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Speaker 1: Love a cold War story, and our our classic episode

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Speaker 1: today has everything you would expect from a story of

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Speaker 1: Cold War conspiracies back in the nineteen eighties, a story

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Speaker 1: that doesn't get repeated very often now both Russian and

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Speaker 1: US sources, we're all like, all very befuddled and apparently

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Speaker 1: just terrified that non state actors had a new dangerous

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Speaker 1: sort of substance in their tool kit. That's right, red mercury,

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Speaker 1: not to be confused with red Sonya, which I believe

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Speaker 1: is also Cold War adjacent, or yellow cake. This is

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Speaker 1: not yellow cake, but is it related? Let's find out.

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. My name

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Speaker 1: is Matt, my name is Ben. You are you that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff? They don't want you to know. Our

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Speaker 1: compatriot Knol is away from the moment, but never fear

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Speaker 1: he will return. And meanwhile we are joined by our

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Speaker 1: super producer Tristan big Red McNeil, Big Red McNeil. That's right,

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Speaker 1: he's hanging out. Oh he gave us an approving nod.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's he's your tepid about it? Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's like a sideways thumb Little Red. Maybe. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody wants to be called little Red, little though

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Speaker 1: little Yeah? What about young Red? Yeah, yep, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's the one. Uh. Well, this nickname that we are

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Speaker 1: assigning is not just out of the blue or out

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Speaker 1: of the red, as you would say. In this case,

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Speaker 1: it pertains to this episode in in a weird, foreshadowy way. So, Matt,

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Speaker 1: you drive, right, I do all the time, drive most

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Speaker 1: most days, Yeah, almost every single day. And you are

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Speaker 1: driving on inner States probably yep, those are the one

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Speaker 1: the states. Yes, yes, yeah. If you've ever been on

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Speaker 1: and Nol, then you've seen trucks or other vehicles hauling

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Speaker 1: has matt or hazardous materials. These could be anything from

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Speaker 1: toxic chemicals used in manufacturing two explosives are just really

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Speaker 1: messed up waste. In most countries, the transport and storage

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Speaker 1: of this stuff is extensively regulated because you know that

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Speaker 1: it is dangerous. It most certainly is. And in the

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Speaker 1: United States, for example, the FEDS, the government, the old

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Speaker 1: big g it divides these hazardous materials into several different

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Speaker 1: categories nine to be exact. You'll find explosives, gases, flammable

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Speaker 1: and combustible liquids. Those are all kind of lumped together there.

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Speaker 1: You've got flammable solids. Now this includes things that would

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Speaker 1: You've got oxidizers and organic peroxides poison, that's the toxic

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Speaker 1: sign that you've seen. The old is that the skull

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Speaker 1: it's kind of pushed together into a you know, this

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Speaker 1: generally dangerous, which that could be so many different things.

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Speaker 1: But all of the materials that are grouped in these

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Speaker 1: It's not just a bunch of people with a weird hobby,

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Speaker 1: not that mad, Max. Yeah. All those middle school science

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Speaker 1: short lived threat. You may recognize this from some recent

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Speaker 1: of course other things. We're barely scratching the poisonous surface

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Speaker 1: to weaponized or dangerous substances, there is one substance that

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Speaker 1: the purported criteria. Right. There's a red form of mercury

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00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: that's very toxic, but it's not explosive. There's a red

427
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: colored or of mercury, mercuric sulfide sinambar, which is toxic

428
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: but not explosive. There's mercury fulminate, which is shocked, sensitive

429
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: and explosive, and it's been used in some ammunition cartridges. Uh.

430
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of other things. There was

431
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: one there was one substance, dimethyl mercury that was considered

432
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: briefly as a rocket fuel in the nineteen fifties, but

433
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: chemical companies who supplied test materials were not messing around

434
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: with it. So none of the mercury compounds none, All

435
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: caps in O any have that have some sort of

436
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: partial red mercury property can be the actual red mercury.

437
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: And that hasn't stopped people from having theories and describing it.

438
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: So we can tell you a little bit about what

439
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the Soviets thought it was used for. Yeah. Back in

440
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: according to quote Soviet sources, this red mercury had a

441
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: street name called mercuric stypic heptoxid, which is a fun

442
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: thing to say. This stuff is super conductive and allegedly

443
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: it's used to produce high precision conventional and nuclear bomb explosives.

444
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: It could also make stealth surfaces, which is you know,

445
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, uh, and also to make self

446
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: guided warheads. And let's let's just reiterate that. Yeah, convention

447
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: all and nuclear bombs, stealth surfaces, self guided warhead can do.

448
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: Those are also three very different things, right, and the

449
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: properties that read mercury is typically assigned are some of

450
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: the most common parts of the description of this substance.

451
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: It's what is called Ballow technic, which is just that,

452
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, a fancy way of saying it produces immense

453
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: pressure when ignited. However, when combined with other claims about

454
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: red mercury's capabilities, it sounds more and more like a

455
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: work of science fiction with an emphasis on fiction too

456
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: good to be true. Right, So, in addition to releasing

457
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: massive pressure, this stuff is also strongly insensitive to shock

458
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: or fire. That strongly resistant is a better way to

459
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: say it. So you know, you could substitute rend and stimpy,

460
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: you could substitute you could take the log song and

461
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: the syllables don't work out. And if you put red

462
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: mercury in there, you know, you can do all that

463
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: stuff with red mercury and it still wouldn't explode. But

464
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: despite this durability, it apparently has a very fast ignition

465
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: rate that seems contradictory. It does doesn't end again extremely

466
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: high energy density. It's very difficult to identify a class

467
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: of substances that has all of these qualities, sort of

468
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: a silver bullet Holy Grail situation, and that we should

469
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: say that that none of us on this team are

470
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: chemist by trade, and we're neither physicists. Yeah, we might

471
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: be physicist by hobby, but wait, are you a physicist?

472
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm interested in it. I'll read a book

473
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: about physics. I definitely um deal with physics on a

474
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: second delie basis. I mean, I'm not, you know, planning

475
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: to hunt black holes anytime soon, darn it. You know,

476
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't get in Internet arguments with Stephen Hawkins yet.

477
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: And he's probably brutal. I don't know it. Yeah, but

478
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's got a good heart. Absolutely,

479
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: he's got a good heart. There. Here's something else. Remember

480
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: we mentioned the nuclear physicist speaking of physicist H. Frank

481
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: Barnaby earlier. Uh, he worked at the Atomic Weapons Establishment

482
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and he claims that there are

483
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: evidence that the show turned out vast quantities of mercury

484
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: antimony oxide, the intermediate and equally elusive compound from which

485
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: red mercury is supposedly produced by placing it inside a

486
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: nuclear reactor. There's no doubt they made a large amount

487
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I've talked to chemists who have analyzed

488
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: it in Eis to Germany. But what they did with it,

489
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: he says, he's a mystery. Oh I like this guy.

490
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: Let's bring him back for some things. So what are

491
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: people saying about this stuff? Man? So some people think

492
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: that the intermediate compound, the one that Frank there is

493
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of discussing, could actually multiply the yield of an explosion.

494
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: So if you if you take this and use it

495
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: inside a conventional let's say a nuclear warhead or rocket

496
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: or something, it would work as a fuel additive. Which

497
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's interesting that that you could use that,

498
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: I guess for that purpose, just to just to increase

499
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: the yield. I guess that's the idea, you make it stronger.

500
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: And others say, the compound was I radiated at the

501
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: core of a nuclear reactor to produce pure red mercury,

502
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: and this stuff would be capable exploding with enough heat

503
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: and pressure to act as a trigger inside a briefcase

504
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: sized fusion bomb. So your red mercury in this case

505
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: would just be the thing that makes the reaction occur, right, right,

506
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: The instigator in the crowd of nuclear reactions. There are

507
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: massive problems with this stuff though, Yeah, all right, First,

508
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: the story changes often reports red mercury don't seem to

509
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: be consistent and in any substantive way other than this

510
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: stuff is powerful bad guys wanted. According to experts like Barnaby,

511
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: even if the substance was discovered, it wouldn't be that useful.

512
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: And according to experts like Barnaby, the guy we keep

513
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: talking about, even if this stuff was real, it really

514
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that useful. And we have another quote for terrorists,

515
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: it would offer no significant advantages over an ordinary high

516
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: explosive or if they wanted a dirty bomb a radioactive

517
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: source to go to the trouble of spending huge amounts

518
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: of money on red mercury makes no sense at all,

519
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: makes no sense at all. I couldn't agree with Barnaby

520
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: more if he's right. If he's right, and according to

521
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: official sources, nobody has actually real facts obtained this substance.

522
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: So could this be a cover up? If so, what

523
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: kind is it? One of those things where one or two,

524
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe even five governments officially know that this stuff exists

525
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: and what it can do. They have the documentation. They

526
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: know how to make it, but they want to suppress

527
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: that knowledge. I mean I could see that as being

528
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: a possibility. Here's another odd fact that a spokesman for

529
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the International Atomic Energy Authority said red mercury doesn't exist.

530
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: The whole thing is a bunch of malarkey. Oh wow,

531
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: so he's saying it's a leprechn Is that slaying? Is that?

532
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just the malarkey took me to Lepric

533
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, I don't know, man, you're hipper than

534
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: I am. So I don't know if like Lepricon was

535
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: like the new thing you say, now mean it can be.

536
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Do you and your friends when you hang out at

537
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: the are you are like, what up? LEPRICN Yeah, it's

538
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: more like exclamation if something is tremendously cool and if

539
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: green is involved whatsoever? Oh okay, okay, Like, man, that

540
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: is so leprechn. You know, I don't want to steal

541
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: your your bit. I'm gonna try it. Maybe step it

542
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: works out, and if it, if it goes well, I'll

543
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: tell people that. You know, I'll credit you. It goes poorly,

544
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I'll take the fall. I like it better than some

545
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: of the current new slang words like what combustible? Yeah, combustible, combustible.

546
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's the thing. Oh fleek, oh fleek.

547
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: You don't care for fleek. I can't fleek man. I

548
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: just don't like the way it rolls off the tongue.

549
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: It's a little bit smoother than leprecn. I'm just saying

550
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: that as your friends. Well, that's why I like leprechn

551
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: because it takes a little more effort. Uh. And you know,

552
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: there's a there's a guy with gold. But just like

553
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: red mercury, is the effort worth it also also, unless

554
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: you get too far off the rails, I don't want

555
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: to bury the lead here. An official spokesperson for the

556
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: International Atomic Energy Authority said, this stuff doesn't exist. It

557
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: never existed. What we'll be back after a word from

558
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: a responsible and we're back. So what we're left with here, people,

559
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: there are two roads that we can go down. Red

560
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: mercury is either a long running propaganda sting operation on

561
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: behalf of intelligence agencies, or it's this ancient relic of

562
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: the Cold War when tensions were so high and rumors

563
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: were everywhere. Yeah, that's the thing. We do have a

564
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: couple of different paths. So let's look at the idea

565
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: that this whole thing was a shaggy dog story that

566
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: for decades, not just the US, not just Russia, but

567
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: multiple other countries, including South Africa, made up a boogeyman

568
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: to catch terrorists or criminal organizations or likely each other.

569
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: We have, you know, we have some indications. Experts who

570
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: searched for real red mercury, like Peter Zimmerman, found the

571
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: story quickly deteriorated, and that, uh, everything about his search

572
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: led him to conclude this was a disinformation campaign of

573
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: phony news articles planned decades ago by the KGB and

574
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: then by its successor, the FSB. And there are other

575
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: variants in the story, including one where Washington and Moscow

576
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: worked together, you know, circulating these stories to flush out

577
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: nuclear smugglers. And the thing with that is this idea

578
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: of these two ostensibly enemy governments cooperating this way is

579
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: really popular with a lot of soldiers and officers and

580
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: bomb disposal and counter w m D weapons mass destruction jobs.

581
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: But Zimmerman felt like he couldn't prove it. He felt

582
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: like he could definitely prove whatever this stuff is, it's

583
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: not real, yeah, or it's a fishing expedition as a

584
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: way to draw people to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which

585
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: is incredibly clever. You gotta you gotta admire the art

586
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: in some things, even if you don't agree with the idea,

587
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: just because these rumors have been so persistent throughout the

588
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: years and it still exists that that we can have

589
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: a story in seventeen where people, somebody somewhere in authority said, oh,

590
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: red Mercury, okay, shut that thing down, shut it all down.

591
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: It could also be um here's it's a different idea,

592
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe a middle ground force here. It could also be

593
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: a code name for some other type of nuclear industry

594
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: related material, right. It could have been a Soviet code

595
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: name for something else, like lithium six, which was a

596
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: controlled material that was actually used in nuclear weapons, and

597
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: maybe traffickers repurposed the label for whatever irradiated crap they

598
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: were trying to to sell to unsuspecting terrorists. Because if

599
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: you read the accounts of people, even isis the terrorist organization,

600
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: If you read the accounts of people trying to purchase

601
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: this stuff the way that it's explained to them when

602
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: they finally find it and buy it at enormously expensive

603
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: prices by the way one. One great example would be

604
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: uh when it was described as a small box that

605
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: had to be carried in a special container and had

606
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: to be opened in a special way with a special device.

607
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: These are sold separately, I assume U, and could never

608
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: be opened because when it did, everything would blow up

609
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: in like a multikilometer radius. Hold on, I thought this

610
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: thing was super stable. Well that's what you know. You

611
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: gotta have the device sold separately. But that's that's also

612
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: that snacks of classic of a classic con job, because yeah,

613
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: if you can't look at the merchandise, but you're going

614
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: to hand some money over or something arrested? What's that old?

615
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: What's that old? Saying a pig in a pope? Is

616
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: that just something to say in Tennessee? Yeah, I don't

617
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: like that, never mind. It's it's like, don't don't buy

618
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: a pig in a bag unless you look in the bag.

619
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: It's you're given a poke first, like make sure it squeals,

620
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta check. I gotta check before we

621
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: sign off on that as official stuff that I'll want

622
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: you to know. Pig buying advice sounds good. Sounds good

623
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: if you happen through into somebody who has a burlap

624
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: sack and they tell you there's a pig in there

625
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: and they'll sell it to you. Just I mean, what

626
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: are you doing anyway? Don't engage with that person. Yeah,

627
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: just leave it alone. Man, the pig bag man is

628
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be fine. Gonna leave to leave him to

629
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: his own devices as long as they are not nuclear.

630
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: And now we get to the scariest possibility of all,

631
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman, Red Mercury. What if this thing is real?

632
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: But somehow it's been continually over the decades suppressed. Right,

633
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna go ahead and say this is

634
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: the most disturbing as as you said earlier, but it's

635
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: it's also, thankfully one would hope, the least plausible. But

636
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: think about it, It's been in all these news stories

637
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: over and over in the decades. It's never been verified.

638
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: When law enforcement is attempted to acquire this stuff, it

639
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: has in every single case you can find, turned out

640
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: to be something else according to the story. Yeah, these

641
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: are not the nuclear devices you're looking for. It's we're

642
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: both doing that Star Wars droid wave. I feel like

643
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: we need to explain that, you know, the one we're

644
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: talking about later. It's the force. You're using the force

645
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: to coerce somebody, You see the force? Yeah, and it's uh.

646
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: It turns out that most experts believe red mercury is

647
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: about as real as the Force. So, regardless of how

648
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: you feel about Star Wars, regardless of what conclusions you

649
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: draw about red mercury, regardless whether it is in fact

650
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: real or if it is in fact an elaborate sting operation,

651
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: that people are still falling for, one chilling fact remains.

652
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: People are dying as a result. Actual people are actually

653
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: dying because one rumor that spread we talked about the

654
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: one in Saudi Arabia, kind of funny sewing machine tycoons, right,

655
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: love it, love it. But in Afghanistan it was a

656
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: little different because rumors spread that land mines contained red mercury,

657
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: and numerous people died going up to these live minds

658
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: and attempting to dismantle them and extract the stuff that

659
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: they thought was in there. When dismantling a live mind is,

660
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: as you may assume, a job for the experts. Yeah,

661
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: but isn't it Isn't it weird? Because I had no

662
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: idea that this existed. This is such a strange thing

663
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: to do. I am persuaded. I'mlike, sure this does not exist,

664
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: and twenty full of you know what iffory, Yeah, exactly.

665
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: That's I hate to agree completely with you on this,

666
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: just because I want to offer a different opinion. But

667
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: everything that I've seen in the research that we've done

668
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: for this leads me to believe that it's not real.

669
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: But it's hard for me to wrap my head around

670
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: it lasting this long, a rumor persisting this long, and

671
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: then what if yeah, like what for lack of a

672
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: better phrase, fueled this rumor for so long? Right? Uh?

673
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: What if there is some sort of powerful substance capable

674
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: of jump starting a fusion reaction and it's so dangerous

675
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: that when people discovered it, they including uh, including Dr Cohen,

676
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: when they discovered it, they said, Okay, everybody needs to

677
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: shut it down. We know that we like, we know

678
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: we don't get along all the time, but we'd like

679
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: we look forward to not getting along for a long

680
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: long time. And if anybody has this, it's the end.

681
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Imagine the implications if one of these small nuclear devices

682
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: goes off in a city anywhere in the world and

683
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: the the reaction of other countries, right, with all who

684
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: also have nuclear devices, who are going to be trying

685
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: to point the finger, and there's that it's only a

686
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: few what is it, a few seconds when some of

687
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: the nuclear systems in the world, some of the dead

688
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: hand stuff, when some of that can be triggered. Ah, yeah,

689
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: the dead hands system is very very dangerous thing. Uh. Well,

690
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: you know that's and that was a Soviet thing and

691
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: it's I'm assuming still a Russian thing. Uh. And then

692
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: the United States, who knows what kind of systems that

693
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: we have with all the all the minute men that

694
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: exist around uh, around the globe. Now, the spooky thing

695
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: about the way the US handles it's nuclear arsenal is

696
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: that a large percentage of it is continually traveling around

697
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the globe. Yeah, which is spooky stuff, spooky, frightening, semi

698
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: apocalyptic stuff. And it doesn't even matter at that point

699
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: who set off a bomb, you know, right, because in

700
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: in the early part of it, at least, whatever reaction

701
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: occurs is going to be before you can you know,

702
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: confirm who it is. And a lot of our listeners

703
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: who have lived through the Cold War time period, you know,

704
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: you've probably seen those accounts that came out years later

705
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: of how close the entire species got to just call

706
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: in it one long night, And we'd like to hear

707
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: what you think about red mercury? Has this ever popped

708
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: up in your in your leck of the woods? Has

709
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: any body ever been on the news for attempting to

710
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: smuggle red mercuries? You might try to sell you some?

711
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: And did have you seen any other pop references to this?

712
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: I couldn't recall if in Call of Duty or any

713
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: of these other games that I've played, it like showed

714
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: its face somewhere. I can't. I couldn't remember. I just

715
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm baffled still because neither explanation is

716
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: particularly iron clad, you know what I mean. It sounds

717
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: crazy to say that there's some real substance that is

718
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: enormously powerful that has just been continually popping up in

719
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: the news and then being removed. But it also sounds

720
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: crazy for to be this elaborate, like we've said it

721
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: before in the show, Rube Goldberg esque hoax. It's like

722
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: that game mouse trap, you know what I mean. You

723
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: could just arrest people, but maybe it's I'm still divided, man,

724
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: because maybe it's safer to have a thing that you

725
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: know is an inert substance, right, You can just get

726
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: something that has a red pigment to it and then

727
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: it seems like, oh, that's obviously red mercury. So like

728
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: maybe these intelligence agencies just took a page from shady

729
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: drug dealers. Go some Paprica. Do people do that? People

730
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: are out there selling paprika as red mercury? I don't know,

731
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: because no one knows what it looks like, right, But yeah,

732
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: we want to We want to hear from you. We

733
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: want to hear which of these sides you tend to

734
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: fall on and if you think this is nicely an incident,

735
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: you know this kind of subterfuge, or if there are

736
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: other examples. And speaking of emails from you, it's time

737
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: for shot at Konnas. Our first message comes from Andrew Allinson.

738
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: He says, I'm writing to let you guys know how

739
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: influential you've in to me and my team for the

740
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: past two years. I'm not asking you to plug my

741
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: project or anything like that. I just wanted to let

742
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: you know that it exists and to give you a

743
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: little backstory. Now we're gonna say the name of the game.

744
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: We are not outright plugging Allen's game. We are telling

745
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: you about his game. Is that cleared Allen? So you

746
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: don't feel weird? This is We're going to continue. I'm

747
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: working on a game called Why two k Now That

748
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: is Why one one k Dash, a postmodern RPG. It's

749
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: about a bunch of conspiracy theorists in the nine nineties

750
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: searching for a woman who mysteriously vanished in an elevator.

751
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: That sounds familiar, Ben Oh. The game revolves around a

752
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: primitive early nineteen nineties occult message board that's kind of cool,

753
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: and the various threads lead to different quests in the game.

754
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of reading about weird things happening

755
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: since I was a child, and came across your podcast

756
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: and YouTube channel when I was looking for some ideas

757
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: to fill out the various threads in the games forum.

758
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: Your podcasts and reactions to conspiracies were invaluable to getting

759
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: into the minds of the forum users and making the

760
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: world feel real. So I just wanted to say thank

761
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: you for what you're doing and keep up the good work.

762
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: Well that is supremely cool, Alan. Uh. You know that

763
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Ben and I are both gamers, as well as Noel

764
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Noel talks about that a lot, and uh, knowing that

765
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: somehow what we've done has worked its way into a

766
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: virtual world makes me personally tremendously happy. So let us

767
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: know how the game goes. We'd love to hear an update,

768
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: yes please. Our next one comes from our next shout

769
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: out rather comes from Crystal K, who says Plumb Island

770
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: is an animal disease research facility, at least according to

771
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. This would certainly account for any

772
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: perceived air of secrecy about the place. Also, Clarice was

773
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: the one who suggested she could arrange for lectors vacation

774
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: to the island in exchange for identifying Buffalo Bill M.

775
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Crystal. You know, I'm I don't

776
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: remember if we mentioned this on the air, but do

777
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: you know that Anthony Hopkins do you know how how

778
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: much he's actually in Silence of the Lambs the original

779
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: Signs of the Lambs as Hannibal Lecter. Is it like

780
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: a percentage he's it's like fourteen minutes the whole film.

781
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: He really made an impression. Huh. I mean, those are

782
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: the kind of rules you wanna live for, you know,

783
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: do a cool creepy fourteen minute cameo. Yeah, who happens

784
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: to be a cannibal? Well, it's like, who's the most

785
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: important character in Waiting for Good Dough? The guy who

786
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: doesn't show up? Or RoboCop or RoboCop. I'm pretty sure

787
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: RoboCop shows up in robot You know, I was just

788
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, trying to figure out who the

789
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: most important character is if not RoboCop. But listeners, you

790
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: have to help me out out. I don't know. There's

791
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: a French play called Tartwof and for the which I

792
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: remember reading years ago, and for the first easily two

793
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: thirds of it, people are talking about this Tartoof dude

794
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: and he doesn't show up until the end. It was

795
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: it was baffled. He kind of is up to the hype,

796
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: but not really. It's it was sort of the RoboCop

797
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: of its time. I get it, you know, we I

798
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: don't know if we can keep doing these joslist one

799
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: of us goes back and watches robo cop Oll. No problem.

800
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take the fall. I'm gonna do it.

801
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: And if you, if you write to us, I'll confirm

802
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: or or deny whatever you say. Be a RoboCop expert.

803
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: I'll be cop. We have time for one more shout out.

804
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Our next message says I am me, you are you,

805
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: And this is an email to stuff they don't want

806
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: you to know. Well, of course I love that opening. Yeah,

807
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: I love the show. Guys, you help me, You help

808
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: keep me sane whilst at work with the stuff you

809
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: should know. Boys. Oh cool, that's a good company. Um,

810
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: not down to business. Vaping you heard of it? Yes,

811
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: we have heard of it. Vaping is a smoking cessation.

812
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: It's a way for smokers to get off the cigarettes

813
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: in a healthy and safe way. In a basic form,

814
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: it gives the user the sensation of smoking, the nicotine

815
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: delivery from smoking, but it leaves out the seven thousand

816
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: plus nasty chemicals and carcinogen's smoking cigarettes delivers into your body.

817
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: Vaping has turned into an international, multibillion dollar industry, creating

818
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: thousands of jobs and businesses. It's created friendships and families

819
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: throughout the world. Okay, uh, and above all else, it's

820
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: saved hundreds of millions of lives. But ben, here's where

821
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: things get crazy. Currently, at this moment in time, that's right,

822
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: whilst you're reading this email, the US government and f

823
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: d A are trying to destroy it. And I don't

824
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: mean trying to get the booming industry that is vaping

825
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: under control. I mean these guys want to wipe out

826
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: the whole thing, one hundred percent gone in the blink

827
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: of an eye. They want it gone, and they're trying

828
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: anything to do it. And they oh, man, oh my gosh. Okay,

829
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: So Jack, this is from Jack. By the way, do

830
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: we ever say this is from Jack? Okay, okay, Jack,

831
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: thank you for writing. And he goes on and he

832
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: just he gives us so much great information about vaping,

833
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: along with his fun storytelling. But we're gonna end it

834
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: right here. So why is the US government so against

835
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: vaping if it is a health benefit to the millions

836
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: of citizens and the billions of people worldwide. Is it

837
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: because it's dangerous and will kill people quicker than a

838
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: bullet to the head. Or would you say it's because

839
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: the cigarette companies who sponsor these state officials and senators

840
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: and government organizations are losing millions of dollars worth of

841
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: revenue each week two people not smoking. No, that can't be.

842
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: People would think that's some sort of crazy conspiracy. Jack,

843
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: that's that is fantastic. Yeah, thanks so much for writing in, Jack,

844
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: Crystal and Andrew. Uh that that's a good point about vapory. Yeah, yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: I mean there are so many conflicting studies that have

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Speaker 1: things come out. They thank you so much for writing guys. Again,

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