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Speaker 1: What is six on housing Fucking Himmler one four eighty

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Speaker 1: bro I held off. People always wonder like why has

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Speaker 1: has Robert not done this guy yet? Why has he

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Speaker 1: not done that guy yet? And there's always a mix

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Speaker 1: of things like why haven't I done maw yet? Well,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know a whole lot about Chinese history

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to have to do a shitload of

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Speaker 1: reading to like do those episodes well. And I'm just

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Speaker 1: But I was primarily nervous because prior to doing this,

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Speaker 1: I had read a lot of the books on Heinrich

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Speaker 1: Kimler that exist, and I've just I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of this was just going back and rereading portions, but

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Speaker 1: than fucking six episodes, like the amount of Heinrik Kimmler

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about, I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: we've really got some time to let these episodes breathe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, dude, I think like I when't like even

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Speaker 2: I'm like dude like CO could feel like, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, So in my head, I would say this, this, this,

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Speaker 2: that idea to decide. Homie like, that's cool. I'll just ye,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, before we get into more Himmler, I want

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Speaker 1: can send the money that way too. Anyway, let's talk

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Speaker 1: that's the anti Christian argument from these guys. Essentially, right,

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Speaker 1: And Williget's particular special interest is in this very real

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Speaker 2: We need to show them, We need to show them

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Speaker 1: You just don't have the blood of the ice Kings

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Speaker 1: only did he have royal blood, just like von Listen,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know, well, who was in your kingdoms? Right?

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Speaker 1: Nope, No, subjects don't get reincarnated, just the cool people,

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Speaker 1: Oh got it? So in Himmler's kind of come late

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Speaker 1: the Germans. Like, oh, that's definitely actually who I was.

424
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: We're both named Heinrich for one thing, so like, I mean,

425
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: there's that, right, And oh.

426
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just like I'm just I'm picturing you stuck

427
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: at like the company party over by, like next to

428
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: the bar by the like right, you know what I'm saying,

429
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: and this guy sound and you're just trying. I don't

430
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: want to piss him off, but please someone come rescue me,

431
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: Like we should have made a code. Someone come get me.

432
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so funny, like because you've got this

433
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: this it's kind of like if you've ever been to

434
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: like a work party and suddenly you realize, like, oh

435
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: my god, my boss or this guy who's like above

436
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: me in the company hierarchy is really drunk and he's

437
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: saying some shit he shouldn't be saying, like, oh I

438
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: just learned that like our senior vice president thinks that

439
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: nine to eleven was an inside job. I'm not saying

440
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: that happened to me. I'm just saying it would be

441
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: like if that happened that they're hanging out like, oh shit,

442
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting FaceTime with Heinrich Himler, Like this is gonna

443
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: be great for my career in the Wait, you're the

444
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: reincar What yeah that has king?

445
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: You say that has happened to me? Well, just like, oh,

446
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: you're a dumbass, Like it is a weird fearing Yeah,

447
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: Like wait what yeah, okay, yeah totally so. Heinrich the

448
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: First was a real king. He was born in eight

449
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: seventy six a d. He had been crowned the first

450
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: King of the Germans around nine sixteen a d. And

451
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: then died in nine thirty six, which is not a

452
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: bad run for a dude in that period of time.

453
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, Himmler's main justification for

454
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: why he was the reincarnation of this guy was number one,

455
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: they're both named Heinrich, and number two, King Heinrich was

456
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: way more impressive than Heinrich. Himler right, so obviously that

457
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: guy must be me.

458
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm named after my grandpa. And we don't Again I

459
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: brought this up a little bit earlier, we don't actually

460
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: know when he starts believing he's Heinrich. The first there's

461
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: outside evidence, we get other people talking about this. I

462
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: think at thirty six for the first time. I suspect

463
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: not long after he and will get meet in like

464
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: thirty three is when he starts. I don't think it

465
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: takes long for that belief to get inculcated, but maybe

466
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of It starts with just this

467
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: inner circle of the other occult weirdos at the SS,

468
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: and it's gradually that he's willing to tell more people

469
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: because you do get the sense we'll talk about this

470
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: more in later episodes, but that he is kind of

471
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: embarrassed about this a little bit sometimes, like he doesn't

472
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: want every he doesn't want to talk. He doesn't want

473
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: to sit down necessarily and explain to Hitler everything he

474
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: believes about this being reincarnated v. The SS is his

475
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: safe space. Nobody can question him there now. The primary

476
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: impact that accepting this about himself this belief has on

477
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: Himmler is that it gives him an excuse to go

478
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: absolutely hog wild with all the new money and power

479
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: that had started flowing towards the SS. In the early

480
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: years of the regime, he and Willigut went on regular

481
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: trips to significant magical sites around Germany, and during one

482
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: visit in late nineteen thirty three, Williget showed him Weblsburg

483
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: Castle we w Elsberg And this is okay, I think

484
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: the primary castle Wolfenstein is based on, right, Wursenstein is

485
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: obviously this one, it sounds most like. But Weblsburg is

486
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: the evil Nazi a cult castle, right dude.

487
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: So Like, the more I'm thinking about this, like as

488
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: a parent and also as a teacher, and like a

489
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: former teacher and a rapper, like in hip hop with

490
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: your kids or with while watching other kids, it's almost

491
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: like you can see the may up story become.

492
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: True to that to that kid, you know what I mean?

493
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Whether it's like my children, like I said, them playing

494
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: around and they're telling some sort of story. Like I'm

495
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: watching my daughter tell a story to her friends and

496
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: we're like that ain't happen, you.

497
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: Know, but like, but it's cute.

498
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: And then six months later she's telling it to us

499
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: like you remember when, and we're like, baby, you made that.

500
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Up, you know.

501
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: But at this point the cement has settled. You see

502
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: it all the time with like gangster rappers were like,

503
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: you just start telling this story about yourself and you're like, sir,

504
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: you did this is not your life.

505
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: No, you're you're simply like invented this. I've had I've

506
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: had this experience, like hanging out with friends who were

507
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: in the military and other buddies of theirs and hearing

508
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: different versions of the same story that you can't all

509
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: like someone has to have some details wrong, and they

510
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: were all there. And I think a lot of the

511
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: time it's the result. Some of it's just people make

512
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: mistakes or see something that they think they don't, but

513
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: some of it's you start telling yourself something in the

514
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: immediate wake of a traumatic event that's not quite the truth,

515
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: because it's easier to accept than the truth. Yeah, and

516
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: you tell it often enough that it becomes real, it

517
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: becomes load bearing to your psyche, right, yes, And you know,

518
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Himmler at some point like this is that's certainly part

519
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: of this, right is like because he especially as the

520
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: war starts to go worse and worse, this like belief

521
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: that in this the mystical nature of things, that I

522
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: am the real that there's destiny, right, I am destined

523
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: for great things. So even though the situation seems bad,

524
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: now we're going to figure something out, right, Yeah, Now, yeah,

525
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: because I'm special, I'm the special boy of history. Special boy.

526
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: So they find this castle. Himmler falls in love with it. Now,

527
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: Webblesburg Castle had been created in the sixteen hundreds, and

528
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: it was like less of a real castle that like

529
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: nightly because you know, this is after kind of the

530
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: medieval period. It's more of like a rich guy house castle,

531
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: like a fortress castle, right, Yeah, But there had at

532
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: one point earlier in history there had been other castles there,

533
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: possibly a Castle of Heinrich. The first was kind of

534
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: in the same area. It was also close to where

535
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: some people thought the Battle of tudeberg Wald might have

536
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: been fought in nine eighty right, got battle between the Romans,

537
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and so this is all pretty thin stuff. I don't

538
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: know that it's exactly where all that happened, but that

539
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: was that was enough for Himler was like, oh, like

540
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: the guy I'm reincarnated from his castle was here. This

541
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: is where we fought this great battle against the empire

542
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: of our day. And one you know, this is obviously

543
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: a site of magical importance. There's so many lay lines

544
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: crossing through, like this is a place of power. And

545
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: so he leases the castle from the local government for

546
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: one hundred years at the rate of one mark per year,

547
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: and this is going to become the SS's spiritual headquarters.

548
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Now Webolsburg is in terrible shape. It's not liveable, but

549
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Himmler ultimately spends more than eleven million marks in the

550
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: first year alone renovating it. And they put it but

551
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: they put in rooms, like Himmler has a room there.

552
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: All of the high ranking SS guys have their own suites,

553
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: and they put in like this is basically built as

554
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: like a like a gathering like almost a community center

555
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: for the SS. So you've got places you can hold conferences,

556
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: You've got like rooms where you can give speeches and

557
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: whatnot fellowship. Yeah, yes, exactly. You can have parties and

558
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: you can do the rituals there. Now, obviously he can't

559
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: spend the SS budget on this because this is an

560
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: extracurricular activity and he doesn't want to deal with like

561
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: the chance of getting in trouble, you know, with the

562
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: with the furor over this bryce spending state money. So

563
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: he creates a nonprofit called the Society for the Advancement

564
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: and Maintenance of German Artifacts. Now I have to go

565
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: back a little bit and say that Himmler has collected

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: a group of rich men around him who are willing

567
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: to fund projects like this. And this happens because after

568
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: the Nazi seizure of power, Hitler makes an industrialist named

569
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: Wilhelm Kepler his economic advisor. And Kepler is one of

570
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: these rich guys who was not super gung ho about

571
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party necessarily, but with super gung ho about

572
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: their ability to defeat the Left and be really good

573
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: for rich guys like him. Right, Yeah, And Kepler this

574
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: position that Hitler gives him, it's kind of a sop

575
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: to the plutocratic class, but it doesn't give him direct power.

576
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: And Kepler he really cares about the economy, but not

577
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: much else. And he's one of these guys who you

578
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of these guys around Trump now, who

579
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: are I don't really like necessarily all the economic stuff

580
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to do. Can you just stick to fucking

581
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: up the people who want to tax me more and

582
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: not destroy the economy, because your ideas on that are bad, right, dude? Yeah? Right?

583
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: And so Kepler looks for ways to influence Nazi economic

584
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: policies subtly from within using money, Right, who do we

585
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: need to bribe to stop them from doing the crazy

586
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: shit that'll be bad for the economy or at least

587
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: bad for my part of the economy. In March of

588
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, he convinces Himler to let him into

589
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: the SS, right, And I don't know if his actual

590
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: racial background was perfectly clean or if it's just you know,

591
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: enough money makes you arian, right, Yeah, yeah, But he

592
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: gets into the SS, and he gradually is able to

593
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: get a coterie of his fellow rich guy friends to

594
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: join the SS, and they form an official group within

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: the SS called the Friends of the Reich's Fewer right,

596
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the Friends of Heinrich Keimler. Basically, now this is a

597
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: formal group. They have monthly meetings. Himmler oversees the meetings personally.

598
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: He picks who gets to be a member, and about

599
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: once a month they meet and sometimes he'll give a

600
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: lecture about how policing in Germany is changing. Sometimes he'll

601
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: give a lecture about the ancient Armen and warrior priests

602
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: and their runic alphabet. Right. Sometimes he'll talk about reincarnation,

603
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, whatever kind of shit he's interested in that week.

604
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes he'll talk about yeah, like breeding the Master race.

605
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: You know his podcast, it's his podcast that's just for

606
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: him and his three dozen richest friends.

607
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Right, finally, if he finally landed it, we finally got there.

608
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: He's these guys I don't think mostly believe this, and

609
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I I don't think most of them care. They just

610
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: this is the FaceTime I got to put in with Himmler,

611
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: and he's someone who can make things happen for me.

612
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the boss. He owns the spot, so

613
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: like you kind of got to be there.

614
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: He owns the spot. He's got influence, you know. And

615
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: so this group, by the late thirties is about three

616
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: dozen guys, the friends of Heinrich Kimler, and they represent

617
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: all the major moneyed interests in Germany, right, like every

618
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: big company in major banking cartel has a guy in there.

619
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty six, Himmler first asks the friends to

620
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: donate money to the SS for cultural and social purposes.

621
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: And they'll basically carve out their ara's equivalent of like, yeah,

622
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: like a five oh one c or whatever and or

623
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's better to compare this to like a

624
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: super PACs right where they're creating packs and putting the

625
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: money in and then the SS can use that for

626
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: whatever thing they want, right, even though it's not technically

627
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: their money and it's not coming out of their budget, right,

628
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: because this is a donation. And this is how Himmler

629
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: pays to remodel Weblsburg Castle, and it's how most of

630
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the SS shenanigans. They're sending expeditions all around the world.

631
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: In the late thirties, they sent an expedition to Tibet.

632
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: All this stuff is funded by the Friends of Heinrich Kimler. Okay,

633
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: because that was gonna be my next question.

634
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: Because the dollar the lease in it for a dollar

635
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: a year, I'm like, no, notes, bro, brilliant, Yeah, smart

636
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: good caah yeah, and then I was like, in the

637
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: eleven million is an investment, that makes sense. But I

638
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: was like, where you get that money from? But like

639
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: that was going to be my question.

640
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: Happened? How that happened? Right? Yeah? And that's that's this

641
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: is where the money comes from. Yeah. So Himler's got

642
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: no interest. This is like the charity they create is

643
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: like for the maintenance of German artifacts. Him he's not

644
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: interested in maintaining real artifacts. And in fact, he has

645
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: destroyed the historic value of the castle by now because

646
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: he has rebuilt the interior as a pagan temple to

647
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: the to Wotan, right, Like, you don't care about the history, bro,

648
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Like you just know the because the history is an

649
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: invention of his.

650
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, yeah, first of all, you don't

651
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: believe history. You make up history.

652
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: Now, yea, you're making all of this up. So he

653
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: has the castle rebuilt into a pagan temple to the gods.

654
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: Von Listen, Liebenfels and Wheelagut had basically invented the core

655
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: of the property was a vast dining hall that would

656
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: act as an evil version of King Arthur's round table.

657
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: And I want to quote from Bill Yen's book. Each

658
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: of the chosen knights would have his own high back,

659
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: pig leather chair with his name engraved on a silver plate.

660
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: Here at this table, the SS officers would sit and

661
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: meditate in a trance like state. The overall theme of

662
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: the interior decorators naturally revolved around pagan symbolism, the swastika,

663
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: the SS lightning bolts, and the ruins of the Armanen futarch,

664
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: which is like the runic alphabet.

665
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, this reminds me of like, Okay,

666
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: obviously I'm extremely married, so I'm out the game. But

667
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: like I do remember times where there was like if

668
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: you're single enough and someone is hot enough to where

669
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: you're willing to put up with their weird hippie dippy shit,

670
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: yo say where You're just like, I don't know, this

671
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: fool is super smoking hot, but whenever I go whenever

672
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: I go see them, I gotta like drink rose water

673
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: and charge my crystals with candles, you know what I'm saying, Like,

674
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: you're just like and so now so I'm thinking, like, yeah,

675
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: I really want to be in this I really want

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: to be in this club, but I gotta go pretend

677
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: to meditate with these like you just have to go.

678
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I don't know, dude, this fools. They

679
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: pretty hot though, like I.

680
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: Got yeah, they're they're pretty They're pretty Yeah, you got

681
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: you gotta do something. They might want some of your

682
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: blood for a ritual. I don't know, but like I mean,

683
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: look at him. I'll look at him's pretty hot. And

684
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I believe whatever. I believe whatever,

685
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what twenty again, I get a

686
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of weird religious ship in my early twenties, a

687
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: lot of weird religions.

688
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: I have gone to many hyposthetic dances.

689
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Because yeah, some of the demon with you, yo, saying,

690
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.

691
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: She fine is hell, Like that's just what she into.

692
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: I look, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, who's to say

693
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: what's true? Certainly not me. You will make so you

694
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: will justify a lot, right right, And yeah, that's what's

695
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: going on here. So Weblsburg is also it's the center

696
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: of the spiritual chunk of the SS and it's the

697
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: center of heindroch Himler's growing obsession with replacing Christianity, particularly

698
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: with replacing Catholicism with a faith friendlier to the third

699
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Reich's ambitions within the SS, he began substituting Christmas with

700
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: a solstice yule Tide celebration. So again you're basically banned

701
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: from celebrating Christmas in the SS if you're doing it.

702
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: And now to do people still celebrate Christmas? Sure they're

703
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: not like recording everyone at all times, but you're not

704
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: supposed to. And for an example for an idea of

705
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: what people what was expected in the SS, I found

706
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: a translation of a nineteen thirty nine guide for people

707
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: in the SS titled The SS Family by General Fritz Weitzel.

708
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: In it, he describes the origins of the Yule Tide

709
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: as something separate from Christianity and explains that originally people

710
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: celebrated the Yule Tide because, like the whole death and

711
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: resurrection thing from Christianity, they stole it from this ancient

712
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: belief that like it was about the sun. Right, the

713
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 1: sun stops coming out as much during the shortest, coldest days,

714
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: and the Yule Tide is when that starts to switch

715
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: and the days start get longer again. The sun is coming.

716
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: In other words, that's the reincarnation right quote, the sun's

717
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: path got shorter and during Yule time, there would be

718
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: only a fuel out few hours of daylight, and then

719
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: it would sink into the cold North sea and was

720
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: gobbled up as if eaten by a monster. On midwinter day,

721
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: it was dead and lay in its grave. The question

722
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: whether the sun would stay buried was of equal importance

723
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: to the question whether mankind would live or die. On

724
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: midwinter day, the miracle happened. The sun rose from its

725
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: watery grave. It was born like a child, gathered strength,

726
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: and appeared in front of the celebrating and joyous folk,

727
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: who felt that life was given back to them. This

728
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: happened every year, and every year they celebrated this as

729
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: their most important festival, their sacred and holy night festival. Man,

730
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is like.

731
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: The the Christian would agree that, like, yeah, the Yule

732
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: tide is evil, like Santa Claus, it's Satan. It's not

733
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: supposed to be a part of Christmas. So you're right,

734
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: you gotta it's not Christian, dude, that's crazy that like that,

735
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: And then Day's fools would be like, yeah, you're right, Yeah, no.

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: It's not not. And it just stolen from us.

737
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: You stole it from us. You know, I'm saying what

738
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: a crazy weird like agreement. You're like, yeah, no, you're yeah, no,

739
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: totally one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, I'll just be doing this.

740
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's some like real shit mixed up in there, Like,

741
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: for example, the timing of Christmas celebration is related to

742
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: the fact that there was a celebration called the Saturnalia

743
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: in Rome during a similar time, and like, well, if

744
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out when to hold this thing,

745
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: it's easier as you transition people from one religion to

746
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: the other to like have and this is just always

747
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: all throughout the world, cultures do shit around this time

748
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: of year.

749
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, there's just like just you know,

750
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: and if you and if you're the like the Empire,

751
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: you're just like, well, I don't care about none of

752
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: y'all's faith. Look, watch y'all all do it a convenient

753
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Let's just do it all on Tuesday.

754
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: We're already doing something at this point of the year. Yeah,

755
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: fuck it, this is when you.

756
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Go you do whatever, you will, you go, you do it.

757
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: We're just gonna do it on Tuesday. Y'all want to

758
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: day off work, Okay.

759
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: Let's do that, right, And so what they're what the

760
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: SS is trying to do is trying to be like, yeah,

761
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: first off, here's the real origins of like what Christianity, right,

762
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: it didn't start, Yeah, it really started as like this thing,

763
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: and this is the actual real origin of it. And

764
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: there's it's interesting this book there's no direct mention of

765
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: Christianity at all, which on its own, there's nothing like,

766
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with the idea of like, here's what

767
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: we're doing and it's a different kind of celebration at

768
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: this time of the year. But the goal here for

769
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: the Nazis is to replace They're not trying to replace

770
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Christianity because they have issues with the religion. They are

771
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: trying to make Nazism the new religion, and they are

772
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: trying to replace a belief in a God with a

773
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: belief in the perfectibility of German people through eugenics, the

774
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: Aryan race that we are trying to return by selective breeding,

775
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: trying to read the Nordic race back into Arians. That's God. See.

776
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: See, that's the actual war on Christmas, you know what

777
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So this you know, uh, at some point

778
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: we was probably gonna do a tap in about James

779
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Dobson dying and who ruined many of Chris Christmas for.

780
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: Plenty of people.

781
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: So you know what I'm saying, you got to focus

782
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: on the funeral with that dog. But like, it's just

783
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: so interesting to think that, like, you know, I know,

784
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: this ain't the point of what you're saying, but like

785
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: this belief that you locked into this existential war with

786
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: the culture that like that mot that James Dobson was

787
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: really big on, is like, well, there was a war,

788
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: my friend, but it's not the one that you locked into.

789
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, you missing the point you

790
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: actually scored points on for these folks. You know, I'm like,

791
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: luckily for us in our house, like the benefit for

792
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: us not really falling for the James Dobson juju was

793
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: that he was freakishly races. So it became kind of

794
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: obvious that like, oh, oh, you're not talking to us, Okay.

795
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: So but anyway, it's the specificity of them being like

796
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: it's almost like like when the conspiracy theorists is sometimes right.

797
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, CIA, Yeah, like the CIA put crack in

798
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: the inner cities. Okay, so the CIA, you know, has

799
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: a mind control laser dot man. But yeah, I feel

800
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: like it'd have been better at shit if they had

801
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: the mind control laser.

802
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no, really, there is someone trying

803
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: to replace your religion.

804
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: It's just the Nazis, like, yeah, it's like whenever, yeah,

805
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: when people are like, yeah, there is a small group

806
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: of powerful, wealthy people who largely control politics. No no,

807
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: not not that, not that, not that group. They're actually

808
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: like a bunch of different religions. A lot of them

809
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: don't even believe in anything now, all sorts of races. Yeah, exactly.

810
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, there's a there's no mention of Christianity

811
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: in this this booklet at all, but there there is.

812
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: You can see very clearly and almost stated directly that

813
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: their desire is to replace Christianity and the God of

814
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: the Christian faith with the Aryan race. The guy it

815
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: has detailed instructions for setting up instead of a Christmas tree,

816
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: an SS tree. And I know you're wondering what that

817
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: looks like, and the answer is it looks like shit.

818
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: Like basically, it's a circular wreath sideway hanging from a pole,

819
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: so it's not even like a tree. It looks like

820
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: it's not a tree. It looks like shit, it looks

821
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: like it's dying. It looks like Charlie Brown's whack ass

822
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: Christmas tree. Look at this fucking terrible Charlie Brown's looks better.

823
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown was definitely better at Christmas than the SS.

824
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: Imagine waking up Christmas morning. You wake up Christmas morning

825
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: to see this, See this fucking disk as green disc

826
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: on a stick. The fuck is wrong with you?

827
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: Mom?

828
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: And dad looks like a paper towel. Yeah, you see

829
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: that shit in your fucking living room on Christmas Day?

830
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: And you know you're not getting an N sixty four, Right,

831
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna still be playing Golden Eye at your friend's house.

832
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: I know you're getting socks, bro, you are getting You're

833
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: getting socks. You're simply getting socks. Yeah. So the book

834
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: notes that a good SS housewife is expected to bake

835
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: three different kinds of cakes for Yule Tide celebrations, and

836
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Warren's quote a good SS housewife should pride herself on

837
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: keeping to the old recipes in shapes and rejecting all

838
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: cheap and American factory produced goods.

839
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh lord, that big changes.

840
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: Now. I know what you're all asking at this point,

841
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: which is what was the SS explanation for Santa and

842
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: how did they replace him?

843
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Right?

844
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Is this a thing where they're like, the Santa is

845
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: obviously this decadent capitalist bullshit. No, no, no, the SS

846
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: embraces Santa. They just again say that the Jews, who

847
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: are secretly in charge of Christianity, stole Santa Claus from

848
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: the Nordic people.

849
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: Right.

850
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Ah, here's another quote from that book. The old feast

851
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: of Wotan is on Yule sixteenth. In olden days, the

852
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: god of our ancestors drove through the air, visited his people,

853
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: was friendly to them, and left them little presents. He

854
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: wanted to announce the start of the winter solstice season

855
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: and the coming of the new year. The Christian Church

856
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: couldn't suppress these yearly visits of this white bearded, one

857
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: eyed leader of the good spirits, so they put one

858
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: of its assumed saints, Saint Nicholas, in his place. But

859
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: in many areas of Germany, the writer on a white

860
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: horse also known as Ruprect, the one shining with glory

861
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: Wotan or simply Father Yule Tide remained. S s family

862
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: should gather together and make make the visit of Father

863
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: Yule Tide a memorable event for their children. So na, na, No,

864
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: Wotan actually is the original Santa. God would just visit

865
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: his people and give them presents. And the Christians stole

866
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: that and replaced it with Saint Nicholas. But no, no,

867
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: it's it's Wotan and come and give your give your

868
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: kids candy, nuts and stuff.

869
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

870
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: Man.

871
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: And then and then the Christians are like, no, no,

872
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: Santa evil too.

873
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: Santa's evil. That's I think the bapt I don't think

874
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: that's super male. I don't know enough about Lutheranism in

875
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: this period of time, but I don't think they're anti

876
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: Santa now.

877
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: Lutheranism, Yeah, no, they was with it because of the Saints.

878
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: But they was kind of like, yeah, Lutherans are like

879
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: basically just like Catholics without the pope.

880
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: Like at this point they weren't. They were really just trying.

881
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: To reform the Catholics. They weren't trying to actually leave ye.

882
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, and so yeah, this is Himmler. You know,

883
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: this is kind of the first direct reference to Christianity

884
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: that you find in this is like the Christian Church

885
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: stole Santa from the Wotatists. Oh man, that's funny. Now,

886
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: ss men who came from Christian backgrounds, which was basically

887
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: all of them, weren't required to renounce their faith, but

888
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: they were made to pledge allegiance to Hitler, and specifically

889
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: they had to pledge to put this allegiance to Hitler

890
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: above any allegiance they had to the Catholic Church or

891
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: any other church. So they do have to say I

892
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: am in this for Hitler before the Pope, right, they

893
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: have to if they're going if they are Catholic, they

894
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: have to promise that.

895
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: Right.

896
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: So this is again, this is this is not just

897
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: a Nazi thing. As I try to emphasize, the German

898
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: authoritarians being uncomfortable with the Catholic Church goes back as

899
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: far as out of on Bismarck will Germany becomes a thing.

900
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: Bismarck's first real concern is but this Catholic Church is

901
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: a second center of power. Right, So what we see

902
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: with the Nazis in Himmler's war against Catholicism in particular

903
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: and Christianity in general is an extension of what authoritarian

904
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Germans have been doing since the birth of Germany. And

905
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: that is important to note, right, this doesn't come out

906
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And so even though the occult stuff and

907
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: the pagan stuff is weird and not popular with the

908
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: broader Nazi party, the fact that there are people high

909
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: up in the party who are worried and see Christianity

910
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: as a threat is not new and doesn't feel super

911
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: out of place, right. It feels consistent with, you know,

912
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: the way in which the powers in Germany have what

913
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: they've seen as threats since the era of Bismarck. Right

914
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: In his book on the Nazi ocult, Bill Ye describes

915
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: the act of joining the SS as quote an act

916
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: of religious conversion. And as I've said, Yin's book, while

917
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: it's useful and it has a lot of good details,

918
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: he has book blinders. This is the same problem the

919
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: guy who wrote Blitz has right, where there's a lot

920
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: of good stuff in there about Hitler's drug use and

921
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: about drug use in the Third Reich, but also the

922
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: fact that he has focused on that makes him center

923
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: drug use and its impact on the decision making of

924
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: people in the Reich more than I think most historians

925
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: believe is accurate, right, because this is the thing he's

926
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: obsessed with, and Yen centers the occult shit more than

927
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: is reasonable even within the SS, right, and this is

928
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: not an like everyone who joins the SS is not

929
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: converting their religion and they're not being made to. It

930
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: depends in part on who you are. If you're some

931
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: kid coming in from the middle class who's you know,

932
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have much behind them, and who Himmler is like, Oh,

933
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: this guy got in trouble for this or for that,

934
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: so I can make him my own. Yeah, he's probably

935
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: going to really expect to see you buying into this stuff. Yeah,

936
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: if you're the rich and powerful industrialist who joined the

937
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: SS as a way to bribe Himmler, he doesn't. He's

938
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: not gonna like be a super big cop about whether

939
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: or not you're going to fucking church still or whether

940
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: or not you have an SS tree you're paying him, Right,

941
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: He's fine with it.

942
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: Right.

943
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be wrong to say that Himmler envisioned

944
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: the SS as an organization that members joining considered an

945
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: act of religious conversion, that this was his goal for

946
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: the SS ultimately, he just at no point is it

947
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: really that right now? It is treated as a religion

948
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: by the actual text of SS publications, that nineteen thirty

949
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: nine SS Guide, that I've been quoting from describes the

950
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Death's Head ring citation, which is, Himmler creates this award.

951
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: I think in thirty nine it becomes the highest award

952
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: in the SS. Only Himmler can give it out, Okay,

953
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: And the Death's head this is a symbol that goes

954
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: back in German military quite a while. There had been

955
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: these units, these elite mounted units that had worn the

956
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: death's head, right, and it's going to be He's going

957
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: there's going to be a branch of the SS, the Totenkough,

958
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: the Deathshead Division, which is the guys who run the

959
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: death camps, right. Those are the dudes when you see

960
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: not every SS guy had the Death's head, right, like

961
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: that was not everyone in the organization. Those are that's

962
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: a specific chunk of the organization. And there's a deathhead

963
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: ring that people. It's like the medal of honor within

964
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: the SS. Right. So Himmler, if Himmler really likes you,

965
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: or if you do something that is he is super into,

966
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: he thinks he's still adding to this right. And you

967
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: get this ring that's embedded with lists, armen and ruins,

968
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: which Himmler describes as holy symbols of our past. SS

969
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: General Whitzel notes the ring is a symbol of the

970
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: new SS religion. Upon the death of the wearer. The

971
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: ring is kept at Himmler's Webbelsburg Castle. And that was

972
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: as Sophie will show you the ring. The idea was,

973
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: this is what we're making, these into sacred relics. These

974
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: are like holy relics from our nightly Order, and everyone

975
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: who dies with one the ring comes back to the CA.

976
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I think presumably maybe it'd get reissued, and so you

977
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: build like he was, he's thinking of in thousand year terms,

978
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: after centuries, these will be holy relics. We're like, oh,

979
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: I've got this ring, and I know everyone before me

980
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: you had it, right.

981
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'd like take it off the dude's finger

982
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: or like yeah they believe it floats back into.

983
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: The Oh no they no, no, they take it like

984
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: they'll take it back to the castle. I'm like, look,

985
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: it's very possible. They're not quite that wu, They're not

986
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: quite like it's possible, bro. Yeah. Now. In nineteen thirty five,

987
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: the SS magazine Dash Schwartz Core or The Black Core

988
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: started publication. Circulation would eventually reach as many as seven

989
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand issues a week sold a thief.

990
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: That's made easier by the fact that buying it subscribing

991
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: as mandatory if you're in the SS, right, So yeah,

992
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: a little hard to say how many people are reading this,

993
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: but it's technically mandatory, so you have to think people

994
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: who are lower are keeping up with it, right, because

995
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: in part that's maybe how you get ahead, is saying

996
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: attention to what the boss is into. Figure out like, well,

997
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: how am I going to make myself noticed? Right? And

998
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: Himler used his in house magazine for political inns. There's

999
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: some practical point of this, right, He's got this SD,

1000
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: this security agency, and sometimes they'll find dirt on another

1001
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: German in power, another member of the party or a

1002
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: member of the government or a local leader, and it

1003
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: won't be enough to prosecute someone over. But if the

1004
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: SD leaks that dirt, it could be published in the

1005
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: Black Core, and then you can kind of like get

1006
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: people forced out of their jobs or whatever, otherwise punish

1007
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: people who are like slowing down the SS's work. So

1008
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: that's the practical use that having this magazine does, right,

1009
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: But the Black Core is also where Himmler would try

1010
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: to push new occult practices and popularize them among the

1011
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: SS rank and file. In the case of more substantial changes,

1012
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: it's where he would first make his arguments for how

1013
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: things ought to be, because like, this is a sympathetic

1014
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: and a captive audience and there's no single religious and

1015
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: moral issue that vexes Himmler more during this period the

1016
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: late thirties than his own. What becomes a personal war

1017
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: on marriage, like the Judeo Christian concept of marriage, he

1018
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: takes on as an enemy. The first bow in this

1019
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: war is launched. Oh yeah, yeah. He is very anti

1020
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: marriage in its traditional sense, and he launches. He's not

1021
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: anti marriage, but he's anti marriage as a Christian thing. Right,

1022
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: are you just trying to de christianize everything?

1023
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: Okay, right, exactly following now, I'm following now, okay, word.

1024
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: So this starts in nineteen thirty one. He restricts SS

1025
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: men from being married in Christian churches. Now Yen describes

1026
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: this as an outright ban. I don't see a straight

1027
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: up this is forbidden. But it's basically all of the

1028
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: literature is like you are here is how a wedding

1029
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: is done, and it doesn't involve the church and the SS.

1030
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: After thirty one has to approve every new wedding. Right,

1031
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: so if your wedding, if you're trying to get married

1032
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: in a church, they're not going to say yes unless

1033
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: I because I don't think this was a perfect one

1034
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent across the board thing. In part, guys who

1035
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: have are of the nobility. Guys who are rich, you

1036
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: have some options for getting around some of these rules, right.

1037
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: But in terms of what the normal rank and file

1038
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: are supposed to do. In that nineteen thirty nine hand book,

1039
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: General Whitzel acknowledged that a lot of women were we're

1040
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: having trouble with the idea of getting married without a church.

1041
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: That like, at this point, they've been doing it for

1042
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: eight years when he writes this guidebook in thirty nine,

1043
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: But like he acknowledges, this has been a problem. Quote

1044
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: even to this day, it seems impossible for many people

1045
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: to imagine these celebrations without the church and its servants,

1046
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: especially the women folk who were held captive by the

1047
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: trappings of wedding veil and incense, organ music and dark churches,

1048
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: and thought they could not do without such ritualsations. Yeah, Princess, yes, Wow.

1049
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: The party and its organizations are trying to advocate the

1050
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: thought of celebrating these festive occasions in accordance with our ideologies.

1051
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: But it repeatedly was observed that the ceremonies of the

1052
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: church were copied with officials doing the important actions, and

1053
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: that the celebrations were used for propaganda purposes outside the family. Right,

1054
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: So we noticed this when we first did this, everyone

1055
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: was just copying what the churches did, but with ss guys,

1056
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: and that's not right because that's still too close to

1057
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: the like we're really trying to get away from the

1058
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: idea of marriage. Yeah, guys too Christian. Yeah, so funny.

1059
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: We'll get into what they do next and how they

1060
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: de christianize marriage. But you know who else has declared

1061
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: war on the concept of marriage? Oh man, every lass

1062
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: one of them has, Yes, all of our sponsors, and

1063
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: so Sophy's leading them in a crusade against the concept

1064
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: of marriage. Low key barbaric. Yeah, and we're bad.

1065
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: I find such irony in the modern using so much

1066
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: Christian iconography. Like all I could think about was like, oh,

1067
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: so y'all ain't rid y'all.

1068
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: You didn't do to homework. Well, it's it's very American, like,

1069
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: like you know, Nazism in the United States was always

1070
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: going to be wrapped in a certain version of the faith.

1071
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: But it's also, as you'll notice, not Christianity in the

1072
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: traditional sense where there's articles about like a lot of

1073
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: like in the South, you have like preachers who were

1074
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: will be like reading literally Jesus' direct quotes, and people

1075
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: were like, well, that's woke bullshit, right, Like that can't

1076
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: be what he meant, right, Like yeah, currently, it's the

1077
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: same way. Jesus was pretty clear about certain stuff like

1078
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: rich people, right, the camel through the and then and

1079
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: then there's this whole like no, no, no, the needle

1080
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: was like a gate. The needle was like a gate,

1081
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: and it was only being enough for like a guy

1082
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: in a camel to get through. It was like it's

1083
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: not hard to like like it wasn't saying you can't.

1084
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I can still go to heaven even though like I'm

1085
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm hoarding all of this money that people could really.

1086
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: Been hoarding all these resources from everyone.

1087
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it, I still get to go to have it,

1088
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. People always do this with religion.

1089
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what religion it is. It's just they

1090
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: do it with politics to people just there's all. It's

1091
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: always really attractive and very easy to just be like,

1092
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: you know what, I already want these things, Like my

1093
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: impulses and desires have guided me to wanting this. That's

1094
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: probably what God or the universe wants, or that's probably

1095
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: consistent with my politics. That's effectively religion to me. Right, Yeah,

1096
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: you know this is what marks meant. This is et cetera.

1097
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: People can justify whatever bullshit they want with whatever text

1098
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: they want. Yeah, and do all the time.

1099
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's Gym's right there. That's really what

1100
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: we was witnessing.

1101
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So one of the first changes Himmler

1102
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: pushes through to change how marriage works is he introduces

1103
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: something called a sip In book, Right, and so every

1104
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: SS family has to have a sip in book, which

1105
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: is like a path support for getting married, and it

1106
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: lists your whole genealogy and your wife's genealogy. The idea

1107
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: is your kids will and you'll keep a track of

1108
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: this book listing your whole case like the history of

1109
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: your of your your different families and your marriages, so

1110
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: you can keep track of like, are we moving closer

1111
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: to this idealized air to breeding idealized arians. Here, are

1112
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: we improving the quality of our blood? Right?

1113
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, none of that gene pool diversity we need

1114
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: to keep.

1115
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: We need to keep all.

1116
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, of our anomalies and deficiencies in our genes, we

1117
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: need to double exactly.

1118
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it now, And billy En notes, and I

1119
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: think this is a good observation that the sip And

1120
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,479
Speaker 1: book is quote not unlike the sort of stud book

1121
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: that owners keep for race horses. And I think this

1122
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: probably is the direct inspiration because Himmler in his writings.

1123
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Hitler as well compare human breeding to livestock. We gave

1124
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: some of those quotes in the first episodes him he

1125
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: talks about like, yeah, you don't want like the oldest,

1126
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: you want like you don't want an old basically right,

1127
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: like they were already comparing stuff to livestock breeding to

1128
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: the idea that they look at how people breed horses

1129
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: and go, well, obviously the SS should work this way.

1130
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: I think makes sense that the Sippin book is inspired

1131
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: by stud books. I don't think that's much of a leap.

1132
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Yen goes on to note, quote, at one point, under

1133
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: the Sipin Book rules, a non SS man who'd had

1134
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: a Jewish ancestor. In seventeen eleven was forbidden to marry

1135
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: the daughter of an SS officer. So that's how strict

1136
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: this shit is. Wow. By nineteen thirty nine, the SS

1137
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: was nearing a quarter of a million men, as well

1138
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: as many thousands of women who weren't actual members, but

1139
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: they're formally affiliated with the SSSSS wives. There's an organization

1140
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: for SS wives. So you know, this is a size.

1141
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: It's like again, it's becoming a state within a state. Now,

1142
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: Himmler's anti Christian crusade had been effective within the SS,

1143
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: but not on the scale that he'd hoped, because most

1144
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: members of the SS throughout the period exists are still Christian. Right,

1145
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: About fifty four percent of SS personnel attended Protestant churches

1146
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: while enrolled in the SS, and another almost twenty four

1147
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: percent we're Catholic. Only about twenty two percent at most

1148
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: would have been full throated believers in the arminist Volcish

1149
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: mystic stuff. And of that number, I mean, that's obviously

1150
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot higher than the background level. But also not

1151
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: all of those non believers are full on into the weird,

1152
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: which some of them are just like atheists, right, they

1153
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: don't care, right, you know, maybe they care about the

1154
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: race stuff, but they don't believe in Wotan. Right. So

1155
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: you can see Himmler's had an impact, but he has not.

1156
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: This is not a massive, wild difference from the general population, right,

1157
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: And so he still has to be careful and intentional

1158
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: when he wants to push a big change. And one

1159
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest changes he wants to push that he

1160
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like even the SS is ready for

1161
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: is getting everyone to accept that the racial elite need

1162
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: to embrace polygamy. Right.

1163
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: Here comes the Wotank clan boys answer in the thirty

1164
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: six Chambers.

1165
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Now, all right, so the Nazis had always been pro natalist, right,

1166
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: And this is again this has come into vogue in

1167
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: the US now that Elon's a big advocate of Pronahalism.

1168
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: It's the idea that certain people need to have lots

1169
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: of kids, right when we're trying out to be white supremacist.

1170
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: Is just like, oh no, just smart people need to

1171
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: have kids. Smart people like families with money who have

1172
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of got rich in the tech industry, they

1173
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: need to have a shitload of kids because obviously their

1174
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: inherent characteristics got them rich in the fact that they

1175
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: were lucky and were born rich or whatever. And so

1176
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: this pro natalist policy, this has always been a thing

1177
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: that the Nazis loved. Hitler is big into this aspect

1178
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: of it increasing birth rates, and his regime immediately introduces

1179
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: marriage loans and a bunch of financial incentives for pro creating,

1180
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: and Nazi propaganda, including SS propaganda, publishes loving quotes from

1181
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: SS wives about how like giving birth is my contribution

1182
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: to the race war. It's how I fight. You know,

1183
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: the the husband is responsible for the spiritual health of

1184
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: the family, but I, you know, the woman like sets

1185
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: the emotional mood or whatever in the family, and like

1186
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff.

1187
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: The chief executive officer of the home wonder where we heard.

1188
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: That for, right, right, yeah, it's all yeah, that's always

1189
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: always how these people think. Now, as the thirties come

1190
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: to an end and Germany starts gearing up for war

1191
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: with Poland and starts its war with Poland, right, there's

1192
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, we brush over the war in Poland, the

1193
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: German the German and Soviet invasion as like, and they

1194
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: just crushed in steamrolled Poland because they do go through

1195
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: very quickly. There's never a real contest, but they suffer

1196
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: significant casualties taking poland like, it's not an insignificant number

1197
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: of guys who die, and a lot of SS guys

1198
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: are dying. And Himmler starts to worry, did we get

1199
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: something wrong? Because not all these young men had had

1200
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: time to get married or get married and have kids

1201
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: before they went and died at the front, which means

1202
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: that like their potentially ending a blood this part of

1203
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: this precious Nordic bloodline. Right, and even if they have

1204
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: a kid, they're young because they're soldiers, so they probably

1205
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: have had time to have more than one maybe two. Right,

1206
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: that's not enough. We want bigger families than that. But women,

1207
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: as part of one of the many flaws of their

1208
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: you know of the way things work with women, they

1209
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: can only have one kid at a time.

1210
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah they eggs has got an explorations Okay.

1211
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can only have kids for so long

1212
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: and only have one at a time. Really, if you're

1213
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: thinking about this from the perspective of what matters is

1214
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: the race, you know, the area and rate that our

1215
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: God is this race that we are trying to bring

1216
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: back through selective breeding and do existence and that's all

1217
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: that matters. It's illogical and maybe even evil to have

1218
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: young Nordic men be monogamous. Right, Maybe the only real

1219
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: consistent ethical thing to do, if you believe this, is

1220
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: have men having kids with a lot of women. Babe, babe.

1221
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: It's for the culture. It's the culture. I'm doing it

1222
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: for the culture. I don't want to do it, right, but.

1223
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: Like, please invite your friend Sally over. I don't want

1224
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: to do it.

1225
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to have six other wives that I

1226
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: have a bunch of kids with. I don't want to

1227
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: do it. I'm only doing it because it's necessary for

1228
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: the race, right, all this race stuff, right.

1229
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can watch. You can watch, y'all can

1230
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: even if y'all want to before.

1231
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Want to raise these kids, Yeah, I'm not going to

1232
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: have time to raise these kids. I gotta go to war.

1233
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: You want me to go to war and die, or

1234
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: I got to go.

1235
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: Die in the East after having six kids with six

1236
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: different women. Yeah exactly. Men used to go to war. Yeah. Yeah,

1237
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: at least at least you're getting rid of them, right. Yeah.

1238
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: So one of the people who was close to Himler

1239
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: and would write about him after the war was his

1240
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: missus Felix Kirsten, And there's a lot of claims Kirsten

1241
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: makes about Himmler and about what he did during the war.

1242
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: He writes a book about being Himler's messuse, and he

1243
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: gives a lot of quote about things Himler is supposedly

1244
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: said to him. Right now, Kirsten is not a good source,

1245
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: because true, he gets initially credited, he gets like awards

1246
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: for having saved the Dutch Jewish population from forced deportation,

1247
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: because he basically claims, like, well, Himmler was like really

1248
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: tired and sick during when that was happening, and I

1249
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: was so influential to him that I was able to

1250
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: like manipulate him into saving all these people, and like

1251
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: he Kirsten made claims that he basically did that a lot,

1252
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: that he saved a lot of people. And I don't

1253
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: know that it's possible he did save some people. I'm

1254
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: not enough of an expert on him to categorically bust

1255
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: all of his myths, but this claim that he saved

1256
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: the Dutch Jewish population is bullshit. He falsifies documents to

1257
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: make this argument right, and it's the kind of thing

1258
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: he's believed for a long time there's a lot of

1259
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: people like that first biography of Himmler that I looked

1260
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: into a bit takes what Kirsten says is gospel. Bill

1261
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Yen trusts Kirsten a lot more than he should. There's

1262
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of issues with taking Kirsten too literally, right.

1263
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: Like, okay, so let's just say, okay, so he saved

1264
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: the population, the Jewish population.

1265
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: Of what now? Of like of the Dutch Jewish probable? Okay,

1266
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: the Dutch, Okay, to what end? Well, because he was

1267
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: really a good guy. He never bought into this Nazi stuff.

1268
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: He was just trying. He was Himmler's messuse, but he

1269
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: was always trying to, like, you know, save people, right

1270
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: he I'm so by getting close to Himler, I'm able

1271
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: to exercise influence to protect people. This is him largely

1272
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: protecting himself after the war. I think he's lying about

1273
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this. It's not clear as he lying

1274
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: about all of it. And that's part of the problem

1275
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: is that he is Himmler's massuse. He spends a lot

1276
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: of one on one time with him. Everything he says

1277
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: that Himmler said to him isn't a lie. But because

1278
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: we know he falsified documents, and it's also very hard

1279
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: to trust him too much, right, Yeah, and he is

1280
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: our first source on Himmler's growing distaste for marriage, which

1281
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: Kirsten says. Kirsten claims that Hitler goes on a rant

1282
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: about marriage to him and describes marriage as the Catholic

1283
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: Church's satanic achievement, and he argues, quote with bigamy, each

1284
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: wife would act as a stimulus to the others that

1285
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: they both would try to be their husband's dream woman.

1286
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: No more tidy hair, no more slavin. The mod which

1287
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: will intensify these reflections will be the ideals of beauty

1288
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: projected by art and the cinema. Yes, he mixed.

1289
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: He mixed polygamy with capitalism. He's like, listen, it's it's competition.

1290
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 2: Competition gives us the best product.

1291
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, guy, and it'll makes it makes the women

1292
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: work hard, it makes better.

1293
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know if you're competing, Hey, baby, you gotta perform.

1294
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: Baby, you can't. You can't have no headache.

1295
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because Listen is wife Nomberfoe

1296
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: ain't got no headache.

1297
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, this is awful. And again I don't trust

1298
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: that as an exact Kirsten gives out a pulls out

1299
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of long direct quotes from Himmler saying and

1300
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: then he went on this rant he texted it. It's like,

1301
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you're not taking notes when you're

1302
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: massaging him. Now that said, based on other things Himmler

1303
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: is doing this time, I don't doubt Kirsten that Himmler

1304
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: went on rants about marriage to him. And I think

1305
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: that broadly because these are points Himler will make in

1306
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: other ways. So this is not an area in which

1307
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: I totally doubt Kirsten. But you should not review that

1308
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: as like a direct quote. And Kirsten is not an

1309
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: unproblematic source. Anytime you read an article being like based

1310
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: on what Himmler told his massage artist, take that with

1311
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: a grain of salt until you can find outside verification,

1312
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: because Kirsten is problematic, right.

1313
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what though, if I'm the massage

1314
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: artist as he's called now, uh yeah, I personally would

1315
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: take the rants about marriage over some sort of woton

1316
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: mythology that you posted to tell me about that you

1317
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: that the that the ancest has just told you, Like yeah,

1318
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, Like will you will you shut

1319
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 2: up about the ruins.

1320
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what, so what are your thoughts on marriage? Like,

1321
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: just to get you to shut up about the rum, Yeah,

1322
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: I just really need you to stop talking about these rooms.

1323
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: Yes please? And yeah, so obviously September first, nineteen thirty

1324
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: nine is the day that Germany invades Poland. Right if

1325
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: you want, this episode will come out after the first

1326
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: of September. Unfortunately, there's a great JG. Thurwell who performs

1327
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: under the name Fetus. He's a musical artist fo e

1328
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: f O E t us. It's the version of the

1329
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: word feed us with an e in it. Great musician.

1330
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: He does like the soundtrack to the TV show Venture

1331
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: Brothers or did back in the day. He's got a

1332
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: song called I'll Meet You in Poland Baby, that's about

1333
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: the German Soviet invasion. That yeah, great song about the

1334
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,440
Speaker 1: invasion of Poland. If you're looking for a musical accompaniment

1335
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: to this part of the episode. But September first, Germany

1336
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: invades and if you remember, the direct justification for the

1337
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: invasion is that Polish soldiers wind up fight. There's a gunfight,

1338
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, on the border that they blame on like,

1339
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: oh look the Poles. Yeah, this is some of the

1340
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: these dead guys were wearing Polish uniforms. Like, we've clearly

1341
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: we've been attacked, and now this is an active defense,

1342
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: and this is a false flag operation, and it's put

1343
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: together by the SS like Himler's SS does the false flag,

1344
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: that's the justification. That doesn't mean that Himmler's why they

1345
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: go to war like Hitler had made the decision. This

1346
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: was just kind of and it was lazy. This never

1347
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: really no one believes this right. But within a few

1348
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: weeks of the invasion, it becomes clear to Himmler casualties

1349
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: are mounting, and so he doesn't quite He never quite

1350
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: has the courage to go openly and be like, we

1351
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: need to get rid of monogamy for our soldiers. This

1352
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: is not the kind of thing that he's willing to

1353
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: be as open about as it wants to be.

1354
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: He's growing, he's learning that you can't just say what's

1355
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: on your mind, Okay.

1356
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: You gotta be And so here's how he does it.

1357
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: This is his way of kind of threading that needle

1358
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: and not being like and this is because I'm trying

1359
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 1: to destroy the Christian idea of marriage and family. Instead,

1360
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: he justifies it as an emergency order for like maintaining

1361
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: like the health of the So he issues this SS

1362
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: as an he issues in October twenty eight, nineteen thirty nine,

1363
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 1: an SS decree for the entire SS and German police forces.

1364
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: Quote beyond the limits of bourgeoisie laws and conventions, which

1365
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: are perhaps necessary in other instant circumstances, it can be

1366
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: a noble task for German women and girls of good

1367
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: blood to become even outside marriage, not lightheartedly, but out

1368
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: of a deep moral seriousness. Mothers of the children of

1369
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: soldiers going to war, of whom fate alone knows whether

1370
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: they will return or die for Germany. During the last War,

1371
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: many a soldier decided from a sense of responsibility to

1372
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: have no more children during the war so that his

1373
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: wife would not be left in need and distress after

1374
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: his death. Twoss men need not have these anxieties. They

1375
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: are removed by the following regulation, right, And so that's

1376
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: what he's number one trying to make the augure with that, Like, look,

1377
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: German women, it's not shameful to have a kid out

1378
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: of wedlock if it's with a soldier. So first off,

1379
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 1: we need to change the way people are talking about,

1380
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: you know, on these unwed mothers, right, yeah, four now

1381
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: the right kind. Now, guys, for now, I'm just saying

1382
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: four now, okay, four now, and four now, we're introducing

1383
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: policies to ensure that, you know, we'll promise to take

1384
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: care of you, you and your kids if you just

1385
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: wind up shacking up with a soldier, because all that

1386
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: matters is continuing the bloodline, right, And I can see.

1387
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: You just him just cloaking this in progressive talk to

1388
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: be like, there shouldn't be a stigma around this.

1389
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there shouldn't be a stigma around this, because

1390
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: it's good for the race. It's good for everybody.

1391
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: Listen, if you want it, like you don't have to

1392
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna die, like and your husband is right, like

1393
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: he should not. You know, you shouldn't be burdened with this.

1394
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, just you know, it's fine, Like what, yeah,

1395
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 2: what a cloak of progression you can put on this?

1396
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's exactly it. And like that, that's this

1397
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: is the cloak Key picks. And it's not coincidental. He

1398
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: writes this. This is like uh, October twenty eighth of

1399
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, two years before publishing this. Heinrich Himmler

1400
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: hires a twenty five year old secretary named HeiG would

1401
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: pod us we go. Now, we don't know exactly when

1402
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: they started stuppin, but by nineteen forty at the very latest,

1403
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: they're bagging right. And I think they probably started their

1404
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: physical relationship earlier than that, maybe not long after she

1405
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: gets hired, but I don't know. I think my feelings

1406
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: are shared somewhat by the authors of The Private Heinrich Himler,

1407
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: which is that book based on all of his letters

1408
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: he and Margus letters to each other. Yeah, that's partly

1409
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,959
Speaker 1: written by one of his I think it's his granddaughter, Katrina.

1410
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: And in that book, the authors note that by nineteen

1411
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: forty at the latest, Heinrich and Margo's marriage was no

1412
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: longer working well in terms of like when Heinrich and

1413
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: Hedwig got together. The book cites a letter Hedwig wrote

1414
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: her sister at the end of forty one, in which

1415
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: she claimed Christmas nineteen thirty eight, we had a frank

1416
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: conversation during which we confess that we were hopelessly in love.

1417
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: But they're trying to figure out is they were an

1418
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: honorable way for us to get together, right, And you know,

1419
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: divorce isn't honorable, right, So we can't do that publicly.

1420
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: That's that's still not something even though in the SS

1421
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: maybe that would be more acceptable, Like you don't have

1422
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: to just be aware of them, right, how can we

1423
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: possibly make this work? Now? This could mean that they

1424
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: talk about being in love, but they still wait, you know,

1425
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: two years to consummate things physically. I suspect that by

1426
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: Christmas of thirty eight they're fucking and yeah, after that

1427
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: they decide they're in love, and then they try to

1428
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: figure out, how can we how can we find an

1429
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: honorable way to be together?

1430
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: Right?

1431
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's reverse engineer the justification here. Yeah, totally. If

1432
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: that's the case, then there's we can see maybe even

1433
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: outside of his volcish mystic beliefs, maybe even race isn't

1434
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: the primary reason Himler does this at all. Maybe that's

1435
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: just a useful excuse because by late nineteen thirty nine,

1436
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: he's either fucking or very much wants to be fucking

1437
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: this girl, and this gives him an honorable way out.

1438
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: Right now, I've changed the policy for everybody now having

1439
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: mistresses is you're basically ordered as a man in the SS,

1440
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have mistresses, right because you're probably not

1441
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: breeding enough otherwise. Right, It's for the culture. It's for

1442
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 1: the culture.

1443
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: Right.

1444
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: So he and Hedwig have a child together, and from

1445
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: the end of the thirties on, Heinrich is primarily a

1446
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 1: husband and father to his original family in name only.

1447
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: Marga wrote in November of nineteen forty that since Heinrich

1448
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: had moved her in the kids out of the farm

1449
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 1: and to Berlin, which they do in the late thirties, quote,

1450
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: I have been almost entirely alone. Right, He almost abandons them.

1451
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: He's sending letters, he visits occasionally, but he is now

1452
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: interested in Hedwig and the new family. He's starting with her, right,

1453
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 1: younger model. Yeah. And obviously, as he's starting this affair,

1454
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: as he starts pushing, as he's pushing increasingly his weird

1455
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: religious beliefs through his personal magazine, the third Reich is

1456
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: preparing for war, is starting war. They invade Poland, which

1457
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: brings in the UK, and it brings in France, and

1458
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: suddenly we're looking at a world war. Right, this is

1459
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: a problem because like for one thing, Himler had considered

1460
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: this to be this war is like the next generation, right, Yeah,

1461
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: Like we're not gonna have to fight this war obviously

1462
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: like that that can't be the case. So they're shocked,

1463
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: and then they're shocked at how well it goes right that, like, oh,

1464
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: we took Poland pretty easily. Yeah, and then like we

1465
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: beat France way more easily than anyone had been like

1466
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: the people had been on worried within the Nazi Party,

1467
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: within the Wehrmacht. Can we act like is this just

1468
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: another disaster? Yeah? And then it's kind of not right. Yeah.

1469
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: So there's both this sense of like exuberant. Some people,

1470
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: Heinrich is one of them, start to feel like we're

1471
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm fucking and vulnerable, right and nothing can stop us? Yeah. Yeah.

1472
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: And one of the things that comes with that is

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Speaker 1: they starts as they're massively expanding. They're taken in all

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Speaker 1: of these Jews, and this has started before the war,

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Speaker 1: as they're annexing Czechoslovakia and Austria, right, and Himmler and

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: the s d under Hydrich had gotten the job of

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Speaker 1: deporting Jews from these annex territories. Right On November eighth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, just before Cristallknocht, Himler gave a speech

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Speaker 1: in which he acknowledged the Jews cannot remain in Germany.

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Speaker 1: It's only a matter of years. We shall increasingly drive

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Speaker 1: them out with unparalleled and ruthless brutality. So that is

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Speaker 1: it's a statement about what's going to happen. It's a

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Speaker 1: statement about what's already happening. But it's also not evidence

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Speaker 1: that at this point Himmler knows what the Holocaust is

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Speaker 1: going to be. He's talking about driving them out, not killing,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they're doing. They're basically, yeah, they're forcing

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Speaker 1: people to self deport in as much as possible, right Like,

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Speaker 1: that's what Eichmann is doing at this point. They're organizing deportations.

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Speaker 1: In his biography of Himler, Longrich notes Himler made no

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Speaker 1: reference to the actual situation, and the formulation that they

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Speaker 1: would drive the Jews out in course in the course

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Speaker 1: of years does not suggest that at that point it

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01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: was working on the assumption that there was about to

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Speaker 1: be a dramatic new development in the persecution of the Jews. Now,

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: in the early stages of World War Two, a couple

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 1: of important things happen. Number one is that they start

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01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: to gear up. After their success in France, they start

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01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: preparing for a war in the East, in which they

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: know they're going to be taking a lot more Jews,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to need new solutions for dealing with them,

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: a number far in excess of anything they had to

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Speaker 1: deal with before. So these conversations by forty one that

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: are going to culminate in forty two in the actual

1504
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: plan for the Holocaust start happening. And another major thing

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01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: that happens in forty one, kind of right as the

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:35,480
Speaker 1: war is kicking off, is that Rudolph Hess, Hitler's deputy

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01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 1: had been He's one of these guys who's deeply worried

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: about the war. Number One again, he'd hope that we

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01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be going to war against the whole world quite yet, right,

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: that we had more time. And yeah, also he's really

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't want Germany to be at war with Great Britain. Right,

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of an Anglo file. He believes that the

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: two countries are natural allies, and he has he's made

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01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: connections within the British royal family. And so Hess, who

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: is the other bigger cult guy in the Nazi hierarchy,

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: decides I'm going to fly to Scotland on my own

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: in my private plane and negotiate peace alone, right, and

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01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: he winds up parachuting out of a plane near Glasgow

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01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: and just getting arrested immediately immediately.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and this is this has an influence. This

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01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: is part of why Hitler cracks down within the rest

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01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: of the party on like the weird occult ship. This

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01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: is when he really sours on a lot of that

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 1: because Hess had been really into that stuff. And Hess

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01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: fucks up the absolute most he could have fucked up.

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Speaker 2: Right, this is this is my favorite little morsel of

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01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 2: the Nazi narrative, is has parachuting into Scotland and then

1529
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: being like you, what the hell did were you?

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: Waitn't you take this? We're not letting you talk to

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01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: him for a former gang at this point. Yeah, like

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: you absolutely talking about Yeah that is not go. I'll

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: work for us. Yeah, that's my favorite part. Yeah, it's

1534
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 1: super funny. Yes, you know what else is funny? Prop

1535
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: How long this shit is? How long this shit is?

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01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: But it's over for today. Okay. Oh so we're not done. No,

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01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: we're not done. We're not done. I mean we'll see,

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: we'll see, I'll figure it out. I mean we could

1539
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: be we could call the episodes here and be like

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01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: I've led you up to World War two. Right, the

1541
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: SS is built, it's founded. You know, that may be

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01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: the right thing to do, and we'll come back later

1543
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: to talk about Himmler during World War two and the

1544
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: SS during World War two. That's probably the right call.

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: We've got six episodes, right, yeah, okay, yeah, I think

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: that's probably what we'll do, and I'll get to the

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: rest of Himmler later. Yeah, that's cool man.

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01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come back during Christmas still, we'll just ruin

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01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: your Christmas.

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we'll give you more Himmler soon. But that's

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: all the Himmler you're getting for today. You know, he's

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: at his peace right, the war is starting. He's the

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01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: last crazy occult guy really left in the high ranks

1554
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: of power. He's holding his blood rituals allegedly at Weblsburg Castle.

1555
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: There's some crazy some people claim that they were like

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01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: sacrificing babies. There's no evidence of that, but they were

1557
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: definitely holding like candlelit rituals yea, and like they had

1558
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: like yeah room where all of the dead of the

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01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: SS are inscribed in the shrine and yeat like they

1560
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: are doing like ceremonies and spells and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

1561
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: actual weird shit, like they're trying to do magic in

1562
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: their magic castle. Yeah, spoiler, it does not win the

1563
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,719
Speaker 1: war for them, but you know, maybe it'll work for you. Sorry,

1564
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: wotang it didn't work. Yeah, it turns out Wotan was

1565
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: not on their side. Yeah, wotan is something you can

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: fuck with. Mm hm Yeah a lot of times it

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: did successfully. Yeah, yes, so yeah, prop getting into plug yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Man, going back to the to the poetry record that

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01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 2: is out now. You know, if you're gonna do streaming,

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01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: I get it.

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: You do what you gotta do. It's fine.

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 2: I can't tell you to not go to the store,

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: but if you're gonna pick a streamer, I guess i'd

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01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: rather you pick Apple Music in relation to the other

1576
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, or just don't. Don't don't do the Spotify thing,

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean, if you want to,

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Speaker 2: I will take the money, but like yeah, as in money,

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01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 2: I mean the point two tenths of a cent.

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01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: But I'll take it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The point is just there's a new poetry album it's

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01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: called The Beautiful End Link that I'm super proud of

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Speaker 2: that we'll probably talk about a little bit on the

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Speaker 2: tap ends on the hood politics with PROP, which is

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Speaker 2: also going well, which we are just cooking with peanut

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Speaker 2: oil over there and having a good time as good

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Speaker 2: as time as we can.

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Speaker 1: Yes, awesome. Well everyone have a good time with PROP.

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