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Speaker 1: and welcome back to another exciting episode of the Office.
Speaker 1: Deep Dive I am your host, Brian Baumgartner, and this
Speaker 1: week we're coming at you with somebody that you have
Speaker 1: all been waiting to hear from. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: get started. Today's guest is a man who means business,
Speaker 1: and I mean he really means business. Not only was
Speaker 1: he the fo of dunder Mifflin, which was arguably the
Speaker 1: greatest and most successful paper company, maybe even any company
Speaker 1: of all time, but as a real human person, he
Speaker 1: was moonlighting as a stockbroker for Merrill Lynch the entire
Speaker 1: run of the show. Yep, you guessed it. The genius
Speaker 1: who brought Suck It into our lives Andy Buckley, who
Speaker 1: also happens to be one of the treasured members of
Speaker 1: our office fantasy football team, who last week lost by
Speaker 1: one point to MOI because I had Austin Ekeler thanks
Speaker 1: to Rain Wilson, who dominated on Monday Night. So Andy
Speaker 1: suck It now. Andy came onto the show a little
Speaker 1: bit later. In fact, he referred to himself as a
Speaker 1: distant cousin of the cast for the first several seasons
Speaker 1: he was on board, but he really grew to have
Speaker 1: a special place in our hearts and the hearts of
Speaker 1: the people back in Scranton, Pennsylvania. To this day, if
Speaker 1: you run into Andy on the street, you might come
Speaker 1: away with a special office themed surprise. Hint, hint. Andy
Speaker 1: has gone on to do so many big things, from
Speaker 1: Jurassic World to Shameless and Veep, but he credits it
Speaker 1: all to his time on the office. So from the
Speaker 1: mean streets of Finance to the not so mean streets
Speaker 1: of Scranton, get ready to hear from the boss of
Speaker 1: the world's best boss, the master of dead Pan, Andy Buckley.
Speaker 1: Bubble and I love it, Bubble and squeak, bubble and
Speaker 1: quaker cooking every month, lift over, not beople. This is
Speaker 1: how are you great? Good to see you, Good to
Speaker 1: see you. You know, I wore my finest there it is,
Speaker 1: you know under Mifflin. I'm not I'm not playing around.
Speaker 1: You're not playing I'm the owner of this company. You
Speaker 1: you are the last. Oh sit there, Yes, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you half the fun I have to put them on.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. This is how people get in trouble.
Speaker 1: They they think it's you know, and then they say
Speaker 1: some thing they shouldn't say, and then their career is over. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to make happen for you. Hey, Alex, Alex, Hello,
Speaker 1: sir Alex, I haven't seen your coat today. It's very
Speaker 1: are you cold? Well? That's how Brian likes it. It's
Speaker 1: how Audrey Hepburn liked it. Catherine Hippern all the headburns.
Speaker 1: Catherin Hippern like this, Uh yeah is that? Does that
Speaker 1: feel good? See? There you go? There would be no.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Oh, I've gotten people to say way
Speaker 1: worse than I'm sure. Yeah, how are you? I'm great?
Speaker 1: Haven't five got picked up? Which is good? You got
Speaker 1: a job? Baby? There you go? Where is that film
Speaker 1: across the pond? As they say in London like I'll
Speaker 1: move to I'll be in London for five months. Wow.
Speaker 1: And Gabe is on it a ka Zach Woods, UM's great.
Speaker 1: Can we swear? Yeah? We can say whatever we want.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I took a couple of notes of
Speaker 1: like funny things. But it's then it reminds me of
Speaker 1: the It was one of the last episodes. It was
Speaker 1: the opening teaser. I come in and I'm like, really
Speaker 1: pissed at Jon Favreau directed, I'm really pissed at ed
Speaker 1: because you were on a fucking boat for three months.
Speaker 1: We did it three, four or five times. Everybody says great, fine,
Speaker 1: good um, and I said more more, and so like
Speaker 1: we did it like three or four more times. I'm
Speaker 1: saying this, motherfuck are you fucking like I was Tony
Speaker 1: Soprano or something like that, and uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately Greg said, now we we you can't like we can't.
Speaker 1: You know, you're it doesn't make sense. It doesn't match
Speaker 1: what like the character was. But it was like Kate Flair,
Speaker 1: remember the time she walked and she said, what the
Speaker 1: hell was going on? Because like they walk in and
Speaker 1: they just they don't know what's good. They just hear
Speaker 1: this exprest it's just right, oh my god. Um, so
Speaker 1: you let's let's rewind. Yeah, before you started on the office,
Speaker 1: that was our warm up. What were you doing? I
Speaker 1: was born in Boston. No, so you were You were
Speaker 1: born in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Yeah, at the Salem Hospital. But
Speaker 1: I'm from Marblehead, Massachusetts. So many of us have from
Speaker 1: the marble Head, the Massachusetts area, the cat Pack, the
Speaker 1: smack Pack, and now yes, I I went to college,
Speaker 1: moved to New York, studied acting, moved to l a
Speaker 1: meandered around, didn't like set the world on fire. Not
Speaker 1: only did I do a Melrose Place, I did a
Speaker 1: Caroline in the City, so there you go. Check it out.
Speaker 1: I did a Silk Stockings. I was voted. I was
Speaker 1: voted the worst acting in the history of silk Stockings.
Speaker 1: So like, that's that's pretty that's me coming. I was horrible.
Speaker 1: Was you did actually have the razzies for? But god,
Speaker 1: I was terrible? But yeah, no, then I I actually
Speaker 1: like packed in acting and started working to Mary Lynch.
Speaker 1: I was a stockbroker. What so you stopped acting? Well,
Speaker 1: it's not like I was doing much of it, but
Speaker 1: I officially said all right, said I gotta get a
Speaker 1: come up with a job. Or my wife, who was
Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time, said, Buckley, come up with
Speaker 1: the job. This is ridiculous, your your life is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So it was, you know, I stumbled into Merrill Lynch
Speaker 1: and there was an actor I knew who worked there,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, come on interview, and uh and
Speaker 1: you know they they hired me. They were kind enough
Speaker 1: to hire me. I'm pleasant. Wad you an experience? I
Speaker 1: had no experience, but yeah, I'm reasonably reasonably smart, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm seemingly trustworthy, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was a great golfer, you know, like just very important.
Speaker 1: They I think they thought, Okay, this guy'll be able
Speaker 1: to bring in some clients. So that was it. No,
Speaker 1: So I was I was there. I was doing that,
Speaker 1: and I actually I loved it. I mean I I
Speaker 1: stayed at Merrill Lynch in Century City is where the
Speaker 1: office was um throughout the whole run of the show.
Speaker 1: The last season is when I finally left, like halfway
Speaker 1: through the very last season. So that's what I was doing.
Speaker 1: In four and a half years into that, I had
Speaker 1: run into Alison Jones. She'd be my patron saint. She's
Speaker 1: completely changed my life for the good, for the for
Speaker 1: the great. And uh, I ran into at the local
Speaker 1: farmers market where we're in the living the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1: What are you doing, I got I'm a stockbroker, like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm married, I got a kid. Now apparently I've
Speaker 1: grown up. And she uh said, all right, we'll give
Speaker 1: me your card just in case something comes up. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, okay. And my wife is an
Speaker 1: acting coach and has become like a pretty soft after
Speaker 1: I can coach. But she had started her class and
Speaker 1: I was going to her class. So I had started
Speaker 1: to like fall back in love with acting and for
Speaker 1: the right reasons and really was loving doing it. And
Speaker 1: it was, you know, small class. So then Alison calls
Speaker 1: me five months after I saw her on the thing
Speaker 1: or four and a half months something like that, and says, Okay, Buckley,
Speaker 1: you should. I can't believe I find your card, but
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. You should come in. I think
Speaker 1: you're the right guy. He's the CFO. Do you watch
Speaker 1: the office like yeah, yeah, Kevin Molans incredible. Um and uh.
Speaker 1: And so I go in and I sit there and
Speaker 1: I'm waiting in the in the room like I duck
Speaker 1: over from my office, you know, like Century City. Okay,
Speaker 1: so wait, wait what You're at Merrill Lynch and you're
Speaker 1: taking acting classes from your wife just because she had
Speaker 1: started Nancy Banks, great Nancy Banks. Yeah, she had like
Speaker 1: seven people in her class. I'm like, oh, I'll be
Speaker 1: the eighth. It will be an even number of scenes.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like the two guys in the class, we're
Speaker 1: me and Channing Tatum and so no, nobody, of course
Speaker 1: wanted to do scenes with me the teacher's husband, who's
Speaker 1: the who's the hot you know? Um, yeah, she's been,
Speaker 1: she've been. She's been working with him since before like
Speaker 1: anybody knew him. And he's as lovely as as can be.
Speaker 1: But yes, so I'm doing that. So Allison calls you
Speaker 1: and says, come in. But you're doing that because you
Speaker 1: you are just liking it. You're falling in love with
Speaker 1: act exactly. Yeah, which was I mean, that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do from the time I saw my first
Speaker 1: James Dean movie when I was fifteen or whatever and
Speaker 1: thought I'd be you know, the brooding heartthrobb or whatever,
Speaker 1: brooding confused teenage kids. And and I'm just a brooding,
Speaker 1: confused adult, uh you know, fifty year old man and
Speaker 1: uh but no, so so I go. But it was funny.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the waiting room and then all the
Speaker 1: actor Why am I look at all these guys? These
Speaker 1: are I mean, you know? And then and then chip
Speaker 1: Eston is there also auditioning, Like gosh, there's there's Chip
Speaker 1: like and he's the guy for the folks at home
Speaker 1: and played Josh Porter. And in my head, I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna here him like what am I doing here?
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, Like he's great, And then to make
Speaker 1: matters worse for the negative actor had Rain pops his
Speaker 1: head into the waiting room and he and Chip are buddies,
Speaker 1: and he says, hey, good, you're here. Great. Look I
Speaker 1: also told them you should read for this other part. Luckily,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna do I don't know, a bunch of episodes,
Speaker 1: just an existed one off. So then Rain says this
Speaker 1: in front of you. Well he pulled him aside. I
Speaker 1: just happened to be sitting close and I don't think
Speaker 1: everybody else started. I just like it wasn't like he
Speaker 1: broadcasting across the room. But uh like okay. So then
Speaker 1: I go in and it's Allison and Michael Shure and
Speaker 1: the old Mikey can tremendous. And I do the scene,
Speaker 1: do the second scene, feel good about it. And Michael's like,
Speaker 1: now wait, now, you're you're like a financial guy, right,
Speaker 1: You're that's what you're doing. Yeah, you know a Meryl
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I'm and I'm a Marylynch guy. And
Speaker 1: he's like okay, okay, good. And then the next day
Speaker 1: Alison calls me and says a, right, they're gonna hire
Speaker 1: you Buckley, They're gonna give you a glasses, maybe gray
Speaker 1: your hair a little bit. And that was it, and
Speaker 1: it was like it was awesome. Wow. Yeah at that point,
Speaker 1: did you you thought it was just one episode? I
Speaker 1: thought it was one episode. I mean it was so
Speaker 1: fun and Greg directed that episode and um, and it
Speaker 1: was so great that it was I just loved I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember the first scene that we did was the
Speaker 1: conference room scene, and I would do it and then
Speaker 1: he would come up and he would say okay, and
Speaker 1: he would just like whisper in your try you know,
Speaker 1: try it whatever the suggestion was. And it was awesome,
Speaker 1: and that'll be fun. Maybe I'll get to do like,
Speaker 1: you know, one a year or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then I really started to think, oh man, I may
Speaker 1: be on this a fair amount. After we hired Ryan
Speaker 1: to work in corporate. So to answer your question I
Speaker 1: had I was a stockbroke. Well, it's it's interesting to
Speaker 1: me because it's the same thing with Phillis. Like Phillis
Speaker 1: was a casting associate, right who just read naturally with
Speaker 1: the people who were involved. And and yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: interesting that Mike asked you those questions. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: it was funny because the guy who ran my office
Speaker 1: at the time, it was just a lovely guy. Like
Speaker 1: he wasn't some corporate you know asshole that you sort
Speaker 1: of the cliche of what a corporate guy. He was
Speaker 1: just like a great guy. Um, Dick Valentine if you're
Speaker 1: listening for still Buddies. But it was like, and Dick's
Speaker 1: a good guys didn't have to be like some you
Speaker 1: know jerk. You're a good guy. Why not. So in
Speaker 1: that first episode it was just Stephen Milaura, right, well,
Speaker 1: that was the second scene. The first scene it was
Speaker 1: Steve Malaura and then Chip was in that Josh Porter
Speaker 1: and the guy that was like, well maybe I should
Speaker 1: have just slept with jan too. I'd be fine, right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right. Fun But but in terms of the you know,
Speaker 1: the original sort of corecast with Steve, yeah, Stephen Milaura,
Speaker 1: I mean at this point it was occurring to me
Speaker 1: when I was looking at meeting with you today. By
Speaker 1: the time you came on the show, Steve was a
Speaker 1: movie star. Yeah, like you know when we started, he
Speaker 1: wasn't had you seen fourty year old Virgin? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd seen that I'd seen the show and like, oh
Speaker 1: my crap, you know, and uh and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he couldn't have been more every and everyone couldn't have
Speaker 1: been more welcoming. And he's such a pro and he's
Speaker 1: just always coming up with funny or different ways to
Speaker 1: do it, and which is really I guess that's a
Speaker 1: Second City thing. I've maybe it's a Steve thing too,
Speaker 1: but it's a something they try to do in Second City.
Speaker 1: You'd never do the same thing in a row or
Speaker 1: you know, twice, right, right right. I mean, you certainly
Speaker 1: had scenes with other people, but so much of your
Speaker 1: interaction was with Michael Scott, and you guys played so
Speaker 1: well together. How was it for you playing with him?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's spectacular. I would of course constantly laugh.
Speaker 1: I mean, he would just make me laugh. If we
Speaker 1: did eight takes, four of them, I would have burst
Speaker 1: out laughing. Oh, it was hard for It was hard
Speaker 1: for anybody, for sure. Did you when you come on,
Speaker 1: say for the first time, when you entered the bullpen
Speaker 1: at under Mefflin for the first time, or with working
Speaker 1: with Steve or whatever, did that make you nervous? Of course? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first day I was nervous as as heck um,
Speaker 1: and then that thing you sort of settled back into Okay,
Speaker 1: what am I doing in this scene? Why am I
Speaker 1: hear all that stuff? And you know, and Steve, you
Speaker 1: walk on, I couldn't you walks right over? Hey, how
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm Steve? You know, glad you're here. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know, it just couldn't be more gracious.
Speaker 1: And Greg was like that as well, you know everybody, um,
Speaker 1: and well, it's funny because, like as you said, the
Speaker 1: first I don't know the first number of years, it
Speaker 1: was always me and Steve mostly, but it was always corporate,
Speaker 1: so I was never in the bullpen. It was always
Speaker 1: he would come season five or so. I don't know
Speaker 1: when I started going to Scranton, but the first few
Speaker 1: times like, oh wow, like I'm never here, this as
Speaker 1: will And I mean I didn't really know anybody, didn't
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know you. I didn't know Kate
Speaker 1: or you know, Angela, any of the people really, and
Speaker 1: you were all very mean, No, especially No, and so
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this is wild. Yeah, like I'm
Speaker 1: never here, this is only smokes. The one thing I
Speaker 1: think that really I feel like This made a significant
Speaker 1: difference in them perhaps using me more. Was the convention
Speaker 1: in Scranton. I should have got myself invited to that.
Speaker 1: So we had we had finished season three, you know,
Speaker 1: we hired Ryan. He started thinking me, I wonder if
Speaker 1: there's a way I can sort of figure out how
Speaker 1: to grate some business Merrill Lynch wise with this. So
Speaker 1: I just look up is there a Merrill Lynch office
Speaker 1: in Scranton, And lo and behold, there there is. I
Speaker 1: called the office and there's a fellow who was there
Speaker 1: at the time, and he said, hey, we're they're having
Speaker 1: a convention, you know, in about a month, and are
Speaker 1: you coming to that? I like, oh't no. I know
Speaker 1: the guy putting on the convention, Tim Holmes, And he said,
Speaker 1: let me call him. So like he set it up
Speaker 1: for me to meet Tim, and Tim said, hey, come on,
Speaker 1: we'll bring in And so it was great to get
Speaker 1: to be a part of that because I didn't know anybody.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the writers, I didn't know. So for
Speaker 1: three days, like I get to be around and I'm
Speaker 1: there and I'm talking to people, and I feel like
Speaker 1: that made a I don't know, I feel like it
Speaker 1: made a difference because then the writers got a sense
Speaker 1: of like, uh, he's all right, he's okay, yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: he'll do let's bring him back. That's fascinating. How was
Speaker 1: it for you just on a personal level, having two
Speaker 1: jobs for such a long period of time, I mean,
Speaker 1: was that about security for you? Or yeah? Yeah, and hey,
Speaker 1: I mean I really enjoyed my time at Marylanch like
Speaker 1: and uh, and I got partners when I started getting busy,
Speaker 1: because when I started getting on the show a lot
Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily take a ton of time. I mean,
Speaker 1: most ever did, I think was twelve episodes. But it
Speaker 1: was because of that that I was getting opportunities to
Speaker 1: audition for a ton of stuff, for get to be
Speaker 1: in some movies and things like that. Or I had
Speaker 1: then had gotten on this other show when these team dramas,
Speaker 1: it was really great fun show. Look called The Lying
Speaker 1: Game like a pretty little liar stud think. So then
Speaker 1: it was a little crys like, all right, I'll probably
Speaker 1: leave in a year, who but let's just keep me
Speaker 1: on the books. And and then then I eventually left
Speaker 1: at the end of two twelve. I guess through throughout
Speaker 1: your time on the going back a little bit how
Speaker 1: aware were you from episode to episode or season two
Speaker 1: season how much you're going to be involved? Not at all.
Speaker 1: That was the crazy thing on season five. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny in hindsight because I would just
Speaker 1: get a call from Alison Jones, Hey, they're gonna use
Speaker 1: you next week. They'll emilia script there. Oh great, I
Speaker 1: didn't have an agent. I had not like, I didn't
Speaker 1: have anything. That's awesome. And then after a little while
Speaker 1: Alison was Great's like, I'm gonna get you some more
Speaker 1: money that you should be getting paid a little more,
Speaker 1: and she did that, and then you know, I ended
Speaker 1: up in a ton of the episodes that year. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, if I, like what I had an agent,
Speaker 1: I might have been able to make like a lot
Speaker 1: more money, and like, what could have been a regular man?
Speaker 1: What was I thinking? But I, like, I would have
Speaker 1: that thought fleetingly and like, hey, man, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: So I didn't really dwell too much in that but no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't really know. And then at the end of
Speaker 1: season five is when Randy Cordray said, Hey, they're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta get you some sort of a
Speaker 1: deal next year, And I said, oh, great, all right,
Speaker 1: And then that was the got rid of me, like crap,
Speaker 1: we'll give you eight or ten shows and at the
Speaker 1: end you'll be gone. And you thought you were gone
Speaker 1: for good. I thought I was gone for good. And
Speaker 1: we're doing the table read and I'm reading it and
Speaker 1: like huh, And I said to Paul am I gone.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you know, we'll figure out a way
Speaker 1: to bring you back at some point. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so funny when they did ultimately bring me back,
Speaker 1: Like a year and a half later, I met a
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Speaker 1: suddenly owned like you know, four or five houses, and
Speaker 1: and then it just reaches a crescendo or like wait
Speaker 1: a second, this guy can't pay a mortgage on five houses.
Speaker 1: You can barely pay one. And so then the banks
Speaker 1: to start losing all kinds of money. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was crazy. There was There was a the weekend that
Speaker 1: Lehman Brothers went out of business, like Mary Lynch almost
Speaker 1: when I like, it was two or three different ones
Speaker 1: that were possibly going to go out of business, and
Speaker 1: and Leman Brothers was the one when all this was happening.
Speaker 1: That was my busiest year on the show. Like there
Speaker 1: was one day the day um the stock market by
Speaker 1: three hours in was down over seven hundred points, and
Speaker 1: back then it would be like if the market was
Speaker 1: down fift points that you know by two hours in.
Speaker 1: And that was the day that I think it was
Speaker 1: a Michael Scott negotiation buying back to Michael Scott Paper Company.
Speaker 1: It was a big scene. And it's like Steve and
Speaker 1: and I have to keep ducking out, like whenever they say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, let's take let's take five. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd like duck out and Dr Wilson, Andy Buckley. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. It's a temporary thing. I have to
Speaker 1: be out of the office today. John and and Dan
Speaker 1: are in there, you know. Meanwhile, I say, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got a huge scene. This is so fun, like
Speaker 1: I wanted, I wanted. You cannot believe what I'm getting
Speaker 1: to do today. Of course, couldn't say that. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like the office spoke to or how do you
Speaker 1: think that that crisis affected storylines, either you're specifically or others. Well,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, like the shareholders, like we went bankrupt and
Speaker 1: that's sort of coincided with what was going on in
Speaker 1: the world old at the time. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the writers were paying attention to their own brokerage accounts,
Speaker 1: you know which we're going down, or paying attention to
Speaker 1: the news. Oh that was the funny thing. Uh. They
Speaker 1: were some of the folks that, uh, not my partners
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like just some of the other folks
Speaker 1: at Mary lunch at the time. They're like, well, are
Speaker 1: you talking to them about their accounts? Like, no freaking way,
Speaker 1: I'm not mentioning. I want them to keep writing from me,
Speaker 1: Like I want to keep acting. I don't want I
Speaker 1: want like someone's accounting, and I certainly don't want them
Speaker 1: thinking I'm like sniffing around who handles your money? You know?
Speaker 1: Once you come talk to my partners, you know, that's
Speaker 1: so great. Yeah. So they're like, hey, can you go
Speaker 1: get us Steve Carrell's wealth account? Yeah, Greg Daniels. And
Speaker 1: You're like, no, I don't want to work with you
Speaker 1: guys anymore. I want to do that. Yeah. Oh that's
Speaker 1: so interesting. And would you be honest about that with them?
Speaker 1: Would yeah? Yeah? Yeah, you know, like the ones that
Speaker 1: I knew, Like, no, I'm not doing like, there's no
Speaker 1: freaking way I'm doing. I just want them to see
Speaker 1: me as like the CFO, and let's keep him around.
Speaker 1: Let's keep him around. Um, how do you feel like David?
Speaker 1: What was his journey through the show? Um? Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, but I mean he actually he
Speaker 1: actually goes through quite a lot. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: it's I always joke, um, like he must have been
Speaker 1: a terrible CFO because like the company went bankroft, we
Speaker 1: had to sell and uh, you know, getting involved in
Speaker 1: local branch things like why are you know this granted branch.
Speaker 1: What's going on they show up? Of course the companies
Speaker 1: gonna run out of business if the CFO is doing that. Um,
Speaker 1: it's so funny the way that the writers just get
Speaker 1: like the whole sucket thing. I think Jen wrote that
Speaker 1: episode and Krasinski directed. That's funny. I remember at the time,
Speaker 1: thing boy, He's like, he's pretty good. Director cut a
Speaker 1: quiet Place, which was terrible. By the way, what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't that Is that a play he was in? No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, because in something good's gonna happen for him,
Speaker 1: he'll have He's a good kids like. But when they
Speaker 1: brought him back, it was, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's ups and downs we have in life. The he's
Speaker 1: just some creepy guy hanging out in the tub for
Speaker 1: a while and then he gets lucky with the suck it.
Speaker 1: Like I say about Steve in the deposition, he's a
Speaker 1: good guy. I think Wallas was a good guy. But
Speaker 1: you know, he probably believed in people. You know, whatever
Speaker 1: it was he did, he took his eye off the
Speaker 1: ball too much. I guess, like like I guess many people.
Speaker 1: I mean it happened to many people during that time,
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe he was halfway decent, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't great at it, right. It happened to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, meaning like like just in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are probably smart capable of
Speaker 1: people didn't see the financial bubble happening as it did.
Speaker 1: So we'll put Wallace in that pool. It is interesting
Speaker 1: to me though that you know that I think a
Speaker 1: typical show would serve to demonize the CFO, you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, the the top top executives in a
Speaker 1: way and both you know, through the writing and your portrayal.
Speaker 1: He was like a good human being that like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody loves Jim, right that like Jim wanted to hang
Speaker 1: out with him, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that And I think that was the thing. He was
Speaker 1: just he was a pretty regular guy who you know,
Speaker 1: he's married, he's got his kids, I mean all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's not a cliche, you know, caricature of the
Speaker 1: corporate guy that you see on some I mean, he's
Speaker 1: just a a normal guy that works hard and does
Speaker 1: you know, reasonably well. And then you know, like many
Speaker 1: people lost and lost the company. But yeah, and and
Speaker 1: Michael Scott like his like in the in the one
Speaker 1: I forget what the episode is called. I think it's
Speaker 1: in the duel. He uh, like Michael, you're you know,
Speaker 1: all the other branches are failing, but your branch is
Speaker 1: doing well. You know, what are you doing? Right? Like
Speaker 1: his branch always like succeeded even though he was bumbling
Speaker 1: and all that. But well, hey, he keeps winning, you know,
Speaker 1: Mark fid Rich, you know, to reference someone we know, yea,
Speaker 1: you know the guy was a crazy picture, but he
Speaker 1: kept winning. Look him up, you kids, the bird, the Bird.
Speaker 1: But I think it goes to also your character that
Speaker 1: you go to him and say, how are you succeeding?
Speaker 1: How are you doing this? Yea? So maybe he was
Speaker 1: good at his jong or he's a best linger. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Something I did hire Ryan though that you know,
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Speaker 1: do you remember about finding out that the show was
Speaker 1: going to be concluding, do you remember, Yeah, And um,
Speaker 1: I mean it was unfortunate obviously, but I think it
Speaker 1: was great the way that ended. They had the year
Speaker 1: and created all the storylines and it was interesting. So
Speaker 1: at the time I was on this line game and
Speaker 1: I'm a regular on the show. And luckily in the
Speaker 1: contract that you know that when you do these things,
Speaker 1: you know, said how you can't do any other shows,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But we had put in there, like
Speaker 1: Jeff Frankel, my lawyer, had put in there, you know,
Speaker 1: if the office calls, he can do up to X
Speaker 1: amount of episodes, which is great because they greg wanted
Speaker 1: me for like thirteen or fourteen shows, and technically that
Speaker 1: it was only you know, six or seven or eight
Speaker 1: or something like that, and so I ended up having
Speaker 1: to do the other four just like on the phone.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it was fantastic to get to be
Speaker 1: a fairly big part of the last season at least,
Speaker 1: you know, to be around a lot, which was fun
Speaker 1: because it because it was I mean, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like an outsider. So like you guys were there
Speaker 1: constantly all the time, You're there all and I just
Speaker 1: kind of pop in and hey, and you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: nice and friendly. But it's like I'm the I don't
Speaker 1: know what, I'm like, the distant cousin sort of thing
Speaker 1: who shows up every once in a while. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were really the distant cousin. I mean,
Speaker 1: by the rap party Scranton, you are no distance. You know,
Speaker 1: you weren't a distant cousin anymore. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I feel like you had a
Speaker 1: special connection to Scranton. Yeah, I I loved I mean
Speaker 1: Tim and Michelle and those are my two great buddies,
Speaker 1: and I know with you as well, and you may
Speaker 1: have others. Yeah, I love it. I mean it's funny.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I went there, I was, man,
Speaker 1: I love this town. This is like, this is a
Speaker 1: pretty great town. I mean I've I've been back there
Speaker 1: maybe a dozen times. Right, I went back recently and
Speaker 1: walked around that old ballpark. Wh Yeah, I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: how great. That was so fun. That was a blast
Speaker 1: to get to do that. I mean, it's certainly a
Speaker 1: fun place to walk around. You walk around and people
Speaker 1: said to do a double take, and then who was
Speaker 1: because it's more than half the town probably knows this,
Speaker 1: you know, knows the show perfectly. How do you interact
Speaker 1: with fans? Now, I should love it shown them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on an HBO show. Now I don't have time
Speaker 1: for these people. Uh no, you kidd me, IM like,
Speaker 1: I'm super interactive. You've seen the David Wallace business card
Speaker 1: that I've that I hand out. Oh kids, you know
Speaker 1: people generally it's like college kids are They come up
Speaker 1: to me in airports and they're you know, hey, well
Speaker 1: I was, and I give them that and say, you know,
Speaker 1: we're hiring if you want to get in the paper
Speaker 1: business and you have stress balls that yeah that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I can't thought of that. And it
Speaker 1: was funny. I was thinking about this during season five
Speaker 1: or six, and I was in New York and getting
Speaker 1: to do the other guys like which was the coolest
Speaker 1: thing because yeah, well Ferrell and Wallburg and and I
Speaker 1: meet Will. He knows everything about the show. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the show? And he had seen
Speaker 1: the episode the night before, and I mean there's like
Speaker 1: one of my comedy heroes and holy crappy like those
Speaker 1: who I am, Oh my God, but so I I
Speaker 1: would have these stress balls, and I would I would
Speaker 1: I would walk around New York City and I would
Speaker 1: have these. And if somebody sort of you know, said
Speaker 1: something or something like that, like I would have awesome
Speaker 1: a dunder Mifflin's dress ball, just because I thought it
Speaker 1: was funny. And then and then one night, a like
Speaker 1: a great friend of mine she called and she said, sucky,
Speaker 1: are you like walking around New York tossing out dunder
Speaker 1: Mifflin's dress balls. My friend, you know, Tommy called me
Speaker 1: and said, I think I think it was your buddy.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I have a ton of fun with it. Why,
Speaker 1: you know, why not? Because it's like, I'm not Steve,
Speaker 1: and I think about you. I'm like, you must constantly
Speaker 1: just be bombarded like I'm not once a day, twice
Speaker 1: a day, and it's generally in like a line at
Speaker 1: a coffee place or whatever. Yeah, hey, thanks man, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. When it first started, I mean, frankly, I
Speaker 1: would purposely wear my David Wallace classes. You know that
Speaker 1: someone would say something, this is like the first year
Speaker 1: or two write like, which is so crazy. I remember
Speaker 1: one time in uh New York doing the other guys
Speaker 1: during Halloween. And I literally went out as as Wallace
Speaker 1: during Halloween and walked all around. But it was funny,
Speaker 1: like nobody, nobody, you know, I saw. I saw a
Speaker 1: couple of dwighte shroots and no one, you know, made
Speaker 1: the connection. But yeah, so I would purposely walk around
Speaker 1: wearing the glasses. It's interesting though for me that it
Speaker 1: began in a way in Scranton. For you, Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean it was suddenly I'm convention at the convention and
Speaker 1: you know, there's like ten thousand people there and they
Speaker 1: it's Wallace, and uh, I'm just so happy to be there.
Speaker 1: I'll I'm the last guy, like you know, with you,
Speaker 1: the last guy to leave the bar and you're serving
Speaker 1: drinks and having fun and talking to people and photos
Speaker 1: and everything else. I mean, because I'm a fan of all.
Speaker 1: That's like when I like when I met Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: during that time and I was a Dirty rock fan.
Speaker 1: I was so excited, you know there you know on Jack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Or if you meet whomever,
Speaker 1: you know, if you meet some movie star you have
Speaker 1: been a fan of, and it's, uh, it's it's it's fun,
Speaker 1: you know, Or a ball player or something like that.
Speaker 1: Um my favorite My favorite story is, uh, so my
Speaker 1: wife is an acting coach and she coaches off our
Speaker 1: garage and some people come to the front door. Normally
Speaker 1: they just like walk down the the driveway, and so,
Speaker 1: uh we we were were at home and I'm looking
Speaker 1: all scruffy, like the suck at David Wallace, and the
Speaker 1: doorbell rings and I know that she's she's this woman
Speaker 1: is coming. I answered the door and it's Courtney Love
Speaker 1: And she looked great, like she's in the suit, like
Speaker 1: she looks super put together, and and I said, oh, hey, um,
Speaker 1: Nancy's coming down hill, be back here, coming back and
Speaker 1: then wait in the back or whatever. And then Nancy
Speaker 1: comes down and they walk back to the studio. And
Speaker 1: I guess the first thing that Courtney says to my
Speaker 1: wife is like, why why is the guy from the
Speaker 1: office in your house? What is why is he? Which
Speaker 1: is just like you wouldn't necessarily picture her as as
Speaker 1: you know, but I guess her and in their their
Speaker 1: daughters love the show, like the people who are huge fans,
Speaker 1: like what Obama was watching it on the way to
Speaker 1: the inauguration, Like how crazy is that? It's pretty cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you most thankful for about doing the show?
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, I gave like I got
Speaker 1: to have an acting career, you know. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: the fact that Alison found that card that like given
Speaker 1: her that Mary Lynch Buckley, you know, and it was
Speaker 1: at the bottom of a file drawer. She's just like,
Speaker 1: I took me an hour to find this card Buckley.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. And um, and it's crazy because
Speaker 1: of the show. I'm in Jurassic World. Colin is a
Speaker 1: huge office fan. That's the only reason a minute, Like
Speaker 1: regular folks, guys who are making shows are huge fans
Speaker 1: and like, hey, let's get you know this guy right. Well.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the reasons that we're having this
Speaker 1: discussion with people is the show was the number one
Speaker 1: scripted show on NBC for a number of years. But
Speaker 1: you know, to a lot of us, the show is
Speaker 1: way bigger. Oh my god, it's huge. It's like the
Speaker 1: nub number of that and Friends of the two biggest
Speaker 1: shows in the world. I mean in London, it's certainly
Speaker 1: not what it is here, but I mean a couple
Speaker 1: of times a week, you know, some people say stuff
Speaker 1: and then certainly when the summer rolls around and you
Speaker 1: have all the US tourists there. But yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean I think you know all over the world they're
Speaker 1: they're watching it. You can get a table at a
Speaker 1: restaurant in Sydney, Australia. I bet just say it's Brian Bonker.
Speaker 1: Why do you think why do you think it has endured? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the performance of the guy that
Speaker 1: played Wallace. Um No. I mean, it's just exceptionally funny
Speaker 1: for one, and you have characters and like everybody has it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know some guys you're their favorite character,
Speaker 1: Rain Jim, you know Steve, and just that the heart
Speaker 1: that Steve has and brought to it, aside from just
Speaker 1: the crazy, great humor. So I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's probably and I mean the heart that Steve put
Speaker 1: into Michael Scott, even though he has all these potential negative,
Speaker 1: you know, traits, he just had this heart of gold,
Speaker 1: and I think that is also part of it, along
Speaker 1: with the comedy, and then just the sexual chemistry between
Speaker 1: Holly Flax and Kevin Malone. Well, sure that all right?
Speaker 1: Last thing I need you to say two things for me. Um.
Speaker 1: This is for oral identification. I'm Andy Buckley and I
Speaker 1: played David Wallace on the Office. I am Andy Buckley
Speaker 1: and I played David Wallace on The Office. Good say
Speaker 1: faster you. I'm Andy Buckley and I played David Wallace
Speaker 1: on the Office. Awesome, Andy, Thank you so much. You
Speaker 1: are wise, funny and exceptionally sexy. All Right, we good?
Speaker 1: Not only are we good? Great? We're good. Well. There
Speaker 1: you have it, folks. I guess he really is as
Speaker 1: funny in real life as he is on TV. All right,
Speaker 1: maybe I already knew that, but now you do too.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Andy, and thank all of you as always
Speaker 1: for tuning in. Make sure to come back next week
Speaker 1: to hear once again from everyone's favorite office heartthrob me
Speaker 1: now also John Krasinski. Have a fantastic week, everybody, and uh,
Speaker 1: I will see you. I will see you next time
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