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Speaker 1: Attack of the Nazi Des Squads. Cool, It's it's a

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Speaker 1: And Lee Shapiro's death is literally the only thing that

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Speaker 1: stops the USA from just making another propaganda film and

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Speaker 1: having it aired on BBC PBS. Now, lest you think

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Speaker 1: we're done with the desk Squads, USA is behind the

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Speaker 1: bastards promise we make can ever at the Death Squad

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Speaker 1: there's so many so so Yeah. The USA also a

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Speaker 1: propaganda media tour for Rio's Monster Kadership at Guatemala. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: Carlos Rios Mont. Yeah, Rios Mont is most notable for

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Speaker 1: like successfully doing a bunch of genocides. I guess indigenous

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Speaker 1: population to Guatemal definitely didn't there. There are entire peoples

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Speaker 1: who are just gone. They killed every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: They are languages that don't exist anymore. There are towns

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Speaker 1: that still won't let the military back into this day

436
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Speaker 1: because of the genocide. Yeah, I mean, like like there

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Speaker 1: are it's horrifying. Like there's one of one of my friends,

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Speaker 1: uh didn't didn't like it was an anthropologist who worked

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Speaker 1: with a community who they so they managed to everyone

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Speaker 1: else around them had been killed the genocide. They managed

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Speaker 1: to survive and they're the last people on earthho speak

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Speaker 1: their language and they survived by just running on foot

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Speaker 1: through the jungle and they made it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they they they they like you know, they live in

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Speaker 1: this horrible slum and they can't speak Spanish and they're

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Speaker 1: the last people left of you know, their their their

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Speaker 1: entire people who have been around for thousands of years.

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Speaker 1: Because killed all of them. And it's it's horrifying. Yeah,

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00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bad. And moons, moons doing propaganda tours

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Speaker 1: for their for their des squads and also funding them.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, are you really a right wing

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Speaker 1: ship head? Though? If you're not backing Rio's mont, like,

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Speaker 1: are are you actually do you deserve to even call

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Speaker 1: yourself like a violent right wing extremist if you're not

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Speaker 1: back in that guy? I will say, like, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of right wingers who like back riot like rhetorically,

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00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: but like the Moon Moon puts his money where his

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Speaker 1: mouth is, like you can you you can never not

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Speaker 1: say that like when when? When? When? When there was

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Speaker 1: a fight against communism and when they were babies to

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Speaker 1: be killed? Like no one on earth can say that

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00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Reverend Moon did not did not do his parts in

463
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Speaker 1: murdering those babies. He made sure there's not as many babies.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, every time you don't spend an

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Speaker 1: extra five ten minutes in traffic, thank you, Reverend Moond,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making there be less people who are

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Speaker 1: alive to drive cars and stop me from getting to

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Speaker 1: the sparrow. You know what else is makes there be

469
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Speaker 1: less people alive to drive cars? Products and services that

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Speaker 1: support this podcast, Oh oh yeah, the highways. Yeah, Washington

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Speaker 1: State Patrol and coke industries. And for sure, I mean

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Speaker 1: with their island where people hunt children, they really go

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Speaker 1: out of their way to decrease the surplus population. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's ads, We're back, Chris, please go ahead. So Moon

475
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Speaker 1: also has like another front group that he uses that

476
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Speaker 1: does basically the same thing as c I USA, but

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Speaker 1: like it just does media tours um and they they

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Speaker 1: run these like quote unquote fact finding trips uh that

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Speaker 1: included interviews with the leaders of Namo and Mozambique, Udida

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Speaker 1: and Angola, Swappo and the Namibia and Solidarity in Poland.

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Speaker 1: Now those of you who know your Cold War will

482
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Speaker 1: realize that Unita means Jonasavimbi not sees is the Maniford

483
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Speaker 1: episode in the Dawn of Time is back on the

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Speaker 1: pot and yeah, yeah, man from fucking Guatemalada. Angla's incredibly

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Speaker 1: he's really hitting all of the hits of like right

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Speaker 1: wing fuccory in in this period of time. He's he's

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Speaker 1: he's doing a whole fucking Bengus. It's really very impressive.

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Speaker 1: It's very impressive, I will say. So, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if any evidence that he directly funded either Solidarity in

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Speaker 1: Poland or swappo in in uh in Abia, but through

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Speaker 1: through a web that is like elaborate even by Moon standards.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna explain the whole thing because it's

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Speaker 1: it's I I turned into the like I turned into

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Speaker 1: the pinboards meme, like conspiracy meme, trying to like track

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Speaker 1: all of the funding sources down. But he does seem

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Speaker 1: to have funded both Namo and Savimbi just like directly.

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Speaker 1: So that's fun. And to to finish off the desquad

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Speaker 1: gantlet we need to talk Cambodia. Oh boy, man that

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Speaker 1: that is honestly not maybe not one of the death

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Speaker 1: squads I necessarily expected to see him getting involved with.

501
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Speaker 1: So throughout the late nineteen seventies, Pulpots troops were busy

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Speaker 1: making like a series of the worst military decisions in

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Speaker 1: human history. Uh, they decided that they were going to

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Speaker 1: launch a bunch of cross border raids against Vietnam, and

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Speaker 1: just like massacre a bunch of Vietnamese civilians, now the

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Speaker 1: Vietnamese army. By by by time of nine seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: they have beaten back to back at the French, the Japanese,

508
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Speaker 1: the French again, the US and in one year their

509
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Speaker 1: B team is about to go blow for blow at China.

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Speaker 1: In the conventional war, Pulpos Army does not have a

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Speaker 1: centralized commanding control structure. So Pulpos Army looks at this

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Speaker 1: and goes, no, no, no, We're going to be the

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Speaker 1: ones who succeeded where every single other empire on Earth

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Speaker 1: has failed. And they start this war with Vietnam. And

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Speaker 1: Vietnam invades nineteen seventy nine and they just blow the

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Speaker 1: Cambodian army to pieces um. But they they do a

517
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Speaker 1: thing I think everyone who lives in the US knows well,

518
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Speaker 1: which is they get stuck in a nation building quagmire,

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00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: which you know, well, you know it happens to everybody.

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00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: It's like throwing your back out, you know, everybody at

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Speaker 1: some point. You know, if you're if you're funding death squad,

522
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Speaker 1: you're gonna wind up locked in a quagmire of a war.

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Speaker 1: You know. You know. I will say I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: around it. I will say this for Vietnam, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if if there's one government ever that it was like,

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Speaker 1: this is a good idea to go in and knock

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Speaker 1: them off, it's pullpot like oh for sure, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: you know, but but this becomes a problem with them

529
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Speaker 1: because you know, they're trying to set up a state

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't look Vietnam. Vietnam proves that there's something

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Speaker 1: about being a state that makes you want to get

532
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Speaker 1: involved in another state ship and start a quagmuyer you know,

533
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Speaker 1: not that Like again, like you said, somebody needed to

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Speaker 1: do something. It is just funny to see Vietnam go

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Speaker 1: do a Vietnam on cambody out. I don't know, there's

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Speaker 1: no lesson there, because the lesson certainly isn't let guys

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Speaker 1: like Pulpot don't think pays don't please don't take This

538
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Speaker 1: is me saying, ha ha, what fools the Vietnamese where Yeah,

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00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: but it's just like I will say that this is

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Speaker 1: the lesson from this is that if you're going to

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Speaker 1: go invade a country and knock off pull Po, you

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: actually have to kill Paul Pot put like that would

543
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Speaker 1: say killing and something in general, some people should have

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Speaker 1: done this. This is a problem because you know, the

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Speaker 1: other thing happens is that a bunch of camer nationalist

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Speaker 1: groups pop up um and one of these is called

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Speaker 1: the camer People's National Liberation Front. Now Moon does propaganda

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Speaker 1: for and direct support to the Camere People's National Liberation Front.

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Speaker 1: Now there's one problem now, and he's doing this because

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Speaker 1: you know, this is an anti Vietnam group, right, But

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Speaker 1: there's one problem with the Cammere People's National Liberation Group

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: as as as an anti communist group, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: other than the massacres, which they don't care about. The

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00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: problem is that the camer Pop's National Liberation Front is

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Speaker 1: part of the coalition government to Democratic Kampuccia. Now, Moon

556
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: is is pushing for the coalition government at Democratic He's

557
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: like they're they're trying to get there, trying to maintain

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Speaker 1: their seat at the Cambodius of the u n H.

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00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: The problem with them is that the most powerful member

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Speaker 1: of this coalition is pull pot. So Moon he is

561
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: directly funding well, as I started, is indirectly directly running

562
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: propagandi form, indirectly funding pulpot What a great anti communists

563
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Speaker 1: love to see it. It's yeah, it's it's real bad. Yeah, yeah,

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00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: he's he's funded Pulpot. Now, well, I mean, look, who's

565
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Speaker 1: among us has not given I've never given this, look, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you can't say that because it could happen here is

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00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: sponsored entirely by King Nora Dame Shanoak, who funded pol

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Speaker 1: pots so in a way as we as we sell

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Speaker 1: the former king of Okay, I don't really I lost

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00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: I lost a handle of this. This is when you

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00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: jump in so this is okay, all right, well Chris

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Speaker 1: please continue. So you know, there's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: secular limit that you hit, right, Like there's a certain

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Speaker 1: point in which just the amount of time you have,

575
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the amount of money you have is such that you can't,

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Speaker 1: like you can't fund literally every death squad. That is

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Speaker 1: something I've often mourned in my own life. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you fund the desquad, you can. Yeah. But but but there's

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Speaker 1: a way around this. And the way around this is

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00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: you fund the American government. Well now, so as a taxpayer,

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I do back a lot of death squads. Yeah. So,

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00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: but you know, there, there's there, there's there, there there's

583
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: a political angle that that that lets you increase the

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Speaker 1: bang for your death squad. Buck. Um. So there's a

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Speaker 1: guy named Richard Viguery. I'm butchering his name because he's Italian.

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I also don't respect him. Um. He he is the

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Speaker 1: man who basically created the modern right out of the

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Speaker 1: wreckage of the very Goldwater camp. Um. He's famous for

589
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: taking a list of twelve thousand people who donated more

590
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: than fifty dollars to the campaign in nineteen sixty four

591
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: and using it to create a mailing list. Now, this

592
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: is a revolution in American politics. It allows that's the

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Speaker 1: whole fucking eighties, and he's doing it in the sixties.

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Speaker 1: And this allows him to to to fundraise and mobilized

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00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: activists that an unimaginable scale. Look this, this is this

596
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: is Facebook before Facebook, and they're sending these old people

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00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: letters that say things like babies are being harvested and

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Speaker 1: sold on the black market by planned parenthood clinics and

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Speaker 1: cool it's Twitter. Yah, It's it's literally invented Facebook, and

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Speaker 1: old people react exactly the same way old people react

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00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: now to Facebook. And so VG area is that just

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00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the absolute cutting edge of thee at the cutting edge

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: of the mailing list. He's using computers to like keep

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Speaker 1: track of the mailing lists. Uh, and you know he is.

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Speaker 1: He is building the infrastructure that will make the baking

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Speaker 1: revolution possible. Moon is funding him as early as nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty five through a scam that involves set ing up

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Speaker 1: radio towers to broadcast propaganda to North Korea. Um He

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Speaker 1: also gives Vigieri nine hundred thousand dollars to a fake

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Speaker 1: charity in nineties seven, and then bails him out again

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Speaker 1: in the eighties by buying Vigary's office building for ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars and then putting him in charge of the

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Speaker 1: accounts of the the American Freedom Coalition, which is a

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Speaker 1: mooney group that's invented to like defend all over North Now,

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Speaker 1: while this is happening, mooney point man Gary Jarman was

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Speaker 1: running an organization called The Christian Voice, which was one

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Speaker 1: of the first political organizations to put Vigieris new fundraising

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Speaker 1: system to the test. In nineteen eighty two, they outraised

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Speaker 1: every single other conservative fundraising group. To have to put

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Speaker 1: this into perspective, Jerry Farwell's like new Moral Majority pack

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Speaker 1: raises twenty two thousand dollars in his first year. That

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Speaker 1: same year, the Christian Voice raised four hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: four thousand, seven hundred and twenty two dollars. And these guys,

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Speaker 1: the Christian Voice is terrifyingly powerful. In the nineteen eight election,

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Speaker 1: they target thirty two races and they beat twenty two incumbents.

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Speaker 1: This is how Yeah it's bad. This is you know,

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00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: this is the infrastructure that built a Riggan revolution and

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00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: it is funded by Reverend Moon. Yeah it's bad and

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Speaker 1: and you know, not not content to simply fight at

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Speaker 1: the ballot box. Moon runs anti communist campaigns on college campuses,

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Speaker 1: including a anti communist newsletter, which is actually he has

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Speaker 1: it's like newspaper thing that you know how every like

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Speaker 1: trust skate group and I feel like weird communist group

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Speaker 1: like passes out newspapers on campus. Moon is like, what

635
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: if we did our own but they were anti communists.

636
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: So he has all of his like followers on campus

637
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: like passing out these newspapers, and so you get all

638
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: thesely like all of the cults are like lined up

639
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: next to each other passing. It's a you've talked about,

640
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: but it's just the outstanding amount Like it's just like

641
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: unfathomable amount of money that he funds so much. The

642
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: outreage he's hit. He's the first. He's the only real

643
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: quote leader that I'm aware of that is on that

644
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: l run Hubbard level where they hit this certain point

645
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: early in their career where it's like where did their

646
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: money come where they will they have infinite money. Yeah,

647
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: there's there's no they have. They have as much money

648
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: as they need. They have all of the money they

649
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: could ever spent, like which is a scary thing for

650
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: a cult leader to get to God. It makes me

651
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: miss Allary rage. He didn't fund any death squads. He

652
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: just threw kids off the boats like a row like

653
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Moon is Moon is like like what what if you

654
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: used l run Hoverard for just like pure evil. It's

655
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: tragic to think of ul Roun Hubbard's legacy being used

656
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: for the evil. Yeah, and you know, and I was

657
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: sat like so like part part of how he's funny,

658
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: this is like part of it is just you know

659
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: the colt like the cult is literally a pyramid scheme, right,

660
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: and that he has all of these businesses. He also

661
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: has Sasaka was like literally infinite yakism money from from Japan.

662
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: He's getting k c A money, He's getting money from

663
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: all just like he keeps There's like a couple of

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00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: times where he takes over banks in Uruguay and then

665
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: just like takes all of the money from them and

666
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: then the bank goes under, like he just just like

667
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: multiple times he's all the landing. There's everything that I

668
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: didn't fit in the episode. I think I should talk

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00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: about a little bit, which is that like there's some

670
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: evidence that like in the Night, like the night he

671
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: he got into the drug trade because he starts buying

672
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: all of this land that's like on the kind of

673
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: drill wells, like, oh, yeah, he's the cocaine train, he says,

674
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: he's he'sould be like buying the border crossings that cocaine

675
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: moves through and in like Bolivia, And yeah, it's there's

676
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: no hard evidence of that, but like no one, I means,

677
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: but there's no other reason why you're buying all that land,

678
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: or if you are backing multiple death squads in Latin

679
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: America to the tune of tens of millions of dollars,

680
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I don't. I can't believe you're not

681
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: moving blow Like I refuse to accept that that's possible.

682
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's it's it's one of those

683
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: things that there's so many threads of Moon were like

684
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, some of the threads, like I like I

685
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: pulled on the desk squad thread and I found that

686
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: he was funny, and some of them like there seems

687
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: to be a lot of investigative journalism like still to

688
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: be done on this organization because like the cocaine threat

689
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's it's the people all encompassing. Yeah,

690
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: Like it's it's hard to it's hard to think. It's

691
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: impossible to imagine that. Like people know the bottom of

692
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: this at the moment. Yeah, it's it's it's it's bad.

693
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: So but you know what's not bad, Chris and services

694
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: that that support this podcast. Products and services are always uh,

695
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, Chris, A lot of people say some of

696
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: our products and services back death squads themselves. I don't

697
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think one of the beautiful promises

698
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: that the Raytheon Corporation has for the world is a

699
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: future without death squads because robots can kill those people

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Speaker 1: from the sky. Chris, that's the sky. To pen a

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: bunch of soldiers who are funked up on cocaine and

702
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: math amphetamine, to gun down a bunch of children in

703
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: a village, you just bomb it from the air the drone.

704
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: There's a real risk here, which is we're cutting the

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00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: legs out of the child soldier industry. I know, but

706
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, look, disruption has to come for every industry. Eventually,

707
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: one day you and I will be replaced with a

708
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: robot that perfectly mimics Joe Rogan's voice. Um, and like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, child soldiers are going to be replaced by drones.

710
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: But we can still honor the legacy of the child

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Speaker 1: soldier industry by having little kids pilot those drones because

712
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: they're better at video games. That's true. It's Enders game.

713
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: We've proven it mathematically. Yeah, Ender's game, but entirely targeting

714
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: poor people in the global South. That's the promise of Raytheon.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, here's some other ads. Oh boy, Chris, we

716
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: get a lot of money for those Raytheon mid roles.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we just we just that's that's our that's

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00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: our salary for a while. My man. You want to

719
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: continue on with this, uh, this enlightening story of good times? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So so. The the other thing that Moon's doing on

721
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: college campuses is he's running a network of spies to

722
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: spy on leftist activists and giving the information to conservative groups.

723
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: This is like, this is like this is thing like this,

724
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: this should be like for like any other organization. The

725
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: fact that you're running a network of college campus spies

726
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: to Tom through in a list like twenty things, each

727
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: of which if a guy had done one, that would

728
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: make them a worthy subject of this. This fi network

729
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: has one sentence to my script. Yeah one, it's it's

730
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: it's the second half network, which because you've gotta breeze

731
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: over l Ron Hubbard's summoning the Antichrist with sex magic

732
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: and you get his biography because there's just too much

733
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: going on many so you know so and of one

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Speaker 1: the reason why I'm brushing over this is that um,

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Speaker 1: ininety two moonfounds probably the single most important American institution

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00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: you ever found, The Washington Times. Um here's Bohey Park,

737
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: the Times corporate president, describing why The Times was created. Quote,

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Speaker 1: it is a total war, basically a war of ideas,

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00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: war of mind. The battlefield, this is the battle. This

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00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: is where the battle is fought. Son. In this war,

741
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: the entire thing will be mobilized political means, social means,

742
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: economic means, and propagandistic means and basically trying to take

743
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: over the other person's mind. That is what the Third

744
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: World War is all about. The war of ideology. Oh

745
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: so he's yeah, he's doing a fourth generation war thing. Yeah, yeah,

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00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's he's very much kind of thinking, honestly

747
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Speaker 1: on the same side as william S. Lnd Um. Okay,

748
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Speaker 1: that's Scans. Yeah, now this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.

749
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: He has his paper delivered to his office every single

750
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: morning and he reads Christ in Heaven And absolutely enormous

751
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: number of right wing journalists have passed through who over

752
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: the years. So this is I mean, it's the name.

753
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: I it's very familiar. I'm sure everyone listening to this

754
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: is run into a Washington Times articles like like the

755
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: half of their business is people like on social media

756
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: mistaking them for the Post and it's like yeah, yeah,

757
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, and and so you know, there's a thing

758
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: sayings all this like fairly. It was like this like

759
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: a week or two ago, uh, the Washington the Washington

760
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Times like published an article calling basically screaming about like

761
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: calling the CCP like I think it's a termite infestation.

762
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: And it was like like, oh, there's these termites in

763
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: the in our society have to be eliminated. And I'm like, well,

764
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: so this is like but yeah, I just I just

765
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: looked at the Washington Post and the Washington Times website

766
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: next to each other. Almost identical fonts for the names,

767
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: like deliberately almost identical fonts for the names. And I

768
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: think people, I don't know, people, people, people look at

769
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: the Washington Times doing something like that, You're like, oh

770
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: my god, look at the end office, Like, yeah, these guys,

771
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: like these guys are so much worse. Like this, this

772
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: is this is the this is the newspaper of a cult. Yeah,

773
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: much like the Epoch Times. Yep, yeah, except yeah, I

774
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: mean this, you know a lot, a lot of what's

775
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: happening here like like like this, like the Moonies are

776
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: just a better, like a more successful version of the

777
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Speaker 1: Falling Gong in a lot of ways. I mean they do.

778
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: One of the big differences would be that the Falling Gong,

779
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: as terrible, as a lot of things about them are,

780
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: legitimately has suffered repression and stuff like yeah, as opposed

781
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: to these guys are fully the state is on board

782
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah yeah, And well I okay, so the

783
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: UI State. We'll get to that in a second. Um,

784
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Speaker 1: But you know, so, I want to especially mention some

785
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: of these people. David Brooks gets to start in journalism

786
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: as a writing movie reviews for them, like Patty Cannon

787
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: is an ex Washington Times columnist. That makes sense, and

788
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: they basically like invent the modern style of right wing journalism,

789
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: Like these are the Times, like some of the first

790
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: people to do the war on Christmas, Like they basically

791
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: invent that. And you know, I want to you know

792
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: that they have a very disturbing analysis of this. Um,

793
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: I want to read one of their this is this

794
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: is a poster that was made by one of the

795
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: their affiliate groups. Because they have about a trillion news

796
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: is available through more media than ever before and for

797
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, much of it sounds the

798
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: same our media giving people the facts they need in

799
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Speaker 1: the twenty one century. Is the media's traditional role of

800
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: reporting facts even still relevant? Is it time for the

801
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: media to become guide dogs instead of watchdogs? So, and

802
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: what they're guiding people to is white nationalism. The Times

803
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: is extremely racist, incredibly pro pro Confederate, and they publish

804
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: a bunch of literal Nazis um Francis booth count. Yeah.

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00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: But but but I mean, like like people who are more

806
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: explicitly Nazi than pat U Cannon, which is fairly impressive. Yes,

807
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: because he's written the whole book defending Hitler. Yeah, so

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: so Francis Booth Coombs, who works at The Times, frequently

809
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: he was he was like, he was like, they're one

810
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: of their head publishers, and he frequently published his wife,

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Speaker 1: who's the other main thing is rife rights for his

812
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: storm front. Awesome, it's amazing. So here here's from the

813
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Law Center. In one opinion piece in The Times,

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Speaker 1: Coombs describes the whole of of human history as quote

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Speaker 1: the struggle of races. Non white immigration, she wrote in

816
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: another column is importing poverty and revolution that will end

817
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: in the eventual loss of American sovereignty. In England, Muslims

818
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: are turning life in this once pleasant land into misery

819
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: for its native inhabitants. It's real, like and this is

820
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Speaker 1: this is just one example that I've pulled out. Are

821
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Speaker 1: dozens of people at the time to write stuff exactly

822
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: like this. It's horrifying. I've talked a bit before about

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Speaker 1: the Defender of Djer. They're they're huge, huge defenders, are

824
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: a part tight in South Africa. They are Yeah, it's

825
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it's. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: worst institutions in the US and they in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways it's like it's they kind of serve a

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Speaker 1: role sort of similar to what info Wars does, right,

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Speaker 1: where like you have this one sort of they they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll do the Alex Jones think right,

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll they'll pick a headline from another news source

832
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: completely misinterpreted, turned it into an outraged machine, and then

833
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: they'll feed you to the right to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the right wing press and it goes through like Fox News. Yeah,

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00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: but they're they're kind of more like bright Bart and

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00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: that there they camouflaged themselves as more legitimate. And then

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Speaker 1: also like you know, especially with Reagan, like they just

838
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Speaker 1: directly have access to the president because this is their

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Speaker 1: favorite magazine, like this this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the other things they do

841
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: is so the Korean government, uh, there's there's there's there's

842
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: a pro democracy uprising in the city at Guansju, and

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Speaker 1: that they make this commune. It's it's one of the

844
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: sort of incredible revolution stream moments in world history, and

845
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: the Korean government just murders them, absolutely butchers them um

846
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: and the Times does propaganda like you know, Times runs

847
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: cover for the Korean government. And this is so bad

848
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: that even like the other right wingers at the times

849
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: just resigned in mass because they're like, I, I won't

850
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: be a part of this, Like the South Korean government

851
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: literally murdering a bunch of protomocracy protesters, that that order

852
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: to defend the South Korean government comes directly from the top,

853
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: It comes directly from Moon, it comes directly from Bohepok,

854
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: and they're trying to protect the new South Korean government

855
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: after the k C I a shop performer dictator Perk

856
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Chung he in his bunker, which is a story that

857
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: I will tell like another time on this podcast. South

858
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: Korea deserves as much time as North Korea. Yeah there,

859
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm working on episodes, but yeah, we will tell that later.

860
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: But you know, Moon is just directly running in inference

861
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: of the fact that like his bosses just murdered the

862
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: president now does right weight media blitz isn't just an

863
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: American affair. Moon is putting on newspapers across the world,

864
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: including the Sergey Times in Korea, the Middle East Times

865
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: in Cairo, and Sekai Nepo in Japan. Now Sakai Nipo

866
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: is fun because they directly advocate for Japan invading Manchuria again,

867
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: which yeah, because it went so well last Yeah, it's great.

868
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: And you know that this is where I'm talking about.

869
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: You know that the whole thing about how they about

870
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: how the Mooney's run that scam where they make people

871
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: like pay indulgences for all the war crimes that Japan

872
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: did in Korea. Oh boy, They're advocating for them to

873
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: do it again. It's it's great. Well, I mean God

874
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: forgave them so kind of like graspute and believed you

875
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: got to get back in there and start sending again. Yeah, well,

876
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: he's not going to forgive. I should I should specifically

877
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: mentioned this. God does not forgive Tojo. Moon forgives Tojo.

878
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Well yea personally someone a little more powerful than God,

879
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and Moon is just much much better than God. I

880
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: think Moon would agree. Yeah. Now, Moon's increasing hold over

881
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: the media was tested in Japan when Yoshi Kazu sho Jima,

882
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: a former churchman, attempted to fight like a full scale

883
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: church takeover of Sakai Nepo in Japan. Now Moon sends

884
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: in the Yakuza from the book Inside the League on

885
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: the first of October about a hundred people, including about

886
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: thirty and special karate training groups, barged into the papers offices.

887
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: They broke this pretty papers and beat up some of

888
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: the employees. On second of nineteen eighty four, so Jima

889
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: was attacked outside his home in Tokyo and stabbed repeatedly,

890
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: according to police reports. When the attack occurred, he was

891
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: preparing an article critical of Moon Man. Can't one team

892
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: of like karate soldiers be sent into a place and

893
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: not in the I I'm going to do an episode

894
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: at some point about karate because it's so fucked up.

895
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: But one of the things that one of the things

896
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: is important to note is that the World Karate Federation

897
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: was founded by Sasakawa, the that that Japanese fascist and

898
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: one of Moon's lieutenants. So yeah, all the karate people

899
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: like huge supply of bodyguards for South Korean dictators are well.

900
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to go to cross mcgaff

901
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: for an unpro problematic martial art. Time to google KRAG

902
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: for the first time. You know, it's it's bad now.

903
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: So while all of this is happening, like this is

904
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, this this is some ways is move moment

905
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: of triumph. But there's two disasters that strike. One is

906
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: the death of his seventeen year old son huang Jin.

907
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: Now this is a major problem from Boone theologically because

908
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: he has written that people can only reach the Kingdom

909
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: of Heaven if they're married. So naturally, what kills his

910
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: son's dead? He's driving an suv on an icy road

911
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, well he wasn't. Well he's just like is

912
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: not is a seventeen year old and it's not good

913
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: at driving an ice and okay, yeah he I don't

914
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: there's there's no evidence he got murdered. Uh So, So

915
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: naturally Moon solves the problem of his son can't go

916
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: to heaven because he wasn't married by marrying the dead

917
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: huang Jin off to Bohey poks daughter Hudson Pac. I

918
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: mean potentially a great deal because you don't have to

919
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of the traditional downside of marriage. Yeah.

920
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Hun Sun Park later said that the experience was quote

921
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: like being emotionally raped. So yeah, not good. I'm gonna

922
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait an extra second before the Chris, Yeah,

923
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not good. Um yeah, and this is like

924
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: while this is going on, like what while while Moon's

925
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: having his deskquad adventures, Like there's just still a bunch

926
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: of horrible stuff happening at your personally in the church.

927
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't have a good segue from this

928
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: and so what I'm about to read. So Moon also

929
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: said about Huang Jen's death, if the sacrifice of huang

930
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: Jin Nim had not been made one if either too

931
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: great calamities could have happened. Either the Korean nation could

932
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: have suffered a catastrophic setback, suchach invasion from the North,

933
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: or I myself could have been assassinated, Which I think

934
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: it's a secret where he's like, my son has died.

935
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: How do I spin this? How do I spend this? Uh? Yeah,

936
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: if he hadn't died, Uh one, if two equally bad

937
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: things gonna happen, I could die or North Korea could invade.

938
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: And I'm just like and he's consistently do doing the

939
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: thing that you're not supposed to do as a person.

940
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Um like say that God thinks that you're better than God,

941
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: or say that well, at least it was my son

942
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: that died and not me, Like these are like real

943
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: big but um, but it's just cool. It's fine, that's

944
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: that's great. It's it's a good time. Um. Yeah. So

945
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: Moon's other problem is with the law. Moon gets indicted

946
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: on a number of in the US because he died

947
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: on a number of count related to the fact that

948
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: literally everything he does is indescribably illegal, and the government

949
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: is trying to sort of trying to get him on

950
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: tax charges. Um Moon. Like, Moon loses this case and

951
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: gets convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury. And

952
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: it's important to remember what he's convicted of because even

953
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: before Moon is convicted, he launches this massive advertising complain

954
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: complaining that he's like he's being religiously and racially persecuted

955
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: by a government that hates religion, and there's like this

956
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: cult obsession and it's just that they don't they just

957
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: don't understand his new religion. And this works to nish

958
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: to SUSA gives a speech defending him. God at look,

959
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: You've brought up a lot of frustrating names, but that's

960
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: the first one that made me a'm God damn it.

961
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: Lawrence Tribe shows up to argue that this whole prosecution

962
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: is an attack on the First Amendment and the government

963
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: is going after him for holding church money, his own money.

964
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: In the same account, which is like a standard practice

965
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: for small churches. Uh tribe. Okay, so the a c

966
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: l U is involved in this. I've seen conflicting accounts

967
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: as whether it was just the New York chapter or

968
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: the entire ac LU, but some of the a c

969
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: l U, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the National

970
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: Association of Evangelicals. I'll argue that if Moon is convicted,

971
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: the government will like come after churches everywhere, So we

972
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: have to defend Moon now. And of course none of

973
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: this ever happens. Yeah, no, this is, none of this

974
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: ever happens. There's no persecution ever because it's all lie.

975
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: Moon is put in prison, if you remember, for obstruction

976
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: of justice, perjury, and conspiracy, not tax evasion, right, Like

977
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: he's not, that's not what he goes down for. It

978
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: Like he goes down because he's running an enormous money

979
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: laundering operation that is smuggling money in the socks of

980
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: ballet dancers to move yakas in money to Latin American

981
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: death squads like that. That's what he's actually doing with this,

982
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: and that's a crime. Now, we don't let that happen

983
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: in America. But this is a thing. Like to this

984
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: day you can find conservatives on on forum post talking

985
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: about how like like like the like the rational skeptic

986
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: people will be like Moon was like unjustly prosecutors Like no,

987
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: they they he got off like so easy for the

988
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: number of crimes. He's like, dude, Shane saw it hit

989
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: him in half, It wouldn't have been an unjust prosecution

990
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: like she like like this guy, this guy ran Koreans

991
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: like ran Korean ci influence operations on on sitting American senators. Yeah,

992
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: this is like a dullest level piece of ship, like

993
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: just let it happen. No. Nevertheless, Jerry Farwell and Tim Lahay,

994
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: founders in the Moral Majority, joined and and they argue

995
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: that he's being persecuted by sexular humanists, which is their

996
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: version of cultural Marxism. It's great. Yeah, yeah, the original

997
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: term was pagan statism actually, and it's gone through a

998
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: few permutations before we hit cultural Marxists, which seems to

999
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: scan best now. Yeah. Hey, it takes five thousand dollars

1000
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: from Moon and creates the Coalition for Religious Freedom, which

1001
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: is like focused on defending Moon. Um. Jerry Farwell, who

1002
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: had denounced Moon as a devil, praying on American children

1003
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: in speaks at a banquet run by c I USA

1004
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: five and sits on the Coalition for Religious Freedom's board,

1005
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: and you know, pre I mean it's okay, yeah, Like

1006
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: prison turns out to have been like an incredible boon

1007
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: from Moon. It lets some like completely you know, because

1008
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: he were like Moon Moon in the seventies, he is

1009
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: like one of the most hated figures in America because

1010
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's the cult guy. And by

1011
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the mid eighties, he you know, he's he's gone, he's

1012
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: completely rehabilitated his image and he's now like fully integrated

1013
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: into the into the Christian right. And it's in crimes

1014
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: crimes and an enormous amount of money and you can

1015
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: do whatever, you can fund every desk on Earth now.

1016
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: But back in the church, things had taken an extremely

1017
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: bizarre turn. Um in the summer of nine, church leaders

1018
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: heard that Moon's dead son huang Jin, had returned to

1019
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: Earth in the body of a church member from Zimbabwe,

1020
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: Cleopas Kudiona, was accepted by Moon as a reincarnation of

1021
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: huang Jin whose body who spirit possessed his body. Um

1022
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: Moon like ap points him as like a church inquisitor,

1023
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: and so he would go around like beating church members

1024
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: until they like confess to something they did wrong. And

1025
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: it's apparently really brutal. He like beats priests and their

1026
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: wives unconscious. There's a there's a story about him. Like

1027
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: he takes out a gun and just like starts shooting

1028
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: bullets into a pool and then orders everyone to go

1029
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: like pick up the bullets from inside the pool. Um. Yeah,

1030
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: and he even he even beats Bohei Pawk like so

1031
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: badly that Pac has to go to a hospital to

1032
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: have like fluid drain from his brain. And this is

1033
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: the point at which Moon is like, I've had enough

1034
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: of this man. Yeah, and he he has my son

1035
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: beats one lass guy than that. Yeah, And so he

1036
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: declares that the huang Jin spirit has left the body

1037
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: of Hung Jin comes back to life to just beat

1038
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: the ship out of some people and then goes right

1039
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: off to the spirit realm again. Ye incredible day. It's

1040
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: It's wild. One of the funny things ones like this

1041
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: is like there are so many church leaders who are

1042
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: just like randomly showing up with like bruises on them.

1043
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: They're like one of their like American like pretty prominent

1044
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: American followers is like convincers, like communist plot going on

1045
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: to like disrupt the leadership with the church, and it's

1046
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: just the other things that they call him black huang Jin.

1047
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's bad. I mean, okay. Also really Scan

1048
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: is bad within the context of the episode. Well, so

1049
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: I should briefly talk about there's there there's like a

1050
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: there's like a so Moon is like a big like

1051
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: racial unity guy. So like like you know, he he

1052
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: like he was promoting integration in the seventies and yeah, yeah, yeah,

1053
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean is actually a number of really problematic guys

1054
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: who during the conversations and integration were on the right side.

1055
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: We could talk about the fucking um um oh you

1056
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: know the kool aid do what do you college Jim

1057
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Jim Jones. Yeah, but but but but but I will say,

1058
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: so Moon is lying about this. Moon does not actually

1059
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: believe in racial quality. He in his like inside the church,

1060
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: the racism from the death squad guy. Yeah, there's there's

1061
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: this like internal hierarchy basically like people in the church

1062
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: and it's like Koreans are on top, and then I

1063
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: think it's like Japs people and then white people and

1064
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: then like black people are on the bottom, and there's

1065
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: like there's there's some there's some racism stuff going on there.

1066
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I didn't write enormous about about it because

1067
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: there's so many death squads and we still haven't even

1068
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: gotten to the next thing we're about to get to,

1069
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: which is uh Kim Il Sung. So yeah, Moon Moon

1070
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: ironically lives to see the death of communism like in

1071
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: the Triumph of the Market economy, literally everywhere except for

1072
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: North Korea well, which is yeah, still keeping on. Yeah,

1073
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: but you know, he's the Moon is convinced that like

1074
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: collapses coming any day now is like the brilliant wall

1075
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: falls and the other stars imploding. And the Moon begins

1076
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: secret talks with North Korea, and later that year she's

1077
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: finally able to meet Kimmel Sung and return to return

1078
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: to North Korea for the first time since the Korean War.

1079
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: Now Kim Il Sung has uh like has like Moon's

1080
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: childhood home like refurbished, and Moon goes to visit his

1081
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: home and then they have this like meeting where they

1082
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: like they like, they like hug it out and Kimmel

1083
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Sung says, let us forget the past. Most important now

1084
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: is the future. Um the defense Intelligence Agency claims that

1085
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: Moon paid millions of dollars to a secret overseas bank

1086
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: account to get the meeting and secure future investment rights.

1087
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. The only evidence were

1088
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: the only sources of Defense Intelligence Agency, so they might

1089
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: just be lying. It might also be true. But whatever happened,

1090
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: it works. Kimmel, Sung and Moon we're now in business together.

1091
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: Moon invests somewhere between fifty and sixty million dollars into

1092
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: a joint North Korean South Korean car company called peng

1093
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: Kuan Motors, and was it allowed the extremely rare privilege

1094
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: of like putting up corporate billboards in North Korea for

1095
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: this company. And here's a fun quote from from Church stands.

1096
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: The North Korea stands are gonna billboards and the socialist

1097
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: paradise so here here's a fun quote from a church officer,

1098
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: Uh Park Song Quan, who's the head of the joint venture.

1099
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: We are bound to succeed. There are no unions, low

1100
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: labor costs, the workers are very clever, very quick to learn,

1101
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: and they are harshly controlled by their superiors. Paradise Church,

1102
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I thought, is the one your revolutionary ideology. I've always

1103
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: said that Sophie will tell you. I say that to

1104
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: her every day time, like all her in the room

1105
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: of the night, screaming it at the top of my lungs.

1106
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: He's also like investing in Vietnam and China for like

1107
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: similar reasons, neither of whom seemed to have any objections

1108
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: of taking money from a man who had their former

1109
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: comrades literally burned alive. I mean, look, once you get

1110
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: to the point where people have a lot of money,

1111
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: nobody actually believes anything. It's great. It's great. So yeah,

1112
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: the other thing Moon is able to do is he

1113
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: The Washington Times gets the first, like the first interview

1114
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: with any North Korean leader in the Western pressent twenty years,

1115
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: and the Times basically publishes like a puff piece praising

1116
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: Kimmel Song. So, you know, you might be asking yourself,

1117
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: how does this dude who has literally spent his entire

1118
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: career being full of munism, how is he justifying allying

1119
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: with Kimmel Sung. And the answer is that he justifies

1120
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: it by calling it a triumph of his sheer power

1121
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: to fuse together himself and his enemy Kane, enable God

1122
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: and Satan yinon Yang, and even his own followers are like, no, like,

1123
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: leave this because he's basically saying, well, is the only

1124
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: problem with communism was that they didn't like me, but

1125
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: now they like me. And it's funny because he is

1126
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: like one of the largest like funders of the North

1127
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Korean economy. Stay, he's like the big people putting money

1128
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: into it. It's it's incredible, um and you know, and

1129
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: this is you know, but but you know, his followers

1130
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: leaving the church is kind of a theme from Women.

1131
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: The Moon in the nineties and the nineties a kind

1132
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: of a rough time for him. George H. W. Bush,

1133
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: who was a big enough Moon supporter to tour Japan

1134
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: and Argentina with him, you know, losing the election, and

1135
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: Moon claims this is a result of Bush refusing to

1136
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: sign papers calling Korea the Country of Eternal Peace, supreme

1137
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: over all other nations. It's like, yeah, he didn't make

1138
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: me king, so that's why he lost. But he starts

1139
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: pivoting to try to be like a civil rights leader,

1140
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: and he forms this thing called the Women's Federation from

1141
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: World Peace, which argues that women's liberation is submitting traditional

1142
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: gender roles. And then he also starts paying a bunch

1143
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: of old civil rights leaders to back him and like

1144
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: courting these like socially conservative black churches. And you know,

1145
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: while he's doing this, he also bails out Liberty University

1146
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: for three point five million dollars when he thinks no

1147
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: one's looking. It's great, it's great. He's baid out Liberty University.

1148
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: But in Unstuckhong publishes a book called in the Shadow

1149
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: of the Moon's My life in the Reverend Sun Young

1150
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: Moon's family, Nonsuck Hong is the wife of Moon's first son,

1151
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: like for Someng with his wife Steve, who's Steve last

1152
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: scene threatening to rape and kill another woman for having

1153
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: a child with Moon. Yeah he's great. So Steve Moon

1154
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: is a problem child. He can't be disciplined, he drinks constantly,

1155
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: and he just wants to be a rock star in

1156
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: South Korea, which normally I'm on board with, like, I

1157
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: don't know, son of a called leader, I just want

1158
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: to be rock star. Um. Moon is mad about this

1159
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: because he's like, okay, well, my son needs to lead

1160
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: the church. So his plan is to get a successor

1161
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: back in line is to marry him off to the

1162
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: fifteen year old non Sukong, apparently on the logic that

1163
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: having a wife who's young enough to be easily controlled

1164
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: wul turn him into a proper patriarch or something. And

1165
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's bad. I Hung is basically just like

1166
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: like just Steve treats treat her as a servant. Um

1167
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: she has to like can food every morning, and you

1168
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: know she she talks about this time like basically like

1169
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: smiling and being cheery every day before crying yourself to

1170
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: sleep every night. Um Hung gets pregndent, I think for

1171
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: the first time at seventeen, and she has she eventually

1172
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: has five kids. On what we're pregnant with the fifth kid,

1173
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: she can rent Steve, who's been doing literally millions of

1174
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: dollars of cocaine, like he is he is like defrauding. Yeah,

1175
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: that's pretty rad. Look, no, no notes on that guy. Yeah,

1176
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: so the problem with this is that you know he

1177
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: is like not helping raise his sons and daughters. And

1178
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: so um Hung like confronted about this, and she tries

1179
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: to flush some of the cocaine down the toilet. And

1180
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: here's how the New Republic describes what happened next. Steve

1181
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: quote smashed my face fast, his fist into my face,

1182
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: blooding my nose hung later recalled, he wiped my blood

1183
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: on his hand and licked it off. Taste good. He said,

1184
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: this is fun. It's yeah, it's it's not good. Um

1185
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, like's just licking the blood off his hand

1186
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: and saying, this tastes good, this is fun. Like what

1187
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I mean, yeah, it does, yeah, Steve. Steve

1188
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: then threatens to kill her baby and like keeps on beating. Here,

1189
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: she shares from an interview she gave a CBS is

1190
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. He beat me so severely I thought he

1191
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: would kill the baby in my womb. He made me

1192
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: clean up the spilled white powder from the floor, even

1193
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: as you continue to beat me. Later he would offer

1194
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 1: religious justification for beating me half senseless, a woman seven

1195
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: months pregnant. He was teaching me to be humble in

1196
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: the presence of the Messiah. Yeah, yeah, that's um. That's

1197
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately a really common line of like you talked to

1198
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,479
Speaker 1: people who are in kind of like homeschooling colts and

1199
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, raised in sort of like to train up

1200
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: a child kind of bullshit. Like, Yeah, there's a lot

1201
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: of justifications for child abution, special abuse in different Christian

1202
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: sects that are like, well, this is I'm humbling you.

1203
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: You have to be humble for God, and like yeah,

1204
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: it's horrible and you know this is this is this.

1205
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: But the reason of this book and the interviews, um,

1206
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: like Hog is actually like she's she actually she's able

1207
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: to get away from Moon and she's able to live

1208
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: her own life. I mean, like people like church members

1209
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: like keep continuously calling her and like stuff like that happens.

1210
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: But she's able to get out and she publishes his book.

1211
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: And this book does like enormous damage to Moon because

1212
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, here's this guy who's supposed to have been

1213
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: like like he's you know, he's supposed to have been him.

1214
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: He's the most he's literally the Messiah, and he's he's

1215
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: to him and his children are like his children supposed

1216
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: to be be the first generation of new perfect children and

1217
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing and this is really bad

1218
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: for the church. Um So Moon begins to change his

1219
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: strategy once again. His new plan is he's going to

1220
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: get the US to crown him king. Okay, okay, how

1221
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: did that go? In two thousand four, Congressman twenty six

1222
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: ambassadors to the US and like five hundred other dignitaries

1223
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: gathered in the Dirkson Senate Office Building. According to one

1224
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: description of the events, Republican Roscoe Bartlett bowed before the

1225
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: couple and Democrat Danny Davis carried out one of the

1226
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: two golden crowns that were placed on their heads. Wait what.

1227
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: Moon then informed the audience that kings and presidents had

1228
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: declared him humanity savior and that Jesus, Buddha, Hitler, and

1229
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: Stellin had been reborn as new persons to his teachings. Wow,

1230
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: it turns out did that make it into anybody's like campaign?

1231
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: And it's trying to unsee these guys that seems like

1232
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: there was like I feel like he even today, if

1233
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: somebody in Congress did that, a lot of folks would

1234
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: There was like week everyone was like, oh hey, all

1235
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: all these senators went to a went to a ceremony

1236
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: with they literally crowned this guy king and everyone was like,

1237
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: he gives us money, and just nobody cares. Yeah, yeah,

1238
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: look it was a metaphor, but why are you asking

1239
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: he gives his money? So so apparently he bribed a

1240
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: bunch of these people to be there by giving them

1241
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: gold watches. The Congressman's show up and are like, wait,

1242
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: hold on, I thought we were just giving him an award.

1243
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: Why are we crowding him king? And like the American

1244
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: press is just like this is a curiosity, okay, whatever, Yeah,

1245
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: some signs its crowns, sung set, crown, Reverend Moon King.

1246
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing we all lot and

1247
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: clearly we can't, but the one thing Americans should generally

1248
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: agree on is don't crown people king. That's like the

1249
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: whole thing that we were against. But no, like, this

1250
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: is this is what like, you know, this is all

1251
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: at changeable. Guess why it gets so mad about the

1252
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: fact that, like, like the fact that we support Saudi Arabia.

1253
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: It's like, there's one principle, can we not one thing?

1254
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: They keep doing it bad, they keep making kings and

1255
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, and this is this is like this is

1256
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: an internally this is an enormous propagandic couper Moon um.

1257
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: You know here like literally leaders of the United States

1258
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: bowing to him and crowning him king and so Moon

1259
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: like retreats to a palace modeled aft the Capital model

1260
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: after the Capital building that he is constructed in Korea.

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Speaker 1: After taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from bushes faith

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Speaker 1: of government money by the way, from bushes faith based initiatives.

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Speaker 1: It's great now, you know, but by by the time

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Speaker 1: you get to the late two thousands, Moons how this

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Speaker 1: is failing. He has I think he gets cancer. Um.

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Speaker 1: His daughter in Jin Moon starts to take over the

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Speaker 1: church around two ten UM. She takes over through a

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Speaker 1: bunch of incredibly complicated political maneuvering. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get into here, but she's able to take control of

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Speaker 1: most of the church, but not all of it. And

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Speaker 1: this is important because her so she's able to take

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Speaker 1: control of like like the organization that's the church, right,

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Speaker 1: but she's not able to take control of the holding

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Speaker 1: group that they fundel all their money through. So the

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Speaker 1: jillions of dollars she doesn't have access. Yeah and well yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that the show company goes to her brother Preston,

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Speaker 1: who does Mark Yeah why yeah, I mean he okay,

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Speaker 1: like he's not the worst of the family branch, but

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: he like he basically takes the money and he sets

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Speaker 1: up like a new church with the same theology, except

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Speaker 1: without the like the Moon family members. As Messiah's um

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: engine calls him, quote a fallen Adam being controlled by Satan,

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01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: and Preston says like basically the same like similar things

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Speaker 1: about her, and this is the first of like a

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Speaker 1: myriad of fractures that would consume the church as Reverend's

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: health declinity lost control. The good news is that if

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01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: you're that guy, if you're the guy, even God is

1288
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: like this, dude knows what's up. Um, you're probably not

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: going to have anyone who's capable of being that bold.

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Speaker 1: And they have to be after you know, although replacements

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Speaker 1: just almost certainly not going to be not going to

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Speaker 1: have that kind of hunt. I mean, the other they

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, okay, engine just terribly she she

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: her thing is you know, so the probably by doesn't sime.

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Speaker 1: You're you're in the Obama years, right, like the golden

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Speaker 1: age where there were no problems not. What I will

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: say though, is that this is actually like this is

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Speaker 1: the first time that the church hasn't been able to

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: write a cultural shift because you know, like like the

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Speaker 1: war majority stuff, it's like as a politics kind of

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: like like but I mean, you know, Obama like it's

1302
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of dying, like I mean, it's still around, but

1303
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: like it doesn't. That's like that that that kind of

1304
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: right wing, like like the pure the Christian version of it,

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't fully you emerge again until Trump and

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: then when it doesn't, when it comes back on to

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: the trumpets, it's you know, like it's it's it's like

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: a more fascist like version of it. And while they're

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: trying to write this transition, they screw up. Um. And

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01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: she like attempts to modernize the church. So she gets

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01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: rid of all like the old hymns and chanting, replaces

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,879
Speaker 1: them with like guitar hero and ping pong tournaments and shustle.

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: She launches a rock band called Sonic Cult. And and

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01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: she she she even is like, oh, we should encourage

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: kids to like have a role in choosing their partners. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is an apocall disaster for the church. Internal church

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: documents show that church membership in the US drop from

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: twenty six thousand to seven thousand and two months. She's like, wow,

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01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, that is that is that is

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty quick fault. Now when when when Moon

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: finally dies in Moon's wife just like almost immediately outserved

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: by so engine had had a child out a wedlock. Um,

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01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: and that's like that's like literally the worst sin you

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: can possibly do in the church. And so she like

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: reveals this and engine just like disappears. Um. But you

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: know even after this coup that the church continues to fragment.

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: And the most famous of these breakaway shards is huang

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01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: Jin Shan Moon's breakaway Faction, which is now known as

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01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: the Air fifteen Church for conducting rich rules and Marriages

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: Air fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting. This is an

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: interesting faction because you know, he doesn't have like Sean

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have either the money of like Preston's breakaway Church,

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01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: nor does he have the connections that like the main churches,

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean the main church are the

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: people who hold on to leadership in like South Korea,

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01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: they hold on to it in in like in Africa,

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: they hold mon to South America the whole aunts Japanese

1338
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: branch in particular. But what Shawn's faction does have is

1339
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: car arms. She's yeah, so so he so he chooses,

1340
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: like you know, with with car arms and you know,

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: with with with this sort of like thing going on,

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: he chooses like publicity sounds rebuild his membership. So you know,

1343
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: he he dawns a crown of bullets and rallies around

1344
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: like Revelation to seven, which says he shall rule them

1345
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: with a rod of iron. It's it's very like, you know,

1346
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: this is a lot, and knowing that the news like

1347
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: obviously it's gonna look Sonettie, that the news will go

1348
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: crazy over it and then yea a boom attention economy. Maybe. Yeah.

1349
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: And you know what, Shawn isn't totally without connections and resources. Um,

1350
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: both Steve Bannon and Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson show

1351
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: up to one of his events, and I think Steve

1352
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: Bannon is a connection Joey Gibson so much. Not so much.

1353
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: I do up Joey Gibson though, because well, joe in

1354
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he controls car arms all make the

1355
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: fact that he shows up to the capital on his

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: father's birthday January six, it helps storm it all the

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: more disturbing. Yeah, that's good, that's that makes sense that

1358
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: we were heading there. And if they had another reason,

1359
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, birthday party. It wasn't just it wasn't

1360
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: just the Trump stuff. Looking there were a lot of

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: reasons for me to be storming that thing today. Now

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: a year later, Trump gave a nine eleven speech to

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: a packed Mainline Unification church event led by Moon's wife,

1364
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: he said, quote, what what they have achieved on the

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: Peninsula is just amazing in just a few decades. The

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: inspiration that they have caused for the entire planet is unbelievable.

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: And I congratulate you again and again. So so Trump,

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: this makes Trump, I said, I said, there were six

1369
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: presidents right who've even met him or supported his organizations.

1370
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: So that's Eisenhower, Nixon, Uh, George Bush, George H. W. Bush,

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01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and Donald Trump. So this is a wonderful

1372
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: two party system here. Absolutely shocked that Clinton was not

1373
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: on there. It's completely stunned. This this is because the

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01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: Moon hates Clinton. Moon like like when when Clinton Clinton

1375
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: wins the election, Boone is like the US has been

1376
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: taken over by Satan and like leaves for you know

1377
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: that does scan based on the time that does scan?

1378
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And actually one of the other things

1379
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: that I didn't mention in this was is that the

1380
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: Washington Times are like some of the people who like

1381
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: start the like so when when when Hillary does the

1382
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: one good thing she's ever done her entire life, which

1383
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: was advocating for universal healthcare. They like, that's when they

1384
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: start like a bunch of the like anti Clinton, like

1385
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: Asher turf stuff. Yeah. So and to to to close,

1386
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: to close this out, I'm going to I'm gonna end

1387
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: this episode by reading a list of prominent American conservatives

1388
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: involved with the Moonies in some way or another, either

1389
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: writing for their magazines, working for a friend group, giving speeches,

1390
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: or taking their money. David brooks Elliott, Abram, Pappy Kennon,

1391
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: George Bush, George H. W. Bush, Donald Trump, Mike Pants,

1392
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: Mark Pompeo, Mark esper and New King, rich Or in Hatch,

1393
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, go Over Northquest, Jack Abramoff, Richard Vigieri, Ed

1394
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Fulner Strom, thurmant To, let's just use a Lawrence tribe,

1395
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Fallwell, Steve Bannon, Tim Lahey, Ralph Read, Beverly Lahy,

1396
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: Gary Bauer, Gerald for Jack Camp and John Putt Horretz.

1397
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: And this is this is an incomplete list, Like I

1398
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's like hitting the hits. Yeah. And and

1399
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: this also does not include anyone from the Twelve Countries

1400
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: or Moon funded desquads. So yeah, that's reference moon what

1401
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: a green guy. Well you know what, as a fair man,

1402
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to give kudos to a guy who went

1403
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: for it. You know, she good for you, but she

1404
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: got a bunch he got a bunch of of sitting

1405
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: US congressman and Senator to Crini King, Yeah that is

1406
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: that is an achievement has ever done. Is an achievement

1407
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: no one else. Yeah. Look, you know what, my I

1408
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 1: gotta just give one quiet salute, um in honor of

1409
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: this man's ambition and ability to somehow have an ass

1410
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: that could cash the kind of checks that he was writing. Yeah.

1411
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: This this, this man had one glorious dream and it

1412
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: was dead babies. And he killed a lot of babies.

1413
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: He killed a lot of babies. He is going to

1414
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: be responsible for the death of a lot of babies

1415
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: in the future. And he made some pretty mediocre handguns. Um,

1416
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: don't buy a car, get a number of other guns. Look,

1417
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: if you want a tiny hand and get a don't know,

1418
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: Smith and Wilson bodyguard or something you don't you don't, don't,

1419
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: don't buy a car. Well, Chris, thank you for making

1420
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: me sad. I'm happy to question work, but I'm also

1421
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: happy because I didn't have to do as much work.

1422
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: This week, and I got to learn a story about

1423
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: a cult leader who is boy Howdy got to be

1424
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: in our gotta be in our top five. He's a

1425
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: Really the money is just ridiculous. Yeah yeah, it's Bride.

1426
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: It's just oh my god. Yeah, thank you Chris Man

1427
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: and listeners give me that kind of money. And I

1428
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: promise this was so many death squads, like, way more

1429
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: death squads than this guy, none of none of this

1430
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: other distraction bullshit. I'm going to go peer in on

1431
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: the death squads, you know, or don't behind the bastards

1432
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: guaranteed that does not have a Twitter at c h

1433
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: R three, go listen to it could happen here. We're

1434
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: going to do more about the World Anti Communist League

1435
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: because I I only scratched the surface of the horse.

1436
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well that's the episode. Goodbye and

1437
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 1: go with Christ who thinks that the Reverend Moon is

1438
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: way smarter than he is. Totally told me that at

1439
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: the dinner party. Jesus