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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Savannah Humoller, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: And it is a Tuesday, which is actually a Friday.
Speaker 3: Where's our fight song? Friday? We do have a show tomorrow,
Speaker 3: but technically in the Cowboys world, it's Friday. Out on
Speaker 3: the practice field, you, Chris, why are they on the
Speaker 3: practice field? I thought this was a rejuvenation day, Mickey
Speaker 3: walk through.
Speaker 4: It's what they normally Okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, I thought, I say pants, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Helmets by choice. No, it's November. There, it's no pad November.
Speaker 3: But this is they were.
Speaker 4: They were trying out their color rush helmets. That's the
Speaker 4: only guys.
Speaker 3: That had noose on.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So when you said fifty nine, you know,
Speaker 4: it came to my mind.
Speaker 3: Well wait wait, I said fifty nine before we were
Speaker 3: on the air. Yes, okay, there were numbers that were
Speaker 3: thrown out. I have no idea what they had to
Speaker 3: do anything with. But as as you all know the
Speaker 3: way we keep track of numbers is we correlate them
Speaker 3: to cowboys, right, and so number fifty nine, who's your number?
Speaker 3: Fifty nine?
Speaker 4: It was Derek Brownlow.
Speaker 3: Derek Brownlow is your number fifty nine.
Speaker 2: Don't remember?
Speaker 4: I think he was your teammate.
Speaker 5: Let me look it up.
Speaker 3: Brownlow was in the ninety one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not that farg going.
Speaker 3: So who is your fifty nine, Jesse Penn? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: need to look at it.
Speaker 2: Ernie Simms.
Speaker 3: Ernie Simms was fifty nine, Yeah, for six pick in
Speaker 3: the draft out of Florida State for one si. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and wait, I need I need to look see if
Speaker 3: I got mine right before I say it on the air,
Speaker 3: it was that fifty nine. Oh no, he wasn't fifty nine.
Speaker 3: Never mind, I won't say it. That guy Brown was
Speaker 3: fifty nine.
Speaker 5: That's correct, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: And that win.
Speaker 4: Remember when everybody made a big deal last year because
Speaker 4: they signed Tat McKinley. He wore number fifty nine and
Speaker 4: I don't think he ever played.
Speaker 2: Is that a big deal everybody?
Speaker 4: It was another name? Remember a guy that was high
Speaker 4: draft pick, high draft pick, and they brought him in and.
Speaker 2: He was a high draft. Yeah, it was just another
Speaker 2: draft bus Huh. That's why I was waiting for drafted
Speaker 2: free agency.
Speaker 3: But that's a fun game to play every now and then.
Speaker 3: Is just throw out a number and who do you
Speaker 3: remember was your cowboy player that comes to mind when
Speaker 3: you say the number.
Speaker 2: I could do that the entire podcast.
Speaker 3: We'll start with number.
Speaker 2: One right all the way down that way through.
Speaker 3: All right, So, Mickey, we have football players in football
Speaker 3: field on it. It's Friday on a Friday that is
Speaker 3: actually Tuesday on the calendar.
Speaker 4: And I think that when Mike was asked about injuries,
Speaker 4: he seemed optimistic about jay Ron curse, so that bodes
Speaker 4: well for having him.
Speaker 3: He would be number one.
Speaker 4: And rink O'Donnell who who is? Who? What number of
Speaker 4: rico O'Donnell?
Speaker 5: Whatever?
Speaker 2: We whatever?
Speaker 3: We say a players day, we have to say the.
Speaker 5: Number, just on this podcast.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I don't think.
Speaker 3: Rinco' donald's good to go.
Speaker 4: Go Okay, Dak Prescott not on not on maternity leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering we could bring that up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how delicate that situation?
Speaker 4: He talked all about it.
Speaker 6: Okay, babies do in March.
Speaker 2: Oh that nursery had to be up then that's right, right,
Speaker 2: they gotta have that thing going.
Speaker 4: Hopefully he doesn't have to worry about it during the
Speaker 4: football season, right.
Speaker 3: So they're far enough along that they know the gender,
Speaker 3: so they do be a girl a girl dad.
Speaker 2: I had a girl first as well.
Speaker 5: They're the best.
Speaker 3: I had a girl every time, yeah, everything, you know,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: Better than having a boy.
Speaker 4: They're the best until they hit sixteen.
Speaker 2: The boys are the worst all the time.
Speaker 6: Why are you looking at me?
Speaker 7: Just?
Speaker 4: I just I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't you were just you were just scanning the
Speaker 2: scanning anybody else we're not.
Speaker 5: My daughter was great the whole time.
Speaker 3: Which one you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the Sun's you know, because in the beginning
Speaker 2: we are the worst. Man we are just dumb, sl ippy, dirty,
Speaker 2: you know. But women, you know, my daughter, she was
Speaker 2: at twelve years old, she was mature.
Speaker 4: The emotions didn't bounce it off the wall.
Speaker 2: I had the emotions, but you know, she was articular,
Speaker 2: you know, right away at twelve years old. We put
Speaker 2: her on the answer machine, you know we do that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she sounded like everybody like, who's that grown woman?
Speaker 2: That's my daughter. She was twelve years old at the time.
Speaker 2: My son, I would not dip at twelve years old,
Speaker 2: and what.
Speaker 5: Are we doing? You know it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So yes, March is the new date.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and he was pretty happy about it.
Speaker 3: Excellent, So that was good. What else did Dak have
Speaker 3: to say yesterday? Oh?
Speaker 4: Well, you know he's got to here's what's happening here
Speaker 4: everybody you know about what turned back around? Right now
Speaker 4: he's on this high and he is right. He is
Speaker 4: now has the second rank quarterback rating in the NFL.
Speaker 4: It's at one oh seven. If you think back about
Speaker 4: around maybe the San Francisco game, his quarterback rating was
Speaker 4: like eighty seven. Yeah right, so slow start.
Speaker 2: Well that was after a three yeah, come on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three of his now six so half of them
Speaker 4: in one game. Uh. And then now it's all about Pollard.
Speaker 4: What's turned power? Are you healthy?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Dotta dot and you know it feels more comfortable. Well,
Speaker 4: here's the bottom line. The offensive line finally is playing
Speaker 4: well correct, right, It helps the quarterback, it helps the
Speaker 4: running back. If it helps the quarterback, it helps the
Speaker 4: wide receivers. And I think that's what everybody's missing. It's
Speaker 4: the offensive line is finally playing to the level we
Speaker 4: figured they would be playing to.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're there yet and not quite.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're right, there's another factor. Yes, Giants, Panthers, well, Commanders, but.
Speaker 2: Even so now and here's the thing about that, because
Speaker 2: in previous years we would really stink up well not
Speaker 2: previous years, even go back to the Cardinals game. We
Speaker 2: used to stink it up against bad teams at times,
Speaker 2: and so far we've been consistent enough to just win
Speaker 2: the way we're supposed to win. There are times last
Speaker 2: year and even like we mentioned Cardinals, well we didn't
Speaker 2: even do well against that particular team. So what we're doing,
Speaker 2: we're doing what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 5: To me, that shows maturity.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's necessarily the defenses of the Giants,
Speaker 3: Panthers and Commanders. It's what they are able to do offensively.
Speaker 3: Where the reason that dak through three interceptions against the
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers was the Cowboys fell behind to the
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers and cress and so you're playing ketchup
Speaker 3: the entire game. You can when you're ahead or in
Speaker 3: a close game, you can have a mix of a
Speaker 3: run and pass and keep a defense off balance.
Speaker 4: And when you're ahead, it accentuates your defensive talent because
Speaker 4: now they've got to play ketchup right now, and now
Speaker 4: they got to throw right And I think that's been
Speaker 4: one of the keys along the way, is get out
Speaker 4: to a quick lead and make them play ketchup.
Speaker 2: Any team that cannot stop our passing game at this point,
Speaker 2: they're going to be in trouble playing the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: That's just the way they is. They can't stop the dbs,
Speaker 2: can't stop as that started with Philly Giants, you know,
Speaker 2: all that Philly being the best team that we played
Speaker 2: in that stretch, their DB's were just as you know,
Speaker 2: just as fragile as any other dvs that we that
Speaker 2: we all went up against. And that's what gives us
Speaker 2: the confidence is when we can go up and down
Speaker 2: the field the way we have.
Speaker 4: Been and these other teams aren't beating other teams this badly,
Speaker 4: and they're playing some of the same teams too.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 4: And to accentuate the defense of you know, getting the lead.
Speaker 4: So they've got six defensive returns for touchdowns, which ties
Speaker 4: the record that they set in twenty twenty one, right,
Speaker 4: but no other Cowboys team has had that many defensive
Speaker 4: returns for touchdowns. They and they didn't have down win. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, and you know, their first team in NFL
Speaker 4: history to win each of their first five home games
Speaker 4: by twenty points or more. So somebody else has beaten
Speaker 4: these other teams too, right, So I think that's.
Speaker 2: That's why we look so forward to, you know, the
Speaker 2: stretch coming.
Speaker 4: Up, well, this next game. Yeah, I mean Seattle's six
Speaker 4: and five, is that right.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: They've lost their arrows pointed down.
Speaker 2: I know they've lost three of the right.
Speaker 3: And it's getting worse for them with Dallas, San Francisco
Speaker 3: and Philadelphia ahead on their schedule.
Speaker 2: And we have to be careful with what's on our schedule, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we're coming into the most Yeah, the scariest part.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And they tied their they tied their ship to Gino
Speaker 4: Smith and his quarterback rating right now is eighty eight,
Speaker 4: So twelve touchdowns, eighty interceptions, and he's only completing sixty
Speaker 4: five percent of his passes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been getting some pressure on him as well.
Speaker 4: Drew Locks coming in soon for Seattle.
Speaker 2: As long as you got that offensive line in Seattle.
Speaker 2: They're still going to have the same problems, and we're
Speaker 2: going to expose that offensive line that's just that's that's
Speaker 2: geno and that old line. We'll see.
Speaker 3: Do you like that Monday night game last night? Oh? God?
Speaker 6: I turned it off in the third quarter.
Speaker 4: I think if the Bears weren't playing. And I wasn't
Speaker 4: a big Bear fan growing.
Speaker 3: Up, but I wore a Packer fan, right yeah, but
Speaker 3: I watched like every Chicago.
Speaker 4: Should have been at that time. The end of the game,
Speaker 4: did you stay to the end?
Speaker 3: I stayed to the end.
Speaker 4: What did Joe Buck say at the end?
Speaker 2: Something to the.
Speaker 3: Effect and this one's finally over? And Troy said, thank god.
Speaker 4: Somebody had a stat this morning that the Bears were
Speaker 4: the first team to road team to not score a touchdown,
Speaker 4: not throw for however a few yards they ended up
Speaker 4: throwing for and turned the ball over as many times
Speaker 4: that they did and still won.
Speaker 5: What does that say?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 5: Really? What does that say?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 4: The quarterback playing that game was, oh my goodness, Dobbs,
Speaker 4: this makes you feel even worse that you lost to
Speaker 4: the guy?
Speaker 3: Right, well, Forrest, give let's give Dobbs a break. He
Speaker 3: was in Cleveland, but he beat boys. Then he goes
Speaker 3: to he's been with Minnesota for less than.
Speaker 2: A month against can do better.
Speaker 5: That's what we would say. You beat us, but you
Speaker 5: go up there and you can't do better.
Speaker 4: Come on, four interceptions and they dropped two others.
Speaker 2: By the way. Well, you know, it showed it.
Speaker 4: And I told him it showed why He text me
Speaker 4: and I said, I said, Minnesota is going to win
Speaker 4: this ten to nine. And they were going to until
Speaker 4: Justin feels completes like a thirty yard pass when a
Speaker 4: few times they allow him to throw the ball downfield.
Speaker 3: Their only receiver on the team was wide open in
Speaker 3: the middle of the field. That the third does that happen?
Speaker 3: DJ Moore?
Speaker 4: Who else was he gonna throw to? They kept throwing
Speaker 4: sideways the whole game, trying to get the ball out
Speaker 4: of that was.
Speaker 3: The element of surprise. He was thrown to the sideline,
Speaker 3: and why would he throw the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: Don't don't talk about it for winning the game, you know,
Speaker 2: praise them for winning the game.
Speaker 5: That was good stuff.
Speaker 3: And Mickey, yeah, okay, you've always said that the more
Speaker 3: you kick field goals, Yes, losing the game when they were.
Speaker 4: They won with all field goals and even missed one yep,
Speaker 4: and missed another opportunity to kick one when he fumbled
Speaker 4: the ball away at about the twenty thirty yard line.
Speaker 2: And here we are in week what eleven twelve? I
Speaker 2: think twelve twelve. I'm still playing ball like that. That's
Speaker 2: that's really What does that say about coach?
Speaker 4: What was that saying about the quarterbacks in this league? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they don't want to practice.
Speaker 2: They can't.
Speaker 3: No, it's against the rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think we're seeing it. I mean, do
Speaker 4: you have the list of the scores this week? There
Speaker 4: was a bunch of teams to teens.
Speaker 6: Let's see twelve to ten last night, Steelers Bengals, Steelers
Speaker 6: sixteen to ten. How about the Giants, Patriots, Titans seventeen,
Speaker 6: Panthers ten quarterbacks? You know, Giants ten, Patriots seven quarterbacks?
Speaker 3: Offensive line? Say that about my guy, tommyto.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Tommy DeVito's on a two gay winnings.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at scores from Sunday.
Speaker 5: I told the story right there. That's all ten seven.
Speaker 6: Those were my standout ones. Yeah, very low scoring.
Speaker 3: The Rams got to thirty points. They beat the Cardinals
Speaker 3: thirty seven to fourteen. The Chiefs got thirty one against
Speaker 3: the Raiders seventeen and then the Bill's Eagles game. We
Speaker 3: had two quality teams going up against each other in
Speaker 3: thirty seven thirty four.
Speaker 2: So what's Kingsbury doing right now?
Speaker 3: He was at USC on the staff at with Lincoln
Speaker 3: Riley at USC, who, by the way, is now number
Speaker 3: one on the list of most likely to get fired coaches.
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Speaker 3: on that topic, with a coach getting let go yesterday
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Speaker 3: get to? Is there been a Shack sighting here today?
Speaker 4: You know, I walked around. I didn't see him.
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 4: You did?
Speaker 3: I did? You got scooped? He sitting on this gets
Speaker 3: scooped on his own show.
Speaker 4: She gets to go places I can. No.
Speaker 6: We were sitting at the lunch Realm, just eating pretty
Speaker 6: early today before the show, and he walked through with
Speaker 6: the big and we're not.
Speaker 3: Talking, and we're not talking. Shaquille O'Neill, even though he does.
Speaker 6: Yes and reports are he is supposedly having lunch with
Speaker 6: Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Jerry said that he was having lunch with him after
Speaker 4: he went and took his physical, and that he said,
Speaker 4: let me see where I can find it. Basically, it
Speaker 4: was a physical, and then the question is where he
Speaker 4: is with his health, and then the next step would
Speaker 4: be if we can work something out with him. But
Speaker 4: he also pointed out that the Cowboys aren't the only
Speaker 4: team interested in.
Speaker 3: Shack Leonard. So if everything checks out, fine, do you
Speaker 3: let him out of the building and let him go
Speaker 3: to Philadelphia?
Speaker 4: He was asked that, and he says, I can't make
Speaker 4: decisions on what somebody else wants to do. So he's
Speaker 4: hoping it's not a matter of money, because.
Speaker 2: Indy owes him a.
Speaker 4: Million dollars a week for the next six weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh that must be nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lee, that is really cool.
Speaker 4: I think ever since we're running out of times in
Speaker 4: our lives to be let go and get paid let go.
Speaker 4: It seems to be catchy these days.
Speaker 3: In this like these coaches getting let go and it's
Speaker 3: so much first year of the contract, and in the
Speaker 3: case of Carolina with Frank Wright yesterday, at least for
Speaker 3: the head coach who has all that money owed to him.
Speaker 3: It's it's not an altogether horrible day.
Speaker 4: I don't think Jimbo Fisher's crying. But anyway, so obviously
Speaker 4: the Eagles are interested. I think we talked about yesterday
Speaker 4: because they not only lost in the Kobe Dean, but
Speaker 4: Zach Cunningham got hurt in the game. But as I
Speaker 4: started reading around Buffalo, the Steelers in Denver also seemed
Speaker 4: to have some interest in being able to bring him aboard. Now,
Speaker 4: some of those teams, yeah, they're kind of in the
Speaker 4: same boat the Cowboys. They need help now, but you know,
Speaker 4: if somebody offers him a long term deal.
Speaker 3: I mean, and Buffalo is another team that lost their linebacker,
Speaker 3: Matt Mullano.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at Philadelphia and Dallas, Buffalo.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what the Steelers in Denver, you
Speaker 4: know what they're looking at.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Denver's looking at a five game winning streak
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they're they're in the hunt,
Speaker 3: so that they're looking to add. And when Pittsburgh looks
Speaker 3: around the landscape in their own division, Cincinnati lost their
Speaker 3: starting quarterback, Cleveland lost their starting quarterback, and things are
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh just just doing what they're doing. Is uh, they're
Speaker 3: looking up, they're in the hunt. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Jerry said, the question is where he is in
Speaker 4: his career, as where he is health wise, and he's
Speaker 4: out now, the next thing is how do you get
Speaker 4: something worked out?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: If all the other uh, all the other two things fit.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He said, it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't surprise them at all that the Eagles would be interested,
Speaker 4: you know, and he said the thing probably doesn't have
Speaker 4: a financial aspect to it, meaning he's getting paid. So
Speaker 4: that's what he I think he was hoping for. So anyway,
Speaker 4: till you don't have their lunch and then see what happens.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is okay, even from Shaquille Leonard's standpoint,
Speaker 3: how much is he looking at they maybe take care
Speaker 3: of me for next year too. I mean, remember when
Speaker 3: Odell came through here and at the end of the
Speaker 3: season and everyone's wondering about his health, Well he was
Speaker 3: it was more it was a more about next year
Speaker 3: when Odell came through.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So and then there's the factor of again
Speaker 4: when we talked about last week, was you got to
Speaker 4: find a spot on the roster for him because I
Speaker 4: would imagine he's not settling for a practice squad signing
Speaker 4: and then elevate as needed. Right, although I did see
Speaker 4: a curious one. Uh Tyrus Sweet showed up on the
Speaker 4: injury port with a concussion and Peyton Hendershot is probably
Speaker 4: ready to get back.
Speaker 3: Now, see is this his last week? Who's that on
Speaker 3: Peyton Hendershot on his twenty one day window? I think
Speaker 3: he's done too. He's done too, so this would be there,
Speaker 3: so next week would be the week that they had
Speaker 3: to make a decision on him.
Speaker 5: What was his injury?
Speaker 4: It was an ankle, right, I believe, I believe Sana.
Speaker 4: Savannah's right. Yeah, it was an angle.
Speaker 3: Right again, Savannah him again.
Speaker 4: That's why she's on the shutter.
Speaker 5: Straight.
Speaker 4: But Tom, she carried her weight.
Speaker 6: Oh it's coming, don't you worry?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: I tease this more than I can ask from YouTube. Yeah, Frank, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: it's let go yesterday. And this is a coach who
Speaker 3: has had success at previous stops in his career. Okay,
Speaker 3: veteran coach and first year at Carolina, things go haywire,
Speaker 3: you know, right off the bat. I don't think expectations
Speaker 3: were anywhere near what they are annually. Well, certainly they
Speaker 3: aren't where they are annually for the Cowboys here, but
Speaker 3: for a veteran coach coming into a new place. Look
Speaker 3: at Mike McCarthy since he was let go by Green
Speaker 3: Bay and how McCarthy has been able to to not
Speaker 3: be set in his ways. To that year that he
Speaker 3: was out of football, he you know, that was much
Speaker 3: talked about. He would get together with the other guys
Speaker 3: who had previous NFL experience, had you know, coaching experience
Speaker 3: in the league, and they get together and they'd study
Speaker 3: the game and spent that whole year studying the game.
Speaker 3: And then him coming here and then just evolving with
Speaker 3: the times, evolving himself, his evolution himself, as far as
Speaker 3: his keeping up with the game, it really says a
Speaker 3: lot about what he has done during his four years here.
Speaker 2: Well, two twelve win seasons.
Speaker 3: You know, you have working on a third.
Speaker 4: Here working on a third and if you think back
Speaker 4: to even the beginning of the year where he was
Speaker 4: catching hell, oh, offense is old, doesn't know what he's doing,
Speaker 4: he's calling plays, and then now it's like, oh, look
Speaker 4: at Mike McCartney.
Speaker 3: But it's like standing by your foundation as a coach,
Speaker 3: your principles as a coach, but also evolving with the
Speaker 3: changing landscape of the game.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it's tough to do.
Speaker 4: Whole coaches, did you ask did you hear the question?
Speaker 4: He got asked about Pete Carroll and himself, and you
Speaker 4: know these older coaches are you know, still you know,
Speaker 4: being you know successful, And he kind of put his
Speaker 4: fist up in the air. He goes, yeah, let's hear
Speaker 4: it for old coaches.
Speaker 3: And by the way, he turned sixty this month, that's right,
Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: And I think the pres no, but the question was
Speaker 4: prefaced with Carol's seventy two and you just had a
Speaker 4: significant birthday and he started laughing, right, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's hear it for old coaches.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one too. Tom Landry had a problem
Speaker 2: with it, and many of us were victims of that
Speaker 2: as players, because it affects the entire organization. I could
Speaker 2: even go back to Grambling. You know, Coach Robinson was
Speaker 2: old when I got there, and he still coached many
Speaker 2: more years after I left, and it's hard for them
Speaker 2: to really take that step, you know, as far as
Speaker 2: philosophy is concerned into the next you know, on to
Speaker 2: the next level, you know, to the next you know generation,
Speaker 2: so to speak, because you talk talk can buy generations
Speaker 2: of coaches that are coming through, and you're still doing
Speaker 2: the same thing over and over again. Tom never wanted
Speaker 2: to get rid of the flex. Yeah, the flex was
Speaker 2: our downfall. That's just the way it was. He never
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of it. And once it was
Speaker 2: time to get rid of it, we didn't have the
Speaker 2: talent to be able to handle whatever came in. So
Speaker 2: it's hard for old coaches to do what McCarthy and
Speaker 2: Carol are doing.
Speaker 3: And I'll throw dan Quinn in there too. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: used to look at what dan Quinn has done with
Speaker 3: this defense and going back to his days with the Seahawks,
Speaker 3: what they used to do there, and how in just
Speaker 3: ten years time, how things have changed in the league
Speaker 3: and being able to adapt.
Speaker 5: To that back to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Even so, it's you know, like I said, kudos to
Speaker 2: him and for both of those coaches for being able
Speaker 2: to you know, make that move and still be relevant,
Speaker 2: you know, instead of just living on your laws. And
Speaker 2: that's I was with two coaches that ended up doing
Speaker 2: that same thing and you know, they're the ones that
Speaker 2: when they retire, you know, they got nothing else going on,
Speaker 2: you know, bab Bryant, same thing. As soon as they retire,
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, they get sick, next thing.
Speaker 3: You know. The other thing. It's interesting, Glad you brought
Speaker 3: up Pete Carroll. Just the comparison with Carol and McCarthy
Speaker 3: as coaches. They are both from I would think from
Speaker 3: a player's standpoint, they seem to both be very approachable. Yes,
Speaker 3: you know where players. Their relationship that they have with
Speaker 3: the players, that's that's huge to their success.
Speaker 2: I think Cherry hopefully it keeps them more in tune
Speaker 2: to the upcoming.
Speaker 3: They think about how things have changed even since McCarthy
Speaker 3: became a head coach, just in terms of social media
Speaker 3: and the players. I mean, the social media really didn't
Speaker 3: start taking off until two thousand and nine, twenty ten
Speaker 3: something like that, and McCarthy was, you know, four years
Speaker 3: as a head coach, and so he had to evolve
Speaker 3: even as far as that goes.
Speaker 4: And not only as a head coach, but he started
Speaker 4: coaching in the league in ninety three, was it with Pittsburgh,
Speaker 4: I mean Kansas City after he left University of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: So yeah, now dan Quinn's young, he's only fifty three.
Speaker 4: He's not an old coach, but he's coached already. He's
Speaker 4: already twenty first year in the NFL.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's been But look at his success. Yeah,
Speaker 3: as a defensive coordinator ten years ago with Seattle and
Speaker 3: then you know, he takes Atlanta to a Super Bowl
Speaker 3: and then the league changes over the course of this decade,
Speaker 3: and he's ahead of the curve on it.
Speaker 4: Well, if you look at a lot of the other
Speaker 4: teams now they've kind of gone to his an extra
Speaker 4: safety defense and one less linebacker. I see other teams
Speaker 4: starting to do.
Speaker 2: Let's finally we worry about them being old. You have
Speaker 2: to be before your time, right, and then time has
Speaker 2: to catch up with you, right. So when you get
Speaker 2: really old and you pass those two stages, then.
Speaker 5: That's correct.
Speaker 3: And a big part of it, too, is the energy level.
Speaker 3: And you see a lot of times I remember when
Speaker 3: the Texas coaching staff when Mac Brown was there and
Speaker 3: his assistant coaches, they got older, and so of course
Speaker 3: it's different in college where you're recruiting, but and you
Speaker 3: really got to have a high energy level to do that. Uh,
Speaker 3: young coaches, But as guys get older that you really
Speaker 3: know you're whether you still have a love for the
Speaker 3: profession if you can keep your energy level. And Pete
Speaker 3: Carroll is at the head of the class as far
Speaker 3: as that's concerned.
Speaker 2: I just don't like the coaches that that, you know,
Speaker 2: they stick. I'm going to stick to what I do. Man,
Speaker 2: you're bringing the league down, you know, because you're just
Speaker 2: being a dinosaur. And those are the those they can
Speaker 2: bring the team down and bring the league down.
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Speaker 3: All right, final segment here of mixed shots. Mickey, do
Speaker 3: you want to go Canton, Ohio News or your other.
Speaker 2: Let me do the other one.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna do the other one for Okay, I
Speaker 3: understand I heard this. Mickey is about to rant. We're
Speaker 3: going to figure this out.
Speaker 4: That's It's like, is it okay if we just have
Speaker 4: some fun? Because I heard severe criticism on talk radio
Speaker 4: of Dolly Parton, what did you hear how she dressed?
Speaker 4: And it was like it it should have brought a
Speaker 4: smile the people's face that she put on a Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboy cheerleader uniform under her bodysuit, her glitzy bodysuit. And
Speaker 4: it was like, why you're seventy seven years old and
Speaker 4: you go out on stage and look like that. It
Speaker 4: was disgusting And I'm going seriously, it brought a smile,
Speaker 4: I think to a lot of people's faces that she
Speaker 4: had the nerve to go out and do that right
Speaker 4: and sing. And I just heard all this criticism and
Speaker 4: it's like she wasn't trying to make a sexual statement
Speaker 4: or anything. She just was having fun. And we got
Speaker 4: to find something negative all the time about something, and
Speaker 4: it's like, God, just enjoy life and stop the criticism.
Speaker 4: This woman got out there and she did so much
Speaker 4: to raise money for the Salvation Army, to the point
Speaker 4: of donating a million dollars on her own money. Didn't
Speaker 4: bring that up. What brought up the fact that she
Speaker 4: put on a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader outfit.
Speaker 6: And I'll be the first to say I worked with
Speaker 6: several people that had helped set up the halftime show
Speaker 6: for Dolly, and for a lot of those people that
Speaker 6: met her, they had nothing but great things to say.
Speaker 6: From security, from people that were golf carting her everywhere,
Speaker 6: how just nice she was and professional and saying thank you,
Speaker 6: and just how great of a person that she was
Speaker 6: to be out there and you know, show up for
Speaker 6: this halftime show. It was incredible. So that's disappointing to hear.
Speaker 4: And there was more that she did than just go
Speaker 4: out there and sing. She did all that stuff that
Speaker 4: led up to it, right, She did a promo for television,
Speaker 4: she did the thing sitting at the desk, and it
Speaker 4: was I just thought it was It was kind of
Speaker 4: a joyous moment, right, and it fit right in with
Speaker 4: what happened on Thanksgiving here at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 4: And you know, Jerry was asked about home field advantage
Speaker 4: or whatever and he goes, well and he you know,
Speaker 4: he gives the normal thing, Yeah, the fans are great
Speaker 4: and whatever he said. But you also got a factor
Speaker 4: in that in others it compared to other stadiums, we
Speaker 4: get ten to fifteen more thousand people in our stadium, right,
Speaker 4: and it makes more noise than in other places. And
Speaker 4: he said, it's just a coup to have, you know,
Speaker 4: the things that we have here at at and T Stadium,
Speaker 4: and the fact that they brought more recognition the whole
Speaker 4: day to the Salvation Army and about how you know
Speaker 4: whatever they raised, uh and even Dolly's million dollars. He said,
Speaker 4: that will feed two point five million dollars of Salvation
Speaker 4: Army people.
Speaker 5: And they didn't heard that.
Speaker 2: We scored a few touchdowns and we weave a jumping
Speaker 2: get into the kettle to the kettle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are watching at home and they're
Speaker 4: not a hand.
Speaker 2: I had people calling me and cracking up, right, and
Speaker 2: they were just giddy with with them jumping in there
Speaker 2: and they got the turkey legs and all of that.
Speaker 2: Because I was I couldn't see a lot of it.
Speaker 2: I was on the plane as soon as I landed,
Speaker 2: So they were just telling me, laughing, telling me about
Speaker 2: you know, how they were treating each other as they
Speaker 2: got into the kettle. That was all part of the fun.
Speaker 4: Well, he told a story about Al Harris that he
Speaker 4: and Bland had this conversation and and he said something
Speaker 4: to Bland about, well, if you get one, you got
Speaker 4: to go in the kettle. And he and then he thought, well,
Speaker 4: now wait a minute, I better and he said, so
Speaker 4: he saw Mike and Jerry talking about it, and he
Speaker 4: went up to him and said, well, you know, we
Speaker 4: had this conversation with Bland and Jerry said, you know,
Speaker 4: he asked, he is okay if he does that, and
Speaker 4: he said. McCarthy turned to him and said, if he
Speaker 4: gets an interception and he turns it for a touchdown
Speaker 4: and dumps in the kettle, you better jump in there
Speaker 4: with us. Now they get fine for that, right, I
Speaker 4: haven't heard any fines.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: He did the first time, and then they donated the
Speaker 4: money to the Salvation, and then the next time the
Speaker 4: next time they.
Speaker 2: Said it's okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So from the difference between that or jumping in the set, right,
Speaker 4: and we're raising money and attention, so don't you know
Speaker 4: there's gonna be people they're going to go shopping this
Speaker 4: weekend and they're gonna go, okay, here's a doll.
Speaker 2: I saw the guys jumping in. Yeah, good stuff. That
Speaker 2: is all right, Mickey.
Speaker 3: I have a suggestion you need to quit listening to
Speaker 3: those shows.
Speaker 5: I know I was gonna So that is that is
Speaker 5: the that is the minority. That's the minority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the majority of its plenty of other options. Reddit,
Speaker 2: you gave him too much credit already.
Speaker 5: They got too much novity already in.
Speaker 3: This podcast world we live in now, there's a whole
Speaker 3: lot of other options.
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have.
Speaker 3: To listen to that.
Speaker 2: And it's always the minority music that makes all the noise.
Speaker 2: So no, you're good man.
Speaker 3: Okay, now here's good oother Mickey Rant coming your way
Speaker 3: in three two?
Speaker 8: What was the other one?
Speaker 2: We were going the other one?
Speaker 3: Twenty five modern era players semi finalists for the Whole
Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame's Class of twenty twenty four announced
Speaker 3: this morning, and Darren Woodson is yes among those twenty.
Speaker 4: Five for how many times?
Speaker 3: Eighth time as a semifinalist twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 3: now six straight years from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four times he was a semi eight times as semi finalists.
Speaker 2: Now, wow, is that ridiculous?
Speaker 4: Almoch as ridiculous as your case.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Almost, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4: I don't know what else to say. I've written it
Speaker 4: so many times. How he deserves this, and it's like
Speaker 4: what I like.
Speaker 2: I like to make comparisons and all I saw. I
Speaker 2: went there for the black Cottage Hall of Fame game
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and I saw a couple of
Speaker 2: names up there and they we went to the pro
Speaker 2: shop or whatever, the Hall of Fame shop in Canton,
Speaker 2: and I just got more and more pissed off as
Speaker 2: I looked at some of the names, and not just
Speaker 2: for myself.
Speaker 5: But for him. And this is his position.
Speaker 2: This is Dearren with safety safety Learroy Butler, Yes Atwater,
Speaker 2: Steve Atwater.
Speaker 4: There's another one in there.
Speaker 2: Let's just once again give them all credit, right, because
Speaker 2: they're all damn good play.
Speaker 5: But if they're in, then where's the justice.
Speaker 2: John Lynch is in John Lynch. That's another one, that
Speaker 2: one that was the first one that pissed me off.
Speaker 2: And I'm not Woody, I'm not Woody Woody. This is
Speaker 2: his position here. Yeah, And you look at just those
Speaker 2: three names right there and tell me how their accomplishments
Speaker 2: are better than Darren Woodson's. I can't see it. You
Speaker 2: can go numbers all you want. You can go number
Speaker 2: of Super Bowl wins, you can go number of tackles
Speaker 2: and that's what safeties are known for. Brian Dawkins. Brian
Speaker 2: Dawkins is another one. The number of Super Bowl wins
Speaker 2: that Darren Woodson has, and not just that, it's the
Speaker 2: sacrifice that he made later on in his career. See,
Speaker 2: these are the things they don't know about him. They
Speaker 2: don't know about the sacrifice he made moving from safety
Speaker 2: down to the slot. And when he's a he's really
Speaker 2: a linebacker by nature, you know, but you got him
Speaker 2: playing the Brandon Cook of the world and he's down
Speaker 2: there doing the doing the job he was at one
Speaker 2: of his job.
Speaker 3: You know, these defenses that the league is running down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Darren Woodson, can you imagine years ago Taylor made for this.
Speaker 4: Thirty years ago he was doing this and it's just
Speaker 4: it's just so frustrating. And so I'm guessing his last
Speaker 4: year would have been two thousand and four, three.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 4: I think it was four because he there was three.
Speaker 4: Three was the last he played, but he was here.
Speaker 4: Oh four. Bill wanted him to stay and that's when
Speaker 4: he had his back problem and then he ended up
Speaker 4: retiring because he couldn't play. So next year, it's twenty
Speaker 4: years and he's eligible now to be a senior candidate
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I thought it was twenty five. I didn't know this well.
Speaker 5: After while, it just goes a blur. It's just a
Speaker 5: blur after a while.
Speaker 4: But it's like now, he shouldn't have to wait that long,
Speaker 4: is my point.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think when it comes to the process,
Speaker 2: of course, I've always been against the media being the
Speaker 2: first line of defense. I've always been against that. It
Speaker 2: makes no sense to me. But when it's all said
Speaker 2: and done, no matter how you do it, there's no
Speaker 2: excuse for not having it being done another way. But
Speaker 2: no matter how you do it, there's going to be
Speaker 2: some type of discrimination or you know, loopholes, right.
Speaker 5: That's gonna come with it. That's just the way it goes.
Speaker 2: I don't care if the players vote first or not,
Speaker 2: because then you're gonna have players getting together, you know,
Speaker 2: for their guy, you know, because he played the same school,
Speaker 2: same team, conference, all that kind of craft.
Speaker 4: You know what they should do this time when they
Speaker 4: make the argument for him, they should bring in Roy Williams.
Speaker 2: Who's making the argument. That's my thing.
Speaker 5: Who's in his corner. You're gonna have somebody in your corner.
Speaker 2: I know what I have in my corner.
Speaker 4: They have people locally that are have the vote.
Speaker 2: They make the steps they need to.
Speaker 4: Bring in Roy Williams exhibit A. When Darren Woodson was
Speaker 4: playing with Roy Williams, Roy Williams was a Pro Bowl safety.
Speaker 4: When Darren Woodson retired, Roy Williams career kind of went
Speaker 4: down hill. And he made the difference.
Speaker 3: He was the heart and soul he was keeping away
Speaker 3: from the biscuits. Roy Williams a biscuit away from.
Speaker 4: And and it's like he was the heart and soul
Speaker 4: of these defenses. His ability to be versatile and you
Speaker 4: know what, and he played special teams till the last
Speaker 4: time he played in this league because Joe Avazano would
Speaker 4: not take him off special teams. It was one of
Speaker 4: those Hey Joe, what do you think And it's like,
Speaker 4: now I need and so you know, he did it.
Speaker 4: If they needed a captain for the defense, it would
Speaker 4: have been Woody. And if you just look, and even
Speaker 4: he's had a TV career that people should have noticed
Speaker 4: how well he knows the game, how well he analyzed
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think when they're just when it comes
Speaker 2: to guys, older, then the media gets younger. Then there's
Speaker 2: just no interest by them to do the research.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: That has to be part of it, because if you
Speaker 2: do the research instead of going by you know, like
Speaker 2: I said, I have my guy and he's got his
Speaker 2: people that are going to be voting for me, you know, regardless,
Speaker 2: and so you know everybody's got their guys.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you don't.
Speaker 5: They're not going to research. They're just going by who
Speaker 5: they asked.
Speaker 4: Right, Or they look at numbers and say, well, look
Speaker 4: this he's only had this many interceptions. But you don't
Speaker 4: understand that you got to use your eyes sometime to
Speaker 4: tell you what's right.
Speaker 5: And what is well.
Speaker 2: There there's so much research behind the numbers and the
Speaker 2: and the seasons that they just don't want to take
Speaker 2: that time. To me, if you're going to be a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voter, the responsibility that comes with that,
Speaker 2: do your freaking work, do the job, do your research.
Speaker 4: Don't just show up the Saturday before the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: and say, well let me listen to this present right exactly.
Speaker 3: So, there are three dbs in this semifinals class. Eric Allen,
Speaker 3: Rodney Harrison, and Darren Woodson are the three DB's. So
Speaker 3: of the twenty five Sara finalist, Eric Allen.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's good. Eagles, Yeah, he was good. He's got
Speaker 2: about fifty plus, right, fifty plus picks at least, I think.
Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to diminish guys that are already in,
Speaker 4: like you said, the people, but if they're in, then
Speaker 4: he should be in. Yeah, point blank. I wonder if
Speaker 4: we can get them on the show here soon.
Speaker 2: Man, I wouldn't if I wasn't my wedding man. He
Speaker 2: needs to do like Harry Carson. Look, just take my
Speaker 2: name off of it, don't even mention my name, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden everyone's offended. Oh man, Harry's
Speaker 2: mad at us, and then they both have me in.
Speaker 3: We'll see. Eric Allen is another one that all right.
Speaker 3: He's been a semifinalist four times the last four years.
Speaker 3: He retired in two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: So I mean he first, so it must maybe it
Speaker 4: is twenty five.
Speaker 3: For years and years he didn't even get considered. So
Speaker 3: all right, we'll have more time to talk about that,
Speaker 3: and tomorrow we get you ready for Cowboys Seahawks. It
Speaker 3: will be our fight song Friday Wednesday tomorrow here on
Speaker 3: mix Shots.
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