Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Didy Trial. Hello, everybody,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the
Speaker 1: did He Trial on TJ Holmes. Here alongside my partner,
Speaker 1: my friend, my co host Amy Robok and we have
Speaker 1: robes being gotten helped along the way in covering this
Speaker 1: trial and getting some insights from Aubrey, of course, and
Speaker 1: we're going to continue that now after what was the
Speaker 1: last fool day of testimony we saw was one of
Speaker 1: the most highly anticipated days because of one of the
Speaker 1: most highly anticipated witnesses.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: We heard from rapper Kid Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie
Speaker 3: Ventura and he was on the stand there.
Speaker 2: The prosecution was hoping to.
Speaker 3: Corroborate what we heard from Cassie Ventura last week where
Speaker 3: she detailed what she went through and Kit Cutty was
Speaker 3: certainly there to witness some of it, and.
Speaker 2: He spilled what he saw to the jury.
Speaker 3: And Ariy, what did you make of Kid Cutty's testimony?
Speaker 3: Do you think he helped the prosecution's case?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, helped established rico, He established an organization. He discussed
Speaker 4: that when he received a call that they were in
Speaker 4: the home, that it was an accomplice. Another person with him,
Speaker 4: and also Capricorn, who was around during my time at
Speaker 4: making the band. So three people were in the house
Speaker 4: when he was called and told.
Speaker 2: That they were there. First off, got to say.
Speaker 4: Giving James Dean in the instrance into court, you know,
Speaker 4: smoking on a newpoort one hundred.
Speaker 2: You know, he's about to sit down and tell the
Speaker 2: whole world what he knows.
Speaker 1: You know, what did you make of that? I don't
Speaker 1: look he has his own style, his own thing. But
Speaker 1: I looked up and saw it and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what it said to me, But what did it say
Speaker 1: to you? Leather motorcycle jacket, white, Yeah, smoking a cigarette
Speaker 1: going into this truck.
Speaker 2: It's very kid cutty.
Speaker 4: You know, he's not deviating from what he is who
Speaker 4: he is, you know, it's very on brand in my opinion.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like this outlier in the music industry.
Speaker 4: He's experimental and he basically just looked like this was
Speaker 4: you know, he was going to go up there and
Speaker 4: say what he knew. He also admitted to being you know,
Speaker 4: industry colleagues with Ditty, you know, thinking that they were
Speaker 4: cool and so to go through something like this to
Speaker 4: the extent of, you know, traumatizing an animal, locking him away,
Speaker 4: breaking through all of the presents in his house that
Speaker 4: were around, blowing up his car, and actually, prior to
Speaker 4: even this testimony, even them announcing him on the list,
Speaker 4: I had had conversations with various people that did make
Speaker 4: me aware of this situation. I was so curious how
Speaker 4: you blow up a car. The Molotov cocktail was then
Speaker 4: explained to me. I looked it up and learned what
Speaker 4: it was and how one would make something like that.
Speaker 2: But I think that.
Speaker 4: It's alarming and what it mostly did for people that
Speaker 4: aren't able to understand DV that that.
Speaker 2: You know, DV is a very intricate thing.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult for people to see some of Cassie's
Speaker 4: testimony during the cross examination in regards to messages that
Speaker 4: she sent, et cetera. If you can't understand how someone
Speaker 4: could be groomed and programmed to, you know, want to
Speaker 4: send specific things, in this case, sexualized conversation to get
Speaker 4: somebody to pay attention to her.
Speaker 3: And like her.
Speaker 4: You can definitely understand kid Cutty leaving his home having
Speaker 4: it not broken into which was a little bit of
Speaker 4: a you know, not a win, but it was a
Speaker 4: fight back with his defense team and cross examination. The
Speaker 4: door was open to me, I don't know that that
Speaker 4: establishes anything going into a home that doesn't belong to you,
Speaker 4: Whether the door is open or not, I'm not sure legally,
Speaker 4: what if that's still considered a break in?
Speaker 2: To me, if it's not your house, it's a break in.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the actual legality is on that.
Speaker 4: But they did establish that his door was open, and
Speaker 4: then they also established that there was no damage done
Speaker 4: to the home. And they also established, which was interesting
Speaker 4: to me, that do you think that you and Puff
Speaker 4: both got played by Cassie?
Speaker 2: And he did say yes, yeah, what do you?
Speaker 3: I saw that too.
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Was kid Cutty when you were there and you were
Speaker 3: around with making the band and Cassie was there?
Speaker 2: Did did did he have beefs with other rappers?
Speaker 3: Is this a common thing you saw with him and
Speaker 3: that Kid Cutty was just a part of it, obviously
Speaker 3: because of Cassie Ventur But is this all on brand
Speaker 3: for what you saw?
Speaker 4: Definitely on brand with what I saw, and definitely on
Speaker 4: brand with what we all saw in the nineties, I
Speaker 4: mean Diddy, and beefing with other rappers has gone all
Speaker 4: the way back to probably before this, but definitely very
Speaker 4: known publicly with Tupac and Biggie. There were rap beefs
Speaker 4: going on, there was shit being talked, there were threats
Speaker 4: being made to both of those people unfortunately lost their lives.
Speaker 2: So you know, yes, there's always been this bravado of.
Speaker 4: Threats and threats of violence within within the hip hop
Speaker 4: music industry. And I think that this is something a
Speaker 4: bit different because it's not a rap beef. It's not
Speaker 4: a beef amongst hip hop artists. This was a man
Speaker 4: that was dating a woman that was no longer with
Speaker 4: the guy, and it seems like this this really set
Speaker 4: up force and coercion. If you couldn't understand why Cassie
Speaker 4: didn't just get up and leave, and if you feel
Speaker 4: she had a choice, and if you feel that you
Speaker 4: know she.
Speaker 2: Stuck around because she wanted to be there, and that
Speaker 2: she she what didn't seem scared here here and here, well,
Speaker 2: this certainly clears it up for people. Sounds like a
Speaker 2: pretty scary guy.
Speaker 4: If you ask me, whether you're talking to an established
Speaker 4: artist like Kid Cutty or at a girlfriend like Cassie Ventura,
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. There was threats of violence or violence
Speaker 4: in both cases allegedly to your.
Speaker 1: Point that, yes, given what they're trying to build here
Speaker 1: as a criminal enterprise, does that hurt? Yes, this stuff happened,
Speaker 1: But did they actually prove that Diddy was behind it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I read in the testimony that he knew that they
Speaker 4: were in his home because he received a call I
Speaker 4: believe by Capricorn. Capricorn was around during my time. She
Speaker 4: was one of the assistants that was very in the
Speaker 4: know of the troubling details of Ditty's behavior. Capricorn another person,
Speaker 4: and Puff was the three names that I saw that
Speaker 4: were rought to his house Capricorn against her will, is
Speaker 4: what I read.
Speaker 2: That's establishing three people inside of his home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their argument there was once Cuttie Kid cut he.
Speaker 2: Got there, they weren't there anymore.
Speaker 1: They weren't there, but a whole bunch of shit.
Speaker 2: In his house was fucked up. So who did that?
Speaker 2: That made the outside pool guy the landscape artist? I
Speaker 2: don't think so.
Speaker 1: See, we can piece it all together one percent. All
Speaker 1: this stuff looks bad, but in the in the do
Speaker 1: you get concerned that from a legal standpoint, we end
Speaker 1: up all this looks bad and yeah, surely he was
Speaker 1: involved with that, Like, yeah, we know he was, but
Speaker 1: did they prove the case?
Speaker 4: I think the prosecution is doing an incredible job at
Speaker 4: carefully establishing elements. They're they're methodically going through testimony, and
Speaker 4: they're leading us to the water. They're leading everybody to
Speaker 4: the drink. We have to leave space and room to
Speaker 4: understand that three people were named. Are we going to
Speaker 4: see Capricorn on the stand?
Speaker 2: I know she has a story.
Speaker 4: If you go back and look at her statement when
Speaker 4: all of this occurred, it was something to the extent
Speaker 4: on X She said something like.
Speaker 2: Basically, these people are horrific.
Speaker 4: They will act like they like you and then skin
Speaker 4: you and wear your skin like it's the latest fashion.
Speaker 4: It was pretty damning the way that Capricorn sees the establishment.
Speaker 3: All right, And we Capricorn did call Kid Cutty from
Speaker 3: Ditty's driveway to say that Diddy was inside the home,
Speaker 3: and of note, Diddy did not deny going into his home.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 3: And isn't Capricorn on the list for potential witnesses for
Speaker 3: the prosecution.
Speaker 2: I've heard she is, and.
Speaker 4: You know, she has a horrific story and when people
Speaker 4: hear about it. If they hear about it, it's absolutely
Speaker 4: going to work in the prosecution's favor in regards to
Speaker 4: force coercion.
Speaker 2: And Rico, tell us.
Speaker 3: What you know about Capricorn. You said she was around
Speaker 3: during your time, She was one of Ditty's assistants. What
Speaker 3: do you know about her? What was your experience with her?
Speaker 2: Capricorn was.
Speaker 4: So senior when we were around that she kind of
Speaker 4: was in charge of sending us places, telling in scheduling.
Speaker 4: She was mostly doing higher level stuff with Ditty, but
Speaker 4: we did see her a lot during making the band.
Speaker 2: It could be possible that she was abused herself. Well,
Speaker 2: here is what the quote was from Capricorn.
Speaker 3: They will skin you and wear you, baby girl, then
Speaker 3: pretend they never wanted the skin.
Speaker 2: Wow, can you and where you?
Speaker 4: And then pretend they never wanted the skin. Capricorn has
Speaker 4: a really crazy story. When the jury hears it, it's
Speaker 4: going to be a bombshell. I don't know how much
Speaker 4: she will be able to say because allegedly there was
Speaker 4: a payment given, and I don't know how the legality
Speaker 4: works on all of that. However, if she is able
Speaker 4: to say exactly what happened to her, and I'd like
Speaker 4: her to say who paid her allegedly, people are going
Speaker 4: to be shook?
Speaker 1: Are they making too much of And yes, it's a
Speaker 1: fun headline to a certain degree. About cut he calling
Speaker 1: did he a super villain? Said he looked like a
Speaker 1: Marvel supervillain that got headlines. But beyond just a headline
Speaker 1: and it maybe even being clickbait, how meaningful was that description?
Speaker 1: In your opinion?
Speaker 4: Anyone that knows Puff knows what that look is, knows
Speaker 4: what that stance is, knows what that posturing is, and
Speaker 4: also anyone that doesn't know him personally.
Speaker 2: His Halloween choices have been not Marvel, yes VC about
Speaker 2: the same thing their competitors.
Speaker 4: He was out on the streets as the Joker after
Speaker 4: being the Batman and being told not to please play
Speaker 4: any of the characters within their franchise. He then took
Speaker 4: on the Joker, ran around New York and was behaving
Speaker 4: like he was terrorizing the street with that big Joker smile.
Speaker 4: He kind of lives for and embodies these these villain characters,
Speaker 4: even when it's times for dress up.
Speaker 1: Now, we didn't see it, but it was reported that
Speaker 1: by several folks there were chuckles in the courtroom. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how exactly kid cut he delivered the line,
Speaker 1: maybe said it in a kind of a comedic way,
Speaker 1: but I was surprised. And were you to hear that
Speaker 1: people actually found that funny.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a little bit of levity in the
Speaker 4: sense that, like, up until now, we've heard about just
Speaker 4: monstrous abuse. We've heard about horrific sexual deeds all the
Speaker 4: way to like filling someone's mouth with urine until they choke.
Speaker 4: I think letting people know that he looked like a
Speaker 4: fucking marvel Ville and standing at the SOHO house is.
Speaker 2: Like a moment of levity for people because everything has
Speaker 2: been so tense.
Speaker 4: And also, like I said, anyone that knows puff understands
Speaker 4: what that stance and feeling is. Like I've always said,
Speaker 4: when I've been with you guys, all encompassing takes the
Speaker 4: air out of the room when you walk in. That's
Speaker 4: that Marvel stance, hands behind his back, waiting to see
Speaker 4: what's up. It's very much that, it's very much ditty.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, intimidating that that was what his
Speaker 3: goal was to be intimidating. It sounds like.
Speaker 4: Sure intimidating, and also like I had moments of him
Speaker 4: that were that were so scary, and then a second
Speaker 4: later he would dap me up, so like he would
Speaker 4: do something scary, and then he would be and I
Speaker 4: would be scared, and then he would dap me up
Speaker 4: and be like, but that was good, though, that was good,
Speaker 4: Keep it up, keep it up, then walk out. And
Speaker 4: I would remember feeling confusion, like did I do something
Speaker 4: good or bad?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 4: In I liked or not liked the way that he
Speaker 4: was able to switch energies within seconds. And you know,
Speaker 4: in one moment be like extremely scary and in another
Speaker 4: moment be like dapping you up is very is very confusing.
Speaker 4: You start to not understand the mission that you came
Speaker 4: in for. You start to get confused yourself.
Speaker 1: There is the relationship between Diddy and Cutty sound about
Speaker 1: right in terms of from the outside Ditties as larger
Speaker 1: than life character, but so much of what Cuddy was
Speaker 1: talking about seemed like they were. He just saw him
Speaker 1: as a contemporary, Right, we're fellows in this game. Did
Speaker 1: he from what you know and from what you saw
Speaker 1: on testimony, what was Keeddy's Cutty's level of comfort with
Speaker 1: respect for and make maybe even fear of if there
Speaker 1: was any of Diddy, even they were they were fellow rappers,
Speaker 1: if you will, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know anyone that wouldn't fear someone who blew up
Speaker 4: their car allegedly, you know what I'm saying, or was
Speaker 4: even responsible for sending people over to blow up his car.
Speaker 2: It was said by Cassie that he said he was
Speaker 2: going to do it. It was done. It's been established,
Speaker 2: you know, by that police report. We saw pictures.
Speaker 4: I think that life gets pretty real when you see
Speaker 4: that things can get blown up when someone says they're
Speaker 4: going to blow it up. You can be as like
Speaker 4: cool and tough as you want to, but your car
Speaker 4: being blown up is a bit scary. You know, you
Speaker 4: could have been getting inside of it when the bomb
Speaker 4: went off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even imagine. And Umbrey, I'm curious because
Speaker 3: we've seen other folks come up and testify literally against
Speaker 3: their will. His last assistant took the stand and took
Speaker 3: the fifth because he didn't want to incriminate himself. He
Speaker 3: did get immunity ultimately and then did testify. But my
Speaker 3: point being that people are getting up on the stand
Speaker 3: gleefully testifying against Diddy. They're not excited to go tell
Speaker 3: the world what he did or what happened to them.
Speaker 3: They're very reticent, mainly possibly because they're concerned they could
Speaker 3: be a part of this whole thing, but also it's
Speaker 3: just this thing where you don't tell on each other,
Speaker 3: you don't rat on one another. Where do you think
Speaker 3: kid CUTI fell in terms of getting up on that stand.
Speaker 3: Did it seem as though he wanted to be there,
Speaker 3: was good to be there, or this was something that
Speaker 3: he was trying not to be a part of.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I know everybody loves their dogs differently
Speaker 4: the life, the car being blown up in his life
Speaker 4: that could have been inside of it when that occurred,
Speaker 4: the home being vandalized, and mostly the dog being traumatized
Speaker 4: and locked up.
Speaker 2: I know how much I love my dogs.
Speaker 4: I would be pretty ready to get on that stand
Speaker 4: unless somebody know how I felt. I think probably at
Speaker 4: the time he says that he understood him to be
Speaker 4: the person that did it, he kind of had to
Speaker 4: brush off, didt He's oh no, what was me?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Everything's cool?
Speaker 4: And then later on in twenty fifteen, Hey, sorry for
Speaker 4: all that stuff that went down. You know, I think
Speaker 4: that it shows how powerful and how many people to
Speaker 4: very high levels of influence. We're just not trying to
Speaker 4: cross Ditty in any type of way. It would not
Speaker 4: be to your benefit. Potentially it could be to your demise.
Speaker 4: We are covering only a period of time in this trial.
Speaker 4: You got to remember the nineties. We're at making the
Speaker 4: band era and after with dirty money. We haven't even
Speaker 4: gone all the way back, but there are reports of
Speaker 4: these things occurring by people that witness them long before
Speaker 4: this window that the trial is addressing. So you know,
Speaker 4: back then, there weren't cell phones and things like that,
Speaker 4: so you can't easily get footage, text.
Speaker 2: Messages, communications. It's a bit harder to prove things.
Speaker 4: However, there has been allegations of a lot of things,
Speaker 4: and there has been direct witnesses to a lot of
Speaker 4: things that have come forward and spoke on this exact
Speaker 4: behavior going on. There were a lot of people that
Speaker 4: understood this in the industry, and there were a lot
Speaker 4: of people who did not come forward.
Speaker 2: Even kid Cutty himself.
Speaker 4: We're just now learning all of this, and he's a
Speaker 4: very very he's your artist's favorite artist. I'm a huge
Speaker 4: fan of Kid Cutty. You know, for him to not
Speaker 4: come forward right away and let all of us know,
Speaker 4: you have to understand there's some element of I don't
Speaker 4: want to say fear because I don't want to speak
Speaker 4: for another human's emotions on something, but definitely knowledge that
Speaker 4: this wouldn't be smart for me to discuss publicly.
Speaker 1: Why did they give us some context? Cassie, in the
Speaker 1: middle of all of this relationship with Diddy ends up
Speaker 1: going in dating Kid cutting for a month. Well, can
Speaker 1: you give us any insights into what was going on
Speaker 1: at the time. To watch she ends up in a
Speaker 1: month long relationship and then is right back with Ditty.
Speaker 2: It seemed to.
Speaker 4: Happen all the time, that there would be these these
Speaker 4: breakups and makeups, there would be these pauses and not
Speaker 4: I mean, if you kind of look through everything in
Speaker 4: chronological order. He also had to pay attention to other
Speaker 4: girlfriends that were there, So maybe on a a week
Speaker 4: where another girlfriend was getting attention, Cassie was.
Speaker 2: Maybe knew about it, was pissed. There was an argument,
Speaker 2: who knows?
Speaker 4: I mean, we can only estimate, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: we can only assume what went on but they clarified
Speaker 4: that there wasn't a relationship at that time, and then
Speaker 4: she fell for another guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, all we do in this industry is live in.
Speaker 4: Studios and record music. You meet all kinds of people, producers, artists.
Speaker 4: We're all in the same rooms late at night, early
Speaker 4: in the morning, during the day whenever making music, and
Speaker 4: so we're constantly running into each other and having connections
Speaker 4: and vibes with each other.
Speaker 3: And so did he found out about the fact that
Speaker 3: Cassie during a freakoff was seeing Kid Cutty. So that's
Speaker 3: interesting they could be broken up and still be doing freakoffs.
Speaker 2: And then he finds an email where I.
Speaker 3: Believe Kid Cutty's assistant was emailing Cassie about a makeup bag,
Speaker 3: a toiletry bag. Ye, So that was all commonplace and
Speaker 3: even though they were broken up, they'd still be doing
Speaker 3: these parties yep.
Speaker 4: So there commonplace is also him always having access to
Speaker 4: her phones and knowing what's inside of them. That is
Speaker 4: a common thread that even one of Cassie's writers that
Speaker 4: worked with her for a majority of her career, a
Speaker 4: woman named Tiffany Red, she even had the music she
Speaker 4: was making with Cassie was taken out of her phone
Speaker 4: at some point, and they had written a song about
Speaker 4: the Freakoffs, and he found out and was pissed about it,
Speaker 4: and allegedly she was punished Accordingly, this being able to
Speaker 4: access her phones and understand everything that's going on with
Speaker 4: her is showing that he was always maintaining this control.
Speaker 4: And also even with Cassie's mom's testimony, she said he
Speaker 4: even made her take out a twenty thousand dollars loan
Speaker 4: because he was going to blackmail her and Cuddy and
Speaker 4: release videos of Cassie, and the mom was scared enough
Speaker 4: to go get put alone on her I believe home,
Speaker 4: against her home, and then he gave it back. I mean,
Speaker 4: we all know did He's not thirsty for twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: That was a power play, and that was a game check.
Speaker 2: On someone's mother.
Speaker 4: What would you feel if someone did that to your mother.
Speaker 4: And then also the fact that everyone complied enough to
Speaker 4: even go take out alone. That's an extensive degree of
Speaker 4: putting your ass on the line. Of course you would
Speaker 4: do it for your child, but that's the type of control, power,
Speaker 4: coercion force.
Speaker 2: All of these things were so present in all of
Speaker 2: these stories.
Speaker 4: Everybody felt like they had to do what this man
Speaker 4: wanted or there was going to be consequences that would
Speaker 4: be extreme.
Speaker 1: What kind of impression does it give in the courtroom
Speaker 1: to the jury. In particular, for Cutty to say that
Speaker 1: Cassie played him and Cassie played Diddy, she was very
Speaker 1: much so a victim, no matter what you think about
Speaker 1: the case. Guilty, but everybody saw her be a victim.
Speaker 1: But for him to come out and say she played him,
Speaker 1: how does that?
Speaker 4: It's likely that when they because at the Soho House,
Speaker 4: Cassie was there, it was Diddy, Cassie and Cuddy. I
Speaker 4: also found it very interesting that the Soho House was chosen.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, if I'm Cutty, I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: go anywhere behind closed doors with a man, like a hotel,
Speaker 4: because we all know the hotels are like low key.
Speaker 4: Need to be addressed at how irresponsible they were with
Speaker 4: their behavior.
Speaker 2: All of them that have been announced.
Speaker 4: And then also so you know, I think that he
Speaker 4: wanted to be You know, if you guys have been
Speaker 4: to the Soho House, there's agents, managers, celebrities. You can't
Speaker 4: get in there until you have the magic key, like
Speaker 4: you got to be able to be somebody to.
Speaker 2: Be there, and the fact that they're taking a meeting.
Speaker 4: That's this dicey and uncomfortable in front of everybody, that
Speaker 4: could be Definitely everybody's looking at you in the Soho
Speaker 4: House if they're not a celebrity and they've gotten there
Speaker 4: some other way, they're they're spying, they're walking by, they're
Speaker 4: overhearing things. Yes, no phones, no phones, but I've taken
Speaker 4: pictures of Soho House, and I've taken pictures of things
Speaker 4: at Soho House, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: But either way, don't admit that you're never going to
Speaker 2: be a love back Listen. I don't ever want to
Speaker 2: go there. I don't want to be around any of
Speaker 2: any type of celebrity. Again, this trial has shown enough
Speaker 2: to the world that most things that you think are
Speaker 2: really grand and great come with a lot of dark
Speaker 2: shit behind them. But but anyway, so you know the
Speaker 2: fact that they chose to be there, I think it
Speaker 2: probably went a little something like and this is all
Speaker 2: just me alleging and assuming maybe Cassie took the fall
Speaker 2: in the conversation in regards to potentially saying like, you know,
Speaker 2: she didn't tell kid Cutty, she was still doing the
Speaker 2: stuff with Ditty. Maybe she still loved Ditty.
Speaker 4: Maybe she felt scared, like she couldn't say no to
Speaker 4: these situations or else he.
Speaker 2: Would blackmail them.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know the timeline of these things, but
Speaker 4: either way, I think maybe because we've seen her kind
Speaker 4: of like cater to these things that she doesn't want
Speaker 4: to do. But because maybe you know, she liked kid
Speaker 4: Cutty and they dated for a seg maybe she felt
Speaker 4: responsible and like she didn't want him to get in
Speaker 4: further harm of Puff and what she thought Puff was
Speaker 4: capable of. And it could have been something like, I
Speaker 4: didn't tell you I was talking to Puff.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell him I was talking to you.
Speaker 4: I was like, it could have been something like that,
Speaker 4: And I don't know that there wasn't like that force
Speaker 4: and coercion and fear at the helm of that.
Speaker 3: If that is the case, my goodness, and you mentioned
Speaker 3: the hotels. Can we talk about the hotels for a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: It was insane, by the way, It doesn't sound like
Speaker 4: he went and cleaned it all up himself afterward, And
Speaker 4: so far we haven't heard anyone take the stand that
Speaker 4: discussed having to clean it there. There are some people
Speaker 4: in the civil suits that had to clean up rooms.
Speaker 4: There was a guy that found I think.
Speaker 2: He said over a hundred razors.
Speaker 4: That's not a quote direct quote, but something around like
Speaker 4: hundreds of razor blades and blood and seamen on walls,
Speaker 4: on the ground everywhere. That was just the guy that
Speaker 4: rented the home out, like you know, not even AIRBNBA verbal,
Speaker 4: but a lot of times people with a lot of
Speaker 4: money go through private brokers to rent bigger homes for
Speaker 4: certain periods of time or certain events. There's been a
Speaker 4: lot of talk about how chaotic these rooms looked afterwards.
Speaker 4: I would like to know if anyone cleaning them had
Speaker 4: to make reports on that. I'm assuming that's policy.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Part of what was introduced into testimony was the notes
Speaker 3: that certain hotel rooms or certain hotels put underneath his name.
Speaker 3: It was his guest profile. Yeah, Frank Black was the
Speaker 3: profile he used.
Speaker 2: And also did you see the pills that.
Speaker 4: The guy who took the stand that did the raid,
Speaker 4: he had pictures. They showed pictures of items that they
Speaker 4: found during the raid. There was the two seed, which
Speaker 4: is pink cocaine. I only know that because the kids
Speaker 4: talk about it. My days of being a wild, free
Speaker 4: child are long over. But it actually was pink, which
Speaker 4: was kind of cool. Like I thought it was maybe
Speaker 4: given like rows or like you know when they say
Speaker 4: the pink sand beaches.
Speaker 2: But when you get there, they're not really technically pink.
Speaker 4: As much as they look and up you got a
Speaker 4: photoshop them of it. This cocaine was pink, Barbie pink
Speaker 4: in the picture. Then there was a bunch of prescription
Speaker 4: bottles of medicine and the name on them was Frank Black,
Speaker 4: one of the same names that they use. So we
Speaker 4: need to figure out who the doctors were they were
Speaker 4: prescribing medicine to Frank Black, because those people need to
Speaker 4: lose their license.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I'm sure a lot of complicit folks all
Speaker 3: around to have supported or at least allowed Diddy to
Speaker 3: do what he did or what he's alleged to have done.
Speaker 3: The notes, the hotel notes, I want to read these
Speaker 3: for you because they're quite specific. Always spills candle wax
Speaker 3: on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil, and then
Speaker 3: the note says, place the room out of order upon
Speaker 3: departure for deep cleaning. Also, please authorize an extra one
Speaker 3: thousand dollars when guest stays with us to cover any
Speaker 3: room damages. This was something that they knew he did repeatedly.
Speaker 3: This wasn't a one off where he went to different hotels.
Speaker 3: These hotels knew when he was coming and they knew
Speaker 3: what to expect. Certainly, this was something that happened, according
Speaker 3: to Cassie, even weakly often, which is blowing to me
Speaker 3: to have all of this prop and that to hear
Speaker 3: from his assistance. We've heard from two of them now
Speaker 3: talking about how they were basically in charge of creating
Speaker 3: the environment and making sure that everything he might need
Speaker 3: was there, and if they got it wrong, they faced
Speaker 3: his wrath.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting, I actually saw somebody in trial and
Speaker 4: the transcripts discuss one of the men, I think he
Speaker 4: was the punisher.
Speaker 2: He actually discussing electric candles.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting that you just said candle wax was everywhere,
Speaker 4: because I think probably they got sick of that thousand,
Speaker 4: extra thousand dollars deposit and switched over to the electric
Speaker 4: because then you're not going to get wax everywhere, but
Speaker 4: willing to pay.
Speaker 1: And the hotel. The hotel manager was on the stand
Speaker 1: on Thursday Lameritage in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's my favorite hotel. Don't say it.
Speaker 1: These are your folks. Lameritage was the manager's name. From
Speaker 1: your experience, does a place like this are they so
Speaker 1: happy willing to have that person in their establishment to
Speaker 1: have their money, that they're willing to put up with
Speaker 1: what they have to do every time he's there?
Speaker 2: I think maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't I love the hotel, it's my favorite hotel,
Speaker 4: but it also is a convenient place to put people
Speaker 4: if you need to get to them quickly and you
Speaker 4: want them on command for whatever behavior you may want
Speaker 4: them to partake in.
Speaker 3: I'm amazed, and you can speak to this army because
Speaker 3: you lived in this world with so many people involved
Speaker 3: in making sure for it. Sounds like years decades that
Speaker 3: did he had what he needed and could use who
Speaker 3: he wanted, and could trash what he wanted and could behave.
Speaker 3: How he did, how all these people were able to
Speaker 3: stay quiet, how he was able to be discreet, even
Speaker 3: though it sounds like it was anything, but.
Speaker 4: It goes back to a few things. I believe Perception
Speaker 4: is reality is what you said the other day on
Speaker 4: the podcast and Benjamin Kaplan.
Speaker 2: He said on stand he was a god among men.
Speaker 2: He was an icon.
Speaker 4: He was somebody that he was in awe of like
Speaker 4: these are. That is the way that a lot of
Speaker 4: people have seen him. That is the perception that he
Speaker 4: has been given. I mean, listen when they did this
Speaker 4: media blitz of when did he was coming back and
Speaker 4: he was getting a he was performing at one of
Speaker 4: the awards shows, and he was getting the Icon Honor
Speaker 4: and all of these things. He literally gets Icon honors.
Speaker 4: That's telling the world he's an icon. I mean, just
Speaker 4: right flat right there.
Speaker 2: We know what it is.
Speaker 4: But during that the first headline that kind of popped up,
Speaker 4: during his many great headlines into the future of what
Speaker 4: he was about to release, Release, which was a.
Speaker 2: Show on Hulu that was following his family and so
Speaker 2: on and so forth.
Speaker 4: He had a next big phase coming, like the nineties phase,
Speaker 4: like the may in the.
Speaker 2: Banded Air phase. He was going to have a new phase.
Speaker 2: He's great at getting.
Speaker 4: Young people, in my opinions, sucking the souls out of
Speaker 4: all of these people, not paying them at least in
Speaker 4: my experience, and ones before allegedly and then utilizing them
Speaker 4: to make him cool again. In the new era, and
Speaker 4: he kind of had this little thing going on that
Speaker 4: he was moving into a new girlfriend that was this
Speaker 4: time down for this swirl and publicly open that she
Speaker 4: just loves it all. And so maybe he was moving
Speaker 4: into the territory of understanding how much in the past
Speaker 4: there's been problems with.
Speaker 2: People that maybe didn't necessarily want to behave like that.
Speaker 4: He kind of started moving closer toward being open in
Speaker 4: that way. But also in all of that movement, I
Speaker 4: think that this headline came out that said he was
Speaker 4: giving all of these artists they're publishing back.
Speaker 2: I am one of the artists that is part of
Speaker 2: building a legacy over at Bad Boy. We have platinum albums.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of money, and it was before streaming.
Speaker 4: It was when you had to go into the store
Speaker 4: and pay seventeen ninety nine for the VIP album or
Speaker 4: fourteen ninety nine for the regular one. It's a lot
Speaker 4: of money that was generated and a lot of money
Speaker 4: that came in. And so that in all of that saying,
Speaker 4: I watched every single person release the headline that he's
Speaker 4: a benevolent soul. He's changed his ways. He has a
Speaker 4: reputation for not paying his artists. He's changed his ways.
Speaker 4: He's now giving back to all of the artists that
Speaker 4: built and propped up bad Boy, and he's going to
Speaker 4: now be pro artist. Everything is going back to all
Speaker 4: the people, even people during the Love album specifically, there's
Speaker 4: somebody that has a lawsuit against him that was not
Speaker 4: paid and that was that era. So even all the
Speaker 4: way up until that era, we're seeing the same behavior
Speaker 4: from him repositioned. Like you said, Amy, perception is reality.
Speaker 4: The new perception was this. The new perception was love.
Speaker 2: That was the new name.
Speaker 4: The new perception was dating a girl that likes the
Speaker 4: freaky stuff. So I don't have to have any problems
Speaker 4: with anything on the other side, potentially, like I've seen
Speaker 4: in the past, you know, allegedly, there was this whole
Speaker 4: kind of new era that he was walking into, and
Speaker 4: the start of it was he's giving all of his
Speaker 4: artists they're publishing back and that just was not true
Speaker 4: according to the contract that I received.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask, do you think that he
Speaker 3: changed his ways at all? From the time that you
Speaker 3: worked with him and knew him to the time that
Speaker 3: he was actually arrested. Was did you hear of anyone
Speaker 3: who was still in his circle or know of anyone
Speaker 3: who genuinely said he had evolved or at least amended
Speaker 3: his ways.
Speaker 2: So two things.
Speaker 4: When I got the giving the US are publishing back.
Speaker 4: You know, he put all of our publishing in his
Speaker 4: mother's name, so all the artists publishing is under Janis Combs.
Speaker 2: What beats me, TJ. So then when we get these
Speaker 2: the email from.
Speaker 4: Janis Comb's published associate, whatever it is, the emails are
Speaker 4: saying we're giving you your publishing back, doesn't say the amount,
Speaker 4: doesn't talk about the details, but does say that you're
Speaker 4: signing a full release on the man, everyone in his family,
Speaker 4: anyone that's ever managed, been their agent or label or representative,
Speaker 4: anyone that's ever represented them, them, them, and them, basically
Speaker 4: the entire.
Speaker 2: Industry a full release. And you can never disparage puff
Speaker 2: in public ever.
Speaker 4: Again, you can't talk about anything, you can't have a lawsuit,
Speaker 4: and you can't disparage in that contract. When I had
Speaker 4: my lawyer look into it, it was about like three
Speaker 4: hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: And thirteen cents. It was for when a new label
Speaker 2: took over our catalog for streaming in the past certain
Speaker 2: period of time that they've had our catalog, which, as
Speaker 2: you know, like a million streams is a penny. So
Speaker 2: and this isn't back in you know, two thousand and four, five.
Speaker 4: Six, when Danny Kane was having platinum sales, where we
Speaker 4: would have had, you know, ridiculous numbers on the streaming side,
Speaker 4: and so it was.
Speaker 2: It was a ruse.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even what it said it was.
Speaker 4: And when I learned that, my instinct was to feel,
Speaker 4: there's no way that he's reformed.
Speaker 2: Something's got to be up. That was just the instinct.
Speaker 2: And then when I looked into.
Speaker 4: It, I confirmed it based off of what it was
Speaker 4: asking from me versus what it was giving me. And
Speaker 4: there was, you know, the new label was attached to
Speaker 4: those ideas as well.
Speaker 2: That's troublesome for me.
Speaker 4: And then like I think I've said this to you
Speaker 4: guys before, but since he was arrested, we started to
Speaker 4: receive money.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, in more significant amounts than three hundred and thirteen.
Speaker 2: Dollars, much more.
Speaker 3: I was curious your reaction, Aubrey when we heard from
Speaker 3: one of his assistants who said that he was threatened
Speaker 3: to be fired at least once a month he worked
Speaker 3: for did He for fifteen months, worked a ninety hour
Speaker 3: to one hundred hour weeks and did everything in anything
Speaker 3: that did he wanted him to. And yet still at
Speaker 3: least once a month he was threatened to be fired.
Speaker 2: I thought of you, Aubrey, Oh yeah, oh my god, people,
Speaker 2: are you hear him threaten to fire someone? At least?
Speaker 2: Like you know, this is satiri, This.
Speaker 4: Is like satire kinda at least like thirty times a day.
Speaker 4: I mean I heard that so frequently. If you didn't
Speaker 4: want to do anything that he said, and not even
Speaker 4: if you didn't want to do it, if you tried
Speaker 4: your best and just weren't able to, there was a consequence.
Speaker 1: Even something as when we're talking about here Kaplin. He
Speaker 1: said he was sent to Whole Foods to get a
Speaker 1: gallon of water. They didn't have the gallon, but they
Speaker 1: had two half gallons. He brought that two half gallons,
Speaker 1: and did he threaten to fire It seems so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But to me, but to you, does that story is
Speaker 1: on about right?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I mean, Dave Chappelle has like done a famous git
Speaker 4: on making the band and it's outrageous and ridiculous and
Speaker 4: that's kind of how everybody knows the behavior to be
Speaker 4: to for people to think he's a god among men.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a god, a king. I can do
Speaker 2: anything I want.
Speaker 4: I remember one time, like in I believe Miami, he
Speaker 4: went on a rant when we were all running.
Speaker 2: Around for some basketball event. I believe we were all
Speaker 2: with him in.
Speaker 4: An suv or something, some kind of car, and he
Speaker 4: was going off on these tangents about being a king
Speaker 4: and riding on the backs of of of average men,
Speaker 4: and he.
Speaker 2: Can this, and he can that, and like these these
Speaker 2: like these.
Speaker 4: These big fascinations of being this king among men, this
Speaker 4: god among.
Speaker 2: Men, was very much the daily conversation.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just here and there or during a freak
Speaker 4: off or during threatening somebody.
Speaker 2: It was just daily for no reason. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I've asked you this.
Speaker 3: We've heard obviously, Cassie, and we've heard from other people
Speaker 3: saying that they were afraid, that they were afraid of Ditty.
Speaker 3: Were you ever afraid of him?
Speaker 2: A few times?
Speaker 4: I was never afraid of him to the point where
Speaker 4: I would have done anything sexual. If something happened to me,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have. I would have
Speaker 4: been drugged if something happened to me. Never would I
Speaker 4: consensually have done something with him in any situation that
Speaker 4: I was put in.
Speaker 2: I got the fuck out.
Speaker 3: What situation did you get put in where you had
Speaker 3: to get the fuck out?
Speaker 2: It'll layer on Netflix. You know. In the beginning, it
Speaker 2: was hard for me because I kind of looked at
Speaker 2: people that.
Speaker 4: Did, like, all right, we're different. But along the way
Speaker 4: in my life, I've seen myself take less and I
Speaker 4: know I am.
Speaker 2: Behave less.
Speaker 4: And I know I am because I loved somebody a
Speaker 4: lot and I wanted them to be happy with me.
Speaker 4: And the grooming and the messaging and the understanding from
Speaker 4: someone much older, was.
Speaker 2: I need this now? This wasn't what Diddy was asking of.
Speaker 2: This was something different.
Speaker 4: This was something that was more along the lines of
Speaker 4: something that wasn't out of my wheelhouse and wasn't something
Speaker 4: I would never do. But I do understand the psychology
Speaker 4: behind the thinking that people had in regards to this person,
Speaker 4: and if they happened to love him or happen to be,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to advance their career or themselves. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of victims, and every victim is not
Speaker 4: the same, and what their intentions are is not the same.
Speaker 4: It could be anything of many options, and I've seen
Speaker 4: many options amongst the people that I know. But I
Speaker 4: never felt scared enough to do anything sexually. But did
Speaker 4: I feel scared?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was he able to take it to the degree in
Speaker 4: which he claims multiple times all the time to people, which.
Speaker 2: Is fire me? Yeah? And it wasn't because I got
Speaker 2: the gallon of water wrong.
Speaker 1: I know we're just two weeks and just wrapped two
Speaker 1: full weeks of testimony. I should say, just your assessment
Speaker 1: now of which way it might be leaning. I know
Speaker 1: it's a long way to go, and that's the reason
Speaker 1: we do a full trial and defense still has to go.
Speaker 1: But how things are going? Is it leaning one way
Speaker 1: or another for you?
Speaker 4: After two weeks leaning toward prosecution? I think we're getting
Speaker 4: into rico now. I believe that possessing, possessing people across
Speaker 4: state lines, that's I think that's been that's cooked, that's
Speaker 4: in those those charges are done. I think that forcing
Speaker 4: coercion has really been established in these past couple of
Speaker 4: days with many other people, even though some people were
Speaker 4: in A person was inconsistent on the stand. Everyone else
Speaker 4: has been seeming to be pretty consistent.
Speaker 2: And I think that as you hear.
Speaker 4: Names like Mia, Capricorn, KK, a whole lot of people
Speaker 4: coming up. If those names are in there and these
Speaker 4: stories are taken all the way full circle, We've we've
Speaker 4: touched down on rico, We've touched down on trafficking. We
Speaker 4: have definitely accomplished possessing people and transporting them.
Speaker 2: So prosecutes doing a really strong job.
Speaker 4: Now, I do want to say the big question kind
Speaker 4: of looming in the air right now is does did
Speaker 4: he testify?
Speaker 2: Does he take the stand?
Speaker 4: As a child of a lawyer, and being around lawyers,
Speaker 4: my whole life, defense lawyer at this high of a
Speaker 4: level would absolutely tell you no.
Speaker 2: Buyn, no, don't do it.
Speaker 4: However, I thought it was interesting that they decided to respectfully.
Speaker 2: Not counter Cassie's mom. A lot of people are writing
Speaker 2: me like, Oh, Cassie's mom knew it, she said, and
Speaker 2: they had no defense.
Speaker 4: We all know that he's got the best lawyers in
Speaker 4: the game, and the defense a defense lawyer at this
Speaker 4: high of a level gets a whole lot of money.
Speaker 4: They are not here because they don't know how to
Speaker 4: counter any and everything, even the truth. They did that
Speaker 4: likely because they feel like there's some openings for them
Speaker 4: and they they can make it that something like that
Speaker 4: appear as respect for a mother, and as a jury member.
Speaker 2: You can see, Wow, they're not even going to go
Speaker 2: against a mother.
Speaker 4: And his mom is behind him, and they even look,
Speaker 4: his kids are behind him. This is a man that
Speaker 4: cares for people and has a respect level for somebody.
Speaker 4: Because we've kind of established it. He's a god among
Speaker 4: men in his head and he's made other people believe
Speaker 4: it as well. But I think possibly if he takes
Speaker 4: the stand, he's got to do a better job than
Speaker 4: he did in his first apology video. He's going to
Speaker 4: have to directly name Cassie and directly discuss kind of
Speaker 4: where he was at. He's going to have to establish
Speaker 4: this was a long time ago, he was a drug addict,
Speaker 4: this is not behavior that he currently.
Speaker 2: Exists in right now, etc. But if you look at.
Speaker 4: Any of the civil suits and you see the enormous
Speaker 4: destruction in the path of this man and also the
Speaker 4: whole team around him, that was a allowing all of
Speaker 4: the criminal criminal behavior behavior alleged criminal behavior to occur.
Speaker 2: And also.
Speaker 4: Everybody on the stand that's now basically aligning and coroborating force, coercion,
Speaker 4: people that were there and helping and brought places against
Speaker 4: their will, et cetera. It's all lining up pretty well
Speaker 4: for the prosecution putting him on the stand. I don't
Speaker 4: know that it will do anything except correct potentially one
Speaker 4: or two jurs fascination and belief that, like Amy said,
Speaker 4: perceptionist reality and maybe this guy is an icon to
Speaker 4: some of them deep down.
Speaker 2: We don't know. Put money on it, yeah, I mean right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we would. We would both bet that he
Speaker 2: won't testify.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll testify either if they.
Speaker 2: Feel that they're winning a tiny bit or that they've
Speaker 2: left some places open up, and we've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of character assassination, right, if they can correct that and
Speaker 2: they think that the prosecution leaned on that too much,
Speaker 2: there's a possibility.
Speaker 4: However, I obviously, like we discussed, it's never no lawyer
Speaker 4: would tell you to do it. He has gone against
Speaker 4: his lawyers in some of the bonds. When he was
Speaker 4: trying to get bailed out. He wanted videos posted up
Speaker 4: with the kids, etc.
Speaker 2: On his birthday. He did defy his lawyer's orders.
Speaker 4: You see his kids saying, hey, Dad, they told us
Speaker 4: not to do this, and him saying, fuck that, it's
Speaker 4: my birthday.
Speaker 2: So I don't know exactly what will happen, but one.
Speaker 4: Thing I did learn is at any point if the
Speaker 4: prosecution feels like they're very strong on let's say one, three,
Speaker 4: and four, but two and five are a bit weak.
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't expect to lose two people a
Speaker 4: Friday before Monday's trials start date. I don't think they
Speaker 4: expected witness too was going to come off so not credible.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people have corrected it since then.
Speaker 4: But if they feel like they haven't necessarily driven home
Speaker 4: any one point, which I'm not thinking they're going to
Speaker 4: at this point, because I think they're going to come
Speaker 4: forward with the people that I've discussed, could close up
Speaker 4: all these gaps. But if they do feel weak, they
Speaker 4: can give him a plea deal at any point prior
Speaker 4: to the jury coming back in, and the trier will
Speaker 4: be done and what the jury feels won't matter. So
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like that at this high of
Speaker 4: a level, with this big of a person, with this
Speaker 4: highest stakes on the line. But learning that made me
Speaker 4: realize politics mirror entertainment a good amount, and we've seen
Speaker 4: some stuff politically lately that was mind blowing.
Speaker 2: So maybe over in entertainment.
Speaker 4: It's a possibility because he's the mind blowing things as well.
Speaker 4: That's a very rare chance, but it is a possibility
Speaker 4: they can do that if they decide to.
Speaker 3: Well, there are we've already had a lot of mind
Speaker 3: blowing testimony. We still have a few weeks left on
Speaker 3: the prosecution's case, so there's a lot more that we
Speaker 3: will be anticipating and certainly dissecting. But Aubrey O'Day the
Speaker 3: perfect person to lend the most incredible perspective to what
Speaker 3: we're seeing there in the courtroom here with us, and
Speaker 3: we will all be together for the next several weeks.
Speaker 3: What we got maybe five six weeks left. The prosecution
Speaker 3: says it's running on time, if anything, a little bit
Speaker 3: ahead of schedule. So Aubrey, thank you as always for
Speaker 3: being with us as we go over everything that's happening
Speaker 3: with the ditty trial.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys,