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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 3: Topic of race, this is going to end up being

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Speaker 3: good news you're going to be happy about. Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is not a downer segment when I get to some

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Speaker 3: statistics that back up what you think, what you what

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Speaker 3: we think, what your neighbors think, as opposed to what

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Speaker 3: you're being told every single day.

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Speaker 2: But first of this, what are we about to hear? Katie?

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Speaker 5: So this is from an YouTube podcast called so True,

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Speaker 5: and it's Caleb Herron, who is a gay comedian and

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Speaker 5: Nori Reid, who is queer, and I believe trams talking

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Speaker 5: about their one of them.

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Speaker 2: Is gay and one of them's queer. I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't use the term queer.

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Speaker 4: Refuse well, and I spank you verbally for using it.

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Speaker 4: It's an all purpose term that just means I'm against

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Speaker 4: the man man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: My dad is white and I can't do anything about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing I can do.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm gonna cry because I can't do anything about that.

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Speaker 2: I hate that you had to go through that.

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Speaker 7: Thank you as somebody of white experience, I know how

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Speaker 7: about it can.

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Speaker 2: Be, but my mom is full on Asian thank you.

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Speaker 7: That's when my dad died. I cheered because I said,

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Speaker 7: that's one last white man. That's how progressive I am.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, I like talk about ally. I said,

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Speaker 7: get him out of here, get him out of here.

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Speaker 7: I said, take him away, satan.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of how it works, right.

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Speaker 6: It's like if one white person dies, then you say

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Speaker 6: that like a person of color comes into the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a diverse story gets elevated. It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: a spiritual experience.

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem with everything in modern society. You play

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Speaker 3: that for me ten years ago, I know they're jerking

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Speaker 3: But now everything is so crazy that could be them

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent what they believe.

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Speaker 2: And I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: I suspect it's sincere. Really, yes, oh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: they I have been insane folder of stories ready to

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Speaker 4: various corporations in the government and how utterly racist and

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Speaker 4: twisted they are. Yeah, Katie, would you like to weigh

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Speaker 4: in on the authenticity or sincerity of the two gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Well, it seemed quite sincere. And that's kind of the theme.

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Speaker 5: Of this podcast is mega left progressive hitting all the

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Speaker 5: talking points that the media salivates over.

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Speaker 4: The fact that a philosophy that insane and insanely stupid

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Speaker 4: to me. It is so post enlightenment, it is so

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Speaker 4: and yet it has infected so many of our institutions.

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember when in California, and this is probably

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Speaker 3: the line got crossed. There were more people that weren't

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Speaker 3: the cheering and celebration about that, it's just so weird

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Speaker 2: That's nuts.

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Speaker 4: Folks who have been converted to the Church of Dei

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Speaker 3: that's like, why is that thrilling for you? That will

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Speaker 4: But if you want to see how that works, go

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Speaker 4: a proud Christian or an atheist. That's worse, you'll be

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Speaker 4: treated to tell them you're a gay atheist. Okay, if

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Speaker 2: So a poll that is good news.

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Speaker 3: Then this is from the Manhattan Institute Serious Organization. All polls,

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Speaker 3: not this one. But polls have shown we've gone backwards

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Speaker 3: on race since the nineties. Things have actually gotten worse

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Speaker 3: with you know, being more focused on race and theory

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Speaker 3: ask people the question, are you're given two choices here?

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Speaker 3: Actually you're given three. Not sure is always a choice,

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Speaker 2: So oh no, I just want to hang out with

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Speaker 2: those people. Think about it for a minute. I'll wait.

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Speaker 2: No opinion.

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Speaker 3: But the other two choices you have are we should

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Speaker 3: harms of the past by developing policies that benefit marginalized groups.

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Speaker 3: That's what we have been doing since the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: sixty sixty eight percent. The second choice, almost seventy percent

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Speaker 3: You always say it's a good idea to because it's

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Speaker 3: So only thirty seven percent of black people choose the

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 4: And I would like to see the Black folks divide

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Speaker 3: Even Democrats. It's a twenty point win for let's be

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Speaker 2: And all this sort of stuff. It's a twenty point

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Speaker 3: For young people, which might be most susceptible to this

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Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, you are quite right when you mentioned we

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Speaker 4: Yet we've all been hammered with Dei and Robin DiAngelo

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Speaker 4: go into it. We should have that the eight billion

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Speaker 4: In the US is demonstrably accomplishing the opposite of what

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Speaker 4: what it's there for. It's an instrument of the takeover

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Speaker 4: It's the sheep's clothing the wolf is wearing.

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Speaker 3: It also shows that it's the minority opinion by a

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Speaker 4: Yeah's heartening, that's some excellent news.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and this has been the message of our

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Speaker 4: I got my kids Plato's Cave for Christmas. They played

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Speaker 2: Right a Plato.

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Speaker 4: Cave now tell us about play I see you have

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Speaker 3: Oh see, these people are in a dark cave and

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Speaker 2: But that is what we're doing with all this stuff,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the media, we've used the term funhouse mirrors or whatever,

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Speaker 4: but Plato's cave is a good illustration of it too.

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Speaker 3: I have had a piece of pie every single day

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Speaker 4: Some economists have finally woken up to the fact that

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Speaker 2: We see that all the time in fashion Police.

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Speaker 4: So they go into that at some length, and it's

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Speaker 4: achieving black students were sometimes mocked for quote acting white.

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Speaker 4: By incorporating this kind of peer pressure, the framework we've

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Speaker 4: been talking about also illuminates how gender norms can influence

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Speaker 4: field of study choices. Women might avoid STEM fields not

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Speaker 4: because a lack of ability or interest, but due to

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Speaker 4: societal norms dictating what is considered appropriate for their sex.

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Speaker 4: They found a single business school.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is really interesting.

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Speaker 3: That may have changed since I was in school, or

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Speaker 3: maybe it depends on the neighborhood you're living, like. I

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Speaker 3: live in a college town, So it would make sense

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Speaker 3: that popularity and high school achievement might go together, but

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Speaker 3: it didn't.

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Speaker 2: At my school.

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Speaker 3: The most popular people were absolutely not the people with

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Speaker 3: the highest grade point averages, and would have been kind

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Speaker 3: of unimaginable that it would.

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Speaker 2: Be interesting interesting, and here as white as they come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're all white. One moment, I'm sorry. One

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Speaker 4: more example, and then I want to make a point

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Speaker 4: kind of disputing a little of this, but let's see this.

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Speaker 4: Guy and his co authors have found that single female

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Speaker 4: business school students quote reported lower desired salaries and willingness

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Speaker 4: to travel and work long hours on a real stakes

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Speaker 4: placement questionnaire when they expected their classmates to see their preference,

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Speaker 4: a phenomenon known as acting.

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Speaker 2: Wife as opposed to acting white.

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Speaker 4: That is interesting, so and I misunderstood when I read

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Speaker 4: it the first time. So if you ask single female

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Speaker 4: business school students, what's your desired salary? What's your willingness

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Speaker 4: to travel and work long hours? They will answer differently

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Speaker 4: if they expect their peers to see their answers.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm not sure I understand that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm one thing, And it's funny. Tim Sanderfer and I.

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Speaker 4: One of the few like significant difficult disagreements we've ever

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Speaker 4: had is when we were doing a book club thingy

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Speaker 4: that some of you may remember, when we were talking

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Speaker 4: about Sebastian Junger's book Tribe, and I really liked it

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Speaker 4: and thought it was really interesting thought provoking, and Tim

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Speaker 4: didn't like it at all. He thought it was collectivist claptrap.

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Speaker 4: I am paraphrasing bluntly and skilllessly. I'm sure Tim expressed

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Speaker 4: his opinion much more eloquently. But the thing, and I

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Speaker 4: think I may have said it to Tim, is that

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Speaker 4: what Tim has to remember and what we have to remember,

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Speaker 4: is that Tim is like at the the outer one

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Speaker 4: percent of iconoclastic individualists the way he sees the world,

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Speaker 4: and you and I are way out on that scale too,

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Speaker 4: I think. And there are some very lovely people, very

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Speaker 4: nice people who are like way past the midway point,

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Speaker 4: and they're like good twenty five percent toward They find

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Speaker 4: it really rewarding to be part of what other people

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Speaker 4: are doing and go along with the crowd and to conform.

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Speaker 4: They get a feeling of belonging from that that I

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Speaker 4: think most real individualists.

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Speaker 2: Don't experience in the same way.

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Speaker 4: Right, And so you've got to remember when you're thinking

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Speaker 4: about society on a whole, not everybody sees the.

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Speaker 2: World like I do.

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Speaker 3: Hyeah, especially if for talking economics like you said earlier, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you just do need to observe or take in what

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Speaker 3: is whether it makes sense to you or not.

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Speaker 4: And one of the great revolutions of revelations, not revolutions,

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Speaker 4: well there's a revolution, it was a revelation revolution is

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Speaker 4: that the Founding Fathers designed the Constitution to be ironclad

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Speaker 4: against any takeover by monarchs or dictators or even populous.

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Speaker 4: Not because most humans crave liberty, but because most humans don't.

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Speaker 2: That was the danger. And when I realized that, I thought, oh, oh, yes.

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Speaker 3: It works both ways though that whole want to be

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Speaker 3: part of the crowd, It depends on your crowd. And

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Speaker 3: that gets to the we were talking about the whole

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Speaker 3: keeping it real thing earlier. If your crowd is it's

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Speaker 3: not cool to really achieve, it's not a good way

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Speaker 3: to keep it real. If if your crowd is, you know,

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Speaker 3: achieving is the thing to be cool, then but keeping

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Speaker 3: it real's fine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, something to be said for looking at the crowd

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Speaker 4: around you and assessing whether they are helping your life

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Speaker 4: or hurting it.

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Speaker 3: The desire for acceptance, so, I mean, it's right there

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Speaker 3: in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It's a big one belonging

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Speaker 3: maslowt to shut up. I don't care what he thinks.

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Speaker 3: Shut up, Maslow, get down off your Pyramid.

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Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or Jack your Joe podcasts and our hot links

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Speaker 4: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear what's happening in this country. It's Nazism.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are Nazis.

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Speaker 5: You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people.

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Speaker 2: Growing up in the nineties, I never thought much about race.

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Speaker 3: Sure you noticed, but never really seemed to matter that much,

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Speaker 3: at least not to me, being a.

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Speaker 2: White, straight, cisgender man. It's the top of the piles.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the top of the bile. That's me. Am

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Speaker 2: I Racist? I would really appreciate it if you left.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn the long this Jurney, Do you

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Speaker 2: please leave?

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Speaker 3: That's for Am I Racist? Which I'm going to on

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Speaker 3: Saturday and I look forward to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before we talk about that, just real quickly, because

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Speaker 4: I'll forget again. I watched the brand new Netflix Apollo

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Speaker 4: thirteen documentary last night. It was outstanding, absolutely great, compelling,

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Speaker 4: a lot of NASA footage from the archives that hadn't

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Speaker 4: been seen.

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Speaker 3: I read that it was even more dramatic than the movie, which,

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Speaker 3: of course, you know, is scripted in such a way

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Speaker 3: to make it more dramatic to make it dramatic, which

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Speaker 3: sounds amazing.

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Speaker 4: I was on the edge of my seat. Judy had

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Speaker 4: a commitment. She got home, like with ten minutes left,

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Speaker 4: and I said.

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Speaker 2: All right, I gotta finish this. I gotta finish this.

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Speaker 4: I got it and during without giving too much away,

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Speaker 4: of course, it's a historical event. People know what happened,

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Speaker 4: but just the structure of the thing. But during the

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Speaker 4: moments at the very end, when it wasn't clear the

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Speaker 4: astronauts were alive, I said to Judy, sitting next to

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Speaker 4: me on the couch, I said, I.

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Speaker 2: Know how this ends, and this is killing.

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Speaker 4: It's just unbelievably beautifully done.

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Speaker 2: My only it's not a criticism.

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Speaker 4: It's the only way it pales in comparison to the

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Speaker 4: brilliant movie with Tom Hanks, The Delicious, Kevin Bacon and

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Speaker 4: Gary Sinez.

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Speaker 2: Is that.

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Speaker 4: The documentary under dramatized the incredible creativity it took to

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Speaker 4: redesign systems to do something completely different that the movie

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Speaker 4: did brilliantly. As the folks back on Earth were trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out how do we have them build a

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Speaker 4: filter to get all the carbon dioxide out of the capsule,

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Speaker 4: and they literally took a tube from this, a box

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Speaker 4: from that, some cloth from that, and said, all right,

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Speaker 4: plug this in. And they conducted these experiments, created this

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Speaker 4: technology out of nothing in the space of like thirty

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Speaker 4: six hours, working frantically around the clock. So I would suggest,

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Speaker 4: you know, watch the movie and the document and then

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Speaker 4: a nonspiring story.

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Speaker 2: And then Tom Hanks dies of aids or is that

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Speaker 2: a different movie.

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Speaker 4: Different movie, another fine film, though he and Jenny get together.

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Speaker 4: I will also make this point if you're done with

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Speaker 4: your inanities. And this is kind of a leading It

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Speaker 4: was interesting that mission control, the virtually everyone involved was

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Speaker 4: a white man.

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Speaker 2: Which is why against the I won't recognize the moon landing,

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Speaker 2: and and we as a society of you know, I

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Speaker 2: think you come a long way in involving the best

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Speaker 2: and brightest, no matter what they look like.

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, it was also undeniable that all

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Speaker 4: of those white fellas were brilliant, hardworking, creative, responsible, compassionate.

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Speaker 2: And virtually everything you could want from.

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Speaker 4: A human being. So hey, here's an idea. Let's not

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Speaker 4: demonize people because of the color of their skin. We

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Speaker 4: used to agree on that, which brings us to Matt

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Speaker 4: Walsh's hilarious and uncomfortable new m I Racist, which is

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Speaker 4: very enjoyable. It's I think the number four movie around

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Speaker 4: the country or sometimes is it really a top five

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Speaker 4: top five box office? No kidding yet got no reviews

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Speaker 4: zero And that was actually the topic of Matt's recent

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Speaker 4: Twitter thread. Many of you have asked how it's possible

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Speaker 4: that our new film, am I Racist hasn't been reviewed

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Speaker 4: by a single mainstream critic, even with a ninety nine

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Speaker 4: percent audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Speaker 3: Do you do something similar to the other direction like

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Speaker 3: Bowling from Columbine that's from the Left and the Michael

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Speaker 3: Moore any of the Michael Moore movies. Not only does

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Speaker 3: it get endless reviews, it wins Oscars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, top five box office debut. Beginning in August,

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Speaker 4: we reached out to dozens of mainstream out let's offering

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Speaker 4: an early screener of the film. These outlets included Time, AP, Indie, Wier, Variety, THHR,

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Speaker 4: Times New Yorker, and A bunch more all the usual

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Speaker 4: suspect You know what I'm going to name some of

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Speaker 4: the usual suspects. Oh, that's that's the list. Okay, blah

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Speaker 4: blah blah.

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Speaker 2: We did not a single one responded and said they

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Speaker 2: would review the movie.

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Speaker 4: We did, however, that yeah, follow it up to virtual silence,

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Speaker 4: So they bugged him again and said, hey, did you

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Speaker 4: get our package and everything? And virtual silence. We did, however,

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Speaker 4: receive a flurry of unprofessional emails from independent critics who

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Speaker 4: were enraged we'd even.

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Speaker 2: Ask them to review the film.

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Speaker 4: One of them the wrote that he wouldn't waste any

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Speaker 4: professional time on a movie opening in over fifteen hundred

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Speaker 4: theaters because I was involved. R it's Matt Walsh. Let's see,

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Speaker 4: here's the note. Wahaha absolutely not hardest decline. I will

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Speaker 4: not waste a second of my life on Matt Walsh.

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Speaker 2: Let's see.

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Speaker 4: Another critics said you'd have to strap me to a

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Speaker 4: chair like Malcolm McDowell. Let's say clockwork orange reference to

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Speaker 4: get me to watch this thing. Another wrote, you take

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Speaker 4: me off this list. After it was clear that am

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Speaker 4: I Racist was a hit, Variety attempted to cover for

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Speaker 4: this oversight with a claim that Daily Wire did not

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Speaker 4: screen the movie for critics. We've asked them to correct this,

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Speaker 4: but they have not. They still haven't posted a review,

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Speaker 4: but I hope they will a few other mainstream outlets

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Speaker 4: have since requested screeners but have yet to publish a review.

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Speaker 4: One major mainstream outlet even acknowledged we had attempted to

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Speaker 4: get them at advanced screener, but said the film had

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Speaker 4: slipped through the cracks. This isn't a mistake. You'd be

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Speaker 4: hard pressed to find another film that opened in fifteen

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Speaker 4: more than fifteen hundred theaters that was completely snubbed by

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Speaker 4: mainstream critics.

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Speaker 2: If Am I Racist were terrible.

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Speaker 4: These outlets could have reviewed it and trashed it, But

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Speaker 4: the reality is they're afraid of it. Am I Racist

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Speaker 4: been so successful because we specifically because we didn't churn

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Speaker 4: out another ste predictable Hollywood style film blah blah, blah blah,

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Speaker 4: one last thing. Rolling Stone was one of the first

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Speaker 4: outlets to request the screener for the review after the

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Speaker 4: movie was announced back in July. They've yet to post

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Speaker 4: a review, which is a bummer because I was looking

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Speaker 4: forward to theirs. Most of all, I've said many times,

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Speaker 4: there's a huge growing awareness of how the woke thing

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Speaker 4: and critical race theory and radical gender theory and queer theory,

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Speaker 4: the transgender thing it's all neo Marxism with different guys

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Speaker 4: as different faces, but it's all intent on tearing down

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Speaker 4: Western civilization and putting those people in charge. We are

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Speaker 4: at the end of the beginning, not the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the end. Here is a really well done, controversial, but

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Speaker 4: extremely relevant movie that they're so.

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