1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: name is Noel. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here that makes this the 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome to our 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: weekly listener mail segment where we get to hear directly 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: from you. If you're hearing this the evening it comes out. Also, 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to November fourteenth. Thanksgiving. Kind of a big deal 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: here in the US is on the way, and we 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: wish everybody hearing this the just the absolute best when 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: you have to hang out with your family members and 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: your loved ones as you go toward that big dinner. 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: And especially you know, given divisive times, we know it 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: can be difficult if people give Thanksgiving maybe differ in 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: opinions or politics. So I would posit that maybe just 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: leave politics at home for the Thanksgiving holidays, if at 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 4: all possible. It'll probably be good for your mental health. 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: I will add, Yeah, that's the point one to get to. 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: We can always feel that we are in a situation 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: where you have to hang out with people you don't 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: see them all that often. They've got a big info 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: download on stuff that's been going on with them. They 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: want to hear from you, So make sure there's some 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: give and takee be curious. As Ted Lasso said, ask 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: them about themselves, you know what I mean. That is 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: the key to a good conversation. We also have an 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: episode from back in the day about how to talk 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: with your relatives over the holidays. 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: We sure do. I completely forgot about that one. That 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: is a good resource. I haven't listened to it in 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: a minute, but I'm sure we were very smart with 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: all the things we said. 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 3: We definitely had our hearts in the right place, and 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: so do all our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: from Wonko the saying, following up on a conversation we 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: had over a number of years, but in previous Strange 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: News segment as well. We're gonna hear from multiple platforms. 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: We'll see how many letters from home we get to. 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: There were a lot. But before we do any of that, 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: we want to return to you yet again with a 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: follow up on our episode regarding abuse in the Amish community. 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we sure do, and we will get to that 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: letter after a quick brief word from our sponsor, and 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: we've returned and Ben, you're absolutely right. We had a 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 4: pretty big outpouring of response to the episode on abuse 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: in the Amish community. A lot of them from folks 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: that live in and around parts of the country where 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 4: there are significant, you know, Amish populations. And that is 54 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: the case from Don Vee, who wrote into us with 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 4: a very respectful and kind maybe a clarification, not even 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: a correction. I'll just get right to it, gentlemen. I 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: just got done listening to your episode on the horrific 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: crimes within the Amish community, and I wanted to thank 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 4: you on a fantastic job covering a little known and 60 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: quite taboo subject. Thank you very much. I am a 61 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: builder and welder out here in northeast slash Central Pennsylvania, 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: and while I myself am not Amish, there are numerous 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 4: intersecting communities surrounding me, and I deal with them several 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: times a week. I get my lumber from an Amish sawmill. 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: I buy my welding gas from an Amish supplier. The 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: steelyard I go to is Amish owned and run. You 67 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: get the idea. The one thing that I think you 68 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: got slightly wrong is a little quip stuck in a 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 4: line towards the beginning of the show where it was 70 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: mentioned that they eschee the trappings of the outside world, 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: including money, and that's where you're a bit off, and 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: I don't, don Vie. I don't recall exactly who said that, 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: sounds like something I might have said, but really really 74 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: appreciate the perspective here. So don Vi goes on. The 75 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: Amish not only don't regard money as evil, they are 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 4: some of the most hardcore capitalists down to their marrow. 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: Many of them will do just about anything for money. 78 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: The vast majority of puppy mills being run in Pennsylvania 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: are Amish, including ones that have been busted for breeding 80 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: and grooming dogs used in dogfighting rings. There is more 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: than one account of Amish barns going up in flames 82 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: because of an exploding meth lab within. We did talk 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: on the episode about meth production within the Amish community. 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: A little bit near the end. What most people would 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: be surprised to learn is the vast majority of Amish 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 4: men retire millionaires. They buy up enormous swaths of land, 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: including almost entire towns, where they then move others and 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: from other far away communities so they can vote and 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: install local politicians of their choosing before moving on to 90 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: another town to do the same. They are extremely shrewd 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 4: businessmen who hold a shocking amount of wealth, health, and 92 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: political juice in rural areas. Hope this clears up a 93 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: few misconceptions about this often misunderstood community. I do have 94 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: some hilarious stories of cultural divides in my years of 95 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: dealing with these folks. Should you ever get bored and 96 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: want a good laugh, take care, guys, thanks for being realists. 97 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 4: Don v as very sweet and incredibly informative. I did 98 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 4: not know about any of that stuff, and that is 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: the kind of thing that really would be hard to know. 100 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: And this is kind of probably some of the stuff 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: they don't want you to know unless you are like 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: Don and doing actual business with them or living in 103 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 4: and around those communities. 104 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: And Don, thank you for taking the time to first 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: check out our show, and thank you for writing in 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: with firsthand experience, which we always love. We also want 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: to give a shout out to some other folks, including 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: the Brockness Monster who wrote in regarding the puppy mill 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: phenomena that you pointed out there. Don It is fascinating 110 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: because we're looking at the interaction between a in group 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: and a out group. The plane or the English or 112 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: however the non Amish may be referred to, still do business. 113 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: They still live in a larger community. You know, you 114 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 3: can buy Amish furniture online. A lot of people in 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: Amish communities do have checking accounts, right, do have credit cards, 116 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: do use US currency here in the United States to 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: interact with the secular world. So it makes sense, no sense, 118 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: it makes dollars and sense. We should say that there 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: will be people in those communities who are able to 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: reach financial success. 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: Think about how much money the average person, let's say 122 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: middle Yes, I know, I buy. 123 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: All the time. 124 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: I am super bullish, make. 125 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: Their own cowpoop from all the cap and with you immediately, Matt, please, 126 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry to interrupt. You's got excited. 127 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: No, no, I just I just think about recurring expenses 128 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: that you know now there are companies making millions and 129 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: millions of dollars and all they do is point out 130 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: your recurring payments on your credit card that you forgot about, 131 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: you know, like reread ads for companies that do that, 132 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: and just you know, I think about the stuff that's 133 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: in my house right now, that's all Like my hobbies 134 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: are something to do with electronics or gaming or movies, 135 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: and it's just it added up. Yeah, if you if 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: I personally could eliminate that stuff from my life, yeah, 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: my goodness, I would be a much wealthier man. 138 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. We also that brings up 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: a related point, which is that oftentimes people spend their 140 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: income or their largess on uh on status symbols right 141 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: within their community. And so the status symbols perhaps the 142 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: folks in the Amish community may differ from those in 143 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: the surrounding set secular communities. Like if you're not going 144 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: to suffer the death of a thousand streaming cuts out 145 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: of your income every month, where does your money go? Look, 146 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: just because someone has a different socio religious ideology or 147 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: lens through which they interact with the world, that never 148 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: makes them stupid. That just means they have different priorities 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: from you know, someone else. So there's nothing stopping people 150 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: from investing in property. Right to your point, don to 151 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: maybe farm implements horses, both of which can be very 152 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: expensive and very lucrative and very lucrative. That's a great 153 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: point now, and maybe even depending on because these communities 154 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: are not monolithic, right, some are more permissive in how 155 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: the secular community interacts. So maybe there are some folks 156 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: who made made a bank off stocks and mutual funds. 157 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: Sure, but they're likely You're not going to see anybody 158 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 4: rolling around in a maserati in an imp community maybe. 159 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: Whatever, like the Maserati version of a horse. 160 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 4: The horse, Yeah, but that would just be for function, 161 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: just to have one that would last a long time, 162 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: you know, to have one that was well built. You'd 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: be investing in the right things. And I think there's 164 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: some lessons we could learn from the homage to your point, Matt, 165 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: about how to like live a little more frugally and ultimately, 166 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: you know, be more fruitful in the long term. 167 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: I'm seeing two things here, guys. The first one is 168 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: that if my hobbies weren't going around getting souls in 169 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: a dark soul's game or whatever, and I'm you know, 170 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: and playing drums and all that these other things that 171 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: are more entertainment. 172 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 4: Hobbies for me. 173 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: I could see and if I didn't leave my like 174 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: local area very often, I could totally see myself getting 175 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: into like, well, there is some land over there, and 176 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: I could save enough money for that, and I wonder 177 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: if I could use that land for something. Oh hey, 178 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: maybe I need to get in with the local commissioners. 179 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we should actually work on local election and start 180 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: doing that stuff. And the second thing I see here 181 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: is we're talking raw materials for construction that are being 182 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: pointed out here right steal lumber and welding gas. Yes, 183 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: those are crazy lucrative because any of these other companies 184 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: that want to come through and build things can get 185 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: their supplies from you. It's brilliant. 186 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: I think so too. Oh Man, thank you so much, 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 4: don Vie for that perspective. I think it's something that 188 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: really clicked with all three of us. So I know, Ben, 189 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 4: Did you have anything else to have before we go 190 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: to a little quick break. 191 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: If you are a member, a current or former of 192 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: an Amish community or some related belief system, we would 193 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: love to hear from you directly. We will tell you 194 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: how to get to us online or through any other 195 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: method of communication. At the end of tonight's listener mail segment, 196 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: please stay tuned and again, as you said, Noel, thank 197 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: you so much to don Vie, and thank you to 198 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: everybody who wrote in or otherwise contacted us regarding these experiences. Also, 199 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: if you're one of the folks from the Mennonite community 200 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: I used to mess with in Guatemala, I hope you 201 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: guys are okay. I hope the bakery is still open. 202 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: That place was awesome, lovely Mennonite community in my hometown 203 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: of Augusta, Georgia, and a great bakery, absolutely wonderful little 204 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: ham roll things. Well, let's see a quick pause for 205 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: the cause that keeps the lights on here, and we'll 206 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: come back with another message from you. 207 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, we've got a doozy, and by doozy, 208 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean a very deep topic that I don't think 209 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: we're going to be able to handle in this fifteen minutes. 210 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: So let's imagine perhaps making a full episode on this 211 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: specific topic, because it goes deep and there's a twist 212 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: in here that we're going to get too that I 213 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: think is the reason for a lot of the forward 214 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: facing response to what we're going to talk about. So 215 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: with all that said, let's listen to a message we 216 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: received from Wonko Hi. 217 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 5: This is Wonko, the same longtime listener, first time ever 218 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: calling her right into you guys, and you guys were 219 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 5: talking about the ban of Chinese software and hardware, and 220 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 5: I just wanted to point out that China has already 221 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: managed to infiltrate our pipeline. If you look up, I 222 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: believe it was Wired who had a fantastic episode about it. 223 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: A little micro chip smaller than the size of the 224 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 5: tip of a pencil that was basically able to take 225 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 5: complete control of massive numbers of servers. We're talking governments, 226 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 5: we're talking Apple, we're talking Microsoft. They had this tiny 227 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 5: little chip on all of these main boards that essentially 228 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 5: allowed them to duplicate and copy any data they wanted. 229 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 5: They could take control at any time. So as far 230 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: as Chinese made software and hardware, you never know when 231 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: the next attack is going to come through. And they 232 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 5: were listening in on embassies, they were listening in on 233 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: virtually every aspect of tech. They had their fingers in 234 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 5: there pretty deep. So as far as the ban is concerned, 235 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 5: long before the ban on Chinese hardware or software really 236 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 5: comes into play. We need to reevaluate our pipelines as 237 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 5: far as where our hardware comes from and actually start 238 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 5: to build things in country. Anyways, just my two thoughts 239 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 5: on the band and potential ban anyways, and how little 240 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 5: a band would have effect if we ignore our pipelines. Anyways, 241 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 5: you guys have great episodes. Hope you have a good one. 242 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you. 243 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: Wonka wait a minute, so yes, thank you. So that 244 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: chip is this is like industrial espionage or this is 245 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: like part of existing hardware and people, and it is known, 246 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: it goes, it goes happened. 247 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes deep, and it goes back in time 248 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen. So at least that's when we found 249 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: out about it because Bloomberg started talking about it. And 250 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: this is important. The publication, the outfit Bloomberg, they did 251 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: their own investigation and then it created a bunch of 252 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: other writing about this investigation. You can go directly to 253 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg source if you want to. We'll go ahead 254 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: and tell you that so you can learn about this 255 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: as well. You will have to I think subscribe or 256 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: get one of those things, you know, sign up for 257 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: whatever to read the article. It is titled The Big 258 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: Hack How China used a tiny chip to infiltrate US companies. 259 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: It was written by Jordan Robertson and Michael Riley on 260 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: October fourth, twenty eighteen. It's a huge piece, a big 261 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: old feature. And then what we're going to do just 262 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: because it's what was mentioned by Wonko the Saine there 263 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: and yes, thank you so much for this Wonko. We're 264 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: going to go to Wired because they then wrote about 265 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: it on October fourth, Lily Hey Newman wrote about it, 266 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: so we're going to jump to that article in the 267 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: same year, right, same year, Yeah, same time. So, like 268 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: I said, Bloomberg starts the waterfall and then Wired catches it. 269 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: So that's where we're going right now. Wired's article is 270 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: titled There's no good fix if the supply chain gets hacked, 271 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: And I'm just going to read a little bit from 272 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: this to answer your questional because I guess we can 273 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: just say at the top before we get into it. 274 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: This tiny little microchip that Wonko is describing is an 275 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: extra microchip, like an extra CPU type situation that is 276 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: applied to a motherboard. I think we're all familiar with 277 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: what a motherboard is. It's the larger piece of silicon 278 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: that has a bunch of the components. 279 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: Printed circuit kind of situation. 280 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: It's a printed circuit that components get plugged into, right, 281 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: and then that operates your computer or your server, right. 282 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: And you would have a bunch of these in a 283 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: huge array if you're talking about somebody like Apple or 284 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: Microsoft as Wanko mentioned, or Amazon. So here we go. 285 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: These are Lily's words. A major report from Bloomberg describes 286 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: an infiltration of the hardware supply chain allegedly orchestrated by 287 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: the Chinese military that reaches an unprecedented geopolitical scope and 288 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,239 Speaker 2: scale and may be a manifestation of the tech industry's 289 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: worst fears. If the details are correct. That's important because 290 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: it's if Bloomberg's investigation is correct, it could be a 291 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: nearly impossible mess to clean up. So let's just get 292 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: into this. The chips that we're talking about here are 293 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: from a US based company called super micro Computer Inc. 294 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: Also known as super Micro. This is a San Jose 295 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: based company. The reason why we're talking about you heard 296 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: me say it's a US based company, right, But. 297 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: The assemble things from other places into end user products exactly. 298 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: So again, just use the Boeing example because in my mind, 299 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: it's the easiest thing in my mind to see, like 300 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: the parts of a plane that get manufactured a bunch 301 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: of places then come together at one place and become 302 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: an airplane. 303 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: Same thing, or like that middleman company involved in the 304 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 4: exploding pagers story. 305 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah right, but more like for another thing that 306 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: will be familiar to people, the way that an article 307 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: of clothing can say made in the USA. Yes, if 308 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: the origin materials are not indeed from the United States. 309 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: And made with slave or child labor. Whoo uh okay, 310 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: so here we go. This is back to Lily's words. 311 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: Cybersecurity experts often describe supply chain attacks as worst case 312 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: scenarios because they taint products or services at the time 313 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: of their creation. The Bloomberg report raises a much more 314 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: alarming specter that Chinese government actors compromised for so ubcontractors 315 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: of that super micro Computer Inc. To hide these tiny 316 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: microchips on super micro boards, so the official boards that 317 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: super Micro is putting out, and those things are crazy 318 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: popular guys with the big companies and with small companies 319 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: and medium companies. They are just one of the big players. 320 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: If you imagine going out to buy a new phone 321 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: right now. In your mind, you're probably thinking an Apple phone, 322 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: a Samsung phone, a Google phone. Right those are like 323 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: the three, and then there's a bunch of other stuff 324 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: you could go to microcenter to get or order online. 325 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: Super Micro is one of these companies if you're buying 326 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: server arrays. Yes, these chips, according to Bloomberg, offered a 327 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: fundamental backdoor into the devices they were hidden in, ultimately 328 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: helping the Chinese government access the networks of more than 329 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: thirty US companies, including Apple and Amazon, and they could 330 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: use them to gather intelligence on plans, communications, and intellectual property. 331 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: Here's why why the Bloomberg investigation is a bit called 332 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: into question here. As soon as this came out, right 333 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: as soon as this news hit, and even before because 334 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: these big companies like Apple and Amazon were reached out 335 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: to before publication. Those big companies refuted this report completely. 336 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: They said, no, this is not true, This did not happen. 337 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: They have never found any evidence that anything like this 338 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: has ever occurred. There's no attack on our infrastructure. Everything's good, 339 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: we're good. There are no malicious ships. Here's a quote. 340 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: Apple has never found malicious chips. Hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities 341 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: purposefully planted in any server. Cool, okay, sure, So then 342 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: of course it's on the journalists. They're at Bloomberg, and 343 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: for them they either have to say, hey, that's our bad, 344 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: we'll retract parts of our report or something like that. 345 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: That is not what they did. Those journalists said, no, 346 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: we've done our due diligence, We've verified everything before we 347 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: publish the story. We know it happened and it's true. 348 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: And the companies were like, no, it's not. And then 349 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: it just becomes Okay, who do you believe the investigative 350 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: journalists and like private investigators and people who are actually 351 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: you know, getting quotes from individuals from within some of 352 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: the operations, and. 353 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: The independent white hats who also confirmed it. 354 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: Yes, or do you listen to the big corporation that 355 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: has a lot to lose if like, think about what 356 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: we're talking about here, Apple servers, Amazon servers, just those 357 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: two companies, right, What does Amazon own Amazon Web services? 358 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: What types of information do they run through their servers? 359 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: All of it, all of the things. 360 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: Most of it, I mean same with Apple, right, and 361 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: with personal information that you back up in the cloud. 362 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: Massive deal. But Guys, here's where it gets crazy, and 363 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: this is where I think we end the segment because 364 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: this is what we need to explore in full. A 365 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: couple of years later, after all of this was reported, 366 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: more information came out and it got weirder. Guys, it 367 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: got weirder. 368 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 3: Can I talk about, well, we'll hold it for an episode. 369 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: We can hold it for an episode, Okay, but let's 370 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: say this. More details came out in like twenty twenty one. 371 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: But I think their wrinkle and why this is such 372 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: a massive deal is because one of the journalists who 373 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: wrote this article went on All Things Considered, It's an 374 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: NPR show on the day basically on October fourth, when 375 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: all of this is coming out, and he made the 376 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: statement which is also included in the Bloomberg article. But 377 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: he made the statement that the chip was also found 378 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: in servers of the Pentagon and the CIA, which would 379 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: might be a problem. I don't know, maybe. 380 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Ed just last month the FBI got that court order through. Yes, yeah, okay, spoilers. 381 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: Folks, dude, there's stuff that we got to dig in. 382 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, Wonko the same, thank you again. Yeah, this is 383 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: an episode we should go ahead and do it because 384 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: it's just going to get stranger the longer we hold 385 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 3: off on it. 386 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: Agreed, Wonco, You're the best. We will be right back 387 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: with more messages from you. 388 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: And we have returned with just some letters from home. 389 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 5: No. 390 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: I mentioned in a previous program we would share stories 391 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: of some fellow conspiracy realist in the education space. We 392 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: are going to share those in the future. And speaking 393 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: of hardware and software and the interaction with the human mind, 394 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 3: we have a quick letter from home from our pal Flounder. Flounder, 395 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: thank you so much for calling, and also Matt, thank 396 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: you for hurting the voicemails. 397 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 4: Here we go. 398 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: Quick reaction to a statement I made earlier asking why 399 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: there isn't more positive social media. 400 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 6: Gentlemen, good morning. Your most recent episode, you made the 401 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 6: comment that how come we do not have a positive 402 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 6: social media? I think the problem is the word social. 403 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 6: Problem is us people are what makes it bad, not 404 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 6: the technology. The call is coming from inside the house. 405 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 6: You can call me flounder a pH. 406 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: Oh, flounder. You told us how to spell it bird 407 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: the persona the handle is compromised. But also that is 408 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: a pretty good point, is it not. I think that 409 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: we use that as you know, I said that was 410 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: kind of a throwaway thing. In the conversation. We didn't 411 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: talk too much about it, but we did hit on 412 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: the idea, right, Like, it seems that the we're in 413 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: a chicken and egg situation. Is the algorithm pushing you 414 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: toward things arguable or is the algorithm showing you things that, uh, 415 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: just exacerbate your natural inclinations. What do you guys think? 416 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the things that we become fascinated by, the 417 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: things that are pleasurable to view the thing. Yeah, it's 418 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: it's all of those things that No, it is us. 419 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I keep thinking just that idea. 420 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: It's a pickle, isn't it. 421 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: It's it's so many pickles dancing around. 422 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: My algorithm is just pickles. It's pickles and this one 423 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: armed monkey from China, and it's yes, thank you for 424 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: bringing that up. You were perfect on it. That's great. 425 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: Everybody look up, jan. 426 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: Have you seen that one about the pickle ice cream? No, 427 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 4: thank you, sir, No, thank you. 428 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: Oh, but of it is kind of salty. 429 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, what about the pickle juice and doctor pepper? That's 430 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: a big online turn. I'm sorry, we're not talking about 431 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: actual pickle stuff. 432 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: Dude, pickle juice ever since Hannibal I flick pickle juice on. 433 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get up there. We're talking about Hannibal Burris, 434 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: the legendary regiment, the late great doctor hanniballect Handle Elector 435 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: would also vibe with that if you told them, hey, man, 436 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: before you kill me, quick pro tip on the sandwiches, 437 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: fling a little pickle juice on the innards when you 438 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: eat them, And hannih will be like, thank. 439 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: You, yeah man, breditwards do I seriously, I've got I 440 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: buy those devil spit pickles that you can find at 441 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: your local pickle dealer, and they are so hot and 442 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: delicious and you can use that juice on anything. 443 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 3: And I would say further that algorithms, while they may 444 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: while they may just exacerbate natural tendencies of the participant, 445 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: there are definite moves on social media platforms to push 446 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 3: you toward certain beliefs. And it's very difficult to be 447 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: cognizant of those pushes because they're they're pretty subtle. For 448 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: anybody who was still messing around with Facebook in this 449 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: evening and age, you'll notice that the bulk of your 450 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: feed has now become advertisements. I don't know why I'm 451 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: saying that, Like, I don't speak English. Listen to you 452 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: pickle dunce. So they've been sending that around. Also, AI 453 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: posts are proliferating, and often they are meant to learn 454 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: more about you and steer you toward certain decisions, which 455 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: is why, for instance, if you go to Twitter, oh 456 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: I didn't tell you. Guys almost texted you. It wasn't 457 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: important enough. 458 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: Did you know? 459 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: There's a war on Wikipedia right now on the Twitter 460 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: page about how Wikipedia has decided they're not going to 461 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 3: call it X. 462 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: What Okay, they're gonna die on that hill huh if. 463 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the hill they chose out of all the 464 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: other stuff. Forget the Middle East. They're fighting about Twitter. 465 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: If you go to the talk tab on the Twitter 466 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: entry for Wikipedia, you'll see that it's a bunch of 467 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: people trying to update it to X, and then a 468 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: bunch of other people saying, nah, a player. 469 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 2: That's really funny, that's really. 470 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, they're slapping it down. We are going to keep 471 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 3: it brief here, as many of our fellow American conspiracy 472 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 3: realists may well understand, We've got a lot of stuff 473 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: going on right now. We've got many things to do, 474 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: but we did want to do something I thought all 475 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: five of us would enjoy Tennessee, and Noel and Matt 476 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: and yours truly and you listening at home. What if 477 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 3: we give somebody a little bit of travel advice? Does 478 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: that a jolly good Yeah? Yeah? 479 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: Can I give some travel advice? That my son and 480 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: I are obsessed with this travel Instagram account and it's 481 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: just it's getting the social media thing in and it 482 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: is travel. It's called unlikely Gems. Have you guys ever 483 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: seen this? 484 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: Heard of? 485 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: But I don't think I followed that one. It less 486 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: as Jingjing, the one armed monkey on it. 487 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: No, it does not, it does not. 488 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: I'm missing out, all right, but it sounds it's I 489 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: feel like I have seen this, but I don't know 490 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: much about it. 491 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: Well, check it out specifically on Instagram. That's where I 492 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: saw it. At least it's called unlikely Gems. I do 493 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: not know the name of this human being that is 494 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: one of my it's one of my favorite human beings 495 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: in the world right now. It's like a reporter doing 496 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: the field, but with a very specific cadence, and he 497 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: does things like this and says that, and he just 498 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: points he goes to these places across California and points 499 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: out like a small rock that happens to be in 500 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: a very specific place or a stop sign. Uh, and 501 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: it is delightful. I cannot do it justice here, but 502 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: I just found out it's a part of the upstate 503 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: California Creative Core, Like it's a grant program for California's tourism. 504 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: Stuff like that. Well that's smart. That doesn't make it 505 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: necessarily bad nor sinister. 506 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh dang, okay, I don't think so. It just head 507 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: over to Modoc County. That's all I know. 508 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: All right, could you spell it for us? M O 509 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: doc there we go, not to be confused with the 510 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: absolute legend from Marvel Comics. Right, So, our our letter 511 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: from home here going back to you, our listener, We're 512 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: just gonna call you DuPont Dave. You wrote to us 513 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: earlier this weekend and you said, hey, longtime listener, first 514 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: time emailing or even contacting you all. Later this month, 515 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: I'm planning a trip to Washington, d C. I was 516 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: wondering if you all have any suggestions to go to restaurants, bars, attractions. 517 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: I'm planning on going to the International Spy Museum and 518 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: one or two Smithsonians also museums in the area. If 519 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: you happen to be in DC, regardless of where you're from, 520 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: you're gonna dig the Aerospace Museum. Promise anyway, DuPont Dave says, 521 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: was hoping you all know any more fun or even 522 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: educational spots. And I thought this would be an opportunity 523 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 3: for us to really let the rubber hit throad. When 524 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: we say listener mails focus on our fellow conspiracy realist. 525 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 4: We know d C. 526 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: We've all been to d C right, never lived there, 527 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: but we visited. 528 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 4: I haven't been a ton and I've said it before, 529 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: I've never been to any of the Smithsonians, So I 530 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 4: really I'm right there with you asking for Rex. I 531 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: haven't experienced a ton of DC at all. Dude. 532 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: What you need to do right now is reserve a 533 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: Pentagon tour because they offer them. You can get them, 534 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: and you can tour the Pentagon. 535 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: Yes, and you may. I love that, Matt. You may 536 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: have just enough time to do so. Also, you have 537 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: to report back. Okay, this is a covenant. DuPont Dave. 538 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: By hearing this, you have just shaken some hands, right. 539 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: So to Matt's point, further on Matt's point, there's a 540 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: place called DuPont Underground. It's an abandoned train station. It 541 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 3: used to be pretty difficult to get inside. You would 542 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: have to just know the right people to go to 543 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: this abandoned trolley station low DuPont Circle. But now it's 544 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: a pretty cool art exhibit spot. Like, now you can 545 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: walk through this abandoned area and you can you're almost 546 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: guaranteed to see some amazing art. 547 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: Dude, Hey, guys, can you guess the date the not 548 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: the year, but the month and day when ground was 549 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: broken on construction of the Pentagon? Just a wild guess 550 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: what month and day? 551 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: Oh Jesus is six six? 552 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: Ground was broken on September eleventh. Oh, No, nineteen forty one. 553 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: I thought you were going for more of like a 554 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: diabolical numerology kind of situation. 555 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: No. 556 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: Forty one is interesting, just a weird coincidence. 557 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 5: That's a little weird. 558 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: I mean it's a one out at three hundred and 559 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: sixty something chance, right, Yeah, but that is a big 560 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: It's a lot different from guessing someone's zodiac si. You 561 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: know what I mean. We still haven't done an astrology episode. 562 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: Let us know if that feels like it bags your badgers. 563 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 3: We also want to recommend for you DuPont Dave. We 564 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: want to recommend things like, well, it depends on what 565 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: you go what you go for, and how you're feeling. 566 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: If you want something peaceful, there's really kick ass Bonzai Museum, 567 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: the National Bonzeye Museum. One of the I think one 568 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: of the oldest trees there, if it's still alive, dates 569 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: back to the seventeenth century, early seventeenth century. I still 570 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 3: have no idea how bonds I can live that long. 571 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: You guys remember the movie The Exorcist. 572 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, I recall it vaguely. Also the Karate Kid 573 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 4: Part two. There's Bonzie trees in that one. 574 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: That's all Oh, okay, yeah, okay, I'm back, We're We're back. 575 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: The Exorcist the Fame. No spoilers, folks. It is one 576 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 3: of the scariest films. If you recall, there is a 577 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: pivotal moment where a protagonist encounters some stairs. Those stairs 578 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: are in Washington, DC. You can see them. It is 579 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: an historic landmark. I feel like you have to very 580 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: much care about The Exorcist to go out of your 581 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: way to look at some stairs. 582 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a pop culture stair tourist. You know, 583 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: I've been to the ones in Philly, that rocky exercise. 584 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: I have seen them. But I think that could be fun. 585 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 4: Someone should put together a list of historical and or 586 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 4: pop culturally important stairs. 587 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: That's a good idea. Yeah, I agree. You can also, 588 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: if you're feeling kind of creepy, you can go to 589 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: a facimile catacomb complex. Yeah yeah, so all right, cast 590 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: your memory back. You're it's the SubTime of the early 591 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds. You're a bunch of Franciscan monks, and you say, 592 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: we need to show people the Holy Land. But a 593 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: lot of folks can't afford to get over the Atlantic 594 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: and visit that area. So if they can't afford the 595 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: trip overseas, what do we do? We make it at home. 596 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 3: We have catacombs at home, I mean yeah, yeah, so 597 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 3: they do have a papal endorsement. They do have a 598 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: very real skeleton in there. It's over at fourteen hundred 599 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: Quincy Street, Northeast. I don't know if it's it's kind 600 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: of a tourist trap, I think, but I like catacolm. 601 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 3: I think catacombs are cool. 602 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 2: They feel like, you know, and while you're in the catacombs, 603 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: do yourself a favor and look for some old currency 604 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: that is no longer functional, because guys, in Washington, d C. 605 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 2: At fourteenth and C Streets you can find the Mutilated 606 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: Currency Division finally, and you can go walk up and say, hey, 607 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: can I check this out? 608 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 3: We also have to recommend they'll probably just be interested 609 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: that you're interested, you. 610 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: Know, exactly exactly. 611 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: We can also recommend look even the stuff that sounds 612 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: I guess very on the map and it's very touristy. 613 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: We promise you a lot of it is amazing. Right, 614 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 3: There's a certain it doesn't matter whether or not you're 615 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: from the US, there's a certain gravitas and grandeur to 616 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: the construction of the city, to the monuments and edifices 617 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: that have been built there. One of the ones that 618 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: I think always interested us were the Freemason the Freemason Complex, 619 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: and of course the Washington Monument, which started out as 620 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 3: something that looked way more understandable and ended up being 621 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 3: an obelisk. 622 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: Dude, I want to ask you, guys, is the is 623 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: this just a fake thing? The idea that the Washington 624 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: Monument was built around an old tree. That's just a 625 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: right the quote quote special tree. 626 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 4: I haven't heard about that. 627 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: I do like the pun of special tea special tree. 628 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 3: But I'm not. I wasn't. I wasn't on scene when 629 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 3: they were building. It's I'm not sure. 630 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's a it's that's good. Well you were around, 631 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: you just weren't there. 632 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 3: I wasn't. 633 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: But I think it's a TikTok thing or you know, 634 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: one of those like creepypasta things, like this idea that 635 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: there's this mythical tree with special powers that the monument 636 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: was built around. 637 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 4: I like that. 638 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do love a Washington legend. We also we 639 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: also recommend that you check out the Washington National Cathedral. 640 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: There is a crypt there that has the marble tomb 641 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: of Woodrow Wilson. Also Helen Keller's ashes are interred in 642 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 3: the area. It's a it's a nice way to encounter history. 643 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: There's so much stuff to do. You cannot throw a 644 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 3: stone or a bouncy ball without hitting something really cool 645 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 3: that you should check out in Washington, d C. I 646 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: almost said Deac because I just remembered you guys, the 647 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 3: DEA has a small museum in their lobby and one 648 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: of the weirdest things they have is their exhibit of bongs. 649 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 4: What cool? Tell me more? 650 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 3: Right right now? 651 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 4: I got you back in Yeah, man, you're talking about 652 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 4: stairs right. 653 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 3: They have a I think it's back open out closed 654 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 3: temporarily in twenty nineteen, but years of past. So if 655 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: you're cool and you're comfortable visiting the DEA, you could 656 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 3: check out their museum. As a matter of fact, a 657 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 3: lot of those agencies in DC and in Virginia have 658 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 3: little like at home museums. 659 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 2: You can visit, dude, And when you get a little 660 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: a little hungry and you want to slice a pizza, 661 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: maybe we recommend comet ping pong. 662 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 4: That's funny, Matt, check out the basement. 663 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: Sorry, we're joking. Sorry, but it is on Connecticut Avenue though. 664 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 3: And we do hope that you report back. Furthermore, we 665 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 3: hope that any of our fellow conspiracy realists residing in 666 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 3: the area have their own recommendations, so please send them 667 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 3: to us. Is what are the hidden parts of DC 668 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 3: Caveat that a normal person can visit without getting in trouble. 669 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 3: We would love to hear more. We know it's a 670 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 3: very interesting time to visit the nation's capital. It's just true. 671 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: But there's amazing history here and you will not regret 672 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 3: checking out any of the weird things. We just recommend it, 673 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 3: So tell us your thoughts. Thank you to everybody who 674 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 3: wrote in. 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