601
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: least got something open and that was progress. And I

602
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: can't remember if we started trying to put lime down

603
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: or up, but I think we took soil tests that

604
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: first year, and I think we did, and I did

605
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: think we because you know, our that soil was so acidic.

606
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: Soil tests came back that I think we did, as

607
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I recall, was fIF pounds or line that we brought

608
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: in that first year. And um, the other thing we

609
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: did not do because we didn't have the right equipment,

610
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: as we couldn't de stump right, we couldn't pull the

611
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: stumps of most of those trees we cut, so we

612
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: caught him down. We cleared what we could because it

613
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: was full of you know, uh underbrush, and and everything else.

614
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: UM put down the line and at least started the

615
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: process of changing the soil acidity. Yeah, so to this

616
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: point we've did We did everything with nothing but chainsaws

617
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: and then just bringing in bags line, no tractors, no

618
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: equipment at all. UM. So the first year I just

619
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: put a bunch of line out because you said super acidic.

620
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: We knew that was gonna be a challenge. Like in

621
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: a lot of areas, even where there are some sunlight

622
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: coming in, mostly all that grows is bracken ferns. There's

623
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of other really positive stuff growing

624
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: in many places. So I knew that would be a

625
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: challenge to getting some kind of food plot growing would

626
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: be improving the soil. So that led us to the

627
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: second year. That second year we added lime again and

628
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: we tried to widen the open by a little bit,

629
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: not a lot, but we try to expand a little bit.

630
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: And then tried planting for the first time. And if

631
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, we brought in a four wheeler with

632
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: my little groundhog disc on it and trying to disc

633
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: around the stumps and stuff. So the first year we

634
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: dissed around stumps. So I think I think we came in,

635
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: sprayed once in the early spring, came back in the

636
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: late summer. There's lots of ferns grown. Again, spray those

637
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: ferns again. Then ran around with the disc behind the

638
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: four wheeler to break stuff off up a little bit,

639
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: and planted some oats and and then fertilized lime, cetera.

640
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: But you know a little bit of color to that.

641
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean that that soil was so dense because of

642
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: all the roots systems and all of the you know,

643
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: the mat that had been created. I remember we had

644
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a really hard time disking that. That was a big

645
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: challenge that first year. And it's like it's really just

646
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: not great soil either, lots of pine needles. I remember

647
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: talking to you after you guys did that that weekend.

648
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: It's like, how did it get? Like the classic frustrated Mark?

649
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: Is thatther thing? Classic? I hear that from you a lot,

650
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: so so Mark. That second year I don't recall. Was

651
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: that the year that we expanded the food plot over

652
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: to the second side of the barbell. No, so this

653
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: was just the this is the first day or the

654
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: first year we actually had something planted. Was just food

655
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: plot one at that point, and so just food plot.

656
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: One was oats and we can't. We came back in

657
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: September October, like holy smoke, something actually took. We planned

658
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: the oats and the oats came in and it was

659
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: actually really nice. We were really excited about that. But

660
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: that was it was very excited. We had like a

661
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: decently you know, there was it was patchy, but we

662
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: had something that was growing that deer would eat. For

663
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: the first time ever, we planted something that deer would eat,

664
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: and we had trail cameras running and lo and behold

665
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: they were deer coming to it. And we for the

666
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: first time ever got him ature buck on trail camera too.

667
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: So how how exciting was that when we checked those

668
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: cameras dead and you I remember this because we must

669
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: have checked those cameras for the first time during a

670
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: gun season, because on the same day we came in.

671
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I go to hunt the food plot for the first time.

672
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: And I think we've told the story again, but I'll

673
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: briefly mention it again just for those who haven't heard it.

674
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: We come in opening day, I go to hunt the

675
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: food plot for the first time. It's very exciting. I go,

676
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: I get set up. I brought in I didn't have

677
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: a tree stand set up, so I was bringing like

678
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: a mobile mobile. No, I brought in my climber, so

679
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: I shim me up the tree. And you, meanwhile, are

680
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: going to your old trusty location. You have this box

681
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: blind that's about twenty yards away from the cabin. The

682
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: whole staple gun experience. Yeah, this is the staple gun story.

683
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: But for those that don't know, it's really great. Um

684
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: so it's about maybe a hundred fifty yards in the

685
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: cabin or hundred yards in the cabin, something like that.

686
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: And and yeah, so you went out there, got to

687
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: the ground. Do you want to tell the story or

688
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: because I like to embellish it, you know, so well,

689
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: so so real Quickly you walk out to the blind

690
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, You get into it, you rummaging around,

691
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: you get settled in, and you notice that a little

692
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: bit of the carpeting on the blind, because that's how

693
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: we do our blinds up here with what is the

694
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: indoor capet, and so that was flapping around. You didn't

695
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: like that, so you walked back to the cabin. You

696
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: got a staple gun. You walked back to the blind.

697
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: You start stapling carpeting to the side of your blind um,

698
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: and lo and behold a deer arrives. Now I am

699
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: just getting to the top of my tree. I'm just

700
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: getting settled, and I'm pulling up my firearm. Um, and

701
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like three thirty or four

702
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and but womb a gun goes off

703
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: like real close to me. About crap my pants, and

704
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I thought, there's no way that's anybody. But my dad

705
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: was right here. My dad just accidentally shot himself. Like,

706
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, I am really offended. You know the first

707
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: thing that you thought. You didn't think that your dad

708
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: shot a deer. You assumed the shots. Yeah, absolutely, that's

709
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: what I thought. Well, that might go to that might

710
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: speak to the fact that we haven't been seeing Yeah,

711
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's it was exactly that. So we had like,

712
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you haven't shot one up here in a

713
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: very long time. No one shot one up here in

714
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: a very long time. And so yes, a buck. Actually

715
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: miraculous that came back. You shot the buck. It was awesome.

716
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: But um, that led to the first time over the

717
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: food plot being a very short one because I showed

718
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: me down the tree after five minutes and came over here. Um,

719
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: But what was cool as we came back into the cabin,

720
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: checked the cameras and not only did you kill the

721
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: buck that night, but there were two different mature bucks

722
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: on trail camera for the first time ever. Yeah, that

723
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: one in particular. Mark described that, well there was and

724
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: there might actually been three mature bucks. Not take it back,

725
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: because there was. We got a picture of a buck

726
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: in the summer, a velvet buck that was really wide,

727
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: really big. Impressive because the only time we saw him,

728
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: But that was cool. And then there was a buck

729
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: that came by several times in October and into November

730
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: they had a drop time. And then there was another

731
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: nice big buddy day pointer two. All that first year

732
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: with the food plot and we actually seen and never

733
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: before we were seeing mature bucks at this and that

734
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: there hadn't been a buck of the caliber of these

735
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: three deer at least I've ever been seen since. And

736
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: now we get a little quarter acre third acre food

737
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: plot in and we're getting pictures of these deer in

738
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: that food plot. So that was like, I remember you

739
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: and we were in here like hi Fi, and where

740
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: we go, Like how cool is this? Like we put

741
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: in all this work almost having a heart attack. That

742
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: was a really big step, Like it was a small

743
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: thing we did, but right away sell results and and

744
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, that was like a really exciting inflection

745
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: point and like, hey, we can do something here. We

746
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: can like Kendrovan can come back, we can change like

747
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: the narrative because for a long time, the narrative is

748
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: always kind of negative. And it wasn't just like we're

749
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: feeling negative. We also had our wives. I was going

750
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: to say, the negative narrative came from our wives. Particularly,

751
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to go hunting there. There's no dear.

752
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: They can't tell you how many times I've why are

753
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: you even going out there? What are you even doing?

754
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: Why are you going? I'm like, guys, come on, this

755
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: place means so much to us. You don't you don't

756
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: get it. So yeah, constantly dealing with that um. But

757
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: so that was year one we got that planet solved results.

758
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: Year three was I think the year where we expanded

759
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: it into the barbell shape, right, do you want to

760
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: describe that? Yeah, So food plot one, as we call it,

761
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: is the first food plot that we created. And that's maybe,

762
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: as Mark said, probably a quardreaker. So there was kind

763
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: of a natural connector from that to the second food

764
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: plot that we identified, which was a little bit further east. Um,

765
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: it was a wetter area, not as big as space

766
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: where we could easily cut out maybe a little less

767
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: than a quarter raker. But but but you know, a

768
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: nice potential area we could do. And we assume that

769
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: we could also leverage that connecting component to turn into

770
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: a you know, an additional portion of that uh, that

771
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: food plot. So um, it was a little bit easier

772
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: um to take out the small brush and that sort

773
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: of thing, but there were some pretty good sized stumps

774
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: that he had to be taken out. Um. Our neighbor

775
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: as a tractor, he came in and did some initial

776
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: clearing for us. Uh that that helped, but left a

777
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: really big mess because he really didn't pull out the

778
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: trunks of a lot of the roots. So I had

779
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: a friend who's a landscaper. Um. He agreed to come

780
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: up with his bigger tractor, a koboda and you know,

781
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: big enough to be able to pull things out. And

782
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: he spent a day not only taking care of food

783
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: plot two, but also coming back to food plot one

784
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: and helping us remove all those trunks and the big

785
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: roots and so on and so forth. So there was

786
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: a pretty significant improvement to both food plots and that

787
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: that connector in between. So I don't know how much

788
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: how much food plot area we have between the two,

789
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe a half an acre or maybe a little bit

790
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: more if you include the connector, but but there was

791
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: a nice dense space between both of them. Both of

792
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: them kind of sit um are adjacent to the stream

793
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: and there's a nice timber that deer moved through and

794
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: across the stream to both foot plots. And then we

795
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: have a um ten acres eight acres of hemlock on

796
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: the south side of both of those food plots. That

797
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: is a significant yarding space that the deer like. Yeah,

798
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: and that was that was improved the size of it

799
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: um and the probably the biggest thing was getting rid

800
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: of the stumps though really helped and just leveled outlets

801
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: made the area much easier to work with. And we

802
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: again planet oats and some buckwheat. I think that year

803
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: and again saw deer movement pretty consistently in and out

804
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: of there. Um. I remember hunting over it, and no,

805
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna remember exactly here, but I do remember

806
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: for the first year I hunted it. After you killed

807
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: your deer, I went back and I saw a decent

808
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: buck that ran through really quickly. And so every year

809
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: now since I've hunted it, maybe not this past year,

810
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: but I've seen bucks in or around it, and I

811
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: had only seen like two bucks or three bucks in

812
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: all of my years hunting here ever, from you know,

813
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: from the time I remember probably up through two thousand whenever,

814
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: this was two twelve. So are you including the three

815
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: deer that we saw over in the north when you

816
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: when you were like nine years old and you told

817
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: me that you wanted the guns so you can shoot them. Yeah,

818
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: I remember that that was one buck. That was one

819
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: buck that you couldn't see, but I could see it,

820
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: and I wanted the gun. So that's one buck. I

821
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: remember another buck I saw when I was old enough

822
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: to hunt by myself. I was hunting maybe just a

823
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards from that spot, and I had a

824
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: buck run through, So I was buck number two. And

825
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: then the third buck I ever saw was in two

826
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: thousand seven when I killed that eight point or seven

827
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: point or whatever that was up here. So those are

828
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: the three bucks I had ever seen at our deer

829
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: camp from nine to two thousand and seven, and then

830
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: we had our food plots that we put in here.

831
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, two thirteen or something

832
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: would have been the first year, and then I started

833
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: seeing a buck or two, multiple bucks every year after

834
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: that point. So again, really positive results on the trail camera.

835
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: That year we saw I think it was one mature

836
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: buck that we had a camera that year, but still cool.

837
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: It was nine point, I think Um, and I think Josh,

838
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: there was one day where I was sitting there and

839
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: saw this eight point run through and I think you

840
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: saw him about a couple hundred yards away too, right,

841
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: because you you've hunted often times I'll be hunting close

842
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: to the food plot. There's this big chunk of timber

843
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: that Dad described, and you've been hunting recently a lot

844
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: over on that side, a lot of deer kind of

845
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: transitioning through their towards the plots. It seems like, all right,

846
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: I try to pick them off before they get to you.

847
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I've noticed that. Yeah, you know what. Just another comment

848
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: real quickly one is uh, Um, not only were seeing

849
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: deer in the food plots, but we're seeing many other animals.

850
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: So we're we're seeing a lot of bear. Remember those

851
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: first few years in particular, we almost saw more bear,

852
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: and we saw deer that camera, yeah, I camera, but

853
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: we're also seeing coyote. We saw, we've seen some bobcat,

854
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of turkeys. I mean, it's just

855
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: changed the habitat, I think, not just for Dare, but

856
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: for our entire the entire ecosystem. Yeah, and it's it's

857
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: probably less than half acre. I mean it's it's not

858
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: a big thing. It's a small space, and just that

859
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit made a big difference. And another thing to

860
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: point out is that we we mentioned the beginning how

861
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: acidic the soil was, so every year we've been adding

862
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: lime and it's been getting better and better, to the

863
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: point than last year or all that year, we we

864
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: again planted things that we thought would handle that city.

865
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: So we're trying to plant things that could handle it

866
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: in tough conditions, so as oats, it was buck eat

867
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Then, Um, I guess it would take

868
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: us to them last year then, because I think that

869
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: last year was the third year stuff being planted, and

870
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: we came in again and I think we tried to

871
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: do a little bit more cutting. Like every year we

872
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: do a little more cutting expand it's a little bit,

873
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: not much, but just a little bit to get more

874
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: sunlight in. Um aligned it again, fertilized it again, and

875
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: in the August came back in disked it planted. And

876
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: this year I thought, hey, we try a blend of things,

877
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: see what might come in. So I planted oates again.

878
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: But there was also some brassicas mixed in there, and

879
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: there was also some clover mixed in there. So for

880
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: the first time ever, we were going to see could

881
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: brassicas and clover make it in miss Assidic soil? And

882
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: plots came in pretty down good again last year, right,

883
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think it looked pretty good. Um. I

884
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: don't remember if I saw a buck while hunting, um,

885
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: but you a good one. Yeah, that's not that good one.

886
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure he was coming from the food plot, right,

887
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't too far away from there. So even though

888
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: when we might not actually be seeing deer on it,

889
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: I do think that it's it's it's like a it's

890
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: one of those focal points. It's pulling deer and through

891
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: the property. Yeah, how they're using the property for sure? Yeah,

892
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: And we got some didn't have any like big, big

893
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: mature shooters on camera last year, but a lot of

894
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: deer still consistently using at a minimum, there's at least

895
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: one dough family group that is consistently there all the

896
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: time in that area. And I think that's just, uh,

897
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that's helped us tremendously during the rut because now there's

898
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a reason that bucks are going to consistently pass through

899
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: our property now because there's something to keep these doughs

900
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: there versus you know, probably in a lot of these

901
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: deers range a very large territory because there's no great

902
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: concentration of food anywhere, so they just kind of nip

903
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: and pick their way across huge swath of country. Here,

904
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: we're able to focus things a little bit more so

905
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: again we only have like a half acre maybe a food. Yeah.

906
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: Last year though came in pretty nice and we have

907
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more diverse blended stuff. We had some

908
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: braskas that came up, we had a lot of oats

909
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: that came up, UM, a little bit of buckwheet that

910
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: came up. UM. At that point, it was mostly what

911
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: you're seeing and um, lots of bears coming on camera.

912
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: And then, like I talked about last year on the podcast,

913
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I had that night where um, I had a black

914
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: bear come right underneath my stand for the first time,

915
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Um, So that was quite a

916
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: hun say, Mark, One thing I want to mention is

917
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: we actually have a third food plot two but it's

918
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: really close to the cabin. That's maybe another eighth of

919
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: an acre, maybe a little bit bigger than that. Um.

920
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: But we we've done well there in terms of the

921
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: food that that's come up there as well. And I

922
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: don't know if you think that's really changed or helped

923
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: at all in and you know, keeping the deer in

924
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: the area. But but you know, we have three total. Yeah,

925
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: I always kind of look at that. It's it's pretty

926
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: negligible what it is right now. It's it's kind of

927
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: a little patch, but it's something. Um And yeah, I

928
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: mean that is another thing that just added to this

929
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: sum total of food that we have, gives us a

930
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: little bit more so. So yeah, that's that's what we've

931
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: done to this point. All right. We we have created

932
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: little food plot openings. We've talked about a number of

933
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: different things, but something really encouraging that we just saw

934
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: we got here today. We started talking about things we

935
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: want to do with a little bit from the forestry standpoint.

936
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: So this is the first time I've been back to

937
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: the cabin since last winter, and we went over to

938
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: the food plot area, and I was kind of expecting,

939
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna have to do what we do

940
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: every year, which is replant. You know, we got annuals

941
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: and replanting every summer. Before you say that, the first

942
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: thing we have to do is get rid of the ferns.

943
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: So usually we have to spray and spray a couple

944
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: of times because they grow. So I mean usually they're

945
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: just they are everywhere. They're carpet of ferns. Get a

946
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: bunch of ferns, and so we get out there and

947
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, well it's green. And I get closer

948
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: and it's clover, and it is a lot of clover.

949
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: And so as part of our mix last year there

950
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: was some clover in there. I kind of really didn't

951
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: have high hope. I wasn't even thinking that we would

952
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: get it to them back. Not much at all that

953
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: I could see came up last fall. Um, but holy smokes,

954
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: it came in beautifully this spring. So we basically have

955
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: a perennial clover plot going on right now that just

956
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: needs to be maintained. We don't need to replant a

957
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: whole new food plot this summer, which is really nice.

958
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm shocked it's it looked really good, look really good.

959
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: So that right there is like that's the product of

960
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: what we've been doing to try to improve the soil.

961
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: There was never never would you have that growing and

962
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: that stuff before him, So that is that is really encouraging.

963
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: So we've had a nice lush food source all spring

964
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: now for the deer here, and we just pulled trail

965
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: camera cards and saw that the deer have been using

966
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: it a bunch. They've been enjoying that all spring now, um,

967
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: and now it's the continue through the summer. So all

968
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: we need to do is manage it. So I think

969
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: we need to mow it one time here in the summer,

970
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: and then when we get closer to the end of summer,

971
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll do a one time pass with a

972
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: grass selective herbicide. It's just there are some grasses growing

973
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: it and someplace is really thick, so just knock back

974
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: the grass once and then we're just gonna nurture that

975
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: clover so fertilize it um, maybe do a top seating

976
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: so go over hopefully can come up here once before

977
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: rain and broadcast some more clover, maybe some other annuals

978
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: to just fill in the gaps. We'll I'll run some

979
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: oats or cereal rye or something, maybe some Braska seeds

980
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: that will easily take just by broadcasting on top of

981
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: everything with a rain coming the next day, and that'll

982
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: fill the gaps. And we'll have this great food plot

983
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: of mostly printing the clover and then some of these

984
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: other annuals filling in the gaps. And then next year

985
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: we'll get the clover will be back and it will

986
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: probably even thicker and more less patchy. Um, And then

987
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: we'll just continue nurturing that. And that's I mean, that

988
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: makes things a lot easier for us. Plus, clover is

989
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: one of the best possible options you can have out

990
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: there because it's gonna attract deer and feed deer with

991
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: a high protein really attractive um, really attractive for from

992
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: like March or April right through the winter. You know,

993
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna it won't be quite as attractive

994
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: in December it's super duper cool, but lots of times

995
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: I still still see them hitting it right through. Um,

996
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: So that is just like I'm blown away. I was

997
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: not expecting that. I think we're all pretty excited to

998
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: see it. We were. So that's the food plot game.

999
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that it's really hard to

1000
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: carve in food plots. And even though we're seeing some

1001
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: nice results with our little half acre food, it's still

1002
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: relatively minimal and there's still like only you know, one

1003
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: or two people can be hunting around that it is

1004
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: making a difference, but it's there's so much more. I

1005
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: feel like we could be doing and we could really

1006
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: turn things around if we could create some more opening,

1007
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: some more diversity in the habitat, some more edge, some

1008
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: more food to just draw more deer into the area.

1009
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: Because right now there's a very scattered herd, but there

1010
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: are deer. But if we create a more concentrate, high

1011
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: quality food source, it would just be that much better.

1012
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: So I've started, like we started talking I think it

1013
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: was last year, maybe Dad, that we started talking about this,

1014
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: the idea of like, hey, maybe we can get some

1015
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: of this timber cut out and plant some bigger food plots.

1016
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Maybe in the center of some of this timber, maybe

1017
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: we can pull out some timber, um cut some stuff,

1018
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: create more openings, create more food plots, things along those lines,

1019
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: and spread them out so we can hunt over a

1020
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: larger area, so we can pull the ear from wider area,

1021
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: so there's more things going on. Um. But the question

1022
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: was like how do we do that? How, Like we

1023
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: don't really have the means to go and clear an

1024
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: acre or two acres of like big mature timber or

1025
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: the time. Um. So we started wondering, like, maybe could

1026
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: we find someone that would come in here? Could we

1027
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: could we do it in such a way that a

1028
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: logging company would come in and you know, maybe it

1029
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: would be cost neutral. We would get the trees taken

1030
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: out the way we wanted them to and then they

1031
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: get the lumber and maybe that'd be even exchange. Or

1032
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: maybe we can find a way that's not too crazy expensive. UM.

1033
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: So I ran that past you dead, and you and

1034
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: and you know your brother, you guys are on board

1035
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: with that, right. It seems like a good idea. UM.

1036
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: And so the next step was I'm trying to find

1037
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: like how do you find someone to do that? Who

1038
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: do you talk to? And I'm right to talk to you, Josh.

1039
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: You see, if you haven't known anyone through your que

1040
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: you make connections as far as like, we want a

1041
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: forrester to come in because basically the first step from

1042
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: I understood, is getting get a consulting forrester or a

1043
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: state forester to come out and figure out what's what

1044
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: do you have, what's available, what might be marketable, and

1045
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, if there's something there, then they can connect

1046
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: you with a either another forrester who can sign and

1047
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: set up contracts or connect you directly to a logging

1048
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: company to then do those things. So over the last

1049
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: handful months, I've been calling a bunch of different foresters

1050
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: trying to find someone that could do this. Had two

1051
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: other people I talked to but just couldn't end up

1052
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: getting them out here. What ended up being a little

1053
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge was that we have a small

1054
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: it's a small property. It's a small amount of area

1055
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: where you can actually take timber out of its right

1056
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: forty acres of which at least half of that is

1057
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: wet ground without any really decent timber in there at all, sticks,

1058
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: nasty alders and stuff. Um. So finally he was able

1059
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: to get in touch with the State Forrester, who this

1060
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: is their job to come out and do these things.

1061
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: They do it for free, like so we didn't have

1062
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: to pay a consulting fear anything. But their job is

1063
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: to come out and connect to you with you know,

1064
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: other forresters or logging companies that might be able to

1065
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: do the job that you have. So that's why we

1066
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: came here today. We came here to meet that forrester

1067
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: and he was going to walk the property with us

1068
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: and tell us what we saw or tell us what

1069
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: was going on here and what might be possible. Um,

1070
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't do either one. You guys want to walk

1071
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: what did you think that? Walk me through what you

1072
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: experienced and what your thoughts were. Well, so we walk

1073
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: the property. Um, Josh was the was a forester that

1074
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: we worked with, a very very knowledgeable, very impressed And

1075
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't Josh Hilliard. There's a different guy named Josh.

1076
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: So we'll say there's a further further came along to

1077
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: reserve and then the other Josh was for us to

1078
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: the cha. Yeah, so Josh kind of level set uh

1079
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: and and he walked us through. We walked him through

1080
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: every segment of the property, different types of training, the

1081
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: high ground, the low ground, north, south, etcetera. And we

1082
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: described both, you know, what our goals were, and as

1083
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: we did that, you know, he provided a lot of

1084
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: good information, gave us some perspective. I would say. One

1085
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: of the things that struck me um and and I

1086
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: guess this is no surprise. His perspective was really about habitat, right.

1087
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: It was habitat protection and in um um encouraging and

1088
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: providing uh, you know, opportunities to increase native forage, um

1089
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: remove and and discourage non native forage. Uh, you know,

1090
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: improve the habitat for all wildlife, not just dear And

1091
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: that was really fascinating, I thought, um and he was.

1092
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: I thought he was outstanding. So I think the information

1093
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: we've we've gathered from him was very good. And he's

1094
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: going to create a technical report that looks like it's

1095
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna be very detailed by by different components of our property.

1096
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I mean, I think we we

1097
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: didn't hear everything we were hoping we're gonna hear. But

1098
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that wasn't surprising also, so um

1099
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: but it was very good. And we're gonna pause for

1100
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: one last break to think our partners at Morton Buildings

1101
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1102
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1103
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: probably seen them all over the place. If you ever

1104
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: drive through the country, you might see, Oh gosh, folks

1105
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: are using these types of Morton buildings for hunting camps.

1106
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: They're using them even for homes. They're using them for

1107
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: storage facilities for guys. You're using for tractors, a t

1108
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: V S, side by sides, food plot equipment. UM, you

1109
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: can use them as a skinning shack, of butchering shed,

1110
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: just a place to hang out after hunting. Gosh, there's

1111
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: a lot of options you can do with those. As

1112
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I've mentioned in the past, I've always imagined having one

1113
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1114
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1115
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,920
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1117
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1118
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1119
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Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more about Morton buildings, you

1120
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Speaker 1: can visit Morton buildings dot com. So so I want

1121
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: to get more detail, UM, so we took him across

1122
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: the property to observe each different cover type is what

1123
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to see. So we came with a map

1124
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: that showed the different soil types and the property. So

1125
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: you knew there was two upland areas and then there

1126
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of lowland. So you want to go

1127
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: to these different upland areas where there was most likely

1128
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 1: to be manageable forest. And then he wanted to see

1129
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: different cover types. So, for example, there was one section

1130
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: that large stretch of pines you talked about the beginning,

1131
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: We have this big block of planted white pines UM.

1132
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: So he wanted to observe that. Take a look at that.

1133
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: He saw it. He said, hey, this is planted way

1134
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: too thick. There's we need to thin this out for sure. Um.

1135
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: That'd be good for wildlife, be good for habitat, and

1136
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: for future value of ever selling any of these trees

1137
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: um as well. So he said, you know, he didn't

1138
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: he didn't mention too many very detailed management prescriptions, but

1139
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: he did say this is a place you'd want to

1140
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: thin it and you would basically take out all the

1141
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: subordinate trees, leave all like the prime healthy trees and

1142
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: then that would open up the canopy, get more sunlight

1143
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: down to the bottom, which would allow some regrowth, because

1144
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: right now there's no white pine regrowth, no white pines regrown,

1145
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: because there's nothing coming through. The only thing that's grown

1146
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: and very sparsely. There's a couple of maples that have grown.

1147
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: And he pointed out that that is like the native

1148
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: thing that will be coming back, Like if you lose

1149
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: your pines and your hemlocks and your cedars, which right now,

1150
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: basically nowhere do we have regrowing cedars in the lowlands

1151
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: or in that pine except for in the old field. Um.

1152
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: If when those eventually die out, what you're just gonna

1153
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: give a bunch of maples coming back poland protecular, right yea. Um,

1154
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: So the first thing we saw that that stand and Um.

1155
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: Then we moved to some of the old fields that

1156
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: are now overgrown with cherries and maples and those norways

1157
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: and the blue spruces and stuff that gp planted over

1158
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: the years. Um, some white pines, cherry trees, um, stuff

1159
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: like that. And so we observed that cover type and

1160
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: took a bunch of notes and as we go, he's

1161
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: got this map, that soil map. I talked about, and

1162
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: he's writing all these notes in there about each different

1163
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: set of cover we're seeing. He observed different layers, so

1164
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: we observe what the canopy layer was, So what does

1165
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: it look like a high he observed and wrote notes

1166
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: what the mid canopy looked like, So you're young trees

1167
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: that are growing midded canopy kind of part way up there.

1168
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: And then what's growing at the ground level, So what

1169
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of forbes and bushes and things might be growing.

1170
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: And a pretty consistent thing other than the fields, is

1171
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: that we don't have a mid canopy or a ground cover.

1172
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: It's all high canopy stuff. And then you can just

1173
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: see right through all the pines. You can see right

1174
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: through all the hemlocks. You just had these couple of

1175
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: old fields that now provide some of that stuff. And

1176
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: then you've got the whole lowlands where there's all these

1177
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: alders and cedars, and then that's thick, but it's just

1178
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: really wet, thick, swampy stuff. Um. So yeah, he said, hey,

1179
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna want to thin this this pine stand in

1180
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: the old fields. He said, well, you can pick and

1181
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: choose some of these different things here. You want to um,

1182
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: pull out some of these maples. You can selective the

1183
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: cuts and maples and thin it out and make some openings,

1184
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: and there will also be the most excuse me, those

1185
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: would also be the most natural places to try to

1186
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: reopen up to put food plots in. Again, of course too.

1187
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: Um So we talked about that, and then I think

1188
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: the area though that like at least where I you know,

1189
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: one of the ideas I had. We have this like

1190
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: seven to ten acre block of mostly hemlocks, some cedars,

1191
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: just all mostly conifer trees, very mature and very dense, yes,

1192
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: big dens. And so I've always known that that is

1193
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: great yarding. It's great winter cover, like that's always been

1194
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: this place where you know, like deer going there during

1195
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: the winter, but the rest of the year it's pretty

1196
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: much a dear desert. You can see across the whole thing.

1197
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's no ground cover at all, even though

1198
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: it's seven or eight acres worth of of you know,

1199
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: uh stand, I mean you can see you right through

1200
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: a place hundred you see hundreds yards across. There's no

1201
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: deer level cover, there's no deer level food. It's about

1202
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: ten acres, so it's about a core of our entire property,

1203
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: and half of our property swamps, so we really only

1204
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: have half the property you can do anything with. So

1205
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: we've got twenty acres of of of opportunity area. Of

1206
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: that twenty acres, five acres of it is the cabin

1207
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: and the yard and the surrounding stuff. So now we're

1208
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: talking we've got like fifteen acres of mandul stuff, ten

1209
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: acres of which is this dear desert of of old trees.

1210
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: So my idea coming into us was like, hey, there's

1211
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity where we could create some kind of opening

1212
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: in there to make that whole side of property, but

1213
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: better by putting a food source over there. Um. The

1214
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: forester disagreed with me on that because he was of

1215
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: and and and I still might veto him, I don't

1216
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: really want to do it. I really want to do it.

1217
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll maybe we'll find some other options. I want

1218
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: to do some more research. But his rationale is that

1219
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the value of that ten acres as yarding covers, as

1220
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: winter Habitatfort Deer so high and so important that breaking

1221
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: it up at all would be it would be too

1222
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: much of a negative. And so his recommendation was to

1223
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: try to work on implementing food around the edges of it,

1224
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: outside of it. Um, we have very limited opportunities to

1225
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: do that, so and you've already kind of done something.

1226
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: We've done some of it. We can definitely expand that.

1227
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: And maybe the right way to do it isn't to

1228
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: put a one acre food plot in the middle of

1229
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: it over two acre opening in the middle of it.

1230
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe we just choose to do that on

1231
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: one of the edges so that you still keep this

1232
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: connected big block. You just take an acre out of

1233
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: one side. Maybe that's the way we can still do this. UM.

1234
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: But basically that was you know, kind of put the

1235
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: kaibosh on my big idea there and said that, yes,

1236
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: there is some marketable timber in there though, so like

1237
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: we could probably get something out. But he kind of said,

1238
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: like his thoughts were that we maybe shouldn't do it. It

1239
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: It would be hard to get equipment back in there

1240
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: because of the nature of the ground. It's kind of low.

1241
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: There's these big like potholes and like rises and knobs,

1242
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to describe that habitat, but um,

1243
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: but that was, you know, that was the one like

1244
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: that was kind of what I thought was gonna have

1245
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: a big opportunity area. UM. And some of his concern too,

1246
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: is that once we would get rid of that, we'd

1247
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: have a hard time regenerating that down the road if

1248
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to, UM, because stuff was getting browsed so heavy,

1249
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: like we we'd need to write plant something and protect it,

1250
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 1: tree tubes or things like that. Yeah. Underneath and his

1251
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: his thing too is like if we wanted to keep that,

1252
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: even the yard itself, that that ten acres, there's no

1253
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: regrowth at all, as you said, So if we don't

1254
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: do anything, that is going to die out and be

1255
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: replaced by something else someday. So if we wanted this

1256
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: to still be a great yarding area fifty years from

1257
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: our hundred years from now, we would need to go

1258
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: in there, take out just a couple of things here,

1259
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: take out the maples where there are maples, to open

1260
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: up some sunlight and plant hemlocks or things like that

1261
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: that hopefully fifty years from our hundred years from now

1262
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: would refill UM. So maybe that's gonna be what we do.

1263
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Maybe what we do is we're gonna go in there.

1264
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: We take a handful of little trees out here, and

1265
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: they're just enough to start regrowing some yard type stuff

1266
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: again from the ground up, and then we're gonna put

1267
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: food on the edges maybe, Um, I'm not sure exactly how.

1268
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: I think our biggest challenge still in our biggest The

1269
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: biggest reason why we haven't been able to make bigger

1270
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: food plots is that it's so timber, so thick, and

1271
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: we don't have equipment. So all we have his chainsaws.

1272
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: None of us are really good with him. Dad nearly

1273
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: had a heart attack two years in a row. I

1274
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: think the second year you had the same thing. Um,

1275
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: So we need to figure out a way two more

1276
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: efficiently both the time and money get openings made. You've

1277
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 1: got to look on your face, what are you thinking.

1278
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: I was just thinking. The way we fixed that is

1279
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: way for your your respective two boys to grow up.

1280
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: And then we got slave labor to do other cuttings.

1281
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: We got a little weight on that, though I'd like

1282
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: to make some progress before that. Um. But yeah, so

1283
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: that's where we're at right now. We need to figure

1284
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: out a way to open up these old fields some more,

1285
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: because I think we're making progress there, but it definitely

1286
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: could be much more and maybe we can get like

1287
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: basically the end The net net of our conversation in

1288
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: the forest today was like, you know, here's your your

1289
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: biggest challenge is that you have a very small amount

1290
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: of marketable timber here that someone's gonna come in and

1291
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: work with. So you gotta thin these pines. You're gonna

1292
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: take some red maples and handful of things out of here.

1293
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll take out a little bit of the edge

1294
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: of the hemlocks or something that's a relatively small amount

1295
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: of timber that the company is gonna want to come

1296
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: in and do. So maybe we can get someone to

1297
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: do that, but we're probably low on their list of priorities. Um,

1298
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: so that's where we're at. We're gonna wait and see.

1299
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna get connected with a couple of people and

1300
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: see if someone will take that job and how long

1301
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: that will take. I think the interim, I don't know

1302
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: what are your guys thoughts in the interim. I think

1303
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: because of what we experienced with the existing food plots,

1304
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we ought to go back and look at

1305
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: how we expand those food plots further. You know, one

1306
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: of the things we didn't say is that those two

1307
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: food plots are almost adjacent to that big hemlock stand

1308
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: so if we could move them even closer. Now you

1309
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: have an area where you have really heavy duty yarding

1310
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: in the winter, and you've got this hopefully much significantly

1311
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: improved UM feeding area. You know, to some extent, we're

1312
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to see what comes back from the forest

1313
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: or we're gonna have to look and see if we

1314
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: can find, you know, a partner that would help us

1315
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: do this. UM. But if we can't, I think that's

1316
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: our option. Yeah. I think there's some spots too that

1317
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: he pointed out where if we just got rid of

1318
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: some saplings and some smaller trees there there was some

1319
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: good natural brows coming up in certain spots. UM. If

1320
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: we could make that better, more open area, for get

1321
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: more sunlight to that, UM, that could potentially help us

1322
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: out and kind of create another edge. Then from we

1323
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: got the food plots and then to some natural vegetation

1324
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: that they'll they'd want to browse, and then to the

1325
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: the hemlocks. He kind of had that layered edge that

1326
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: could help and that wouldn't be a ton of there's

1327
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: nothing huge and there's a lot of just small saplings.

1328
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of red maple in there. Again. UM,

1329
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: that could be something. There's a couple of different spots

1330
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: that he pointed out that we could potentially do that. Um, yeah,

1331
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I think it's just gotta

1332
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 1: go in there with a chains or or what would

1333
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: be nice. Especially on the other side creek, we're food

1334
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: plot one and two are which essentially one connected plot,

1335
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: but like a barbell um. I was thinking it might

1336
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: be worth renting a dozer and an operator to come

1337
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: in here, because you just push all that stuff out stuff,

1338
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: and it gets through the stumps, it gets everything, and

1339
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the treason there could be easily taking

1340
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: care of the dozer much more quickly than us with

1341
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: a chainsaw. And then you're stuck with stumps, dragon tops

1342
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so high. You know, chipping a lot

1343
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: of money. Will throw in five bucks or whatever it

1344
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: is for the day to get someone to come out

1345
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: here and just say, hey, here's he could push out

1346
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: another acre acre and a half probably of of ground

1347
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: there on those food plots. And then so between that

1348
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: and then taking chainsaws and doing some selective patches here

1349
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: and there in some other spots, all of a sudden

1350
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: we could create another two acres or more openings and

1351
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: food um, and that's pretty good progress. You could we

1352
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: could more than we could more than double what we've

1353
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: got going on now, probably with some stuff like that

1354
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: afternoon to work for someone with a dozer. And I

1355
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: really like the idea that you had markup, you know,

1356
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: being able to take out a protected area within those

1357
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: hemlocks that was adjacent to the hemlocks themselves and the

1358
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: swamp on the other side, and it was closed to

1359
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: the other food plots. To me, that made a lot

1360
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: of sense. But given what we heard, given you know,

1361
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: our our goals and objectives, I think what you just

1362
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: described probably makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think

1363
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 1: for now at least, I still really wish we could

1364
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: find a way to get something on the other side

1365
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: of the property, because right now, having all like the

1366
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: good it's better than nothing. I'd rather have more where

1367
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: it is. But I'd also rather have stuff spread around too,

1368
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: so that that gives us a wider area of influence

1369
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: of which will be attracting deer and moving deer through

1370
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: different parts of the property, just so that you know,

1371
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: all of us have a better chance to seem more

1372
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: deer to um. Like, I'd love to have food source

1373
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: closer to closer to your spot, dad's a better chance

1374
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: to deer through there um and we can spread ourselves

1375
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: out and have deer path seen through a larger area.

1376
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: Now by having even one really good food source, it

1377
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: pulls deer from all over, so it is helping. Let

1378
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: it be nice to have multiple spots like that, you know.

1379
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: So we talked about food plot three, which is a

1380
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: small food plot close to the cabin. It's not a

1381
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: place where you really want to hunt, but it is

1382
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: something that would pull deer through the area. What do

1383
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: you think of expanding that? So the issue is that

1384
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: and why I really have not, you know, put too

1385
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: much time or energy into is that I don't think

1386
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: we want We don't want to have a great, big

1387
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: food plot there because already our biggest challenge, other than

1388
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: creating food, our biggest challenge is not spooking deer. And

1389
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: if you already we have certain people with we have

1390
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: a challenge with everybody getting on board with low pressure

1391
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: hunting tactics. And so if we go waltzing around all

1392
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: over the place and spooking deer, that reduces our chances

1393
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: of being able to see them during daylight. That's what

1394
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: big challenge. But what I'm here you're saying is we're

1395
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: going to bring deer closer to the camp where they're

1396
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: going to get spooked, effectively drive all the deer around exactly.

1397
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: And I don't want you don't want to do this

1398
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: like attract and repel thing, Like if you attract a

1399
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: bunch of deer to a place where they're naturally going

1400
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: to come into contact with with us and people, that's

1401
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna make things worse. As soon as we walk out

1402
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: the door to get ready to go right hunt, you know,

1403
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: in the morning, they're going to be right there. Those

1404
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: other food plots are already pretty close. Yeah they're close.

1405
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: They're they separated by a visual barrier the creek and

1406
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: timber and stuff, but yes, like there within ears distance

1407
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: you can hear um. So that's always been a challenge

1408
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: we have simply because of how big the property, how

1409
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: small the property is, where our fields are in locations,

1410
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: like that's something we're working with already. I'm you know,

1411
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: having a little patch of stuff there has been like something,

1412
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's been such an attractant that

1413
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: like we're pulling a bunch of deer and spooking them.

1414
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: I think if we try to really expand that you

1415
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: would have that risk. So anything that we were to

1416
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: try to plant on this side of the creek, so

1417
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: within this like ten acres around the cabin, if we

1418
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: do it, we need be really careful about thinking about

1419
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: ways to block it from the cabin and making sure

1420
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: we're not spooking deer. They're all time. So I always

1421
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: thought like, for example, on the far west side of

1422
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: the pines here, you can maybe try to if we

1423
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: could remove some of those pines enough to open up

1424
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: like a quarter acre or something like that, that could

1425
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: be a cool spot to put a little food plot

1426
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: because it'd be huntable for you. But we would have

1427
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: to have some kind of visual barrier to block it

1428
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: from here from the cabin. So you could do that

1429
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: maybe by cutting down a bunch of trees and leaving

1430
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: all the tree tops like form wall of tree tops

1431
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: that visually block it. Stuff like that. Um So I

1432
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: think there's some creative solutions, but there's gotta be enough distance,

1433
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: and there's gotta be some waste to block it, and

1434
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: and then we have to be thoughtful about how we

1435
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: approach it, because again, you don't want a food plot

1436
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: that we have to walk by every time you're leaving

1437
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: or coming by whatever, I'm just spooking all the deer.

1438
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: And that's I think like that continues to be our

1439
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: biggest challenges. I think deer very quickly catch onto when

1440
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: we're here, and so the best hunts, I was it

1441
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: the first day you're here, and then it usually goes

1442
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: down subsequently, unless you've got like you know, in the

1443
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: rut and stuff. They'll be deer coming from long distances

1444
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: and they'll pass through not realizing it. But your core dear,

1445
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: your local deer herd is going to move in daylight

1446
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: close to the cabin less and less as we make

1447
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: a ruckus and stuff. So that's why i'd be nice

1448
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: to have habitat improvements further away from the cabin that

1449
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: we can be hunting and taking advantage of that aren't

1450
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: as impacted by our presence. So one thing we've you

1451
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: and I have talked about Mark a little bit is

1452
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: in the interim things that we could do is it

1453
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: is so thick back here, you know, take a chainsaw

1454
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: and go into some of these thick areas and just

1455
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: kind of carve out some trails shooting basically well or

1456
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: or deer trails to where you're kind of influencing. You

1457
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: know where they're going to be traveling. You can kind

1458
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: of dictate where you want them to go with how

1459
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: thick it is. If you clear some openings, they're they're

1460
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: likely to use those um dear creatures of least they

1461
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: want the path at least for this resistance. So it's

1462
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: true you can find some ways to influence. You might

1463
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: attract dear, but you can find ways to funnel deer.

1464
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: But again, it's like any way to concentrate deer activity

1465
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: in some small ways helpful here. Well. And you know,

1466
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: the other thing we really haven't talked about much, which

1467
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: is kind of what you're alluding to, Josh, is are

1468
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: the things we can do to our property that would

1469
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: enhance the movement of deer on the adjacent state property

1470
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: that we could hunt. Uh, yeah, I don't know about that.

1471
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is like, we can't influence

1472
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: the public land, of course, so the only things we

1473
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: can do here is like make this as as attractive

1474
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: of a thing as we possibly can. But then you

1475
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: could hunt the public land surrounding us as deer passed

1476
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: through the public land to our spots absolutely, But it's

1477
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: just a matter of in a perfect world, we'd have

1478
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: more attractant of some kinds of food, because that's the

1479
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: thing that's not everywhere else. So if we could have

1480
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: multiple food sources on our property, on different sides of

1481
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: our property, that would pull deer from all sides of

1482
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: the public surrounding us, then you have the opportunity to

1483
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: hunt that public and catch them passing through, hunt all

1484
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: sides of our property and catch them passing through heading

1485
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: to these core regions on our farm that do have food. UM.

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: And so that's what we're doing on a very small scale. Now.

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Speaker 1: We just need to get some more openings made to

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01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: increase that. I think that's the big thing, the big challenge.

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Speaker 1: And we're making progress though a little by little, making progress. Yeah,

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: we are. It's significant and that is that is encouraging. Yeah,

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: it's exciting. It's great to see. You know. When we

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01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: looked at the trail camp pictures today, I was really

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: excited to see what we saw. We saw a number

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: of um. There was that one deer mark that you

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: saw maybe it was in March, hadn't to um and

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a set of antlers because he had out

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: to drop them. But it was a big bodied, mature deer.

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: There was no question that was a buck um and

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 1: a big buck. So I mean, I think we're we're

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Speaker 1: making progress. So uh So, my my dream is, like

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01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, my big goal this is

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: by the time ever son is old enough to like

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: shoot a deer, that this would be to a point

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01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: where he could really realistically have an opportunity to come

1505
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: up here be a deer camp and there was like

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: a great chance that he could shoot a deer, like

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: he'd be excited to go out for opening a day

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: because yeah, like last year we had two bucks on

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: the pole and the year before that Dad's shot in

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01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: the year before that, Grampa showing My hope is to

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: have it back back to what it was like in

1512
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: the early nineties when I first came up. You know,

1513
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: there's a picture we talked about this last November in

1514
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: our podcast. There's a picture um with two deer, at

1515
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: least two deer on the buck pole behind the cabin,

1516
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: and a little mark in his orange standing underneath them,

1517
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: looking up at the deer with his face and awe

1518
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: of what it would be like to shoot those deer.

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: That's I think what you're talking about. I'd like that today,

1520
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: and then I guess we gotta make sure it's around

1521
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: for Josh's a little one too, right, what are we

1522
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: going to call your little one? If you're you know, Frankfurter. Yeah, right,

1523
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: there's a baby further further junior or something Murder Junior

1524
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: and Oscar Meyer. I think my wife's gonna have a

1525
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: problem with that. But yeah, I don't know, that's that's

1526
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: my dream. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean that's

1527
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, I've I don't think we

1528
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: said any but I do have one on the way,

1529
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: a little boy in the way, So I mean that's

1530
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: that would be awesome to have a spot up here

1531
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: that you know, I haven't been coming for very long,

1532
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: maybe six seven years, but it's been a really special

1533
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: place for me to come and to have him have

1534
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity to come up here and talk about what

1535
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: you were saying with Everett, to have those same sort

1536
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: of experiences with him would be awesome. Yeah, from what

1537
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: about you did, well, I'm just thinking, as we're talking

1538
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: about this, how excited I am to be able to

1539
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: experience that all over again and uh. You know, you

1540
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: know what, probably the worst thing that could happen to

1541
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: Ken Rovan would be for us not to have the

1542
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: next generation love to hunt and love to come up

1543
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: here and love to experience the things that we're experiencing.

1544
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: And I think what you guys are doing and what

1545
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and then I know the way you're gonna,

1546
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, introduce your kids to um uh, to the

1547
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: place and to the woods and to the area around us,

1548
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: they'll have the same love. Because you know, quite honestly,

1549
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about, you know, what's gonna happen

1550
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years. Who's gonna who's gonna take care of

1551
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: the place, Who's gonna want to come up here? You know,

1552
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: especially as the number of people that are hunting and

1553
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: fishing continues to decline, at least in Michigan. You know, um, um,

1554
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: this is important to me. I know it's important to you.

1555
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: And I'm just so thrilled to hear that you you

1556
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: plan on, you know, having your kids here and and

1557
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: and making it their own. So hopefully before I die, um,

1558
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to see your kids get a

1559
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: couple of you know, monstrous bucks and be able to

1560
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: celebrate that with you guys. That'd be pretty cool, a

1561
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: lot of fun. You know. Well, I think I'll try

1562
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: to be conserved here. I'm pretty modest. I'm quite a

1563
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: realist when it comes to a lot of things. So

1564
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: my guests that ever will shoot his first monstrous buck

1565
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: within four years as well, I think I think that

1566
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: will pride anyway, he'll put his first of wall hanger

1567
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: on their legs. Yeah, we're talking about that yesterday. I

1568
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: remember when you were four years older, I guess that'd

1569
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: be five years old, and I brought you out to

1570
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: the blind out here about to yards north of where

1571
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: we're sitting right now, and that blind that Grandpa had

1572
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: built for us, which was a nice box blind, and

1573
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: Mark marks like five years old, and he's down on

1574
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: the bottom of the blind playing with toys and doing

1575
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: his thing, and here I'm up there trying to looking

1576
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: for a deer. Right. Every once in a while, Mark's

1577
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: head would pop up and say, just hear Derry got dead?

1578
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: Where's the deer head? Yeah, let's let's be real about this.

1579
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: We know that I was playing on the floor and

1580
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: you were sleeping. It did change pretty quickly. I will

1581
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: admit that. Yeah, I think I became really trying annoyingly

1582
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: bossy in the woods at an early age. Well, I

1583
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: had a pretty right page six seven, eight years old.

1584
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: We were sitting in the same place for sitting now

1585
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: when you'd be reading the Outdoor Life and the you know,

1586
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: the various magazines telling us everything about deer and you

1587
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: know their habitats and their patterns and habits and everything else.

1588
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: You should have seen this whole career coming death and

1589
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: the Boston nous is stuck with hasn't changed with it all. Right, time,

1590
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: it's time for you stop talking, Josh, and I think

1591
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: that that will end the podcast. Thanks guys, Let's come

1592
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: back and do this one again this fall, hopefully over bigger,

1593
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: better habitat improvements. And maybe I was just saying yesterday,

1594
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: I think this is the your dad, that you're gonna

1595
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: kill an eight pointer up here excited. So maybe we

1596
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: should record a podcast right after that. That Ben alright,

1597
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: that's a plan, and that we'll do it for today.

1598
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed these stories

1599
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: and a little bit of insight into what we've got

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01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: going on up with our deer camp. Hopefully have a

1601
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: lot more stories to share in the coming months and

1602
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: years as we continue to progress down this road of

1603
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: trying to rebuild this really special place for us, and um,

1604
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll learn some things along the way that

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: I'll be sharing, So make sure you're staying tuned on

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01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: the wired don Instagram account. That's where I'm sharing a

1607
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: lot of these stories, a lot of quick videos and

1608
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: stuff there as well as our Facebook page. And UM,

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: I think with that, I'll let you go. Thanks for

1610
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: joining in, thanks for being a part of this community,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.