1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Warning Podcast. I am thrilled today. I 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: have been looking forward to for weeks to interview, to 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: talk with, have a conversation with Lucas Kotz, who is 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: running for the United States Senate in the state of 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: Missouri against Josh Holly. I think this is one of, 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: if not the most important US Senate race in the country. 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: This is a race that every single American who cares 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: about liberty, who cares about democracy, who cares about the truth, 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: who cares about decency, should invest in. Lucas Coots is 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: a former United Lucas Coots is a United States Marine 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: officer to this day, a lieutenant colonel in the reserves, 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: served on active duty for thirteen years, did three tours 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: in Iraq in Afghanistan during those wars. This is a 14 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: person who raised his hands, took an oath, put the 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: cloth of the nation on, went to war, and now 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: wants to stand in the United States Senate to make 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: certain to make certain that the disgrace that occurred there 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: on January sixth never happens again. And we should be 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: really clear as we start this conversation today that the 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: man that Lucas Coons is running against is singularly, personally, 21 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: directly and absolutely unimpeachably responsible along with Donald Trump, along 22 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: with Ted Cruz, along with the Proud Boys, and along 23 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: with the extremists of breaking the peaceful transition of power 24 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: tradition in the United States of America that endured from 25 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety seven until January sixth of twenty twenty one. 26 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Josh Holly raised his fist to show solidarity with those people, 27 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: and then, unlike a United States Marine, he ran in terror, 28 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: and he hid in a closet and cowered while these 29 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: people ransacked the United States Capital. I am delighted to 30 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: be with Lucas Kootz today. 31 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Welcome. Yeah, thanks for having me, Steve. I'm excited to 32 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: be here. Man. 33 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: So, how's the race going in Missouri? Tell us about 34 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: it and just what can people do to help you 35 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: all over the country get rid of Josh Holly, who, 36 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: in addition to being a plague in Missouri, is a 37 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: national pastulens. 38 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, campaign's going real well. You know, we've 39 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: raised over four million dollars so far, which is a 40 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: record for a Democrat or Republican challenger at this time. 41 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: And really like the best thing is that everybody in 42 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: Missouri hates Josh Holly too, Like people outside of Missouri 43 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: may not know that, but he's the least popular US 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: senator up for election this entire cycle, like and I 45 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: mean Ted Cruz on the ballot people, So that's quite 46 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: an achievement, right, And you know he's often upside down. 47 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 2: In his numbers. 48 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 3: Saint Louis Posts Dispatch put out a pool the other 49 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: day showing US forty four to forty three with him. 50 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a tight race. The guy's in a 51 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: fraud and a coward right, I mean, you mentioned January sixth. 52 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: He's out there pumping his fist when he thinks it's 53 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: gonna get him some power, and then the second things 54 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: get real, he's skinning out the back door and running away. 55 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,279 Speaker 2: I mean, you know you mentioned. 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: The Marine Corps, Like we'd have been court martialed if 57 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: we showed that type of cowardice in the Marine Corps. 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: And so for me, I'm just excited to have this 59 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: race on the map. I'm excited to serve the Missourians 60 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: that I grew up with because frankly, we're suffering out here, 61 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: and it's because country club politicians like Josh Holly had 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: really just been you know, stripping our communities for parts, 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: for power for themselves. 64 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: And you didn't grow up with a silver spoon in 65 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: your mouth, like like, mister Holly, what do you tell 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: us about your background? 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I grew up in a beautiful neighborhood. So 68 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: it was like a real slice of Americana. It was 69 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: one of those neighborhoods though, where it's in mid Missouri, 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 3: you know, small town where the curves kind of crumble 71 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: into the street and the sidewalks you don't really walk 72 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: on them because they're too peaked and jagged, but they 73 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: make like a really mean bike ramp. And you know, 74 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: my parents got married at nineteen and twenty two. They 75 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: were Catholic, and they followed the rules. So you know 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: we're talking kid kid kid, and and then you know 77 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: the paycheck to paycheck lifestyles. 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: But you know, it was a beautiful place to grow up. 79 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 3: Everybody's running out of each other's houses and just everybody's 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: parents taking care of us kids. 81 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: And you know, if I got a minute, you know, 82 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: when I was a kid. 83 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how magical it was until I was 84 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: about eight years old. 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: But this was a very formative moment for me, and 86 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: a reason that I'm doing this. 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: Campaign is when I turned eight, my littlest sister was 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: born and she had to have an open heart surgery. 89 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: And if anybody knows what happens to. 90 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: A paycheck to paycheck family in this country, when you 91 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: know disaster strikes, that's it for you, right, Like my 92 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: parents went bankrupt. 93 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: We were really on the edge. As a kid, you 94 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: remember things like your. 95 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: Mom just crying all the time, not just because she 96 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: didn't know if for a little girl was going to survive, 97 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: but because you know, she didn't know how they were 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: going to take care of the rest of us. And 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: you know, when I was when our family, when we 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: were at that really, really low spot, we really saw 101 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: the strength that communities in Missouri have the magic of 102 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: everyday people in this country, because you know, everyday people 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: in that neighborhood who had no more money than we did, 104 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: they made that we made it through that time. Our 105 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: local mechanic, you like, fixed our car for whatever my 106 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: parents could pay. You know, people brought more food by 107 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: the house than we could eat. My mom's prayer group 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: passed the plate for us around at church, and when 109 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: my parents were two hours away during. 110 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: My sister's surgeries. 111 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: Just everybody in that town took us into their homes, 112 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: us other kids, and took care of us. 113 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: And so, you know, for me, that's why I'm running 114 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: this campaign. 115 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: It's for everyday people who've been neglected by politicians like 116 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: Josh Holly who only care about themselves. 117 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: And I'm presuming when I when I listen to you 118 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: tell that story that if you meet someone in Missouri 119 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: of a different political persuasion, or somebody you know who 120 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: disagrees with you on an issue, you don't seem like 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: the type of guy to me who wants to kill them. 122 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like a lot of people right involved 123 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: in in in American politics right now, where there's just 124 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: such anger, such such rage and such y. 125 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think you know me and the people in 126 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 3: Missouri just you know, everyday folks who grew up in 127 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: normal situations, people who live paycheck to paycheck, all of 128 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: us who are one disaster from bankruptcy. 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: You know, what we understand is that we have. 130 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: Common enemy, and it is politicians like Josh Holly, right Like, 131 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: what we want our politicians to do is to invest 132 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: in us. We want them to invest in us, so 133 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: we have the resources to make our own decisions. 134 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Right. 135 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: We just want the freedom to help each other out 136 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: the way people were able to help me out back then. 137 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: And if you go to my old neighborhood right now, 138 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: we don't have the resources to do that anymore. Like 139 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: the first house I lived in is an empty lot, 140 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: the one I joined the Marine Corps out of. 141 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: We actually went to take pictures the other day because 142 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: it's all boarded up. 143 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: To keep the squatters out. It's going to be torn down. 144 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: Every other house on that street's boarded up. The corner 145 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: store was actually boarded up because it's been robbed so 146 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: many times that it can't get insurance because like the 147 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: only thing that lives there anymore is desperation. 148 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: There's no hope. And it's because people like Josh Holly. 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: Been taking money from the wrong foot folks in using 150 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: them to strip our communities for parts, you know, so 151 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: that they can get political power. And you know, Josh 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: has done attack after attack against everyday people. And we 153 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: know that, right And the guy doesn't want to invest 154 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: in us. He in votes against every opportunity and to 155 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: invest in US, and and you know he really like 156 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: his focus is this weird, creepy. 157 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: Like control thing. 158 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: They want to control us in the bedroom, they want 159 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: to control us in the doctor's office. He wants to 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: control us in the workplace. I don't know if you've 161 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: seen this, like new book he's got come out. 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: Did you see it, Steve, Yeah, we're going to talk 163 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: about it, but go ahead. 164 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Manhood by Josh Holly for twenty nine to 165 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: ninety nine. You can get the Secrets of Masculinity from 166 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: the Coward of January sixth, right, man, Like, that's crazy 167 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: and and I actually had to read the thing, and 168 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: it really is all about control. His solution is that 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: everybody should just be more like him, And so you know, 170 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: for the average Missourian, like, that's weird and that's creepy, right, Like, 171 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: we just want the power to make our own decisions. 172 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: And that's what my campaigns all about. It's all about 173 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: investing in communities like the one that took care of me. 174 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: It's about making sure that we're able to grow and 175 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: have the resources to take care of each other. Because 176 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: when we can do that, when we just have the 177 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: resources to take care of each other, man, it is magical. 178 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: Every day Missourians know what the right thing is. We 179 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: just need to make it so that we're able to 180 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: do it. 181 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: I grew up in New Jersey and my introduction to 182 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: the United States Marine Corps was through the annual John 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: Barcelone parade that still goes on every year, the Great 184 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: American Hero of Guadalcanal, reciping of the Medal of Honor, 185 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: killed in action leading men on Ewajima. And take me 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: if you would, Lucas too, the morning that you put 187 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: your dress blues on for the first time, looking in 188 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: the mirror, about to have that second lieutenant bar penned 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: on and become an officer in the in the United 190 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: States Marine Corps. Tell me about that. 191 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: You know, I was stepping into the shoes of my heroes. 192 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: And so, you know, I talk about how people in 193 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: my old neighborhood took care of each other. Well, you know, 194 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: we went to the church, and when we were growing up, 195 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: my mom and dad, you know, we didn't have much money, 196 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: but we tried to help whenever we could. And so 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: at our church we had a soup kitchen, and so 198 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: every couple of weeks we'd go, we'd volunteer, and all 199 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: of us kids would get chores. And so I know 200 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: you think it was this have to do the Marine Corps, 201 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: but it does one hundred percent and so and so 202 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: every time the guy who ran the parish suit kitchen 203 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: asked all the kids, Hey, what chores do you guys 204 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: want to do? 205 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: My little my sister and I would be like, oh, oh, 206 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: we want to do the dishes. We want to do 207 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: the dishes. And this guy is like, he's wrong with 208 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: these kids, Like, who wants to do the dishes? That's crazy. 209 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: But what he finally figured out is that the reason 210 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: we did we wanted to do the dishes is because 211 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: we thought we were scamming this man, right, like because 212 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: the parish had dishwashers and back home, man, we didn't 213 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: have dishwasher. Doing the dishes was like, you know, forty 214 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: five minutes a hard labor for a big family, and 215 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: so like, you know, we just throw the dishes in the. 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: Dishwasher walk away, laughing at the guy. 217 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 3: And and so he figures that out, and two years later, 218 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: when he remodels the kitchen in his house, he actually 219 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 3: took out his old dishwasher, put it into his blue 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: pickup truck drop draw, drove it over to our house 221 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: and had it installed for us because he remembered that 222 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: and he knew how much that would mean to our family. 223 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 3: Now that man was an officer, a Marine Corps officer 224 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: in Vietnam. He saw some serious things over there. He 225 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: was hard in hearing because he. 226 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: Had his ears blown out several times. 227 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: And he used to take me down to the Marine 228 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: Corps League when I was younger, and I would listen 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 3: to these guys tell their stories. I would listen to 230 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: the songs that they sing. And these were true heroes 231 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 3: to me. You know, they took their care of their 232 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: community when nobody was watching, like they just did it 233 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: because it was the right thing to do. 234 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: And you know, when I got dressed up and got 235 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: my second lieutenant bars pinned on, he pinned me on. 236 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: He came all the way out to Quantico and he 237 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: did that, and he pinned me with his bars from 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: Vietnam actually, and it was. 239 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: You know, one of the prouds moments of my life 240 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: because I wanted to be like these guys. I still 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: want to be like them. It's why I joined the 242 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: Marine Corps because I want to serve that community that 243 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: I grew up in the same way that they did. 244 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: This is a moment where the country is just overwhelmed 245 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: by lies right where it's hard for people to know 246 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: the difference between what's real and not at that boundary 247 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: line where the truth and the lie or converging. And 248 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: Josh Holly goes out there and he talks about manhood 249 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: as you as you mentioned, here's what I say to 250 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: my kids, my son, and I think this applies equally, 251 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, to men and women, you know, but to 252 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: my son, what I what I tell him is you 253 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: got to know when to when to stand up, and 254 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: you got to know when to put your toes on 255 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: the line. You also got to know when to back 256 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: up off that line. 257 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: You got to know. 258 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: When you're wrong, how to say you're sorry. You have 259 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: to know when it's time to advance off that line 260 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: right and and to step forward right even when you're afraid. 261 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: And character, uh, decency, gentleness, I mean meanness, is not toughness, cynicism, 262 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: all of these things that define Josh Holly and this 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: strange dogma of control. As you said in the bedroom 264 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: and confessional, from cradle to grave, Josh Holly wants to 265 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: watch over you. What is what is a man? Right? 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: There's so many people that talk about the crisis of 267 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the American male, suicide epidemic, epidemic of loneliness, despair, all 268 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: of these things. A lot of people talk about this. 269 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: My friend Maria Shriver talks about this a lot and 270 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: writes eloquently about it. And Josh Holly has has his 271 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: version of manhood. A read that book and it's shocking. 272 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: But that's not manhood in any way, shape or form, 273 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: in the sense of and we're about the same age, 274 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: close enough, but but but completely alien to the men 275 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: that were around in my life as a boy, as 276 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: a young man. Uh, it's they would not recognize the 277 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: the manhood archetype of someone like Josh Holly. They would, 278 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: they would. In other words, they would find him repellent, 279 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: right they would, they would. They would find him disgraceful, 280 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: They would find him cowardly and cowering uh from his 281 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: craving lust for power at any cost. One of the 282 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: one of the most privileged people in the country by 283 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: virtue of his education, by his opportunities. He he is 284 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: the anti manhood guy against the arc type of the 285 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: American male, at least the arc type that. 286 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: I grew up admiring. 287 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you, when you think about 288 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: man hood, who do you think about? 289 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think about those marines. I'll give you, 290 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: I'll give you another example of the guys. So for me, 291 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: it's it's doing the right thing when nobody's looking. It's 292 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: taking care of folks. It's not doing things for the show. 293 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: Like obviously Josh Holly in that company, they're all about 294 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: the show. And and I will say there was there 295 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: was actually a moment when it all clicked for me, 296 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: like multiple things clicked at once, and it's because a 297 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: guy who had no reason to do something for me 298 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: just took an extra minute out of this day and did. 299 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: And so so I'm gonna tell you what happened here. 300 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: I was in ninth grade and and like my family 301 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: was broke in ninth grade, and I mean like my 302 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: dad would drop me off at school and this old 303 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: rusted out for a conversion van and I would have 304 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: him drop me off down the hill because it just 305 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: like squeaked so loud when the brakes were hit and 306 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: he didn't have the money to fix it, and and 307 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: I really just like wanted to find myself in ninth 308 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: grade and and I was, I was, I. 309 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Was struggling to do that. 310 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: And and then one day I got assigned to a 311 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: project with with this girl named Jennifer who was who 312 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: was cool like she lived on the other side of 313 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: town in one of those neighborhoods where they got like, 314 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, signs outside of it, which you know you 315 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: made it if you live in in a small town 316 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: with a with a neighborhood with a sign on it. 317 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: And uh. 318 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: And so we got sign of this project. We worked 319 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: on it in school. We're having a good time and uh. 320 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: And then she she invited me over to her house 321 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 3: one day to finish it after school and so uh 322 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: and so her mom came picked us up, took us 323 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: to her house and we're over there and I mean, 324 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: I'm living large right like they got name brand Oreos. 325 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, none of the boxes are yellow. We're having 326 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: all the good snacks and uh and and I'm loving it. 327 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: We're getting along well and uh and we're becoming friends 328 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 3: and and so then you know, we wrap up the project, 329 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: hang out for a little bit. We're hanging with her 330 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: mom and uh. And then her dad comes in. He 331 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 3: got home from work and a huge guy like this big, 332 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: burly dude. He actually worked in law enforcement, and uh 333 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: and was was a pretty intimidating guy. And you know, 334 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: he says a couple hellos, ask how we're doing, ask 335 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: how the project? 336 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: Did it all went well? 337 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: And uh So we chat for a little bit and 338 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: then then he's like, okay, all right, son, it's it's 339 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: time to take you home. 340 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: And I didn't want them to take me. 341 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 3: By my house because it was in a rough neighborhood 342 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: and it didn't look that hot, and and I was embarrassed, 343 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: and so I had. 344 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: A plan for this though. 345 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I don't worry about it. Don't 346 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: worry about it, sir. You know, my dad's not too 347 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: far from here. I'm just gonna call him up. He 348 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: said he'd picked me up down the street. I was like, 349 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: that was my plan, right, He's they're not even going 350 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: to see my van because I'll just walk down to 351 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: the corner and and her Dad's like, oh, no, son, 352 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: if you come over to our house, you're our guest 353 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: and we take you home. And I'm like, no, no, no, 354 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: it's it's okay, sir. Honestly, I already already arranged it all. 355 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 3: He's like, son, we're giving me. 356 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: A ride home. I'm like, God, all right, all right, 357 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: how am I going to do this? 358 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: And so we go get into this I'd never been 359 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: in a fancy car before, I swear to got and 360 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: and they've got this big. 361 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: Beautiful black Cadillac. 362 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: It's like right out of a Johnny Cash song, right 363 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: and and and so I'm like, okay, I get into 364 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: the car. 365 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm I can dance things nice. 366 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 3: And we start driving and I'm like, how can I 367 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: make it so that they don't see the things I 368 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: don't want them to see? 369 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: And so I think about it, and I'm like, well, 370 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: if you. 371 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 3: Go the normal way, we're gonna go by the gas 372 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 3: station that everybody calls ghetto gas, Like the house on 373 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: the corner's kind of burned out. But if I go 374 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: around and come up the hill and like take just 375 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: long enough, maybe the sun will be all the way down. 376 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: And so I start giving it and so he's like, 377 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: you know where you going? Where are we going? 378 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'll give you directions, sir. So 379 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: I start giving them directions and after about five minutes. 380 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: He's he's catching on. 381 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 3: He's like, these are some pretty funky directions for where 382 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: I think we're going. I'm like, oh, no, sir, just 383 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: go out to this road and then turn right. And 384 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: he kind of looks back and he's like, do you 385 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 3: know where you're going? And and I'm like, oh, yes, sir, 386 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 3: I've lived there my whole life. And he's like, well, 387 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: I've lived in this town, not my whole life, but 388 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: a lot longer than yours. And and he's like, where 389 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: are the streets? And I was like, oh, it's a dune, 390 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: Glyn Street and Ewing and I named this really tiny 391 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: short street that's got like five houses on it because 392 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 3: I'm just sure he won't know it. And he's like okay, 393 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: He's like, actually I think I know where that is. 394 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, well whatever, And I still 395 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: maneuver him around, and so I think I've done it. 396 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: The sun is setting, we're coming up the hill to 397 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: my house and he and and of course I hadn't 398 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: thought about that into the street because nobody ever comes 399 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: from that way. And you know, we go buy a 400 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: house that you know, half the windows are out up 401 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: and it's. 402 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Fallen apart, and I'm like, oh, I. 403 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: Try to distract them a little bit. We close up 404 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 3: on my house. I'm like, oh, mine's the one at 405 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: the top of the hill. And as we pull up, 406 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: I remember, or obviously realize that my parents they repainted 407 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: our house as best they could. We all did it 408 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 3: as a family together. You know, my mom's out there 409 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 3: with the heat gun and us kids are helping paint. 410 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: And they didn't have enough money to paint the whole house, 411 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: and so they had left that side unpainted because it 412 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: was the side nobody comes up from anyway. And and 413 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: you know, I realize my mistake. I see just like 414 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: the paint like scaling off that side of the house. 415 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: And I'm so embarrassed. And you know, he keeps looking 416 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: at me in the rear view of mirror, wondering what's 417 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: going on. And we get there and I'm like, thanks 418 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: for the ride. And you know, my friend Jennifer, she 419 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: doesn't pay attention to anything, obviously, She's like. 420 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: Oh, it was great to have you. 421 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 3: We y'all see you tomorrow at school. But I'm just 422 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: so dejected. And and I get out of the car 423 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: and I close the door and I mumble something and 424 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: I start to walk away, and you know, I'm going 425 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: down our sidewalk just just praying, like, dear God, please 426 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: let them just leave, Please just let them leave. And 427 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: I can like feel this guy looking at me, and 428 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: then the worst thing happens, like he I hear a 429 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: car door open and then clunk behind me, and I'm like, 430 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: oh God, he's gonna chew me out because he knows 431 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: that I just went like twenty minutes out of the 432 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 3: way to avoid everything. Because he knows where we are. 433 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 3: Now he's gonna go straight back. And I hear Son 434 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: in his like big deep voice. I'm like, so I 435 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: just turn around. I'm just gonna take it like a man. 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: And I turn around and I look at him. He's 437 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: just looking at me, looming over that big black Cadillac, 438 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: and he looks, he looks at me. He looks up 439 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: at the house and he looks back at me, and 440 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: he says, Son, I just want you to know how 441 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: proud I am that you came over and worked on 442 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: this project with Jennifer. 443 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm so proud you're her friend. We'd be proud to 444 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: come over to your house anytime. You're a great kid, 445 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: and you're gonna make it. And he just got back 446 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: in his car and drove off, you know, He could 447 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: have been annoyed with me, he could have said something mean, 448 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: he could have ignored me, but instead he took a 449 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: moment to let me know that I'm mattered again. When 450 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: nobody's looking. He's never going to get any credit for this, right, 451 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: it means nothing. It's something he didn't have have to do. 452 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: But you know, for a kid on the other side 453 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: of town, he took that moment to let me know 454 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: I could be proud of who I was. 455 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: I could be proud of who of where I come from. Right, 456 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: I can be proud of my family because we're good people. 457 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: And it was just it was an incredible moment for me. 458 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: And probably the only real sad part out of that 459 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: for me is, you know, I studied hard in school 460 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: after after after that, I got all a's, I was 461 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: all state athlete. I got into Yale University. I got 462 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: to go on a pel grant, which you know, if 463 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: you don't have enough money, they help you out. And 464 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: and I wanted to say thank you when I went 465 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: back to try. 466 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: To find him, and he'd actually passed away. 467 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: And so you know, the one thing, the other thing 468 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: I learned from that is you got to say thanks 469 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: to the people who mean something to you, even if 470 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: they don't know. 471 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: But like, that's what it means to be a man 472 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: to me. 473 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: Wow, what a story, How a little choked up? 474 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: Honestly, I hope I didn't ramble for too long. 475 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: No, but we've got heroes like that all around our country. 476 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: And that's not who people are hearing from, right, They're 477 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: hearing from the media, bully, the attention hogs like Josh Holly. 478 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: That's not who we are. That's not who Missourians are. 479 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, Missourians are fed up with it. 480 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: It's why he's the least popular person up for reelection. 481 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: It's why we're gonna win this campaign. He doesn't understand us. 482 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: He doesn't know how we grow up. He doesn't understand 483 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: the things we do. 484 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: For each other. 485 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: I think about that story and I hear it, and 486 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: I think he's looking down on you. And he's gonna 487 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: get to CoA be a United States senator. 488 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: He sure is. 489 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: The world's a mess right now. How worried are you 490 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the Middle East and the possibility 491 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: of escalation that seems like is starting to spiral. 492 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm worried about a lot of things national 493 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 3: security wise. 494 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 2: You know, I was a marine for thirteen years. 495 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: I've obviously deployed the Middle East, Iraq, where I let 496 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 3: a police training team. You know, I've run convoys up 497 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: and down roads all over Iraq, Faluja of Habana, Ramadi 498 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: just Dodge and I d's and my responsibility was to 499 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: bring my police training team home twelve Marines and a 500 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: Navy corman. 501 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: And I'm glad I did that. 502 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: And I hate to see that that we have more conflict, 503 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: for more people are going to have to go through that. 504 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: Imployed Afghanistan twice. I actually learned in Pashto the language 505 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: of southern Afghanistan. I had spoken to Taliban face to face, 506 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: and and it's it's a really hairy situation. And so 507 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 3: you know, I just hope that the lessons we learned 508 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: in Iraq and Afghanistan, which that we had a lot 509 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: of failure there, right I hope that those lessons are 510 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: learned and they get taken into what's going on in 511 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: Israel and Palestine right now so they can come to 512 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 3: a good resolution. You know, There's there's also obviously Ukraine, Russia, 513 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: and this is another one I was deeply involved in 514 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: when I was a marine. My last duty station was 515 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: at the Pentagon. I was on the Joint Staff and 516 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: I was actually representing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs 517 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: of Staff on international arms control negotiations in uh in Europe. 518 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: So it was on this very conflict, right, And I 519 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: think the thing that I found the most frustrating during 520 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: that time was that I would. 521 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: Go over our NATO allies again and again. 522 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: My job was trying to get them on board with 523 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: US positions, and I tried to take get them to 524 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 3: take a hard position on Russia. And like, remember this 525 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: is after Russia had invaded Crimea, Doan Boston twenty fourteen. 526 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: It was after they'd invaded Georgia in two thousand and eight, 527 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: and here we are twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen. I'm going 528 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: to our NATO allies. I'm like, look, man, these guys 529 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 3: are bad. We have intelligence that shows them building up 530 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: their military modernization is for a purpose, and we need 531 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: you to take a hard position on it. And oftentimes 532 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: our allies wouldn't do that. And the reason they wouldn't 533 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: do it is because they were addicted to that cheap 534 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: Russian gas, like they were buying all this gas from Russia. 535 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: They were actually fueling Russia's military modernization. And many of 536 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: us saw it as a problem that could have been 537 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: solved that the US was supplying the energy instead, but 538 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: it wasn't. And I can get that in a second. 539 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: But now we have a conflict there. And I was 540 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: going to say. The other thing that was I found 541 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 3: very frustrating was they would be like, oh, yeah, that 542 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: is a scary situation, right like we Yeah, Russia is 543 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: modernizing their military. Could you the United States send more 544 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 3: troops and equipment over to protect us from that threat, And. 545 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: And we did it. 546 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 3: We did it under all the presidents and and so 547 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: for me, like what I wish we would really do 548 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: is we would look at a long term, long term 549 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: horizon to some of these issues. And so, you know, 550 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: with Europe, if we'd spend a lot of money many 551 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: years ago investing in the next generation of energy and 552 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 3: producing that here in places like Missouri, we'd have a 553 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 3: bunch of good jobs here in Missouri. 554 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: We would control the energy of the world. 555 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: Russia wouldn't have been able to modernize their military, and 556 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: things would have been you know, we would have been 557 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: in a stronger position where that Ukraine Russia war wouldn't 558 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: have ever happened. And my biggest worry when I see 559 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 3: the world right now is, you know, countries like Europe, 560 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: European countries, you know now they're like, oh, oops, maybe 561 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: that was a bad idea to buy all that Russian gas, 562 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: and they're looking to other places for their energy. But 563 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: because the United States hasn't invested in that next generation 564 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: of energy, they're looking over to China for it, right 565 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: They're not looking to us. 566 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: And so I'm. 567 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: Worried that a lot of the conflict that we have 568 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 3: in the world is based on energy needs. 569 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: It really is. 570 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 3: You know, we chased it in Iraq, we've seen in Russia, Ukraine. 571 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: To World War two is basically Japan trying to get 572 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 3: energy resources in the Pacific. And so like what I'm 573 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: worried about is that we always like try to fix 574 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: things after the fact with conflict, and what we really 575 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: should be doing here is being so strong economically and 576 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: on the energy front that everybody needs us for their 577 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 3: energy so they don't go anywhere else. And so, you know, 578 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: because my biggest fear is that we end up replacing 579 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: like Russia and the Saudis is suppliers of energy for 580 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: a lot of companies, for a lot of countries with China, 581 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: and that's not going to be good for the United States. 582 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: We're going to end up in a war over Taiwan. 583 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: At some point possibly and like I'm telling you right now, 584 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: like if anybody thinks Ukraine and Iraq and Afghanistan were 585 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: expensive and costly, like that's going to be a thousand 586 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: times worse. 587 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: And uh. 588 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: And I really I'm very sad that we have hawks 589 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: like Josh Holly who keep wanting to go to war 590 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: over places like Taiwan, but don't want and don't want 591 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: to invest in. 592 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: Sort of the resources of the future. 593 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: They're gonna keep us out of those wars and keep 594 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: us in a stronger position internationally. 595 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, when I was a Catholic Republican living 596 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: in Washington, I never anticipated that I would become a 597 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: Jewish Democrat living in Utah. But I have. 598 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: I have proved when I go on to college campuses. 599 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: Right when I go on college campuses and I talk 600 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: to the kids and they got the notebooks out and 601 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: they go in, You're what did you do six months 602 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 4: after college? I always say them, Yet you have you 603 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 4: have no idea, right, what's gonna happen in life? Right, 604 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 4: Like you know you're gonna meet someone one day that's 605 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 4: the person you're gonna marry. 606 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna go off in this direction. But uh, 607 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: during during my time in the in the White House, 608 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: I went to Auschwitz in the American delegation went with 609 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney was there too for the sixtieth anniversary of 610 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: the liberation and l. E. Vizl was on that trip. 611 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: Another great Democratic member of Congress who I'm sure you 612 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: will remember is Tom Lantos from California. He was a 613 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: Holocaust survivor. He was a Hungarian by birth. I had 614 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: this white hair, and he just was this dignified, powerful 615 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: kind of speaker to human rights issues in the in 616 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: the Congress, right, growing growing up. Without question, Uh, the 617 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: trip was a defining one in my life. It's a 618 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: place that if you visit it, I've been to a 619 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of the camps. Uh, you don't forget it. A 620 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: couple of years back, there's a May two years Ken 621 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: Burns documentary America and the Holocaust that tells the story 622 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: of this country. It really clarifies, right, how what happened. Happened, 623 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: It really happened on a basis of over twelve years. 624 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: The Holocaust was planned in Berlin at a lunch meeting 625 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: in January of nineteen forty two, in a leafy suburb 626 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: called Wance, at a meeting presided over by ryin Hard 627 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: Heidrich and Adolph Eichman, and they planned the elimination of 628 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Europe's Jews, the murder of them. And they did it 629 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: at a high water mark in the war when they 630 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: were winning. And they took notes and then notes at 631 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: that meeting survive and incriminate the Nazi regime as the 632 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: murderers of six million Jews premeditatively. You watch all of 633 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: these things and in months, Cory FBI director, you have 634 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: an any Semitism crisis in the United States that he's 635 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: describing as historic. 636 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: What's happening? 637 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think what you saw in Germany 638 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: was some very bad people took a lot big They 639 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: took advantage of some real economic hardship that people were 640 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: going through, and then they were able to do terrible. 641 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: Things through that. 642 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: And you know, people will grift off of economic hardship 643 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: for their own power and for very bad causes and 644 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: so you know, my mission is to win, is. 645 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: To win this election. Right. 646 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: We can not have frauds who don't care about us 647 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: running our government. We can't have people who are full 648 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 3: of hate running our government. You know, I don't know, 649 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: people may remember this. Josh Holly was the only person 650 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: to vote against the anti Asian hate bill, which is 651 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 3: quite the curiosity, right, And so for me again, you know, 652 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: it goes back to just the things that I learned 653 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: from people growing up in my neighborhood, and that's that 654 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 3: you got to do what's right. 655 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: You got to do what's. 656 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: Right, even if it costs you. Some fights may look 657 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: like they're hard and going to be difficult to win, 658 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: but it's worth it to fight it, not just for 659 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: your dignity, but for everyone else. 660 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: And you know it, this is it. 661 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 3: I mean, we're on the front lines in a really 662 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: interesting fight for democracy out here in Missouri, and I'm 663 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: proud to be on that front line for everybody. 664 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, Well, what do you want to say to 665 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Jews in Missouri right now? Who are afraid? 666 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you're You're as much a part of this 667 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: country as anyone. Right, We're coming together. I'm going to 668 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: make sure that you're safe. We're standing behind Israel, you 669 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: know Israel. Israelis have the right to defend themselves. And 670 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: you know we're all going to get through this together. 671 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: What do you want to say to Arab Americans in 672 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: the country. 673 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: You're just a much a part of this country as 674 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: everybody else. You know, we're going to get through this together. 675 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 3: We got to work together, we got to come up 676 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 3: with a plan, and you know it's the same thing. 677 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: We're gonna take care of each other. 678 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so hard for someone like 679 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: Josh Holly to say that? 680 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: Look, man, I can't get into that guy's head, all right, 681 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 3: you know, And it's not just that he's a spoiled 682 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: rich kid, right like I think you could be a 683 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: decent US senator as you know, a banker's son, which 684 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 3: he is, right, But you got to have the courage 685 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: to learn, right, you gotta have the courage to learn 686 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 3: about all of us. 687 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: You've got to have the courage to learn. 688 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 3: About everybody, how we all live in what will make 689 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: our lives better. But he doesn't care about that, right, 690 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: He doesn't care about representing us. He just cares about 691 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: ruling us. It's not about representing. It's about ruling. And 692 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: uh and frankly, like I don't care to get in 693 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: the guy's head. 694 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: I want to beat him. 695 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: I want to win this like it is a cumbent 696 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: upon all of us to win these elections. And I'm 697 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: you know, I'm asking your viewers to invest in this race. 698 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: I mean, we have got the least popular US senator 699 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: in the entire country. 700 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: The polling is tight. 701 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 3: We're out raising him because most people have decided to 702 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: abandon him, as they very well should. And we got 703 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 3: to win one for the good and good guys. This 704 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: is the front line in the fight for democracy in 705 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: our country. Right, this is critical for our future, for 706 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: everybody's future. And uh, and you know again like I 707 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: don't care to get in the guy's head. I just 708 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 3: care to beat him and then none have to think 709 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 3: about him again. Wouldn't that be a beautiful thing? 710 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: It would be great. Tell us how to donate to 711 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: your campaign, and then I want to ask you a 712 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: question about two great Missourians. 713 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you can go to Lucas Koontz dot com. 714 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: It's l U c A s k U n CE 715 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 3: dot com. 716 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: You can do it there. 717 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 3: We got an blue page you know, I've been endorsed 718 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 3: by the League of Conservation Voters. 719 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: We got a page there. They got We're on the 720 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 2: j Street page. You know, We're on a lot of pages, 721 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: so there. 722 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 3: Are lots of ways to find us. You can just 723 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: google my name and donate. I'd appreciate if people followed 724 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: us on Twitter and Instagram, you know, shared what we're 725 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 3: doing here because it's a very grassroots campaign. You know, 726 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 3: we've ranged an amazing amount of money, record breaking in Missouri. 727 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: Our average donation that was like thirty one dollars, which 728 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: is also pretty incredible, and it's because we're building a 729 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: grassroots movement. We've got donations from every county in Missouri. 730 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: We have people really excited because they're seeing somebody that 731 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 3: they can believe in again, someone who grew up like 732 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: most Missourians, and someone who wants to invest in our 733 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: state again. So, you know, the more people we can 734 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 3: get on that train, the better. You know, share us 735 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 3: on social media and if you've got friends or family 736 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 3: in Missouri, tell them about this, Tell me you heard 737 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 3: about me to date, Tell them to look us up 738 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 3: and lobby that support for us. 739 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about a great Missourian, a 740 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: Republican named Jack dan Forth, a man of principal and character. 741 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: Why do you talk about. 742 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: Him a little bit? Because though you disagree with him 743 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: on some issues, no doubt, as as do as do I, 744 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: he was a man of character when he served in 745 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: the United States Senate. 746 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: So I my family after a little while, became episcopalion 747 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: and our minister Harve actually knew Jack dan Forth pretty 748 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 3: well since Jack dan Forth was an episcopealion minister too. 749 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: And and when I got into Yale and I got 750 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 3: to go on that pel grant and some scholarships people 751 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 3: gave me around town, he reached out to Jack dan Forth, 752 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 3: who by the way, was like one of my mom's 753 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: favorites growing up, and and asked him if he'd meet 754 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 3: with me, and he said yes, And so we actually 755 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 3: drove up to Saint Louis and I met with him, 756 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 3: and he told me some stories about where I was headed, 757 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 3: because you know, I didn't really know anything, and and 758 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 3: and was really nice to me and a great guy. 759 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 3: And so you know, I respect him for that. And 760 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 3: that's that's my know about him personally. And you know, 761 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: people have always said very nice things about it. I 762 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 3: think it's unfortunate that he got tied up with Josh Holly. 763 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: You know, he supported him the first time around pretty heavily. 764 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 3: And but you know what, Josh Holly's a col man 765 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 3: and and sometimes. 766 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 2: He gets people. 767 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: And you know, it's not the first time Josh Holly 768 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 3: gotten somebody before, and so I think it's you know, 769 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad to see that. Jack dan Forth has since 770 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 3: said that Josh Holly's the worst mistake he's ever made. 771 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 3: And uh, and I hope he'll, you know, put his 772 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 3: money where his mouth is and and continue to try 773 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 3: to help all of us who are doing everything we 774 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 3: can to undo that mistake. 775 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: It's quite an incredible thing for a Republican United States 776 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: senator and an Episcopal priest to survey his life and 777 00:38:53,080 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: say the worst mistake I ever made was Josh. Incredible. 778 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: He's probably right right, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Last 779 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: person I wanted to talk to you about, who like you, 780 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: is playing, spoken, fierce and honorable was Harry Truman. The 781 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: Buck stops Here. Harry Truman was in the Speaker's Hideaway 782 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: playing cards on April twelfth, nineteen forty five, and got 783 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: a call saying you got to come back to the 784 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: White House right away. Harry Truman got back there as 785 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: quick as he could, walks in. He's received by Eleanor Roosevelt. 786 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: Eleanor Roosevelt says, Harry, the President is dead, and Harry 787 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: Truman says to her, Missus Roosevelt, is there anything I 788 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: can do for you? And she looks back at him. 789 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: It says no, mister President, is there anything I can 790 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: do for you? And he said, in that moment, he 791 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: felt like the moon, the stars, and the weight of 792 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: all the heavens landed on his shoulders. An ordinary man, 793 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: combat veteran of the First World War who served as county, 794 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: served as state, and ultimately became one of the nation's 795 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: great presidents with an ethos the buck stops here. So 796 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: we live in a time where no one's accountable for anything. 797 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: Everybody's pointing a finger at someone else. This plain spoken, 798 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: Missouri man, the lessons of his life for you are what? 799 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: And we'll leave as the last question before I ask 800 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: you to close out with anything you'd like to say. 801 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, man, Harry Truman's one of the greats. I 802 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 3: actually I live in Independence, Missouri, home of Harry Truman. 803 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 3: I live right by the town square there and you 804 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: can see Harry Truman's house out my bathroom window well 805 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 3: in the winter time. 806 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 2: But I still think that counts. And you know, Truman 807 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 2: was one. 808 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 3: Of those guys who many times did the right thing 809 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 3: despite everyone telling. 810 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 2: Him not to. 811 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 3: And you know, one of the probably the greatest example 812 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 3: I can give is when he integrated the United States military. 813 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: He just did it. 814 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 3: Everybody told him, you're going to lose the South, You're 815 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 3: going to lose the presidency. He did it anyway everybody 816 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 3: predicted he was going to because it was the right 817 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 3: thing to do. 818 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 2: Everybody predicted he was going to lose the election in 819 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight. 820 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 3: You know, there's a famous picture of him holding up 821 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: the newspaper at the Elms Hotel in Missouri where in 822 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 3: Excelsor Springs that says, you know, Dewey defeats Truman. And 823 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: you know what, he worked the ground, He met as 824 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: many people as he could. 825 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 2: He did his whistle stop tour because for him, it 826 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 2: was everyday people. 827 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 3: That were important to him. 828 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 2: That's what we're doing in Missouri. It's how we running 829 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 2: our campaign. 830 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 3: We are going town to town, meeting as many people 831 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 3: as possible, because that's who matters to me. You know, 832 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 3: when I started this campaign, I said, the only people 833 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 3: I'm ever gonna oh are the people who took care 834 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 3: of me everyday, Missourians and you know, like the folks 835 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 3: who took care of my family when we were growing up. 836 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 3: And I can tell you right now, like I put 837 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 3: my money where I'm in my mouth is we take 838 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: no money from corporate packs, no money from federal lobbyists, 839 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 3: no money from fossil fuel executives, no money from big 840 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 3: farm executives, big ad. You know, we have a pretty 841 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 3: long list. And when we started this campaign, everybody, like 842 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 3: I was told that's impossible. You know, one person said 843 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 3: that's stupid, it's impossible to run. 844 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 2: A modern campaign that way. 845 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 3: But for me, I think it's impossible to represent the 846 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: people you're supposed to represent if you do take that money. So, 847 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 3: like Harry Truman, I decided to do it the right way. 848 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 3: We're gonna do the right thing, We're gonna do it anyway. 849 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes when you do the right thing, 850 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 3: people notice, right they know it is for Harry, and 851 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 3: he won and and for us. 852 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 2: We raised record money despite. 853 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 3: All of those restrictions we put on our campaign, and 854 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 3: and so for me, you know, it's it just goes 855 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 3: back to you know, I didn't say his name earlier, 856 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 3: but this guy, Larry, who was Jennifer's mom, who did 857 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 3: the right thing, was no one was looking to let 858 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: a kid know that, you know, he matters in this world. 859 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 3: And you know, it's people like the marine veteran who 860 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 3: ran our church kitchen, who took time out of his 861 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 3: day to give us a dishwasher two years after he 862 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 3: figured out we might need one. It's Harry Truman doing 863 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 3: the right thing despite the fact it's going to cost him. 864 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 2: That's what we do. 865 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 3: It's the way we take care of each other, and 866 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 3: and it's the way we get this country back on track. 867 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: I want to say one last thing, even though I 868 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,479 Speaker 1: said I was going to let you say the last thing. Everybody, 869 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: everybody who watches this, I want to say something to you. 870 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: There's so many many people that write comment on these 871 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: sites and they are deeply worried, and they ask what 872 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: can they do. I'm going to tell you very directly 873 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: what you can do. It doesn't matter if it's five dollars, 874 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: ten dollars, twenty dollars or a couple thousand dollars. Every 875 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: dollar counts. Please, I implore you help fix our country. 876 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: Send this man to the United States Senate. Send him there, 877 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: help him communicate to the good people who live in Missouri, 878 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: to take out one of the worst, most dishonest, obnoxious, 879 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: spoiled people that has ever ever served. Becoming a United 880 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: States Senator, having the opportunity to serve your state under 881 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: the Capital Dome built by Lincoln's insistence, the greatest act 882 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: of optimism in American history during the height of Civil War. 883 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 1: Josh Holly is desecrated, desecrated his oath, broke his word, 884 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: He broke the covenant between the American revolution in a 885 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: million patriots who gave the last full measure of devotion 886 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: so that we may live in freedom. 887 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 2: He shattered it. 888 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: Get rid of them, because he is a national security threat. 889 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: He is as unworthy as a person could conceivably be 890 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: to sit in a position of political responsibility and power 891 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: in this country. And I want to be clear, you 892 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: get enough of those people together, they can wreck wreck 893 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: a society. We got to get rid of those people, 894 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: and we got to put people like this guy into 895 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: high political office in this country because he's on your side. 896 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: Do everything you can to talk about Lucas Koons, to 897 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: talk about his campaign, and to support his campaign. You 898 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,720 Speaker 1: can do it from all over the country. This isn't 899 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: a fight just from HISI. This is a fight in 900 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: Missouri for America, and this man is on the American side. 901 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: That man is not Lucas Coon's for United States Senate. 902 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: Write him a check, make phone calls for him, go 903 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,439 Speaker 1: to Missouri for a weekend and knock on doors for him. 904 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: Participate in our democracy and take our country back from 905 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,959 Speaker 1: this madness. Lucas Konz, thanks for being here. Good luck 906 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: to you. Everybody fight hard for Lucas Coons, because he's 907 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 1: going to fight hard for you. 908 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. Steve