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Speaker 1: Welcome into a week sixteen Giants Hangout, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Kretstrown. My name is Madeline Burke, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Russ Salzburg and Matt Sytek and guys. The next

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Speaker 1: opponent on the docket for these New York Football Giants

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Speaker 1: is the Atlanta Falcons. Of course, they're coming off a

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Speaker 1: tough loss to the Ravens at home on Sunday. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest issues that we've seen throughout the season,

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Speaker 1: and especially highlighted last week, was the inability to finish

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Speaker 1: in the red zone or you know, you get yourself

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Speaker 1: in scoring position and you end up without any points

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Speaker 1: on the board. And that's a tough thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're driving down the field, if you're getting there

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Speaker 1: and whatever it may be, whether you're inability to convert

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Speaker 1: a down or you know, an inability to execute or

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Speaker 1: a misque or what have you. When you get into

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Speaker 1: that position and you can't convert it to points, that's

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Speaker 1: a frustrating point.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean listen, whether it's last week or for

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Speaker 2: the past season and before that, I mean, red zone

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Speaker 2: has been you know, the Achilles seal. If you will,

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Speaker 2: you can drive down a field and you know, Mattel.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing to come up empty in

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Speaker 2: the red zone, but when you're doing it off a

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Speaker 2: whether whether maybe it's off a turnover or a long drive,

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Speaker 2: it's demoralizing. What we need to do, is what the

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Speaker 2: coach and the general manager need to do is find

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Speaker 2: out where these guys fit and do they fit into

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Speaker 2: next season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the red zone struggles have Honestly, that's

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Speaker 3: been a big common theme for unfortunately the entire season.

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Speaker 3: That's no, you know, it wasn't just like a last

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Speaker 3: week issue. I mean heading into Week sixteen the Giant,

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Speaker 3: we know the Giants have the lowest scoring offense in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and a big part of that is because

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Speaker 3: they have the number thirty two ranked red zone offense.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you can't score when you get close

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Speaker 3: to the goal line, you're just not going to win

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Speaker 3: football games. And we've seen that unfortunately since Week one

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Speaker 3: pretty much. So that's you know, definitely a big theme

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Speaker 3: and thing that you hope to see some improvements over

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Speaker 3: these next three weeks and maybe hope that that will

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Speaker 3: carry over, you know, some momentum going into next year

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Speaker 3: to have that fixed. I don't Honestly, I don't really

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Speaker 3: know what a solution is to those red zone offense struggles.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess maybe try to simplify things, you know,

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Speaker 3: when you get close, maybe try to feed Tyrone Tracy,

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Speaker 3: or just get the ball into your playmaker's hands with Tracy,

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Speaker 3: Molik Neighbors, whoever it is. But yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: been a struggle all season, and you know, we hope

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Speaker 3: to see some improvements this week, and especially because the

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Speaker 3: matchup against the Falcons. Atlanta's defense coming off a very

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Speaker 3: good game against the Raiders, but their red zone defense

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Speaker 3: has not been that great throughout the season as well.

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Speaker 3: They ranked twenty fifth in red zone defense. So it

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Speaker 3: is an opportunity for the Giants to hopefully take advantage of.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if they can do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Matt, I'm sorry, Matt. You know, Matt,

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Speaker 2: you bring up two important names though, Malik and Tracy,

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Speaker 2: and in fairness to both those guys, when you said

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Speaker 2: put the ball in your playmaker's hands, listen, both of

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Speaker 2: them looked good last week. They've had very good, if

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Speaker 2: you will, rookie seasons, and we certainly listen as we

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Speaker 2: know what we expected from Molik Neighbors. I don't think

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Speaker 2: expected this from a fifth round draft pick in you know, Tracy,

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Speaker 2: so me. And then the other question is when you say,

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Speaker 2: when we get into the red zone, put it in

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Speaker 2: their hands, do we have the right guy putting it

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Speaker 2: in their hands? These are all this is all part

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Speaker 2: of the problems and part of the process moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I mean, you know, moving forward one game

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Speaker 1: at a time. We talk a lot about the Giants

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Speaker 1: offense right now and what they need to do. This

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Speaker 1: Falcons team that's got to change quarterback this week. Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 1: junior number eight, all picked by the Falcons, making his

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Speaker 1: He's been having struggles as of late, and so the

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Speaker 1: Falcons said, you know what, three games left in the season,

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Speaker 1: let's turn to the future and see what the rookiees got.

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Speaker 1: When you make a change at quarterback, though, it's always

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Speaker 1: kind of an interesting thing because as a team preparing

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Speaker 1: for your next opponent, you're watching tape, you're watching film

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Speaker 1: on that team's last few games. So you're seeing the

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Speaker 1: way that this offense is run with Kirk Cousins at

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Speaker 1: of things. So how do you think, you know Pennix

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Speaker 1: being in at quarterback, Matt is going to affect the

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Speaker 1: you know he's a mobile quarterback. And especially when you

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Speaker 1: look at the way that the Giants run defense over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, you know has had their

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Speaker 1: challenges and stepped up in ways, but you know this

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Speaker 1: is going to be another interesting challenge for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I mean it's always tough when you're facing

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Speaker 3: a quarterback that quite frankly, you have zero regular season

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Speaker 3: are doing. I mean, Michael Pennix, I believe went in

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Speaker 3: for maybe one series all season, like his five pass

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Speaker 3: attempts on the season. He does have some tape from

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Speaker 3: the preseason, and I imagine that between the preseason and

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Speaker 3: then going back to last year, at Washington. That is

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Speaker 3: the game tape that the Giants coaching staff is going

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Speaker 3: to really focus on this week. But in terms of

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Speaker 3: what to expect, I mean, Michael Pennicks. He had a

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Speaker 3: fantastic season for Washington last year. You know, he was

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Speaker 3: the main reason why that they had that late run

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Speaker 3: into the College Football Playoff. He's a very accurate passer

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Speaker 3: and you know he is more mobile than Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 3: That's not really saying much because at this point Kirk

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Speaker 3: Cousins at his age, coming off the injury that he

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Speaker 3: had last year, frankly was I think he had two

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Speaker 3: the football. I don't think you're going to see that

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Speaker 3: much more rushing with Michael Pennox. Of course, he can

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Speaker 3: move around the pocket a little bit better than Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 3: considering he's a decade plus younger than him. But in

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Speaker 3: terms of his passing, he is a very accurate passer

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Speaker 3: and he's going to be able to get the football

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Speaker 3: into those Falcons pass catchers' hands. Between Drake London, Darnell Mooney,

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Speaker 3: even Kyle Pitts, who hasn't done much this season. Putting

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennicks in could be the catalyst that really sparks

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Speaker 3: this offense. I mean, Atlanta's still fully in the playoff runt.

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Speaker 3: They're only one game back from Tampa Bay. This isn't

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Speaker 3: a move that they made just looking towards the future.

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Speaker 3: They're still trying to win and make the playoffs right now,

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Speaker 3: and clearly they think that Michael Penix gives them the

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Speaker 3: best opportunity to do that. Otherwise, you don't make that

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Speaker 3: move after signing Kirk Cousins to such a large deal

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Speaker 3: only a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, they just felt that You're right, Matt Cousins hasn't

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Speaker 2: looked good and as you say, they're a game behind

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Speaker 2: in their division, so they needed to do something. This

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Speaker 2: is not like let's check out the kid for next season.

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Speaker 2: Let's check out the kid now and see if he

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Speaker 2: can take us into the postseason. I'm glaire. You also

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Speaker 2: brought out his accuracy. You know, at Washington, not only

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Speaker 2: was he an accurate passer, but he was an accurate

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Speaker 2: long way, you know, So that's going to be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see, and again it's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 2: see how the d backs for the Giants handle it right, And.

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Speaker 1: A slight detail, but an important one too, is that

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Speaker 1: he's a lefty, so it kind of mirrors the way

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Speaker 1: the field is laid out too, because instead of going

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Speaker 1: we'll see how that plays out. And there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: tape on him out there as the Giants prepare for that.

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Speaker 1: But not just Pennix, of course, it's a huge change

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Speaker 1: for the Falcons offense. But you know, you've got Bijon

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Speaker 1: Robinson leading the Falcons over eleven hundred rushing yards fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred yards from scrimmage so far this season, just kind

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Speaker 1: of dominating in that game. Drake London, you know, a

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Speaker 1: that regard as well. When you look at the way

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Speaker 1: that these skill position players are a factor as well, Matt,

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Speaker 1: where are you putting your focus on if you're the

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Speaker 1: Giants defense saying, Okay, this is what we got to

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Speaker 1: prioritize to shut this down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you had asked me that at this

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Speaker 3: time yesterday, it would have been a lot easier because

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Speaker 3: I al said, all you have to do is focus

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Speaker 3: Now that equation has obviously changed a good amount, I

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Speaker 3: still think your number one priority, similar to the last

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Speaker 3: two weeks, should be shutting down or at least attempting

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Speaker 3: to shut down or contain Bjon Robinson because, similar to

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Speaker 3: Robinson is one of the best running backs in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and unlike those other two, he is a lot younger.

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Speaker 3: He's still very fresh. He's young, He's got a ton

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Speaker 3: of you know, energy. He is a very tough guy

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Speaker 3: to take down, especially in the open field. So slowing

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Speaker 3: him down definitely has to be priority one, but it

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Speaker 3: can't be your only priority. And I last week I

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Speaker 3: said priority one, two and three has to be shutting

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Speaker 3: down Derrick Henry. Well, Giants did a gat at slowing

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Speaker 3: down Derek Henry. He did still average you know, four

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Speaker 3: point I think four point seven yards per carry. But

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Speaker 3: if you told me that Derreck Henry would finish the

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Speaker 3: game with sixty seven total yards, I think all of

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Speaker 3: us would have signed up for that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: the flip side of that was that Lamar Jackson had

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Speaker 3: one of the best games of his career as a passer,

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Speaker 3: throwing for almost three hundred yards and five touchdowns. So

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Speaker 3: while we don't know exactly what Michael Pennox is going

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Speaker 3: to bring to the table, considering it's his first start,

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Speaker 3: priority number one should still be slowing down Bijon. But

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Speaker 3: as we saw last week, you gotta still, you know,

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Speaker 3: toughen up in this and you can't let those pass catchers,

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Speaker 3: especially Darnell Moody, who is such a deep threat, you

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Speaker 3: cannot let him get behind you for one of those

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Speaker 3: forty plus yard touchdowns that we saw Rashan Bateman get

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Speaker 3: two of last week.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know you're also talking about matt which is

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought it up because I wanted to

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Speaker 2: bring it up before those forty yard plays, those big plays,

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Speaker 2: the Achilles heel, one of the Achilles heels, if you will.

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Speaker 2: For the Giants this season has been giving up the

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Speaker 2: big play, and you know last week was another example.

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Speaker 2: Well the score with two point fifteen left in the

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Speaker 2: first half, Giants score a touchdown it's a fourteen to

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Speaker 2: seven game, a fourteen to seven game. Two fifteen left

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Speaker 2: in the first half, and then I look at the

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Speaker 2: person sitting next to me in a press box and

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Speaker 2: I say, you know what, if the Giants can get

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Speaker 2: out of this and they get the ball to start

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Speaker 2: the second half, they could be in good shape. Then

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Speaker 2: they can make this an interesting football game. What happens

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Speaker 2: two fifteen left, they go downfield. It's now a twenty

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Speaker 2: one to seven game, and already the demralization had set in.

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Speaker 2: You know, the game flip where it could have gone

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Speaker 2: would have, should have doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Amni Tumor always says, if some butts

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Speaker 1: were camping, then every day would be Christmas, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's tough when you see the moments where

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Speaker 1: and you know at this point, yes, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: at moving forward. And so Russ or Matt, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you on this one. When you look at the

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Speaker 1: remaining three games here, what is the highlight? What do

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Speaker 1: you need to see from this Giants team as the

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Speaker 3: Right, frankly, the number one thing I want to see.

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Speaker 3: I just want to see some fight in these guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's not much to play for at this point.

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Speaker 3: We all know that the Giants are two and twelve,

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Speaker 3: They're not making the playoffs. Like, the only thing you

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Speaker 3: can play for at this point is pride, and I

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Speaker 3: know the players in the locker room care very much

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Speaker 3: about that. They're still going out there and giving it

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Speaker 3: there all every single week. Now, obviously last week's game

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Speaker 3: it was still somewhat a lopsided, a fair and you

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Speaker 3: want to see these last three games. Whether or not

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Speaker 3: want to win all three games, that's number one priority,

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Speaker 3: But you just want to see these guys, show fight,

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Speaker 3: keep these games at the very least, keep them close

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Speaker 3: because you're playing for pride. I mean, you're playing for

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Speaker 3: a potential spot on this team next year, or even

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Speaker 3: if it's not a spot on this team, a spot

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Speaker 3: on another NFL roster next year. And you know again,

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow mentioned this about the Bengals like last week,

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Speaker 3: I want to see who's willing to give it there

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Speaker 3: all at this point when the season, you know, seems

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Speaker 3: kind of lost. The Giants are the same exact way.

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Speaker 3: I want to see who's going to go out there,

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Speaker 3: give it one hundred and ten percent for every single

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You know, you know, listen, the three

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Speaker 2: We see him on the field, we see him at practice,

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Speaker 2: we see him in the locker room. And the one

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Speaker 2: thing that you have to give them credit, I have

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Speaker 2: not seen anybody quit. And that credit to the players,

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Speaker 2: and quite frankly, you know credit listen. They get criticized plenty,

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Speaker 2: but credit to the coaching staff and everybody in that

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Speaker 2: nobody has quit here. They have kept they keep playing

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Speaker 2: and keep playing and listen, when you have the record

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Speaker 2: that they have, you are certainly demoralized. I'll use an example,

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Speaker 2: and I think we all can agree. A new giant

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Speaker 2: this season, Brian Burns exemplifies what playing hard all the

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Speaker 2: time is playing hurt whatever I mean, nobody. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's anybody on the squad that hates losing more

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Speaker 2: but he goes out there every day and I'm not

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Speaker 2: using a cliche. He's giving you one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: percent all the time. That's what we have to see

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Speaker 2: moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's a lot of effort, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: fight in these guys. Is the season kind of winds down,

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Speaker 1: but it is a tough one. You know, a two

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Speaker 1: and twelve season oho and eight at home, nine street losses.

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Speaker 1: It can weigh on you. But as you mentioned, Russ,

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Speaker 1: you see these guys every week showing up and preparing

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Speaker 1: and putting their best foot forward and hopefully that translates

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Speaker 1: to something positive before the season comes to a close.

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Speaker 1: But that's a wrap for our week. Sixteen Giants Hangout

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Crestrowan for Russ Salzburg and Matt Seytek.

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Speaker 1: I'm Madeline Burke. We'll see you next time.