1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: On this episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly. When it comes 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: to sports, there's really no shortage of conspiracy theories, but 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: some stand above all the others. With the NBA Draft 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: upon us, we're revisiting one of the biggest conspiracy theories 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: in sports history, whether the first ever draft lottery in 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: was rigged with a frozen envelope to send Patrick Ewing 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: to the New York next and to do so, we're 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: bringing in some heavy hitters and SI senior writer Chris 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Herring and Howard Back, as well as my former co 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: worker now with Crooked Media, Jason Conceptsion. I'm your host, 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated and I Heart Radio. This 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: is Sports Illustrated Weekly in general. Do you believe in conspiracies? Yes, 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: but not as often as I think conspiracy there's would 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: like me to believe in them. That's Chris Harry. I 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: like conspiracies often as entertainment, but I find myself to 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: be a pretty rational person who generally subscribes the idea 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: that when something looks like a conspiracy, very often it's 18 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: incompetent people trying to cover how incompetent they were. That's 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Jason Conceptio Nick's super fan, better known on Twitter as network. 20 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: I do not generally believe in conspiracies, almost any conspiracies, 21 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and certainly not NBA conspiracies. That's Howard Beck. I am 22 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: absolutely a pronounced conspiracy theory skeptic. Where does the frozen 23 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: envelope conspiracy theory rank among the many NBA conspiracy theories? 24 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: The frozen envelope might be the mother of all NBA 25 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. I think to the average NBA person it's 26 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: near the top. It's a cute one that ultimately doesn't 27 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: hold up for me. It makes a lot of sense 28 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: if you want to believe conspiracies. This is one that 29 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: enough of the things dovetail together. I don't know that 30 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: there were NBA conspiracy theories of any note prior to 31 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: that lottery. It's had obviously a lot of staying power, 32 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: and I think it has kind of paved the way 33 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: for this cottage industry of NBA conspiracy theories. It would 34 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: be very clear to see how the NBA would benefit 35 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: from having the draft rigged in that way, if that 36 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: was your thought. Alright, So draft lottery was the first 37 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: of its kind. Put in perspective, how momentous an event. 38 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: That was because that was the first one, So the 39 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: very first NBA Draft lottery, you know, the lead realized 40 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: it had a tanking problem. Go figure. But to fix tanking, 41 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: they decided, we need to not have the worst team 42 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: in the league just automatically get the top pick. That's 43 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: how it had been for a very long time. So 44 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: what's the best solution here, Well, I don't know. Why 45 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: don't we just take the worst teams, put their names 46 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: on these cards, these big cards in these envelopes that 47 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: nobody can see, throw them in a tumbler, crank that 48 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: thing up. Grab one. The first one we grab gets 49 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the top pick. At the time, it was still kind 50 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: of a new thing, so people didn't really know how 51 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: closely are people are gonna watch, how much for it 52 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: people are gonna care. And it happened to coincide with 53 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: the year that Patrick Ewing, Patrick Ewing, Patrick Ewing who's 54 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: coming out of George Town and was thought by many 55 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: to be this generational Bill Russell esque star who was 56 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: going to be by far the overwhelming choice for the 57 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: number one pick. People thought that he really might be 58 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the next Bill Russell. You know, as far as titles 59 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: are concerned, the winnings player in NBA history. It upped 60 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the importance of that lottery and of that draft because 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: whoever when the lottery was going to win Patrick Ewing 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: and their franchise was going to be set for a 63 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: very long time. That was the thought is like, whoever 64 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: wins this lottery is going to get a player that 65 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: could dominate the league for the next twenty years, fifteen years. 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: So the league got lucky in the eighties. They end 67 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: up with Magic in Los Angeles, they end up with 68 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Bird in Boston, to big markets, storied franchises, and then 69 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: you've got the next explain why it was so important 70 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: for the league to have a big player and a 71 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: good team in New York. I think that they would 72 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: love it if stars were in certain markets. This is 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: like saying, do you want to make more money? Of 74 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: course you do, you know, because here's how the NBA 75 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: makes money. Ticket sales. Okay, well, guess what the Knicks 76 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: are gonna sell out there, sell out every fucking game 77 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: if they have a star there. And so then you've 78 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: got Patrick Ewing and if he joins the team, all 79 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they have a bankable star name in 80 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: the biggest market that's eight million people, and the league 81 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: really needed a shot in the arm. TV was not 82 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: really a huge thing as far as the NBA was concerned. 83 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: If you have more potential eyes on your product, then 84 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: you can charge more for your advertising, and you can 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: make more money and you can grow your league. It's 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: really that simple. Like that is the big market advantage 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: in a nutshell is just more built in audience. It's 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: a button seats business. And of course they had an 89 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: incentive for a team like the Knicks to win the 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: lottery because the Knicks at that time stop me if 91 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: you've heard this before, had been a pretty bad shape. 92 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: The Knicks were a team that at one point was 93 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: one of the most important teams in the league, but 94 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: lately had not and that could stuff was pretty desperate 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: and pretty dark for the Knicks at the time. Very 96 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: little success in the playoffs, several losing seasons, not a 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: team that was really going anywhere, and not a franchise 98 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: that was able to live up to its lofty status 99 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: as a all time great franchise that had won a 100 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: couple of championships in the early seventies. The New York 101 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Knicks were among the teams that had been bad, and 102 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: so they were among the teams that were in the running. 103 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: The Knicks were a part of that conversation, but weren't 104 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: really favored in it. The idea of being able to 105 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: win the rights to draft Patrick Ewing to set this 106 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: historic franchise in a position to contend for years to come, 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: was huge. When the Knicks did win the lottery, they 108 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: instantly made Patrick Ewing's first game at the Garden one 109 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: of the games that they opened the season with. And 110 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: so the Knicks went from one of the worst teams 111 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA that nobody would ever want to watch 112 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: too being like a marquee. Please watch this game. This 113 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: is like our season opener because Patrick is the one 114 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: that gets drafted here. This is the beauty of this thing, right, 115 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: It sounds so logical if all the stars were in 116 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: the biggest markets with the most eyeballs watching TV, that 117 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: the league generates that much more revenue and therefore they're 118 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: going to do everything possible. Let's bring in David Stern 119 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: to this equation. He's one of the most powerful and 120 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: successful commissioners in any sport in history. David Stern was 121 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: incredibly savvy, incredibly smart. He was just a very powerful 122 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: person who understood how to market the league, understood how 123 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: to grow it, and played a tremendous role in turning 124 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: it into an international behemoth. David Stern was no fool, 125 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: and the league's TV contract was about to come up, 126 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: and this is something that could completely shift the nature 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: of how much money was going to be made on 128 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: that contract depending on where Patrick Ewing landed. And I 129 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: think this is really one of the first will marks 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: of his legacy. He wanted the Lead to be a 131 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: big commercial entity than a worldwide phenomenon. Magic and Bird 132 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: helped put it there, but he was looking for more 133 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: to help it become that. Michael Jordan was not who 134 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: we would later become yet, and so Patrick was a 135 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: guy and a piece that could help do that. If 136 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: he wanted to manipulate draft lottery and steer you into 137 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: the next could he have done it just through sheer 138 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: force of will? Sure? Theoretically yes, I guess like dude 139 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: was pretty smart. That doesn't mean he's capable of it 140 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: or would have done it. But is he's smart enough? 141 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: I guess take us through the frozen envelope theory as 142 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: you understand it. So they ran the ping pong balls. 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: The drum will now be turned to further mix them lopes, 144 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: and then I will conduct the drawing. David Stern picks 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: up an envelope. Team who's logo is in this envelope? 146 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: We'll have the first pick in the NBA draft. Second 147 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: pick in the NBA Draft goes to the Indian well 148 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: R Shoe works back where Now a lot of the 149 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy comes from the kind of like funky way he 150 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: handles the cars. He bangs them around a little bit, 151 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: and there's like a weird shuffling motion that he has. 152 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: With the envelopes. He was reaching and feeling around to 153 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: try to make it like, oh, I don't know which 154 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: one I want to take. I'm gonna try to, you know, 155 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: kind of rearrange these a little bit, just so it's 156 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: not the first one. I reached in and grabbed the idea. 157 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: Here is the he was looking for the right one. 158 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: People have talked about the idea of whether there was 159 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: a cold envelope, or you know, is there a different 160 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: temperature to one of the envelopes or not, or when 161 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: you put the envelopes into the dram and these envelopes 162 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: are pretty big, mind you that if one of the 163 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: sides is bent. Can you just kind of feel around 164 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: to feel which envelope feels different than the others, so 165 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: he could tell which would be the Knicks envelope. That's 166 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: the one that he wants to grab it. All hinges 167 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: on the fact that the incentive structure was so great 168 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: for the league to pick New York number one that 169 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: they decided they had to make sure it happened all right. 170 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: Last one for you. Bottom line, Do you think the 171 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: draft lottery was fixed? Absolutely? Positively. Not. No, No, I 172 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: don't believe it was fixed. It's fun to talk about, 173 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: it's fun to theorize on, but there is not a shred, 174 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: not a single shred of evidence of any sort to 175 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: back this up. I just don't see the mission impossible 176 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: aspect of this scheme. If they were willing to do 177 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: things to help the New York Knicks get stars, they're 178 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: doing a really bad job. In general, it breaks down 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: as soon as you start going through I don't know 180 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: almost every single lottery other than the Patrick Ewing one, 181 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: because these superstars keep ending up via the lottery, Charlotte, Orlando, 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: New Orleans, the NBA lottery routine, the awards top three 183 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: picks two small markets, the Cleveland Cavaliers getting numerous number 184 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: one picks in a decade. Why don't we think that's fixed? 185 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: Or why are we not incredulous about that? If the 186 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: NBA were truly trying to manipulate the entire system and 187 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: make sure that the stars went to the biggest markets, 188 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: then they're doing a really crappy job of it. Historically speaking, 189 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: I also think that there's no way that it would 190 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: have been kept this secret. The logistics of this alleged 191 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: lottery fixing, how it could have been done, How many 192 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: people would have known, who would have actually done it? 193 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: The circle of this would have to be so small. 194 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: Where is the freezer? Who set up the fridge? Who 195 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: put the envelope in the Was it David that did 196 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: all of that? Who watched the balls? Like there were 197 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: other people involved in this and for none of that leak. 198 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Is there a single person who's ever attested to this 199 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: who would be in a position to know no, not 200 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: even anonymously. It would be the biggest fucking story in sports. 201 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Imagine the podcast numbers on that story, Imagine the book sales, 202 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: like if that story existed, it would have come out 203 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: by now. People when you've got a really good conspiracy, 204 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we hear the answer 205 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: from the people involved they deny it to the bone, 206 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: we still would prefer to believe the conspiracy instead because 207 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: it's more interesting and I kind of feel like this 208 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: is one of those instances where absolutely there were people 209 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: that had an opportunity to really benefit and there was 210 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: an incentive here, but I kind of feel like the 211 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy aspect of it is more entertaining, and so I 212 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: think we keep it alive that way because of that. 213 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and a reminder to please rate and 214 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: review our show. It helps people find us. Sports Illustrated 215 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: Weekly is a production off Sports Illustrated and I Heart Radio. 216 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I 217 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your 218 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: favorite shows. And for more of Sports Illustrated It's best 219 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: stories and podcasts, visit SI dot com. This episode of 220 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated Weekly was produced by Jessica Yarmoski, Jordan Rizzieri, 221 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: and Isaac Lee, who was also our sound engineer. Our 222 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: senior producer is Dan bluem. Our executive producers are Scott 223 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: Brody and me John Gonzalez. Our theme song is by 224 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Nolan Schneider. If you've stuck around this long, we'll leave 225 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: you with this. One of the more preposterous ones that 226 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I do like because it was the height of like 227 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: mid eighties stupid sci fi that David Stern was wearing 228 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: infrared glasses. I mean, that's come on, that's absolutely insane.