WEBVTT - About Kid Cudi and What's To Come... 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:08.760 Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Didy Trial. Hello, everybody, 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.960 Welcome to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.920 did He Trial on TJ Holmes. Here alongside my partner, 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.599 my friend, my co host Amy Robok and we have 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.799 robes being gotten helped along the way in covering this 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.159 trial and getting some insights from Aubrey, of course, and 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.200 we're going to continue that now after what was the 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.760 last fool day of testimony we saw was one of 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.040 the most highly anticipated days because of one of the 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:37.639 most highly anticipated witnesses. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:38.120 That's right. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.200 We heard from rapper Kid Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.160 Ventura and he was on the stand there. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:46.839 The prosecution was hoping to. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.120 Corroborate what we heard from Cassie Ventura last week where 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.880 she detailed what she went through and Kit Cutty was 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.880 certainly there to witness some of it, and. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.000 He spilled what he saw to the jury. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.480 And Ariy, what did you make of Kid Cutty's testimony? 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.040 Do you think he helped the prosecution's case? 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:13.920 Absolutely, helped established rico, He established an organization. He discussed 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.440 that when he received a call that they were in 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:21.120 the home, that it was an accomplice. Another person with him, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.280 and also Capricorn, who was around during my time at 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.880 making the band. So three people were in the house 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.760 when he was called and told. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.160 That they were there. First off, got to say. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.000 Giving James Dean in the instrance into court, you know, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.959 smoking on a newpoort one hundred. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.600 You know, he's about to sit down and tell the 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.160 whole world what he knows. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.080 You know, what did you make of that? I don't 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:45.840 look he has his own style, his own thing. But 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.680 I looked up and saw it and I'm not sure 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.040 what it said to me, But what did it say 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.480 to you? Leather motorcycle jacket, white, Yeah, smoking a cigarette 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.320 going into this truck. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.720 It's very kid cutty. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.200 You know, he's not deviating from what he is who 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.760 he is, you know, it's very on brand in my opinion. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.760 He's kind of like this outlier in the music industry. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:13.160 He's experimental and he basically just looked like this was 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.000 you know, he was going to go up there and 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.200 say what he knew. He also admitted to being you know, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.520 industry colleagues with Ditty, you know, thinking that they were 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.440 cool and so to go through something like this to 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.680 the extent of, you know, traumatizing an animal, locking him away, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.720 breaking through all of the presents in his house that 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:39.679 were around, blowing up his car, and actually, prior to 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.240 even this testimony, even them announcing him on the list, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:50.200 I had had conversations with various people that did make 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.840 me aware of this situation. I was so curious how 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.080 you blow up a car. The Molotov cocktail was then 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.120 explained to me. I looked it up and learned what 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.799 it was and how one would make something like that. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.480 But I think that. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.079 It's alarming and what it mostly did for people that 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.680 aren't able to understand DV that that. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.120 You know, DV is a very intricate thing. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.840 It's very difficult for people to see some of Cassie's 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.000 testimony during the cross examination in regards to messages that 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.000 she sent, et cetera. If you can't understand how someone 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.679 could be groomed and programmed to, you know, want to 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.920 send specific things, in this case, sexualized conversation to get 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.480 somebody to pay attention to her. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:40.000 And like her. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.920 You can definitely understand kid Cutty leaving his home having 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.440 it not broken into which was a little bit of 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.120 a you know, not a win, but it was a 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.600 fight back with his defense team and cross examination. The 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.000 door was open to me, I don't know that that 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.280 establishes anything going into a home that doesn't belong to you, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.800 Whether the door is open or not, I'm not sure legally, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.800 what if that's still considered a break in? 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.720 To me, if it's not your house, it's a break in. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.240 I don't know what the actual legality is on that. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.680 But they did establish that his door was open, and 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.479 then they also established that there was no damage done 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.120 to the home. And they also established, which was interesting 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.520 to me, that do you think that you and Puff 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.159 both got played by Cassie? 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.600 And he did say yes, yeah, what do you? 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.640 I saw that too. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:34.600 I thought that was interesting. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.240 Was kid Cutty when you were there and you were 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.520 around with making the band and Cassie was there? 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.920 Did did did he have beefs with other rappers? 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.080 Is this a common thing you saw with him and 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.320 that Kid Cutty was just a part of it, obviously 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.760 because of Cassie Ventur But is this all on brand 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:52.720 for what you saw? 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.120 Definitely on brand with what I saw, and definitely on 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.040 brand with what we all saw in the nineties, I 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.400 mean Diddy, and beefing with other rappers has gone all 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.600 the way back to probably before this, but definitely very 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.960 known publicly with Tupac and Biggie. There were rap beefs 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.919 going on, there was shit being talked, there were threats 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.839 being made to both of those people unfortunately lost their lives. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.960 So you know, yes, there's always been this bravado of. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:33.800 Threats and threats of violence within within the hip hop 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.560 music industry. And I think that this is something a 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.120 bit different because it's not a rap beef. It's not 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.240 a beef amongst hip hop artists. This was a man 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.480 that was dating a woman that was no longer with 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.000 the guy, and it seems like this this really set 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.640 up force and coercion. If you couldn't understand why Cassie 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.960 didn't just get up and leave, and if you feel 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.520 she had a choice, and if you feel that you 0:05:59.640 --> 0:05:59.880 know she. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.400 Stuck around because she wanted to be there, and that 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.479 she she what didn't seem scared here here and here, well, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.280 this certainly clears it up for people. Sounds like a 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:10.360 pretty scary guy. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.720 If you ask me, whether you're talking to an established 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.720 artist like Kid Cutty or at a girlfriend like Cassie Ventura, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.600 It doesn't matter. There was threats of violence or violence 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.000 in both cases allegedly to your. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.960 Point that, yes, given what they're trying to build here 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.520 as a criminal enterprise, does that hurt? Yes, this stuff happened, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.120 But did they actually prove that Diddy was behind it? 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:35.120 Well? 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.920 I read in the testimony that he knew that they 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.160 were in his home because he received a call I 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.960 believe by Capricorn. Capricorn was around during my time. She 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.720 was one of the assistants that was very in the 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:56.240 know of the troubling details of Ditty's behavior. Capricorn another person, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.960 and Puff was the three names that I saw that 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.280 were rought to his house Capricorn against her will, is 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:02.839 what I read. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.800 That's establishing three people inside of his home. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.080 Yeah, their argument there was once Cuttie Kid cut he. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.000 Got there, they weren't there anymore. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.720 They weren't there, but a whole bunch of shit. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.440 In his house was fucked up. So who did that? 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:21.040 That made the outside pool guy the landscape artist? I 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:21.640 don't think so. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.280 See, we can piece it all together one percent. All 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.720 this stuff looks bad, but in the in the do 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.920 you get concerned that from a legal standpoint, we end 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.600 up all this looks bad and yeah, surely he was 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.480 involved with that, Like, yeah, we know he was, but 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.480 did they prove the case? 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.040 I think the prosecution is doing an incredible job at 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:47.520 carefully establishing elements. They're they're methodically going through testimony, and 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.320 they're leading us to the water. They're leading everybody to 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.800 the drink. We have to leave space and room to 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.880 understand that three people were named. Are we going to 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.320 see Capricorn on the stand? 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:00.720 I know she has a story. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.080 If you go back and look at her statement when 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.800 all of this occurred, it was something to the extent 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.560 on X She said something like. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.560 Basically, these people are horrific. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.160 They will act like they like you and then skin 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.840 you and wear your skin like it's the latest fashion. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:22.600 It was pretty damning the way that Capricorn sees the establishment. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.720 All right, And we Capricorn did call Kid Cutty from 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.280 Ditty's driveway to say that Diddy was inside the home, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.880 and of note, Diddy did not deny going into his home. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:33.360 So there's that. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.040 And isn't Capricorn on the list for potential witnesses for 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.319 the prosecution. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:40.560 I've heard she is, and. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:46.600 You know, she has a horrific story and when people 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.760 hear about it. If they hear about it, it's absolutely 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.559 going to work in the prosecution's favor in regards to 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.080 force coercion. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.079 And Rico, tell us. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.880 What you know about Capricorn. You said she was around 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.439 during your time, She was one of Ditty's assistants. What 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.560 do you know about her? What was your experience with her? 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.120 Capricorn was. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.480 So senior when we were around that she kind of 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.839 was in charge of sending us places, telling in scheduling. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.240 She was mostly doing higher level stuff with Ditty, but 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.680 we did see her a lot during making the band. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.680 It could be possible that she was abused herself. Well, 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.480 here is what the quote was from Capricorn. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.960 They will skin you and wear you, baby girl, then 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.000 pretend they never wanted the skin. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.439 Wow, can you and where you? 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.920 And then pretend they never wanted the skin. Capricorn has 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.760 a really crazy story. When the jury hears it, it's 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.600 going to be a bombshell. I don't know how much 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.640 she will be able to say because allegedly there was 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.000 a payment given, and I don't know how the legality 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.880 works on all of that. However, if she is able 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.959 to say exactly what happened to her, and I'd like 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.400 her to say who paid her allegedly, people are going 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:06.960 to be shook? 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.839 Are they making too much of And yes, it's a 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.439 fun headline to a certain degree. About cut he calling 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.599 did he a super villain? Said he looked like a 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.080 Marvel supervillain that got headlines. But beyond just a headline 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.280 and it maybe even being clickbait, how meaningful was that description? 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:35.880 In your opinion? 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.600 Anyone that knows Puff knows what that look is, knows 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.640 what that stance is, knows what that posturing is, and 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.000 also anyone that doesn't know him personally. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:53.400 His Halloween choices have been not Marvel, yes VC about 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.280 the same thing their competitors. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.240 He was out on the streets as the Joker after 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.360 being the Batman and being told not to please play 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.240 any of the characters within their franchise. He then took 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:10.280 on the Joker, ran around New York and was behaving 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.040 like he was terrorizing the street with that big Joker smile. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:21.520 He kind of lives for and embodies these these villain characters, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.720 even when it's times for dress up. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.920 Now, we didn't see it, but it was reported that 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.760 by several folks there were chuckles in the courtroom. I'm 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.080 not sure how exactly kid cut he delivered the line, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.800 maybe said it in a kind of a comedic way, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.319 but I was surprised. And were you to hear that 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:38.920 people actually found that funny. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.439 I mean, it's a little bit of levity in the 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.959 sense that, like, up until now, we've heard about just 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:53.199 monstrous abuse. We've heard about horrific sexual deeds all the 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.439 way to like filling someone's mouth with urine until they choke. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.040 I think letting people know that he looked like a 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.880 fucking marvel Ville and standing at the SOHO house is. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.120 Like a moment of levity for people because everything has 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.240 been so tense. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.439 And also, like I said, anyone that knows puff understands 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.600 what that stance and feeling is. Like I've always said, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.120 when I've been with you guys, all encompassing takes the 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.160 air out of the room when you walk in. That's 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.480 that Marvel stance, hands behind his back, waiting to see 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:32.720 what's up. It's very much that, it's very much ditty. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.800 I was gonna say, intimidating that that was what his 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.160 goal was to be intimidating. It sounds like. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.079 Sure intimidating, and also like I had moments of him 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:48.120 that were that were so scary, and then a second 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.360 later he would dap me up, so like he would 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.719 do something scary, and then he would be and I 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.000 would be scared, and then he would dap me up 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.040 and be like, but that was good, though, that was good, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:00.719 Keep it up, keep it up, then walk out. And 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.600 I would remember feeling confusion, like did I do something 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.120 good or bad? 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:07.400 Here? 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.400 In I liked or not liked the way that he 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:15.640 was able to switch energies within seconds. And you know, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.200 in one moment be like extremely scary and in another 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:26.600 moment be like dapping you up is very is very confusing. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.560 You start to not understand the mission that you came 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.120 in for. You start to get confused yourself. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.160 There is the relationship between Diddy and Cutty sound about 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.720 right in terms of from the outside Ditties as larger 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.199 than life character, but so much of what Cuddy was 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.480 talking about seemed like they were. He just saw him 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.400 as a contemporary, Right, we're fellows in this game. Did 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.800 he from what you know and from what you saw 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.400 on testimony, what was Keeddy's Cutty's level of comfort with 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.920 respect for and make maybe even fear of if there 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.400 was any of Diddy, even they were they were fellow rappers, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.760 if you will, Well, I. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.040 Don't know anyone that wouldn't fear someone who blew up 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.839 their car allegedly, you know what I'm saying, or was 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.320 even responsible for sending people over to blow up his car. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.200 It was said by Cassie that he said he was 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.680 going to do it. It was done. It's been established, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.760 you know, by that police report. We saw pictures. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.280 I think that life gets pretty real when you see 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.720 that things can get blown up when someone says they're 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.040 going to blow it up. You can be as like 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.520 cool and tough as you want to, but your car 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.520 being blown up is a bit scary. You know, you 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.560 could have been getting inside of it when the bomb 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:49.000 went off. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.120 Yeah, I can't even imagine. And Umbrey, I'm curious because 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.760 we've seen other folks come up and testify literally against 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.320 their will. His last assistant took the stand and took 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.680 the fifth because he didn't want to incriminate himself. He 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.240 did get immunity ultimately and then did testify. But my 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.120 point being that people are getting up on the stand 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.760 gleefully testifying against Diddy. They're not excited to go tell 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.440 the world what he did or what happened to them. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.480 They're very reticent, mainly possibly because they're concerned they could 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.320 be a part of this whole thing, but also it's 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.800 just this thing where you don't tell on each other, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.960 you don't rat on one another. Where do you think 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.880 kid CUTI fell in terms of getting up on that stand. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.120 Did it seem as though he wanted to be there, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.800 was good to be there, or this was something that 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.360 he was trying not to be a part of. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.680 I mean, listen, I know everybody loves their dogs differently 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.320 the life, the car being blown up in his life 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.240 that could have been inside of it when that occurred, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.440 the home being vandalized, and mostly the dog being traumatized 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:52.160 and locked up. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:54.800 I know how much I love my dogs. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.320 I would be pretty ready to get on that stand 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.440 unless somebody know how I felt. I think probably at 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.320 the time he says that he understood him to be 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.120 the person that did it, he kind of had to 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.120 brush off, didt He's oh no, what was me? 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:10.440 Man? 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.280 Everything's cool? 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.000 And then later on in twenty fifteen, Hey, sorry for 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.320 all that stuff that went down. You know, I think 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:22.400 that it shows how powerful and how many people to 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.040 very high levels of influence. We're just not trying to 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.320 cross Ditty in any type of way. It would not 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.960 be to your benefit. Potentially it could be to your demise. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.480 We are covering only a period of time in this trial. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:45.200 You got to remember the nineties. We're at making the 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.680 band era and after with dirty money. We haven't even 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.480 gone all the way back, but there are reports of 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.520 these things occurring by people that witness them long before 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:01.080 this window that the trial is addressing. So you know, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.080 back then, there weren't cell phones and things like that, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.720 so you can't easily get footage, text. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.639 Messages, communications. It's a bit harder to prove things. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.720 However, there has been allegations of a lot of things, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.240 and there has been direct witnesses to a lot of 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.400 things that have come forward and spoke on this exact 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.440 behavior going on. There were a lot of people that 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.080 understood this in the industry, and there were a lot 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.879 of people who did not come forward. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.480 Even kid Cutty himself. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.560 We're just now learning all of this, and he's a 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.320 very very he's your artist's favorite artist. I'm a huge 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.760 fan of Kid Cutty. You know, for him to not 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.879 come forward right away and let all of us know, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.360 you have to understand there's some element of I don't 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.119 want to say fear because I don't want to speak 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.359 for another human's emotions on something, but definitely knowledge that 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.400 this wouldn't be smart for me to discuss publicly. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.359 Why did they give us some context? Cassie, in the 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.239 middle of all of this relationship with Diddy ends up 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.679 going in dating Kid cutting for a month. Well, can 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.119 you give us any insights into what was going on 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.399 at the time. To watch she ends up in a 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.120 month long relationship and then is right back with Ditty. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:13.359 It seemed to. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.120 Happen all the time, that there would be these these 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.080 breakups and makeups, there would be these pauses and not 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.600 I mean, if you kind of look through everything in 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.679 chronological order. He also had to pay attention to other 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.960 girlfriends that were there, So maybe on a a week 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.639 where another girlfriend was getting attention, Cassie was. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.600 Maybe knew about it, was pissed. There was an argument, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:38.080 who knows? 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.600 I mean, we can only estimate, and it's you know, 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.480 we can only assume what went on but they clarified 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.720 that there wasn't a relationship at that time, and then 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:47.920 she fell for another guy. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.960 I mean, all we do in this industry is live in. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.800 Studios and record music. You meet all kinds of people, producers, artists. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.440 We're all in the same rooms late at night, early 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.520 in the morning, during the day whenever making music, and 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.520 so we're constantly running into each other and having connections 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:03.480 and vibes with each other. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.560 And so did he found out about the fact that 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.400 Cassie during a freakoff was seeing Kid Cutty. So that's 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.520 interesting they could be broken up and still be doing freakoffs. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.040 And then he finds an email where I. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:21.080 Believe Kid Cutty's assistant was emailing Cassie about a makeup bag, 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:26.040 a toiletry bag. Ye, So that was all commonplace and 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.880 even though they were broken up, they'd still be doing 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.160 these parties yep. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.560 So there commonplace is also him always having access to 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.399 her phones and knowing what's inside of them. That is 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:41.600 a common thread that even one of Cassie's writers that 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.879 worked with her for a majority of her career, a 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:49.840 woman named Tiffany Red, she even had the music she 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.520 was making with Cassie was taken out of her phone 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.840 at some point, and they had written a song about 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.480 the Freakoffs, and he found out and was pissed about it, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.639 and allegedly she was punished Accordingly, this being able to 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.639 access her phones and understand everything that's going on with 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.320 her is showing that he was always maintaining this control. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.040 And also even with Cassie's mom's testimony, she said he 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.080 even made her take out a twenty thousand dollars loan 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.639 because he was going to blackmail her and Cuddy and 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.600 release videos of Cassie, and the mom was scared enough 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.840 to go get put alone on her I believe home, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.159 against her home, and then he gave it back. I mean, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.119 we all know did He's not thirsty for twenty thousand dollars. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.760 That was a power play, and that was a game check. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.120 On someone's mother. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.800 What would you feel if someone did that to your mother. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.800 And then also the fact that everyone complied enough to 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.119 even go take out alone. That's an extensive degree of 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.720 putting your ass on the line. Of course you would 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.800 do it for your child, but that's the type of control, power, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:02.760 coercion force. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.680 All of these things were so present in all of 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:06.400 these stories. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.760 Everybody felt like they had to do what this man 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.720 wanted or there was going to be consequences that would 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:13.560 be extreme. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.880 What kind of impression does it give in the courtroom 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.760 to the jury. In particular, for Cutty to say that 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:26.000 Cassie played him and Cassie played Diddy, she was very 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.800 much so a victim, no matter what you think about 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.320 the case. Guilty, but everybody saw her be a victim. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.520 But for him to come out and say she played him, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:35.159 how does that? 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.320 It's likely that when they because at the Soho House, 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.200