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Speaker 4: If we've got so much to talk about tonight, Republican
Speaker 4: Stage and intervention. Donald Trump tries to speak smart and
Speaker 4: we get to know JD Vance whether we want to
Speaker 4: or not. So let's get right into it with another
Speaker 4: installment of Indecision four. Ala Harris is crushing it's in
Speaker 4: the polls. She's raising tons of money. She collected the
Speaker 4: white Man Infinity Stone.
Speaker 3: It all poses a.
Speaker 4: Big problem for Donald Trump, who's been trying everything he
Speaker 4: can think of to stop her assent. He's been insulting
Speaker 4: her race, insulting her race even more, oh, insulting her
Speaker 4: gender even more. Race stuff, blah blah blah. But somehow
Speaker 4: it's not working. So his allies have some radical proposals
Speaker 4: for him. The winning formula for President Trump is very
Speaker 4: plain to see. It's fewer insults, more insights, and that
Speaker 4: policy contrast needs.
Speaker 3: To focus on the issue. Hit her with her policies.
Speaker 5: First, don't call her stupid and all kinds of names.
Speaker 3: Stay on message.
Speaker 6: Stop questioning the size of her crowds and start questioning
Speaker 6: her position.
Speaker 3: Quit whining about her.
Speaker 7: It's not going to when talking about what race Kamala
Speaker 7: Harris is, it's not going to win talking about whether
Speaker 7: she's dumb.
Speaker 4: You know your campaign's going really badly when you need
Speaker 4: advice from the woman who lost by forty points and
Speaker 4: the guy who is House speaker for less than a week.
Speaker 4: And maybe, just maybe they got through to him because
Speaker 4: yesterday he announced that he would give a major policy
Speaker 4: speech on the economy, which is a big change for him,
Speaker 4: although you could tell he wasn't very excited about it.
Speaker 8: Now this is a little bit different day because this
Speaker 8: isn't around.
Speaker 9: This is we're talking about a thing called the economy.
Speaker 9: They wanted to do a speech you on the economy.
Speaker 8: A lot of people are very devastated by what's happened
Speaker 8: with inflation and all of the other things.
Speaker 9: So we're doing this as a intellectual speech. You're all
Speaker 9: intellectuals today.
Speaker 8: Today we're doing it, and we're doing it right now.
Speaker 3: All right, I guess we're doing it.
Speaker 4: We're doing it right now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: He understands what every woman was thinking when they slept
Speaker 4: with him, let's.
Speaker 3: Just let's just get it over with right now, just
Speaker 3: right now. I mean Trump's.
Speaker 4: Crowd had to also have been disappointed because they were
Speaker 4: there for a Trump rally, not an intellectual speech. That's
Speaker 4: like logging onto porn hub and only getting ted talks.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still going to jerk off to it.
Speaker 4: It's just going to take longer. But with just eighty
Speaker 4: one days left until the election, Trump needs to focus
Speaker 4: on the issue. So let's hear this intellectual focused economic
Speaker 4: policy speech.
Speaker 9: Crook at Joe.
Speaker 8: He didn't do interviews either, Remember Joe, what kind of
Speaker 8: ice cream is your favorite?
Speaker 9: Vanilla? I like the that was George Flapadopolis.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess you got it. Warm up first.
Speaker 4: She can't just jump right into the economics start by
Speaker 4: attacking the guy you're not even running against anymore. But
Speaker 4: now that you're warmed up, economics.
Speaker 9: Go, you're getting out. Now, Joe, we can do it
Speaker 9: the nice way. Oh, we can do it the hard way,
Speaker 9: and he's getting out. He's getting out.
Speaker 8: In fact, they're not even giving him a good spot.
Speaker 9: To speak, you know, when he's speaking on Monday.
Speaker 8: Monday is not the that's the worst day.
Speaker 3: Monday is the worst day.
Speaker 4: That's a Garfield policy.
Speaker 3: Come on, Joe.
Speaker 4: Biden is not in the race anymore. Let's focus on
Speaker 4: your current opponent.
Speaker 9: Barack Cussin Obama.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, girl, you gotta move on. He does not think
Speaker 4: about you. Okay, your current opponent is Kamala Harris. Say
Speaker 4: something substantive about Kamala Harris.
Speaker 9: That's the laugh of a crazy person. And I will
Speaker 9: tell you if you have a god, it's a crazy
Speaker 9: She's crazy. That's the laugh of a in with some
Speaker 9: big problems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Kama is the one with the big problems.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 4: Also, it is so inappropriate to insult a woman's laugh.
Speaker 3: Women are supposed to laugh.
Speaker 4: It's mandated by our pillows. You know what you win,
Speaker 4: Just talk about whatever the fuck you want to talk about.
Speaker 8: And now they're putting her on the covers of Time
Speaker 8: magazine with an artist sketch.
Speaker 9: They don't use a picture, they use an artist sketch.
Speaker 9: I want to use that artist. I want to find
Speaker 9: that artist. I like them very much.
Speaker 4: Donald, do you really need a new sketch artist? I
Speaker 4: feel like you have plenty of sketches. Look I hate
Speaker 4: to nitpick, but in this speech about the economy, do
Speaker 4: you think at any point you might want to say
Speaker 4: something about the economy.
Speaker 9: I did have something I would show you. Wait a minute.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you've seen this. I used it once,
Speaker 9: I have it, I do have it. Look at this.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 9: So this is tic.
Speaker 4: TACs, right, yes, I mean they came out of your pocket.
Speaker 4: So they might be roofies. But okay, for the sake
Speaker 4: of the argument, they're tic TACs. What does that have
Speaker 4: to do with the economy.
Speaker 9: But that's what happened. This is inflation.
Speaker 8: This is tic tac. This is this is inflation. This
Speaker 8: is what's happened. I just happened to have somebody gave
Speaker 8: me this one today. I said, I think we'll put
Speaker 8: it up as an example of inflation.
Speaker 4: That is not an example of inflation. It's just two
Speaker 4: different sizes of breath mints. I mean, my understanding of
Speaker 4: macroeconomics is limited, but I do know for a fact
Speaker 4: that inflation is not defined as big tictac little tictac.
Speaker 3: Thank you Christ.
Speaker 4: And by the way, Donald, if someone hands you a
Speaker 4: breath mint, they're not suggesting you talk about inflation.
Speaker 3: They're suggesting you take a breath. Mint.
Speaker 4: For more on Trump's economic agenda, we go live to Troy.
Speaker 3: I wanna, Troy. That tik tac thing was so weird, right.
Speaker 5: You know what You're weird, Desi. Okay, because Donald Trump
Speaker 5: is absolutely right.
Speaker 3: This is a real problem.
Speaker 9: This fox of.
Speaker 5: Tictacs is big and this one is small. That's inflation.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, Troy. Those are just two
Speaker 4: different sizes. They sell at different prices. It's not inflation, No, Desie,
Speaker 4: is inflation.
Speaker 5: I took economics one on one, which I never slept through. Sometimes. Okay,
Speaker 5: there are examples of inflation in any grocery store. For example,
Speaker 5: this is soda, okay, and this is soda. Thanks inflation, Troy.
Speaker 3: Those are just two different sizes of soda.
Speaker 5: And the bigger one is more expensive. Yeah right, Okay, you're.
Speaker 3: Not getting it. How about this, Okay?
Speaker 5: I bought this bag of chips last week, and today
Speaker 5: I went back in the same aisle and instead of chips,
Speaker 5: it's toilet paper Joe Biden more like Joe single plid in.
Speaker 4: Okay, the store probably just rearranged things. Those are different products, Troy.
Speaker 5: You're telling me these disintegrate and salsa.
Speaker 4: But these examples are not for moving Trump's point, does he.
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you something my economics professor told me.
Speaker 5: Wake up, because here's here's another thing for you. This
Speaker 5: suit jacket O Cay fit me perfectly two weeks ago,
Speaker 5: and then I washed it and now look Joe Biden
Speaker 5: more like Joe's smaller jacket.
Speaker 4: Den Troy, did you run your suit through the dryer again?
Speaker 3: Of course I did.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna wear wet clothes, does he, Troy, just.
Speaker 4: Just finish your report and come back to the studio.
Speaker 5: Please, Fine, God, cars are so much more expensive than
Speaker 5: they were last year.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's it, that's inflation.
Speaker 5: No, does he?
Speaker 3: The car is the same size. Oh my god, you've
Speaker 3: never mind, Troy?
Speaker 10: Want everyone man, nice story, so I'll go away.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Jailie Show.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about jd Vance. Democrats hate him and Republicans
Speaker 4: pretend not to. But who is he really? Let's find
Speaker 4: out in a brand new daily showography.
Speaker 1: Middletown, Ohio isn't much to look at. It's probably a
Speaker 1: few decades away from getting a Jampa juice. But this
Speaker 1: forgotten town full of forgotten men and forgotten women has
Speaker 1: given us a name to remember.
Speaker 9: JD.
Speaker 7: Vance.
Speaker 1: I came from Middletown, Ohio.
Speaker 2: I am proud of it, and I will never forget
Speaker 2: where I came from.
Speaker 1: But what he would forget is everything else. I'm a
Speaker 1: never Trump guy. I never liked him.
Speaker 2: The simple fact is he's the best president of my lifetime.
Speaker 1: This is the Daily showography of JD. Vance, the Forgotten Man.
Speaker 1: You may have heard that Jad doesn't think much of
Speaker 1: life in your Democrat run cities, but to hear him
Speaker 1: tell it, growing up in small town Ohio and Kentucky
Speaker 1: wasn't so hot either. Our homes are a chaotic mess.
Speaker 1: At least one member of the family uses drugs. Young
Speaker 1: JD was taken in by his mamma.
Speaker 2: She said, look, you're going to come and stay with me,
Speaker 2: and if anybody has a problem with it, they can
Speaker 2: they can talk to my gun nam All came from
Speaker 2: a family that would shoot at you rather than argue
Speaker 2: with you. When we went through things, we found nineteen
Speaker 2: loaded handguns under her bed, in her closet, in the
Speaker 2: silverware drawer.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like if Tarantino directed an episode of the
Speaker 1: Golden Girls. After high school, Jady left his mamma's house
Speaker 1: for a place with slightly fewer guns, the US military.
Speaker 1: He spent four years in the Marines Public Affairs department,
Speaker 1: which would eventually serve him well in politics, where his
Speaker 1: new boss has had many public affairs. Back home, Jad
Speaker 1: lifted himself up by his bootstraps and government GI bill
Speaker 1: money to attend Yale Law School, where he would meet
Speaker 1: his future wife. Nothing would keep them apart.
Speaker 6: I love her because she's who she is.
Speaker 2: Obviously she's not a white person, but I just I
Speaker 2: love Lusha.
Speaker 1: Marriage really is about compromise. After overcoming the traumas of
Speaker 1: an Ivy League education, JD sought honest work down in
Speaker 1: the valley, where remembering where he came from sometimes meant
Speaker 1: forgetting where he was.
Speaker 2: I didn't come from the elites.
Speaker 1: I didn't come from San Francisco. You were out in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, now, right, that's right.
Speaker 3: I'm working for Peter tol Yeah.
Speaker 2: I work at one of the venture capital funds that
Speaker 2: he co founded.
Speaker 1: And though big tech made him rich, it was the
Speaker 1: publishing world where he really made a name for himself.
Speaker 1: Jad turned his childhood pain into hillbilly Elegy, a best
Speaker 1: selling memoir and Hollywood film Asta La Vista Baby. Soon
Speaker 1: those fancy aristocrats who drink spark water and wear pajamas.
Speaker 2: To this day, I find the very notion of pajamas
Speaker 2: an unnecessary elite indulgence.
Speaker 1: We're begging him to join their ranks should he run
Speaker 1: for office.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, when people ask me if
Speaker 2: I want to run for office, part of me wonder
Speaker 2: is like, do they think I just give off a
Speaker 2: used car salesman?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Soon enough, JD was ready to
Speaker 1: be put into a certified, pre owned Ohio Senate seat.
Speaker 1: He had the perfect resume, blue collar childhood's former marine,
Speaker 1: absolutely zero rumors that he had ed a couch, if
Speaker 1: only he hadn't said all those terrible things about his
Speaker 1: party's new God. I can't stomach Trump.
Speaker 2: I think that he's noxious and is leading the white
Speaker 2: working class to a very dark place.
Speaker 6: You've said, I have a never Trump guy, never liked him,
Speaker 6: terrible candidate, idiot if you voted for him, might be
Speaker 6: Americus Hitler, might be a cynical a hole, cultural heroine, noxious, reprehensible.
Speaker 1: How could Vance run for office as a maga Republican
Speaker 1: after all that he would have to call upon his
Speaker 1: experience as a forgotten man and forget it all. Look,
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was going to be good president Brett.
Speaker 3: He was a great president.
Speaker 1: Trump may be cultural heroin, but JD was hooked. The
Speaker 1: new JD loved DJT with all his heart, and Trump
Speaker 1: almost knew who JD was.
Speaker 8: JP right, JD Mandel, and he's doing great, whatever.
Speaker 3: His name was.
Speaker 1: There was something about this new guy that Donald Trump liked.
Speaker 9: JD is kissing my ass. He wants myself webs up.
Speaker 1: With the taste of Trump's butt cheeks fresh on his lips.
Speaker 1: Vance won his election and the forgetting kicked into high gear.
Speaker 1: The man who once said he hated the police and
Speaker 1: respected trance people now said it was actually the other
Speaker 1: way around. No opinion was safe from JD's maga memory.
Speaker 2: Wipeversities provide high quality talent for folks to get their
Speaker 2: businesses off the ground. See universities in our country are
Speaker 2: fundamentally corrupt.
Speaker 1: It's really important not to just fabricate a line up
Speaker 1: of people. I think what's still refers from JD's moral
Speaker 1: flexibility propelled him into the maga a list, and when
Speaker 1: Donald Trump needed a new running mate for some reason,
Speaker 1: he tapped Vance.
Speaker 11: I love you guys.
Speaker 1: But once he hit the campaign trail, JD's former friends
Speaker 1: in the media discovered that his mouth had left around
Speaker 1: more loaded guns than Mamma.
Speaker 3: Republicans Deep candidate JD.
Speaker 4: Vance is igniting a firestorm for what's calling citizens without
Speaker 4: children childless cat ladies.
Speaker 12: Vance calls pregnancies resulting from rape or incest inconvenient.
Speaker 5: Said Americans without kids should have their boats countless.
Speaker 12: The Vance takes aim and gymnastic phenoms. Simone Biles after
Speaker 12: she dropped out of the Tokyo Olympics for mental health reasons.
Speaker 2: The fundamental lie of American feminism is that it is
Speaker 2: liberating for a woman to go and work ninety hours
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 1: Please tell me more about the lessons of feminism, sir.
Speaker 1: But who cares what the haters and the elites think.
Speaker 1: There's only one man whose opinion counts, and he thinks
Speaker 1: JD has what it takes.
Speaker 3: When you look at JD. Vance, is he ready on
Speaker 3: day one?
Speaker 8: Historically the vice president does not have any impact, I
Speaker 8: mean virtually no impact.
Speaker 1: Yes, they said people from JD's neck of the woods
Speaker 1: don't matter. But now Vance has become the most important,
Speaker 1: not important man in America, and soon he might be
Speaker 1: enshrined forever in the nation's halls of power. Or he'll lose,
Speaker 1: and like every other failed VP candidate in history, this
Speaker 1: forgetting man will also be forgotten.
Speaker 10: The sense of them the way. Welcome.
Speaker 4: We have two incredible guests tonight. Rebecca Tracer is a
Speaker 4: writer for New York Magazine and author of Good and Mad,
Speaker 4: and Britney Cooper is a professor at Rutgers University and
Speaker 4: author of Eloquent Rage. Please welcome, Rebecca Tracer and Britney Cooper.
Speaker 3: Welcome through the show. Thank you so much for being
Speaker 3: here here.
Speaker 4: I am so excited to have you both on in
Speaker 4: this moment, in particular, there's been a real vibe shift
Speaker 4: here with Kamala Harris entering the race, and Rebecca, you
Speaker 4: wrote this incredible article that I felt so beautifully articulated
Speaker 4: this cove feeling that many of us have about uncertainty
Speaker 4: and the beauty of an uncertainty, and what a thrill
Speaker 4: it is in this moment in time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm grateful for the uncertainty, and that's
Speaker 7: a hard thing to say, because we live in a
Speaker 7: scary time. There's a lot to be terrified about. There
Speaker 7: are a lot of horrible things happening around us, and
Speaker 7: in the context of that fear, we often reach for
Speaker 7: sure things, but sure things often look like the past.
Speaker 3: And when we want to make history this.
Speaker 7: Campaign, we've never done this before. We've never we've never
Speaker 7: had a campaign like this in this amount of time
Speaker 7: and these circumstances. We have a black woman running for
Speaker 7: the presidency. We don't have a model for how we
Speaker 7: do this on this schedule, at this scale, with so
Speaker 7: much on the line, and that is terrifying. And many
Speaker 7: of us, in political terms, reach for things that make
Speaker 7: us feel safe, polls that tell us that we're going
Speaker 7: to win, or even polls that tell us we're going
Speaker 7: to lose, because then at least we can be prepared
Speaker 7: and we're not going to be surprised and shaken. But
Speaker 7: I actually think that right now, the anxiety, the fear
Speaker 7: around this risk and this exciting moment is the exhilarating
Speaker 7: motivation we need because it is appropriate to this moment
Speaker 7: and the stakes and what we're looking at and what
Speaker 7: it's going to do is draw us into action, which
Speaker 7: is the only way to move forward through the next
Speaker 7: eighty three days and beyond is to let that uncertainty
Speaker 7: remind us that we have to act and engage.
Speaker 9: You brought up.
Speaker 4: You brought up the polls, and I think so many
Speaker 4: of us go to the polls and are watching them obsessively.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just afraid.
Speaker 4: To myself, but why are the polls so dangerous to
Speaker 4: be watching?
Speaker 3: Why should we not be put hanging at all on that?
Speaker 11: I mean, have any of you ever been called for
Speaker 11: a pole? None of us picked up, None of us
Speaker 11: picks up the phone. For Tim Walls missed the VP's
Speaker 11: phone call because he didn't recognize her phone numher. So
Speaker 11: that tells you all you need to know about who's
Speaker 11: being polled. It's our Grammys and our aunties, and while
Speaker 11: they matter.
Speaker 3: They are reliable voters.
Speaker 11: But this election is about who is going to be
Speaker 11: newly engaged and newly excited and those of us you know,
Speaker 11: and those folks are folks who are glued to their
Speaker 11: phones and who are just not going to pick up
Speaker 11: for anybody that they don't.
Speaker 4: Know, right, right, Brittany, you talk so much about the
Speaker 4: importance of faith, in moments like these, the importance that
Speaker 4: faith has had in historical events and organization and social movements.
Speaker 4: How does faith plan to this moment right now?
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, faith is a tricky term because most
Speaker 11: times people think that we're trying to, you know, draw
Speaker 11: them into the cult of organized religion.
Speaker 3: But well, just why it brought you all here.
Speaker 4: We're just turned around the hat.
Speaker 11: To our way, correct, you know, and look we're going
Speaker 11: to leave the culting to the to the Trump camp. Ultimately,
Speaker 11: faith is not just a religious project. It's a secular project,
Speaker 11: and it simply means that we have to believe in
Speaker 11: things that we have not seen before in order to
Speaker 11: bring them about. Faith is the distance between what we
Speaker 11: can prove and what we think is possible. And sometimes
Speaker 11: we struggle to have faith because we don't want to
Speaker 11: be wrong, and we don't want to be made a
Speaker 11: full of We don't want to have to risk something
Speaker 11: because our politics is made a full of us a lot.
Speaker 11: But I tend to think that, you know, it's just
Speaker 11: like falling in love.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 11: Somebody's full, as the Franklin fantasy said. And so I
Speaker 11: want to be a fool for the side of saving democracy.
Speaker 11: For the side of justice and righteousness, for the side
Speaker 11: of the people getting to participate in their politics, for
Speaker 11: women having a say about what happens to their bodies,
Speaker 11: for trans folks getting the care that they need, and
Speaker 11: for all the elders in my life actually having health
Speaker 11: care and the things that they need to live well
Speaker 11: and thrive even into old age.
Speaker 3: Yew, we know what happened in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: If Kamala Harris becomes president, she would be the first
Speaker 4: female president, she'd be the first black female president, She'd
Speaker 4: be the first South Asian person to be president.
Speaker 3: This is obviously something.
Speaker 4: To be celebrated and incredibly meaningful for so many reasons.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, how should we be talking
Speaker 4: about this, how much should the campaign be leaning into this,
Speaker 4: and how much might it undermine how qualified she is
Speaker 4: as just being the right person for the job right now?
Speaker 7: I think it's a really tricky balance because on the
Speaker 7: one hand, you don't want to fixate on these firsts
Speaker 7: and the pure identity changes and representative changes, because there
Speaker 7: has to be substance along with that too. Right we
Speaker 7: could be talking about Nikki Haley and have some of
Speaker 7: the same first and we'd be feeling very differently about
Speaker 7: your to that. So I want to say that that
Speaker 7: just talking about the representative firsts isn't enough. And yet
Speaker 7: we cannot behave in this country as though we are
Speaker 7: a nation that has ever previously managed to elect a.
Speaker 3: Woman in two hundred and fifty years, right.
Speaker 7: So we can't trick ourselves either into thinking that there
Speaker 7: is not a lot happening in this campaign and on
Speaker 7: these stages that we do not have models for that
Speaker 7: we need to turn to different degrees of faith, that
Speaker 7: we need to sit in our anxiety about whether we
Speaker 7: as a country can become better, right, and become different
Speaker 7: and do things differently, and imagine leadership that doesn't look
Speaker 7: like the leadership we've had in the past. So it
Speaker 7: would be silly to pretend that those things don't come
Speaker 7: into it, And I think deeply dishonest about who we
Speaker 7: are as a country and about the possibility of who
Speaker 7: we could become as a country.
Speaker 11: But at the same time, the thing you got to
Speaker 11: acknowledge when you acknowledge that she's first is also all
Speaker 11: of the unreasonable expectations that come with being first. It
Speaker 11: is the moment that a corporation decides they're going to
Speaker 11: let a woman actually run it after they've.
Speaker 9: Almost sunk it.
Speaker 3: You know, we call those glass.
Speaker 11: Clip assignments, or it's that moment that so many black
Speaker 11: women have experienced many times I've experienced where you look
Speaker 11: up and you're the only black person in the room,
Speaker 11: the only black woman in the room, and so the
Speaker 11: stakes are incredibly high, and there is no margin for error,
Speaker 11: and we've got to remember, how do we balance the
Speaker 11: fact that she is first, but she doesn't get to
Speaker 11: be the exception, right she is first, what she is
Speaker 11: going to have to respond to protesters? She is first,
Speaker 11: but she is going to have to be accountable for
Speaker 11: policy and how it actually shapes people's lives. She is first,
Speaker 11: and at the same time, people are going to expect
Speaker 11: her to be Jesus, because they always expect black women
Speaker 11: to be Jesus.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, but I think about just eight minutes ago, the
Speaker 4: twenty minutes of real that we just watched on Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: It's crazy that we're having this conversation right now. You
Speaker 4: have both written extensively about using the power of anger
Speaker 4: and using the power of rage. Female politicians are not
Speaker 4: given any grace to have anger or rage. Is there
Speaker 4: any reason why they should give a flying about that.
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, look my camp is, you know,
Speaker 11: lean into that shit like it'll no. I have famously
Speaker 11: said that rage is a superpower because we live in
Speaker 11: a country that always does things to induce women's anger,
Speaker 11: to induce black women's anger, and then it gas lights
Speaker 11: us and tells us that we're actually irrational because we're
Speaker 11: angry at a country that says we don't have control
Speaker 11: over our bodies, at a country that is disrespecting cat ladies.
Speaker 11: You know, you know, in a country where women say
Speaker 11: brilliant things and meetings all the time and no one
Speaker 11: hears it until the dude in the room says the
Speaker 11: same thing. And so of course we're mad. But we're
Speaker 11: also geniuses. We're also dope. We're also joyful. These things
Speaker 11: are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 7: And I want to pick up on that joyful thing,
Speaker 7: which is one of the things that Brittany and I
Speaker 7: both talked about, is that anger and rage can have
Speaker 7: a lot of different qualities. It can be destructive, it
Speaker 7: can be divisive, but expressed anger especially at injustice and power,
Speaker 7: imbalance and anger on behalf of making the world better,
Speaker 7: can also bring people together in communion, and what we
Speaker 7: see right now the vibe shift that you talked about,
Speaker 7: there is this crucial thing happening, which is that there
Speaker 7: is no question that there is a kind of fury
Speaker 7: at what's at stake motivating so many people, not only
Speaker 7: on the campaign trail, but the people who are organizing
Speaker 7: these and yet that shared anger is bringing people together.
Speaker 3: What is being.
Speaker 7: Projected by Kamala Harrison, Tim Wallas that on those stages
Speaker 7: is unfettered joy, the beauty of being able, the happiness
Speaker 7: of being able to envision some future that looks different
Speaker 7: from our past.
Speaker 3: That's right, Rebecca.
Speaker 4: You you had a really interesting piece on masculinity and
Speaker 4: the way that it's framed on both sides, on the
Speaker 4: Democratic side and on the Republican side. Where are the
Speaker 4: contrasts that you see, Oh, they're subtle.
Speaker 7: So it's interesting because coming out of two years of
Speaker 7: Republicans really having their clock cleaned on every reproductive rights
Speaker 7: referenda in this country, there was this thought that Donald
Speaker 7: Trump and his campaign and the Republican's more broad they're
Speaker 7: going to stay away from abortion. They're not in a
Speaker 7: popular place on abortion, they're losing on abortion. So they
Speaker 7: were going to talk about that what is fat, and
Speaker 7: they didn't really at the convention. What is fascinating to
Speaker 7: me is their inability to hide their loathing for women.
Speaker 3: Right, They're scorn for women.
Speaker 7: So that if if you look at that production, a
Speaker 7: planned show they put on last month, you had hul Cogan,
Speaker 7: who's been accused of domestic assault. You had Dana White,
Speaker 7: the head of Ultimate Fighting, also been caught doing assault.
Speaker 7: You had Donald Trump walking out to It's a man's
Speaker 7: World the right.
Speaker 3: You have JD. He picked JD Vans, right, And.
Speaker 7: These guys are trafficking not only in the historic sort
Speaker 7: of patriarchal we'd like to control reproductive bodies and you know,
Speaker 7: exert our power over women. You have the newer manna
Speaker 7: sphere sort of icky or real dislike of women, like
Speaker 7: resentment of women who won't have sex with them on
Speaker 7: demand and who won't bear their babies on demand. And
Speaker 7: that's really seeping into this in a kind of new
Speaker 7: gross way that you see Donald Trump is doing interviews
Speaker 7: with Elon Musk, who is a person who said that
Speaker 7: abortion and birth control have led to the crumbling of
Speaker 7: society and things that people who don't have children shouldn't vote,
Speaker 7: and that's who Trump is doing his podcast with, and
Speaker 7: you can hear all those resentments of the minisphere in
Speaker 7: everything Jade Bantce says about cat ladies and that he
Speaker 7: agrees with about the role of postmenopausal women as.
Speaker 3: The child to write a grandma. So that's what's happening
Speaker 3: for the Republicans of that.
Speaker 7: And then on the left, in part because you have
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris leading the ticket, what you've seen is a
Speaker 7: lot of guys coming out in really robust ways in
Speaker 7: support of her, talking folsomely about reproductive healthcare and access,
Speaker 7: talking about I have been out there listening to Doug
Speaker 7: m Hoff talk about pap smears. Tim Wall's past, you know,
Speaker 7: made period products available in school bathrooms, He signed abortion
Speaker 7: protections into law in Minnesota. He talks about his IVF journey.
Speaker 7: These are very traditionally masculine guys, right like football coach veterans,
Speaker 7: and yet they seem to be comfortable in a way
Speaker 7: that I have rarely seen Democratic men be comfortable before
Speaker 7: making reproductive health care and access and women's full civic
Speaker 7: participation a clarion moral call of the Democratic Party. And
Speaker 7: that is a remarkable thing that we're watching on the left.
Speaker 11: The only you know, the only thing I would add
Speaker 11: about this masculinity thing is that I think that jd
Speaker 11: Vance is having the terrible realization that he picked the
Speaker 11: wrong daddy. He picked Trump, and really what he wanted
Speaker 11: was Tim Walls. You know, look, we have a politics
Speaker 11: that actually rewards men who have these these embattled relationships
Speaker 11: with their fathers. It was true for Barack Obama, it's
Speaker 11: true for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We're seeing it with JD.
Speaker 12: Vance.
Speaker 11: And then you have Tim Wallace, who's this lovely father figure.
Speaker 11: And so it is time for a Mayerorica to have
Speaker 11: this reckoning around its own consistent daddy issues. And you know,
Speaker 11: this is the way we can solve the in cell problem.
Speaker 11: Who knew we just needed a high school football coach.
Speaker 7: I also want to say it is so important when
Speaker 7: we talked about the firstness of Kamala Harris, and often
Speaker 7: when we talk about gender and race, we behave as
Speaker 7: though the only people who have gender and race are
Speaker 7: people who are not white men, and white men have
Speaker 7: both gender and race, and so I think it's really
Speaker 7: important that we keep the performances of all kinds of
Speaker 7: gender in mind when we speak critically about what's happening
Speaker 7: on this election stage.
Speaker 4: That's right, there are eighty more days to go until
Speaker 4: the election. How are you feeling? Are you feeling optimistic?
Speaker 4: What is the proper healthy way to channel all of
Speaker 4: these feelings of anger and rage and uncertainty and positivity
Speaker 4: and joy.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 11: I believe in faith and hope because I come from
Speaker 11: working class Black people in the Deep South, who didn't
Speaker 11: grow up with a lot of possibility, who didn't have
Speaker 11: a lot of possibility, but who kept getting up every
Speaker 11: day and trying again. And so it's always the height
Speaker 11: of a certain kind of access and privilege when I
Speaker 11: see people assuming that we get the benefit and the
Speaker 11: indulgence of our cynicism, the indulgence of our disaffection.
Speaker 9: All it means.
Speaker 11: What it means to be a black person in this
Speaker 11: country is that we have to fight every day for
Speaker 11: new possibilities for ourselves. And I think that that's the
Speaker 11: lesson that America can take from having a black woman
Speaker 11: run for the presidency. That is what black people have
Speaker 11: taught this country is that if we want it, we
Speaker 11: have to fight for it, and so let's go. That's
Speaker 11: where I am.
Speaker 12: Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3: I'm going to leave it right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's go.
Speaker 3: El Becca Trace, her Briney Cooper will be right back.
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Speaker 4: Now Here, it is your moment of zend.
Speaker 13: The guy we're running against what's his name? Donald Dumper
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