WEBVTT - Benjamin Watson talks Tom Brady vs Drew Brees, speaking on societal issues, going to graduate school at 43 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.400 Hey everybody, this is Benjamin Watson, sixteen year NFL VET. 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.160 I'm an author, a broadcaster, a father, most importantly a 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.119 husband of twenty years, looking forward to this podcast. Make 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.160 sure you tune in. This is the NFL Players Second 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:14.240 Act Podcast. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.000 Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player Second 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:23.880 Act Podcast. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.400 I'm Pena Tillman and this is Roman Man Harper. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.400 Yeah, yeah, that was your first introduction. Anyways, I want 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.960 first of all, thank iHeartRadio for letting them for allowing 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.040 us to have their studios. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:36.320 Yeah. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.320 Right here in the northwest side of Atlanta. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.960 I call it midtown, but it's all good. We'll be 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:42.680 bougie today. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:42.960 Yeah. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.120 I can't wait to talk to our next guest because 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.680 he's a former teammate of mine, a great person, and 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.360 I call him a teammate now on what I'm doing 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.000 on my side hustle, So Pina introduce him. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:58.200 A sixteen year NFL VET, Super Bowl champion, broadcaster, author 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.560 and probably is known as probably the best teammate around 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:02.120 the NFL. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.560 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ben watching to show. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:12.520 Mister appreciate you guys. Thanks, thanks for coming to our 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.280 knock of the woods and this is not I know, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.119 I'm still like fifty minutes away and it was raining 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.080 in Atlanta, so that traffic is you know. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.320 I hear when the traffic is like really bad. I 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.200 don't know, I heard. I've never really experienced. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.600 Like outside we're in the in the country. I see 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.280 I see cows and turkey. I saw some turkeys this 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.120 morning in all the traffic. But yeah, Atlanta, if you're 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:35.880 if you're like. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.840 LA bad, what I've did, it's like sometimes worse than 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.280 l a bad. Like La is bad, but like Atlanta's 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.080 just like and it's really because it just stretches for 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.200 so long. Yeah that from the moment you really started 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.480 to cross over from Alabama. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:58.520 Alabama, it's like Alabama all the way like Htol which 0:01:58.560 --> 0:01:59.960 is almost with the darn the South. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.840 Yeah, you know forever. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.920 I think that's the most frustrating thing about the the 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.800 traffic here in Atlanta for Ben specifically, Bro, you know 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.320 how much you mean to me. Uh, I want to 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.040 tell everybody you know Ben Watson. Uh he goes by 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.600 Benjamin Watson. I call him Ben. So that's how I'm 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.520 not offended. Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan. We can 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:20.200 talk about it later. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:20.920 Yeah, we go. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.760 So Ben became came to New Orleans in twenty thirteen, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.800 he'd already been around an NFL VET, and you know 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.360 what he meant to that locker room, being a veteran 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.240 presence in there. And some of the funniest stories I 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.160 remember was because you know, Jimmy Graham was still on 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.120 this team at this point. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.000 Jim was the quote unquote older tight end was og. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.640 I was in I was the year ten plus at 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.000 up point. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.200 Yeah, And it was just so funny because I'm like Ben, like, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.760 all right, man, they you you're having to block now, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.160 and like He's like, look, bro, because I'm like, Jimmy 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:53.880 Graham ain't blocked. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:55.959 You told me to, and they showed them made me 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.239 block all the time. I was like, dude, I'm not 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.200 even gonna cover your practice. I know you're not going 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:01.840 out for a pass. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.720 I already knew it was this. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.880 Guy for two teams already comes in the D's like, dude, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.080 I'm like the blocking tight end. And I was like, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.200 so when does that kind of happen in your career? 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.720 He's like, dude, first of all, no tight ends, Like, bro, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:24.200 I want to be a blocking tight end enough to 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.320 where like, Okay, now you're going to be a blocker 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.800 and you either get better at it or you have. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.600 Did you lose the stuff or anything. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:38.440 No, it was it was the position. Look, Jimmy Graham 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.880 deserved to be the number. I mean this dude, Honestly, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.360 if you would have told me this guy what's going 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.680 to break all the records, I wouldn't believe it. Yeah, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.040 because he because he was on a tear. I'm talking 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.080 about the last few years there in New Orleans. Probably 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.600 the best play with a lot of good athletes, probably 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.560 the best complete athlete I've ever seen, run, jumped, fast, smart, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.320 all that time of stuff. And so, yeah, Sean Paynon's offense, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.320 but with Sean it was always everybody had a role. Yeah. 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.080 So you had the one guy who was really fast, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.600 take the top off. We're not throwing you the ball, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:16.400 no doubt. Jill Morgan, yep, or meach you're really fast, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.680 We're probably not gonna throw you the ball, especially as 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.520 you get older. Had another guy that was intermediate, had 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.520 Jimmy where everything flew through went through him. And then 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.880 you had another guy me who you're gonna be on 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.080 the backside, You're gonna block. We might throw you a 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.960 little check down every now and then and do your job. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.640 The good thing, however, was because of the muscle memory 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.640 that Drew Brees had with Jimmy Graham when they traded Jimmy. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.120 All of a sudden, I'm in year thirteen having a 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.680 career year, in year twelve having a career year because 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:49.920 I getting all the passes now. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.919 Yeah, so in that year, statistically, you had one hundred 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.200 and ten targets, seventy four catches, eight hundred and twenty 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.160 five yards, and I for your career lead in six touchdowns. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.760 Yeah. And year twelve or thirteen, Yeah, I was thirty 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.240 five years old. My wife's looking at My wife's looking 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.599 at me like I thought you were gonna retire. I 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:08.080 was like, uh. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.080 For the timing kick in, Ben, What was your first 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.839 welcome to the NFL moment? 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.320 Well, had a couple first. And one was the first 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.520 time I saw Michael Strahan in person. He's a get. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.559 Together large and you're well life together. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.560 Yeah, but this dude and like his arms were by 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.640 his knees and he could scratch his knee caps and 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.760 we were playing in preseason and I was thinking he's 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.760 a d N I called my daddy. I don't think 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.200 I can. I don't think it's gonna work out for me. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.680 I can't bock these guys, you know. So I saw 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.200 him in person. The other Welcome to the NFL moment. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.839 Was did you even have to block him? Or you 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.400 just saw me? 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.040 I just saw him facing our sideline like Goliath taunting 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.239 the Israelites, and he was like facing our sideline looking 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.560 at us. And it was the preseason, like the fourth 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.440 preseason game. He won't even gonna play. And that was enough. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.520 I need, I need to have to mess with him, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.839 Praise God. The other one was where I'm practice in 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.520 New England, and uh, you know, you're a rookie. You're 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.880 trying to figure everything out. You're just learning the place. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.800 You're learning what you have to do, not necessarily what 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.400 everybody else has to do, and not necessarily about reading 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.080 the coverages. I just want to know my route. Get 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.760 that first, so we uh we run a play. I'm 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.400 out wide, so a while I've got to go route 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.279 the safety blitzes. I need to run a side adjust 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.360 I don't run it. And then I hear this thing. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.039 It sounds like a torpedo come past my helmet. Tom 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.200 Brady threw the ball at me and I heard the 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.239 ball coming, but I wasn't looking for it. It almost 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.680 knocked me out. And the welcome moment was the fact that, look, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.359 it's not just about knowing your route. You got to 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.360 know three or four things after your route. It ain't 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.880 enough just to know check the box. I gotta go route. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.400 You better read coverage, you know everything else, because he's 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.320 going to throw you the ball, and then after that 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.560 you're not going to play anymore because he would he 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.440 doesn't trust you. Yeah, luckily I got a second chance. 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.200 But that was just because I was a first round pick. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:17.400 Oh, I mean that does help. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:19.320 That that's help. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.560 How about that's all they learned that in the game. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.960 Did you have anything specifically in a game your first 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.280 like what was like, oh man, this is the league, like. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.600 Ray Lewis hits you or some way like No, I 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.440 avoided Ray hitting him. I used to get him in 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.920 coverage a lot, and that was no problem. I wrote 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.480 Ray up coverage. Yeah, didn't have to block him, Praise God. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:49.200 But I'll tell you one thing, EMMITTT. Smith we played 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:49.880 in Arizona. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:51.640 Damn that Emmitt Smith. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:57.400 That this is two thousand and four. So this isn't 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.240 like a welcome to NFL moment where you get hit 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.960 or anything like that. But this is two thousand and four. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.040 He's playing for the Cardinals. We're playing in Sun Devil 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:11.040 Stadium in like September, so it was like one hundred 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.000 and twenty degrees. So we go out there and we're 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.680 warming up, and then the game starts and then I'm 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.440 on the sideline and I look out there and the 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.640 Smith is in the backfield, and I'm like, I'm on 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.640 the same field as Mma Smith right now. I don't 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.800 know what it was, but it just like, oh my goodness, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.360 that was it. That was it. That was it. I'll 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.439 never forget that. And then also buying, you know, twelve 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:40.520 dozen donuts for Willie McGinnis, what's a big one too, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:45.559 and spending our rookie dinner that year was I think 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:50.480 the bill came to forty nine thousand dollars our rookie dinner. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.920 Oh so, y'all, SA got the whole team, the whole team, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.319 and we all to split it up. Yeah, I remember 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:02.880 writing a check for nine grand rookie dinner. Welcome, Welcome 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:03.480 to the NFL. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.320 My friend, I had to do just the defense, and 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.640 my Bill was like fifteen eighteen licked me. And it 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.240 was really because if you know everybody, you know Charles Grant, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.559 so of course of course, CG. You'll take the whole 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.000 team out. No, no, just the defense, just the defense. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.280 They kind of protected me. But then yeah, they also didn't. Yeah, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.280 and I remember like one one other rookie, he was 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.040 like a he was a free agent guy. He ordered 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.080 a state and then it was like, oh, I didn't. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.800 I don't think I wanted that. When I wanted this guy, 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:37.800 I said, you're gonna eat that. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.920 They fact, yeah, some choice. I'm sure there was something 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.120 else that followed you. You said something else, like with 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:45.640 your chest. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.400 I thought this will for was gonna go shoot somebody. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.480 He was so mad. Dude's walking out of Smith and 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.959 Willinsky in Boston with bottles of Chris who was walking 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.840 out putting it in the refrigerator for later on us. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.640 This was about the fight. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:05.760 Glad they don't do that no more so. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.880 I don't know what year it was, but you're probably 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.320 Bill Belichick's one of his favorite players, and it was 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.600 it was voted as it was voted, let me here, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:15.520 let me, let me finish it. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:16.000 On the set. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.000 You wouldn't know that from you said. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.079 It was voted like probably the eighty fifth best play 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:24.160 of there's. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.440 No there's no eighty there's no probably. It was voted 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:32.520 eighty fifth. Can you not do that? Just like a terrible, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.240 terrible man? Anybody ever told you that you're. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.280 A terrible work wife. I want a divorce, you bad, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.880 Come give me somebody else. It was voted the eighty 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.360 fifth excuse me I received, let me, let me try back. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:47.640 Let me. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.640 It was voted the eighty fifth best play, the chant 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.040 Bayley play where you ran him down? 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.520 How tired were you? 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.760 My high exhausted, But I don't know. I don't know 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.600 as tired as he was a boat gas both guys. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.720 That was you know, I was just mad, honestly because 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.800 I hadn't called it past that game. I was pissed off, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.360 and so that probably fueled all that, you know, chase 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.520 something down. I'm just mad that back then there were 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.240 no pile on cameras and so they got they got 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.400 it wrong, like it should have been a touchback the 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.240 ball the zone. Yeah, we should have got the ball. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.079 Instead they got the ball scored on next player on 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.280 the one yard line. But it should have been. I 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:29.880 know for a fact the ball went out of the 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.440 end zone. I get back to Boston and literally for 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:37.160 years after that, I got people from Harvard m I. T. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.280 Talking about They've done case studies on the play, the speed, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.640 my speed, his speed, the way we hit collided, the 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.959 projection of the ball, the elevation, the ball went out 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.080 of the back of the end zone. Referees got it wrong. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:53.360 I believe it. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.640 I just remember looking at you on the sideline and 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:00.880 you just you just like laid there. It bounces off 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.400 the back of him, his head bounces off the ground. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.280 Man, just he just laid there. He just was I'm 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:07.240 sure you just like. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.000 Was like, man, that was pretty impressive. Bro. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.679 He look if I'm champ, I'm low key mad, Like 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:17.760 why dobody tell me? 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.199 Boys was tired? Yeah, were done? 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:23.240 And the best is. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.000 Like they had they had They had one of the 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.640 mics over was one of the boom mics. They had 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.520 a mic over on the Broncos sideline. It was like, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:30.880 who was that? 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:31.280 Who was that? 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.240 The tight end like you heard it in their was 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.439 like the tight end. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:43.040 Yeah, sleep, I could run back then? Who threw a 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.200 better football? Drew Brees and Tom Brady? 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:46.600 What do you mean by that? 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.960 Who if Ben Watson had to have a catch from 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.440 one person, that is life depended on it, And I 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.120 need the I just needed Who's Who's whose one? 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.280 You take it? My life depended on it? 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.960 Yeah, who's throwing the rock to? Been watching Tom Brady 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:02.400 or Drew Brees? 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.160 Where are we playing? 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.160 Oh my gosh, all these hypothetic You're asking the question 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.640 I'm asking and then getting mad that you're asking hypothetica. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.000 Where are we playing? What's tom of year? What's the situation? 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.160 Situational football man? All right? 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:25.079 In the fourth quarter of an indoor game? Who threw 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.760 a better ball? Shoot Drew Brees and the dome? Baby, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.000 it ain't no wind, ain't no sun. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.880 Now if we take that same game, yeah, and we 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.439 go to Buffalo the fourth quarter and the winner is 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.600 blowing the gold post sideways. Give me Thomas with Patrick Brady. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.440 That's what he does, Jr. Forgot the junior, That's what 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:46.920 he does. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.240 Give me, Give me a situation, the environment in or 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.440 outdoor year, Drew Brady, give to me all. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.640 I like that. What was it like playing for two 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.360 Hall of Fame quarterbacks like that? 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:02.600 Though? 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.880 Like as far as like in and out of the huddle, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:05.920 the way they operate. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.600 Because I practiced against Tom, like we would come up 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.400 there in scrimmage against them, and so so I've seen 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.840 him operate and I just love. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.520 His humility, his humility. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.200 I know Drew very personally, but can not be a 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.520 teammate of Tom and to see his humility, but then 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.160 also getting guy's face. Make guys do laps when they 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.880 jump offside. Dude, it's a little different up there. Competitors. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.239 They're both competitors. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.000 Yeah, And there's no cookie cutter for a leader, Like 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.920 there are certain traits that leaders have. They serve, they 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.360 lead by example, they're vocal, but they're all different in 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.040 their own way because of their personalities and two totally 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:46.520 different personalities. Tom is, as you mentioned, he's boisterous. He'll 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.800 yelling the scream practice, he's yelling at the defense like 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.520 that's how he is. Drew is a little more reserved, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.880 although he loses it sometimes too, as we all do. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.000 But he's not yelling on the sideline. He's more the side, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.640 you know, leader that gets things done on the sideline. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.760 But they both prepare very well. I remember coming to 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.640 New Orleans and my first year there. And I walk 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.320 in there on like a maybe a Friday or Saturday, 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.440 might have been a Saturday. And I walk into the 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.520 weight room. You know, we had the fieldhouse right next 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.360 to the weight room, they know facility, And it was 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.880 dark in their nor facility except for some shadows. And 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.320 I look out there and I see this shadow figure 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.880 out on the field by himself. He was out there 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.520 for probably twenty thirty forty minutes. And I was talking 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.600 to the strength coach, ask what Drew was doing out there. Oh, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.400 he's going through He's going through his checks in the 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.360 game plan. This dude was out there in the dark 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.600 by himself, going through every single play on offense, going 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.520 through every you see her, every single read, every single read. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:55.440 He's going through by himself, visualizing the game, the preparation 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.280 of things that these guys do in the dark. I 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.600 remember coming home, I had an ACL and I was 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.160 out my rookie year in New England. The team had 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.440 a game in like San Diego. You know, when you're 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.400 playing San Diego you're from Boston. That's like a six 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.320 hour flight, Like you're not getting back to a rush 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.880 till morning rush hour. The next day if you're playing 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.480 on a Sunday night. So I come in for rehab 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.240 early in the morning. The team that played a night 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.920 game out there in San Diego. Walking there to the 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.320 locker room, nobody's there. I hear somebody in the weight room. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.840 I go into the weight room because I had to 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:30.080 do my rehab. Tom's in there working out. Got off 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.880 the plane set instead of going home, decided to go 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.240 in there and get his work out in. And so 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.160 those are the things I think that when you hear 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:44.080 guys talk about those two quarterbacks specifically, it's leadership. It's commitment, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.520 it's preparation, it's challenging other players, it's lifting guys you 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.840 know the way they play. It is trust, it's being 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.520 it's being in the It's being in the in the 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.760 in the huddle and looking at those guys and saying, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.280 which all here, I know, we got a chance to win. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.360 So you're known around the league. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.440 Your reputation around the league is being known as probably 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.440 a great teammate for one and then two, just like leadership, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.440 do you view yourself as being like one of the 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.520 best leaders or great leaders around the league. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.520 You know, I think that leadership is is is something 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:18.320 that that's earned. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:19.800 Yeah, over time. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.520 I do think that there are certain innate qualities that 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.199 we all have that can lend themselves to being leaders 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.879 at a larger scale when we have the right opportunity, right, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.560 And so for me, you know, when you're a rookie 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.560 in the league, your first second, third year, be quiet, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.720 learn what to do, especially in New England, you know, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.919 be seen not heard, and that was how you operate. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.560 Then as you get older, you're automatically a leader once 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.159 you've been in for a while, you know how it is. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.639 Once you get plast eight ten years, you tog you 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.159 og dude looking at you as a leader, whether you 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.400 feel like you're a leader or not. And then what's 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:01.159 interesting is God God elevates your or your platform from 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.600 a leadership perspective sometimes when you least expect it. And 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.280 so for me, really the last five years of my 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:14.760 career in twenty fourteen, you remember when I'm in Saint Louis, Missouri, 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.439 where the officer killed the young black kid and there 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.159 were riots and people were crying, some people were upset, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.760 and then they decided not to indet the officer. I'm 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.359 a backup, blocking tight end. I'm pissed because look, I 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.520 love this team, but inside I want to start. I 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.560 want to play, you know, I want to I want 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.920 my name to be in lights. But I wasn't on 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.280 the field. And it was at that moment, really that 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.359 things transition from a leadership perspective, even outside of the 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.359 locker room. Because I write this Facebook post about what 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.119 happened about my feelings, and you know, people see it. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.040 I get an opportunity to speak about race and faith 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.240 in this country and all these sorts of things, and 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.440 I'm looked at as a as a leader in a 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.800 different line. But really it's simply because I was just 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:04.640 doing what I was supposed to do in the dark, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.679 and God decided at that point in time, I'm going 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.280 to elevate you and give you an opportunity. And I 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:14.760 think the lesson there is for leaders that we learn 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.160 how to be leaders in the mundane, like we learn 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.920 how to be leaders in the common practices of life. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.600 Many times we think of leadership is something that has 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.840 to be seen in the big lights on television. You 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.679 gotta have thousands of people following, you know, leaders are 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.560 forged in the crucible of being responsible, with the responsibilities 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.680 that you have as a husband, as a father, as 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.960 a teammate, and then a if you get an opportunity 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.960 to shine on a larger scale, man, if you're responsible 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:45.560 with little, you can be responsible with much. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:48.880 I mean, like that, that's beautifully said. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.280 Yeah, I'm not surprised. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.520 I mean, this guy does write books, So that's trying 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.480 to worry it down. You kind of did you kind 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.159 of did use you just let that. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:00.880 Was briefully said. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:03.000 But I'm not surprised. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.320 I mean, like you just. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.120 So good, don't do that. But I will say this though, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.720 because I how did that? 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.320 Because you went from being an angry, disgruntled, you know, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.520 second string tight end at the time. That's happened to 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.720 block you guys were not you didn't have a great 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.639 year that year. The Saints did not in twenty fourteen 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.240 when you started hard. Then you got back because you 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:27.960 let us get in the playoffs that year. I'm not 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:36.359 saying I'm bragging or anything. But then all of a sudden, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.080 I see you on like CNN, and you're not just 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:41.680 on TV like talking football. 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:43.600 You're talking everything else but. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.239 That Andry Evince, yeah current Evince politics, and people are 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.280 looking at you. It is like this guy is in 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.680 a sport that everybody looks at it is like they're 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:59.320 not smart, they're dumb, they're just yeah, yeah, the basketball, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.920 play football. They're looking at you like, no, he has 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.440 the spoken word of a real man. He's got yeah, 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.000 he's got great ideas, he's got opinions. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:12.200 What was that like? 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.359 How was that I don't even want to call it 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.320 a transition, but what was that little though, that week, 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:18.760 in that time in your life? 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:19.520 What was that like? 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.120 Well, you know how it is in the locker room. Look, 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:27.200 there's a perception about professional athletes, especially football players. I 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.840 like to say we're the most educated professional sport, honestly 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.760 because all our guys, most of them go to college. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.520 You know, you got to go Yeah, you go from 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.600 high school, and so we're educated. We got guys in 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.160 these locker rooms that are smart, that understand the world, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.800 that care about different things, and so like, for me, 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.840 the the awesome thing was having an ability to express 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.520 yourself in ways that you hadn't quite before and having 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.119 an opportunity to speak about things that impact all of us. 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:03.280 I mean, we're fathers, right, we're husbands, we were citizens 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.359 of this country. We care about what happened we come 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.280 from communities, we live in communities like we have aspirations 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.200 outside of the game. We want our voices to be 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.280 heard and understood as much as anybody else, and we 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.800 deserve that we have dignity as humans that are outside 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.639 of our ability to play football. And so when you 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.080 have an opportunity to go on cable news or go 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.880 speak somewhere and it has nothing to do with football, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.000 it's a good feeling at the same time. At the 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.080 same time, one of the first things that people tell 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.560 you when you get in the league is use football. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.399 Don't let football you just use you right, use football, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.960 don't let football use you. And it's because of football 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.480 that I had an opportunity to do those things. It's 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.480 because of football that we all have different opportunities because 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.600 there is a certain platform and gravitize that comes with 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.199 playing this game. But when it's shifted and you can 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.800 opportunity to speak about other things, it's also of validating 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.640 to say I'm not that I'm more than an athlete, 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.359 but that the totality of who I am is is 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:10.960 much greater than the sport. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.080 Did you get a lot of I don't want to 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.200 say hate, but like negativity towards speaking on some of 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:19.000 the current events. 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.200 Was there a lot of smoke that came with that. 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:23.240 I mean, I don't even think we called a smoke 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:28.080 back then, but yeah, but you know that there's what's 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.680 what what's cool is they always say, don't talk about 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.119 politics and religion, you know, but but in football we 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.159 used to. We talk about all this stuff. Such a 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:39.560 different space, exactly. 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:44.720 The safest space you've ever been. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.000 It is just crazy. In corporate incorporate, you can't say 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.760 nothing like needles, like guys, it's okay like this, these 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.080 are things we're all thinking about. Let's just talk about it. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.960 And so it was cool to see even coaches coming 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.200 aside and I heard what you said. I agree with it. 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.680 Although I can't, you know, really talk about it. I 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.760 will get messages from people that agree with me one 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.320 hundred percent, people that thought I was a complete idiot 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.560 in a buffoon, and everywhere in between. People are looking 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:17.880 for authenticity. And what I mean by that is, even 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.920 if we just got out a political election, whenever you 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:23.760 see this podcast, it might be a few months ago, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:25.840 whatever it was, but we all still know what happened. 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.040 We just got out of that. What we yearn for, 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.440 even in people that we don't agree with, is authenticity, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.280 Like we want them to be convicted with their convictions 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:43.840 and be true and truth like live with integrity. And 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.880 even the people that didn't agree with me, they say, 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.560 you know, I don't agree with you. I don't know 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.080 about this God's stuff. I'm not a person of faith, 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.679 or I think that race is fine in America, whatever. 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:59.320 But I trust you because I think you really mean 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.480 the best for Peaple and so to me, that's that's 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.479 what it's about. So if you're getting the smoke, if 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.480 you're getting the hate, you know what, that's fine to 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.359 be challenged. Everybody doesn't have to agree, but we should 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.080 be able to trust that we have each other's best 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:13.480 interest in our heart. Yeah. 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:19.840 Yeah, So I have this quote from the Cost of 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:23.760 good Leadership, and I want to know how you tried 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.160 to model yourself as a player and in your everyday life. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.520 I'm gonna read the quote through you first. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.920 Okay, good leadership is about managing your burdens well while 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.720 being willing to sacrifice for others. Understanding the cost of 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.640 leadership will help you become someone worth following. 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:44.080 How does that? 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.160 How do you think you try to portray those characteristics 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.359 in your everyday life and then specifically even more in 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.879 a locker room, especially as you became who you have become. 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:01.240 Yeah, man, I started off a New Ingland with the Patriots, 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.040 and uh, we want a lot, but a really tough 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:12.400 place to play for one of them places where there's 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.040 high expectations, a lot of accountability. But one of the 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.639 things when we used to come into the into the 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.760 building in New engl on the door you had all 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.160 these things you saw, you saw a version of them 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.560 in New Orleans. Yeah, because they all come from the 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.840 same coaching tree. Everybody copies everybody else. But one of 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.240 the things is put the team first. And leadership is 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.680 about being a servant. That's anesthetical to how we many 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.600 times think about leadership. Who's always in the front automatically 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.760 a quarterbacks, a leader automatically, a spokesperson as a leader 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.800 automatically the person that's making the most in NIL now 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.640 if you're in college, is a leader. But true leadership 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.720 is serving us, agree, and we do that in different ways. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.520 One of the ways we do that is if it's 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.320 if it's your role run down on special teams and 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.760 you're the starting safety ben the Pro Bowls, and you 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.440 do it to the best of your ability. You're a leader, 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.080 but you're a leader. People are watching that when you 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:18.680 respond a certain way to disappointment or losing, you're a leader. 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.280 People are watching you when they ask you to do 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.800 something for someone else on the field, or let's let's 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.920 let's translate it. Let's move it to home. When you 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.840 come home and your wife has been home all day 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.280 and you're tired, and you know she's tired, but you 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.320 put her knees first and allow her to have a 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:41.159 reprieve when you want one, you're being a leader. And 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.920 so for me, what I've what I saw and what 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.920 I tried to do in the locker room was man, 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:55.920 be a trusted voice, be authentic voice. Be someone who is, yes, 0:27:56.000 --> 0:28:00.520 a leader in my performance and my consist see on 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:04.400 the field, but also somebody who understands that man leadership 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.960 really is about servant. Like you know, you're a leader 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:12.399 when when people are in crisis and having trouble in 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:18.280 their personal life, they seek you out. Yeah, a lot 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.680 of times they don't seek out the guy who's the 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.680 most popular, who seems to have the fastest car and 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.800 all the girls. They may not seek him out when 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.240 they're having problems, when they're struggling internally with something with 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:35.200 fear of failure, spiritually, someone passing their family, they're facing 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:39.440 a scary situation, they're on the bubble, whatever it may be. 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.240 Years later, somebody may call you up. Man, I was 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.400 with you in the locker room. I was doing my thing. Man, 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.240 can you help me out in this situation. That's that's leadership, 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:53.960 and that's where I'll strive to be. 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. You said the leaders 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:57.600 they run down on special teams. 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.120 I'm on this dude never played. He just refused to 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.040 place for the teams. Like, I will not let that wright, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:06.040 I will not. 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.560 I've just seen him, Yeah on kick Off. I've seen 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.160 him in Kickoff. That's what I'm talking about. I don't 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:12.400 do that. 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.920 Don't on this food. 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.400 He's just mad because like, I'm not a special teams guy. 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.040 Like I'm I'm sorry. 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:21.320 I wasn't. 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.680 If you had to, yeah, as you to. He never 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.840 asked me to. I did pustle a personal protector a 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.960 couple of times. Yeah, I s before I got to 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:35.640 watch the film. 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.840 I don't believe I wasn't a sweet located. Yeah, to 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:41.560 make it sweet though, he had to make it different 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.160 than everybody else, Like, you know, he had to put 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.200 his own sauce on it. 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.200 We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:58.280 You're a writer, speaker, author, uh, correspondent, film TV. 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:03.160 You got seven kids? Damn he was only going for six. 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.240 My husband, I'll call that one of the most important 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.080 Jesus was your husband. Like, where do you find a 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:16.360 time to one speak about the things you want to 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.320 speak about? Again, as I alluded to earlier, you you 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.440 you speak about current events, Like where do you have 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.920 the time to do any of this? Because that's that's 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:26.280 a lot. 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.680 Yeah. I don't do good with my time. I don't. 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.840 One thing I'm trying to do better with is my 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:39.160 replenishment cycles and taking time for myself for things that 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.520 are important to me to have that cycle so that 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.640 I have enough to give out. I've experienced burnout in 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:51.520 some you know, some regards. I think that one of 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:55.920 the toughest things in retiring, I guess almost five years 0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:00.640 ago now was like a lack of schedule. Yeah, a 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.640 lack of a schedule and a lack of a cadence. 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:07.640 Like everything in life, date night is predicated on Tuesday 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.320 being your day off or Thursday, whenever you want to 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.560 do it. Like your vacations, you know what you got 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.520 to do here, you have a sense of accomplishment. And 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.600 then when I retired, it was like, you get all 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.480 these opportunities, what do you say no to? What do 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:22.600 you say yes to? And next thing you know you're 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.120 spent seven in the morning is whatever at night. My 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.120 dog gets done with ballet at nine thirty at night. 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.320 And I'm trying to figure out when I had time 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:34.080 to really do anything and take a breath. And so 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.720 when do I have time? It comes in spurts. One 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.520 thing I'm learning is when I'm home to be present. 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.880 I've known that that's nothing new, but as busy as 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:51.560 we are as fathers, as businessmen, whatever we're doing, when 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.400 you're home, you got to be present. Like your kids 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.840 don't care how much money you make, they don't care 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.600 how much you're on TV. I had a time I 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:08.600 came home from SEC Network from the weekend and my daughter, 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.440 she was seven years older at the time, and she said, Daddy, 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.440 I saw you on TV this weekend. I said, yeah, 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.360 how she said, man, you look you look really really happy. 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.200 You were smiling. Why don't you smile when you're at home? 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:21.920 Oh? 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.200 But but what she was saying was, man, you go 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.560 out here and you work and you you you perform 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:32.640 and you put out there, and then when you get 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:36.280 home when we need the best of you, you're drained 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.800 and you're moping around and you're in a a in 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.560 a sense of duty here at home. 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:43.280 How was I received? 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.920 I received it like, man, Yeah, I needed that. I 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.280 need that correction, and it was better coming from your 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:59.080 daughter than the way. But when that happens, you thank 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:00.960 them for telling you. You that, man, Thank you that. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.800 Thank you for telling Daddy that I can make changes here. 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.239 And So getting back to your question about when when 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.960 I have time to do things, I blocked time during 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.320 certain times of the year for certain things. You know, 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.000 this is SEC time, this is this is SEC network time. 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.520 The majority of my time is preparing for the weekends 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.480 for broadcasting and watching him, you know, do his thing 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.040 and talk about the football games. You know, in the 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.160 off season. There's the other things that I'm doing. But 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.080 one of the things that I'm always doing is being 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:34.760 with the kids as much as I can. We had 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.880 a wrestling match last night, my son's first wrestling match. 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.720 Did he win? Both? The matches went very quickly. He 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:52.280 did not win either. They just want you to thirty seconds. 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.280 Hey, how are you enjoying doing the s TV on 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.280 the SEC networ I don't think I've ever asked you that. Yeah, man, 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:08.640 I'm in I'm enjoying like seeing the storylines. I'm enjoying 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.279 this time of year when I know the teams. I 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.399 don't enjoy getting to know the teams like I don't 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.080 enjoy the first six weeks of the city season. 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:22.880 Yeah, the talking where everybody's like playing these outer conference games. 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.360 They're gonna win by seventy points. You don't know who's 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.080 good and who's not. All you know is some statistics, 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:32.439 Like I don't enjoy that. I do enjoy like understanding, man, 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.399 this team is really good at this and they're gonna 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.560 match up like this against this team and seeing how 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.520 that goes. You know, That's that's that's intrigued. That's intriguing 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.040 to me. I enjoy being in studio with the guys, 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.160 you know, I enjoy the camaraderie. I don't enjoy the 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:48.759 fact that we don't leave the studio till one in 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:52.000 the morning. I suffer for three days trying to catch 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.480 up with sleep off that where's the sec Charlotte, Arlotte? Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.480 yeah there in Valentine. Yeah, we're in Arlotte. 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.200 But so the nightly show that he's on was the 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:03.320 one I first started on. 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.400 And so when I went back on the road because 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.480 COVID lifted, I went back on the road. That's when 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.120 Ben came in right behind me and he did the 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.800 night show. And the night show is great, Like the 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.120 guys there are awesome, a whole bunch of laughs, be 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.920 funny a lot, But then it's also like, well, you 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.800 don't know what time that thing gonna end. Like whenever 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.240 that last game rolls through, that's when you get started. 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:31.560 But before that, there all day long, all day long, 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.400 halftimes and post games and fills when you know when 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:36.720 there's lightning delays, all. 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:37.200 That good stuff. 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:42.239 Yes, So, where so you talked about the priorities and 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.719 where you know you more of a season, No, guy, 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.040 when this season happened, This is where I'm at when 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.360 this season happens, where it's this, How long is it 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.800 taking you to kind of figure out a good schedule? 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.440 Because like it's taking me years where I'm like, okay, 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.000 I kind of like where I'm at. All this day 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.560 is focused on this, this day, is this this day, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.960 I'm taking the kids to school because my wife's grinding 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.479 on it and I want to just let her sleep 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:08.239 even though she's not going to. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.200 Yeah. Yeah, it's been a work in progress and I 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.600 still don't have it all. And I think also it 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.759 was about giving myself some grace through my football career. 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.719 I don't know about you guys, but man, every day 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:28.960 had a focus and a checklist every day, down to 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:35.240 your car practicor your massage, your meals. Obviously the practice schedule, 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.759 all that type of stuff, but every day was really 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:41.719 set during the season and now, man, things change a bit, 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.640 and what was frustrating was that I didn't have this 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.080 set schedule. But now I'm understanding, Look, there are certain priorities, 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.680 but also give yourself some grace. Give yourself some grace, 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.919 Like if you don't if you don't hit something today 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.200 that you needed to hit today, it's okay. Yeah, it's okay. 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.399 That's big. Like the world is going to keep going. 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.839 You're gonna be fine, you know, And as a as 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.080 an athlete, I struggled with that, like, oh my gosh, 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:11.600 I'm not gonna be prepared if I don't get this 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:13.799 done right now because I had to go pick up 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.719 the kids from here or and I want to pick 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.719 them up because I'm available now. It's not like I 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:22.040 have to be anywhere, And so giving myselfself some grace 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.120 has been big. I went and did a thing called 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.760 life playing a little while ago, and it's an intensive 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.600 two day process where you kind of map your life 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.480 and kind of find find uh, you know, your calling, 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.800 your mission, the things that you're good at, how you're designed, 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:44.120 what you need to replenish and to be at your best, 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:49.560 how to filter out no's and yes's for different opportunities. Man, 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.920 should I pursue this business? Should I not do this? 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:52.080 This? 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.279 This isn't gonna be fulfilling for me. And it really 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.040 gave me kind of a sense of of clarity as 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.920 far as look, these are the things that are priorities 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.600 in your life, like these you don't give up. You know, family, 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.080 you know your mission, your faith, whatever it is. These 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.480 are things that can kind of rotate a bit. These 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.719 are things that are going to drain you. You might 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.239 be good at them. You might have an opportunity to 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.960 do them, but man, you're not wired to do that. 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.600 And so that's that's kind of the work in progress 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.360 I mentioned where you know, it's it's it's it's a 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.040 discovery time, I think. I think Roman like right now 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.880 I'm at the first four years out of the league 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.239 or a lot of ups and downs, even emotionally, like 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:38.960 I mean, there are times where I go see a psychiatrist, 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.480 to be honest with you, and I just feel like, dude, 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.640 I don't know what what am I accomplishing, what am 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:49.440 I doing? And those are really real feelings, all feelings 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:53.080 of like depths. And so now I feel like four 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:57.480 years out, five years out, almost starting to see like 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.040 this next life and all that has to offer and 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:01.839 it's and it's okay. 0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:04.239 Was it hard to make that decision to go talk 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:04.760 to somebody? 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.200 Yeah? Yeah, I remember the first time I wanted to 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:12.080 go see a psychiatrist. I was in year six in 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:17.040 New England, my last year there actually year five in 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.480 New England, and I was just having stress, headaches, I 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.120 was I was just overwhelmed and we didn't have kids 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.040 at the time, and my wife told me, you need 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.000 to go see somebody, I want to go see somebody. 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.880 That was my first entry into what now is like 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:36.840 mental health. I mean this was this was two thousand 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.839 and eight. Yeah, yeah, like won't nobody going to see 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.640 that type of help. But that was my first experience 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.520 there and it helped me finish out my years there 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.479 and kind of a different outlook. But then fast forward 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.000 to now, it still was difficult to admit that you 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.400 that you that the walls are closing in. Yeah, you 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.360 know that that you're that you're in a place that 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.000 you can't get yourself out of. You can't work yourself 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:06.840 out of this. You need help. But what's crazy is 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.480 as soon as you take that first step, you have 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:13.719 that first consultation, like, man, why haven't I done this before? Yeah? 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:15.880 What is the shame? There ain't no shame in it. 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.480 We don't have shame when we go get our car fixed. 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.520 We don't have shame when we go get a massage 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.560 because we've got a bad hamstring. Like why should we 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.560 be ashamed to go have somebody help you with your life? Yeah, 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:28.480 you know, and with some of the some of the 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.440 with some of the chemical struggles that you're dealing with. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.960 We repair everything else it's the same thing. 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.120 Yeah, that was a I think that's a great way 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.840 to say. We talked about that earlier. One about showing 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.120 each other a little bit more grace. 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:46.200 But two part of the hardest thing for us as athletes, 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.040 but help black athletes, Like it's just kind of a 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.520 it's kind of a stigma, like it's taboo growing up 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.560 in a black home or household to go and talk 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.319 to someone about like what's going on up here. It's 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.600 kind of look kind of look down upon, you know, 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.200 within within the community. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:08.040 I would say, yeah, for sure, I think everybody has to. 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.200 You have to figure out a way to where Ben 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.520 saying like you at some point you get comfortable enough 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.719 or you get scared and you're like I got to 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.759 do something, Yeah, because you know something is just not right. 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:21.360 I want to know. 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.440 I want to tell you something else. That's that. 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:24.879 I would look on the outside and say, I don't 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.360 know if it was right either, Ben, that was you 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.440 playing football to you or thirty nine years old. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:30.640 Even though I don't know. 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:35.000 If Kirston was here, she'd be like, I know it 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:40.680 wasn't right, especially because like you know, you'd had a 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:41.480 couple of injuries. 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.240 Yeah, you tore, you tore achilles, You rupture your achilles 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.520 out over you. I was I was thirty six, Yeah, 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.840 thirty six with the Yeah, okay, which is it? 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:57.799 Sit down stage? You shut it down six months? Yeah, 0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.680 ain't doing nothing. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.239 Change my whole change my whole life. 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.920 Oka really all right? And you still had all these 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.799 other things going on. I think you're being an author 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.120 at this time. You've written a book. Yeah, you, like 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.759 I said, you've been on CNN like doing all these things. 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.239 You You've been pulled in many, many different directions, Yet 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:15.960 you chose to still try and roll back out there. 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:16.160 Why? 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:23.719 Man? Why? Why? I'm a personally has a strong sense 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:28.400 of commitment to a fault. I feel like once I 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.960 start something, I can't walk away from it, even if 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.279 it's beating the crap out of me. Yeah. I also 0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.440 felt like, man, there were things in this game that 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:45.000 I wanted that I hadn't accomplished yet, Like what going 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.959 to the Pro Bowl? You never been able, no real 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.760 going to the Pro Bowl. As stupid as that sounds 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:56.520 right now, it's forty three, almost forty four right now. 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.560 As stupid as that sounds right now, there were things 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:03.480 that I thought I could maybe do at thirty six 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.160 years old. You ain't going over. You ain't been, you 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.360 ain't going you know what I'm saying. But then I 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.799 was thinking, Man, I'm gonna come back from this. I'm 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.759 gonna make it to the Pro Bowl. I've deserved it 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.799 in the past. I'm gonna earn this accolade. You mentioned 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.920 being a super Bowl champ, right, the Super Bowl that 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.520 I played and we lost, the Super Bowl that we won, 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.080 I had an acl I want to be back on 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.400 the field for Super Bowl, right. I want to make 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.040 a little bit more money, no doubt. There's never enough. 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:37.080 Billionaires say the same thing. It's never enough. When is 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:46.319 it really enough? You know, a whole litany pride, you know, identity. Yeah, hey, 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.800 I've been I put a lot into this, Like I 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.359 put a lot of blood, sweat, tears, as they say, 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.920 like emotional scars. I fought through a lot of stuff. 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:58.719 I came back from a lot of stuff, moved my 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.080 family around like this. This is not who I am, 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.160 But man, this is a big part of who I am, right, 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:11.399 you know, Like if I don't do this, who am I? Yeah? 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.239 You know, that's it's tough to say, but that's those 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.120 are the things that kept me going. And a lot 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.680 of people say, man, you know you got this beautiful family. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:22.560 Yes I do. You got his wonderful wife, Yes I do. 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.680 We'll be married. We've been married twenty years. Next year 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.279 it'll be twenty years. You've got all these things going 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.120 for you. Yes I do. Man, you've had seven cushions, yep, 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.440 you had a cl You've had achilles, You've had I 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.000 had everything. Yeah, why why are you still playing well? 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.719 Because those things I still feel like I want to do, 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.440 And so that's why I kept going. But and then 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:47.839 there was this other part of it as well, that, man, 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.480 my last I would say, my last five years in 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:55.960 the league or probably the sweetest as far as impact goes, 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.480 because there's this other side that says, Okay, if I'm 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.640 going to be in this locker room, I have a 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:08.759 chance to impact young men's lives, which impacts generations like 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.040 I may be the only guy that has to the 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.960 status to look at them and say, man, what are 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:17.560 you doing with that girl? What are you doing with 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.359 these kids? You haven't seen your kid? And how long 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.439 you can? You know what, you can be a dad 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:23.919 even if you didn't have one. Right, what I'm saying 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.920 like you can change the course of your entire family 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.480 treat I believe that about you. I can talk to 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.279 another guy and say, hey, man, you're struggling with this man. 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.480 This is what scripture says about your situation. And so 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.000 there was this desire to achieve and attain. For sure, 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.319 there was also this, man, I don't know how much 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.520 longer I'm have this opportunity to be in this locker 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:51.239 room and impact these young men outside of the game 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.239 for eternity. I don't want to I don't want to 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.160 take that for granted. So I wanted to be on mission, 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.279 you know, in that respect, Like, Okay, if I'm going 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.359 to be in this locker room and keep playing, it's 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.359 gonna suck in a lot of ways. I can't wait 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.960 till game day because i'ma have some good medicine and 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.000 my body's gonna feel good. Practice is gonna be terrible. Yeah, 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.600 But I can also impact these young men like that. 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:12.520 That was my goal. 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:14.960 And at that point the NFL locker room hat completely 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.160 flipped upside doubt, where like it wasn't older vets anymore. 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.080 It was like one or two maybe, and then it 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.440 was a whole bunch of young guys. So what you 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.719 were saying is true value and impact. That's something I 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.480 served at least, I just was not even thinking, but 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:30.680 really truly serving. 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.920 I really felt that when you was talking to me, 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:34.600 like I need to be a better dad, and I 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.759 know you was used to me as an example, but 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.840 like the way you looked at me, it was very intentional. 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:40.680 I was like, yeah, I do need to be a 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.320 better dad. I don't know my dad, but I know 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.680 my dad. But it made me feel like I was like, damn, 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:45.160 I feel that. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:51.440 Okay, that was yeah, that was good. Have you gotten 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.479 over not accomplishing all those goals? 0:46:55.400 --> 0:47:01.640 That's that's part of my journey, even with my psychologists, 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.319 it's part of it. It's part of like, it's part 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:11.080 of the part of the process of moving on in 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:20.799 total contentment and being totally I guess forward facing. It's 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:22.520 part of it. It is getting over some of those things, 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.960 and no, I haven't gotten over some of those things. 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:26.680 That is that a good thing for you to be 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.799 able to say no, I haven't. It's it's a true thing, yeah, 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:32.879 because you always do that though. 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.600 Yeah, for the most part, I could say that, you know, 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:42.759 it's it's almost embarrassing to say a bit. Yeah, you know, 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.040 it's it's embarrassing a bit to say it could be, 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.200 but I'm confident in that. Yeah, you know, there are 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.120 some things that that I haven't gotten over. And and 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.600 it's certain times a year. Hm, there's certain times a 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.400 year when certain things are announced. There's certain teams make. 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:02.040 This you know, Yeah, triggers. 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.200 What would have been? You play it out in your 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:11.120 mind a different way, But that's that's part of the process. 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.239 So I think my trigger is super Bowl. Oh, there's 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:16.319 no I never I never won a super Bowl. 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.160 He always throws it in my face and I'm and 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:24.879 I'm your friends, Yeah we are, right, the biggest jerk, 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.399 the biggest jerk. 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.560 But Ben like he's like, I'm gonna put off my 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:29.160 ring right now. 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.680 Yeah, he does like that all the time. 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.279 But then then like it's also where I get very 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.880 triggered when we bring up super Bowl fifty because like 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.200 I have this this secret vendetta that what happened, and 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.279 I'm just like it was really good, but like it 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.360 ended terrible in my opinion, and it's because of this 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:47.040 this that so. 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:49.279 I was that or is that a thing? 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:49.480 Though? 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.759 Like I know, I know our Super Bowl. So that 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.720 was the twenty eighteen Saints Rams. 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.239 Oh yeah, that's that's definitely true. 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:03.960 That made me another year. 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:09.359 I gotta get this ye this way, I was done. 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.600 I was retired. I was I was done. Yeah, I 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.440 was like, I'm not playing more. Even after that game, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.040 I was like, I'm done. It got to be like 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:20.759 May and June and I started thinking I can't. I can't. No, no, 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.680 it can't in that way, go back, run back out 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:25.480 there like an idiot. 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:31.080 It's so I'm real big on like education, right. I 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.640 went back to school in twenty fifteen. I got a degree. 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.399 I wanted my kids to see that I graduated. Now, 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:40.480 I know you're in school right now. Where are you 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:42.520 going and what are you studying? 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.760 Yeah, I'm actually on a break because of the football season. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.680 I realized I can't do it. At the same time, yeah, 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.680 but I have completed a full year at American University 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.520 fully online. American University is a probably university in Washington, 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:01.400 d C. And I'm studying getting a masters in Public 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:06.000 administration and public Policy. I mean, I was a finance 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:10.160 major at Georgia. I was you know, never never thought 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:13.320 I'd do anything like this, But just because of conversations 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.520 and places spaces that I've been in. Want to have 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:21.239 a better understanding of policy, how it impacts communities and 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:25.719 people administration. So it's been it's been fun. My intro 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.960 class was I was like, Okay, I'm gonna be cool 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.200 with this, and then they pulled out like, you know, 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.160 the legal aspect in all these court cases, which was 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:35.600 interesting but difficult. And then it got to budgeting and 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.239 you know, corporate budgeting, not corporate budd like cities and 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.160 managing all this stuff. So it's been challenging, but it's 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.120 been it's been good to think, to think in a 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.920 different way, to do something different. Part of it was 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:49.239 I want to challenge myself to think. So I don't 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:50.520 know what I'm to do with it, I want to 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:51.759 challenge myself in a different way. 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:54.360 I like the fact that you're going back to school. 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.160 I got my I think I grabbed my degree in 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.480 like twenty fifteen during the season and U or I know, 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.000 I graduate the summer of twenty fifteen when I was 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:04.759 in Charlotte. And We've had all types of guests come 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.000 on this podcast, and I'm I'm real big on like 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:10.719 staying green and you're either green and growing or ripe 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.120 and rotten. 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:12.799 And I always want to stay green and just keep 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:14.960 growing and keep learning, learn something new. 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.360 I proposed that me and this guy go back and 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.120 we get an NBA, Like I'm down to get a 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.200 second master's, so I'm trying to get him. 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.520 Okay, I'm like, come on, let's let's do it. Let's 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:25.320 go get our nbas. 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:29.000 Like the legal pay for it, exactly right, Yeah, leg 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.840 pay for it, so you we're gonna get reimbursed. Like 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:34.000 let's let's go get this. Let's go get this bread, 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.480 let's go get it. Come on, all right, you know 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.440 what because Ben's here, Let be real, honest, all right. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.080 Number one, neither of you guys saw me as a student. 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.919 Number shoot, I did, And I ain't trying to go back. 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:51.200 I don't want to have nothing to do with none 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:51.440 of that. 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:52.480 None of that. 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.640 I ain't gonna lie. Like like the prospect of going 0:51:55.719 --> 0:52:00.239 back to school, it sounds good, and then like you 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.759 realize you're forty something years old, and it's just like 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.399 I'm on the zoom calls with these kids getting these 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.239 kids getting their masters, and I feel like I'm an 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.160 old person on this call. These folks are fresh out 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:15.560 of college and they know how to use to calculator 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.520 and do everything. I don't know. I had that. My 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.040 daughter showed me about Canva, how to do a presentation 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.640 on Canva. Canva. It's like this the site where you 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.000 can make slide shows and presentations. I'm up here talking 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:28.239 about like powerpoints. 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:28.440 You know. 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:33.920 It's not a thing. 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.279 See, this is what you want to send me out 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.800 like that. You know you got to Google docs. 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:41.200 And all that stuff. 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.560 You can send me out there like that. I'm straight. 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:46.600 We've all had some success in our lives, and we've 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.160 all had people to kind of shape and mold us 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.120 and kind of who we are today. If you had 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.920 to put four people on your mount rushmore of influence. 0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:57.160 Who with those four people? 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.680 Just people in general who have influenced me? Yes, sir, 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:07.080 First one will be my father. Yep, first one be 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:11.919 my dad, Ken Watson. Daddy is sixty eight years old 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:15.239 now living in Rocky Hill, South Carolina, still pastoring the 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.400 church there that you planet. I'm the oldest of six kids. 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:24.160 He was the disciplinarian, but also the one who nurtured us. 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.440 He and my mom. This leaders in a lot of 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:32.160 ways was best man of my wedding. So the first 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.719 one would be my dad because he's my hero, Like 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:36.560 he's the one I always wanted to be like. I 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.560 still want to be like my dad. So he's the 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:49.359 first one. Second person I would say, man, David Patton, DP. Yeah, DP. 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.799 And I've never had anybody ask me this question before. 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.759 But the reason why I say him, especially in this 0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:01.040 context is when I was a rookie, I was engaged. 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:06.719 We got engaged right before my rookie year, got married 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.960 after my rookie year. And in that locker room, my 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.919 locker room right next to David Patton, and he would 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.520 always talk about his wife, like all the time, like 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.959 he sent her flowers, He sent him flowers. His family 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.880 was in South Carolina, so we had that connection. And 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.600 he was the one person in the entire locker room 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:31.239 that said, man, this is a good thing. You can 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.400 do it, like you can be married in this league, 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:39.319 you can have you can have a you know, a relationship. Man, 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.160 I'm proud of you for doing this. And again, he 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.239 was one of those veteran players, one of one of 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:49.000 those veteran voices. You know, I miss him. He's passed away, 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.239 but you know, he was a guy that when I 0:54:52.280 --> 0:55:00.960 think about leadership, man, he's he's there. Man. This person, No, 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.480 it doesn't have a face. He walked this earth two 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.840 thousand years ago, and I probably shouldn't name him first, 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.920 but it's Jesus Christ. Fully man Fully, God died for 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.000 our sins, made it so that we could be made 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:18.440 right with him. The entire scripture is about that one person. 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.560 And the one thing I do every day. I try 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:25.200 to do every day is read my Bible because there 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:27.640 is truth in God's work. And when I look at 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.560 my life, I look at my perspective on life. It 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:34.160 all comes because of my relationship with Jesus Christ. So 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.680 he's on there, even though we don't know what he 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:41.560 looks like. His face is on there. And then lastly 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:47.080 will be my wife. You know, we'll be Kirsten. We've 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:51.040 been married for going on twenty years. She's my best friend. 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:57.399 She challenges me, she sharpens me. She's my help meet. 0:55:57.680 --> 0:55:59.560 As Scripture talks about it, you know, when the two 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:03.640 become more flesh. She's the one I trust the most. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.520 She's the one whose opinion matters the most. You know, 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.320 from anything from what I'm worrying to how I'm speaking 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.440 to things that I would do. She's she's the why not. 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:14.880 She's the one that tells me who's more reserved? Man, 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.160 go try this? Go do this, yes, go try to 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.160 do TV. See if it works. Yes, go do these 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:24.960 sorts of things. She's she's my best friend. So yeah, 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.520 that was a good question, dude, and I never thought 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:31.120 about that. Yeah, the first time. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:31.520 We ever did it. 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:32.200 I like it. 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.879 Kirsten is the happiest pregnant woman I've ever seen. 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:35.000 That. 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:36.480 Did you tell her? 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:40.160 I said that pregnant the happiest I've never seen. The 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:41.719 pregnant woman is happiest, just. 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:46.239 Like she won't happy with her last two. We never 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.000 finished the story, but you were right. You slid that 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.480 in her talking. We really wanted six. So basically we 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:54.800 had five. Yeah, we talked about having four. Let me 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:56.600 so this started even way before this. 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:58.839 So Ben Watson is the first person because I had 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:02.080 two girls and I was like, I don't think I 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:03.520 can have boys. 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.680 Then watch is the only person that I was like, dude, 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.680 you can do it. You can do this, bro. Man. 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.080 I had two girls first, and look at me, I 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:20.400 got like four two boys. Now, like through though, the 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:24.040 first thing it's like, bro, you can do it. You 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.160 can do this. You gotta you can control this. 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.000 Yeah, you get nervous. 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:29.680 He's like, well you can't. 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.360 But I tell you what, like, I'm so glad I 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.200 had those girls first. Me too, dude, my girls. My 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.440 boys are boys are idiots. I'm just gonna say it 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:40.560 like like they are. So we had two girls, and 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:43.720 we had two boys, and we had another girl. Yeah, 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:44.760 I was fine, and. 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:46.400 He's like, we gotta go even number. 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.880 She said, I was good. I'm good at fine, Like 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.400 even number I can five is good, Bob is good. 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:55.600 She wants everybody to have, you know, a friend on 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:59.360 the roller coaster and even numbers a partner and everything. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.640 And so yeah, we tried for number six sadly after 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:07.320 we had if you knew we had two miscarriages, number six. Yeah, 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.120 and find out at that point, man, there's a lot 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.960 of people that struggle with that. We didn't know. It's 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:15.440 a very it's a very common occurrence, but one that 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:19.920 we as a community like just don't do well. We 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:21.160 don't comfort people. 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:25.120 Nobody wants to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And. 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:28.120 It impacts women, but impacts impacts fathers as well, like 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.480 losing a child is a big deal. And so we 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:35.040 went through that twice living in Baltimore by ourselves, had 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:36.960 the Achilles like. It was a really really low time 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.320 for us as the family. And then we said we'll 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.560 try one more time. We moved to New Orleans. I 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:45.280 go in there to look at the ultrasound picture. At 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.480 this point, I already know like what everything is, and 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.720 we're scared because of the miscarriages. She said, they're a 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.480 baby in there, and the lady goes, well, I don't 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:58.800 see one, I see two. So we go from five 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.160 to seven. So we still uneven. But seven is a 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.240 number of completion and we are complete and perfect. 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:07.400 We ain't gonna have a complete I'm out another game 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.640 about I'm out bro No, But I I thought it 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.560 was hilarious because going to six and they got seven, 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:15.960 nobody we ain't. 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:16.720 Nobody got twins. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.360 So she won't happy in that pregnice dog she was, Yeah, 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:21.040 she was not happy. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.000 She was happy without she's you know, I've seen her 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:25.720 through three pregnants and she was the happiest. 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.320 Them twins are different, dude, They got it, Dude. Them 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:31.280 twins try the man. They tried to They tried to 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:36.200 kill her. The twins identical boys. They literally try to 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.000 like take everything from her. They're five years old now. 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:42.200 Whenever they disrespect their mama. God, dude, I will smack 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:47.400 your face off, like if you know, you know right, 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:49.880 she ain't going through that having other ones, but you 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:51.439 you better never say anything better. 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:56.320 It's well funny, hey, well, thank you give me that 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.280 confidence too, dog. I forgot to mention that the first one. 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.280 Dude, just make sure went a little wrong in them, 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:05.320 you know, when they go do great things of life. 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:06.320 Just make sure I get a ticket. 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:10.520 I got you, dog, I got the same that. Uh well, anyways, man, 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:11.960 thank you as always been man. 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.360 Appreciate it. Bro, You're a blessing everywhere you go, into 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.800 every room you're into. So continue on your happiness, on 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:20.840 your journey. I love calling you a teammate now again 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:23.760 being with the network, we still text and talk about 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:26.080 all those things, and we get to talk college football, 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:28.480 which we both love. So and everybody. He also went 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:30.640 to Duke as well. He's not just a Georgia guy, 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:31.720 So I'm a double dog. 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:37.400 I don't think I knew that. Nobody knows that. But 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:39.880 he started out at Duke and he went to Georgia stuff. 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:40.720 Before the transfer report. 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.880 Yeah he was like the original past that. 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:44.840 Exactly. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:48.640 Yeah that was weird. 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