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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Didy Trial. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the

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Speaker 1: did He Trial on TJ Holmes. Here alongside my partner,

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Speaker 1: my friend, my co host Amy Robok and we have

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Speaker 1: robes being gotten helped along the way in covering this

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Speaker 1: trial and getting some insights from Aubrey, of course, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue that now after what was the

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Speaker 1: last fool day of testimony we saw was one of

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Speaker 1: the most highly anticipated days because of one of the

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Speaker 1: most highly anticipated witnesses.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We heard from rapper Kid Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie

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Speaker 3: Ventura and he was on the stand there.

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Speaker 2: The prosecution was hoping to.

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Speaker 3: Corroborate what we heard from Cassie Ventura last week where

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Speaker 3: she detailed what she went through and Kit Cutty was

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Speaker 3: certainly there to witness some of it, and.

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Speaker 2: He spilled what he saw to the jury.

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Speaker 3: And Ariy, what did you make of Kid Cutty's testimony?

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Speaker 3: Do you think he helped the prosecution's case?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, helped established rico, He established an organization. He discussed

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Speaker 4: that when he received a call that they were in

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Speaker 4: the home, that it was an accomplice. Another person with him,

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Speaker 4: and also Capricorn, who was around during my time at

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Speaker 4: making the band. So three people were in the house

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Speaker 4: when he was called and told.

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Speaker 2: That they were there. First off, got to say.

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Speaker 4: Giving James Dean in the instrance into court, you know,

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Speaker 4: smoking on a newpoort one hundred.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's about to sit down and tell the

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Speaker 2: whole world what he knows.

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Speaker 1: You know, what did you make of that? I don't

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Speaker 1: look he has his own style, his own thing. But

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Speaker 1: I looked up and saw it and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what it said to me, But what did it say

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Speaker 1: to you? Leather motorcycle jacket, white, Yeah, smoking a cigarette

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Speaker 1: going into this truck.

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Speaker 2: It's very kid cutty.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not deviating from what he is who

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Speaker 4: he is, you know, it's very on brand in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: He's kind of like this outlier in the music industry.

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Speaker 4: He's experimental and he basically just looked like this was

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Speaker 4: you know, he was going to go up there and

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Speaker 4: say what he knew. He also admitted to being you know,

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Speaker 4: industry colleagues with Ditty, you know, thinking that they were

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Speaker 4: cool and so to go through something like this to

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Speaker 4: the extent of, you know, traumatizing an animal, locking him away,

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Speaker 4: breaking through all of the presents in his house that

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Speaker 4: were around, blowing up his car, and actually, prior to

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Speaker 4: even this testimony, even them announcing him on the list,

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Speaker 4: I had had conversations with various people that did make

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Speaker 4: me aware of this situation. I was so curious how

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Speaker 4: you blow up a car. The Molotov cocktail was then

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Speaker 4: explained to me. I looked it up and learned what

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Speaker 4: it was and how one would make something like that.

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Speaker 2: But I think that.

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Speaker 4: It's alarming and what it mostly did for people that

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Speaker 4: aren't able to understand DV that that.

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Speaker 2: You know, DV is a very intricate thing.

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Speaker 4: It's very difficult for people to see some of Cassie's

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Speaker 4: testimony during the cross examination in regards to messages that

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Speaker 4: she sent, et cetera. If you can't understand how someone

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Speaker 4: could be groomed and programmed to, you know, want to

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Speaker 4: send specific things, in this case, sexualized conversation to get

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Speaker 4: somebody to pay attention to her.

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Speaker 3: And like her.

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Speaker 4: You can definitely understand kid Cutty leaving his home having

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Speaker 4: it not broken into which was a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a you know, not a win, but it was a

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Speaker 4: fight back with his defense team and cross examination. The

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Speaker 4: door was open to me, I don't know that that

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Speaker 4: establishes anything going into a home that doesn't belong to you,

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Speaker 4: Whether the door is open or not, I'm not sure legally,

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Speaker 4: what if that's still considered a break in?

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Speaker 2: To me, if it's not your house, it's a break in.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the actual legality is on that.

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Speaker 4: But they did establish that his door was open, and

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Speaker 4: then they also established that there was no damage done

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Speaker 4: to the home. And they also established, which was interesting

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Speaker 4: to me, that do you think that you and Puff

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Speaker 4: both got played by Cassie?

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Speaker 2: And he did say yes, yeah, what do you?

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Speaker 3: I saw that too.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 3: Was kid Cutty when you were there and you were

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Speaker 2: Did did did he have beefs with other rappers?

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Speaker 3: Is this a common thing you saw with him and

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Speaker 3: that Kid Cutty was just a part of it, obviously

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Speaker 3: because of Cassie Ventur But is this all on brand

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Speaker 4: Definitely on brand with what I saw, and definitely on

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Speaker 4: brand with what we all saw in the nineties, I

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Speaker 4: mean Diddy, and beefing with other rappers has gone all

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Speaker 4: the way back to probably before this, but definitely very

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Speaker 4: known publicly with Tupac and Biggie. There were rap beefs

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Speaker 4: going on, there was shit being talked, there were threats

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Speaker 4: being made to both of those people unfortunately lost their lives.

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Speaker 2: So you know, yes, there's always been this bravado of.

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Speaker 4: Threats and threats of violence within within the hip hop

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Speaker 4: music industry. And I think that this is something a

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Speaker 4: bit different because it's not a rap beef. It's not

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Speaker 4: a beef amongst hip hop artists. This was a man

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Speaker 4: that was dating a woman that was no longer with

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Speaker 4: the guy, and it seems like this this really set

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Speaker 4: up force and coercion. If you couldn't understand why Cassie

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Speaker 4: didn't just get up and leave, and if you feel

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Speaker 4: she had a choice, and if you feel that you

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Speaker 4: know she.

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Speaker 2: Stuck around because she wanted to be there, and that

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Speaker 2: she she what didn't seem scared here here and here, well,

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Speaker 2: this certainly clears it up for people. Sounds like a

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Speaker 2: pretty scary guy.

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Speaker 4: If you ask me, whether you're talking to an established

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Speaker 4: artist like Kid Cutty or at a girlfriend like Cassie Ventura,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. There was threats of violence or violence

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Speaker 4: in both cases allegedly to your.

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Speaker 1: Point that, yes, given what they're trying to build here

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Speaker 1: as a criminal enterprise, does that hurt? Yes, this stuff happened,

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Speaker 1: But did they actually prove that Diddy was behind it?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I read in the testimony that he knew that they

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Speaker 4: were in his home because he received a call I

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Speaker 4: believe by Capricorn. Capricorn was around during my time. She

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Speaker 4: was one of the assistants that was very in the

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Speaker 4: know of the troubling details of Ditty's behavior. Capricorn another person,

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Speaker 4: and Puff was the three names that I saw that

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Speaker 4: were rought to his house Capricorn against her will, is

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Speaker 2: That's establishing three people inside of his home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their argument there was once Cuttie Kid cut he.

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Speaker 2: Got there, they weren't there anymore.

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Speaker 1: They weren't there, but a whole bunch of shit.

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Speaker 2: In his house was fucked up. So who did that?

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Speaker 2: That made the outside pool guy the landscape artist? I

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Speaker 2: don't think so.

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Speaker 1: See, we can piece it all together one percent. All

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Speaker 1: this stuff looks bad, but in the in the do

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Speaker 1: you get concerned that from a legal standpoint, we end

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Speaker 1: up all this looks bad and yeah, surely he was

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Speaker 1: involved with that, Like, yeah, we know he was, but

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Speaker 1: did they prove the case?

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Speaker 4: I think the prosecution is doing an incredible job at

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Speaker 4: carefully establishing elements. They're they're methodically going through testimony, and

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Speaker 4: they're leading us to the water. They're leading everybody to

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Speaker 4: the drink. We have to leave space and room to

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Speaker 4: understand that three people were named. Are we going to

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Speaker 4: see Capricorn on the stand?

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Speaker 2: I know she has a story.

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Speaker 4: If you go back and look at her statement when

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Speaker 4: all of this occurred, it was something to the extent

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Speaker 4: on X She said something like.

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Speaker 2: Basically, these people are horrific.

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Speaker 4: They will act like they like you and then skin

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Speaker 4: you and wear your skin like it's the latest fashion.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty damning the way that Capricorn sees the establishment.

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Speaker 3: All right, And we Capricorn did call Kid Cutty from

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Speaker 3: Ditty's driveway to say that Diddy was inside the home,

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Speaker 3: and of note, Diddy did not deny going into his home.

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Speaker 1: So there's that.

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Speaker 3: And isn't Capricorn on the list for potential witnesses for

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Speaker 3: the prosecution.

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Speaker 2: I've heard she is, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, she has a horrific story and when people

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Speaker 4: hear about it. If they hear about it, it's absolutely

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Speaker 4: going to work in the prosecution's favor in regards to

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Speaker 4: force coercion.

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Speaker 2: And Rico, tell us.

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Speaker 3: What you know about Capricorn. You said she was around

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Speaker 3: during your time, She was one of Ditty's assistants. What

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Speaker 3: do you know about her? What was your experience with her?

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Speaker 2: Capricorn was.

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Speaker 4: So senior when we were around that she kind of

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Speaker 4: was in charge of sending us places, telling in scheduling.

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Speaker 4: She was mostly doing higher level stuff with Ditty, but

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Speaker 4: we did see her a lot during making the band.

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Speaker 2: It could be possible that she was abused herself. Well,

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Speaker 2: here is what the quote was from Capricorn.

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Speaker 3: They will skin you and wear you, baby girl, then

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Speaker 3: pretend they never wanted the skin.

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Speaker 2: Wow, can you and where you?

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Speaker 4: And then pretend they never wanted the skin. Capricorn has

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Speaker 4: a really crazy story. When the jury hears it, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be a bombshell. I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: she will be able to say because allegedly there was

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Speaker 4: a payment given, and I don't know how the legality

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Speaker 4: works on all of that. However, if she is able

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Speaker 4: to say exactly what happened to her, and I'd like

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Speaker 4: her to say who paid her allegedly, people are going

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Speaker 4: to be shook?

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Speaker 1: Are they making too much of And yes, it's a

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Speaker 1: fun headline to a certain degree. About cut he calling

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Speaker 1: did he a super villain? Said he looked like a

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Speaker 1: Marvel supervillain that got headlines. But beyond just a headline

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Speaker 1: and it maybe even being clickbait, how meaningful was that description?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion?

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Speaker 4: Anyone that knows Puff knows what that look is, knows

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Speaker 4: what that stance is, knows what that posturing is, and

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Speaker 4: also anyone that doesn't know him personally.

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Speaker 2: His Halloween choices have been not Marvel, yes VC about

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Speaker 2: the same thing their competitors.

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Speaker 4: He was out on the streets as the Joker after

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Speaker 4: being the Batman and being told not to please play

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Speaker 4: any of the characters within their franchise. He then took

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Speaker 4: on the Joker, ran around New York and was behaving

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Speaker 4: like he was terrorizing the street with that big Joker smile.

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Speaker 4: He kind of lives for and embodies these these villain characters,

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Speaker 4: even when it's times for dress up.

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Speaker 1: Now, we didn't see it, but it was reported that

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Speaker 1: by several folks there were chuckles in the courtroom. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how exactly kid cut he delivered the line,

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Speaker 1: maybe said it in a kind of a comedic way,

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Speaker 1: but I was surprised. And were you to hear that

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Speaker 1: people actually found that funny.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a little bit of levity in the

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Speaker 4: sense that, like, up until now, we've heard about just

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Speaker 4: monstrous abuse. We've heard about horrific sexual deeds all the

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Speaker 4: way to like filling someone's mouth with urine until they choke.

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Speaker 4: I think letting people know that he looked like a

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Speaker 4: fucking marvel Ville and standing at the SOHO house is.

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Speaker 1: There is the relationship between Diddy and Cutty sound about

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Speaker 4: Don't know anyone that wouldn't fear someone who blew up

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Speaker 4: I think that life gets pretty real when you see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even imagine. And Umbrey, I'm curious because

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Speaker 3: They're very reticent, mainly possibly because they're concerned they could

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I know everybody loves their dogs differently

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Speaker 4: I would be pretty ready to get on that stand

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Speaker 4: And then later on in twenty fifteen, Hey, sorry for

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Speaker 4: very high levels of influence. We're just not trying to

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Speaker 4: cross Ditty in any type of way. It would not

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Speaker 4: be to your benefit. Potentially it could be to your demise.

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Speaker 4: We are covering only a period of time in this trial.

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Speaker 4: You got to remember the nineties. We're at making the

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Speaker 4: band era and after with dirty money. We haven't even

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Speaker 2: Messages, communications. It's a bit harder to prove things.

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Speaker 4: However, there has been allegations of a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: Even kid Cutty himself.

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Speaker 4: We're just now learning all of this, and he's a

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Speaker 4: very very he's your artist's favorite artist. I'm a huge

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Speaker 4: fan of Kid Cutty. You know, for him to not

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Speaker 4: you have to understand there's some element of I don't

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Speaker 4: want to say fear because I don't want to speak

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Speaker 1: Why did they give us some context? Cassie, in the

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Speaker 2: It seemed to.

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Speaker 4: Happen all the time, that there would be these these

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you kind of look through everything in

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Speaker 2: Maybe knew about it, was pissed. There was an argument,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we can only estimate, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, all we do in this industry is live in.

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Speaker 3: And so did he found out about the fact that

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Speaker 3: interesting they could be broken up and still be doing freakoffs.

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Speaker 2: And then he finds an email where I.

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Speaker 3: Believe Kid Cutty's assistant was emailing Cassie about a makeup bag,

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Speaker 3: a toiletry bag. Ye, So that was all commonplace and

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Speaker 4: So there commonplace is also him always having access to

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Speaker 4: at some point, and they had written a song about

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Speaker 4: the Freakoffs, and he found out and was pissed about it,

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Speaker 4: And also even with Cassie's mom's testimony, she said he

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Speaker 4: because he was going to blackmail her and Cuddy and

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Speaker 4: That was a power play, and that was a game check.

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Speaker 2: On someone's mother.

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Speaker 4: What would you feel if someone did that to your mother.

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Speaker 4: And then also the fact that everyone complied enough to

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Speaker 2: All of these things were so present in all of

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Speaker 4: Everybody felt like they had to do what this man

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Speaker 1: What kind of impression does it give in the courtroom

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Speaker 4: It's likely that when they because at the Soho House,

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Speaker 4: because we all know the hotels are like low key.

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Speaker 4: Need to be addressed at how irresponsible they were with

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Speaker 2: All of them that have been announced.

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Speaker 4: And then also so you know, I think that he

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Speaker 2: Be there, and the fact that they're taking a meeting.

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Speaker 4: That's this dicey and uncomfortable in front of everybody, that

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Speaker 4: some other way, they're they're spying, they're walking by, they're

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Speaker 4: overhearing things. Yes, no phones, no phones, but I've taken

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Speaker 4: pictures of Soho House, and I've taken pictures of things

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Speaker 2: But either way, don't admit that you're never going to

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Speaker 2: go there. I don't want to be around any of

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Speaker 2: any type of celebrity. Again, this trial has shown enough

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Speaker 4: Maybe she felt scared, like she couldn't say no to

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Speaker 2: Would blackmail them.

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Speaker 4: Again, I don't know the timeline of these things, but

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Speaker 4: to do. But because maybe you know, she liked kid

442
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 4: Cutty and they dated for a seg maybe she felt

443
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: responsible and like she didn't want him to get in

444
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 4: further harm of Puff and what she thought Puff was

445
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: capable of. And it could have been something like, I

446
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: didn't tell you I was talking to Puff.

447
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: I didn't tell him I was talking to you.

448
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 4: I was like, it could have been something like that,

449
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 4: And I don't know that there wasn't like that force

450
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 4: and coercion and fear at the helm of that.

451
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: If that is the case, my goodness, and you mentioned

452
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: the hotels. Can we talk about the hotels for a

453
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 3: little bit.

454
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: It was insane, by the way, It doesn't sound like

455
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: he went and cleaned it all up himself afterward, And

456
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 4: so far we haven't heard anyone take the stand that

457
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 4: discussed having to clean it there. There are some people

458
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: in the civil suits that had to clean up rooms.

459
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 4: There was a guy that found I think.

460
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: He said over a hundred razors.

461
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: That's not a quote direct quote, but something around like

462
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: hundreds of razor blades and blood and seamen on walls,

463
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: on the ground everywhere. That was just the guy that

464
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: rented the home out, like you know, not even AIRBNBA verbal,

465
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: but a lot of times people with a lot of

466
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 4: money go through private brokers to rent bigger homes for

467
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: certain periods of time or certain events. There's been a

468
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: lot of talk about how chaotic these rooms looked afterwards.

469
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 4: I would like to know if anyone cleaning them had

470
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: to make reports on that. I'm assuming that's policy.

471
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: Well.

472
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: Part of what was introduced into testimony was the notes

473
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: that certain hotel rooms or certain hotels put underneath his name.

474
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: It was his guest profile. Yeah, Frank Black was the

475
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: profile he used.

476
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: And also did you see the pills that.

477
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: The guy who took the stand that did the raid,

478
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: he had pictures. They showed pictures of items that they

479
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 4: found during the raid. There was the two seed, which

480
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: is pink cocaine. I only know that because the kids

481
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: talk about it. My days of being a wild, free

482
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: child are long over. But it actually was pink, which

483
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: was kind of cool. Like I thought it was maybe

484
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 4: given like rows or like you know when they say

485
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: the pink sand beaches.

486
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: But when you get there, they're not really technically pink.

487
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: As much as they look and up you got a

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 4: photoshop them of it. This cocaine was pink, Barbie pink

489
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 4: in the picture. Then there was a bunch of prescription

490
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: bottles of medicine and the name on them was Frank Black,

491
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: one of the same names that they use. So we

492
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 4: need to figure out who the doctors were they were

493
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: prescribing medicine to Frank Black, because those people need to

494
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 4: lose their license.

495
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I'm sure a lot of complicit folks all

496
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: around to have supported or at least allowed Diddy to

497
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: do what he did or what he's alleged to have done.

498
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: The notes, the hotel notes, I want to read these

499
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: for you because they're quite specific. Always spills candle wax

500
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil, and then

501
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: the note says, place the room out of order upon

502
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: departure for deep cleaning. Also, please authorize an extra one

503
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 3: thousand dollars when guest stays with us to cover any

504
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: room damages. This was something that they knew he did repeatedly.

505
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: This wasn't a one off where he went to different hotels.

506
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 3: These hotels knew when he was coming and they knew

507
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: what to expect. Certainly, this was something that happened, according

508
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: to Cassie, even weakly often, which is blowing to me

509
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: to have all of this prop and that to hear

510
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: from his assistance. We've heard from two of them now

511
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: talking about how they were basically in charge of creating

512
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: the environment and making sure that everything he might need

513
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: was there, and if they got it wrong, they faced

514
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: his wrath.

515
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

516
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: And what's interesting, I actually saw somebody in trial and

517
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: the transcripts discuss one of the men, I think he

518
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: was the punisher.

519
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: He actually discussing electric candles.

520
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: And it's interesting that you just said candle wax was everywhere,

521
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: because I think probably they got sick of that thousand,

522
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: extra thousand dollars deposit and switched over to the electric

523
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: because then you're not going to get wax everywhere, but

524
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: willing to pay.

525
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: And the hotel. The hotel manager was on the stand

526
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: on Thursday Lameritage in Beverly Hills.

527
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's my favorite hotel. Don't say it.

528
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: These are your folks. Lameritage was the manager's name. From

529
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: your experience, does a place like this are they so

530
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: happy willing to have that person in their establishment to

531
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: have their money, that they're willing to put up with

532
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: what they have to do every time he's there?

533
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: I think maybe I don't know.

534
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: I don't I love the hotel, it's my favorite hotel,

535
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: but it also is a convenient place to put people

536
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: if you need to get to them quickly and you

537
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: want them on command for whatever behavior you may want

538
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: them to partake in.

539
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm amazed, and you can speak to this army because

540
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: you lived in this world with so many people involved

541
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: in making sure for it. Sounds like years decades that

542
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: did he had what he needed and could use who

543
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: he wanted, and could trash what he wanted and could behave.

544
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: How he did, how all these people were able to

545
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: stay quiet, how he was able to be discreet, even

546
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: though it sounds like it was anything, but.

547
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: It goes back to a few things. I believe Perception

548
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: is reality is what you said the other day on

549
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: the podcast and Benjamin Kaplan.

550
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: He said on stand he was a god among men.

551
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: He was an icon.

552
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: He was somebody that he was in awe of like

553
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: these are. That is the way that a lot of

554
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: people have seen him. That is the perception that he

555
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: has been given. I mean, listen when they did this

556
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: media blitz of when did he was coming back and

557
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: he was getting a he was performing at one of

558
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: the awards shows, and he was getting the Icon Honor

559
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: and all of these things. He literally gets Icon honors.

560
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: That's telling the world he's an icon. I mean, just

561
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: right flat right there.

562
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: We know what it is.

563
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: But during that the first headline that kind of popped up,

564
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: during his many great headlines into the future of what

565
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: he was about to release, Release, which was a.

566
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Show on Hulu that was following his family and so

567
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: on and so forth.

568
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: He had a next big phase coming, like the nineties phase,

569
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: like the may in the.

570
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Banded Air phase. He was going to have a new phase.

571
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: He's great at getting.

572
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: Young people, in my opinions, sucking the souls out of

573
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: all of these people, not paying them at least in

574
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: my experience, and ones before allegedly and then utilizing them

575
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: to make him cool again. In the new era, and

576
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: he kind of had this little thing going on that

577
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: he was moving into a new girlfriend that was this

578
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: time down for this swirl and publicly open that she

579
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: just loves it all. And so maybe he was moving

580
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: into the territory of understanding how much in the past

581
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: there's been problems with.

582
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: People that maybe didn't necessarily want to behave like that.

583
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 4: He kind of started moving closer toward being open in

584
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: that way. But also in all of that movement, I

585
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: think that this headline came out that said he was

586
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: giving all of these artists they're publishing back.

587
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: I am one of the artists that is part of

588
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: building a legacy over at Bad Boy. We have platinum albums.

589
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: That's a lot of money, and it was before streaming.

590
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: It was when you had to go into the store

591
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: and pay seventeen ninety nine for the VIP album or

592
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: fourteen ninety nine for the regular one. It's a lot

593
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: of money that was generated and a lot of money

594
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: that came in. And so that in all of that saying,

595
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: I watched every single person release the headline that he's

596
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: a benevolent soul. He's changed his ways. He has a

597
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: reputation for not paying his artists. He's changed his ways.

598
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: He's now giving back to all of the artists that

599
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: built and propped up bad Boy, and he's going to

600
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: now be pro artist. Everything is going back to all

601
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: the people, even people during the Love album specifically, there's

602
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 4: somebody that has a lawsuit against him that was not

603
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: paid and that was that era. So even all the

604
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: way up until that era, we're seeing the same behavior

605
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: from him repositioned. Like you said, Amy, perception is reality.

606
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: The new perception was this. The new perception was love.

607
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: That was the new name.

608
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: The new perception was dating a girl that likes the

609
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: freaky stuff. So I don't have to have any problems

610
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: with anything on the other side, potentially, like I've seen

611
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: in the past, you know, allegedly, there was this whole

612
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: kind of new era that he was walking into, and

613
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: the start of it was he's giving all of his

614
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: artists they're publishing back and that just was not true

615
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: according to the contract that I received.

616
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: I was going to ask, do you think that he

617
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: changed his ways at all? From the time that you

618
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: worked with him and knew him to the time that

619
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: he was actually arrested. Was did you hear of anyone

620
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: who was still in his circle or know of anyone

621
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: who genuinely said he had evolved or at least amended

622
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: his ways.

623
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: So two things.

624
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: When I got the giving the US are publishing back.

625
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: You know, he put all of our publishing in his

626
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: mother's name, so all the artists publishing is under Janis Combs.

627
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: What beats me, TJ. So then when we get these

628
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: the email from.

629
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 4: Janis Comb's published associate, whatever it is, the emails are

630
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: saying we're giving you your publishing back, doesn't say the amount,

631
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: doesn't talk about the details, but does say that you're

632
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: signing a full release on the man, everyone in his family,

633
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: anyone that's ever managed, been their agent or label or representative,

634
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: anyone that's ever represented them, them, them, and them, basically

635
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: the entire.

636
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: Industry a full release. And you can never disparage puff

637
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: in public ever.

638
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: Again, you can't talk about anything, you can't have a lawsuit,

639
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: and you can't disparage in that contract. When I had

640
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: my lawyer look into it, it was about like three

641
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: hundred dollars.

642
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 2: And thirteen cents. It was for when a new label

643
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: took over our catalog for streaming in the past certain

644
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: period of time that they've had our catalog, which, as

645
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: you know, like a million streams is a penny. So

646
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: and this isn't back in you know, two thousand and four, five.

647
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: Six, when Danny Kane was having platinum sales, where we

648
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: would have had, you know, ridiculous numbers on the streaming side,

649
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: and so it was.

650
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: It was a ruse.

651
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: It was.

652
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't even what it said it was.

653
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: And when I learned that, my instinct was to feel,

654
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: there's no way that he's reformed.

655
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: Something's got to be up. That was just the instinct.

656
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: And then when I looked into.

657
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: It, I confirmed it based off of what it was

658
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: asking from me versus what it was giving me. And

659
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: there was, you know, the new label was attached to

660
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: those ideas as well.

661
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: That's troublesome for me.

662
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: And then like I think I've said this to you

663
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 4: guys before, but since he was arrested, we started to

664
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: receive money.

665
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: That's interesting, in more significant amounts than three hundred and thirteen.

666
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: Dollars, much more.

667
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: I was curious your reaction, Aubrey when we heard from

668
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: one of his assistants who said that he was threatened

669
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: to be fired at least once a month he worked

670
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: for did He for fifteen months, worked a ninety hour

671
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: to one hundred hour weeks and did everything in anything

672
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: that did he wanted him to. And yet still at

673
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 3: least once a month he was threatened to be fired.

674
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: I thought of you, Aubrey, Oh yeah, oh my god, people,

675
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: are you hear him threaten to fire someone? At least?

676
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: Like you know, this is satiri, This.

677
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: Is like satire kinda at least like thirty times a day.

678
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 4: I mean I heard that so frequently. If you didn't

679
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: want to do anything that he said, and not even

680
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: if you didn't want to do it, if you tried

681
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: your best and just weren't able to, there was a consequence.

682
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Even something as when we're talking about here Kaplin. He

683
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: said he was sent to Whole Foods to get a

684
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: gallon of water. They didn't have the gallon, but they

685
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: had two half gallons. He brought that two half gallons,

686
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: and did he threaten to fire It seems so ridiculous.

687
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: But to me, but to you, does that story is

688
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: on about right?

689
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

690
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: I mean, Dave Chappelle has like done a famous git

691
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: on making the band and it's outrageous and ridiculous and

692
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of how everybody knows the behavior to be

693
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: to for people to think he's a god among men.

694
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a god, a king. I can do

695
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: anything I want.

696
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: I remember one time, like in I believe Miami, he

697
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: went on a rant when we were all running.

698
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: Around for some basketball event. I believe we were all

699
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: with him in.

700
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: An suv or something, some kind of car, and he

701
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: was going off on these tangents about being a king

702
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: and riding on the backs of of of average men,

703
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: and he.

704
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: Can this, and he can that, and like these these

705
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: like these.

706
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: These big fascinations of being this king among men, this

707
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: god among.

708
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: Men, was very much the daily conversation.

709
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: It wasn't just here and there or during a freak

710
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: off or during threatening somebody.

711
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: It was just daily for no reason. I don't know

712
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: that I've asked you this.

713
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: We've heard obviously, Cassie, and we've heard from other people

714
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: saying that they were afraid, that they were afraid of Ditty.

715
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: Were you ever afraid of him?

716
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: A few times?

717
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 4: I was never afraid of him to the point where

718
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: I would have done anything sexual. If something happened to me,

719
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have. I would have

720
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: been drugged if something happened to me. Never would I

721
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: consensually have done something with him in any situation that

722
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: I was put in.

723
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: I got the fuck out.

724
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: What situation did you get put in where you had

725
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: to get the fuck out?

726
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: It'll layer on Netflix. You know. In the beginning, it

727
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: was hard for me because I kind of looked at

728
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: people that.

729
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: Did, like, all right, we're different. But along the way

730
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: in my life, I've seen myself take less and I

731
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: know I am.

732
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: Behave less.

733
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: And I know I am because I loved somebody a

734
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: lot and I wanted them to be happy with me.

735
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: And the grooming and the messaging and the understanding from

736
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: someone much older, was.

737
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: I need this now? This wasn't what Diddy was asking of.

738
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: This was something different.

739
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 4: This was something that was more along the lines of

740
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 4: something that wasn't out of my wheelhouse and wasn't something

741
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 4: I would never do. But I do understand the psychology

742
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: behind the thinking that people had in regards to this person,

743
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: and if they happened to love him or happen to be,

744
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: you know, trying to advance their career or themselves. You know,

745
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: there's a lot of victims, and every victim is not

746
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: the same, and what their intentions are is not the same.

747
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 4: It could be anything of many options, and I've seen

748
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: many options amongst the people that I know. But I

749
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: never felt scared enough to do anything sexually. But did

750
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: I feel scared?

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: Yes?

752
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 4: Was he able to take it to the degree in

753
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: which he claims multiple times all the time to people, which.

754
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Is fire me? Yeah? And it wasn't because I got

755
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: the gallon of water wrong.

756
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: I know we're just two weeks and just wrapped two

757
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: full weeks of testimony. I should say, just your assessment

758
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: now of which way it might be leaning. I know

759
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: it's a long way to go, and that's the reason

760
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: we do a full trial and defense still has to go.

761
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: But how things are going? Is it leaning one way

762
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: or another for you?

763
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 4: After two weeks leaning toward prosecution? I think we're getting

764
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: into rico now. I believe that possessing, possessing people across

765
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: state lines, that's I think that's been that's cooked, that's

766
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: in those those charges are done. I think that forcing

767
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: coercion has really been established in these past couple of

768
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: days with many other people, even though some people were

769
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 4: in A person was inconsistent on the stand. Everyone else

770
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: has been seeming to be pretty consistent.

771
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: And I think that as you hear.

772
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: Names like Mia, Capricorn, KK, a whole lot of people

773
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: coming up. If those names are in there and these

774
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: stories are taken all the way full circle, We've we've

775
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: touched down on rico, We've touched down on trafficking. We

776
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: have definitely accomplished possessing people and transporting them.

777
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: So prosecutes doing a really strong job.

778
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: Now, I do want to say the big question kind

779
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: of looming in the air right now is does did

780
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: he testify?

781
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: Does he take the stand?

782
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 4: As a child of a lawyer, and being around lawyers,

783
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: my whole life, defense lawyer at this high of a

784
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: level would absolutely tell you no.

785
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: Buyn, no, don't do it.

786
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: However, I thought it was interesting that they decided to respectfully.

787
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: Not counter Cassie's mom. A lot of people are writing

788
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: me like, Oh, Cassie's mom knew it, she said, and

789
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: they had no defense.

790
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: We all know that he's got the best lawyers in

791
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: the game, and the defense a defense lawyer at this

792
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: high of a level gets a whole lot of money.

793
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 4: They are not here because they don't know how to

794
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: counter any and everything, even the truth. They did that

795
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 4: likely because they feel like there's some openings for them

796
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: and they they can make it that something like that

797
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: appear as respect for a mother, and as a jury member.

798
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: You can see, Wow, they're not even going to go

799
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: against a mother.

800
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: And his mom is behind him, and they even look,

801
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: his kids are behind him. This is a man that

802
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 4: cares for people and has a respect level for somebody.

803
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: Because we've kind of established it. He's a god among

804
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: men in his head and he's made other people believe

805
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: it as well. But I think possibly if he takes

806
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: the stand, he's got to do a better job than

807
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: he did in his first apology video. He's going to

808
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: have to directly name Cassie and directly discuss kind of

809
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: where he was at. He's going to have to establish

810
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 4: this was a long time ago, he was a drug addict,

811
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: this is not behavior that he currently.

812
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 2: Exists in right now, etc. But if you look at.

813
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: Any of the civil suits and you see the enormous

814
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: destruction in the path of this man and also the

815
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: whole team around him, that was a allowing all of

816
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: the criminal criminal behavior behavior alleged criminal behavior to occur.

817
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: And also.

818
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: Everybody on the stand that's now basically aligning and coroborating force, coercion,

819
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: people that were there and helping and brought places against

820
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: their will, et cetera. It's all lining up pretty well

821
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: for the prosecution putting him on the stand. I don't

822
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: know that it will do anything except correct potentially one

823
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: or two jurs fascination and belief that, like Amy said,

824
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: perceptionist reality and maybe this guy is an icon to

825
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: some of them deep down.

826
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: We don't know. Put money on it, yeah, I mean right, Yeah,

827
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: I think we would. We would both bet that he

828
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: won't testify.

829
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

830
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll testify either if they.

831
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: Feel that they're winning a tiny bit or that they've

832
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: left some places open up, and we've seen a lot

833
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: of character assassination, right, if they can correct that and

834
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: they think that the prosecution leaned on that too much,

835
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: there's a possibility.

836
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: However, I obviously, like we discussed, it's never no lawyer

837
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: would tell you to do it. He has gone against

838
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 4: his lawyers in some of the bonds. When he was

839
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: trying to get bailed out. He wanted videos posted up

840
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: with the kids, etc.

841
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: On his birthday. He did defy his lawyer's orders.

842
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: You see his kids saying, hey, Dad, they told us

843
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: not to do this, and him saying, fuck that, it's

844
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: my birthday.

845
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know exactly what will happen, but one.

846
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: Thing I did learn is at any point if the

847
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 4: prosecution feels like they're very strong on let's say one, three,

848
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 4: and four, but two and five are a bit weak.

849
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't expect to lose two people a

850
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: Friday before Monday's trials start date. I don't think they

851
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 4: expected witness too was going to come off so not credible.

852
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people have corrected it since then.

853
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: But if they feel like they haven't necessarily driven home

854
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: any one point, which I'm not thinking they're going to

855
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: at this point, because I think they're going to come

856
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: forward with the people that I've discussed, could close up

857
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: all these gaps. But if they do feel weak, they

858
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 4: can give him a plea deal at any point prior

859
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: to the jury coming back in, and the trier will

860
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: be done and what the jury feels won't matter. So

861
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like that at this high of

862
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: a level, with this big of a person, with this

863
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: highest stakes on the line. But learning that made me

864
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: realize politics mirror entertainment a good amount, and we've seen

865
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: some stuff politically lately that was mind blowing.

866
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: So maybe over in entertainment.

867
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: It's a possibility because he's the mind blowing things as well.

868
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: That's a very rare chance, but it is a possibility

869
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: they can do that if they decide to.

870
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: Well, there are we've already had a lot of mind

871
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: blowing testimony. We still have a few weeks left on

872
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: the prosecution's case, so there's a lot more that we

873
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: will be anticipating and certainly dissecting. But Aubrey O'Day the

874
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: perfect person to lend the most incredible perspective to what

875
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: we're seeing there in the courtroom here with us, and

876
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: we will all be together for the next several weeks.

877
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: What we got maybe five six weeks left. The prosecution

878
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: says it's running on time, if anything, a little bit

879
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: ahead of schedule. So Aubrey, thank you as always for

880
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: being with us as we go over everything that's happening

881
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: with the ditty trial.

882
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: Thanks guys,