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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump's board of pieces official

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Speaker 1: fund has received zero dollars despite billions being pledged. Sure,

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Speaker 1: we have such a great show for you today. Ms

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Speaker 1: naw's Ali Velsche stops by to talk about Trump going

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Speaker 1: into the mid terms with a slight filled with bad candidates.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Semaphor's Dave Weigel about the trends

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Speaker 1: he's seeing in the primary field.

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Speaker 2: Somali, we knew it was going to happen. Ken Paxton

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Speaker 2: has prevailed against John Cordon, unprecedented loss in the modern Narra.

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Speaker 2: It's been half a century since we had something like this.

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Speaker 2: But there was lots of other interesting things down in Texas,

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Speaker 2: including a anti Semitic sex therapist who is like half Maha,

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Speaker 1: I just want to pause for a second to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Cornin Paxton race runoff. One hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: million dollars spent on a Republican against Republican primary that

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Speaker 1: pitted an incumbent who could theoretically win in a more

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Speaker 1: an appealing centrist. I mean, I don't find him appealing.

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Speaker 1: He votes with Magga ninety one percent of the time,

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Speaker 1: but he has some sort of actual values that aren't

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Speaker 1: just I love Trump versus Ken Paxton, who has been

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Speaker 1: impeached but not removed. He is has numerous allegations of adultery,

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to vote in impeachment and if you

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Speaker 1: are married to the person who is being impeached. That said,

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Speaker 2: I like the detail that she's divorcing on biblical reasons.

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Speaker 1: Biblical reasons. You know what that means? Not good?

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Speaker 2: You don't you know what it means. It's a thing

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Speaker 2: I never hear of any what we know having events

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Ken Daxton is like a laundry list.

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Speaker 1: He makes Donald Trump looks look like a really good

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Speaker 1: mainstream candidate. You know, he's trumpier than Trump and By

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Speaker 1: the way, the New York Times has some really good

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Speaker 1: reporting on Paxton. He has grown his net worth in

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Speaker 1: a way that would make Paul Pelosi pretty jealous.

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Speaker 2: I like the interesting fact that one of Betto's big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not wrong. Tell Rico's campaign has taken

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Speaker 1: that mean he'll when Who knows, But they definitely have

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Speaker 1: really tried all of these things. It's also really interesting

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Speaker 1: Campaign arm had been supporting Cornin up until like really

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Speaker 1: remember Trump's whole thing is like, yes, he's doing his vendettas,

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Speaker 2: Yes, So speaking of Colin already he unseated Rep.

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Speaker 2: I agree. So the DCC has received a lot of criticism,

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Speaker 2: So we have one of the greatest self inflicted injuries

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Donald Trump, when not launching foreign wars that

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that we could have seen

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because like the haunt of virus, the

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Speaker 1: this is not a great moment. But first the news.

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Speaker 1: Ali Velshi is an anchor from is now as well

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Speaker 1: as the co host of emmas Now's YouTube live show,

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Speaker 1: It's Happening with velchi enruled Welcome and welcome Ali Velshi.

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Speaker 3: It is good to be with you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It's fun for you to come on my show, so

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Speaker 1: that then I can go on your show, and that's right,

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Speaker 1: and we can talk about totally different So Texas Primary,

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Speaker 4: It seems he's acting like he doesn't care about the midterms,

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's the thing he said. Now keep in mind

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Speaker 4: because people have been through impeachments a lot with Donald

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Speaker 4: If the House impeaches him, the Senate won't convict him,

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Speaker 4: he has a very personal reason. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's very much like Benjamin Nettaniello.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's got a.

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Speaker 4: Very personal You're gonna hate him, but you can like

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Speaker 4: him whatever. But he's the very important reason to want

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Speaker 4: So I don't know why he's not interested, but he's

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Speaker 4: clear whether that's going to result in election victories. In

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Speaker 4: Texas was a very good illustration of that.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because my theory of the case is

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Speaker 4: Right, He's got one thing in front of him. And

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Speaker 4: I think in his defense, it might be a little

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Speaker 4: just too much. It's too much information. I can't think

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Speaker 4: that Paxton might win. Now, I will say, if you

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Speaker 4: in some case, remember Donald Trump had an opportunity. The

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Speaker 4: first primaries in Texas were March third, right, he had

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Speaker 4: an appetition March third to have said I support you know,

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Speaker 4: I support John Cornet, and he didn't, and he didn't.

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Speaker 3: And then I.

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Speaker 4: Can't tell whether Donald Trump's leading or he's following in

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Speaker 4: these kits because if you on March third, Paxton Cornyan,

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Speaker 4: a wipeout the Maga guy. And for whatever you think

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Speaker 3: Got it all in pacts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so it was wild to watch that happen. Now,

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Speaker 4: part of this is just primaries. Molly and the primaries

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Speaker 4: and then run off. The primaries do attract right, small

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, may not look that way in Texas in

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Speaker 1: Well that's a real question. And it's funny because now

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Speaker 1: you're also Steve Kornaki, So your job is not besides

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. It strikes me. I mean, from what I

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was low turnout, which was interesting because one wondered,

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Speaker 4: They saw John Cornyan probably wasn't going to win, and

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Speaker 4: they thought their vote wasn't really going to make a difference,

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Speaker 4: so they didn't vote. Yeah, extrapolate that then to November.

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Speaker 4: It's not that a whole bunch of Republicans are going

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Speaker 4: If you remember in twenty eighteen when bene O'Rourke ran

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Speaker 3: It was always that.

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Speaker 4: That's a Democratic fever dream that we're going to win

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Speaker 4: deck This last night might have been a precursor to

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Speaker 4: what happens in November, not just in Texas, but in

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Speaker 4: other places where Republicans, some Republicans say to myself, they themselves,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to stick with U.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that. I think that's a real question.

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Speaker 1: And when we look at these numbers, I think that's

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Speaker 1: the big question. But also what you were talking about before,

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Speaker 3: Wanted to be on and he wanted to be on

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Speaker 4: In other words, did Trump make Paxton win or did

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Speaker 3: Because what a weird system we've gotten into an America.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know that the same as on the

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Speaker 4: There, Yeah, mainstream Republicans still tend to choose mainstream Republicans.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's I think that's what we saw

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Speaker 3: And I hope it does.

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Speaker 4: I don't share a lot of views with with a

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Speaker 4: And I think there are debates to be ad and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This is also coming on the backdrop of a

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Speaker 3: I doubt my god.

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Speaker 4: What let's just talk about what were you being asked

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Speaker 4: that you answered that, like, but sure, I mean, but

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Well, you have an incentive structure for very rich, powerful

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Speaker 3: I don't want you to give that interview.

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Speaker 4: I mean, uh, Edward Russ Ork and it's the NBC

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Speaker 4: Be a conversationalist. He can extemporate, he can extemporize. He

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Speaker 4: can do these things. Something's wrong with Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 1: I mean there's also the real question of like the hands.

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Speaker 4: But remembers doctors said he's gonna live till he's two

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Speaker 1: But when you look at the lies, and I think

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Speaker 4: Necessary, like the lies show up in places that they

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Speaker 1: And then and there's like a North Korea style propaganda

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Speaker 1: personally think Jade Vance is is has the sort of

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Speaker 1: gift of being a Peter Teel picked politician, and Peter

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Speaker 1: Teal picks the worst politicians, like just thank God, like

437
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Speaker 1: from Blake Masters, I mean, just everyone that guy likes

438
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Speaker 1: is a disaster.

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Speaker 3: But so has been a guy who's been giving people

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Speaker 3: bad advice for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm not sure why he's relevant to any conversation.

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Speaker 3: I remember when he killed people that ten or twelve,

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Speaker 3: fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Ago, a long time ago, and he said dropped out

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Speaker 4: of college, like just you know, he was paying people

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Speaker 4: to drop out of college, Like it's really not most

447
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Speaker 4: societies in the world don't actually think that's the direction

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Speaker 4: you should be informing people about.

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Speaker 1: And even now, like every time you see a clip

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Speaker 1: of him, he's talking about the Antichrist and fighting with the.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, yes, very weird stuff. Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: Jady Vance has something that looks like it could be

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Speaker 4: a movement behind him. I don't know if it's really Maga,

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Speaker 4: but he looks like something Marco Rubio doesn't have that.

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Speaker 4: Marco Robio is hoping like Nikki Haley was hoping, like

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Speaker 4: so many former Normis were hoping that the Republican Party

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Speaker 4: will come back to them. So mostly what Marco Rubio

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Speaker 4: has spent his time doing is avoiding the limelight, not

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Speaker 4: being at the negotiations that you think the Secretary of

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Speaker 4: State should be at, feeling uncomfortable in meetings when Trump

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Speaker 4: is yelling at Vlati Barzilenski wearing ill fitting shoes.

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Speaker 3: He wore that.

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Speaker 4: Nike outfit when they arrested when they took Maduro route,

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Speaker 4: like you know, getting involved in these prolls. The problem

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Speaker 4: is this isn't Marko Rubio. He won't lean into it

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Speaker 4: right now. He's trying, and it's like it's not you

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Speaker 4: may have missed the boat or the boat's not coming

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Speaker 4: back to you. Mark Jendy Vans is closer to where

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Speaker 4: whatever this movement is. But for a smart guy, like

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Speaker 4: ill educated lawyer. The whole thing seems a little weird

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Speaker 4: to me. I mean, part of the criticism comes to

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Speaker 4: the fact that I think Jada Vans more than Mark Rubio,

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Speaker 4: has an actual strong belief about US involvement in the

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Speaker 4: world and wars. Yes, he actually doesn't like this, this

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Speaker 4: Iran war, nor did Telsea Gabbart. That didn't seem to

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Speaker 4: get her anywhere. But I think I think this really

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Speaker 4: actually does make Mike, does make jd Vance uncomfortable, and

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Speaker 4: I think he's got an actual problem. So he's got

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Speaker 4: a situation where he doesn't want to cross with Trump,

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Speaker 4: but he actually isn't with Trump on this.

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio, I think, just.

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Speaker 4: So badly wants to be the president of the United

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Speaker 4: States that he'll do anything he can to get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now Marco feels like one of those people who's

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Speaker 1: just I mean, there are these people who have been

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Speaker 1: running for president forever. They're on the Democratic side too,

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Speaker 1: and just undermines them to some.

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Speaker 3: Event, right, and sometimes you peak too early.

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Speaker 4: And now Marco Rubio, like, to me, the end was

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Speaker 4: when Marco Ruby wore the ill fitting shoes that Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump gave him, right he gives everybody these Floorshym shoes,

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Speaker 4: and I guess the size right, and so so let's

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Speaker 4: say this happened to you, right, the President gives you

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Speaker 4: a pair of ill fitting shoes. You go to Floorsheim

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Speaker 4: and you say, the President gave me these shoes and

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Speaker 4: I really like them, and then the wrong size, and

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Speaker 4: guess what, they'll hundred give you a new one, even

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Speaker 4: if you didn't tell them.

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Speaker 3: Actually you didn't even have.

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Speaker 4: To tell them the President give them to You can

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Speaker 4: just say I got this pair of shoes that the

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Speaker 4: wrong side. The Floorsham will give you a new pair

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Speaker 4: of shoes, right. But if they know that the President

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Speaker 4: give them to you, they'll probably give you several pairs.

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Speaker 4: They know you the Secretary of State, you had several pairs.

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Speaker 4: You'll get Florshem shoes for life.

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Speaker 3: Prap. Why would you do this? Why would you do

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Speaker 3: any of this nonsense? Why would you put the Nike

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Speaker 3: output on? Why would you wear the ill fitting shoes? Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Did?

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Speaker 4: When did things cross the line when it became so

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Speaker 4: important to do this that you will supplicate yourself and

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Speaker 4: give everything up that you want. I will say Marco

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Speaker 4: Rubio is making one bet, and his one bet is

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump can do something with Cuba, because Mark

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Speaker 4: Rubio is very, very very invested in that one particular topic,

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Speaker 4: and Donald Trump is starting to look very invested in

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Speaker 4: because for every day that we don't have a deal

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Speaker 4: with Iran, going in and parachuting in and capturing the

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Speaker 4: ninety six year old Raoul Castro sounds very promising because

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Speaker 4: it'll look like, Wow, look how good and smart and

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Speaker 4: strong and powerful we are.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, No, I agree, And I mean

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Speaker 1: I think Cuba is a distraction from Iran, which is

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Speaker 1: a distraction from the Ebstein files, which is a distraction

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Speaker 1: from you know, I mean, we still and I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: This is a threat I want to just talk about

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Speaker 1: for a minute. There are all of these people who

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Speaker 1: are now in office who have lost their primaries or

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Speaker 1: their re elections, the Coronins and the Cassidys and the

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Speaker 1: you know yes.

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Speaker 3: Or margin till Green or whatever you know.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but like or Massy where they Trump has

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Speaker 1: gone after them. They are still in office until January.

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Speaker 1: Are those people have a real chance to do something?

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Speaker 4: Actually said it right, he said we did this this

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Speaker 4: this he was talking about all the things they did

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Speaker 4: with the Epstein files, and he said that was the

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Speaker 4: last six months. I've got seven months in office. Still

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Speaker 4: like he sounded like a bit of a threat, So

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Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they'll all do because Tillis, for instance,

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Speaker 3: in North Carolina, he does this all the time.

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Speaker 4: Right, He said, if I know what I knew about

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Speaker 4: RFKA Junior or Pete Eggstiff, I would have voted differently.

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Speaker 3: Bullshitory can we say bullshit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what I don't even know what

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Speaker 4: other word there is for use for this. Everybody knew

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Speaker 4: everything they needed to know about RFK Junior. Everyone knew

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Speaker 4: everything they needed to know about Pete hegstap, Like, there's

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Speaker 4: no there was no shortage of information. There's not these

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Speaker 4: new things right to some degree, maybe cash Bettel, it's

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Speaker 4: new examples of stuff we already kind of knew. But

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Speaker 4: that's is how courageous that Massey had, real courage. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: actually stood up for what he believed in. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: sort of matter, but it's Kentucky as well. But you know,

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Speaker 4: Rand Paul, he believes in certain things. Right, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what, you know, the rest of these

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Speaker 4: people when you lose and you didn't really believe it

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Speaker 4: to start with, but you're kind of in his corner,

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Speaker 4: but you kind of didn't want their ways with him.

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Speaker 3: What do you do? How do you build? How do

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Speaker 3: you rebuild a party with that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you rebuild this party.

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Speaker 1: But that's not I mean, there's certainly I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's sort of not our problem at this moment, just

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Speaker 1: sort of getting them out of it feels like the

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Speaker 1: number one issue and is going to be for Democrats

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Speaker 1: is to get these people out of power and to

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Speaker 1: have a peaceful transition.

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Speaker 3: And Democratic Republicans can sort out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how they rebuild there, they can have this sort

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Speaker 1: of but I'm and look, if the never Trumpers go back,

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Speaker 1: that party will be a very interesting intellectual party with

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Speaker 1: a whole host of weird problems, you know.

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Speaker 4: But or it could be a real opportunity, right, it

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Speaker 4: could be a hey, we can actually rebuild a center right,

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Speaker 4: fiscally conservative party that's not nuts.

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Speaker 3: And mean, you know, yeah, I think it's a real opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're gonna we're gonna have to survive this

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Speaker 1: summer which means surviving the UFC fight on the East

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Speaker 1: Lawn with Dana White, who says he's not very political

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Speaker 1: but has spoke at three RNC is we have. I mean, so,

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Speaker 1: I think what's happening here, and I'm curious if you

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Speaker 1: think this is right? Is that Donald Trump when nobody

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Speaker 1: thought he would win in twenty twenty four, and he

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Speaker 1: won using the culture right, getting into the culture doing

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Speaker 1: McDonald's going on Joe Rogan, and I think he thinks

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Speaker 1: that will help him in the midterms.

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Speaker 4: And I would argue that if you keep betting against

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, you're a bad gambler. Right, I think you

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Speaker 4: have to understand that this guy is politically more savvy

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Speaker 4: than most people, than almost all Republicans and probably most

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Speaker 4: Democrats too.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: The thing to remember here, Molly is as unpopular as

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is, and it's wild how unpopular he is.

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Speaker 1: Wild.

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Speaker 4: But he has of the let's call it, let's let's

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Speaker 4: let's be liberal and say thirty seven percent of the

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Speaker 4: population supports him, but on the high side, but it's

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Speaker 4: pretty consistent. Yeah, he is one hundred percent of that

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Speaker 4: thirty seven percent. Like it's it's it's it is cult

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Speaker 4: like I think he can set some of these people

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Speaker 4: on fire and they'd still they'd still support him. That

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Speaker 4: number doesn't correlate to Democrats, right The problem Democrats have

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Speaker 4: right now is the number of active political people who

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Speaker 4: are annoyed that they would like them to fight more

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Speaker 4: and be better. So if you look at Texas, Jexas

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Speaker 4: might become democratic, not just because Ken Paxton is Ken Paxton,

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Speaker 4: but maybe cause tall Rico's tallerco right, like he's an

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Speaker 4: He's a compelling interesting guy. Maybe North Carolina becomes democratic

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Speaker 4: because Roy Cooper is an interesting company.

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Speaker 3: They love them guy.

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Speaker 4: And you've got Maine and you've got Michigan. We'll see

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Speaker 4: which way that goes, because Schumer may be on the

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Speaker 4: wrong side of that one.

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Speaker 3: But the Democrats have to look ready to catch the ball.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's a ball in the air, and the Democrats

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Speaker 4: have to look ready to catch it.

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Speaker 3: And I would argue with you that some places they're ready,

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Speaker 3: some places they're not.

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Speaker 1: Alie, Ali, Allie, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Are we what are you talking about? We're done?

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Speaker 1: Twenty minutes, baby, twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I love it, I love I love these conversations. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: My friend.

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Speaker 1: Dave Weigel is a reporter. First emaphore, welcome, Welcome, Dave.

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Speaker 5: It's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I love you. I think you're so smart.

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Speaker 1: And you go out and you see the field. So

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of primaries. We are hot in

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Speaker 1: primary season. Just head Texas. Talk to me. The Senate primary,

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Speaker 1: the runoff between Cornyan and Paxton. Anything unsurprising there, give

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Speaker 1: us the sort of top one.

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Speaker 5: Oh. I love saying what's unsurprising after results her because

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Speaker 5: I think I think I was on if you rolled

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Speaker 5: the tape on CNN. I got asked, Kim Cornyon survive

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Speaker 5: and I said something non definitive like probably not. But

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Speaker 5: I should have said no, he can't. Because turnout turnout stunk.

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Speaker 5: People who were looking for signs of life for Cornyon

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Speaker 5: were assuming, oh, well, it's it's it's not bad in

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Speaker 5: the places he did good in the first round. But

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Speaker 5: let's remember the first round was the incumbent senator getting

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Speaker 5: forty two percent of the vote, eighteen percent of people

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Speaker 5: voting for this congressman wez Hunt and the rest going

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Speaker 5: to camp Paxton. Haunt ended up endorsing Paxton. But why

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Speaker 5: wouldn't people who vote against Courton already vote against Cornon

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Speaker 5: again and turnout was low. Everyone Trump endorsed one. I

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Speaker 5: would say the interne races were the member member races

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Speaker 5: that Republicans forced on Democrats by trinking their districts. And

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Speaker 5: then the anti semi race, Yeah, Al Green losing and

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Speaker 5: Julie Johnson losing, which I talked to her into Colin

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Speaker 5: all Read and she was very It was in funereal,

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Speaker 5: but you knew that it was a hard race to win.

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Speaker 1: She was the villain, she was sort of his heir parent.

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Speaker 1: And then he came back for his seat and kicked

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Speaker 1: her out.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so she came back for a different seat. So

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Speaker 5: there used to be When Republicans drew the maps in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, acknowledging that the Dallas metroplex suburbs are

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Speaker 5: getting more liberal, they gave already a safe suburban seat

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Speaker 5: and they kind of cut that up than Johnson, who

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Speaker 5: had moved to that district to run. Suddenly it was

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Speaker 5: in a new, super safe, very diverse Dallas district, like

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Speaker 5: right in Dallas. And then he ran and ran for

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Speaker 5: that race and in that seat, and the again, if

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Speaker 5: you look at the first round, turnouts always way down

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Speaker 5: in a runoff comparative primary with few exceptions, there's no

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Speaker 5: pre collections. When people adjourn, it's not down. But Jasmin

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Speaker 5: Crockett won that district against James tallerco Johnson had endorsed

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Speaker 5: tell Rico. She was making a point of not saying

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Speaker 5: she endorsed tell Rico. You could tell he was just

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Speaker 5: demographically not a good district for her. And it's at

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Speaker 5: a moment when black Democrats are watching their safe districts

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Speaker 5: be destroyed by courts and Republicans. And that's been in

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Speaker 5: this in a couple of places. But in that race,

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Speaker 5: she said today, this my loss means there's no LGBT

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Speaker 5: representation in Congress from Texas, And that's true. The choice

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Speaker 5: was LGBTT representation for a black member of Congress when

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Speaker 5: they're going to lose at least six Black members of

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Speaker 5: Congress because of jerrymandering.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about because I think this gets us

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Speaker 1: to a really important story that I felt like I

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Speaker 1: have not talked about enough on this podcast, which is

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Speaker 1: this very conservative Supreme Court goes in to absolutely decimate

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Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act, and Roberts had started it, and

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Speaker 1: now we have this ruling which is basically killing minority representation.

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Speaker 1: It is like an attack on the CBC. We're seeing

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Speaker 1: it in South Carolina there was this race to redraw.

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Speaker 1: The governor wanted to redraw. And it's not going to

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Speaker 1: happen now, right, or it may get kicked up to

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Speaker 1: another court. But it seems as if there's primary voting.

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Speaker 1: So I'd love you to talk about, like it feels

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Speaker 1: fair regressive to have this sort of the courts at

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Speaker 1: war with any kind of black representation or diversity large

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Speaker 1: and they're ripping away congressional seats from people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's their premise, which is the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 5: premis now the majority of conservatives is that any attempt

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Speaker 5: to ameliorate racial discrimination against minorities is racist against white people. Basically,

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Speaker 5: there's more words in the decision if you want to

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Speaker 5: read it.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good example.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So the Republican stock answer on this has become

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Speaker 5: the more aggressive one, the James Blair one, the White

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Speaker 5: Houseter edges has been well, Democrats were depending on racial gerrymandering,

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Speaker 5: and they were basically proloining seats from the American people

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Speaker 5: by racially gerrymandering these districts. What is fair is gerrymandering

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Speaker 5: seats so that they can that it's harder to elect

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Speaker 5: a Democrat. And I would watch legal moves in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Next Tennessee has a later primary. They moved fast enough

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Speaker 5: Uni South Carolina to change districts before filing for primaries.

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Speaker 5: But Memphis has had a district in Congress for a

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Speaker 5: very long time. It's been a big, big enough city

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Speaker 5: to do that for a very long time. And what

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Speaker 5: Republicans did was split up the communities of Memphis into

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Speaker 5: three districts and connect them to white rural districts. And

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Speaker 5: so I'm assuming most of your listeners don't except Republican premise.

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Speaker 5: But in the name of ending discrimination by not having

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Speaker 5: districts that are built for black or Hispanic voters to

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Speaker 5: win mostly in Democrats mostly win them, they're carving up

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Speaker 5: these communities that kept voting for Democrats, and that's the

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Speaker 5: Black belt in the South. Those are majority black or

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Speaker 5: majority minority cities wherever Republicans control them, they're just cutting

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Speaker 5: the cities into couple of pieces. Where they can't do

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Speaker 5: that where the populations are too big. Florida is an example.

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Speaker 5: There are just too many non white people who vote

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Speaker 5: for Democrats in South Florida. They've created a couple of

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Speaker 5: safe seats for them, and then a couple of seats

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Speaker 5: they can't win. It's partisan gerry mandering, which Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: has said is basically fine several times.

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Speaker 3: Is there a.

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Speaker 1: World where Republicans have, like, for example, in Texas, some

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Speaker 1: of these seats they're jerrymandering for the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: results of a Trump election. Yeah, so like those seats

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Speaker 1: in the Rio Grande Valley where they're largely Hispanic, those voters,

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Speaker 1: aren't they technically like not as into Trump. Like Trump

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Speaker 1: has really gone underwater with those voters, So wouldn't it

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Speaker 1: make sense that he won't underperform with them?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's that's been a question since Texas acted. So

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Speaker 5: you're right, Texas redraws districts. In Florida readoes districts based

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Speaker 5: on the last couple of elections, And in Florida there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of competent in both states. Right, Kamala did

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Speaker 5: worse than Joe Biden with non white voters. Right factory

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Speaker 5: not to take the conversation. Of course, had sheally just

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Speaker 5: done as well as Biden was non white voter, she

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Speaker 5: wins the election, and she did well enough with white voters,

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Speaker 5: she lost with Hispanic black ass et cetera. And so

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Speaker 5: every poll and a Welcome Pack, which is a centrist

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Speaker 5: Democratic group that has a confiden DC NEX week they

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Speaker 5: have of pol this too, every poll shows that the

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Speaker 5: Latino vote support for Trumps has collapsed. It's closer to

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Speaker 5: what it was in twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, he has added.

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Speaker 5: So there are there are culturally conservative Latinos who are

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Speaker 5: used to voting Republican, or there are more. Really every

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Speaker 5: cycle and that had been happening was kind of arrested

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Speaker 5: because of Trump being unpopular with Latinos. In twenty sixteen

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Speaker 5: he made gains. Those gains seem to have fallen back.

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Speaker 5: And so what does Texas look like? What does Florida

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Speaker 5: look like? And we're talking We're talking about Latinos Texas.

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Speaker 5: Latinos are generally speaking Mexican of Mexican descent, some Filipino

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Speaker 5: in Florida all over the place, Venezuela and Cuban, Puerto Rican,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. What does that look like. So in Florida,

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Speaker 5: Cuban voters actually have moved a little bit to the left.

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Speaker 5: Descendants of Mexicans Venezuela, and those people have been moving

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Speaker 5: to the I wouldn't say an US, they moved to left.

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Speaker 5: I should say moving against Trump because they have not

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Speaker 5: become huge fans of the Democratic Party. It's what's every midterm.

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Speaker 5: You want to turn out as many people has voted

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Speaker 5: for you last time as you can. If you get

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Speaker 5: seventy five percent, you're probably winning a midterm. If you

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Speaker 5: can't do that, then at least maybe the other team's

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Speaker 5: going to have people who don't switch, but they don't

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Speaker 5: show up. And that's what's been happening is that we're

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Speaker 5: not seeing a surge of Latino interested Democrats. We're seeing

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Speaker 5: less likely that these places that for example, in South Texas,

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Speaker 5: Republicans drew a new district. They redrew the thirty fifth district,

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Speaker 5: cheeped to have San Marcos, which is a college town.

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Speaker 5: Now it's suburbs of San Antonio cutting into Republican areas,

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Speaker 5: and that was Latino district, the voter for Trump by

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Speaker 5: ten points. Democrats are very confident that is a competitive seat.

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Speaker 5: Republicans have hinted that it's competitive because that's the one

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Speaker 5: where one of the Democrats that got into The runoff

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Speaker 5: was the anti Semitic conspiracy theorist, and Republicans spent a

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Speaker 5: million dollars promoted sex therapist conspiracy theorist. Actually, I think

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Speaker 5: it hurt her that she was so interesting that the

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Speaker 5: New York Post kept writing about her and she got

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Speaker 5: kind of famous.

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Speaker 1: She was also Maha, right, so I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: In the district. I have friends in San Antonio, and

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Speaker 5: basically her, she was not a famous person. Necessarily, Shelli

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Speaker 5: raised less than ten thousand dollars. She didn't file her

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Speaker 5: last report or finance. She was not raised a lot

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Speaker 5: of money. But she had some level of online TikTok

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Speaker 5: Instagram Reel's awareness as I'm a local activist who posted

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Speaker 5: about how terrible ice is and about health and about

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Speaker 5: metabolic health. And she had some people who showed up

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Speaker 5: and said, well, I've heard of her. I'm going to

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Speaker 5: vote for her. And she ended up with I think

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Speaker 5: thirty six thirty seven percent in the second round, despite

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Speaker 5: having that reputation, and who knows what was in everyone's mind.

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Speaker 5: But the point I'm making is that that was a

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Speaker 5: seat Republicans drew to be uncompetitive, and they acknowledged by

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Speaker 5: spending money well, we could lose this if it's a

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Speaker 5: bad enough year, Ken Paxton, Let's say is fifty to

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Speaker 5: fifty in Texas, Ken Paxon is going to lose that seat,

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Speaker 5: probably by four points. We can't blow this right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So that I think is a real question,

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Speaker 1: like do you think that there's a real chance. I

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Speaker 1: think of you as like a person who's pretty skeptical

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Speaker 1: after covering politics for a long time. So my listeners

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Speaker 1: are smart, but sometimes, like me, a little optimistic. Is

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Speaker 1: Texas real? Like could tellerygo really win.

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Speaker 5: With a common animation of low Republican turnout and some

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Speaker 5: persuasion with latinos. Yes, I think there's a path for

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Speaker 5: him to get because Sextus doesn't have general election runoffs,

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Speaker 5: there's libertarian to raise as their path for a forty

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Speaker 5: nine percent tall rico when there is not. If he

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Speaker 5: was running a twenty twenty four, there wouldn't be. Maybe

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Speaker 5: he's running twenty twenty eighth, there wouldn't be. But this

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Speaker 5: is exactly the scenario where he is competitive. And again

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Speaker 5: people say lots of things, but look at where they're

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Speaker 5: spending money. There's there's reason Republicans spent Aria keeps saying

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Speaker 5: almost one hundred million dollars because we'll find out the

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Speaker 5: final numbers later.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred and thirty all in for the primary.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of money. Now it'll be

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Speaker 5: refreshed by some donors. But some of that was loyalty

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Speaker 5: to John Cordon, who was the whip for a while

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Speaker 5: of the party and had helped helped run their Senate

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Speaker 5: Campaigns committee, and knew a lot of donors. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you're you have that job for twenty years. There are

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Speaker 5: a lot of people you can call up and say, hey,

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Speaker 5: want I need your help again. Some of that was

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Speaker 5: they knew that that Ken Paxton would be a weaker candidate,

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Speaker 5: and they have a lot of brio today. They already

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Speaker 5: started this when they knew that they were faced to

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Speaker 5: Talla Rica. They already started. It's funny today the uncovered

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Speaker 5: video of Tall Rico's mostly stuff that was uncovered months

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Speaker 5: ago and an uncovered again if he won the primary

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Speaker 5: in March, right, Well, they're doing that because they know

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Speaker 5: they have a week, they have a week nominee and

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Speaker 5: they're trying. The thought was, if it's Cornyn, we can

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Speaker 5: spend some money getting people to know that Tella Rico

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Speaker 5: has said these things of a gender and God, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: and maybe that'll be enough. And they're doing it again

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Speaker 5: knowing Gordon said this, knowing that they they're going to

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Speaker 5: have to spend tens of millions of dollars where they

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Speaker 5: thought they could pocket that and spend it in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Right, So this is all Republicans fucking up and just

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Speaker 1: being a disaster. Let's talk about the Democratic primary that

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Speaker 1: is keeping me up at night, which is the California

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Speaker 1: lubernatorial What the fuck?

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that should keep you up at night,

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Speaker 5: because Trump actually made that less frightening for Democrats by

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Speaker 5: endorsing Steve Hilton. So Steve Hilton fought through his personality,

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Speaker 5: former British Conservative Party operative has not run for office before.

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Speaker 5: I've spent some time with them, talk to him. He's

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Speaker 5: very charismatic, very good at making the argument about California.

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Speaker 5: But Trump endorsed him. And so what Democrats worried about

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Speaker 5: is they had a field of at one point nine

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Speaker 5: candidates who were not breaking through. We're all pulling between

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Speaker 5: one and thirteen percent. And then there was Hilton and

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Speaker 5: ched Blanco Riverside County Sheriff at the top, and Trump

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Speaker 5: and Door saying Hilton does seem in every pole to

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Speaker 5: have move Republicans toward Hilton, where he is now saying, oh,

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Speaker 5: you would say this because he wants to turn out.

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Speaker 3: He's now saying.

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Speaker 5: Republicans need to vote strategically. So it's not two Democrats

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Speaker 5: in the runoffs, because the two Democrats polling the best,

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Speaker 5: and this is every every pole, are Javier Becerra, former

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Speaker 5: a secretary and Tom Steyer, who has spent more money

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Speaker 5: on this race than anyone spent to run for governor ever,

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Speaker 5: the billionaire who at this point I think more than million,

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Speaker 5: more than five mints, well over five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 5: zone money on his campaigns for president and governor.

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Speaker 1: But I like Tom Starr, well, then you shouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Be that working unless you really ate like Stier has

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Speaker 5: a path to the to the race.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about stire Bessera for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because I understand that this is not a good time

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Speaker 1: for Democrats to run a billionaire and my man seems

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Speaker 1: really old and people don't necessarily like him or he

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Speaker 1: doesn't catch fire, but he strikes me as like a

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Speaker 1: pretty smart guy. Whenever I've interviewed him, I've thought he's

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Speaker 1: pretty smart.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and he so he has carved out this space.

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Speaker 5: And we know a lot about My colleague Maxikani had

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Speaker 5: a story some before this week about the advisories he's

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Speaker 5: given influencers about how to campaign for him. He was

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Speaker 5: known Styra thought about running for Senate several Senate and governor.

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Speaker 5: But in the past he thought about running for the

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Speaker 5: Kamala Herissey at one point and then never fold the trigger.

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Speaker 5: In this race, his strategy was I'm the most progressive candidate.

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Speaker 5: I think he believes it. First specond that lane was

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Speaker 5: not being occupied anyone else with a chance because Katie

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Speaker 5: Porter hit some of that. She's not I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: she's not progressive, but she's never been the most progressive

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Speaker 5: candidate race. She is a kind of quality of life,

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Speaker 5: pragmatic progressive democrat and so not I'm going to promise

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Speaker 5: to do a reparations commission. More, I'm going to promise

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Speaker 5: the lawyer costs and not not sign off on every

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Speaker 5: single progressive cause. And no one else really broke through.

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Speaker 5: Betty who was the former state controller. She was trying

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Speaker 5: to own that lane didn't work at all. Styra owned

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Speaker 5: that lane. And yes, the argument against him has been, well,

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Speaker 5: he's a billionaire and he's saying whatever it takes to

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Speaker 5: get elected. He has endorsements, for example, California Nurses United,

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Speaker 5: which is right. I say there, like the name of

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Speaker 5: the ten most progressive unions in the country.

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Speaker 3: They're up there.

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Speaker 5: They supported single pair of health care for decades, at

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Speaker 5: least decades. They supported this sport for a very long time.

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Speaker 5: They were original Bernie Sanders supporters. They spent a ton

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Speaker 5: of money on Bernie Sanders, and he's featured them at

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Speaker 5: his ads. I'm endorsed by the nurses. He has gotten

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Speaker 5: a lot of our revolution, He got a lot of

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Speaker 5: progressive support. But by basically saying because I'm a billionaire

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Speaker 5: and apologies, I'm a millionaire, sure nobody. No energy company

922
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Speaker 5: can buy me off. Chevron can't buy me off, the

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Speaker 5: healthcare and Stream can't buy me off. I'll get in

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Speaker 5: there and I will break the bottleneck and get a

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Speaker 5: single pair and glean green energy.

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Speaker 1: Again, I say this to you, and with all the

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Speaker 1: respects in the world, you're Cyneco because you've done this

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Is that or is that real.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's bullshit my sense of styre and

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Speaker 5: so he's been spending money in progressive democratic profits for

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Speaker 5: a very long time. My sense is that he, like

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Speaker 5: Franklin Joe Biden, has gotten more progressive as he's gotten older.

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Speaker 5: He's not usually at this point somebody who speaks out

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Speaker 5: a lot, does lots of interviews. You'd find some clip

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Speaker 5: where he's contradicting. He seems to have only moved towards

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Speaker 5: the let in his political career. He basically apologized for

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Speaker 5: not supporting single pair in twenty twenty and saying he

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Speaker 5: didn't quite understand that where he was right. This has

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Speaker 5: been the paradox and a lot of broguts a watching

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Speaker 5: this because jib Pritzker, who might run for president twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty eight, is a billionaire and in it is progressive

942
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Speaker 5: and dealt in his own races with voters in in

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Speaker 5: focus groups first saying I don't know if I can

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Speaker 5: trust that guy. He eventually built that trust, but he

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Speaker 5: did it at then he's if he runs. I've been

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Speaker 5: governor for a decade. Steier has never had to run

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Speaker 5: anything except to business it so there's some stepism in there,

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Speaker 5: and really the best CounterPunch from Vissera and frankly the

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Speaker 5: other Democrats who resent that he's doing this and outspending

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Speaker 5: them has well, You'll say, you're buying off influencers, So

951
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Speaker 5: how do we know anyone who supports you, really supports you.

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Speaker 5: That has added a lot of confusion to the debate

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Speaker 5: around him. What Snyer's trying to close on is because

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Speaker 5: I mean, the way California works, there's the they didn't

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Speaker 5: always used to be a democratic state. Schwarzenegger was governor

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Speaker 5: until twenty twenty ten, but now Democrats win the general election,

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Speaker 5: big companies expect a Democrat to be governor. And once

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Speaker 5: Bisera started surging, just as when Swollwell Eric Swowell is

959
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Speaker 5: surching his super pack, which has a very long name.

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Speaker 5: I wish I could memorize. It's it's funny, it's it's

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Speaker 5: like a ten word name about people. For Javier Pisera,

962
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Speaker 5: that it's getting all these large donations from energy companies

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Speaker 5: and from people who want to do business with the governor.

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Speaker 5: And also Bisera is very loose and amorphous on what

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Speaker 5: he would actually do. If you watch interviews with him,

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Speaker 5: it is very hard, if you even love the credit,

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Speaker 5: very hard to come away with a clear idea of

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Speaker 5: what he would do as governor apart from deal with

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Speaker 5: crises and figure out a solution. And I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: dive you negative, but it is really he's really baffling. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 5: Like Dylan Jelly's involved interviewers. The last one he did

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Speaker 5: with CNN Alex Michael Send, who's a great reporter who

973
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Speaker 5: now work with CNN, used to be at Fox in LA.

974
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Speaker 5: He's been hearing all the candidates and just Katie Porter

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Speaker 5: came on after Bisera and he just couldn't get over

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Speaker 5: how she has specific ideas and he does not. Now

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Speaker 5: that's not unrealistic because that's again California's a big state.

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Speaker 5: They'll be a governor, they'll be a democratic legislature because

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Speaker 5: Republicans are not in a position to win that, and

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Speaker 5: so there'll be a governor who has lots of business

981
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Speaker 5: interests who want to make sure that you know, the

982
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Speaker 5: governor doesn't sign everything progressive that comes out legislature, as

983
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Speaker 5: News didn't, as Jerry Brown did. They both would veto

984
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Speaker 5: some progressive ideas. They're worried. I'm agreeing with like with

985
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Speaker 5: Tom Styer's premise. Here, they're worried that Tom Steyer is

986
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Speaker 5: for real and he gets in there and somebody passes

987
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Speaker 5: a California single fair healthcare bill, he'll sign it. So

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Speaker 5: they want to stop that.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, thank you, thank you, thank you, Dave.

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Speaker 5: Of course, thank you.

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Speaker 1: No Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So Molly, we have you know, this economy that is

993
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Speaker 2: just totally totally messed up, affordability crisis. But you know what,

994
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Speaker 2: the Trump governments laser focused on making sure that you

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Speaker 2: don't talk about DEI.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because that's the real danger, is DEI. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: this is so stupid you want to die. And I

998
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Speaker 1: think it's important to remember that this administration is just

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Speaker 1: wasting your tax dollars on really stupid crap, much of

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Speaker 1: which is made up right, That the great danger is

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Speaker 1: not racism but anti racism, that the great danger is

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Speaker 1: not discrimination but anti discrimination. I mean, it's just a

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Speaker 1: very stupid time to be alive and watching this administration

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Speaker 1: waste tax dollars on you know, Donald Trump's favorite building projects,

1005
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Speaker 1: on painting the bottom of the reflecting pool. It's just

1006
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Speaker 1: a very stupid, stupid time to be alive and this

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Speaker 1: administration is doing everything it can to waste our money.

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