1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's Sunday, January fourth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to Real 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward. Every January, 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: millions of Americans make New Year's resolutions. We promise ourselves 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: that this year will be different. We'll lose weight, read more, 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: pray more, be better parents, better spouses, even better Christians. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: And for about two weeks we mean it. But by 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: the end of January, most of those resolutions have already failed. 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: The gym membership goes unused. The Bible reading plan falls behind, 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: the promises we made to ourselves, fade into some patterns 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: we swore we would leave behind. But here's the problem 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: with New Year's resolutions. They're built on our strength, not God's. 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: They depend on our will power, not his grace. They 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: assume we can fix ourselves if we just try hard enough, 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: and the truth is we can't. What we need isn't 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: a better plan, it's a better foundation. We need mercies 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: that don't run out when our willpower does. We need 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: faithfulness that doesn't depend on how well we're doing. We 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: need the unchanging God to anchor us in a new 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: year of uncertainty. Yes, make resolutions, but also give yourself 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: the grace to try to fail and to start again. 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Trust in the Lord as you number each day. Our 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: scripture reading comes from Lamentations, Chapter three, Verses twenty two 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: and twenty three. The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases. 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: His mercies never come to an end. They are new 25 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: every morning. Great is your faithfulness. As always, we want 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: to be an encouragement to our viewers to hold fast 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: to the unchanging word of God in this brand new year. 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Helfenbiinen. I'm filling in for doctor Tim Clinton. 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: I'll be your host today. 30 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim 31 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a 32 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: part of your life. 33 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Joining us now is doctor William Lyle, best known as 34 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: the pro life Doc. He is a board certified OBG 35 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: y N and former department chair at Sacred Heart Hospital 36 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: in Pensacola, Florida. He is a strong advocate for the 37 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: unborn and has dedicated much of his career to educating 38 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: people on the brutality of abortion. Doctor Lyle, thank you 39 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: for joining Sunday The Road Forward. It is great to 40 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: see you. 41 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: Ran, It's great to see you, and it's great to 42 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 3: have this discussion. 43 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm I'm looking at twenty twenty six and I'm 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: about to take a thousand Liberty University students actually up 45 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to the March for Life here later in January. And 46 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to believe I'm forty two years old, 47 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: but here we are celebrating multiple years now of a 48 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: post row world. In the United States. We have been 49 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: delivered delivered some some victories, but also some key setbacks. 50 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: You are going state by state educating people, young people 51 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: and even old people about the horror of abortion. What's 52 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: really happening from a medical perspective, I think no, no 53 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: one can. Many people can have disagreements, but no one 54 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: can dismiss this medical science behind abortion. You are keying 55 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: in on some key topics there. Tell us a little 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: bit of about what you're doing state by state and 57 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: particularly in the state of Ohio. 58 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: Well, we have a tour in twenty twenty six called 59 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: Abortion Is Not Healthcare. We're going to colleges, universities, medical schools, 60 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: residency programs, and we're even going to legislature showing that 61 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: all patients have rights. Because all fifty states have laws 62 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: that protect the rights of patients. There's federal law that 63 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: protects the rights of all patients. But the patients are 64 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 3: the moms. But the patients are also the babies inside 65 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: of the womb. Even at my hospital, we have done 66 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: life saving blood transfusions the babies in the womb as 67 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: early as eighteen weeks gestation. Cleveland Clinic has done transfusions 68 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: as early as seventeen weeks gestation. The Cleveland Clinic actually 69 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: performed an open heart surgery where they removed a tumor 70 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: from a baby's part. The baby was twenty seven weeks along. 71 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: They gave the mom an epidural so she was comfortable. 72 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: They made an incision in the mom's belly, an incision 73 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: in her womb. They brought out the right hand and 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: the left hand of the baby, and then they started 75 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: an IV in the hand of the baby where the 76 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: baby was getting not just fluids, but was getting fentanyl 77 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: to prevent pain and a paralytic called norkuron so the 78 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: baby wouldn't move around. During the surgery, they made an 79 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: incision in the baby's chest, opened the baby's chest, removed 80 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: the tumor from that beating heart. It went very smoothly. 81 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: They closed the baby's chest disconnected the ivy, They closed 82 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: the uterus, closed the mother's skin. They didn't deliver the 83 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: baby for ten weeks later, at thirty seven weeks gestation. 84 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: Clearly the baby is a patient. But we're now doing 85 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: brain surgery, spine a bit, the corrective surgery, laser vascular surgery. 86 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: All paid have rights and a patience a person, no 87 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: matter how small. So we're going to go to the colleges, 88 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: the medical schools, the universities, and we're going to educate 89 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: because the science will protect the preborn. We stand up 90 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: for science. Science is on our side. Science was created 91 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: by God, so we need to use that tool. But 92 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: so many of our opposition do not look at scripture 93 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: as an authoritative source. So we can't start with Genesis 94 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: one twenty six where we're creating the image of God. 95 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: But what we're seeing is that when we show them 96 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: the science, and we actually show them how we treat 97 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: and cure the babies in the womb, and we'll ask 98 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: them simple questions, Are you a supporter of patient's rights? 99 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: They all say yes, Are you a supporter of patient's 100 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: rights that weren't born in the United States. Now they 101 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: get indignant and defiant. They go. You better believe I do. 102 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: Then you need to support the rights of patients that 103 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: weren't born in the United States yet. And it's a 104 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: powerful tool to change hearts and minds. 105 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: How much of this you know? So often we I 106 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: hear from seculars who are very dogmatic in these positions, 107 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: and you hear about scientism, you know, scientism during COVID, 108 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: and that's just this kind of un this this idealic 109 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: belief in some kind of science. But it's not actually 110 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: medical science, you know, So scientism versus actual science. It's 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a warring ideology, is it not. 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a worrying ideology for sure. I mean, even 113 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: when it comes to transgenderism, we now know scientifically that 114 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: when we do perform a surgery for a child who 115 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: is confused on their identity for whatever reason, the risk 116 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: of suicide and death actually goes up on these children. 117 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: If I had a six foot tall woman coming to 118 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: my office and she weighs eighty pounds but she wants 119 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: to get on a weight loss injection, I'm not going 120 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: to put her on a weight loss injection. Even if 121 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: she looks in the mirror and she identifies as being obese. 122 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: No she's delusional, she has anarexia nervosa, and she's not 123 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: seeing things right. So when these people have something not 124 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: from the waist down, but they have an issue that 125 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: we need to deal with from the neck up. This 126 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: is a mental health crisis and we need to address 127 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: this and help these kids because they are being pressured 128 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: with pressures that we don't even understand. But this is 129 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: also an attack against God's planning. Genesis one twenty six 130 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: is a male and female created He them, And we're 131 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: not just born as a boy or a girl. We 132 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: are created, and we are conceived at that moment, and 133 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: we are either XX chromosome or x Y chromosome. Those 134 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: are the options. And I've delivered five thousand babies and 135 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: guess what, every one of them was either a boy 136 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: or a girl. And it was at that moment when 137 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: we put it on the birth certificate. Their gender was 138 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: not determined by something that they thought had changed when 139 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: they turned seventeen or eighteen. 140 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Lyell, what are some common objections that you're getting 141 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: from young people. I'm thinking particularly gen Z. On college campuses, 142 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: typically the makeup is almost sixty percent female, and we 143 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: know that you know in many cases I think under 144 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: the age of thirty, over eighty percent of females vote left, 145 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: vote for Democrats, vote for pro choice policies, pro abortionist policies. 146 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: What are some common objections that you're getting. 147 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: Well, first, we have to start with education. A lot 148 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: of times they say, well, it's just a blob of tissue. 149 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: It doesn't have any value, it doesn't have a heart 150 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: that's beating. That's when we have to revert to and 151 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: understand and know the true science and be able to say, look, 152 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: twenty two days after conception, we can see the heart 153 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: that's beating, and the baby is beating and pulsating blood 154 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: that can be a different blood type from the mother. 155 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: And we show them how we can diagnose, treat, and 156 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: even cure babies and whom they are patients. But we 157 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: also have to educate on the brutality of what an 158 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: abortion actually is. And we have developed three D animations, 159 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: but we've also developed a series of videos which will 160 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: demonstrate without any blood or baby parts, first trimester, second trimester, 161 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: and third trimester abortion and actually how the abortion pill 162 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: works when it comes to abortion. Yes, the numbers of 163 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: abortion since Dobs when rovers has waivered was reversed. Number 164 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: of abortions have actually gone up, and that's mostly because 165 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: of the abortion pill. In about seventy percent of all 166 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: the abortions in the United States are performed with the 167 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: abortion pill. And yes, it is used up to twelve 168 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 3: weeks gestation. And there are at least twenty eight articles 169 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: online and how the abortion pill can be used to 170 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: kill a baby in the womb up to twenty four 171 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: weeks gestation. But we have to show what that life 172 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: looks like on the inside, and we can use the 173 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: technology ultrasound, MRI, three D ultrasound, four D ultrasound, all 174 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: sorts of technology which revealed that truth that is there 175 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: within the womb. And it's the truth that will set 176 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: these kids free. We just need to educate them and 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: bring them to that reality. My wife and I love 178 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: scuba diving. We're going to be in Fiji scuba diving. 179 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: Nobody had been scuba diving in Fiji until the nineteen 180 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: sixties when Jacques Coustau created the aqualug So you could 181 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: see the water, but you couldn't see all this beauty, 182 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: the coral, the light, the colors under the sea. But 183 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we had scuba dive and 184 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: we had cameras, we had video cameras. The technology went 185 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: down below the sea, and all of a sudden we 186 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: realized the harm we were doing when we were dumping 187 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 3: chemicals and dumping trash into the sea. It was the technology. 188 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: So yes, we need to let these ladies who are 189 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: very very bright, and let these men who are very 190 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: very bright, let them know the truth. Let them see 191 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: the truth. The truth will set them free, and then 192 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: they'll realize the value of what is beneath the skin, 193 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: beneath the womb, beneath the sea, and protect what they 194 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: is truly valuable. 195 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm just thinking to you know, in terms of 196 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: winning this next generation in the final minutes, what are 197 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: I guess some key arguments that you could give some 198 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: key wins. I was just reminded just a few moments 199 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: ago when you were talking about chemical abortion, that that's 200 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: being trafficked across the States. The Comstock Act has been 201 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: around for a really long time, I think over one 202 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: hundred years, going back to the late eighteen hundreds. Some 203 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: have argued it could be enforced in these matters, that 204 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: it could reduce the number of chemical abortions that are happening. 205 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: But what are some ways that we might be able 206 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: to win the hearts and minds? I know it certainly 207 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: comes down to being able to demonstrate through science and 208 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: through information the truth will set you free. But even 209 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: when it comes from a legal standpoint, what are some 210 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: things that we could do? 211 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 3: Back to the basics, we hold these truths to be 212 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: sell evident, that all men are created equal, that they 213 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: are endowed by their creator capital C with certain inalienable rights. 214 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: Among these, and the first one is life. We need 215 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: to use the science and say we are here to 216 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: protect life. The role of good government is to protect 217 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: the rights that were given to us by God, and 218 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: so we need to use the science to protect because 219 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: this is how we all started. And the most vulnerable 220 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: are the very very young, and then there is the 221 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: very very old. And we can see how when we 222 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 3: go on this path of not respecting and protecting life, 223 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you become like Canada, where doctor 224 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: assisted suicide is now the number or cause of death 225 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: in Canada. So we need to stand up for the 226 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 3: least able, and we need to defend those who are 227 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: unable to defend themselves and educate on what the value 228 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: is of these babies in the womb, and they truly 229 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: are patients. They have value. All patients do a patience 230 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: a person, no matter how small. But for the churches, 231 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: they need to engage. This is primarily a spiritual battle, 232 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: and we need to equip our pastors, our priests and 233 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: our rabbis to engage in this battle, which is a 234 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: spiritual battle. And they should be leading a spiritual battle, 235 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: not a bunch of politicians and not a bunch of 236 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: obstetricians from podiums, but are spiritual leaders from their pulpits. 237 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: In just a few weeks, many churches across the country 238 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: will be celebrating what is called Sanctity of Life Sunday, 239 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: and that is to raise awareness obviously on the issue 240 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: of abortion, but certainly championing life for mothers, for fathers. 241 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: When it comes to churches, I think many pastors have 242 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: done a fantastic job of preaching on life from the pulpit. 243 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: But it's also in your position you go around and 244 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: raise awareness to pastors, in particular counseling them. One in 245 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: four women in our churches have had an abortion talk. 246 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Just a little bit about that in our final moments together. 247 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: Sure they've had an abortion, and that is eighteen to 248 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: twenty four percent of all men and women in our churches. 249 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: They are hurting, they need healing. Healing comes from forgiveness, 250 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: and true forgiveness only comes through the Blood of Christ. 251 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: We need to have our pastors engaging on what is sin, 252 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: but also sharing about the Gospel and bringing healing to 253 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: these men and women for sanctity of human life. Sunday 254 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: people can go to our website. We have a lot 255 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: of free videos four minute video, seven minute video, eleven 256 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: minute video which goes through a lot of the things 257 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: that we've been discussing today, and you can download them 258 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: for free at prolifedoc dot org. And we realize a 259 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: lot of our pastors have not been trained. I spoke 260 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: at a pastor's conference one hundred and twenty Southern Baptist 261 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: pastors on this topic. Only three of them could remember 262 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: even having one lecture on how to discuss why abortion 263 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: is sin and why it is covered through the blood 264 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ. So we are here to equip, we 265 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: are here to educate to make them capable of defending 266 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: life in the womb. 267 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Bill Lyle, thank you so much for joining Sunday 268 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: the Road Forward, and certainly we pray godspeed in twenty 269 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: twenty six as you contend for life in the womb. 270 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: It's an honor to serve. 271 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ry, thank you, Happy holidays, and 272 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: Merry Christmas. This December, Patriot Mobile and Sunday the Road 273 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: Forward have a very special offer for you two free 274 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 4: months of mobile service for new Patriot Mobile customers. 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Bauer served in President 284 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's administration for eight years as Undersecretary of Education 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: and Chief Domestic Policy Advisor. Today, Bauer serves as President 286 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: of American Values, an educational nonprofit organization, and senior vice 287 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: president of public Policy for the Doctor James Dobson Family Institute. Gary, 288 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us It's great to see you. 289 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 5: My pleasure to be with you. 290 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: Hey, I understand it that just recently you had a 291 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: merry Christmas at the White House, and I want to 292 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: talk about that even as we head into the new 293 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty six. How encouraging was it to 294 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: see Christmas live and well, the traditions, the heritage, everything 295 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: that is American about Christmas, and even in the tradition 296 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: of the West. To see that celebrated in the Oval Office. 297 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: Well, thanks for asking me about that. You know, it 298 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: may seem like not such a big deal, but we've 299 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 5: had for a number of years now, particularly under the 300 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: previous president. He would barely mention God, let alone Jesus 301 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 5: and his Christmas proclamations and Thanksgiving and Easter and so forth. 302 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 5: This administration is not a shame to proclaim the Christian faith. 303 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 5: And so my wife and I did go over to 304 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 5: one of the multiple White House Christmas parties there were. 305 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 5: It was absolutely clear what we were celebrating. We weren't 306 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 5: celebrating in a Trump we weren't celebrating some secular water 307 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: down celebration. We were celebrating the birth of the little 308 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 5: baby that split history in two and so the President 309 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 5: was very clear about that. And the other thing I 310 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 5: noticed in the days during Christmas Week itself was not 311 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 5: only was the White House statement a clear statement of 312 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 5: Christian theology, but multiple members of the cabinet, Secretary of 313 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 5: State Rubio, Secretary of War Hexath, many others, in their 314 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 5: own Christmas statements mentioned the birth of Jesus Christ. It 315 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 5: drove the Washington Post and a bunch of the lefties crazy. 316 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: The Washington Post said, this is a total breach of 317 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 5: what the trend has been, which is to stay focused 318 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 5: on Santa Claus and Christmas trees. Well, that really is 319 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 5: of what this is all about. So I'm very pleased 320 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 5: that President Trump did that, and I think it's culturally 321 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: a very important moment for Christians around America to realize 322 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: you don't have to hide your faith under a bushel. 323 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 5: We're living in a different time now and we can 324 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: in love tell our neighbors and friends and our fellow 325 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: Americans why and what the meaning is of the birth 326 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 5: of the baby Jesus. 327 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: Amen. 328 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so thankful for one of the graces 329 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: that we have in the West in particular, and it 330 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's the United States, or if the 331 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, even Paris, France. It's the reminder that our 332 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: calendar is inherently Christian. Our days are numbered, our years 333 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: are numbered. This is the year of our Lord, twenty 334 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: twenty six. We cannot deny the birth of Christ, the incarnation, 335 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: and our calendar when it comes to Easter or Pentecost, 336 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, all of the various holidays, Thanksgiving, which is 337 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: quintessentially American but unmistakably Christian. All of these things are 338 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: a reminder. And I know, you know, the ACLU hates this, 339 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: the Freedom from Religion Foundation and others they chagrin, but 340 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: you cannot escape the Christian realities when it comes to America. 341 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the things that keeps 342 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: us centered and keeps us grounded when secularists want us 343 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: to float away on some kind of cloud of belief 344 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: that America was not a Christian nation, that it's a 345 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: secular nation. I just want to say this, going back 346 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: to the losses in twenty twenty five, obviously, doctor James Dobson, 347 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: certainly Charlie Kirk vote Bacham, doctor John MacArthur, and many others. 348 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: At Charlie's memorial service, you had many cabinet members making 349 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: remarks that were unmistakably Christian gospel oriented, pointing to Jesus Christ. 350 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: And I will say this, Sary, I don't think everyone 351 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: on that stage was a Christian, but everyone was certainly 352 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: praising and honoring the Lamb of God. 353 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 5: Yes, no question about you know, I'd like to go 354 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 5: back for a second when you address the fact that 355 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 5: America has always been built on these Judeo Christian ideas. 356 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 5: I've argued that the most important founding document is the 357 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 5: Declaration of Independence. And in that document, and it's not long, 358 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: it's only a few pages long, God has referred to 359 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 5: four different times. So take that people that keep claiming 360 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 5: that the separation of church and state means that America 361 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: is not supposed to have anything to do with religion. 362 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 5: The Founders talked in the Declaration about God and his 363 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 5: role as in the as an executive making decisions that 364 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 5: affect the world. They talk about him as a legislator, 365 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 5: they talk about him as the Supreme judge. In other words, 366 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: they talk about him performing all three branches of what 367 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 5: our current government is. But in God, they're all united 368 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 5: when it comes to God giving those liberties to us. 369 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 5: Then they have to be divided into three bridges, into 370 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 5: three branches, so they can check each other, because we're 371 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 5: not God, we're falling men, and without being checked, we 372 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 5: end up doing bad things. But there's a long history 373 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 5: here and we need to reteach it to our children. 374 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 5: On your point about twenty twenty five, yeah, there were 375 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 5: many great things this year, but there were also some 376 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 5: real losses. And just to mention too, we had the 377 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: loss of my old friend, good friend, doctor James Dobson, 378 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 5: who lived a great life, a full life I believe 379 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 5: had an incredible impact on American society, on the American family. 380 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: I think he was one of the four Runners and 381 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: getting Christians to realize they need to be good citizens. 382 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 5: But he was blessed with a full life, a life 383 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 5: that went many years, and then he was taken home 384 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 5: to be with the Lord. And I have absolutely no 385 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 5: doubt has heard the words well done, good and faithful servant. 386 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 5: Your viewers will be happy to know. I think that 387 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 5: there's a great team at the James Dobson Family Institute, 388 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 5: which is the group he's run the last fifteen years, 389 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: and that board and the staff there under the leadership 390 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 5: of a man named Bart Brock, who I've come to 391 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: really know well, is committed to continuing the legacy of 392 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 5: doctor Dobson, and I think you'll see some great things 393 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six as they do that now. Around 394 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 5: the same time as doctor Dobson's passing, we had the 395 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 5: completely untimely and evil murder of Charlie Kirk, which was heartbreaking, 396 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 5: and the fact that these two events happened within weeks 397 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 5: of each other was almost too much to bear. I 398 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 5: don't think anybody can predict the future, but I think 399 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 5: there was a consensus to some degree that Charlie Kirk 400 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 5: had incredible things ahead of him. Even at this young age, 401 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 5: people were already talking about him as being a future 402 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 5: president of the United States. Those shoes are going to 403 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 5: be very difficult to fill, and I would ask your 404 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 5: viewers and Christians everywhere to pray for Erica Kirk as 405 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 5: she does her best to both recover from this loss 406 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 5: of her husband and the father of her children, but 407 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 5: also to try to preserve and grow the incredible organization 408 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: that he built by having the boldness of going into 409 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 5: the heart of the American left on America's university campuses 410 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: and taking on anybody and everybody that wanted to check 411 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: him on virtually any issue. 412 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's fascinating. Obviously you served as Undersecretary of Education. 413 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to think, would we have ever thought then, 414 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five the American university would be a 415 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: place of such hostility that it would be kind of 416 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: a place where, you know, you could be an American martyr, 417 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, actually dying for your faith, dying for your 418 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Christian witness. Not in a place like say Ecuador, where 419 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, Missionary Jim Elliott went many years ago and 420 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: died for the Gospel. But the public university becomes a 421 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: place of such hostility, you know, in twenty twenty five, 422 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: could you have ever thought of that? 423 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: No, although even all the way back into Reagan administration, 424 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: when I was Under Secretary of Education under Bill Bennett, 425 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 5: we were deeply concerned then, as was President Reagan, about 426 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 5: what was happening on these campuses. Already you could see 427 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 5: the signs of universities teaching not American history but anti 428 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 5: American history. And it was particularly ironic and infuriating that 429 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 5: some of the finest universities in America when they first 430 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 5: started all the way back in the late seventeen hundreds 431 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: and early eighteen hundreds, they're charters almost to a university 432 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 5: said that one of their prime goals was to raise 433 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 5: up young men and women to be followers of Jesus Christ. 434 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 5: So once they abandoned that, we saw just how far 435 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 5: off the rails they've gone. And right now I still 436 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 5: hear people saying, you know, when it comes to anti Semitism, 437 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 5: when it comes to this issue or that issue, we 438 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: just need more education. Well, we're not getting any education. 439 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 5: And in fact, as we see in the universities, there's 440 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 5: no guarantee that when you teach young Americans if the 441 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 5: teachers themselves are filled with these hateful philosophies, more education 442 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 5: is not going to do the job. 443 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: Gary, just in the final moments that we have together, 444 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: what do you see as the great There have been 445 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: some victories in twenty twenty five, there are some challenges 446 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: ahead of us as we celebrate the two hundred and 447 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of our nation in twenty twenty six. What 448 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: do you see those challenges as being in this coming year. 449 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 5: Well, there's so many of them. I mean, we see 450 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 5: all these statistics to break down to the family young 451 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 5: people aren't getting married. When they do get married, they're 452 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 5: not having children. So all of those things need to 453 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 5: be addressed. But let me mention one that I'm deeply 454 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: concerned about, and that is that Judeo Christian civilization, or 455 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 5: if you prefer, Western civilization, is in deep trouble. It's 456 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 5: got enemies within that reject the teachings of Western civilization, 457 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 5: and it certainly has enemies without Communism, radical Islam, and 458 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: so forth. The two pillars of that civilization are Israel 459 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 5: and the United States. We've seen the hostility to Israel 460 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 5: and the growing anti Semitism on the left. Sadly, we're 461 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 5: now beginning to see some of that on the right. 462 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 5: And I believe those of us that know that there 463 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 5: is a covenant relationship between the God of the Bible 464 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 5: and the Israeli people, the Jewish people, and that Israel 465 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: and the United States stand together in this great defense 466 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: of Western civilization, know that anti Semitism must always be denounced. 467 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: You cannot be a Christian and hate Jews. Our Savior 468 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: and the first family of Christendom were all Jews. The 469 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 5: Bible was written by Jews. The patriarchs were all Jews. 470 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 5: So I, for one, will do everything I can to 471 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 5: fight against growing anti Semitism on the right as well 472 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 5: as on the left. 473 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Just in a final closing minute here, you've served in 474 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: various capacities on domestic policy, and obviously when we think 475 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: about the US Commission of International Religious Liberty Religious Freedom, 476 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: how important is the long standing tide the United States 477 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: has with Israel. Just for our viewers this morning, how 478 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: important is that relationship? 479 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 5: The relationship is essential. You know, there's a there's a 480 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 5: misperception out there that if something happened to the United States, 481 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 5: Israel would be gone. Well, I would argue that it 482 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 5: goes the other way too, If something happened to Israel, 483 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: the United States would be gone. As I mentioned a 484 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 5: little earlier, we are the two pillars of Judeo Christian civilization. 485 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: Most of our founders were what was called at the 486 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 5: time restorationists. They believe that the Jewish people had to 487 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 5: be restored to their homeland in the Holy Land, and 488 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 5: they wrote about it and talked about that, and they 489 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: even in the founding documents and some of our founding 490 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: symbols took symbols that relate back to the ancient nation 491 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: of Israel. And rapped those into the American founding. So 492 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 5: we share the same values. We're joined at the heart 493 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 5: and soul, and I believe these two great nations are 494 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 5: the only things standing between us and another dark age. 495 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: Gary, I could not agree with you more. Going into 496 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, as we celebrate the two hundred and 497 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: fifty years of our nation, we need to strengthen those 498 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: foundations that remain, and that absolutely includes our partnership with Israel. 499 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: We'll leave it right there. I don't think anyone could 500 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 1: have said it better this morning, Gary Bauer, Thank you 501 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: so much for joining Sunday the Road Forward. 502 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 5: My pleasure great to be with you. 503 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: Do people ever come to you asking for help? Maybe hope? 504 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: How about prayer? Do you ever wish you understood the 505 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: issues better that people are wrestling with? 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Rod thank you for joining Sunday The road forward. 533 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: It is great to see you, sir. 534 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 6: Great to be here. 535 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about just very briefly, in 536 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, obviously beginning a new year, people are 537 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to celebrating the birth of our nation. But 538 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: just recently Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo was down 539 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: at mar A Lango with President Trump. This is a 540 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: key relationship the United States has had since going all 541 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the way back to nineteen forty eight, but talk particularly 542 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: in this moment, it seems as though some parts of 543 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: the conservative world pro MAGA, have turned upside down when 544 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: it comes to rising anti Semitism. When it comes to Israel. 545 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: We're seeing some key leaders that are trying to divide 546 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: the movement. I see leaders, I mainly mean podcasters and influencers. 547 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean influence, I don't mean any kind of 548 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: leaders of any major organizations. 549 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be hard to think of anybody other 550 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 6: than Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey who have taken 551 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 6: a an alarmingly anti Israel position. Serious people aren't doing that, 552 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 6: but some serious podcasters are getting a lot of clicks 553 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 6: and a lot of revenue share off of doing that. 554 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 6: So that is certainly a thing. It's certainly having an impact. 555 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 6: One of the dumbest arguments I have heard repeatedly is 556 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 6: that Israel couldn't exist without US four and aid. 557 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 3: Well. 558 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 6: Israel has a six hundred billion dollar economy. It's on 559 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 6: its way to a trillion pretty fast. It has been 560 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 6: on this incredible Singapore or Hong Kong like upswing for 561 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 6: twenty years thanks to the massive free market reforms away 562 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 6: from socialism that we got under Benjamin net and Yahoo 563 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 6: and continue to get. It is absolutely one of the 564 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 6: most dynamic technological and financial hubs in the world. And 565 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 6: now it even has energy exports. They just signed a 566 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 6: thirty billion dollar natural gas export deal with Egypt. This 567 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 6: is interconnecting the region in a way that's very positive 568 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 6: for peace because it's really kind of hard to shoot 569 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 6: at your supplier, So lots of good things are happening here. 570 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 6: Israel is a crucial ally. They do a lot of 571 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 6: our dirty work, and you know that takes many forms. 572 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 6: Certainly we saw it in the Twelve Day War. Again, 573 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 6: the podcasters who seem to think that the tail is 574 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 6: wagging the dog here are just out to lunch. Donald 575 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 6: Trump has been saying since twenty eleven fifty eight separate 576 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 6: times before the Twelve Day War that he would never 577 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 6: allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. It was net 578 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 6: in Yahoo doing trumps bidding, not the other way around, 579 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 6: and we're grateful for that. They also field test our 580 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 6: anti ballistic missile weapons, whether you're talking about lower level 581 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 6: stuff like Iron Dome or very high level stuff like 582 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 6: the Arrow three system, which we're going to be deploying 583 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 6: here as part of the Golden Dome program, and Iron Beam, 584 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 6: which is an operational anti missile laser system now courtesy 585 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 6: of the Israeli and of course jointly developed with US 586 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 6: military contractors. So when they say Israel has to have 587 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 6: US military aid, well kind of, but almost one hundred 588 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 6: percent of it stays in the United States and goes 589 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 6: to Boeing, Lockheed, et cetera. So the whole thing is 590 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 6: a huge misunderstanding of the nature of this partnership. Forty 591 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 6: years ago, some of those criticisms were true. It's not 592 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 6: forty years ago, and. 593 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a critical point to make 594 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: is how advanced Israel has become in science and industry technology. 595 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: A lot of the munitions, again that they're paying fair 596 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: market value for So it's not like these are freebies 597 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: given away Israel. We're selling you know, planes, military planes, missiles, 598 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: all of that too. 599 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: Israel. 600 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: They are paying for the value of those things. They 601 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: make major upgrades to that technology as well. Talk a 602 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: little bit though, and I think this is some thing 603 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: for our viewers just to understand what's happening this rift. 604 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: There are bad actors. There, certainly are other nations that 605 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: do not share the same interests as the United States 606 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 1: and certainly Western civilization. They're trying to bring it all down. 607 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: I've heard rumors that Katar is involved in other nations 608 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to disinformation campaigns, when it comes to 609 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: renting conservatives, so to speak, to promote some kind of propaganda. 610 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit to that. 611 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 6: Well, there's an enormous influence operation from other parts of 612 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 6: the Middle East against Israel and against our relationship with them. 613 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 6: And again we hear about all of this Israeli money 614 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 6: in American politics. Well, when you do a pretty cursory examination, 615 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 6: you realize that Israel is just barely in the top 616 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 6: ten of foreign nations spending money to lobby the United States. 617 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 6: And why wouldn't they lobby the United States. They need 618 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 6: our help on lots of things. But countries that spend 619 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 6: lots more than Israel include China and Cutter, and Saudi 620 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 6: Arabia and for that matter, and this is kind of funny, 621 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 6: the Bahamas spend more than Israel to lobby the United States. 622 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 6: So a lot of this is just foolish talk. It's 623 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 6: completely devoid of contexts. And meanwhile, yes, Israel has very 624 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 6: real enemies. Cutters spent the last several decades harboring Hamas leadership. 625 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 6: They are one of the worst actors in the area. 626 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 6: They were actually shut down, blockaded by the Saudis and 627 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 6: the UAE and by Rain for a while in the 628 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 6: previous decade because of their ties to the Islamic leadership 629 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 6: in Iran. So yeah, we have kind of put Cutter 630 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 6: in a bit of a box. They're investing a lot 631 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 6: of money into the United States now, and we've kind 632 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 6: of made them a protectorate and I think that will 633 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 6: be helpful. But I was on Frank Gaffney's show earlier 634 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 6: today and we were talking about the fact that these 635 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 6: are ideologically gie hottists, and you're not going to be 636 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 6: able to consistently be friends with them. That's just not 637 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 6: a thing. All we can do is kind of hem 638 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,479 Speaker 6: them in And fortunately, you know, Cutter, you've got less 639 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 6: than a million people, so there's a limit to the 640 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 6: power they can project. They do have a heck of 641 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 6: a lot of money. 642 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, turn our attention now to you know, twenty 643 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty six. You know, tax season will come in April. 644 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: What relief can Americans expect? And I know that one 645 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: of the biggest talking points right now on domestic policy 646 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: is the issue of affordability. Many people are concerned about 647 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: rising prices, a lot of it due to Biden inflation. 648 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, the lockdown policies of COVID. We printed trillions 649 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: of dollars, making things out of reach now for many 650 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: of the poor in our country. And of course gen Z, 651 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: we can't forget about them. There's all kinds of grievances. 652 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: How do we hold all this together and turn people 653 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: towards free market capitalism and away from socialism. 654 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 6: Well, with regard to affordability, I'm not going to tell 655 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 6: anybody they shouldn't feel what they're feeling. I'm just going 656 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 6: to say, look at the source. This isn't how it 657 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 6: was until Biden's team screwed everything up, and we were 658 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 6: talking about nine percent inflation at one point. Now, for 659 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 6: the first time in six years, we actually have wage 660 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 6: growth out pacing the rate of inflation, which is much 661 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 6: lower and much lower than a economist consensus expectations. We're 662 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 6: also seeing tremendous economic growth. We had clocked in at 663 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 6: four point three percent GDP growth for Q four. That's 664 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 6: just amazing. That's just incredible, And it could go a 665 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 6: lot higher than that, and I expect that it will. 666 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 6: So I expect that what we're going to see in 667 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 6: twenty twenty six is going to look a lot like 668 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 6: nineteen eighty four. You know, you come out of this 669 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 6: harsh recession, which fortunately we haven't endured, but a harsh 670 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 6: recession in eighty two and eighty three in which, you know, 671 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 6: all the chickens came home to roost from carter years 672 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 6: decades of needless inflation, and the Federal Reserve steps in 673 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 6: to kind of slay that, and you lay the groundwork, 674 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 6: and Reagan's tax cuts are starting to take effect. And 675 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 6: what happened in eighty four was an enormous supply side boom. 676 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 6: Well that's exactly what we're looking at right now. The 677 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 6: tax uts kick in day after tomorrow, actually, and so 678 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 6: you're going to see a tremendous amount more money in 679 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 6: the average paycheck that isn't going to Washington to be 680 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 6: wasted on fake Somali daycares and really go of course 681 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 6: to support Al Kada affiliates in Somalia. You know, that's 682 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 6: getting reduced, and your amount of payment for it is 683 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 6: going to be dramatically lower. And we're going to see 684 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 6: some tremendous things happen over the course of the year 685 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 6: for affordability. But the bigger story is wage growth and 686 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 6: the number of jobs available, and that, as much as 687 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 6: anything else, is a story about the eighteen trillion dollars 688 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 6: in new investment that Donald Trump has attracted in the 689 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 6: United States since the first of this year. It's just amazing. 690 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 6: There's nothing like it in history. And for reference, the 691 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 6: entire American economy is just thirty trillion, So he's bringing 692 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,959 Speaker 6: in new investment that's almost two thirds of the entire 693 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 6: American economy. And yes, once you actually put a shovel 694 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 6: in the dirt, once you actually build a plant, there's 695 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 6: going to be a tremendous amount of new jobs that 696 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 6: pay well that go to Americans. That's the other big 697 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 6: story that's worth noting. Since Donald Trump took office, we 698 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 6: have seen a tremendous diminishment in the number of illegal 699 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 6: aliens in the country. Two and a half million illegal 700 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 6: aliens are gone, most of them self deported, and that 701 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 6: brings down housing prices in due order. If you have 702 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 6: ten million people illegally cross the border in a very 703 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 6: short amount of time, they all have to have someplace 704 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 6: to live, and so Biden artificially inflated housing prices that way, 705 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 6: that's about to unwind. And not only that, but you 706 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 6: start seeing a tremendous number of jobs that we're going 707 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 6: to illegals now going to American citizens, and those are 708 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 6: only going to improve in quality. So I'm very bullish 709 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 6: on twenty twenty six, and I think we're going to 710 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 6: have a tremendous mid term performance to show. 711 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: For that final question as we go, I just want 712 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: you to touch a little bit on China. I know 713 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: that's always a policy concern. When it comes to foreign policy, 714 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: China is always menacing. What do you see in twenty 715 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 1: twenty six when it comes to tariffs, when it comes 716 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,760 Speaker 1: to trade, and economic activity with China. 717 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 6: I think we're moving very much in the right direction. 718 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 6: The President has them in a box. They understand that 719 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 6: they're in a box. They have to save face, so 720 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 6: they saber rattle. So you know, the Japanese say an 721 00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 6: attack on Taiwan would directly affect Japanese nationals, secus purity, 722 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 6: and we would respond, and the Chinese go haywire. But 723 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 6: look what they just did. They actually reduce tariffs going 724 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 6: into the new year on the United States. They they're 725 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 6: not doing the things they threatened with regard to Japan. 726 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 6: And this new arms deal with Taiwan is tremendously significant. 727 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 6: It's the biggest arms deal we've ever done with Taiwan. 728 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 6: But it's what's in it. It's the high mars, it's 729 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,720 Speaker 6: the self propelled howitzers, it's all this electronic surveillance stuff 730 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 6: that makes it possible for Taiwan to effectively thwart an 731 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 6: amphibious invasion. The more you take away the possibility of 732 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 6: that invasion succeeding, the lower the risk of war. And 733 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 6: the Trump administration is doing a fantastic job of containing 734 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 6: China in a way that forces them to recenter on 735 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 6: the export driven nature of their economy me and work 736 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 6: toward a good trade relationship with the United States. 737 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: Very well said this morning, Rod Martin, thank you so 738 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: much for joining us. By the way, where can we 739 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: find more content from you? 740 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 6: Come to Rodmartin dot org. That's Rodmartin dot org. 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