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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Conspiracy Realist. Our classic this

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Speaker 1: week is for our friends down South, way down South,

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Speaker 1: not quite Antarctica, a little bit further north, Australia.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is Pine Gap, guys. I think, if I'm

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Speaker 2: not mistaken, this was turned into an entire spy series

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Speaker 2: on television called Pine Gap. I think it was after

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Speaker 2: it was made to a TV show after we covered it.

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Speaker 2: But it's such a secretive thing. What does it remind

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Speaker 2: you of? What's the Is there an American equivalent?

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Speaker 1: Uh hororpera of fifty one? It's like in that sort

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Speaker 1: of echelon. Yeah, conspiratorial locations, but Pine Gap is unique

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Speaker 1: and Pine Gap at the time in twenty eighteen, it

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Speaker 1: employed over eight hundred different people and officially no one

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Speaker 1: knew what it did.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's infiltrate the gap.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers, government conspiracies. History is riddled

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Speaker 4: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 4: this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control dec At. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: you are here that makes this stuff. They don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. This episode in particular, has been a

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Speaker 1: long time in coming, because, as you might already know,

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Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time on this show researching

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Speaker 1: military bases or mysterious compounds across the planet. And while

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Speaker 1: we often travel outside of the bounds of these United States,

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Speaker 1: we tend to focus most often on facilities here because hey,

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Speaker 1: it's our home turf, and honestly, that means that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear about places in the US or associate with

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Speaker 1: US way more often than say, a secret base in Pakistan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in public documents that we get access to generally

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Speaker 2: are about stuff that happens on our turf.

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Speaker 1: We need way more of foreign intelligence agency connections. So

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Speaker 1: on the off chance that you're listening and you feel

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Speaker 1: like you catch a wild hair, please go ahead email us,

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Speaker 1: look us up, give us.

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Speaker 3: Those military connections.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like some of our fellow listeners did after we

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Speaker 2: did an episode on Australia recently and someone wrote to

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Speaker 2: us about this very topic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, someone else sent us a koala bear.

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Speaker 1: No, you should only say on purpose.

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Speaker 3: Like got they got mad because we call them?

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Speaker 1: Did we explain that on air.

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Speaker 1: that koala are marsupials. The most common marsupials for us

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing too, on that one, I think I

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I call Matt Mattie bear, sometimes I call Ben

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's just a thing I do. It's

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Speaker 1: What's true is that it is koala. Bear is just

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Speaker 1: what is and is not a marsupial and have been

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Speaker 1: for years now. Speaking of for years now, your fellow

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Speaker 1: Welcome friends and neighbors to Pine Gap.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and our story begins in this small little town

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sydney, this is not. Alice Springs is located in

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Speaker 3: And I just want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: Crap in Australia from the Modern Mountdown Network. So shout

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Speaker 3: out to those guys because they did a good job

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Speaker 3: talking about this episode and have with kind of like

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Speaker 3: an insider's perspective, which will also come into play later.

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Speaker 3: We had crap in AUSTRALAI yet did good Ben. Thanks

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Speaker 3: and check out their Patreon because I think they want

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Speaker 1: There you go, So back to Rainfall. This base is

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Speaker 1: And those golf balls. We'll get into this a bit later.

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Speaker 1: They are covers for radar dishes, which you know, is

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Speaker 1: Officially, this site is known by the tremendously sexy name

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Speaker 1: the Joint Defense Facility Pine Gap. As of now, it

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Speaker 1: employs well over eight hundred Australian and American employees. They

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Speaker 1: According to leaked US intelligence documents, when asked what happens

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Speaker 2: Quote support national security of both the US and Australia.

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Speaker 2: The facility contributes to verifying arms control and disarmament agreements

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Speaker 1: how did this thing get here? The story starts on

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Speaker 1: a professor named des Ball, which I think is a

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Speaker 1: if you are a citizen of that country, but they

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Speaker 1: can make bilateral and multilateral agreements such that you know,

441
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: like the Okay, let's say, the US or the NSA

442
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: cannot legally monitor your text messages or figure out what

443
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of weird erotic fan figure into, but the United

444
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: Kingdom can, and then they can share it with the US,

445
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: so the US is getting the same stuff. There's just

446
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of legal chucking and driving there. That's

447
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: the problem critics have with this place. The problem that

448
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: doctor Tanter has with the leaked documents that were obtained

449
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: by an outfit like the Intercept is that there's not

450
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: only a huge transformation in pine gaps function in recent history,

451
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: but these documents is paperwork He got provide authoritative confirmation

452
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: that pine Gap is involved in the geolocation of cell

453
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Speaker 1: phones used by people from the Pacific to the edge

454
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Speaker 1: of Africa. And this shows us that pine Gap knows

455
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Speaker 1: the geolocations. That means it derives the phone numbers, and

456
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: it often derives the content of any communications, providing the

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Speaker 1: ability for the American military to identify in place, in

458
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: real time the location of targets of interest. So let's

459
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Speaker 1: say somebody for some reason wants to send a drone

460
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Speaker 1: out to assassinate.

461
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Speaker 2: Me.

462
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Sure, how to assassinate Matt. My phone's right here and

463
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: his phone's right there. This this means that they can

464
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Speaker 1: find map, not you and particular map, but they can

465
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: find your phone. And that makes coordinating drones a controversial

466
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: topic because they're pulling stuff from a SIM card, right,

467
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: and maybe just for the purposes of targeting. They're not

468
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: pulling the content of the conversation, text, calls, cute emoji

469
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: that you send to and from that device. According to

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Speaker 1: one drone operator, we're not going after people. We're going

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Speaker 1: after the phones, and we're hoping that the person on

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: the other end of that missile is the actual bad guy.

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00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: So if you are in a war torn area, be

474
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Speaker 1: careful what phones you pick up.

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00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't.

476
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Speaker 1: And that's how that's how non combatants and innocent civilians

477
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: have been murdered.

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Speaker 3: Well, and also those drones there are kind of blood instruments.

479
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: We don't really think we think of them, I think

480
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: falsely as being some sort of like targeted super assassination machine.

481
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 3: But it's like a radius, right, isn't.

482
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: This a health fire missile or you know other classes

483
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: of missiles that explode with a radius.

484
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're called tactical, but probably the best way

485
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: to say it is comparatively tactic, you go, right.

486
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Speaker 3: As opposed to like wiping out an entire city, right,

487
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: maybe just wipe out a city block.

488
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Speaker 1: Right, right, or a wedding, yeah yeah, instead of a

489
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Speaker 1: building an entire skyscraper.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
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Speaker 2: If you look at some of this stuff on live

492
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: leak that you can find with the targeted strikes with drones,

493
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a depending on again, it just depends

494
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Speaker 2: on the munitions. But one missile wouldn't take out a

495
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: block at all. It would It would take out a

496
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: room for sure, or like part of a building, part

497
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Speaker 2: of a building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But that's that's the thing that becomes so

499
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Speaker 1: divisive so quickly. So supporters of extra judicial killings involving

500
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: UAVs will say that it is really the best, most

501
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: safe way to preserve the lives of military members and

502
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: to minimize the possibility of civilian casualties. Opponents will say no,

503
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: because it's like the old autonomous vehicle argument, we're still

504
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: we're still screwing up.

505
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and it doesn't have this Devil's Advocate doesn't

506
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: have the potential to make you more trigger happy. If

507
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: there's no human cost on our end, it makes you

508
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: maybe more likely to roll the dice and give it

509
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: a go. You're not having to send out your best

510
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: men and women for the job.

511
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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's that's a good argument as well,

512
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: because one of the balances for Western societies that you

513
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: often hear touted is that the public is supposed to

514
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: be able to react to this. It's often said that

515
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: wars are more politically expensive for representative democracies and straight

516
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: democracies because the people have a voice in government in

517
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: this situation. Unfortunately, Australians largely do not. Because this may

518
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: be now a joint United States and Australian base, but

519
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the drone work is coming from the

520
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: US side, and we should establish highlight underline, italicized bold

521
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: the following this issue with drone targeting and widespread vacuum

522
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: cleaner approach surveillance. These are the criticisms of pine Gap

523
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: that you will hear most often in legitimate journalism, right,

524
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: these are the ones you will hear about in security journals,

525
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: in viable publications and stuff. And there's good reason, yeah,

526
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: because it's real. And after we take a quick break,

527
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: we'll examine some of the stranger stories about Pine Gap. Okay,

528
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: so for some reason here in our notes we have

529
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Speaker 1: this section titled Crazies Come out to Play. I don't

530
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: mean to be in any way denigrading with that, it's

531
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: just these are some pretty insane things. They're outlandish claims,

532
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: now outlandish claims. They're so far outlandish that they're literally extraterrestrial. Oh,

533
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: out of land. But it's no surprise that Pine Gap

534
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: has become the subject of numerous conspiracy theories and excreasingly.

535
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I like the word you use, Matt, outlandish claims. We've

536
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: got a few of the really out there ones. I

537
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know where do you guys want to go first?

538
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to do the UFO stuff first?

539
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: You know?

540
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: I know where you want to start? You know where

541
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: we want to start?

542
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: Boy? Do I ever? It's the secret Portal? Yes, I

543
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: want to talk about portals. Have you guys ever seen

544
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: a portal that's a Donny Darko reference? Apparently, this.

545
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Maybe this is one of the strangest conspiratorial claims about

546
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Pine Gap. The argument is that the CIA has has

547
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: been conducting time travel experiments and super soldier programs in

548
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: Pine Gap sort of because they're using portals to send

549
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: people to Mars, wherein a lot of these things are

550
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: conducted and we have to yeah, we have to treat

551
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: this with a wheelbarrow assault. There's a fringe researcher named

552
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: Richard Sowder who claimed to have spoken with a whistleblower

553
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: named rich Hansen, and according to Sowder, Hanson is not

554
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: only a part or was not only once a part

555
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: of these ultra secret programs, but he left for Mars

556
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: military service from a time portal in Australia.

557
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: There you go.

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is interesting because it is true that

559
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: various people who did work for work at Pine Gap

560
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: at one point or another did say that the bosses

561
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: were CIA, So we know that part is true.

562
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, portals, time portals.

563
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: Let me have the plot of the movie Time Coop

564
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: starring Jean Claude van Dam.

565
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Except this time on Mars, and this time it's personal

566
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: on Mars. But I mean, okay, we don't want to

567
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to poke fun at it too much?

568
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: What if rich Hansen is a real person and Soder

569
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: was also genuine when he was telling the story. I

570
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: mean there is, and there is an alternate universe where

571
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Speaker 2: this occurs some other dimension.

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00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: If you believe in the multi dimensional stuff and think

573
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: for this setup, Matt, Because it is true that Soder,

574
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: by the way, also claims in his book Underground, Bases

575
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: and Tunnels that the base, pine Gap or rainfall operates

576
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: in alternate dimensions. So exist a multiple planes of reality

577
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: at once.

578
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: But see if if multiverse theories are correct, then isn't

579
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: everything existing in multiplicity at all?

580
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: Not the whole point? No, I think what he means

581
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: there is that it operates section you can reach through

582
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: and you can, you know, pick up your screwdriver from

583
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: this other dimension, bring it back over to this dimension,

584
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: or step through to what end? I guess are you

585
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: affecting the timeline in ways that military militaristically tactical ways.

586
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Well, so, yeah, good question, Matt. I think you're you're

587
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: going even larger. You going to the meta level, which

588
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: is that if all if if universes are infinite, and

589
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: all possible things exist in some some sort of reality timeline,

590
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: branch sphere, what have you. Then there would be one

591
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: or many where this thing is actually true, and we

592
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: just happen to be living in one where that's not

593
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Speaker 1: the case.

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Speaker 2: Oh did I say.

595
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: In your mouth at that last? But well, here's the

596
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: problem with that, which is a very familiar problem to

597
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: anybody who reads about this sort of stuff. If it

598
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: is an ultra secret program and we live in a

599
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: reality where a very public Washington Post journalist just very

600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: publicly got dismembered for not even saying horrible things about

601
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: the Saudi crown prince and the US government, then how

602
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: are these people still alive?

603
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

604
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: How in the holy kangaroo are these people still alive?

605
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Blowing up the truth, exposing the hidden secrets of reality

606
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: tripping time traveling. CIA financed Nietzsche ubermansh Out on Mars,

607
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean?

608
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So again, that's underground bases in tunnels, a book

609
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: that you can find somewhere at some time in some

610
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: dimension in this dimension.

611
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: Maybe all right, act now before the Mandela effect kicks in, right,

612
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: So okay, so you got through that. That's probably one

613
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: of the strangest and craziest, but one that has I

614
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: think many more people taking it seriously. Is the association

615
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: of pine Gap with the activity of unidentified flying objects,

616
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: and it dates way back to just a few years

617
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: after things really got rolling there in nineteen seventy This

618
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: is true.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy three, there was a cartographer who reported

620
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Speaker 3: seeing a vertical shaft of blue light, very very blindingly

621
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Speaker 3: bright vertical shaft of blue light in front of him

622
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: just after the stroke of midnight. And it was clearly

623
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: the source of this was the base. So he decided

624
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: to take a look, take a closer look, and he

625
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: moved his vehicle to the base a little bit closer,

626
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: and he saw a large, gleaming disk hovering about a

627
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: thousand feet from the ground.

628
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he kept watching it. I guess security must

629
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: have been less tight at that time, Yeah, because he's

630
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: there for a while. He watches it for about half

631
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: an hour, and during this time he sees another beam

632
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: of blue light emanating from the UFO toward the ground

633
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: where it's hitting several of those ray domes, those golf

634
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: ball things, right, and it's the light is hitting those directly.

635
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: And then the light cease and another light beam appears,

636
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and this time from the ray domes to the craft

637
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: and this goes back and forth, this exchange of light

638
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: bright burst again for about half an hour, and then

639
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: the disc begins to spin more and more quickly. Flash boom,

640
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: it shoots into the sky and disappears.

641
00:37:59,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: WHOA.

642
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: Now, I have a couple of questions about that one

643
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: that we cannot answer right now. Okay, because I imagine

644
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: it being more of a laser beam of light. If

645
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: there's some kind of I'm just imagining that. It's completely true,

646
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: there's some form of energy or communications transfer occurring in

647
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: some way. That's why you would have a beam of

648
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: light from one of those things. That's the only thing

649
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: I can imagine, because if not.

650
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Is it refueling.

651
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but here's the whole.

652
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: Thing, Like, Okay, how could you discern that the light

653
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: was coming from the ground up to the craft?

654
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Right?

655
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: It would be if it's just a splash of light essentially,

656
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, like like a spotlight or something, you would

657
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: be able to tell, Oh, it's more centered on the

658
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: on the ground, and then it's a little wider up

659
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: top near wherever the craft is a thousand feet up.

660
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: It would occur that kind of light shaping would occur.

661
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: If it was just a light, if it was a

662
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: laser beam, how could you tell which way it was

663
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: trapped because it's incidant.

664
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: Speed of light, So a good question.

665
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: That kind of thing just makes me go, okay, maybe weather.

666
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: Balloon, right, Maybe it was something that he saw they

667
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: just didn't understand. Quite possibly. Well, in nineteen seventy five,

668
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: then let's look at this one. There was a pilot

669
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: and several passengers on a private plane near Pine Gaps airspace,

670
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: which is obviously restricted airspace, and they all said, hey,

671
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: here's a cool idea. Let's try to sneak a peek

672
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: at all the weird stuff they have to be doing

673
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: down there Pine Gap.

674
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: All right, mate, let's do it.

675
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: And so out of nowhere, this big, wide object appears

676
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: to take off from the base below them at a

677
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: breakneck speed. And as soon as the witnesses were able

678
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: to focus on this thing that was taking off and

679
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: it vanished into the sky. The pilot made a report

680
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: of this sighting as soon as they landed, and the

681
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: plane was fine, obviously, thankfully, both the pilot and all

682
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: of the passengers were asked to wait for investigators who

683
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: were going to come and get some more details from them.

684
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: But when the investigators show up again, according to the story,

685
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: they told the witnesses that they were for They men

686
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: in black them they so, I forget everything you've seen

687
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: about this. Don't talk about anything. You saw nothing.

688
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: Do you think they flashed them?

689
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: That would be cool, That would be cool. But then

690
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: how would this story have gotten out?

691
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right on one person wasn't looking directly.

692
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I always wondered if that would work in men and planet.

693
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: But then we have more reports of UFOs and Pine Gap.

694
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

695
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty four there were five anonymous witnesses who

696
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: said they saw something else. It was another sighting there

697
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: at Pine Gap. They they wanted to be anonymous due

698
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: to their apparent positions within the Australia government. You know,

699
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: it's one of those things, those situations where you can't

700
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: prove that these people are part of the Australian government,

701
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: but they said they were, and that's why they want

702
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: to be anonymous. So there's let's say the leader of

703
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: this group had been receiving all kinds of reports about

704
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: UFO sightings just above Pine Gap or near Pine Gap

705
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: in the weeks leading up to this thing that would

706
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: become their encounter this night to this moment. One message

707
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: that was received by this leader of the group was

708
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: a little more mysterious than the rest, and it advised

709
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: that something big was going to happen at Pine Gap

710
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: in the upcoming days. So guess what they did. They're

711
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: five of them, and they split themselves into two groups

712
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: using two different vehicles, and they approached the base from

713
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: two different positions.

714
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm smart.

715
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: That's very smart. Good idea. All right, now, let's keep

716
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: going down there. Once they get there, they essentially start

717
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: staking out the grounds, which is again we're talking about

718
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: a massive campus campus is the right word for it,

719
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: massive compound, and that's only five people to cover that

720
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: with only two vehicles. But anyway, they're just gonna check

721
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: it out for as long as they can. They stay

722
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: there for days. The first three days there's absolutely no

723
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: activity that they notice, at least anything of note. But

724
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: on the fourth night everything changed when several large military

725
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: vehicles started ferrying all these large groups of workers in

726
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: coveralls to the large rate domes, the big golf ball

727
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: looking things. So they're like, huh, I wonder what those

728
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: guys are doing.

729
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: And then.

730
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Then things changed.

731
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, as this was all taking place, as this brew

732
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: haha haha, I imagine a pillar of light shot upward

733
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: from the ground to the sky. They don't specify whether

734
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: it's shot out from one of these raate domes or dishes.

735
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: A strange cloud was forming high above the base around

736
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: this pillar of light, and when it vanished, they saw

737
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: five strange craft making their way to the base, according

738
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: to the report, for diamond shaped UFOs and one of

739
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: a quote cigar shape, which the people at Moufon when

740
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: we visited move On a while back, talked about it

741
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: seems to be a relatively common shape, at least in

742
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: their experience. Once these craft were over the base, the

743
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: pillar of light appeared again, this time from the craft

744
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: above to the grounds below. So we see that repeat, right,

745
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: almost like communication. And this went on for several minutes. Yeah,

746
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: it seems like the visual analog of a dial up modem.

747
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Sound do you guys remember that, Paul, Can we get

748
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: a sound cue of a dial up modem? Please? Yeah?

749
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: Like that, but with lights, it's like an electronic dolphin.

750
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: And this exchange went on for a while, and the

751
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: strange cloud was still coalescing, and then like that they vanished.

752
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: And these are just a few of the UFO reports

753
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: originating in Pine Gap. They're not even the most famous.

754
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: Several of the most well known reports include reliable witnesses

755
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: like police officers, multiple groups of people from differing vantage

756
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: points seeing the same thing. And then this consistent report

757
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: of hidden doors. Did you guys see anything about it?

758
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

759
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Again, these secret areas become a very common thing when

760
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: you're talking about Pine Pine Gap, These secret doors become

761
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: a real thing. It's very common occurrence when people are

762
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: talking about seeing things at Pine Gap, either doors to

763
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: secret places or see like you're saying, secret doors that

764
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: just exist within a wall somewhere or within part of

765
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: a base that you would never imagine that there's a

766
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: door there.

767
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: And we know, I mean it makes sense to have

768
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: those sorts of entrances and exits built into secret places, right.

769
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: Especially when there's a large underground area.

770
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look no further than

771
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: Norad or that hotel that turned out to secretly be

772
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: a bunker for senators here in the States, which everyone

773
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: thought we were crazy when we mentioned it at first.

774
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but there's a counterpoint to these UFO reports,

775
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: and it's the one. Okay. So one of the big

776
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: theories about unidentified flying objects, which, of course, as we

777
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: said before, not necessarily extraterrestrial. One of the big arguments

778
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: is that these things are man made technology or human

779
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: made technology that the public just doesn't know about yet,

780
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: and that these things are a tremendous tactical advantage to

781
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: whichever country possesses them or whichever private company multinational possesses them.

782
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: That leads us to ask, well, how close are the

783
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: US and Australia really.

784
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: That's been my question for the start. Yeah, I'm sure

785
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: it feels like they're giving up a whole lot of

786
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: their own sovereignty, you know, to have this facility that

787
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: largely benefits us, right and not them, And if anything

788
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: put to their country in the line of fire.

789
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: Potentially, yeah, absolutely, If there really is to go back

790
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: to this question, if there really is some sort of

791
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: top secret mind blowing flight or anti gravity technology, something

792
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: that would change the world were to ever come out,

793
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: why would the US place it in a foreign country,

794
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: regardless of how friendly their relations may be at some

795
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: given time.

796
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: What if the Australian government were the ones who were

797
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: first contacted and the United States placed the facility there

798
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: and began, you know, hey, we've got the biggest military,

799
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: We're the ones who need to be handling this kind

800
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: of thing. And then it became a joint operation, but

801
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: the Australians were always the first.

802
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: I like that has like a ring of patriotism too

803
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: for Australians there. But this is okay. If we're speculating,

804
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: this is something that seemed that gets me really quickly

805
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: into the realm of science fiction. If we wanted to

806
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: go profoundly deep into the rabbit hole, we could speculate

807
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: that maybe there was some sort of geographical constraint that

808
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: meant the base due to its extra dimensional properties, or

809
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: something had to be built in that specific spot for

810
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: some specific reason. There is a porto of Lamars, but

811
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: it only occurs there because of some I don't know,

812
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: gobbledegook pseudo science electromagnetic quark superpositions, because of the dream time,

813
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: because of the dream which we originally recognized as the

814
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: dream time. Oh my god, we're writing the movie now,

815
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: Stargate Aussigate. I'm a oh, Alice Gate, Alice Gate.

816
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: I want to go down that rabbit hole further. But

817
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: I think we need to wrap this up, gentlemen.

818
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's end on the present day. As of

819
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, which is the closest we could get to

820
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: the present day for public reporting, Pine Gap is still expanding.

821
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: It's got a total of about thirty eight radio dishes,

822
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: many covered in those golf balls we mentioned earlier.

823
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: Those things help them.

824
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: It's weather work better.

825
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: It's just weatherproofing.

826
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the official explanation. Yeah, interesting, just to

827
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: keep the rust off. The North Korean situation is one

828
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: of the most crucial because of the base's proximity to

829
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: the Korean peninsula and therefore the proximity of Australia. The

830
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: city of Darwin and Northern Territory is about thirty six

831
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: hundred miles from Pyeongyang with a and that puts a

832
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: within range of an ICBM or intercontinental ballistic missile.

833
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: OOH, which begs the question, are their ICBMs out there

834
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: in Pine Gap somewhere? Are there silos?

835
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 3: Hmmm?

836
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: I wonder you think they will put all their eggs

837
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: one basket like that.

838
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: And why would you do that when you've just got

839
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: supercarriers and carriers everywhere.

840
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: Plenty of other military bases right, yeah, and subs and

841
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: whatever else. And the problem here is if we were

842
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: at a war game a bit, if the US did

843
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: become involved in a hot war with the dprkade Democratic

844
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: People's Republic of Korea, then Australia could quickly would almost

845
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: certainly be quickly dragged into this conflict. And despite being

846
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: isolated pretty far inland, Pine Gap would be instrumental in

847
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: the informational aspects of the US side of the war.

848
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: But also it would have a huge target on its

849
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: back because if you blow that thing up, you're poking

850
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: an eye, you know what I mean?

851
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, That's my question, Like, how does it behoove

852
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: the Australian government, who aren't even allowed into the US

853
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: cryptography room, you know, it seems like they're kept at

854
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: arm's length about a lot of the stuff. What do

855
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: we have on them or what do they have on us?

856
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: Or what where?

857
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 3: That's that's my fascination with this whole story.

858
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: What makes it symbiosis rather than parasites exactly?

859
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, given what I know about

860
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: our country and our tendency that maybe strong arm less

861
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: powerful countries, I would tend to think it might be

862
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: more the parasitic type of relationship.

863
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal, where I would I think it

864
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: would be difficult for you to name twenty places in

865
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: the planet other countries that don't have a US military

866
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: base in the exactly. Yeah, well, I mean, but I

867
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: mean twenty, Like, yes, we can name a few that

868
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: we know for sure, but but in most places there

869
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 2: is a US military presence, and it's just how it is.

870
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: In this case, maybe it's even a little less intrusive

871
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: because it's intelligence collection.

872
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 3: And it's way out of the way, and it's also

873
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: there's a visible, you know, police state occupation of any kind.

874
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's a research facility. It's a

875
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: you know, essentially on paper.

876
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: And also it's well it's not a reason it is

877
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: on paper maybe, but I don't know if it can

878
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: even be called that anymore because the cover story got

879
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: blown out of the water so hard. I am going

880
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: to take take you up on that, mat. I'm going

881
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: to come back. I'm going to come back more back

882
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: in the studio and see if I can find twenty

883
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: twenty countries that don't have US basis. I don't know

884
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: if I can.

885
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: I want to say there are several in Africa that don't.

886
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have. But they have got outposts of

887
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: outsourced military forces, which I think we should count. So this,

888
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: this is fascinating because it does. It's a huge question.

889
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: To your point, Nol. Probably one of the best arguments

890
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: for it is going to be the idea of mutual

891
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: security preventing perhaps the rise of a new hedgemon in

892
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: the region, namely China. So maybe Australia is of the

893
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: mind that you already have a good relationship with the US.

894
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Let's keep that going. I don't know, you know, it

895
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: goes to speculation. No, it is true that it is

896
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: true that there are supporters of Pine Gap in Australia

897
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: and their primary, the primary thing they say is don't

898
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: believe all the conspiratorial stuff, all the all the alarmist hoopla.

899
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is that this is good

900
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: for us and it helps keep our country safer. So

901
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: we do wanna depict that part, just to be fair. Also,

902
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: on a pop culture note, if you want to see

903
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: stories that take place in Pine Gap fictional stories, check

904
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: out the new series I think it's on Netflix. It's

905
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: about Pine Gap and it's called as we like to say,

906
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: on the show in a burst of creativity Pine Gap.

907
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm watching the trailer right now. It looks it

908
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: looks like a lot of fun, does it is?

909
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: I wonder what the tone is. Do you think it's

910
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: like twenty four or Quantico or something.

911
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: It feels very much like one of those police procedur

912
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 2: rules kind of thing with a little more style.

913
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: Maybe, Oh, thank god, does.

914
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: Every Oh it's got an American flag in an Australian flag,

915
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: it says Pine Gap. It's got a whole team.

916
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: I like it. Do do they look like they're legitimate

917
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: intelligence workers or do they all look like waiters from

918
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: Los Angeles?

919
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: They look like from us.

920
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: Of course they're waiters from Los That's amazing. So so

921
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: so this this is literally like a like a Law

922
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: and Order n CIS type situation, but headquartered in Pine Gap.

923
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: And it's like an Adventure of the Week kind of story.

924
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, is it more like X Files?

925
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about. I just watched the trailer

926
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: without sound and it it looked like that.

927
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: Well it exists.

928
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: Watch the Can you watch the show without sound without

929
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: captions and maybe come back and tell us what your

930
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: take is.

931
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: Yes, please.

932
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: All right, So that's that's where we are now. These

933
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: do not answer all of the questions about pine Gap,

934
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: but we do want to We do want to thank

935
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: all of our listeners out in Australia, in that part

936
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: of the world who said, hey, our fellow listeners would

937
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: like to hear more about this, because I don't think

938
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: it gets a lot of ink here in the United States.

939
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: And what better way to end the episode than leaving

940
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: the last word to Professor Tanter.

941
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: It goes as follows. Quote. Pine Gap literally hardwires us

942
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: into the activities of the American military, and in some

943
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: cases that means we will cop the consequences. Like it

944
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: or not. Pine Gap will be contributing hugely in real

945
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: time to those operations as well as in preparation for them.

946
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: So whether or not the Australian government thinks that an

947
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: attack on North Korea is either justified or a wise

948
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 3: and sensible move, we will be part of that will

949
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: be culpable in the terms of the consequences. Geez, there

950
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: you have it.

951
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: You have it.

952
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 3: I know the score.

953
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: Something to think on. So thank you everyone for giving

954
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: us a listen. We would like to hear your opinion.

955
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not just of Pine Gap, but your opinion of

956
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: US military basis on foreign soil anyway.

957
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, do you live in a different country where

958
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: there's a US military base, what are your experiences with that?

959
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: And is it a joint operation in the way that

960
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: this one is or is it solely US run sort

961
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: of like Guintanamo. Let us know. You can find us

962
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. On Facebook especially, we are

963
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. That's our community page. If

964
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you haven't checked it out yet, hop on, we have

965
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: some We have some pretty good memes.

966
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good memes, and even better people are contributing

967
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: all the time.

968
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: All right.

969
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, if you if you've ever

970
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: had any kind of unidentified flying object or submerged submerged

971
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: object or any other experience like that, please let us know.

972
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: We'd love love to hear your story and hopefully incorporate

973
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: it into an episode at some point. So yeah, and

974
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: that's the end of this classic episode. If you have

975
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can get

976
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,000
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977
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,799
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978
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,640
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979
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,520
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980
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,720
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981
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,120
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982
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,320
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