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Speaker 5: In today's episode, we're recapping it Welcome to Dary one

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Speaker 5: you this holiday season to help you cover some more

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Speaker 1: But first it Welcome to Derry. Okay, it Welcome to Darry.

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Speaker 1: Episode seven, we open with flashback to an og penny Wise,

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Speaker 1: the dancy clown at the carnival, and the kids love

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Speaker 1: penny Wise. He's got a very weird kind of vaudvillian

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Speaker 1: kind of performance. It goes lots of places. There's happiness,

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Speaker 1: there's sadness, there's a little scaredness. There's a beaver, there's dancing,

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Speaker 1: there's crying, there's the whole thing, and the audience loves it.

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Speaker 1: At a certain point, the kids like do a field

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Speaker 1: a pitch invasion of the stage and start ramp paging

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Speaker 5: It's a live action Mooney Tune short, complete with like

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Speaker 5: Bunny style character. You've got the flowers popping in and out.

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Speaker 5: There's a death, which again you know you're looking at

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Speaker 5: I was like, do I love penny Wise? Like original

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Speaker 5: Pennywise is adorable, He's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Good dad put it up.

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Speaker 1: Great guy. So Pennywise is in his trailer taking off

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Speaker 1: his makeup when his precocious daughter Ingrid comes in and

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how that works in

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Speaker 6: Oh, I missed the circus on the bin top and

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Speaker 6: the events, but one day I wouldn't be back there.

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Speaker 5: Do we think Pennywise had a drinking problem and got

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Speaker 1: Kids are wandering around in the woods late at night,

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Speaker 1: Bad bad decision from the PC. PW Pennywise, PwC. Pennywise,

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Speaker 1: Everybody was really drunk. Is one thing? Like all the

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Speaker 1: and Will specifically gets them a tunnel, gets them out,

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Speaker 1: but before he can rescue Richie and Marge, the wall

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Speaker 1: we go. Richie and Marge are like, what are we

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Speaker 1: It's and Richie comes up with basically a reverse in

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Speaker 1: there's no room for Richie in this like cooler.

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Speaker 2: That he puts, he puts Marget and Laude realizes that.

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Speaker 1: She's getting locked in this thing, Like what Richie, No,

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Speaker 3: How dead?

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Speaker 1: He's like, remember I told you? But remember the Knights,

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Speaker 1: the Knights and shining Armor. Well, uh, they don't just

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Speaker 1: you're stay safe in there, my sweet princess. I love

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Speaker 1: you so much. She actually says at first, like I

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Speaker 5: Outside of the status lover boy moves in the television

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Speaker 5: The sweet headed First of all, I don't believe couldn't

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of issues. I'm gonna save most

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Speaker 5: But if we're just looking at like, here's this sweet

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Speaker 5: But I did not like this. Bring back Richie. He

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Speaker 1: And please, I'll just say listen, I think the and

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Speaker 1: Why do you once you got her in the box,

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Speaker 1: Once you got her in the box, why you quitting?

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Speaker 1: Why you laying down on the job, find a fucking

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Speaker 5: He's read the novels and this is how they go. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Don't know those analogies.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, come on, man, you can't you

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Speaker 1: the stand the butcher, Ingrid's husband, her car, the car

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Speaker 1: in her full are you gonna go? Clown outfit? And

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Speaker 1: And we're back in Derry. The radio station news is

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Speaker 5: Chances we get Jack? And as we go back seasons

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Speaker 1: They tell Lily basically about the fire and that yeah,

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Speaker 1: can give us. So like we're gonna use the entity

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Speaker 1: to get complete control of society. Don't you feel bad, Leroy?

432
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 4: That's good, right?

433
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: Don't you feel better now?

434
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 5: Bitch awards this season? What are you thinking, sir?

435
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: You fool?

436
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 5: Like this show is such an interesting statement on like

437
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: what is fear and where does it reside? And I

438
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 5: think the General, despite being a top marking control of

439
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: the army, has no actual uh interaction with genuine fear

440
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 5: because fear does not help people fall in line, Like

441
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 5: fear is a chaos agent, like people will do anything

442
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: to survive. When you are genuinely terror like specifically terrified,

443
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: your brain does not think like in at its highest

444
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 5: capacity anymore, Like your ability to speak is I think,

445
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: is greatly diminished. Your ability to think cognitively is greatly diminished.

446
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: So like saying you're gonna release fear across the state,

447
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 5: like this is going to have the exact opposite effect.

448
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 5: Do you want? And I think anyone with any kind

449
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 5: of connection to like I don't know battle would know

450
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: that this is a very weird approach. I don't understand it.

451
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: So Leroy is like, well, you know what I'm gonna do.

452
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna snitch you out. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell

453
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: what you're doing here, and he pulls out a gun.

454
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: But then the colonel pulls a gun on him, and

455
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: then the general is like, ha ha, I got you. Now,

456
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: put the pillar in the thing. Put the pillar in

457
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: the It just melted down. Melt it down. It gets melted,

458
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: and you know it is down in the sewer. We

459
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: see him kind of sleeping, but then he wakes up

460
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: and he realized, oh shit, the juice is loose. Like

461
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm loose. I'm out here. I can go anywhere I want.

462
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: And the first place he goes is to Will's house.

463
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Will's there. He answers the phone and it's Ronnie and

464
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: she's upset about Ritchie and she's telling Hi about Richie

465
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: and when she misses him and how she'll miss the

466
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: way his like skin got all like crinkly as the

467
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: fire roasted him alive, and then then the flames took

468
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: him and he turned into delicious like roast human meat.

469
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: And then Will's like, what the fuck? And he realizes

470
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it's the clown. And then Will's like, yeah, well, guess what.

471
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: I know that you eat fear and I'm not scared

472
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: of you anymore. And then penny Wise is like, boot

473
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: scared of me now, and penny Wise is there in

474
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: the kitchen behind him covered in blood, Oh my god, disgusting.

475
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Will turns around and penny Wise hits him with that

476
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: with that mouthbeam, and poor Will is I guess gonna

477
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: be stupefied and stunned. Let's take a quick break and

478
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: discuss this episode. We're back. Let's talk about it.

479
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: Harmen.

480
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: First, Let's bring in the other half of the screen

481
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: prints Carmen, Karmen.

482
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 8: Welcome, ah, hello, call it. Your thoughts of this episode

483
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 8: very exciting. I have my initial thoughts on this episode

484
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 8: was it was hard to watch. I did feel like

485
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 8: the particular scene with the black spot fire, yeah, I was.

486
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 8: I felt like very long. I felt like in particular

487
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 8: like the suffering felt like it lasted a very long time.

488
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 8: And of course you're just like, come on, Ritchie, my guy, like, no,

489
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 8: you're gonna kill yourself for your first love. I think

490
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 8: he had who just no will to live? He had,

491
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 8: he must have had nothing to live, nothing to live

492
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 8: for how I feel.

493
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: Well, I agree too, because if he had any kind

494
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: of fight in him, Yeah, if you had any kind

495
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: of satisfaction with his life or thought of like listen,

496
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: you're just trying to get somewhere with Marge now, like

497
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: futures looking bright.

498
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 8: You're small getting there together.

499
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, like why are we why are we

500
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: giving it all up right now?

501
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 5: There's ay in the fact that there's no panic in

502
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 5: his fac Like on the one hand, you're like, Wow,

503
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: what a brave little soul like boy, we love him.

504
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: But on the other hand, if you think about a

505
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: ten year old trapped in a fire like panic, either

506
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: you exactly, there's there's either the panic off I'm like,

507
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 5: I'm running through the flame trying to find an out,

508
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 5: or the I can't move and I'm I'm sitting still here.

509
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: But but we haven't even Yeah, and it was it

510
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: was a little too at peace. You were like, wait,

511
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 5: I mean.

512
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 8: A full life. You know, he had met everyone on

513
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 8: his bucket list. You know, he had done everything he'd

514
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 8: ever wanted to do, like, and he was at peace.

515
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: My my thing is and this is why I'm like, Richie,

516
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: you got to make I don't want to speak ill

517
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: of the dead, but I think we need better decision

518
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: making here. First of all, the White Night speech he

519
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: had that, you know he'd been pa in the bathroom

520
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: mirror because.

521
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: He had that.

522
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: He had that teed up ready to drop the needle

523
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: right on it, and Marge's in there like, and he's like,

524
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, remember what I said about knights, And she

525
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: was like, are you talking about And then he goes

526
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: into that listen, I agree with you. For a ten

527
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: year old to like not, he the only thing he

528
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: was worried about was getting to the end of that

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: little speech. He couldn't. Yes, yes, he was not worried

530
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: about the flames. He was just like, let me say

531
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: my peace and then and then you will never forget Richie,

532
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: let me tell you that. And I'm just like, I

533
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: just think there was you got her in the box.

534
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: I know I said it before you got her in

535
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the box. Go get one of these logs that fell

536
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: and bust.

537
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 5: Through this wall.

538
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a blanket back there, isn't there.

539
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

540
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 8: Come on, there's got to be a.

541
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 5: Will to live outside of it's outside of the horror

542
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 5: of the episode from a performance that kid nailed that speech,

543
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 5: though I was crying, like, come on, that's a difficult

544
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 5: speech to pull off, I think for any performer, and

545
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: I thought he nailed it.

546
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, the child, the child actors and the show have

547
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 8: continued to be amazing, but we continue to lose them,

548
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 8: you know.

549
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: And so we said everyone was gonna die at this

550
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: time when we were making picture about who's going to

551
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: see the end of this, and we Jason did call you,

552
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 5: was like Richie's death number one, it's happening.

553
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: He's going to you.

554
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: Anyways. We know Will survives, but what is surviv will

555
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: really look like for Will after what we've seeing here,

556
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: I do think we're gonna lose Lily. And I don't

557
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 5: know if I think Marge escapes and it's gonna make

558
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: me so angry.

559
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: I think she.

560
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: Loses her eye and they're like, that's enough on Marge,

561
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 5: and no it's not. I really Lily will to be

562
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: okay at this point. Oh and my girl, Uh.

563
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Ronnie, Ronnie, thank you Ronnie.

564
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: We haven't seen enough of Ronnie in this last episode.

565
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 5: That made me very nervous. It made her feel expendable

566
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: and I think she will.

567
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I think she'll get out of town, right, She'll she'll

568
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: go with Ank to Canada. She'll be Okay, yeah, let's

569
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: talk about the penny Wise of it all. So okay,

570
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I guess this pennise that penny Wise is no longer

571
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: is no longer bound. I'm a little confused as to

572
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: how the cycle interacts with the pen the pen of comet. Right,

573
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: so clearly he can he can wake up from his

574
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: nap and do stuff. But does that mean the cycle

575
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: is still going to be happening just now he can

576
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: roam free.

577
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 5: I think yes. Here's I tend to think about it

578
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 5: as sort of like a more relaxed hibernation now, and

579
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 5: that penny Wise is no longer like he's not confined

580
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: to this space after the deaths, so he can wake up,

581
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 5: move around. But you know, he's he's still full, he

582
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: still had all of his meals. He's sluggish, he's not

583
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: quite awake, so it'll still take him until they But

584
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: I think we do see an increase in like violence

585
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: and activity, but between the times, that's what it seems

586
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 5: to be like when we start in the eighties, Like

587
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: if you think about the hostility of the town.

588
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: Now.

589
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, like when we enter Dary in this TV series,

590
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 5: it's hostile, but it's kind of contained. Oh the kids

591
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: are fighting, let them be boys. Oh there's racism, but

592
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 5: it's America, and what are you gonna do? Right? Yeah,

593
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 5: by the time we get there in the eighties, it's

594
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: like everybody is constantly on edge. All of the parents

595
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: are outwardly consistently awful all of the time. There doesn't

596
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 5: seem to be kind of any like normalcy breaks in it.

597
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 5: And so that's what I think. I think Pennywise is

598
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: like a serial killer who's amping up now.

599
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 8: Just building building his energy.

600
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

601
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. And

602
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 8: also it feels like he's only able to do so

603
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 8: much before he expends all of his energy and then

604
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 8: you know, Okay, now I've done too much. It's time

605
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 8: for me to like go rest and take my bloodbath.

606
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, which I really that shot of penny Wise is

607
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 5: a top tier for me. It's like him with Georgie

608
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: and the sewer is a top one. And then this

609
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 5: even on the fridge was really we got some really

610
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: great creepy Pennywise.

611
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 8: I was going to say a top for me was

612
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 8: the shot the Kubrick Stare at the beginning where we

613
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 8: see the actual entity it looking that it's time to

614
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 8: consume Pennywise the clown, and I do love getting kind

615
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 8: of the lore thereof Basically we learned that it is

616
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 8: only able to take the forms of things that it

617
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 8: has previously consumed, I'm guessing, and so I love that

618
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 8: it loves penny Wise as its favorite form.

619
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think you know that the really creepy line

620
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: from that little kid who was you know, who was it?

621
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: When came out of the woods and talked to the

622
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: original human Pennywise and said, well, the children really seem

623
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: to love you. It's clearly a bid to make it

624
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: both easier to a the attention of kids but also

625
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: scarier for when he does turn. I think that's something, yes,

626
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the entity loves. And I was also wondering about you

627
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: know Ingrid is around. Of course it hit the movies

628
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: and so and then it does take her form at

629
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: a certain point. So it's unclear of just how long

630
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: she or it had been coexisting in that way, but

631
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see, Like, do you think that

632
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: whatever happened after the mouthbeam is that just is that

633
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: it or you just like comatose now for years or whatever,

634
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: or will there be a way out of it? Like

635
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: is that it for Will?

636
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 5: I think this is more about implanting the fear. I'm

637
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 5: gonna go back to it. We saw an early version

638
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 5: of Margin. She's walking down the hallway and it's the

639
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: first time we see Rich see her, and we get

640
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: the little bit of like penny wise eye glare in

641
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: her glasses. Oh yeah, Pennywise consumes you mentally before he

642
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: consumes you physically. And I think because he's catching Will

643
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: at such an intense moment of terror and and Ingrid

644
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 5: as well. If you think about like if she's really

645
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: just coming online and it's like, oh, this is not

646
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 5: my father at all, Like that's probably a horrifying realization

647
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 5: to like confront what you're actually.

648
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 8: Up, Like, ye, okay, can we talk about that part

649
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 8: of it, because that is the that's kind that's always like, oh, really,

650
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 8: we didn't know that, you know that the character with

651
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 8: a mustache on was this character with you know with

652
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 8: that It's like, come on, lady, but I'm wondering what

653
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 8: is that going on there? She just has she gone

654
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 8: so insane and she's so traumatized from all of this,

655
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 8: that like she's willing to believe whatever.

656
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 3: Whatever.

657
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my read on it was that her father's

658
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: disappearance was extremely true monetizing, coming this, coming on the

659
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: heels of whatever had happened to her mom, and that

660
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: clearly the grief had eaten her up to a degree

661
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: that she would do anything to get see her father again.

662
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: And I think maybe there's you know, there's I think

663
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: probably a likelihood that it Pennywise the clown, the new

664
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: Pennywise PwC since that grief and longing and hollowed out,

665
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, hollowed out soul of hers and was able

666
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to exacerbate that situation to use her as a lure

667
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: for kids, which clearly was happening for a while. So

668
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I think that he helped amplify this.

669
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 5: I agree. Okay, So a couple of things. One, she's

670
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 5: abandoned at the circus at eleven in the middle of

671
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 5: the thirties. That's a terrible time to be abandoned at eleven. Yeah,

672
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: not good. Not try to give you anything. You're uh,

673
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 5: you're pretty far east, so you're away from the dustbel

674
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 5: but you are impacted financially. It's just it's it's gonna

675
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 5: be a messy, difficult time for her to come up,

676
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: and we see what kind of relationship she ends up

677
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: in her adulthood. So it's like the amount of trauma

678
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: and survival she's had to do is quite a lot.

679
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: We know that's a draw for penny Wise. We also

680
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 5: have that really interesting conversation before she again turns on

681
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: as like oh you're not my dad, where she was like,

682
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: did I do a good job? It's not the first

683
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: time she's lured people for penny Wise. She had no

684
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: problem taking a little girl down to a creepy basement

685
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 5: of an asylum to be consumed and eaten, and she

686
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: sensibly watched that happen through the door. So she it's

687
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: interesting to me, like, how much of this did you think?

688
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 5: Like my father needed to be murderous? And I have

689
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: no problem helping him do that? Right because why or

690
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: had Pennywise already gotten to her? She's a little like

691
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 5: offline sort of, uh, you know Mike was possessed by

692
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: penny Wise? Can he you know? As the endit as

693
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 5: we've seen the shining sort of have impact on folks

694
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: from a difference, Is it the same thing I'm not

695
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 5: one hundred percent.

696
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 3: We know that we're alone.

697
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 5: Before she grabbed him, He's like, I'm gonna go to sleep,

698
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: But you did good. Great job kid. He was like, yes,

699
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 5: we could have a symbiotic relationship going forward. So I

700
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: don't know, Carmen, I hope we get some more concrete

701
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 5: answers on that in the final episode.

702
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 8: But yeah, basically, Ingrid, she should have been in the

703
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 8: institution the whole time herself, a long time ago.

704
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the people running it definitely needed to be

705
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 5: impacted into it because she again she has no how

706
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: does she cover up the death in the basement, Like,

707
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 5: I have a lot of questions, right, how Ingrid has

708
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 5: been getting away with the Shenanigans.

709
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 8: We know that, Uh, it seems that it is able

710
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 8: to infect people's brains by being in the drinking water

711
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 8: with its doo doo as far as far as.

712
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: We've seen, we're drinking his duty and that's that's how

713
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: he's able to do it. Here's my thing, Okay, so

714
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: you know this is it and it Welcome to darry Are.

715
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Largely they're like a Kaiju movie in that the Kaiju

716
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: is not often the actual bad, right. I think the

717
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: bad guy is the General. So my question to you,

718
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: and like this is, if we're following the kind of

719
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: horror movie formula, general got to come to about it,

720
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: like he gotta die at the end.

721
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: He's die.

722
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: The question is, and it's gotta be Pennywise doing the

723
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: Tashimi number on his on his face. But the question

724
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: is how I feel like that will happen? To agree

725
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: or disagree?

726
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: Agree entirely.

727
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 8: I'm Stiller and I'll make it quick here. But I

728
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 8: personally am just waiting for the the atomic bomb it

729
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 8: all to come into play. And so I would love

730
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 8: us to see some like cartoon anvil version of just

731
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 8: like an atomic bomb being dropped on this guy's head.

732
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 8: But that's my that's my dream for what that could

733
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 8: be a really.

734
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: Fun uh kubrick esque like montage or montage, but like

735
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 5: like owed to Kubrick with the atomic bomb at the end.

736
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: Get someone on a cowboy with a cowboy hat on

737
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 5: a bomb or something. Let's make it work. Here's what

738
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: I would like to see happen. I feel like the

739
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: General is acting without the authority of his superiors. I

740
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: feel like he is most definitely rogue nation out here,

741
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: and so it would be interesting to see come in

742
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 5: and be like, I'm sorry, what is the plan? Absolutely

743
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: not for the government.

744
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: They need to be afraid so they listen. You get

745
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: it right page No. So yeah, that.

746
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 5: And I think because we've seen our big disaster, Like

747
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: I'm wondering, you guys know how I feel about a

748
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: penultimate episode. That's where your action is. You want to

749
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 5: use your next episode to set up your at tension

750
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 5: for the next season. So we had our big action

751
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: sequence with the fire. I'm curious to see, like what

752
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 5: are both the ramifications for our leftover parties, Like Charlotte

753
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: has to do something major. She's been spending this whole

754
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: time sort of talking about revolution and not really wanting

755
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 5: to be here. Now her kid's in trouble, her man

756
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: is definitely in trouble, Like I need to see Charlotte,

757
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 5: hopefully not too superwomany because we know how they be

758
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 5: dealing with black women. But also, if you look at

759
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 5: the posters, it kind of sent her Charlotte as like

760
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 5: your main protagonist, Like she's closest in the foreground of

761
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: most of the posters. She's looking back at the camera

762
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: where her husband and son are looking forward, and so

763
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 5: I think like we're gonna see her blossom into her

764
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 5: full potential, and I'm very excited about that. I'm also

765
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: excited to see what is any little springlings we get

766
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 5: about the next season. I cannot believe we're gonna go

767
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: back in time, and I think how they build that up,

768
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: both our anticipation for going back, but also the lingering results,

769
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 5: like what hasn't been wrapped up from this coming season

770
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 5: that happens previously. It's like a real kind of time fuck.

771
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 5: But I think the Mushi Eddies can nail it, So

772
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: I'm excited to see that. What are you hoping for

773
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: in the finale, Jason, I am hoping for.

774
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: A moment in which the General says, let me talk

775
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: to the club some buddy, here's well and he and

776
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: he basically is like, you know, gives him the whole.

777
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm the General and uh, and listen, we're gonna let

778
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: you eat kids. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be

779
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: a great situation for followers. You're gonna love it. We

780
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: got listen, we got commies, we got protests, we got ampies.

781
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: I need you to eat them, okay, And you're gonna

782
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: get to eat lots of people, but the people, and

783
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: at which point it turns around and eats the general.

784
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: That's okay, yeah, yeah yeah. What about you, Karma? What

785
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: do you need out of the finale?

786
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 8: I need to see Charlotte get across the border with Leroy.

787
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 8: I need to know that Leroy and Ronnie are made

788
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 8: safe across the border. We don't have to worry about them.

789
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 8: We go back in time. I have to see where

790
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 8: the uh where the sewer where? Who's building the sewers?

791
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 8: What's the story of the sewers? Are we gonna get this?

792
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 8: What's how? How did we bid? How did he find

793
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 8: the sewers? You know, I just got to know because

794
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 8: that is so very fascinating. There's all that water. Everybody

795
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 8: in town is using that for all their business number

796
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 8: one and number two. And you mean to tell me

797
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 8: that people's toilets are not overflowing, And well, I guess

798
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 8: they are, but come on, we got I have some

799
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 8: plumbing problems, so I want to know what's going on

800
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 8: down there on the sewers.

801
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: That's a good point. And now I also am wondering.

802
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: I know we had talked a little bit about like, okay,

803
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: if the prison is disrupted and penny Wise is out, Like,

804
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 5: what is this time between now and the eighties when

805
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 5: the movies happens. Yeah, look like I'm wondering now too.

806
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 5: We know that Lily has a shard of uh like

807
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 5: whatever keeps the entity at bay. All we gotta do

808
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 5: is put that back into turtle shells and bury it. Right?

809
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 5: Is the prison reformed? Do we see Lily team up

810
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 5: with Rose and they kind of put this thing back together?

811
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: I would be okay with this, maybe, I think, Or

812
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: does he need to? No? Yes, I think I do

813
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: need to see the prison made whole. I'm gonna I'm

814
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: gonna go back on my original because a while I

815
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 5: do like an amped up penny Wise, I think letting

816
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: him roam so free makes It's making less sense to

817
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: me the more I think about it. So kind of

818
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: hoping we see the prison put back together.

819
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: I do wonder as well, because like, why hasn't he

820
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: spread then beyond dry? And why does Darry? Why do

821
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: the memory effects only seem to happen around Darry. We're

822
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna find out more about it, I hope. So.

823
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 8: I think it's got to do with the water management system.

824
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: It's all that poop it's all that. It's all that anyways, poop. Well,

825
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then're going back with

826
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: our interview with Chris Chalk plays Dick Calerin in it.

827
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: Welcome to Darry. You're gonna want to hear this. And

828
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: we're back now we're going to play Rosie's interview with

829
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: the great Chris Chalk plays Dick Calerin in it. Welcome

830
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: to Darry. Chris.

831
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 9: Thank you so much for joining me today on x

832
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 9: ray Vision. I appreciate you taking the time.

833
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on x ray Vision.

834
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, we are huge fans of the show, huge fans

835
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: of you.

836
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 7: Obviously, this is a nerd podcast, so we're the kind

837
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 7: of people who knew exactly who Lucius was when that

838
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 7: role was cast. But how did Dick Calarin into your life?

839
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: First time I met Dick Hallerine was watching The Shining.

840
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Second time was reading the book The Shining, not remembering

841
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: any of that. To be on, I remember the movie

842
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: more than the book at that point before I booked it.

843
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: Then I was in la and I hadn't worked in

844
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: a while, and I was getting irritated, and I got

845
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: a call from casting to come in and read this part,

846
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: and I read the script and thought, well, I saw

847
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: the name and thought, this is cool, Like, I know

848
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: who Dick halerin isles. Let's see what these words are.

849
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: I saw the words, loved the words. It was the scene.

850
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 3: I know it was more than this, but the one

851
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: I remember the most is him talking to Leroy about

852
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: Dick talking to Leroy about his the cost of the powers,

853
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: and I just really resonated with the vulnerability. I'm like

854
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: a vulnerability guru. I just think it's everything. We should

855
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: all just be striving to be vulnerable. So too, while

856
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: being at this stage of my personal life of thinking this,

857
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: getting a character who's I know is going to do

858
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: this kind of material was interesting. And then once you

859
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: get the scripts as we're going and seeing that Dick

860
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: Helenon is only about vulnerability. In fact, this poor guy

861
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: is like afraid wire. This guy's a mess, and I

862
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: like that he comes in so confident and bored, and

863
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: then he's.

864
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 7: I'm really glad that you bought that up because something

865
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 7: that I a this is an incredible episode me and

866
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 7: incredible producer Joe Well.

867
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 9: She's part of our scream Queen's crew.

868
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: We love horror.

869
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 9: We were talking about.

870
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 7: It's such a just devastating episode, and there's so many

871
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 7: different complexities and layers in it, and it's all really

872
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 7: been leading.

873
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 9: To this moment, and there is so much there to

874
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 9: pick apart.

875
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 7: But the first thing I want to say is I'm

876
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 7: glad you brought that up about Dick's confidence, because like

877
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 7: that moment, we've seen so much of Dick struggling, so

878
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 7: much of the box being opened, so much of him

879
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 7: having to deal with this power and deal with being

880
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 7: exploited by the government, but we've rarely gotten to see

881
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 7: the charm and the hey, I can fix everything, don't

882
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 7: worry about it.

883
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 9: When he walks out into the club. You absolutely brought that.

884
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 7: So could you talk a little bit about that moment,

885
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 7: because it's kind of this tipping point where it feels

886
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 7: like Dick's actually going to save the day.

887
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 9: And not with the shining, just with being himself.

888
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: I think Dick's entire objective once he gets caught by

889
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: the government the entity of the government, is to find

890
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: his peace. And the last time he felt his piece

891
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: was in New Orleans, cooking, hanging out with the fellas,

892
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: pretty girls around loud music, and those are the things

893
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: that I decided keep the fear and keep the triggers away.

894
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: So after this huge moment of being at his most vulnerable,

895
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: that he knows being at the most vulnerable of his

896
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: life thus far, with the box open, he found he

897
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: can still hold on to hope. It's like crossing his

898
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: fingers hold on to hope when he walks into that

899
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: space and go, wait, this is I built this safety.

900
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: We're safe. This thing has never nothing's ever happened here

901
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: this place. I got this for the Fellas, so the

902
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: Fellas are here. It's loud enough, even though I'm a

903
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: little drunker than I would like to be, but I'm

904
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: still working on this. This thing it feels it's I

905
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: think it's like the one of the few moments he

906
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 3: feels good after episode three. Yeah, and in fact, it

907
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: might be one of the only moments that feels like, oh,

908
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: there's a reason to live for Dick. And I think

909
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: that also encourages that that's a necessary light because if

910
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: it had gone from that walk into the black spot

911
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: fire mm hmmm, he left no way gone. But to

912
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: get that little dopamin feedback of thank goodness, there is

913
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: this is nice. Not everybody's thoughts are bad. Not everybody's

914
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: trying to kill me. This is great.

915
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 7: What does it feel like for you as a performer

916
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 7: inhabiting that character and kind of having to deal with

917
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 7: the dramatic irony of like, you know where it's going.

918
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 7: You know that that moment of hope is going to

919
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 7: be followed by the greatest hopelessness and horror that he

920
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 7: can imagine? How do you keep true to the hope

921
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 7: while knowing what comes next and allowing yourself to prepare

922
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 7: yourself for that massive amount of vulnerability.

923
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 4: That that takes.

924
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: On the other side of this, you build all the

925
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: hope in the world. You make him the happiest he's

926
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: ever been. You make him so happy he's never seen

927
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: this joy in his life, because it's that much more

928
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: fun when he gets the carpet rit from underneath him.

929
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: I think some of that is part of the dramaturgy

930
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: and script development of going how much can I get

931
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: away with giving the audience something and then taking it

932
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: away from them based on, of course the script not

933
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: trying to add too much, but and that is a

934
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: that was a like a layup they gave it to me,

935
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: Like how happy can he get really quickly? Just before

936
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: the worst, the next worst thing that has ever happened

937
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: to him happens, and then it's just this, like falling

938
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: down a broken ladder of hitting his head over and

939
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: over again, like it's worse. Wait, it's worse than this.

940
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 3: It's somehow worse than this. Why am I alive? Mm hmm.

941
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 7: But I would also argue, you know, he also gets

942
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 7: in that moment as we explore that scenery to allow

943
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: himself to connect back with the power for something incredible,

944
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 7: which is to save the kids, which adds that level

945
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 7: of the hope. So could you talk a little bit

946
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 7: about what that moment means for Dick after shutting that

947
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 7: away for so long, actually making that choice in that moment.

948
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: I think as soon as Dick makes that choice, he

949
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: thinks it's a fool's there, and he thinks he's an asshole.

950
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 3: He thinks he's an asshole. He's like, what am I doing?

951
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: Fuck these kids?

952
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 5: You know?

953
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: And I think he is so busy surviving that his

954
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: truth comes out and he happens to be learning it

955
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: at the same time as the audience. I don't think

956
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 3: it's hope when he saves those kids, it's instinct. It's

957
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: the promise to Hank, like I'll get the kids, just

958
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: go It's the if I don't save this kid one.

959
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: If I let Hank go in and save the kid

960
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: and something happens to him, I lose Charlotte, I lose Will,

961
00:53:53,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: I lose Leroy. And that is the only thing I think, Dick,

962
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: that's where the hope is that in the concept of

963
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: family and love. So there's something about if that kid

964
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: was older, maybe not, maybe not, that was like fifteen,

965
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: it's like a good luck, Kiddle.

966
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 4: Good job you can you can figure it out, You'll

967
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: be okay, don't worry about it.

968
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 7: So one of the things that I've really loved in

969
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 7: this iteration of Dick and of the Shining and of

970
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 7: the kind of King universe as well, is it is

971
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 7: just the thoughtful space that having a TV show give.

972
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 7: So you and Jovan have been able to with Lee worry.

973
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 7: Like that conversation you guys have where you talk about

974
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 7: the Shining for the first time in your powers and

975
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 7: his response is yeah, everyone could do that, Like everyone

976
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 7: knows someone who could do that. There's such like a

977
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 7: natural feeling to the way that we're talking about these

978
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 7: things that, while in the show are treated as supernatural,

979
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 7: do come from places of law and oral storytelling and

980
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 7: even depending on what people believe powers. So and you

981
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 7: actually spoke to like real practitioners, right, mister my circle,

982
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 7: Could you talk a little bit about why that was

983
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 7: so important, because I think it is adding a lot

984
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 7: that we've never really gotten to see before.

985
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, how do I want to get into that.

986
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: We very much believe in magic in my house because

987
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: my people are You can still see American slavery on

988
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: my family, and I know that a lot of the

989
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: survival of slavery was witchcraft or things we would demonize

990
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: or call witchcraft. And I believe that there are many

991
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: many things we can call it science. We can call

992
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 3: it whatever we want that we don't understand, and we

993
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: love to pretend we do, but we don't.

994
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: We don't know anything.

995
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: Ask me how to make water, I can't do it.

996
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: And so and then having I remember when we went

997
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: to South Africa, we went to a same goma. We

998
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: tend to like, why not try everything on Earth at

999
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: least twice. First time, it's too scary, so it doesn't count.

1000
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: But the second time you might find a great discovery.

1001
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: But we've had mediums after parents died, We've had We

1002
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 3: went to the Hoodoo Fest in New Orleans in twenty

1003
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: twenty five to look at like African traditional religions and

1004
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: the magic of that. And because I know that those

1005
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: things are real to someone, anyone, I have to honor it.

1006
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: And if I can find a way to make every

1007
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 3: moment a human moment, then I don't have to play pretend.

1008
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: I can just exist. And so watching those people, interviewing

1009
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: those people talking, especially the Hudu vest, was very interesting

1010
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 3: because I learned more than I That's the most I'd

1011
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: ever learned. I'd never been just for four days in

1012
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: a space about that. My wife is an herbalist and

1013
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: so in addition to being a filmmaker.

1014
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, and all of further multi talented.

1015
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 3: I mean, she's pretty, she's pretty thirdly talented. People are like, oh, Chris,

1016
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: she's so lucky.

1017
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, like, we love a wife shower on here,

1018
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 4: so you can.

1019
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm the lucky bozo over here. I'm like,

1020
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: she does all the things I do. Two of them, guys,

1021
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: catch up.

1022
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: Catch up.

1023
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: It's a misogynist world that ain't got nothing to do

1024
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: with skill. But because I honor my wife. I honor

1025
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: our habit full of herbs, and magic is real, it's

1026
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: real self real. They helped my wife sendometriosis when medicine didn't.

1027
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 7: I have I have cornic health issues, and abolism is

1028
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 7: one of the things that works, you know.

1029
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: And so I very much believe in not just using

1030
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 3: the magic that people tell me exists, but finding the

1031
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: magic that is their bolting and honoring the people and

1032
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: honestly honoring the fact that that is a real thing.

1033
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: And that is part of being an African American human

1034
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 3: being in America is that these were things that were

1035
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: used to heal and to hide and to protect. And

1036
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: that made it easy to approach Dick because it's like, well,

1037
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: it seems mysticism to everyone else is like this crazy thing.

1038
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: But you have to learn how to drive a car

1039
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: if your character drives a car. They got to learn

1040
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: how to you know, plant a tree, if your character

1041
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: plants a tree. And that was it was just honoring

1042
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: what is the truthful version of this? And then how

1043
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: can I add the parts of this that I I

1044
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: don't have a reference for.

1045
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I love that, and I love that.

1046
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 7: Part of that has been this relationship between Leroy and

1047
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 7: Dick and these two black men who do get to

1048
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 7: have this kind of burgeoning friendship and also get to

1049
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 7: experience like the what the fuck of it all together,

1050
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 7: because often it's like the one person who has to

1051
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 7: deal with it and they're by themselves. Could you talk

1052
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 7: about you guys getting to reunite on this project and

1053
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 7: kind of what it's been like for you guys to

1054
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 7: come together and work and build this really important relationship

1055
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 7: within this universe that we've really never seen before.

1056
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: I smile big because I love Jovon and it took

1057
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: a lot to make him love me.

1058
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: I don't believe it.

1059
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 3: It's well because he's an introvert, like I'm an ambrovert,

1060
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: So like I understood, I was like, ah, he needs

1061
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: he he's not social. This kid is very like to himself.

1062
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: And so.

1063
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: When I booked it, I remember driving from a from

1064
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: A Tofu place that was so good. I can't remember

1065
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: the name of him. It was so good. It's in

1066
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 3: It's in Korea town. It was unbelievable, And Jovon calls

1067
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: me and he says, hey, dude, what are you doing

1068
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: next summer? And that's when I just learned. When I'm

1069
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: book I booked it, and what I'm doing, I said,

1070
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: because you can't tell anybody. Yeah, weird question, but you know,

1071
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm just don't worry about it. I'm doing a short film.

1072
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: Can I get you to be in my short film?

1073
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: Because I know because I respect it, He does all

1074
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: this this shit because I respect you, and you.

1075
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: Know, we're wanting to work together.

1076
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: And I was like, dog, I would love to, but

1077
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: I just booked something and it gives me the run

1078
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: around and then eventually goes, I know, dog, I'm in

1079
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: it too. And ever since that moment, I've been so

1080
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: happy that because Joe Run we came, We've done the

1081
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: same role, you know, and I actually was up for

1082
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 3: and when they see us, I was up for the

1083
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: role that he booked, but I didn't have time to

1084
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: do that role. So it's like we have so much crossover.

1085
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: And he likes to make fun of me because he's

1086
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 3: obviously in the Fences that people watched.

1087
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 7: I was gonna be like, I was gonna be like,

1088
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 7: how you guys, is the Fences thing still a beef?

1089
01:00:59,360 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: You guys?

1090
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 4: It's really you did the real Corey Maxon.

1091
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 5: No.

1092
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: I mean, like we did have a moment on set

1093
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: where this kid came up to him and effusively told

1094
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: him he was amazing as Corey Maxon and then he

1095
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: and Jovon looks at me. It kind of looks because

1096
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: he's bigger than me, looks down at me and goes, ah,

1097
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: the kids like me.

1098
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: The Corey multivius. It's good.

1099
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 7: Well, what's it been like to get to bring that

1100
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 7: to this relationship? I'm assuming helpful because these two are

1101
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 7: two very different characters in the show. They have a journey,

1102
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 7: but there has to be a quick ease for the

1103
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 7: story to work.

1104
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: Jovon and I get Eventually. I had to move around

1105
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: a lot in Toronto because I'm just like that space

1106
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: is important for me. So eventually I ended up moving

1107
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: to It's funny. I lived in Stephen's neighborhood and we

1108
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: hung out every day. And then I left Stephen's neighborhood

1109
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: and he was so set, but I moved half a

1110
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: block from Jovon. Oh wow, knock on his window. You

1111
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: want to make Jovon mad on his window and get

1112
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: his dog riled up. I knock on his I go

1113
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: to the window and scream Luke, that's his dog's name,

1114
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: And Luke would get riled up, and then Jovon would say, bro,

1115
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm not home. You're getting my dog agitated. You got

1116
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: to stop. And he used to close his windows because

1117
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: he knew I was gonna come by. I used to

1118
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: take pictures. I would drive my homeboy's house or walk

1119
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 3: by and just do like videos. I'm watching you, Joe.

1120
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: And that led to Jovon being a little more comfortable,

1121
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: a little more social. Now we talk every single day.

1122
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 3: I love him so much. I can't even be objective

1123
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 3: with him anymore, because like I love him, I like

1124
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 3: I can see his beautiful little heart and his great intention,

1125
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: and he's constantly trying to get better. And he know

1126
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 3: he came into this industry with so much fortune and

1127
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: from such a different angle than say like a me

1128
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: and a jove On I'm sorry, me and a Steph

1129
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: who did training in theater, and like we've been and

1130
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 3: he has such a respect for his way of coming

1131
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: in and our way of coming in, and we were

1132
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 3: able to like be verily. I mean, like, I'm not

1133
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: super egotistical anyway, but neither is he. So it was

1134
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: very easy. Once I stopped getting on his nerves to

1135
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: walk around. We would go to Trinity Bellwood's Park and

1136
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: just walk and then Steph would come hang out with

1137
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: us and we walked. One time we walked and got

1138
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: lost and we walked like three miles. I was so irritated.

1139
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: And that connection allowed us to be able to ask

1140
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: for help. Yeah, and we walk around and do the

1141
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: lines for our scene because Andy can be so visual.

1142
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 3: So in days that we knew it's gonna be heavy visuals,

1143
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 3: we were like, let's go do the emotional work. Let's

1144
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: go so that we're prepared. Let us go and do

1145
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: our job. You know, we know it's tomorrow. Let's prepare

1146
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: for what's tomorrow in the fullest way possible. And to

1147
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: be able to have someone who can kind of in

1148
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: a in an egoless way, go, yeah, we should, We

1149
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: really should go do that because it's what else are

1150
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: we doing. Yeah, that's the whole point. That's why we're

1151
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: here in Toronto shooting the thing. Why not use all

1152
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: this time we can to connect and make the show

1153
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: as good as possible. And I do think we did

1154
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 3: our very best at that and I love actually at

1155
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: the beginning, we didn't hang out a lot.

1156
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 9: And you can tell, yeah, you could tell you, but

1157
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 9: it makes sense, and I love that kind of suits

1158
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 9: the characters.

1159
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: Also, I loved it.

1160
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 9: You were like, I can't be objective because you know,

1161
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 9: I love him and I know him.

1162
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 4: I can't be.

1163
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 7: Objective because I saw Overlord when I like first ever

1164
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 7: moved here.

1165
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like a star.

1166
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: I literally show dude.

1167
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 7: I wrote an article about that movie basically being like,

1168
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 7: this is the best Captain America movie we will never

1169
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 7: get and Jovan is the best Steve Rodgers and we

1170
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 7: have been blessed and I love this and it's incredible

1171
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 7: and it was so deep and yeah, he's amazing, and

1172
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 7: I'm so glad you guys got to work on it

1173
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 7: together because it's so fun. And this is also like

1174
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 7: going back to just for you, though you do obviously

1175
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 7: have your crew and stuff, this is like a very

1176
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 7: storied role. You are in kind of a different situation

1177
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 7: because with Dick, we're coming into this show and he's

1178
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 7: been played by you know, Melvin Van Peebles, Scatman Carrathers,

1179
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 7: Carl Lumley, another favorite iconic Captain America actor. Like, what

1180
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 7: does that feel like to get to add so much?

1181
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 7: Because you really are getting to add a lot more

1182
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 7: about what we know about Dick and how his powers work.

1183
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 7: How does it get to feel to add that and

1184
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 7: be in collaboration with those actors who brought him luck

1185
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 7: to life before I could.

1186
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: I got chills just now when you ask that question,

1187
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: because it's like a thing that shouldn't be important. It's

1188
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: pretty cool. It's a thing that's like I don't want

1189
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: to add value to for my own mental health. That

1190
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 3: when someone that like someone said this, they said, You're

1191
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 3: going to be the reason someone watches the Shining True.

1192
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 3: I almost cried, dude, yeah, I because I didn't think

1193
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 3: about it that way.

1194
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.

1195
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 3: I usually try not to attach to what the public

1196
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: is because I don't want to get I don't want

1197
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: to get excited. I've gotten excited a lot and been like, oh,

1198
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: I was too attached to that.

1199
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 5: That didn't work out the way I thought it was.

1200
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 7: I have written in my life so many articles. I'm

1201
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 7: lucky enough now I write comic books and get tell

1202
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 7: my own stories and stuff. But I started as a journalist,

1203
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 7: and I wrote so many articles that people hated or

1204
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 7: people disagreed with or and you know, I'm writing about

1205
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 7: nerdy type stuff, so you know, yeah. So, and I'm

1206
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 7: a woman and I'm writing my d so it was

1207
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 7: a lot. But I will say, like, you have the

1208
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 7: right idea, the disconnection is safe for the mental health.

1209
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 7: But I think in this case specifically and just in

1210
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 7: general in our lives, it is good to recognize that

1211
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 7: it's like a huge moment for you, you know, and

1212
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 7: that's for your own mental health as well, Like, hey,

1213
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 7: recognize where you're at and kind of what this means

1214
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 7: in the canon of this character, and it will be

1215
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 7: the first time kids see this character.

1216
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: I was on the subway. I've been in a lot

1217
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: of things. I've been doing this a long time, but

1218
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: mostly my audience has been like people who like cinema,

1219
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: you know, people who want to hurt themselves and twelve

1220
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: years of sleeve, you know, and that's not.

1221
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 5: A lot of yeah, yeah, yeah.

1222
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: And I was on the subway going to something and

1223
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: these four little black boys they were like, he kept

1224
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 3: looking at me. He kept looking and I knew, so

1225
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to make eye contact

1226
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: because I don't know if he's gonna yell at me

1227
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: or not. And eventually it was these little boys just

1228
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: saying thank you for being on the show. I love

1229
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: you on the show. And it's not a demographic that

1230
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: outside of Gotham gives a shit about me, but it's

1231
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: my most it's where I'm aiming little I'm aiming for

1232
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 3: little Chris, you know what I mean, the little boy.

1233
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: They didn't get to see himself that much. And that

1234
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: is a day that I said, I think, I texted.

1235
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 3: We have a big text chain, and I text I'm

1236
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: so grateful for everybody because we've made it so that

1237
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: I can show my appreciation to a bigger group of people.

1238
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: And that's kind of the gig. I mean, that's the

1239
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: way I interpret the gig is like, how can I

1240
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 3: serve as many people as possible, whether it be through

1241
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: entertainment or showing them themselves. And this has really nothing else.

1242
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: I've never done anything that anybody gave this care this

1243
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: much about.

1244
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 8: You know.

1245
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 4: I did, of course, of course, and I will tell

1246
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 4: you you did.

1247
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 9: It's just about whether or not you got to meet

1248
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 9: those people.

1249
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 4: Yet, Oh that's a show, because a show like this, a.

1250
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 7: Show like this, everyone's watching it and kids are watching it,

1251
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 7: and that's so cool and amazing. But all the weird

1252
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 7: shit that you think somebody didn't love they love it.

1253
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: The fact was ever on a show we.

1254
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 7: Still just that still blows on mine every single day

1255
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 7: thinking about just that fact.

1256
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 4: You know, so you haven't met them yet.

1257
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 7: But also this is a big scale up for sure,

1258
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 7: Like Subway four kids, this is probably the show they're

1259
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 7: all talking about with their friends. Yeah, you know, that's

1260
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 7: really cool.

1261
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 3: It's we did a thing last night even and I

1262
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: met god I met this venture capitalist and I don't

1263
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: know why I'm a fan of a benure Catholic. It

1264
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: is nothing like we're talking like apples and oranges. I

1265
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 3: don't know what the fuck he's talking about. And when

1266
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: I met him and he liked the show, it was like, oh,

1267
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't have to work hard at all to connect

1268
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 3: with someone who I'm so inspired by.

1269
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you it Welcome to Darry exactly.

1270
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 9: It the that is sometimes the power and the trapping.

1271
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 7: And you know this because Batman Godzilla, now you're in

1272
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 7: this space like you know the trapping. But this is

1273
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 7: such a legendary character in the show. Is giving you

1274
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 7: so much time to breathe that I think more people

1275
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 7: are gonna you know, enjoy the work. And yes, I

1276
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 7: think I'm getting I think we're getting timed out. So

1277
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 7: that was a really beautiful lost answer. But I'm gonna

1278
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 7: you know, it's been like twenty five minutes. We're only

1279
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 7: meant to have twenty.

1280
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 9: I don't want to.

1281
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 7: I don't want to take up your day, but you

1282
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 7: know what, but that is to protect you and your

1283
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 7: energy in your life.

1284
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 9: But you are well.

1285
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 7: First of all, you're most welcome to come back at

1286
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 7: any time, like absolutely anytime, you always welcome. And also

1287
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 7: I will ask you one question, one final, less processing,

1288
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 7: less emotional question, because we've been debating.

1289
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 4: It a lot.

1290
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Speaker 7: Okay, how do you read what Hallarin meant when he

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Speaker 7: told the major he had no fear?

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Speaker 9: Because we've been talking about that a lot.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what you think.

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Speaker 4: We're still working it out.

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Speaker 7: Because we've seen him actually like his love and for

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Speaker 7: his children and his love as a father like that

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Speaker 7: created fear for him in the tunnels. You know, we've

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Speaker 7: talked about it a lot. And then my friend Joe,

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Speaker 7: like obviously Joel, who you met earlier, who often comes,

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Speaker 7: who is one of our correspondents, told me, you know, well,

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Speaker 7: maybe they just think he's the army thinks he's not

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Speaker 7: scared because he's a black guy who survived. Maybe it's

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Speaker 7: actually nothing to do with his own emotional feelings about you.

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Speaker 3: Kind of resonate with being a black woman in America,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it, like, because you are this thing, we've put

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Speaker 3: this unnecessary amount of burden on and we've built to

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Speaker 3: this superhero as a black woman and or Jovi on

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Speaker 3: who He's gonna love that I just said, he's a

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Speaker 3: black woman.

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Speaker 4: That's the biggest compliment he can get.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be like, thanks, dude, you really respect me.

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Speaker 3: And that's true. Uh, it does have a little bit

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Speaker 3: to do with that. And I do think that he

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Speaker 3: doesn't experience fear in the traditional way and penny Wise

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Speaker 3: found this is my opinion. I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, this is just fearing is canon conversation.

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Speaker 3: I think penny Wise is that good at his job.

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Speaker 9: Mm hm, I agree. I think he's teaching the major

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Speaker 9: how to fear by showing him what he.

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Speaker 7: Values, which ironically is going to make him a much

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Speaker 7: tougher person to defeat.

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Speaker 3: For Pennywise, that's my that's the route I took, Especially

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Speaker 3: after seeing the edit, I went, oh, okay, so he

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Speaker 3: does feel something like that's close enough to fear that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: penny Wise must be pretty good at his job.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, he's pretty scary. That new episode.

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Speaker 7: We didn't even talk about episode seven, so scary penny

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Speaker 7: Wise action Pennywise.

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Speaker 3: Penny Wise said, I'm here. Now, you guys wanted me, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Here, he said, I hope you didn't have any complaints

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Speaker 4: about how I wasn't in the show.

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Speaker 3: Enough because now and I'm hungry.

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Speaker 4: I'm hungry for humans. Well, thank you so much, Chris.

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Speaker 4: And this was a joy.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, anytime, if you're enjoying a show, if you've

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Speaker 7: got something you want to promote, if you want to

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Speaker 7: come on and talk about something you love, just come back.

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Speaker 1: It was a joy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 9: Have a good day.

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Speaker 1: This week on X ray Vision, we're giving out our

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Speaker 1: end of the Year awards. Stay tuned for that. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Carmen, Thank you to Joel. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 8: Hie bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Scepcion. I'm Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 7: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Klefman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is abusafar.

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Speaker 7: Our producers are Calm and Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 7: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 7: Heidi our discord moderator