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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Matt Miller and

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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: We have a very exciting guest that we're going to

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Speaker 2: get straight two. But they've just put out a new product.

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Speaker 2: He has just put out a new product.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is Rob Dickinson of the nineties group Katherine

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Speaker 1: Wheel and more recently, the founder of Singer Vehicle Design.

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Speaker 1: He started the company in two thousand and nine, and

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Speaker 1: earlier this month, Singer just announced their latest gift to us,

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Speaker 1: the nine to eleven Carrera Coop, which is basically a

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Speaker 1: wide body variant of nine to eleven from the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: It's a great I love this car. I mean I've

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Speaker 2: always loved the shape of it because one of my

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Speaker 2: friend's dad's nine six four, but with the whale tail

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Speaker 2: and the wider hips. But one of my favorite stories

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Speaker 2: recently about it is Barry Ritholtz actually bought one intending

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Speaker 2: on butchering it and turning it electric. Remember, oh, I remember,

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Speaker 2: and this one. He couldn't bring himself to do it

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Speaker 2: because it was such a rare find. He figured out

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Speaker 2: after he bought it that he just restored it to

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Speaker 2: its original glory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so grateful he did.

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Speaker 2: He eventually went on to electrify another nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: which you.

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Speaker 1: Can previous episode exactly.

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Speaker 2: But Rob is basically making his best version of this

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Speaker 2: car Let's listen in. Ever since we had you on

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Speaker 2: my TV show, I've just been obsessed with your record.

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Speaker 2: I've been listening to Chrome like over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that's very cool.

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Speaker 2: I thank you because I hadn't really listened to it

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Speaker 2: since I guess the nineties or early two thousands.

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Speaker 3: So it's not bad, no bad.

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Speaker 2: It's been a reawakening the whole genre. I absolutely love.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why people call it shoegazing rock. Why

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Speaker 2: is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, we tended to stare at our shoes and I

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Speaker 3: have guitar effects, pedals and not too much rock and

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Speaker 3: roll posturing at the front of the stage. But it

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Speaker 3: was quite insular, loud rock music, so they called it shoegazing.

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Speaker 3: It was quite the enemy coined the phrase I think

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Speaker 3: very cool.

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Speaker 1: Rob. Are you still in Poland or are you back?

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Speaker 1: I know, I think you were just there to working

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Speaker 1: on a new partnership.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. Yes, So I

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Speaker 3: got back last week. So A wow, good, quite a

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Speaker 3: good visit to Warsaw. Quite quite an eye opener.

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Speaker 1: I went to Warsaw, gosh, probably twenty years ago. What

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Speaker 3: It was like Paris? It fell like Paris. It was

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Speaker 3: like it was like Paris. Certainly where we were staying.

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Speaker 3: We were staying in a reasonably posh hotel, could have

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Speaker 3: been any reasonably affluent European city. But it was great.

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Speaker 3: People are people, aren't they? Car Lovers are car lovers

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Speaker 3: all over the world. There was we did an event

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Speaker 3: at the at the Ferrari dealership and there's you know,

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Speaker 3: must have been one hundred car spotting kids outside with

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Speaker 3: their phones making their videos, and you realize you can

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Speaker 3: be anywhere in the world and it's all the same passion.

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Speaker 3: It's just fantastic that there's a whole bunch of youngsters

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Speaker 3: was when I was their agents. I find it quite amazing.

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Speaker 1: Are they like up on everything you guys offer? And

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Speaker 1: are you taking orders already in paces as far flung

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Speaker 3: I think the car sold out. Actually, maybe we can't

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Speaker 3: say that officially, but yeah, I think a few people

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Speaker 3: point of where we had to limit allocations to our

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Speaker 3: not sure really what I expected from Poland. Poland took

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Speaker 3: testament to the entrepreneurial spirit. It polls and known for anything.

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Speaker 3: They're known for sticking their shoulder in and working their

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have done something similar in even a

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Speaker 2: but I think first let's frame the new car, the

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Speaker 2: Carrera Coop is the new release from you from Singer

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Speaker 2: and it's basically the M four ninety one, right, so

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Speaker 2: it's a turbo Loook ninety six y four but with

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Speaker 2: a naturally aspirated engine. Tell me about it.

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Speaker 3: It's our re entry into offering something with a normally

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Speaker 3: aspirated engine. But at the moment, our cars the Classic

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Speaker 3: Turbo and the DLS Turbo a turbocharge cars, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of our clients have been asking us whether there

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Speaker 3: can be another normally aspirated car, And of course we've

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Speaker 3: of the career a coup is, like all our cars,

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Speaker 3: working on a very very special engine with Cosworth, the

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Speaker 3: mighty Cosworth in England, who are helping us develop it.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to come with something that was a real

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Speaker 3: definitive statement on what a classic air called Portion nine

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Speaker 3: the car that got us on the map. We're coming

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Speaker 3: something that was the brother of that car, if you like,

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Speaker 3: going to Cosworths to work on variable valve timing, water

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Speaker 3: an attempt to throw everything we knew and everything Cosworth

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Speaker 3: in a way that not only gives us as much

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Speaker 3: us in a rather sophisticated way through the regulatory challenges

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Speaker 3: the world. To build a high performing old Porschere engine

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Speaker 3: we've had to separate the fan from running off the engine,

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Speaker 3: the cylinders far more efficiently. So it's a complete holistic

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Speaker 3: very proud of that. That's the heart of the car.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to celebrate that idea than in the eighties

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Speaker 3: you could walk into a Porsche dealership and order your

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Speaker 3: new portion nine eleven with the pumped up skill of

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Speaker 1: I'm curious just in general, when you're talking about all

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Speaker 1: of these really significant improvements like chassis strengthening, you know,

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Speaker 1: adjusting the valve timing, all of these things. Are those

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Speaker 1: those coming in response to customer feedback? Hey can you

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Speaker 1: do this? Can you change this? We want more of this,

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Speaker 1: sort of of both.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's an easy answer, Singer.

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Speaker 3: Is not much of a democracy. I'm afraid with me

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Speaker 3: and my great friend and business partner Math, and it's

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Speaker 3: what we want. The companies built on me wanting very

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Speaker 3: what would it be? It would be have to be

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Speaker 3: very special. The wholy thoughts of the company was built

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Speaker 3: on what I wanted myself. With this with the arrogance

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Speaker 2: Respect that This is how the company came about. Your

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Speaker 2: what would it be? And all the things you had

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Speaker 2: to do. But previously you were in this very successful

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Speaker 2: band Catherine Wheel And as I said, I've been listening

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Speaker 2: to to your hit record Chrome over and over again

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Speaker 2: if I have it right, from Iron Maiden. So how

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Speaker 3: I studied car design at university. I mean, what which

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Speaker 3: I was twenty five, so that was nineteen nineties. What

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Speaker 3: So I think my passion for cars increased, and circumstances

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Speaker 3: to build my own perfect Portion nine eleven for myself,

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Speaker 3: and that car became the genesis of singer. And it

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Speaker 3: felt I was too old to rock and roll. I

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Speaker 3: think I felt I genuinely made the best music I could,

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to obsess about something else. I've been

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Speaker 2: By the way, Rob was that a family love? Because

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Speaker 2: doesn't Bruce Dickinson also raise PORSCHEZ.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, that's emphatic. He does a bunch of

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Speaker 3: can believe it. He's not really a car guy. I

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Speaker 1: I think in the family you say, nobody writes a

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Speaker 1: book about how to do this, But at this point

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Speaker 1: if anybody has now done a blueprint that a lot

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious, you know, to know what was the

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Speaker 3: Were excellent questions. What's what's smart? People you are? I

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Speaker 3: we respect that as well.

436
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Speaker 1: Does that mean we won't see any more lawsuits from

437
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Speaker 1: Porsche now that they dropped the last one?

438
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Speaker 3: I hope not again. You'd have to ask Porsche that,

439
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: But I think I think, I think we we we

440
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: sleep well at night knowing why we're here and what

441
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: we've what we've done for Porsche, which I think we

442
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: have done some stuff for Porsche and we hope that

443
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: they appreciate it. I think that's I think that's that's

444
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 3: probably the best way to put it. And and uh,

445
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 3: you know, Porsche, A lot of things change at Porsche

446
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: when when they when they launched their I p O,

447
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: they're lighty different companies than they have been in the past.

448
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 3: As a result of that, they have to they have

449
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: to police their brand with everybody, and they have to

450
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: be seen to be doing that, so that there's when

451
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: some of the things that may have been seen in

452
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: the press and stuff in the last the last year

453
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: or so need need to be taken through a certain

454
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 3: lens to a degree. And I'd like to I'd like

455
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: to think that everything's just fine and that there's a

456
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: there is some mutual respect between Singer and Porsche.

457
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Speaker 2: Dude, Can I ask about the the other things that

458
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: you're interested in? Because I was surprised the first time

459
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: I looked at your website, A little bit surprised the

460
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: first time I looked at your website and saw that

461
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: you also reimagine watches. Now, of course there's a lot

462
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: of overlap between car people and watch people. But what

463
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: got you into that and how deep are you willing

464
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Speaker 2: to get in it?

465
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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's it's a cliche, isn't it. A

466
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: car company is doing watches everyone it's it's it's portion

467
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: does well exactly. And I always thought it was a

468
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: bit silly, really, if if you go to a watch

469
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: company buy your watch, and the car company to buy

470
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Speaker 3: your car. But I got a phone call in twenty

471
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: seventeen from a guy called Marco Boracchino, who's the old

472
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: head of designer Panorai, and he said, Rob, I just

473
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: love what you're doing with the portion nine to eleven.

474
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Speaker 3: I've got this idea. Do you want to do a

475
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: watch with me? I said, well, I love watches like

476
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: most car guys do. But we can't be one of

477
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: those car companies that just does a horrible branded watch.

478
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 3: He said, no, no, no, no no. He said, I

479
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: have this movement. I have exclusive access to this incredible

480
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: movement where we can reimagine the chronograph to stop watch function,

481
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 3: you know, on a wristwatch to celebrate Jack Hoyer. Jack

482
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 3: Hoyer started the Hoyer Watch company in the in the

483
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Speaker 3: in the in the sixties and attached attached to Hoyer

484
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: brand to motor racing and motorsport in a very very

485
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: sexy way with the Carrera watches and the Monacos and

486
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: all those wonderful watches from the late sixties and early seventies.

487
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: He said, why don't we celebrate the finest purveyor of

488
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: the chronograph related car watches with our own watch? And

489
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: of course I might. At this point he had me

490
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: hooklide and thinker because this because this this movement was

491
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: so special that it had the stop watch. Usually on

492
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: a on a chronograph, you have that you have the

493
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Rolex Daytowna looks like a normal watch,

494
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: but it has three little sub dials inside with the

495
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: track time, hours, minutes, and seconds. He said, no, no, no,

496
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: he said, we put the actual stopwatch function in the

497
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Speaker 3: middle of the watch and make it the star of

498
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Speaker 3: the watch. And instead of putting you know, the having

499
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: the stopwatch functions as a as a peripheral, it's in

500
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Speaker 3: the center of the watch and the time of day

501
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: is on the periphery. But that you know that what

502
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: what what is front and central with our watch will

503
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: be the stop watch function. So this incredible movement that

504
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: we had access to inspired this first watch of ours,

505
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: called the Track One, and after that it's Mark. Marco

506
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: has just been running with this idea of of of

507
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: of presenting classic high high watch making with through the

508
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: lens of his love of Jack Hoyer and our passion

509
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: for cars and and and we've started, you know, very

510
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: similarly how we started singing in the early days that

511
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: we were talking about we're just we're just putting our

512
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: head down. And Marco is creating some fabulous watches that

513
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: have been inspired from this first track. One watch and

514
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: we're we're on the adventure where it goes we don't know,

515
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: but we it's it's the aspirations are as high as

516
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: they could possibly be. We're using the finest suppliers in Geneva,

517
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: and the watch and the watches are really are magnificent

518
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: and and it's in Marco's hands really.

519
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: By the way, and it's and it's going quite well.

520
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: We're an audio only podcast, so you can't see unless

521
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: you google it. I recommend that you do because one

522
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: of the watches Hannah has, you know, the fuchs Felgen,

523
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: the famous Porsche wheel Sir. One of the watches has

524
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: that as the movement, which is very cool because as

525
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: it goes around, it covers up and then reveals the

526
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Singer branding, which is I think pretty sweet.

527
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Speaker 4: So clever, kind of kind of grievy that right, Yeah,

528
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: it's it's, it's it's a it's a balance for lot

529
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: the Singer.

530
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Speaker 3: Reimagine, which is the name of the of the watch company.

531
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Speaker 3: Can it have its own aura outside of Singer as

532
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: the car company. This is something that we've had many

533
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: conversations about as as as we were to talking about earlier,

534
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: or what you have to do is endure and continue

535
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: to turn up every year, and you start to become

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: part of the zeitgeist and things start to things start

537
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: to be accepted. And that is that is the hard thing,

538
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: the hardest thing for any company to do is to

539
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: stick around and constantly be there the following year, because

540
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: that is a big partn No matter how good your

541
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: idea is, no matter how how how clever you are,

542
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: is that endure endurance and endurance can is often the

543
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: hardest thing to do. And I think I think time

544
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: will tell whether whether we're going to have a fabulous

545
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: watch company that's going to be around in one hundred

546
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: years time. That's the plan. Can rob with st in

547
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: the early days of it.

548
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Can Singer maintain the same aura with a non nine

549
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: to eleven, for instance? Could we ever see like a

550
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Singer nine twenty eight or something like that, or even

551
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: something water cool like a nine ninety six. Would that

552
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: be possible to maintain the same or that you're describing.

553
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: Very very good question. We as you as you can,

554
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: as you can imagine, I mean we we we are

555
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: we have a lot of options. We're very, very blessed

556
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: and lucky to have a number of options. Put there

557
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: are a number of genuinely iconic cars in Porsche's in

558
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: Porsche's past, the opportunity too to attack and and study

559
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: them or is on our agenda. Whether what will actually

560
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: come to pass, we don't know yet. We've we've got

561
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: a few years of more nine elevens ahead of us,

562
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: and then and then, you know, what what do we

563
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: do with it? What do we do with this company

564
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: that's that's that's managed to attract this wonderful family of

565
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: folks that buy our stuff, that's become synonymous, I guess

566
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: with Porsche and quality. I think we have a lot

567
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: of options in terms of what we do next. But

568
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: whether it's other Porsche models, whether it's you know, maybe

569
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: a car of our own, I don't know's we're we're

570
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: we're looking at We're looking at all sorts of opportunities.

571
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Do you very excited by the way do you daily?

572
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: Do you daily a singer? Like? What what car do

573
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: you go to the office in? Every day?

574
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: I go to the office in a in a beaten

575
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: up nineteen ninety five, nine ninety three.

576
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: Nine ninety three.

577
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: That's my that's my daily drive.

578
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: You have all the nine sixty fours in America and

579
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: you're driving a nine nine three to work?

580
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I mean, I love that. I've had

581
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: a couple of nine six stores, but I've always loved

582
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: the nine ninety three rather rather especially because why well,

583
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: like I called, Tony Hatter, who's an English chat from Leeds,

584
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: designed it. And I've had the opportunity to meet and

585
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: become friends with Tony and and the nine ninety three

586
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: is many in many ways, there's a real work of

587
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: genius because Porsche were on their knees in the in

588
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: the late eighties and only nineteen nineties and had to

589
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: come up with yet another iteration of the air called

590
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: Porsche nine eleven. And the nine nine three was this

591
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: incredible restyling of the ninet eleven that made it feel

592
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: so fresh at the time, and it was a real

593
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: work of genius, and it's a bit of a masterpiece

594
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: of design. And for someone who loves their called Porsches

595
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: and wants to drive one daily, it's the most refined

596
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: and the most sophisticated air called Porsche nine eleven, the

597
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: Porsche ever made. So that's why I love it. I

598
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: love the look of the nine nine three, I love

599
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: how it drives, and I love the guy he designed it.

600
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Sorry, Rob, When you're when you're driving your nine nine

601
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: three to work, if you're on a long commute, stuck

602
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: in traffic or whatever, what do you listen to? What

603
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: do you what music are you into?

604
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: Now? Well, I was about to say what. I'm stuck

605
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: on the four h five at Los Angeles in the

606
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: nine ninety three, raging gear every three seconds to edge

607
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: my way through traffic. I wish I was in my

608
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: wife's electric Mecan because you stick it on, you stick

609
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: it on cruise radar control, cruise control, and all you've

610
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: got to do is steer. But one of my listeners,

611
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: but that's that's what I'm wishing I was in, which

612
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: is a fantastic car. By the way, I listened to

613
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: eighty eight point five, a fabulous radio station here in

614
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: Los Angeles that that that plays a wonderfully eclectic bunch

615
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 3: of music. And I listen to the stuff I find

616
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: myself gravitating to the stuff I would have gravitated to

617
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: twenty five thirty years ago when I started my band,

618
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: which is generally you know, challenging edgy rock music. I

619
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: love a bank called of Fontane's DC. I love. I

620
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: love a bank called idols I love. I love a

621
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of a lot of a lot

622
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: of the new singer songwriters. I just I just love

623
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 3: a great song. I'm a sucker for dare I say

624
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: an old fashioned proper song.

625
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: I love it.

626
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm always a socker for some lamp guitars as well.

627
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: We can get behind that for sure.

628
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: Here's here's the part where I'm taking notes. Dude, It's

629
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: been so great to have you with us, and I

630
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. Okay, I wrote down those bands,

631
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: the Fontaneous DC.

632
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: I've heard of none of those bands. But I didn't

633
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: write down the bands, but I actually wrote down the

634
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: radio station eighty eight point five eight.

635
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: You know what in LA I wonder if that's because

636
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: he has He says a beat up nine to nine

637
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: to three, which respect first of all, for sure, and

638
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: then he has to shift when he's in traffic. But

639
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: I guess they don't have serious because it's.

640
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: No the court. I mean, yeah, we're on the analog dial. Yeah,

641
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: whatever it's called.

642
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm a serious addict. So that's something I would have

643
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: a problem with in older cars.

644
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: Oh, Serious the satellite. I was like Serious XM, serious

645
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: addict of what? But yeah, Serious FM?

646
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean I listened like I listened to

647
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: hours of Serious XM.

648
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Every day, stern guy.

649
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: No.

650
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: I listened to Bloomberg Radio a lot. So that's channel

651
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: one twenty one on Serious XM. I listened to the

652
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: Dead on Serious XM. They have a dedicated channel, channel

653
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 2: twenty three. Sometimes I listen to Fish on channel twenty nine. Now.

654
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 1: Doesn't the frequency of that audio bother you? Though?

655
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: No?

656
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: It always sounds so weird to me in general, like.

657
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Not as good as FM. I mean, yes, you're right

658
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: it is.

659
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm surprised it doesn't bother you because you're such an

660
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: audio guy.

661
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had good experiences and bad experiences, and

662
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: usually they're somewhere in the middle. But I'm just happy

663
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: to listen to music and like NonStop. There's a channel

664
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: on Serious XM seven six seven, which you can't get

665
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: in all cars, Like a lot of cars are capped.

666
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: You can't go high any higher than three hundred on

667
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: sious or something. But if you can, if you're lucky

668
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: enough to get a car, that's fully equipped with all

669
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: the serious channels. You can get Rombone, which is like

670
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: a Cuban mambo station. Yes, it's NonStop Cuban mambo music.

671
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Love and it's amazing.

672
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: What is it called rombone? Yes, the rombone? Okay, I

673
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: love it. Oh, I gotta look that up. That's very cool.

674
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: What have you been up to you? Obviously you bought

675
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: a new car we talked about, but you hadn't last

676
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: time we talked. Really gotten to shake it down yourself.

677
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Well the shakedown has happened. Not everything

678
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: seems to be functioning, but we're still going to give

679
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: it sort of a workthrough. We're sending it to Charlie

680
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: who looks after the cars.

681
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: What's his name, agarol.

682
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Agapoo Agapoo Charles Agapoo, a British fellow who really he's iconic.

683
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: He's in his eighties now, but he is. Anyone who

684
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: has a Rolls Royce in the LA area probably knows

685
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: him or knows of him. He is really lovely or Bentley.

686
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: Matt Farrow sent his s Bentley, Yeah.

687
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: To get very well respected, honest and good at what

688
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: he does. So we are going to just take it

689
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: take it through. But the funny thing is he we

690
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: called him last week and he was busy, so we

691
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: have we're on a waiting list, so you know, maybe

692
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: next week we'll get the current. But so, I mean,

693
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: so far, so good. There have been no issues, you know,

694
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: knock on wood, and honestly, the other ones that we

695
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: have have all broken down around the first drive. So

696
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: we're already ahead on this one.

697
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: That's good.

698
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling Yeah, I'm feeling lucky. Haven't bought a

699
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: lottery ticket, but feel that's lucky.

700
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: That's very cool. I I didn't actually pick up my

701
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: motorcycle last weekend because my flight was delayed, delayed, delayed, delay, delayed,

702
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: and then canceled. Yeah, it was hellish.

703
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry. What a huge bummer.

704
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, maybe destiny saved me from something that

705
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: would have been worse.

706
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: Could have been a sliding door scenario. Yeah, you did

707
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: not get on the plane, and your life is different now.

708
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm also more prepared now. I've got a

709
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: seat and a sissy bar and like all these things

710
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: that I need.

711
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

712
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: Before So you're going next week, I'm going on Saturday, Yes.

713
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Okay, are you Are you flying?

714
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: No, I will never fly again to Washington, DC or

715
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: to Boston. I will take the train from now on.

716
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And the train ride is.

717
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: It's like four or five hours. It's five hours to Fredericksburg, Virginia,

718
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: where I have to go. But the thing about trains

719
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: is they don't get canceled as much. Right, if it's

720
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: a light drizzle, then all American flights are grounded. But

721
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: if if it's if it's a thunderstorm, a train will

722
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: just barrel through that.

723
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm I don't think I can fly

724
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: into Newark for the foreseeable future.

725
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I ever want to.

726
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Again, honestly, And it's just such it's not a great time.

727
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you what carrier push you

728
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: back only to cancel your flight, and then I realized

729
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: it kind of doesn't matter. It could have been any anyone.

730
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: They're all equally horrible. I mean, since my childhood, American

731
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: air travel has just gotten worse and worse and worse,

732
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: and it's now one of the worst experiences you can probably.

733
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I drove this weekend. I drove to Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

734
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: What did you drive?

735
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: Which is like a four hour drive and back. Remember

736
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 2: when we got that email and who was it about.

737
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: It was like Dan or don.

738
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Yes it was donn of Olm. Yeah it was done.

739
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: So Donna emailed. He was like, dude, you should drive

740
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: an electric car on a longer trip. He said to Ohio.

741
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: I don't have to go to Ohio right now, but

742
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: I had to go to Carlisle, which, by the way,

743
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: such a cool town. Did not expect that. I went

744
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: for Dickinson College graduation, my nephew graduated, and I drove

745
00:40:52,920 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: a Chevy Blazer. Ev Now, once again I have practically

746
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: fallen in love with an electric car.

747
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: This is wild.

748
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: It's get it's getting crazy. But this one I didn't expect.

749
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: It's a total sleeper, right and if you look at it,

750
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: it's nothing to behold. It just looks like.

751
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: They made an electric Blazer.

752
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: It just looks like a big station wagon, which it is,

753
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, right now, the exterior design is

754
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: just ooh eh, gross, I don't even get that. I

755
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: don't notice it. I walked by my driveway and I

756
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: just don't even notice it.

757
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: Is well, that's not good either, But this doesn't look

758
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm imagining the Blazers from the eighties. Yeah no, it's

759
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: not what I'm so disappointed.

760
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's it is hugely disappointed. If you're thinking

761
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: about a regular Blazer and from the outside it's basically disappointing.

762
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: It's like, what, oh, no, this is terrible.

763
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Yes, however, step inside this, you know, uh oh, what's

764
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for. It's it's a surprisingly luxurious

765
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: interior and mine, yes, mine is lined in red leather.

766
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: It's just really cool carbon fiber accents and like amazing,

767
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: like sort of like the Camaro design on the interior.

768
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: The entertainment system or the infotainment system General Motors has perfected.

769
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, they don't you don't get

770
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: Apple CarPlay anymore because it's a whole Google based system.

771
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: But you don't need it. You don't notice that, you don't,

772
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: you don't miss it. It's perfect. And this thing is

773
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: for sixty thousand dollars. It's got so much leg room.

774
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: I put my seats all the way back and then

775
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: I put two gigantic rear facing car seats in the

776
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: back and I still have room to spare. It's got

777
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: six hundred and nineteen horse power it's only got.

778
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: Do you feel that, yes, does it actually really feel

779
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: like that?

780
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: It feels like when I was a kid, I went

781
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: to university in Germany and we always marveled at these

782
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: giant Mercedes Benz station wagons on the Autobahn that were

783
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: just flying by like two forty They're long, they're big,

784
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: they're heavy, and they're just autobond cruising machines just flying. Yeah,

785
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: we would say that's a sleeper, like cause you don't

786
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: the police are not going to pull you over, but

787
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: you're definitely speeding. And that is the case with this

788
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: vehicle as well. I mean it just hauls ass.

789
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: Now what's the range? And did you have to charge it?

790
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: How did that all work out? So so before I

791
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: went to Carlisle, I did have to charge it, and

792
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: it took like forty five minutes to an hour and

793
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: it costs fifty bucks. Again, so that is it's it's weird.

794
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: But when I put in the directions to Carlisle, without

795
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: even noticing, the navigation system automatically added a GM like

796
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: supercharger stop, which was great. And at the GM supercharger

797
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: I charged from twenty to eighty percent in like literally

798
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: twelve minutes.

799
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: Was the stop out of your way or what?

800
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: No, it was directly on the way. Now, I may

801
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: have gotten lucky in where I was driving, but then

802
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: I get to Carlisle and I've used most of the range.

803
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: At the hotel, they had a charge point, you know,

804
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: not a fast charger, but just a regular thing. I

805
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: logged on super easy with the app, went into the hotel, slept,

806
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: came back in the morning. It was done nine dollars

807
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: and filled it completely up and it just was easy.

808
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: So now I understand when people are like, look, if

809
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: you have a charger at your house and you can

810
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: put these charge point things at your house, then it's

811
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: no big deal totally.

812
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: I mean that's how it was in Vegas at the

813
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: wind We just we drove the car all day and

814
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: we gave it to the guys and they charged it overnight.

815
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah with you know, and it was fine. So had

816
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: a big deal.

817
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

818
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: So basically, so you love it, like you you were

819
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: using the L word.

820
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: Well on this I love it when i'm inside it

821
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: because I'm driving so fast in this thing. It's so powerful,

822
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: it's so luxurious, it's spacious, and I'm you know, six

823
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: foot three two hundred pounds, so I'm a big dude,

824
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: and I get rom Bone. It gets channel seven to

825
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: sixty seven on Serious XM, which is super important to me.

826
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: And it's just everything works intuitively and easily, and it's

827
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: just and for sixty three thousand dollars, so that could.

828
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: Be the appliance car that you keep along with your

829
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: fun car.

830
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wish it was better looking. And

831
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: by the way, this is a thing with GM because

832
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: they also make so the Cadillac CT five V Black

833
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: Wing is one of I think the greatest cars you

834
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: can buy today. I love that it has a super

835
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: charge six point two liters V eight, it has a

836
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: stick shift, you know, and it's a four seater and

837
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: like also luxurious and intuitive and interior amazing. Doesn't look

838
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: that great?

839
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Uh No, I've never thought any GM car looks It's like.

840
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: They're hitting it out of that when it comes to performance,

841
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: they're hitting it out of the park. When it comes

842
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: to design, interior design, they're hitting it out of the park.

843
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: When it comes to the tech. Yeah, but the exterior

844
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: is just like yeah.

845
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: It really, It's true. And I don't know why. All

846
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: I know is I'm googling Chevy Blazer nineteen eighties and

847
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: thinking why can't we all have this? I know because

848
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: I got the minute I realized when you said you

849
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: fell in love with the electric Chevy Blazer. I thought

850
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Chevy did the thing that Mercedes did with the g Wagon,

851
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: which is keep the icon the same, just swap out

852
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: whatever you're using to power it, and all good. And

853
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: that did not happen here.

854
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: No, I don't really shook.

856
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: I don't know who the designer is, but but yeah,

857
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: so that's my most reason. By the way, I want

858
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: to read an email from somebody that we got just

859
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: in its entirety because I'm not gonna name the guy.

860
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: He hasn't given me a permission to use.

861
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: His full name, but his initials are og Og. Okay,

862
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: I think it's cool.

863
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: Yes, dear mattin Hannah, I hope you're doing great. My

864
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: name is OG. I listen to your podcast every week

865
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: in Berlin in the mornings before heading to the office,

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Speaker 2: I go to the gym and listen to the different

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg podcasts, but yours in particular. It makes my Monday

868
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Speaker 2: routines much more bearable. Thank you for that, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thank him for sure dude, that's so nice to hear.

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Speaker 2: He says, I found something hilarious I had to share

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Speaker 2: with you. Matt mentioned the last episode that he bought

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Speaker 2: a Harley Davidson while his wife was abroad. I believe that,

873
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Speaker 2: by the way, may not have been a great decision.

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Speaker 2: My wife was pretty angry with me. I don't recommend

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Speaker 2: other husbands do that. But he goes on, now I

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Speaker 2: have some backup show my girlfriend. I'm not the only

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Speaker 2: one haha. While she was out of Germany for a

878
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Speaker 2: couple weeks in late April, I couldn't help it and

879
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: ended up buying a night'ster. He includes a picture. It

880
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: looks awesome. Her fault for leaving this petrol head alone.

881
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Speaker 2: I completely understand what you mean, Matt. Harley Davidson can't

882
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: be replaced, regardless of the market. As a business person myself,

883
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: it's all about branding and super nice email. I totally agree.

884
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: And there's something weird about the Harley Davidson brand, Like,

885
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Speaker 2: once you get into it, you're really kind of obsessed

886
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Speaker 2: with it. But I'm not like a one percenter motorcycle

887
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: gang guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, contain multitudes, you really do.

889
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go, you know, doing any Hell's Angels stuff.

890
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Speaker 1: You have many dimensions.

891
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't revere the Hell's Angels or at least no,

892
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: you're not obsessed. I don't know. It's just something weird

893
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: about this brand that you really get into. But og

894
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Speaker 2: thank you for your email.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.

896
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Speaker 2: By the way, our email address is hot Pursuit at

897
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot net. Please write to us.

898
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, send us pictures. List all the all the cars and.

899
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Bikes that you could definitely send pictures.

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00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: Send us, Send us ideas for people who you want

901
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: us to interview. You love all your thoughts.

902
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: What do you got going on next?

903
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: Him?

904
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Speaker 1: Guess what? I'm going to to Loom next week. I'm

905
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Speaker 1: going on a girls trip, which I never do. But sweet,

906
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: I know I'm excited. Let me just tell you. I

907
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: am excited.

908
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: Just the ladies into Loom. Yeah, going to get into

909
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: some tequila.

910
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: Well, who knows who I might get my chakras cleansed.

911
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: You know, I might go to a hut in the

912
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: jungle and see what happens.

913
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 2: You guys might have a little too much to drink

914
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: and all go get matching tattoo.

915
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. I will report back. Should be great.

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00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: What about you, sweet, I am just about to go

917
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Speaker 2: pick up the M five, which you have already driven.

918
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: The BMW M five I mean solid, yeah, right, very

919
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: much looking forward to it.

920
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah cool.

921
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'm gonna love it as much

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Speaker 2: as the M eight.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. It's a V eight, right, it.

924
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Is like a hybrid V eight right.

925
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: It's oh so that'll be interesting for you to get

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Speaker 1: back into something with some form of combustion. Because these

927
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: last few weeks you've been on the EV train, I feel.

928
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Speaker 2: It's been pretty crazy. Even Rob Dickinson was just saying

929
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Speaker 2: how much he loved the Porchia macn ev.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to ask. I wanted to ask him if

931
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Speaker 1: singer would ever do an electric singer.

932
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Speaker 2: The thing is, though, there's still there's still no soul.

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Speaker 2: None of the evs I've driven have felt like they

934
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Speaker 2: have a soul all else. They're all appliances, luxurious.

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Speaker 1: And fact usable. Yeah yeah, yeah, but but it's it's

936
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Speaker 1: just different.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got one yet where I think like, this

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Speaker 2: is a vehicle I will keep in my possession until

939
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Speaker 2: my daughter, you know, turns thirty and then I give

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Speaker 2: it to her to keep for her son, her daughter.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's not that's a really good reference point. I

942
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Speaker 1: haven't thought about that. But no, I mean those are

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Speaker 1: those are more vehicles that you might lease for a

944
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Speaker 1: year or two and then, like.

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Speaker 2: Your rolls Royce, you could probably imagine hanging on to

946
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Speaker 2: it until you someday pass it on to Will.

947
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Speaker 1: I mean somebody asked, Actually it might have been our

948
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: buddy Steve Sario. He said, oh, are you going to

949
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Speaker 1: get rid of the other one? Since you just got

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Speaker 1: this new And I was like, what, you know, how

951
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: dare you suggest that I would get rid of you

952
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Speaker 1: know which? Again, this is we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: space here. These aren't expensive cars, et cetera, et cetera.

954
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: You've got three, the thought we've got a few? Would

955
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Speaker 1: you just I don't want to put a number. I

956
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Speaker 1: don't want to put a label on it.

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Speaker 2: Matt, would you? Would you not? Have you not considered

958
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Speaker 2: getting rid of like one? Because you just have?

959
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: I certainly have considered getting rid of other cars? Sure

960
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: if you want to buy one, well, I'm just we

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Speaker 1: can we can talk. I'm just thinking, Yeah, you're sitting

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Speaker 1: in a lot of metal. Yeah, I would like I

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00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: would like to sell some, and you've got to move

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Speaker 1: them around.

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Speaker 2: You got out the oil, you got to like do

966
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Speaker 2: all this thing.

967
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Speaker 1: Don't even have the hard part.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: Fortunately for me, my husband does that heavy lifting. And

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Speaker 1: I have no shame about saying that. He really he

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Speaker 1: does the heavy lifting. I just get to, you know, dabble,

972
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Speaker 1: dabble in and out when I want to. Except for

973
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Speaker 1: there is I do have two that are own. Well,

974
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not scratch that. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to incriminate myself.

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Speaker 2: Wait where are you going with that? Two that are

977
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Speaker 2: what on the chopping blog.

978
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I have there? Look, there are some that I would sell.

979
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Speaker 1: We can have that conversation, you know, offline if you want.

980
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: But there are some that I would not sell. And

981
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Speaker 1: and to your point, none of those are electric vehicles.

982
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Speaker 1: We'll keep it there for now.

983
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's leave it there until next week.

984
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Speaker 2: What do we have next week? We have anything? Do something?

985
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: Toto next week?

986
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Speaker 1: No, but Toto is coming up. Toto is in June.

987
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Speaker 1: I believe June sixteenth. We've got total coming out?

988
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Speaker 2: Wait is Monaco next week?

989
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: Is?

990
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: Yes? It's this week?

991
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Speaker 2: Is this?

992
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this weekend.

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00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 2: That's good for them, right, because great for them. They're

994
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: good at qualifying and nobody passes anybody there.

995
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's basically their home race because they

996
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Speaker 1: all live in Monaco. We should say. I just just

997
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: today published a piece on the market for F one

998
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: memorabilia which is going through the roof and for instance,

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00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: R M. Soetherby's just sold a Senna helmet for almost

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Speaker 1: a million dollars, and at the race in Monaco will

1001
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Speaker 1: be selling Michael Schumacher's F two thousand and one Ferrari

1002
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: car that he raced to win the Monaco Grand Prix

1003
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Speaker 1: and the World Championship that year in the same season,

1004
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Speaker 1: which was two thousand and one. So that's all happening

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Speaker 1: this weekend. And I do recommend, I'll say i'll boost

1006
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: our own stories. Do read that story because it's crazy

1007
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: the prices some of these things are getting, and even

1008
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: silly things like you know visors, I mean advisors aren't silly,

1009
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: but you know, lesser things. It's not just helmets and cars, I.

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00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: Mean helmet, A helmet for a million dollars is pretty silly.

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: I Revere and Senna, but I think a million dollars

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00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 2: for Now on the other hand, this car, the Shumi

1013
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: Ferrari for two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh my, that's what that is. The and they're

1015
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: saying an estimated fifteen million euros or more easily. Yeah,

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: so you know Hamilton had a car sell in two

1017
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three for I think eighteen point eight or

1018
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: so million. Then this CAP's that, because so I would

1019
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: think this would beat that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, for sure.

1021
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Speaker 1: Soccer.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's also like this is like the iconic era.

1023
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Speaker 2: This is right, this is when F one was really amazing.

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Speaker 1: Sound and never getting that back, super exciting. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be a really big deal this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna be anywhere this weekend, you should.

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Speaker 1: We should. We should be in Monaco.

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00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Yeah, I don't know. They've done

1029
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Speaker 2: for my life, I know. All right, Well, it was

1030
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Speaker 2: great talking to you and Rob. Thank you so much,

1031
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: and do shoot us an email hot pursuit at Bloomberg

1032
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: dot net because we love you.

1033
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

1034
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: Well, we don't necessarily know if we love them, but.

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Speaker 1: Philosophically we do a lot of our fellow our fellow humans.

1036
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, Yes, all right, have a

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Speaker 2: good one. I'm Matt Miller and I'm

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Speaker 1: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.