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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Benjamin Watson, sixteen year NFL VET.

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Speaker 1: I'm an author, a broadcaster, a father, most importantly a

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Speaker 1: husband of twenty years, looking forward to this podcast. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you tune in. This is the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 1: Act Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player Second

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Speaker 2: Act Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Pena Tillman and this is Roman Man Harper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was your first introduction. Anyways, I want

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Speaker 4: first of all, thank iHeartRadio for letting them for allowing

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Speaker 4: us to have their studios.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right here in the northwest side of Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: I call it midtown, but it's all good. We'll be

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Speaker 3: bougie today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to talk to our next guest because

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Speaker 4: he's a former teammate of mine, a great person, and

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Speaker 4: I call him a teammate now on what I'm doing

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Speaker 4: on my side hustle, So Pina introduce him.

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Speaker 2: A sixteen year NFL VET, Super Bowl champion, broadcaster, author

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Speaker 2: and probably is known as probably the best teammate around

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Speaker 2: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ben watching to show.

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Speaker 1: Mister appreciate you guys. Thanks, thanks for coming to our

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Speaker 1: knock of the woods and this is not I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm still like fifty minutes away and it was raining

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so that traffic is you know.

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Speaker 2: I hear when the traffic is like really bad. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I heard. I've never really experienced.

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Speaker 1: Like outside we're in the in the country. I see

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Speaker 1: I see cows and turkey. I saw some turkeys this

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Speaker 1: morning in all the traffic. But yeah, Atlanta, if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're like.

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Speaker 4: LA bad, what I've did, it's like sometimes worse than

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Speaker 4: l a bad. Like La is bad, but like Atlanta's

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Speaker 4: just like and it's really because it just stretches for

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Speaker 4: so long. Yeah that from the moment you really started

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Speaker 4: to cross over from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Alabama, it's like Alabama all the way like Htol which

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Speaker 1: is almost with the darn the South.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know forever.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the most frustrating thing about the the

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Speaker 4: traffic here in Atlanta for Ben specifically, Bro, you know

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Speaker 4: how much you mean to me. Uh, I want to

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Speaker 4: tell everybody you know Ben Watson. Uh he goes by

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Speaker 4: Benjamin Watson. I call him Ben. So that's how I'm

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Speaker 4: not offended. Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan. We can

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Speaker 4: talk about it later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we go.

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Speaker 4: So Ben became came to New Orleans in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 4: he'd already been around an NFL VET, and you know

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Speaker 4: what he meant to that locker room, being a veteran

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Speaker 4: presence in there. And some of the funniest stories I

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Speaker 4: remember was because you know, Jimmy Graham was still on

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Speaker 4: this team at this point.

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Speaker 3: Jim was the quote unquote older tight end was og.

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Speaker 1: I was in I was the year ten plus at

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Speaker 1: up point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was just so funny because I'm like Ben, like,

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Speaker 4: all right, man, they you you're having to block now,

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Speaker 4: and like He's like, look, bro, because I'm like, Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Graham ain't blocked.

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Speaker 1: You told me to, and they showed them made me

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Speaker 1: block all the time. I was like, dude, I'm not

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Speaker 1: even gonna cover your practice. I know you're not going

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Speaker 3: I already knew it was this.

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Speaker 4: Guy for two teams already comes in the D's like, dude,

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Speaker 4: I'm like the blocking tight end. And I was like,

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Speaker 4: so when does that kind of happen in your career?

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Speaker 4: He's like, dude, first of all, no tight ends, Like, bro,

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Speaker 4: I want to be a blocking tight end enough to

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Speaker 4: and you either get better at it or you have.

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Speaker 3: Did you lose the stuff or anything.

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Speaker 1: No, it was it was the position. Look, Jimmy Graham

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Speaker 1: deserved to be the number. I mean this dude, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: if you would have told me this guy what's going

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Speaker 1: because he because he was on a tear. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the last few years there in New Orleans. Probably

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Speaker 1: but with Sean it was always everybody had a role. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: the backside, You're gonna block. We might throw you a

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Speaker 1: little check down every now and then and do your job.

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Speaker 1: The good thing, however, was because of the muscle memory

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Speaker 1: that Drew Brees had with Jimmy Graham when they traded Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I'm in year thirteen having a

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Speaker 1: career year, in year twelve having a career year because

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Speaker 1: I getting all the passes now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so in that year, statistically, you had one hundred

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Speaker 4: and ten targets, seventy four catches, eight hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And year twelve or thirteen, Yeah, I was thirty

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Speaker 1: five years old. My wife's looking at My wife's looking

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Speaker 1: at me like I thought you were gonna retire. I

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Speaker 3: For the timing kick in, Ben, What was your first

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Speaker 3: welcome to the NFL moment?

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Speaker 1: Well, had a couple first. And one was the first

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Speaker 1: time I saw Michael Strahan in person. He's a get.

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Speaker 3: Together large and you're well life together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this dude and like his arms were by

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Speaker 1: we were playing in preseason and I was thinking he's

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Speaker 1: a d N I called my daddy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I can't bock these guys, you know. So I saw

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Speaker 1: him in person. The other Welcome to the NFL moment.

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Speaker 3: Was did you even have to block him? Or you

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Speaker 3: just saw me?

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Speaker 1: I just saw him facing our sideline like Goliath taunting

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Speaker 1: the Israelites, and he was like facing our sideline looking

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Speaker 1: at us. And it was the preseason, like the fourth

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Speaker 1: preseason game. He won't even gonna play. And that was enough.

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Speaker 1: I need, I need to have to mess with him,

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Speaker 1: Praise God. The other one was where I'm practice in

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Speaker 1: trying to figure everything out. You're just learning the place.

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Speaker 1: You're learning what you have to do, not necessarily what

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Speaker 1: everybody else has to do, and not necessarily about reading

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Speaker 1: the coverages. I just want to know my route. Get

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Speaker 1: that first, so we uh we run a play. I'm

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Speaker 1: the safety blitzes. I need to run a side adjust

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Speaker 1: I don't run it. And then I hear this thing.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a torpedo come past my helmet. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady threw the ball at me and I heard the

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Speaker 1: ball coming, but I wasn't looking for it. It almost

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Speaker 1: knocked me out. And the welcome moment was the fact that, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about knowing your route. You got to

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Speaker 1: enough just to know check the box. I gotta go route.

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Speaker 1: You better read coverage, you know everything else, because he's

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Speaker 1: doesn't trust you. Yeah, luckily I got a second chance.

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Speaker 1: But that was just because I was a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that does help.

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Speaker 1: That that's help.

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Speaker 3: How about that's all they learned that in the game.

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Speaker 4: Did you have anything specifically in a game your first

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Speaker 4: like what was like, oh man, this is the league, like.

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Speaker 1: Ray Lewis hits you or some way like No, I

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Speaker 1: avoided Ray hitting him. I used to get him in

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Speaker 1: Ray up coverage. Yeah, didn't have to block him, Praise God.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing, EMMITTT. Smith we played

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Speaker 3: Damn that Emmitt Smith.

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Speaker 1: That this is two thousand and four. So this isn't

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Speaker 1: like a welcome to NFL moment where you get hit

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. But this is two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: He's playing for the Cardinals. We're playing in Sun Devil

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Speaker 1: Smith is in the backfield, and I'm like, I'm on

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Speaker 1: the same field as Mma Smith right now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it was, but it just like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: that was it. That was it. That was it. I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget that. And then also buying, you know, twelve

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Speaker 1: dozen donuts for Willie McGinnis, what's a big one too,

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Speaker 1: and spending our rookie dinner that year was I think

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Speaker 1: the bill came to forty nine thousand dollars our rookie dinner.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, y'all, SA got the whole team, the whole team,

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Speaker 1: and we all to split it up. Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 1: writing a check for nine grand rookie dinner. Welcome, Welcome

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Speaker 4: My friend, I had to do just the defense, and

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Speaker 4: my Bill was like fifteen eighteen licked me. And it

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Speaker 4: was really because if you know everybody, you know Charles Grant,

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Speaker 4: so of course of course, CG. You'll take the whole

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Speaker 4: team out. No, no, just the defense, just the defense.

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Speaker 4: They kind of protected me. But then yeah, they also didn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I remember like one one other rookie, he was

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Speaker 4: I don't think I wanted that. When I wanted this guy,

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Speaker 4: I said, you're gonna eat that.

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Speaker 2: They fact, yeah, some choice. I'm sure there was something

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Speaker 2: else that followed you. You said something else, like with

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Speaker 2: your chest.

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Speaker 1: I thought this will for was gonna go shoot somebody.

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Speaker 1: He was so mad. Dude's walking out of Smith and

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Speaker 1: Willinsky in Boston with bottles of Chris who was walking

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Speaker 1: out putting it in the refrigerator for later on us.

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Speaker 3: This was about the fight.

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Speaker 1: Glad they don't do that no more so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what year it was, but you're probably

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's one of his favorite players, and it was

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Speaker 2: it was voted as it was voted, let me here,

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Speaker 2: let me, let me finish it.

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Speaker 3: On the set.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't know that from you said.

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Speaker 2: It was voted like probably the eighty fifth best play

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Speaker 2: of there's.

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Speaker 3: No there's no eighty there's no probably. It was voted

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Speaker 3: eighty fifth. Can you not do that? Just like a terrible,

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Speaker 3: terrible man? Anybody ever told you that you're.

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Speaker 2: A terrible work wife. I want a divorce, you bad,

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Speaker 2: Come give me somebody else. It was voted the eighty

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Speaker 2: fifth excuse me I received, let me, let me try back.

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Speaker 3: Let me.

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Speaker 2: It was voted the eighty fifth best play, the chant

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Speaker 2: Bayley play where you ran him down?

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Speaker 3: How tired were you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sleep, I could run back then? Who threw a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who's throwing the rock to? Been watching Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: Now if we take that same game, yeah, and we

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Speaker 2: Give me, Give me a situation, the environment in or

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Speaker 3: I like that. What was it like playing for two

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Speaker 4: I know Drew very personally, but can not be a

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Speaker 4: jump offside. Dude, it's a little different up there. Competitors.

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Speaker 4: They're both competitors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's no cookie cutter for a leader, Like

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Speaker 1: But they both prepare very well. I remember coming to

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Speaker 1: He's going through by himself, visualizing the game, the preparation

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Speaker 3: I mean, like that, that's beautifully said.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy does write books, So that's trying

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Speaker 1: of this country. We care about what happened we come

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Speaker 1: from communities, we live in communities like we have aspirations

440
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Speaker 1: outside of the game. We want our voices to be

441
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Speaker 1: heard and understood as much as anybody else, and we

442
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Speaker 1: deserve that we have dignity as humans that are outside

443
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Speaker 1: of our ability to play football. And so when you

444
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go on cable news or go

445
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: speak somewhere and it has nothing to do with football,

446
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: it's a good feeling at the same time. At the

447
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: same time, one of the first things that people tell

448
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Speaker 1: you when you get in the league is use football.

449
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: Don't let football you just use you right, use football,

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: don't let football use you. And it's because of football

451
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Speaker 1: that I had an opportunity to do those things. It's

452
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Speaker 1: because of football that we all have different opportunities because

453
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Speaker 1: there is a certain platform and gravitize that comes with

454
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Speaker 1: playing this game. But when it's shifted and you can

455
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Speaker 1: opportunity to speak about other things, it's also of validating

456
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Speaker 1: to say I'm not that I'm more than an athlete,

457
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Speaker 1: but that the totality of who I am is is

458
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Speaker 1: much greater than the sport.

459
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Speaker 2: Did you get a lot of I don't want to

460
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: say hate, but like negativity towards speaking on some of

461
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Speaker 2: the current events.

462
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Speaker 3: Was there a lot of smoke that came with that.

463
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even think we called a smoke

464
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: back then, but yeah, but you know that there's what's

465
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Speaker 1: what what's cool is they always say, don't talk about

466
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Speaker 1: politics and religion, you know, but but in football we

467
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: used to. We talk about all this stuff. Such a

468
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Speaker 1: different space, exactly.

469
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Speaker 3: The safest space you've ever been.

470
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Speaker 1: It is just crazy. In corporate incorporate, you can't say

471
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: nothing like needles, like guys, it's okay like this, these

472
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Speaker 1: are things we're all thinking about. Let's just talk about it.

473
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Speaker 1: And so it was cool to see even coaches coming

474
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Speaker 1: aside and I heard what you said. I agree with it.

475
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Speaker 1: Although I can't, you know, really talk about it. I

476
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: will get messages from people that agree with me one

477
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent, people that thought I was a complete idiot

478
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: in a buffoon, and everywhere in between. People are looking

479
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: for authenticity. And what I mean by that is, even

480
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: if we just got out a political election, whenever you

481
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: see this podcast, it might be a few months ago,

482
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but we all still know what happened.

483
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: We just got out of that. What we yearn for,

484
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: even in people that we don't agree with, is authenticity,

485
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Like we want them to be convicted with their convictions

486
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Speaker 1: and be true and truth like live with integrity. And

487
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Speaker 1: even the people that didn't agree with me, they say,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't agree with you. I don't know

489
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: about this God's stuff. I'm not a person of faith,

490
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: or I think that race is fine in America, whatever.

491
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Speaker 1: But I trust you because I think you really mean

492
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Speaker 1: the best for Peaple and so to me, that's that's

493
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Speaker 1: what it's about. So if you're getting the smoke, if

494
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: you're getting the hate, you know what, that's fine to

495
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: be challenged. Everybody doesn't have to agree, but we should

496
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Speaker 1: be able to trust that we have each other's best

497
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Speaker 1: interest in our heart. Yeah.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I have this quote from the Cost of

499
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Speaker 3: good Leadership, and I want to know how you tried

500
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Speaker 3: to model yourself as a player and in your everyday life.

501
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna read the quote through you first.

502
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Speaker 4: Okay, good leadership is about managing your burdens well while

503
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Speaker 4: being willing to sacrifice for others. Understanding the cost of

504
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Speaker 4: leadership will help you become someone worth following.

505
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Speaker 1: How does that?

506
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Speaker 4: How do you think you try to portray those characteristics

507
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Speaker 4: in your everyday life and then specifically even more in

508
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Speaker 4: a locker room, especially as you became who you have become.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I started off a New Ingland with the Patriots,

510
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: and uh, we want a lot, but a really tough

511
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: place to play for one of them places where there's

512
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: high expectations, a lot of accountability. But one of the

513
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Speaker 1: things when we used to come into the into the

514
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Speaker 1: building in New engl on the door you had all

515
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Speaker 1: these things you saw, you saw a version of them

516
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Yeah, because they all come from the

517
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: same coaching tree. Everybody copies everybody else. But one of

518
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: the things is put the team first. And leadership is

519
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: about being a servant. That's anesthetical to how we many

520
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: times think about leadership. Who's always in the front automatically

521
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks, a leader automatically, a spokesperson as a leader

522
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Speaker 1: automatically the person that's making the most in NIL now

523
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Speaker 1: if you're in college, is a leader. But true leadership

524
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Speaker 1: is serving us, agree, and we do that in different ways.

525
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Speaker 1: One of the ways we do that is if it's

526
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Speaker 1: if it's your role run down on special teams and

527
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: you're the starting safety ben the Pro Bowls, and you

528
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: do it to the best of your ability. You're a leader,

529
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: but you're a leader. People are watching that when you

530
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: respond a certain way to disappointment or losing, you're a leader.

531
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Speaker 1: People are watching you when they ask you to do

532
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: something for someone else on the field, or let's let's

533
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: let's translate it. Let's move it to home. When you

534
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: come home and your wife has been home all day

535
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: and you're tired, and you know she's tired, but you

536
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: put her knees first and allow her to have a

537
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: reprieve when you want one, you're being a leader. And

538
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: so for me, what I've what I saw and what

539
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: I tried to do in the locker room was man,

540
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: be a trusted voice, be authentic voice. Be someone who is, yes,

541
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Speaker 1: a leader in my performance and my consist see on

542
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: the field, but also somebody who understands that man leadership

543
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: really is about servant. Like you know, you're a leader

544
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: when when people are in crisis and having trouble in

545
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: their personal life, they seek you out. Yeah, a lot

546
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: of times they don't seek out the guy who's the

547
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: most popular, who seems to have the fastest car and

548
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: all the girls. They may not seek him out when

549
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: they're having problems, when they're struggling internally with something with

550
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: fear of failure, spiritually, someone passing their family, they're facing

551
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: a scary situation, they're on the bubble, whatever it may be.

552
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Years later, somebody may call you up. Man, I was

553
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: with you in the locker room. I was doing my thing. Man,

554
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: can you help me out in this situation. That's that's leadership,

555
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and that's where I'll strive to be.

556
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. You said the leaders

557
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Speaker 3: they run down on special teams.

558
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Speaker 2: I'm on this dude never played. He just refused to

559
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: place for the teams. Like, I will not let that wright,

560
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: I will not.

561
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Speaker 1: I've just seen him, Yeah on kick Off. I've seen

562
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Speaker 1: him in Kickoff. That's what I'm talking about. I don't

563
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: do that.

564
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Speaker 3: Don't on this food.

565
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Speaker 4: He's just mad because like, I'm not a special teams guy.

566
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm sorry.

567
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

568
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Speaker 3: If you had to, yeah, as you to. He never

569
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Speaker 3: asked me to. I did pustle a personal protector a

570
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Speaker 3: couple of times. Yeah, I s before I got to

571
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Speaker 3: watch the film.

572
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Speaker 1: I don't believe I wasn't a sweet located. Yeah, to

573
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Speaker 1: make it sweet though, he had to make it different

574
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Speaker 1: than everybody else, Like, you know, he had to put

575
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Speaker 1: his own sauce on it.

576
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Speaker 3: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

577
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Speaker 2: You're a writer, speaker, author, uh, correspondent, film TV.

578
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: You got seven kids? Damn he was only going for six.

579
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Speaker 2: My husband, I'll call that one of the most important

580
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Jesus was your husband. Like, where do you find a

581
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Speaker 2: time to one speak about the things you want to

582
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Speaker 2: speak about? Again, as I alluded to earlier, you you

583
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Speaker 2: you speak about current events, Like where do you have

584
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Speaker 2: the time to do any of this? Because that's that's

585
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Speaker 2: a lot.

586
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't do good with my time. I don't.

587
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Speaker 1: One thing I'm trying to do better with is my

588
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: replenishment cycles and taking time for myself for things that

589
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: are important to me to have that cycle so that

590
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I have enough to give out. I've experienced burnout in

591
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: some you know, some regards. I think that one of

592
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Speaker 1: the toughest things in retiring, I guess almost five years

593
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: ago now was like a lack of schedule. Yeah, a

594
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: lack of a schedule and a lack of a cadence.

595
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Like everything in life, date night is predicated on Tuesday

596
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: being your day off or Thursday, whenever you want to

597
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: do it. Like your vacations, you know what you got

598
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: to do here, you have a sense of accomplishment. And

599
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: then when I retired, it was like, you get all

600
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: these opportunities, what do you say no to? What do

601
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: you say yes to? And next thing you know you're

602
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: spent seven in the morning is whatever at night. My

603
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: dog gets done with ballet at nine thirty at night.

604
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure out when I had time

605
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: to really do anything and take a breath. And so

606
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: when do I have time? It comes in spurts. One

607
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: thing I'm learning is when I'm home to be present.

608
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: I've known that that's nothing new, but as busy as

609
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: we are as fathers, as businessmen, whatever we're doing, when

610
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: you're home, you got to be present. Like your kids

611
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: don't care how much money you make, they don't care

612
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: how much you're on TV. I had a time I

613
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: came home from SEC Network from the weekend and my daughter,

614
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: she was seven years older at the time, and she said, Daddy,

615
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: I saw you on TV this weekend. I said, yeah,

616
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: how she said, man, you look you look really really happy.

617
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: You were smiling. Why don't you smile when you're at home?

618
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Oh?

619
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: But but what she was saying was, man, you go

620
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: out here and you work and you you you perform

621
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: and you put out there, and then when you get

622
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: home when we need the best of you, you're drained

623
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: and you're moping around and you're in a a in

624
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: a sense of duty here at home.

625
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: How was I received?

626
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: I received it like, man, Yeah, I needed that. I

627
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: need that correction, and it was better coming from your

628
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: daughter than the way. But when that happens, you thank

629
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: them for telling you. You that, man, Thank you that.

630
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling Daddy that I can make changes here.

631
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: And So getting back to your question about when when

632
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: I have time to do things, I blocked time during

633
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: certain times of the year for certain things. You know,

634
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: this is SEC time, this is this is SEC network time.

635
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: The majority of my time is preparing for the weekends

636
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: for broadcasting and watching him, you know, do his thing

637
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: and talk about the football games. You know, in the

638
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: off season. There's the other things that I'm doing. But

639
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm always doing is being

640
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: with the kids as much as I can. We had

641
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: a wrestling match last night, my son's first wrestling match.

642
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Did he win? Both? The matches went very quickly. He

643
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: did not win either. They just want you to thirty seconds.

644
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Hey, how are you enjoying doing the s TV on

645
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: the SEC networ I don't think I've ever asked you that. Yeah, man,

646
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: I'm in I'm enjoying like seeing the storylines. I'm enjoying

647
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: this time of year when I know the teams. I

648
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: don't enjoy getting to know the teams like I don't

649
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: enjoy the first six weeks of the city season.

650
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the talking where everybody's like playing these outer conference games.

651
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna win by seventy points. You don't know who's

652
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: good and who's not. All you know is some statistics,

653
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't enjoy that. I do enjoy like understanding, man,

654
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: this team is really good at this and they're gonna

655
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: match up like this against this team and seeing how

656
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: that goes. You know, That's that's that's intrigued. That's intriguing

657
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: to me. I enjoy being in studio with the guys,

658
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, I enjoy the camaraderie. I don't enjoy the

659
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: fact that we don't leave the studio till one in

660
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: the morning. I suffer for three days trying to catch

661
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: up with sleep off that where's the sec Charlotte, Arlotte? Okay, yeah, yeah,

662
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: yeah there in Valentine. Yeah, we're in Arlotte.

663
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: But so the nightly show that he's on was the

664
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: one I first started on.

665
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 4: And so when I went back on the road because

666
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: COVID lifted, I went back on the road. That's when

667
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: Ben came in right behind me and he did the

668
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: night show. And the night show is great, Like the

669
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: guys there are awesome, a whole bunch of laughs, be

670
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: funny a lot, But then it's also like, well, you

671
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 4: don't know what time that thing gonna end. Like whenever

672
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 4: that last game rolls through, that's when you get started.

673
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 5: But before that, there all day long, all day long,

674
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: halftimes and post games and fills when you know when

675
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 5: there's lightning delays, all.

676
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: That good stuff.

677
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 4: Yes, So, where so you talked about the priorities and

678
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: where you know you more of a season, No, guy,

679
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: when this season happened, This is where I'm at when

680
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: this season happens, where it's this, How long is it

681
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 4: taking you to kind of figure out a good schedule?

682
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: Because like it's taking me years where I'm like, okay,

683
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: I kind of like where I'm at. All this day

684
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: is focused on this, this day, is this this day,

685
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: I'm taking the kids to school because my wife's grinding

686
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 4: on it and I want to just let her sleep

687
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: even though she's not going to.

688
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a work in progress and I

689
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: still don't have it all. And I think also it

690
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: was about giving myself some grace through my football career.

691
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but man, every day

692
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: had a focus and a checklist every day, down to

693
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: your car practicor your massage, your meals. Obviously the practice schedule,

694
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff, but every day was really

695
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: set during the season and now, man, things change a bit,

696
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: and what was frustrating was that I didn't have this

697
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: set schedule. But now I'm understanding, Look, there are certain priorities,

698
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: but also give yourself some grace. Give yourself some grace,

699
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: Like if you don't if you don't hit something today

700
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: that you needed to hit today, it's okay. Yeah, it's okay.

701
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: That's big. Like the world is going to keep going.

702
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine, you know, And as a as

703
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: an athlete, I struggled with that, like, oh my gosh,

704
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be prepared if I don't get this

705
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: done right now because I had to go pick up

706
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: the kids from here or and I want to pick

707
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: them up because I'm available now. It's not like I

708
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: have to be anywhere, And so giving myselfself some grace

709
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: has been big. I went and did a thing called

710
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: life playing a little while ago, and it's an intensive

711
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: two day process where you kind of map your life

712
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: and kind of find find uh, you know, your calling,

713
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: your mission, the things that you're good at, how you're designed,

714
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: what you need to replenish and to be at your best,

715
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: how to filter out no's and yes's for different opportunities. Man,

716
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: should I pursue this business? Should I not do this?

717
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 6: This?

718
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be fulfilling for me. And it really

719
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: gave me kind of a sense of of clarity as

720
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: far as look, these are the things that are priorities

721
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: in your life, like these you don't give up. You know, family,

722
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: you know your mission, your faith, whatever it is. These

723
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: are things that can kind of rotate a bit. These

724
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: are things that are going to drain you. You might

725
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: be good at them. You might have an opportunity to

726
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: do them, but man, you're not wired to do that.

727
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of the work in progress

728
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned where you know, it's it's it's it's a

729
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: discovery time, I think. I think Roman like right now

730
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm at the first four years out of the league

731
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: or a lot of ups and downs, even emotionally, like

732
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there are times where I go see a psychiatrist,

733
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and I just feel like, dude,

734
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what what am I accomplishing, what am

735
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: I doing? And those are really real feelings, all feelings

736
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: of like depths. And so now I feel like four

737
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: years out, five years out, almost starting to see like

738
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: this next life and all that has to offer and

739
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: it's and it's okay.

740
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: Was it hard to make that decision to go talk

741
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: to somebody?

742
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I remember the first time I wanted to

743
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: go see a psychiatrist. I was in year six in

744
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: New England, my last year there actually year five in

745
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: New England, and I was just having stress, headaches, I

746
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: was I was just overwhelmed and we didn't have kids

747
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: at the time, and my wife told me, you need

748
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: to go see somebody, I want to go see somebody.

749
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: That was my first entry into what now is like

750
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: mental health. I mean this was this was two thousand

751
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: and eight. Yeah, yeah, like won't nobody going to see

752
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: that type of help. But that was my first experience

753
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: there and it helped me finish out my years there

754
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: and kind of a different outlook. But then fast forward

755
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: to now, it still was difficult to admit that you

756
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: that you that the walls are closing in. Yeah, you

757
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: know that that you're that you're in a place that

758
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: you can't get yourself out of. You can't work yourself

759
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: out of this. You need help. But what's crazy is

760
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: as soon as you take that first step, you have

761
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: that first consultation, like, man, why haven't I done this before? Yeah?

762
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: What is the shame? There ain't no shame in it.

763
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: We don't have shame when we go get our car fixed.

764
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: We don't have shame when we go get a massage

765
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: because we've got a bad hamstring. Like why should we

766
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: be ashamed to go have somebody help you with your life? Yeah,

767
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, and with some of the some of the

768
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: with some of the chemical struggles that you're dealing with.

769
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: We repair everything else it's the same thing.

770
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a I think that's a great way

771
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: to say. We talked about that earlier. One about showing

772
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: each other a little bit more grace.

773
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: But two part of the hardest thing for us as athletes,

774
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: but help black athletes, Like it's just kind of a

775
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of a stigma, like it's taboo growing up

776
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: in a black home or household to go and talk

777
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: to someone about like what's going on up here. It's

778
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: kind of look kind of look down upon, you know,

779
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: within within the community.

780
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, for sure, I think everybody has to.

781
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: You have to figure out a way to where Ben

782
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: saying like you at some point you get comfortable enough

783
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: or you get scared and you're like I got to

784
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: do something, Yeah, because you know something is just not right.

785
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: I want to know.

786
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: I want to tell you something else. That's that.

787
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 4: I would look on the outside and say, I don't

788
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 4: know if it was right either, Ben, that was you

789
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: playing football to you or thirty nine years old.

790
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Even though I don't know.

791
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 7: If Kirston was here, she'd be like, I know it

792
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 7: wasn't right, especially because like you know, you'd had a

793
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 7: couple of injuries.

794
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you tore, you tore achilles, You rupture your achilles

795
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: out over you. I was I was thirty six, Yeah,

796
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: thirty six with the Yeah, okay, which is it?

797
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: Sit down stage? You shut it down six months? Yeah,

798
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: ain't doing nothing.

799
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Change my whole change my whole life.

800
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 4: Oka really all right? And you still had all these

801
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: other things going on. I think you're being an author

802
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: at this time. You've written a book. Yeah, you, like

803
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: I said, you've been on CNN like doing all these things.

804
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: You You've been pulled in many, many different directions, Yet

805
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: you chose to still try and roll back out there.

806
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 6: Why?

807
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Man? Why? Why? I'm a personally has a strong sense

808
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: of commitment to a fault. I feel like once I

809
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: start something, I can't walk away from it, even if

810
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: it's beating the crap out of me. Yeah. I also

811
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: felt like, man, there were things in this game that

812
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I wanted that I hadn't accomplished yet, Like what going

813
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl? You never been able, no real

814
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl. As stupid as that sounds

815
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: right now, it's forty three, almost forty four right now.

816
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: As stupid as that sounds right now, there were things

817
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: that I thought I could maybe do at thirty six

818
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: years old. You ain't going over. You ain't been, you

819
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: ain't going you know what I'm saying. But then I

820
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: was thinking, Man, I'm gonna come back from this. I'm

821
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna make it to the Pro Bowl. I've deserved it

822
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: in the past. I'm gonna earn this accolade. You mentioned

823
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: being a super Bowl champ, right, the Super Bowl that

824
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: I played and we lost, the Super Bowl that we won,

825
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I had an acl I want to be back on

826
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: the field for Super Bowl, right. I want to make

827
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more money, no doubt. There's never enough.

828
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Billionaires say the same thing. It's never enough. When is

829
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: it really enough? You know, a whole litany pride, you know, identity. Yeah, hey,

830
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: I've been I put a lot into this, Like I

831
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: put a lot of blood, sweat, tears, as they say,

832
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: like emotional scars. I fought through a lot of stuff.

833
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: I came back from a lot of stuff, moved my

834
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: family around like this. This is not who I am,

835
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: But man, this is a big part of who I am, right,

836
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: you know, Like if I don't do this, who am I? Yeah?

837
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: You know, that's it's tough to say, but that's those

838
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: are the things that kept me going. And a lot

839
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: of people say, man, you know you got this beautiful family.

840
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: Yes I do. You got his wonderful wife, Yes I do.

841
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: We'll be married. We've been married twenty years. Next year

842
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: it'll be twenty years. You've got all these things going

843
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: for you. Yes I do. Man, you've had seven cushions, yep,

844
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: you had a cl You've had achilles, You've had I

845
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: had everything. Yeah, why why are you still playing well?

846
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Because those things I still feel like I want to do,

847
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: And so that's why I kept going. But and then

848
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: there was this other part of it as well, that, man,

849
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: my last I would say, my last five years in

850
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: the league or probably the sweetest as far as impact goes,

851
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: because there's this other side that says, Okay, if I'm

852
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: going to be in this locker room, I have a

853
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: chance to impact young men's lives, which impacts generations like

854
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: I may be the only guy that has to the

855
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: status to look at them and say, man, what are

856
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: you doing with that girl? What are you doing with

857
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: these kids? You haven't seen your kid? And how long

858
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: you can? You know what, you can be a dad

859
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: even if you didn't have one. Right, what I'm saying

860
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: like you can change the course of your entire family

861
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: treat I believe that about you. I can talk to

862
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: another guy and say, hey, man, you're struggling with this man.

863
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: This is what scripture says about your situation. And so

864
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: there was this desire to achieve and attain. For sure,

865
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: there was also this, man, I don't know how much

866
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: longer I'm have this opportunity to be in this locker

867
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: room and impact these young men outside of the game

868
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: for eternity. I don't want to I don't want to

869
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: take that for granted. So I wanted to be on mission,

870
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, in that respect, Like, Okay, if I'm going

871
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: to be in this locker room and keep playing, it's

872
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: gonna suck in a lot of ways. I can't wait

873
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: till game day because i'ma have some good medicine and

874
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: my body's gonna feel good. Practice is gonna be terrible. Yeah,

875
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: But I can also impact these young men like that.

876
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: That was my goal.

877
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: And at that point the NFL locker room hat completely

878
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: flipped upside doubt, where like it wasn't older vets anymore.

879
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: It was like one or two maybe, and then it

880
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: was a whole bunch of young guys. So what you

881
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: were saying is true value and impact. That's something I

882
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: served at least, I just was not even thinking, but

883
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: really truly serving.

884
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: I really felt that when you was talking to me,

885
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: like I need to be a better dad, and I

886
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: know you was used to me as an example, but

887
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: like the way you looked at me, it was very intentional.

888
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I do need to be a

889
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: better dad. I don't know my dad, but I know

890
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: my dad. But it made me feel like I was like, damn,

891
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: I feel that.

892
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: Okay, that was yeah, that was good. Have you gotten

893
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 3: over not accomplishing all those goals?

894
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: That's that's part of my journey, even with my psychologists,

895
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: it's part of it. It's part of like, it's part

896
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: of the part of the process of moving on in

897
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: total contentment and being totally I guess forward facing. It's

898
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: part of it. It is getting over some of those things,

899
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: and no, I haven't gotten over some of those things.

900
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: That is that a good thing for you to be

901
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: able to say no, I haven't. It's it's a true thing, yeah,

902
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 4: because you always do that though.

903
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, I could say that, you know,

904
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: it's it's almost embarrassing to say a bit. Yeah, you know,

905
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: it's it's embarrassing a bit to say it could be,

906
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: but I'm confident in that. Yeah, you know, there are

907
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: some things that that I haven't gotten over. And and

908
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: it's certain times a year. Hm, there's certain times a

909
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: year when certain things are announced. There's certain teams make.

910
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: This you know, Yeah, triggers.

911
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: What would have been? You play it out in your

912
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: mind a different way, But that's that's part of the process.

913
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: So I think my trigger is super Bowl. Oh, there's

914
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: no I never I never won a super Bowl.

915
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: He always throws it in my face and I'm and

916
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: I'm your friends, Yeah we are, right, the biggest jerk,

917
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: the biggest jerk.

918
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: But Ben like he's like, I'm gonna put off my

919
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: ring right now.

920
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does like that all the time.

921
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 4: But then then like it's also where I get very

922
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: triggered when we bring up super Bowl fifty because like

923
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: I have this this secret vendetta that what happened, and

924
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: I'm just like it was really good, but like it

925
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: ended terrible in my opinion, and it's because of this

926
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: this that so.

927
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: I was that or is that a thing?

928
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: Though?

929
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: Like I know, I know our Super Bowl. So that

930
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: was the twenty eighteen Saints Rams.

931
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's definitely true.

932
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: That made me another year.

933
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: I gotta get this ye this way, I was done.

934
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I was retired. I was I was done. Yeah, I

935
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not playing more. Even after that game,

936
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. It got to be like

937
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: May and June and I started thinking I can't. I can't. No, no,

938
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: it can't in that way, go back, run back out

939
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: there like an idiot.

940
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: It's so I'm real big on like education, right. I

941
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: went back to school in twenty fifteen. I got a degree.

942
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: I wanted my kids to see that I graduated. Now,

943
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: I know you're in school right now. Where are you

944
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: going and what are you studying?

945
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually on a break because of the football season.

946
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: I realized I can't do it. At the same time, yeah,

947
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: but I have completed a full year at American University

948
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: fully online. American University is a probably university in Washington,

949
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: d C. And I'm studying getting a masters in Public

950
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: administration and public Policy. I mean, I was a finance

951
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: major at Georgia. I was you know, never never thought

952
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: I'd do anything like this, But just because of conversations

953
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: and places spaces that I've been in. Want to have

954
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: a better understanding of policy, how it impacts communities and

955
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: people administration. So it's been it's been fun. My intro

956
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: class was I was like, Okay, I'm gonna be cool

957
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: with this, and then they pulled out like, you know,

958
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: the legal aspect in all these court cases, which was

959
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: interesting but difficult. And then it got to budgeting and

960
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, corporate budgeting, not corporate budd like cities and

961
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: managing all this stuff. So it's been challenging, but it's

962
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: been it's been good to think, to think in a

963
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: different way, to do something different. Part of it was

964
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: I want to challenge myself to think. So I don't

965
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm to do with it, I want to

966
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: challenge myself in a different way.

967
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: I like the fact that you're going back to school.

968
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: I got my I think I grabbed my degree in

969
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: like twenty fifteen during the season and U or I know,

970
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: I graduate the summer of twenty fifteen when I was

971
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: in Charlotte. And We've had all types of guests come

972
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: on this podcast, and I'm I'm real big on like

973
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: staying green and you're either green and growing or ripe

974
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: and rotten.

975
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: And I always want to stay green and just keep

976
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: growing and keep learning, learn something new.

977
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: I proposed that me and this guy go back and

978
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: we get an NBA, Like I'm down to get a

979
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: second master's, so I'm trying to get him.

980
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm like, come on, let's let's do it. Let's

981
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 3: go get our nbas.

982
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Like the legal pay for it, exactly right, Yeah, leg

983
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: pay for it, so you we're gonna get reimbursed. Like

984
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: let's let's go get this. Let's go get this bread,

985
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: let's go get it. Come on, all right, you know

986
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: what because Ben's here, Let be real, honest, all right.

987
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Number one, neither of you guys saw me as a student.

988
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 2: Number shoot, I did, And I ain't trying to go back.

989
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to have nothing to do with none

990
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: of that.

991
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: None of that.

992
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. Like like the prospect of going

993
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: back to school, it sounds good, and then like you

994
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: realize you're forty something years old, and it's just like

995
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm on the zoom calls with these kids getting these

996
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: kids getting their masters, and I feel like I'm an

997
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: old person on this call. These folks are fresh out

998
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: of college and they know how to use to calculator

999
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: and do everything. I don't know. I had that. My

1000
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: daughter showed me about Canva, how to do a presentation

1001
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: on Canva. Canva. It's like this the site where you

1002
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: can make slide shows and presentations. I'm up here talking

1003
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: about like powerpoints.

1004
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1005
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: It's not a thing.

1006
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: See, this is what you want to send me out

1007
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: like that. You know you got to Google docs.

1008
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: And all that stuff.

1009
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: You can send me out there like that. I'm straight.

1010
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: We've all had some success in our lives, and we've

1011
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: all had people to kind of shape and mold us

1012
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: and kind of who we are today. If you had

1013
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: to put four people on your mount rushmore of influence.

1014
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: Who with those four people?

1015
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Just people in general who have influenced me? Yes, sir,

1016
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: First one will be my father. Yep, first one be

1017
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: my dad, Ken Watson. Daddy is sixty eight years old

1018
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: now living in Rocky Hill, South Carolina, still pastoring the

1019
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: church there that you planet. I'm the oldest of six kids.

1020
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: He was the disciplinarian, but also the one who nurtured us.

1021
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: He and my mom. This leaders in a lot of

1022
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: ways was best man of my wedding. So the first

1023
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: one would be my dad because he's my hero, Like

1024
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: he's the one I always wanted to be like. I

1025
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: still want to be like my dad. So he's the

1026
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: first one. Second person I would say, man, David Patton, DP. Yeah, DP.

1027
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: And I've never had anybody ask me this question before.

1028
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: But the reason why I say him, especially in this

1029
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: context is when I was a rookie, I was engaged.

1030
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: We got engaged right before my rookie year, got married

1031
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: after my rookie year. And in that locker room, my

1032
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: locker room right next to David Patton, and he would

1033
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: always talk about his wife, like all the time, like

1034
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: he sent her flowers, He sent him flowers. His family

1035
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: was in South Carolina, so we had that connection. And

1036
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: he was the one person in the entire locker room

1037
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: that said, man, this is a good thing. You can

1038
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: do it, like you can be married in this league,

1039
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: you can have you can have a you know, a relationship. Man,

1040
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for doing this. And again, he

1041
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: was one of those veteran players, one of one of

1042
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: those veteran voices. You know, I miss him. He's passed away,

1043
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: but you know, he was a guy that when I

1044
00:54:52,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: think about leadership, man, he's he's there. Man. This person, No,

1045
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a face. He walked this earth two

1046
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, and I probably shouldn't name him first,

1047
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: but it's Jesus Christ. Fully man Fully, God died for

1048
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: our sins, made it so that we could be made

1049
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: right with him. The entire scripture is about that one person.

1050
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: And the one thing I do every day. I try

1051
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: to do every day is read my Bible because there

1052
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: is truth in God's work. And when I look at

1053
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: my life, I look at my perspective on life. It

1054
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: all comes because of my relationship with Jesus Christ. So

1055
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: he's on there, even though we don't know what he

1056
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: looks like. His face is on there. And then lastly

1057
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: will be my wife. You know, we'll be Kirsten. We've

1058
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: been married for going on twenty years. She's my best friend.

1059
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: She challenges me, she sharpens me. She's my help meet.

1060
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: As Scripture talks about it, you know, when the two

1061
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: become more flesh. She's the one I trust the most.

1062
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: She's the one whose opinion matters the most. You know,

1063
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: from anything from what I'm worrying to how I'm speaking

1064
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: to things that I would do. She's she's the why not.

1065
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: She's the one that tells me who's more reserved? Man,

1066
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: go try this? Go do this, yes, go try to

1067
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: do TV. See if it works. Yes, go do these

1068
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: sorts of things. She's she's my best friend. So yeah,

1069
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: that was a good question, dude, and I never thought

1070
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, the first time.

1071
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: We ever did it.

1072
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 6: I like it.

1073
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: Kirsten is the happiest pregnant woman I've ever seen.

1074
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 6: That.

1075
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: Did you tell her?

1076
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 4: I said that pregnant the happiest I've never seen. The

1077
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: pregnant woman is happiest, just.

1078
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: Like she won't happy with her last two. We never

1079
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: finished the story, but you were right. You slid that

1080
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: in her talking. We really wanted six. So basically we

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00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: had five. Yeah, we talked about having four. Let me

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00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: so this started even way before this.

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: So Ben Watson is the first person because I had

1084
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 4: two girls and I was like, I don't think I

1085
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: can have boys.

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00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: Then watch is the only person that I was like, dude,

1087
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: you can do it. You can do this, bro. Man.

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I had two girls first, and look at me, I

1089
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: got like four two boys. Now, like through though, the

1090
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: first thing it's like, bro, you can do it. You

1091
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: can do this. You gotta you can control this.

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get nervous.

1093
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: He's like, well you can't.

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: But I tell you what, like, I'm so glad I

1095
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: had those girls first. Me too, dude, my girls. My

1096
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: boys are boys are idiots. I'm just gonna say it

1097
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: like like they are. So we had two girls, and

1098
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: we had two boys, and we had another girl. Yeah,

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00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: I was fine, and.

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: He's like, we gotta go even number.

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: She said, I was good. I'm good at fine, Like

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: even number I can five is good, Bob is good.

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00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: She wants everybody to have, you know, a friend on

1104
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: the roller coaster and even numbers a partner and everything.

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00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we tried for number six sadly after

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00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: we had if you knew we had two miscarriages, number six. Yeah,

1107
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: and find out at that point, man, there's a lot

1108
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: of people that struggle with that. We didn't know. It's

1109
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: a very it's a very common occurrence, but one that

1110
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: we as a community like just don't do well. We

1111
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: don't comfort people.

1112
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

1113
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: It impacts women, but impacts impacts fathers as well, like

1114
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: losing a child is a big deal. And so we

1115
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: went through that twice living in Baltimore by ourselves, had

1116
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: the Achilles like. It was a really really low time

1117
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: for us as the family. And then we said we'll

1118
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: try one more time. We moved to New Orleans. I

1119
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: go in there to look at the ultrasound picture. At

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: this point, I already know like what everything is, and

1121
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: we're scared because of the miscarriages. She said, they're a

1122
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: baby in there, and the lady goes, well, I don't

1123
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: see one, I see two. So we go from five

1124
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: to seven. So we still uneven. But seven is a

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00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: number of completion and we are complete and perfect.

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00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: We ain't gonna have a complete I'm out another game

1127
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 6: about I'm out bro No, But I I thought it

1128
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 6: was hilarious because going to six and they got seven,

1129
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 6: nobody we ain't.

1130
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: Nobody got twins.

1131
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: So she won't happy in that pregnice dog she was, Yeah,

1132
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: she was not happy.

1133
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: She was happy without she's you know, I've seen her

1134
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 4: through three pregnants and she was the happiest.

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Them twins are different, dude, They got it, Dude. Them

1136
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: twins try the man. They tried to They tried to

1137
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: kill her. The twins identical boys. They literally try to

1138
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: like take everything from her. They're five years old now.

1139
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Whenever they disrespect their mama. God, dude, I will smack

1140
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: your face off, like if you know, you know right,

1141
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: she ain't going through that having other ones, but you

1142
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: you better never say anything better.

1143
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: It's well funny, hey, well, thank you give me that

1144
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 4: confidence too, dog. I forgot to mention that the first one.

1145
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Dude, just make sure went a little wrong in them,

1146
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, when they go do great things of life.

1147
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: Just make sure I get a ticket.

1148
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: I got you, dog, I got the same that. Uh well, anyways, man,

1149
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: thank you as always been man.

1150
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Bro, You're a blessing everywhere you go, into

1151
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: every room you're into. So continue on your happiness, on

1152
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 4: your journey. I love calling you a teammate now again

1153
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: being with the network, we still text and talk about

1154
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: all those things, and we get to talk college football,

1155
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 4: which we both love. So and everybody. He also went

1156
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: to Duke as well. He's not just a Georgia guy,

1157
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 4: So I'm a double dog.

1158
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that. Nobody knows that. But

1159
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: he started out at Duke and he went to Georgia stuff.

1160
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: Before the transfer report.

1161
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he was like the original past that.

1162
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah that was weird. Yeah but uh anyways, thank you man.

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 4: To all of our listeners and viewers out there wherever

1165
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 4: you pick up your podcast, whether it's iHeartRadio, app or

1166
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,240
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1167
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,880
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1168
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 4: You can also see us check us out now on

1169
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 4: the new NFL YouTube channel. I appreciate that, peanut.

1170
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: Thank you man.

1171
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 4: Anyways, I always say, man, tell a friend to tell

1172
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 4: a friend to do what PU tell a friend.

1173
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: We go, Man, come see us, man, come check us out.

1174
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: We're doing big things, letting all these NFL guys tell

1175
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 4: their story and pour out to everybody else so then

1176
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 4: they can be back forward back.

1177
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: Into I'm peanut, that's wrong, that's been.

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Speaker 2: This is the NFL Player's second AXT podcast, and we

1179
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: out appreciate y'all