1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media book Club, book Club, book Club, Boo Club. 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm a good singer. Hi. This is Margare Kiljoy and 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: you are listening to Cool Zone Media book Club, the 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: only book club that you don't have to do the 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: reading for because I do the reading for you. And 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: this week I'm going to keep reading you Tolstoy, because 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm on a kick where I want to read you 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the stories from old revolutionaries, and Tolstoy is one of 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: the ones who actually knows how to write. I've got 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: two stories for you that you might like, then, I 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: feel like, are kind of interesting ways to write radical fiction. 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: The first one is called The Two Brothers and the Gold, 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like this story more than anything else, 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: is like, Yeah, tot is kind of seen as the 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: founder of Christian anarchism, and I cannot imagine a story 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: that more directly presents Christian anti capitalism than this particular story, 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: The Two Brothers and the Gold. Once upon a time, 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: in the days long since gone by, there dwelt at 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Jerusalem two brothers. The name of the elder was Athensius, 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: the name of the younger John. They dwelt on a 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: hill not far from the town, and lived upon what 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: people gave to them. Every day the brothers went out 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: to work. They worked not for themselves, but for the poor. 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Wherever the over worked the sick were to be found, 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: wherever there were widows and orphans, Thither went the brothers, 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: and there they worked and spent their time, taking no payment. 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Thus the brothers went about separately the whole week, and 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: only met together in the evening of the Zabbath at 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: their own dwelling. Only on Sunday did they remain at home, 30 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: praying and conversing together, and the Angel of the Lord 31 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: came down to them and blessed them. On the Monday, 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: they separated again, each going his own way. Thus did 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: the brothers live for many years, and every week the 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: Angel of the Lord came down to them and blessed them. 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: One Monday, when the brothers had gone forth to work 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: and had parted their several ways, the elder brother, Ephensius 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: felt sorry at having had to part from his beloved brother, 38 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and he stood still and glanced after him. John was 39 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: walking with his bent head, and he did not look back. 40 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: But suddenly John also stopped, as if he perceived something, 41 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: and continued to gaze fixedly at it. Presently he drew 42 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: near to that which he had been looking upon, and 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: then suddenly leapt aside, and, not stopping for another instant, 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: ran towards the mountain and up the mountain, right away 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: from the place, just as if some savage beast were 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: suing him. Athensius was astonished and turned back to the 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: place to find out what his brother had been so 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: afraid of. At last he approached the spot, and then 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: he saw something glistening in the sun. He drew nearer. 50 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: On the grass, as if poured out from a measure, 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: lay a heap of gold. And Athensius was still more astonished, 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: both at the sight of the gold and at the 53 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: leaping aside of his brother. What was he afraid of? 54 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: What did he run away from? Thought Athensius, there is 55 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: no sin in gold. Sin is in man. You may 56 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: do ill with gold, but you may also do good. 57 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: How many widows and orphans might not be fed therewith, 58 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: how many naked ones might not be clothed, How many 59 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: poor and sick might not be cared for and cured 60 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: by means of this gold. No, indeed, we minister to people, 61 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: but our ministration is but little, because our power is 62 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: so small, and with this gold we might minister to 63 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: people much more than we do now, thus thought Ethhensius, 64 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and would have said so to his brother, But John 65 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: was by this time out of hearing, and looked no 66 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: bigger than a cockschafer on the farther mountain. And Ethhensius 67 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: took off his garment, shoveled as much gold into it 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: as he was able to carry, threw it over his shoulder, 69 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: and went into the town. He went to an inn, 70 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: gave the gold to the innkeeper, and then went off 71 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: to fetch the rest of it. And when he had 72 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: brought in all the gold, he went to the merchants, 73 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: bought land in that town, bought stones, wood, hired laborers, 74 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: and set about building three houses. And Ethensius abode in 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: the town three months and built the three houses in 76 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: that town. One of the houses was an asylum for 77 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: widows and orphans, the second house was a hospital for 78 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: the sick, and the third house was a hospice for 79 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the poor and the pilgrims. And Ethhensius sought him out 80 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: three god fearing elders, and the first elder he placed 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: over the refuge, the second over the hospital, and the 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: third over the hospice for pilgrims, and Athensius had three 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: thousand gold pieces still left, and he gave a thousand 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: to each of the elders that they might have wherewith 85 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: to distribute among the poor. And all three houses began 86 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: to be filled with people, and the people began to 87 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: praise Ofthensius for all that he had done, and Ethensius 88 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: rejoiced thereat, so that he had no desire to depart 89 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: from the town. But Ethhensius loved his brother, and taking 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: leave of the people, and not keeping for himself a 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: single coin of all this money, he went back to 92 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: his dwelling in the self same old garment in which 93 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: he had come to town. Othensius was drawing nearer to 94 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: his mountain, and he thought to himself, my brother judged 95 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: wrongly when he leapt aside from the gold and ran 96 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: away from it. Haven't I done much better? And Ethensius 97 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: had no sooner thought this than suddenly he beheld standing 98 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: in his path the angel, who had been sent to 99 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: bless him, but now looked threateningly upon him. And Athensius 100 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: was aghast and could only say, wherefore, my lord? And 101 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: the angel opened his mouth and said, thou art not 102 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: worthy to dwell with thy brother, that one leap aside 103 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: of thy brothers was worth more than all thou hast 104 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: done with thy gold. Athensius began to talk of how 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: many poor and how many pilgrims he had fed, of 106 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: how many orphans he had cared for, And the Angel 107 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: said to him that same devil who placed the gold 108 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: there in order to corrupt thee hath also put these 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: big words into thy mouth. And then the conscience of 110 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: Althensius upbraided him, and he understood what he had done 111 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: was not for God, and he wept and began to repent. 112 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: Then the angel stepped aside from the road and left 113 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: free for him in which John was already standing awaiting 114 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: his brother. And from thenceforth Offensius yielded no more to 115 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: the wiles of the devil which strewn the gold in 116 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: his path. And he understood that not by gold, but 117 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: by good works only could he render service to God. 118 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: And his fellow man and the brethren dwelt together as 119 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: before and like I read this, and I mean, I'm 120 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: not on the same page theologically as Tolstoy. I never 121 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: thought I was. It's just so interesting to me because 122 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know, he might have done 123 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: better by like setting up all those you know, charities 124 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, or maybe there's other things he could have 125 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: done with it instead. But this is internally consistent, and 126 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: it is interesting to think about how You're like, well, 127 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: you can create these institutions and try to have them 128 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: be good, and very often when we create institutions, they 129 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: do not do good. I would actually like to claim 130 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: that the Catholic Church is a prime example of this. 131 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: And you can argue with me or believe whatever you 132 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: want about this, but the idea of creating these institutions, 133 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, power corrupts and Authentsius wasn't corrupted. He kept 134 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: nothing for himself. But if you look at the history 135 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: of the church, you see this, you know, thing that 136 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: theoretically was probably created for what felt like charitable purposes 137 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and has done a lot of really destructive things by 138 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: means of institutional power. And so perhaps setting up these things, 139 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's probably not what the story is 140 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: really about. It probably is just literally about gold and 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: that just trying to be good is more important. But 142 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I also think it's important to try and 143 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: do good at scale and just do it in a 144 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: way where like maybe the problem is those just him 145 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: deciding exactly what it's got to be done with the gold, 146 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: whether he takes some for himself or not. I don't know. 147 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: Maybe I have all these opinions because this podcast is 148 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: brought to you by ads and that feels out of 149 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: character to what we just read. But here they are 150 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, I have a second story for you. 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: It's also by Tolstoi. I didn't introduce him last time. 152 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Leo Tolstoi was a nineteenth century Russian author, one of 153 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: the most famous authors in literature history, and he wrote 154 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: War and Piece, I guess most famously, and he wrote 155 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot of stories, and he's seen as the the 156 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: sort of father of Christian anarchism. And yeah, he has 157 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: like good quotes about like the anarchists are right and 158 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: everything except the idea that bombs are how you bring 159 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: about good things. I'm not only paraphrasing, I'm just repeating 160 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: from memory badly. This story is called the Coffeehouse of 161 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: Sarat and warning for outdated language. And you know whatever, 162 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm reading a story from the nineteenth century is not 163 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the way that I would recommend people write about certain 164 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: ideas now, But y'all can understand that in the town 165 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: of Sarat in India, there was a coffee house where 166 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: many travelers and foreigners from all parts of the world 167 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: met and conversed. One day, a learned Persian theologian visited 168 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: this coffee house. He was a man who had spent 169 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: his life studying the nature of deity and reading and 170 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: writing books on the subject. He had thought, read and 171 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: written so much about God that eventually he lost his wits, 172 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: became quite confused, and ceased even to believe in the 173 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: existence of a God. The Shah, hearing of this, had 174 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: banished him from Persia. After having argued all his life 175 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: about the first cause, this unfortunate theologian had ended by 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: quite perplexing himself, and instead of understanding that he had 177 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: lost his own reason, he began to think there was 178 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: no higher reason controlling the universe. This man had an 179 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: African slave who followed him everywhere. When the theologian entered 180 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: the coffee house, the slave remained outside near the door, 181 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: sitting on a stone in the glare of the sun 182 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: and driving away the flies that buzzed around him. The Persian, 183 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: having settled down on a divan in the coffee house, 184 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: ordered himself a cup of opium. When he had drunk it, 185 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and the opium had begun to quicken the workings of 186 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: his brain, he addressed his slave through the open door, 187 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: Tell me, wretched, slave, said he. Do you think there 188 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: is a god or not? Of course there is, said 189 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: the slave, and immediately drew from under his girdle a 190 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: small idol of wood. There, said he. That is the 191 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: God who has guarded me from the day of my birth. 192 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Everyone in our country worships the fetish tree, from the 193 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: wood of which this God was made. This conversation between 194 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: the theologian and his slave was listened to with surprise 195 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: by the other guests in the coffee house. They were 196 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: astonished at the master's question, and yet more so at 197 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: the slave's reply. One of them, a Brahmin, on hearing 198 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: the words spoken by the slave, turned to him and said, miserable, fool, 199 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: is it possible that you believe God can be carried 200 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: under a man's girdle. There is only one God, Brahma, 201 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: and he is greater than the whole world, for he 202 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: created it. Brahma is the one, the mighty God, and 203 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: in his honor are built the temples on the Ganges 204 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: banks where his true priests, the Brahmans, worship him. They 205 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: know the True God, and none but they. A thousand 206 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: score of years have passed, and yet through revolution after revolution, 207 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: these priests have held their sway because Brahma, the One 208 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: True God, has protected them. So I spoke the Brahman, 209 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: thinking to convince everyone. But a Jewish broker who is present, 210 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: replied to him and said, no, the temple of the 211 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: True God is not in India. Neither does God protect 212 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: the Brahman cats. The True God is not the God 213 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: of the Brahmins, but of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. None 214 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: does he protect but his chosen people, the Israelites. From 215 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: the commencement of the world, our nation has been beloved 216 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: of Him and ours alone. If we are now scattered 217 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: over the whole earth, it is but to try us. 218 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: For God has promised that he will one day gather 219 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: his people together in Jerusalem. Then, with the Temple of 220 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: Jerusalem the wonder of the ancient world restored to its splendor, 221 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: shall Israel be established a ruler over all nations. So 222 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: spoke the jew and burst into tears. He wished to 223 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: say more. But an Italian missionary who was there interrupted him. 224 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: What you are saying is untrue, he said to the 225 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: jew you attribute injustice to God. He cannot love your 226 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: nation above the rest. Nay, Rather, even if it be 227 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: true that of old he favored the Israelites, it is 228 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: now nineteen hundred years since they angered him and caused 229 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: him to destroy their nation and scatter them over the earth, 230 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: so that the faith makes no converts and has died 231 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: out except here and there. God shows preference to no nation, 232 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: but calls all who wish to be saved to the 233 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: bosom of the Catholic Church of Rome, the one outside 234 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: whose borders no salvation can be found, so spoke the Italian. 235 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: But a Protestant minister, who happened to be present, growing pale, 236 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: turned to the Catholic missionary and exclaimed, how can you 237 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: say that salvation belongs to your religion? Those only will 238 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: be saved who serve God according to the Gospel, in 239 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: spirit and in truth, as bidden by the Word of Christ. 240 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: Then a turk An office holder in the custom house 241 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: at Surat, who was sitting in the coffee house smoking 242 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: a pipe, turned with an air of superiority to both 243 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: the Christians. Your belief in the Roman religion is vain, 244 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: said he. It was superseded twelve hundred years ago by 245 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: the true faith, that of Mohammed. You cannot but observe 246 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: how the true Mohammedan faith continues to spread, both in 247 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Europe and Asia, and even the enlightened country of China. 248 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: You say yourselves that God has rejected the Jews, and 249 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: as proof you quote the fact that the Jews are 250 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: humiliated and their faith does not spread. Confess, then the 251 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: truth of Mohammedism, for it is triumphant and spreads far 252 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: and wide. None will be saved but the followers of Mohammed, 253 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: God's last prophet, and of them only the followers of Omar, 254 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: and not of Ali, for the latter are false to 255 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: the faith. To this, the Persian theologian, who was of 256 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: the sect of Ali, wished to reply, But by this 257 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: time a great dispute had arisen among all the strangers 258 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: of different faiths and creeds. Present. There were Abyssian Christians, 259 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Lamas from tibet Ismailians and fire worshipers. They all argued 260 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: about the nature of God and how He should be worshiped. 261 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: Each of them asserted that in his country alone was 262 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: the true God known and rightly worshiped. Everyone argued and shouted, 263 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: except a chinaman, a student of Confucius, quietly in one 264 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: corner of the coffee house, not joining the dispute. He 265 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: sat there, drinking tea and listening to what the others said, 266 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: but did not speak himself. The Turk noticed him sitting 267 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: there and appealed to him, saying, you can confirm what 268 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I say, my good chinaman, But if you spoke, I 269 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: know you would uphold my opinion. Traitors from your country 270 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: who come to me for assistance, tell me that though 271 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: many religions have been introduced into China, you Chinese consider 272 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: Mohammedism the best of all and adopt it. Willingly confirm then, 273 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: my words, and tell us your opinion of the One 274 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: True God and his prophet. Yes, yes, said the rest, 275 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: turning to the Chinaman. Let us hear what you think 276 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: of the subject. The Chinaman, the student of Confucius, closed 277 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: his eyes and thought, awhile. Then he opened them again, and, 278 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: drawing his hands out of the wide sleeves of his garment, 279 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: folding them on his breast, he spoke as follows, in 280 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: a calm and quiet voice. Maybe the One True God 281 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: his ads. That's not what he said. That's what I said. 282 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: That's not part of the story. It's just ads, and 283 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: we're back. He spoke as follows, in a calm and 284 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: quiet voice, Sirs. It seems to me that it is 285 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: chiefly pride that prevents men agreeing from one another on 286 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: matters of faith. If you care to listen to me, 287 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: I will tell you a story which we'll explain this 288 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: by an example. I came here from China on an 289 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: English steamer which had been round the world. We stopped 290 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: for fresh water and landed on the east coast of 291 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: the island of Sumetra. It was midday, and some of us, 292 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: having landed, sat in the shade of some coconut palms 293 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: by the seashore, not far from a native village. We 294 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: were a party of men of different nationalities. As we 295 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: sat there, a blind man approached us. We learned afterwards 296 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: that he had gone blind from gay too long and 297 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: too persistently at the sun, trying to find out what 298 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: it is in order to seize its light. He strove 299 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: a long time to accomplish this, constantly looking at the sun, 300 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: but the only result was that his eyes were injured 301 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: by its brightness, and he became blind. Then he said 302 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: to himself, the light of the sun is not a liquid, 303 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: for if it were a liquid, it would be possible 304 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: to pour it from one vessel into another, and it 305 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: would be moved like water by the wind. Neither is 306 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: it fire, for if it were fire, water would extinguish it. 307 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Neither is light a spirit, for it is seen by 308 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: the eye. Nor is it matter, for it cannot be moved. Therefore, 309 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: as the light of the sun is neither liquid, nor fire, 310 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: nor spirit nor matter, it is nothing, so he argued, 311 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: And as a result of always looking at the sun 312 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: and always thinking about it, he lost both his sight 313 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: and his reason, and when he went quite blind, he 314 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: became fully convinced that the sun did not exist. With 315 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: this blind man came a slave who, after placing his 316 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: master in the shade of a cocoanut tree, picked up 317 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: a cocoanut from the ground and began making it into 318 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: a night light. He twisted a wick from the fiber 319 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: of the cocoanut, squeezed oil from the nut into the shell, 320 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: and soaked the wick in it. And as the slave 321 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: sat doing this, the blind man sighed and said to him, well, slave, 322 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: was I not right when I told you there is 323 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: no sun? Do you not see how dark it is? Yet? 324 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: People say there is a sun. But if so, what 325 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: is it. I do not know what the sun is, 326 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: said the slave. That is no business of mine. But 327 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: I know what light is here. I have made a 328 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: night light, by the help of which I can serve 329 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: you and find anything I want in the hut. And 330 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: the slave picked up the cocoanut shell, saying, this is 331 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: my son. A lame man with crutches, who was sitting 332 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: near by, heard these words and laughed. You have evidently 333 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: been blind all your life, he said, to the blind man, 334 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: not to know what the sun is, I will tell 335 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: you what it is. The sun is a ball of 336 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: fire which rises every morning out of the sea and 337 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: goes down among the mountains of our island each evening. 338 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: We have all seen this, and if you had your eyesight, 339 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: you too would have seen it. A fisherman who had 340 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: been listening to the conversation, said, it is plain enough 341 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: that you have never been beyond our own island. If 342 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: you were not lame, and if you had been out 343 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: as I have been in a fishing boat, you would 344 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: know that the sun does not set among the mountains 345 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: of our island, but as it rises from the ocean 346 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: every morning, so it sets again in the sea every night. 347 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: What I am telling you is true, for I have 348 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: seen it every day with my own eyes. Then an 349 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: Indian who is of our party, interrupted him by saying, 350 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: I am astonished that a reasonable man could talk such 351 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: a nonsense. How can a ball of fire possibly descend 352 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: into the water and not be extinguished. The sun is 353 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: not a ball of fire. It is the deity named Deva, 354 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: who rides forever in a chariot round the golden mount 355 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: mountained Marou. Sometimes the evil serpents Ragu and Ketu attack 356 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: Deva and swallow him, and then the earth is dark. 357 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: But our priests pray that the deity may be released, 358 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: and then he is set free. Only such ignorant men 359 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: as you, who have never been beyond their own island, 360 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: can imagine that the sun shines for their country alone. 361 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Then the master of an Egyptian vessel, who was present, 362 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: spoke in his turn, No, said he, you are also wrong. 363 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: The sun is not a deity and does not move 364 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: only round India and its golden mountain. I have sailed 365 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: much on the Black Sea and along the coasts of Arabia, 366 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: and have been to Madagascar, into the Philippines. The sun 367 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: lights the whole earth, and not India alone. It does 368 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: not circle round one mountain, but rises far in the east, 369 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: beyond the isles of Japan, and sets far far in 370 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: the west, beyond the islands of England. That is why 371 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: the Japanese call their country Napon. That is the birth 372 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: of the Sun. I know this well, for I have 373 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: myself seen much and heard more from my grandfather, who 374 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: sailed to the very ends of the sea. He would 375 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: have gone on, but an English sailor from our ship 376 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: interrupted him. There is no country he said where people 377 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: know so much about the sun's movements as in England. 378 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: The sun, as everyone in England knows, rises and sets nowhere. 379 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: It is always moving round the earth. We can be 380 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: sure of this, for we have just been round the 381 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: world ourselves, and nowhere knocked up against the sun. Wherever 382 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: we went, the sun showed itself in the morning and 383 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: hid itself at night, just as it does here. And 384 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: the Englishman took a stick and, drawing circles in the sand, 385 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: tried to explain how the sun moves in the heavens 386 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: and goes round the world. But he was unable to 387 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: explain it clearly, and, pointing to the ship's pilot, said, 388 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: this man knows more about it than I do. He 389 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: can explain it properly. The pilot, who was an intelligent man, 390 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: had listened in silence to the talk till he was 391 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: asked to speak. Now everyone turned to him, and he said, 392 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: you are all misleading one another, and are yourselves deceived. 393 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: The Sun does not go round the Earth, but the 394 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: Earth goes round the Sun, revolving as it goes and 395 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: turning towards the Sun in the course of each twenty 396 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: four hours. Not only Japan and the Philippines and Sumatra 397 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: where we are now, but Africa and Europe and America 398 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: and many lands besides. The sun does not shine for 399 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: some one mountain, or for some one island, or for 400 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: some one sea, or even for one Earth alone, but 401 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: for other planets as well as our earth. If you 402 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: would only look up at the heavens instead of at 403 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: the ground beneath your own feet, you might understand this, 404 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: and would then no longer suppose that the sun shines 405 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: for you and for your country alone. Thus spoke the 406 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: wise pilot, who had voyaged much around the world and 407 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: had gazed much upon the heavens above. So on matters 408 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: of faith, continued the Chinaman, the student of Confucius. It 409 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: is pride that causes error and discord among men. As 410 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: with the sun, so it is with God. Each man 411 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: wants to have a special God of his own, or 412 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: at least a special God for his native land. Each 413 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: nation wishes to confine in its own temples hymn who 414 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: the world cannot contain? Can any temple compare with that 415 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: which God himself has built to unite all men in 416 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: one faith and one religion. All human temples are built 417 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: on the model of this temple, which is God's own world. 418 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: Every temple has its fonts, its vaulted roof, its lamps, 419 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: its pictures or sculptures, its inscriptions, its books of the law, 420 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: its offerings, its altars, and its priests. But in what 421 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: temple is there such a font as the ocean, such 422 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: a vault as that of the heavens, such lamps as 423 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: the sun, moon and stars, or any figures to be 424 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: compared with living, loving, mutually helpful men. Where are there 425 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: any records of God's goodness? So easy to understand as 426 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: the blessings which God has strown abroad for man's happiness. 427 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Where is there any book of the law so clear 428 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: to each man that it is written in his heart. 429 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: What sacrifices equal the self denials which loving men and 430 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: women make for one another? And what altar can be 431 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: compared with the heart of a good man on which 432 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: God himself accepts the sacrifice. The higher a man's conception 433 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: of God, the better we will know him, And the 434 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: better he knows God, the nearer will he draw to Him, 435 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: imitating his goodness, his mercy, and his love of man. Therefore, 436 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: let him who sees the sun's whole light filling the 437 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: world refrain from blaming or despising the superstitious man, who, 438 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: in his own idol sees one ray of that same light. 439 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: Let him not despise even the unbeliever, who is blind 440 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: and cannot see the sun at all. So spoke the Chinaman, 441 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: the student of Confucius, and all who are present in 442 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: the coffee house were silent and disputed no more as 443 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: to whose faith was the best. The end. I'm not 444 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: reading these stories to be like and this is totally 445 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: what you should believe or how we should talk about 446 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: these things. I think you know me by now well enough, 447 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: unless it is the first episode you've listened to that Instead, 448 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I just find it interesting the way that different people 449 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: with radical conceptions around freedom will talk about these things. 450 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, what is this second story? But I'll like 451 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: claim against nationalism and saying like, but it's not wrong 452 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: that people like see what they can see based on 453 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: where they are, but that when we look at all 454 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: humanity together we get a very different picture, and you know, 455 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: we each see this image of the truth. I just 456 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: like it. It's complicated, but I like it. And next 457 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: week I'll read you more stuff that I probably like 458 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: and or probably feel complicated about, and if you want 459 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: to read some other stuff. I wrote a couple books. 460 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: One of the books just came out, and it's called 461 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: The Immortal Choir Holds Every Voice, and it's a reflection 462 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: on death but in no way where I talk about 463 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: trolls and murder elves and things like that, set in 464 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: the modern world. And it's out from Strangers in the 465 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: Tangled Wilderness, which is a collectively run anarchist publisher of fiction, 466 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: and you can check it out. It just came out, 467 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: thanks everyone who supported it on Kickstarter. That means an 468 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: awful lot to me. And there was also another book 469 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: that was also kickstarted that I had a lot to 470 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: do with, which is called Defenders of the Wild, and 471 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: it is both a board game and a companion Almanac. 472 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: And the Companion Almanac it's about animal people defending against 473 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: machines that are destroying everything. And it's a board game, 474 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: but it's also a tabletop role playing game. And I 475 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: didn't write the rules for either, but I got to 476 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: play around a lot with world building and writing a 477 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: lot of the sort of fiction and flavor text that 478 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: goes along with that. So you might like those things. 479 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: They don't really have anything to do with when I 480 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: just read you, but I don't know whatever, whatever you want, bye. 481 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 482 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 483 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 484 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 485 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at 486 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: Coolzonmedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening,