1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome in to Turning Point tonight. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: We're together. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: We are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. I've 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: got good news and actually more good news, the first 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: of which is that the American Comeback Tour, the tour 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: that Charlie was on, continued on starting last night in Minnesota. Obviously, 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: no one can fill the shoes of Charlie, but as 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Erica stated, we will be undeterred and continue on the 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: mission that Charlie fought so hard for. Michael Knowles of 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: The Daily Wire took Charlie's place last night and delivered 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: a fantastic set of remarks as well as answered some 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: questions and even got into a couple of debates with 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: students that showed up to Turning Points event last night. 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: We were going to bring you that event in its entirety, 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: which leads me to my other piece of good news. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: The reason we're showing that tonight is because my wife 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: and I are on the way to the hospital and 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: hopefully by the time you're watching this, we've got baby 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: number two in hands. 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: So your prayers are appreciated. Thank you so much for 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: tuning in. 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Let's take it to Michael Knowles in Minnesota at the 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: turning Point and continued College coup. 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thank you very much. Thank you 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: to all of you for being here tonight. This event 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: was originally supposed to be a conversation between me and Charlie. 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: Now it will be a conversation about Charlie. It will 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: be a conversation about his life and what his assassination 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: means for our country. The enemies of civilization, the assassin, 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: as well as the people who excused and cheered him on, 31 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: thought that they could stop Charlie Kirk's movement. In reality, 32 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: they have not even stopped his lecture tour. I would 33 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: like to begin if you would indulge me with a prayer. 34 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: Charlie had a great affinity for Saint Michael the Archangel, 35 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: and I think the Saint Michael prayer speaks especially to 36 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: our moment. Him the Father's son only spirit. Saint Michael 37 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: the Archangel defend us in battle, be our defense against 38 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him. 39 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: We humbly pray and do thou, a prince of the 40 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: Heavenly Host, by the power of God thrust into hell. 41 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: Satan and all the evil spirits who proud about the 42 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: world seeking the ruin of souls. Spirited man, twelve days ago, 43 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: a ruined soul assassinated one of the brightest figures of 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: our generation. And when I say bright, I am not 45 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: just talking about Charlie's rhetorical skills, which had surpassed just 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: about every public figure around. And I don't just mean 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: his political genius, which led an eighteen year old kid 48 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: to found the most significant cultural institution on the American 49 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: right eighteen years old, and which led, through all of 50 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: his political achievements, to the President, the Vice President, the 51 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Secretary of State, among others, to our entire government showing 52 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: up to his beautiful memorial service yesterday. I am not 53 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: talking about any of Charlie's accomplishments, be they in broadcasting, publishing, coalition, building, debate, 54 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: or any of the other many things that Charlie had mastered. 55 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: Charlie's brightness came not primarily from his professional accomplishments. They 56 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: came from his character. You did not have to be 57 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: a personal friend of his to notice it. You could 58 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: see it in everything he did. There was simply a 59 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: light and a levity to the man, and it was 60 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: constant even when he was stressed, even when he was arguing, 61 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 2: which was frequent, even when he suffered setbacks. That light 62 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: and that levity stem from one fact. Charlie's savior libs. 63 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: We're mourning Charlie right now, and I think it's right 64 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: to mourn Charlie. I think it's right to grieve. I 65 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: have no use for the happy clappy kind of modern 66 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: religion that tells us we can't be sad when our 67 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: friend dies simply because we have faith in his salvation. 68 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: Death is bad, Murder is bad. People who commit murder 69 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: need to be punished. People who celebrate murder need to 70 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: be punished too. Death reminds us that something has gone wrong. 71 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: Death was not part of the original plan. Jesus wept 72 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: at the death of his friend just moments before he 73 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: raised him from the dead. We can know that in 74 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: everything God works for good with those who love Him 75 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: who are called according to his purpose, while still recognizing 76 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: the difference between good and evil. We can entrust Charlie's 77 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 2: soul to our Lord Jesus Christ, as Charlie always entrusted himself, 78 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: while still knowing that his assassin took something from us 79 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: that he didn't have to take. What the assassin took 80 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: was not even charge. He could not have taken Charlie. 81 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: Charlie belongs to God, as do we all. What the 82 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: assassin took from us, more precisely is what we imagined 83 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: Charlie's future would be. That is part of what makes 84 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: death so shocking, the realization that our plans are not guaranteed. 85 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: Man plans and God laughs. But we say he was 86 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: going to do this, Oh, she was going to do that. 87 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: We were going to speak at the University of Minnesota together. 88 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: We weren't. Actually, we do not have ultimate control over 89 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: those things. Everyone who knew Charlie and many people who 90 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: did not know Charlie personally, knew that he would be 91 00:06:47,200 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: president one day. We knew it. We knew it. Wood 92 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: is a conditional verb, and it depends upon ifs that 93 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: are out of our control. Charlie would have been president, 94 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: but he won't be. In the wake of Charlie's death, 95 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: many people are presuming to declare what he would have 96 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: believed about this or that issue. Now, what he did believe, 97 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: mind you, what he would have believed, what he would 98 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: have said if he had lived longer. This kind of 99 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: talk is as absurd as it is unseemly. It is 100 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: appointed for men to die once and after that the judgment, 101 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: with the exception of Charlie's beloved wife and the people 102 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: very closest to him, those who would chime in for 103 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: Charlie today are appropriating an authority that does not belong 104 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: to them. It's a usurpation at best. It is a 105 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: waste of time. And one thing we all know Charlie 106 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: never did was waste time. He worked about twenty seven 107 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: hours a day, eight days a week. Charlie accomplished more 108 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: in his thirty one years then most people could accomplish 109 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: in many lifetimes. His most public accomplishments were political. His 110 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: most important were religious. He wanted to be remembered for 111 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: his faith. He wanted to help as many souls to 112 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: heaven as he could. If you want to honor Charlie, 113 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: go to church, read the Bible, pray, and do it 114 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: right now. Do it right now, do not wait. Now 115 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: might be your only chance. Many people I've seen are 116 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: doing just that. I saw it myself last Sunday. You 117 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: will not be surprised to learn that I attend a 118 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: rather traditional church. Smells and bells and suits and ties 119 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. One thing that means 120 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: is that it's easy to say bought someone new, someone 121 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: who was just looking for the nearest church because he 122 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: felt a sudden desire to be close to God. Someone 123 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: who's Sunday best is usually a T shirt and jeans. 124 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: I saw a lot of T shirts at Mass last Sunday. 125 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: I was thrilled to see those T shirts. I was 126 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: thrilled to see those T shirts. Next week they should 127 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: put on a jacket. But last week it was nice. 128 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: It was nice to see because it meant that people 129 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: who had left the church were returning. It meant perhaps 130 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: the people who had never been to church were coming 131 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: for the first time, and they were showing up because 132 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: of Charlie. I was one of the hundreds of thousands 133 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: of people who attended Charlie his memorial yesterday. When you 134 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: count those who streamed it, I was one of over 135 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: one hundred million people who was watching it live. I 136 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: suspect all of you were too. It was a remarkable 137 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: event in many ways. Two things stood out in particular. First, 138 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: Charlie's widow, Erica, gave one of the most powerful speeches 139 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: I have ever heard in my life. I was sitting 140 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: with some of the toughest politicians in the world. There 141 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: was not a dry eye in the house. In just 142 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: one of several arresting moments in her speech, Erica forgave 143 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: the man who murdered her husband because Christ on the 144 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: Cross asked his father to forgive his killers, because we 145 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: all ask God to forgive us, as we forgive those 146 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: who trespass against us. Amazing at a time when half 147 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: the country, it seems, minimizes excuses, it even celebrates political violence, 148 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: Erica Kirk gave us a glimpse of Calvary. But the 149 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: second most striking part of the memorial was that the 150 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: leadership of our federal government spent four hours proclaiming the 151 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: Gospel to the entire world. That should not have been surprising. 152 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: We are a country founded by people who called themselves pilgrims. 153 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: We were settled by people who said that we would 154 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: be a model of Christian charity. Our government was established 155 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: on the premise that we are endowed by our creator 156 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: with rights. Our national anthem declares conquer we must when 157 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: our cause it is just, and this be our motto. 158 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: In God is our trust. Seeing our national leaders proclaim 159 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: the gospel should not have been surprising, but it was 160 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: because we had not seen it in a very very 161 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: long time. Many of us had not seen it in 162 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: our entire lives. The memorial was perfectly Charlie. On the 163 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: one hand, it was about eternity, about the truths that 164 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: transcend all ages and places. On the other hand, it 165 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: was eminently political, temporal, local particular, and there is no 166 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: contradiction between the two, because we are all both of 167 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: those things. We are souls which are eternal, and we're bodies, 168 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: which are temporal. People tend to fall into one of 169 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: two errors on this subject today. They either think that 170 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,239 Speaker 2: politics is everything, more important than family, or important than morality, 171 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: so important we murder people over disagreements, or they think 172 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: that politics is nothing, that we should ignore policy fights 173 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: and debates and keep our pure and precious hands from 174 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: being sullied in the muck of practical politics. Charlie understood 175 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: that both errors miss the mark that we need to 176 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: keep our eyes on eternal things, that we're never quite 177 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: at home in this world because we are pilgrims on 178 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: our way to the heavenly Jerusalem, but also that we 179 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: are political creatures in space and time, which means that 180 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: we have to do things, means that our faith will 181 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: look like something, that we will give a certain shape 182 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: to our political community, which exists for the common good. 183 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: So what do we do now? What do we do now? 184 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: We should forgive our enemies trespasses, and we should prevent 185 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: our enemies from trespassing again in the future. Some people, 186 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: some people seem to misunderstand Christian forgiveness. They think that 187 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: it's somehow contrary to criminal justice, that it means being 188 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: a whim, that it means letting criminals off the hook, 189 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: that it means anarchy. On the contrary, Christian forgiveness is 190 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: about recognizing that vengeance belongs to the lord who will repay. 191 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: That's the first part, while criminal justice belongs to the 192 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: civil authority, which does not bear the sword. In vain, 193 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: Erica Kirk forgave her husband's killer, the state of Utah 194 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: will inject poison into that killer's veins until he's dead. 195 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: There is no contradiction between those two things. Christian forgiveness 196 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: does not demand that we allow the cruel to ravage 197 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: the whole earth. It demands that we love our enemies, 198 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: and sometimes love is tough in our personal lives. Love 199 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: means praying for those who persecute us. In politics, love 200 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: usually means punishing the guilty, both for the protection of 201 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: the innocent as well as for the good of the criminals. 202 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: No one benefits from crime, decay, and disorder, not the 203 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: rest of us, and not the criminals themselves. We cherish 204 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: what we call the marketplace of ideas in America. In 205 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: the wake of Charlie's assassination, many are inclined merely to 206 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: redouble our devotion to the free marketplace of ideas. This instinct, 207 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: I think, misses a crucial step. We had a marketplace 208 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: of ideas, the Left shot it up. If we wish 209 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: to restore the healthy exchange of ideas, we need to 210 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: refortify the marketplace. Marketplaces of all kinds require rules, confidence, 211 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: and common media of exchange. They require, in other words, order. 212 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Liberty requires order. You cannot be undisciplined and free. You 213 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: cannot be ignorant and free. That's why we don't let 214 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: toddlers vote. Okay, we all know this at a very 215 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: basic level. What we must now do is reassert order, 216 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: for the exchange of ideas, for the flourishing of our 217 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: public square, for liberty we must insist upon the acceptance 218 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: of basic truths and moral goods, not as the asymptotic 219 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: goal of endless debate, but as the axiomatic foundation without 220 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: which debate cannot occur. C. S. Lewis called these principles 221 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: the Tao. Others call them the natural law or the 222 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: first principles of practical reason. Or in a university, if 223 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: if you've ever studied algebra, you know that you must 224 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: begin with certain axioms. You have to begin with premisses, 225 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: like A equals A, or if A equals B, then 226 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: B equals A. That's about all the math that I know, 227 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: but I at least got that far. Those axioms are 228 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: themselves unprovable, but if we don't assume them, we can't 229 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: prove anything else. The same is true in politics and morality. 230 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: We cannot quite prove that we should live in an 231 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: ordered society, but without assuming so, we can't prove anything else. 232 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: If our society is to function, we must foreclose certain 233 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: antisocial behaviors and certain suicidal ideologies. We must stop, to 234 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: borrow a phrase from Chesterton, the thought that stops thought. Practically, 235 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: this means that we must stigmatize certain evil ideas and behaviors, 236 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: and we must ostracize people who insist upon them. More practically, 237 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: this means that people who persist in such disorder should 238 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: lose their social standing. In certain cases, they should lose 239 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: their jobs. With any political reform, we have to err 240 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: on the side of caution. But a good place to 241 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: begin would be with those who celebrate the murder of 242 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: an innocent man who simply wanted to talk it out. 243 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: You have to begin from that point. You cannot maintain 244 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: a hospital if the nurses seek to murder half the patients. 245 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: You cannot operate a school if the teachers wish death 246 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: upon the students. You cannot run a restaurant if the 247 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: customers think that the waiters want to poison them. There 248 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: must be consequences to heal this national trauma and to 249 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: reestablish a healthy politics. Those consequences require clarity of vision, 250 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: courage in our convictions, and an extraordinary amount of God's grace. 251 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: I believe it can be done. You all, who have 252 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: come out here tonight, despite the threats, despite the hardship, 253 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: have shown that you all believe that it can be done. 254 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: The man that we honor tonight gave his life in 255 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: the confident hope that it can be done. We must 256 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: never despair, we must never surrender to the forces that 257 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 2: seek our destruction, and we must work tirelessly to ensure 258 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: that this moment truly becomes a turning point for America. 259 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I know I said we shouldn't 260 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: speak for Charlie. Charlie would have loved that. I think 261 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: we all know it. I think we all know it now. 262 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: Also in honor of Charlie, and also to say no 263 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: to the forces who would stop us, we are going 264 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: to have an open conversation tonight. You can ask me 265 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: anything and if you disagree, you can cut to. 266 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: The front of the line. 267 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: You've lined up already. It was fast. 268 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks, yes, very kind, gets very kind. 269 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 6: I just had to say before my question, Michael, Charlie 270 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 6: was the best of us, and I think he was 271 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 6: going to be in the next vice president. You're the 272 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 6: best of us now you got to be the next 273 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 6: vice president. 274 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: Very kind, I'm sure kind. 275 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: If the last week has taught us anything it's that 276 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: no one fills Charlie's shoes and it'll take about five 277 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: hundred of us to lift up the microphone. But I 278 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 2: think everyone wants to pitch in. 279 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 6: So my question he is, Michael, is we all know 280 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 6: that the fall came through the woman. Evil comes into 281 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 6: the world through the woman. And since women have gotten 282 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 6: the rights to vote in the United States, with the 283 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 6: exception of technology, I think every single aspect of American 284 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 6: lifestyle has gone down. The nuclear family, open borders, welfare state, 285 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 6: the abortion state, homosexuality, transgender abortion, defund the police, the 286 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 6: attack on our military, the attack on masculinity. 287 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: I could go on and on. 288 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 6: I really do think that we have to have a 289 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 6: serious conversation about repealing the Nineteenth Amendment. I wonder, well, 290 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 6: what you think. 291 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: It's a mixed response. I was waiting for you to add, 292 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, burnt toast at breakfast was because they're no, 293 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: I'm joking, I'm joking it. No. You know, look, the 294 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: really hardcore trad conservatives would say that the decay did 295 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: not begin when women got the right to vote. It's 296 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: when anyone got the right to vote. Now, you know, 297 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: you can go all the way back to the Garden 298 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: of Eden. But but to your I actually do have 299 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: to correct one point. Eve eats the apple first, and 300 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: then you know, Adam goes next. But but Saint Paul 301 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: blames Adam for the sin entering the world because because 302 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: man is the head of woman, because man is the 303 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: head of his household. And so I try not to 304 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: blame women for on their. 305 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: Own but for one reason. 306 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: For one reason that the feminists are not going to like, 307 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: because I think men need to lead the women in 308 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: their lives. Also, so it's a way to offend everybody, 309 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: I guess, But I have I have a compromise because 310 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: I agree. If you look at single women, they vote 311 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: for Democrats overwhelmingly, although people like Charlie were able to 312 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: move that vote to forty percent of women under the 313 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: age of thirty voter for Trump in twenty twenty four. 314 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 2: So we've made progress. But I see your point, and 315 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: so I have a solution. Having looked at the demographics 316 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: and how they vote, I would say, Okay, to the 317 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: people who want to appeal the nineteenth Amendment, we can 318 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: take the vote away from the single women who vote 319 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: for Democrats. Hear me out, me out, and then we 320 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: can give two votes to the married women who vote 321 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: for Republicans. Is that a deal. That's called compromise, that's 322 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: called bipartisanship. I think, thank you for your question. Did 323 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: I just say one last thing. 324 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 6: Sure, for one hundred and twenty years we had a border, 325 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 6: and then in nineteen twenty the Nineteenth Amendment came out, 326 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 6: and four years later we had to get the border patrol. 327 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: Just something to pick about. 328 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: No, it's fair, Listen, the seventeenth Amendment wasn't great either, 329 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: the eighteenth Amendment. So I'm willing to look. I'll lump 330 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: the nineteenth in there too, those progressive amendments. But I 331 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: like my conciliation on that. You know, I think that's 332 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: a great. Then we're gonna win all fifty seven states. 333 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 6: Our next vice president, Michael, God bless you. 334 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 335 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: Good evening, Michael. 336 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 7: I know you've said prior that the summation of liberalism 337 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 7: is I hate you, dad, and we've recently lost. 338 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: A husband and a father. 339 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 7: But I know you're a husband and a father, and 340 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 7: I love my own father very much. So I've just 341 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 7: got a two part question for you. What is the 342 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 7: best piece of advice, one that lives in your head, 343 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 7: that you have received from your father? And as a 344 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 7: husband and a father, what piece of advice would you 345 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 7: offer to the husbands and fathers here and those of 346 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 7: us who are to become one soon. 347 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: The best advice that I've gotten from my father. He 348 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: gave it to me in words when I was a teenage. 349 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure he won't even remember it, but he's also 350 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: just demonstrated it in his behavior consistently for my entire life, 351 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: which is I was a punk kid. I wanted to 352 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: fall away from religion. I thought Christopher Hitchins was really clever. 353 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: And I mentioned this to my father and he said, yeah, 354 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: you'll probably come back to it in your twenties or something. 355 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: He avert, and I said, what are you talking about. 356 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm so smart, I've figured everything out. I'm thirteen, and 357 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: I know God doesn't exist. And he just he didn't 358 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: react in a strong way. He just said, yeah, you'll 359 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: probably come back into it, just a kind of steady pace. 360 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: And my beloved father has demonstrated this, and I think 361 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: men really need to demonstrate this at all times. He's 362 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: kept a real even keel. And maybe it's because he's 363 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: a wasp. I don't know what it is. Maybe a 364 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Sicilian gets up a little bit in my blood. But 365 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: men need to keep a real even keel, especially in 366 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: a culture such as ours, which is so emotivist. It's 367 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: so constantly full of passion and vituperation. I find very 368 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: few things more nauseating than an overly emotional man. Calm down, 369 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: get a hold of yourself, discipline your will, act like 370 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: a man, and lead your family. 371 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: Michael, I thank you so much for being here. I 372 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: know it's tough after all of the events that happened. 373 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm going to be the only 374 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: token liberal here, but I'll try. 375 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad at least one showed up. I appreciate it. 376 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: Hopefully there's I'll try my best to play that role. 377 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: So the administration, the current administration has engaged in law 378 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: fair cancel culture and ideological purity tests and a lot 379 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: of things that they've blamed the left for doing. I 380 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: can give like a many examples, like Jimmy Kimmel show 381 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: being canceled. Luckily it's coming back. But you know that's 382 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: how I guess. 383 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: He wasn't canceled, was he. I think you've kind of 384 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 2: undercut your own premise. 385 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: You know, it kind of affects the whole media landscapes. 386 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 3: So Trump trying to fire the member of the Federal 387 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: Reserve Board by coming up with charges that aren't even 388 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: being held up in. 389 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: Court, are they sure? 390 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 391 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: Okay, you know RFK Junior. 392 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: Just one more example, r K Junior firing anyone who 393 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: disagrees with him on vaccines, firing a seventeen member scientific 394 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: board just because he wants more discussion. 395 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: You know what. 396 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out argument. 397 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: So my question is, do you agree with these with 398 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: these dude? 399 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: Sorry? 400 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: Do you disagree with these things actions or do you 401 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: believe that these means justify the ends of the America 402 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: that you want to happen. 403 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: I think I'd want a little more clarity on the 404 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: premise because, just to use your first example, you said 405 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: that the Trump administration is engaging in cancel culture and 406 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: the suppression of free speech because the administration got Jimmy 407 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: Kimmel canceled. First of all, that isn't true. The affiliates 408 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: got Jimmy Kimmel canceled because he made egregious lies about 409 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: the murder of Charlie Kirk based on nothing on public 410 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: airwaves that have to be licensed from the federal government 411 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: in accordance with the FCC, which exists to regulate broadcast networks. 412 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 3: And it always said things like that The issue is that, 413 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 3: like twelve hours before he was fired, the FCC head 414 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 3: went and said, we're going to try to do things 415 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: they're not gonna like, they better change their contact. 416 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: Yet, right, it didn't happen. 417 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: Hold on, it would have legal measures. All they had 418 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: was this threat and using threats to silence opposition, Like 419 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: if they have a case, if they have a law, 420 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: they have a regulation, go for it. There's no regulation. 421 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: They're just let to scare him. And that's scary to me. 422 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: But the problem is, even if that were true, and 423 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm disputing that claim, but even if it were true 424 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: that Jimmy Kimmel were fired because the FCC pressured him, 425 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: he's not fired. His show is back on the air. 426 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: So that example, I think totally undercuts the point you're 427 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: trying to make when you say that Bobby Kennedy is 428 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: the Secretary of Health and Human Services has changed out 429 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: some of the personnel. Yeah, that's what as do. That's 430 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: the whole point is you elect people and then the 431 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: president appoints cabinet segretaries and they're replacing with the people 432 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: that they want in the cabinet. So that's all the 433 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: prerogative of the president. None of this is out of 434 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: the ordinary. Every kind of administration would do. 435 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: It to say they didn't happen. I don't want to 436 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 3: bring like a different Trump assassin attempted assassination. Sure, I 437 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: know that's a bad example right now, but sure that 438 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: was unsuccessful, just like firing Jimmy Kimmel was unsuccessful. But 439 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 3: you know, it affects our entire culture, our entire landscape. 440 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: You can't just ignore say it never happened and it's fine. 441 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that that's the most apt comparison. 442 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: It would be entirely within the rights and actually the 443 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: very purpose of the FCC to regulate the broadcast networks, 444 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: and it's generally frowned upon to or presidential candidates. Uh So, 445 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: I don't see the equivalents if. 446 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: You say it's misinformation, like conservatives using misinformation to try 447 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: to go after political opponents. Yeah, there's there's no there's 448 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: no does the ends justify the means? 449 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 2: Just because when you say the end, you do it 450 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: when you're asking me if the ends justified the means, 451 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: you're suggesting there's a kind of hypocrisy here. There's no 452 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: hypocrisy to the FCC regulating broadcast networks. That's the point. 453 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: There's no hypocrisy to the Secretary of Health and Human 454 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: Services changing out his staff. That's what he does. 455 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: I've never done this. They have never done this. 456 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: Yes, they have Cabinet secretaries change outher's death. 457 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 3: All the time to remove broadcasters. 458 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: The FCC, the FCC has this. The FCC has the 459 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: statutory authority and responsibility to regulate the networks, including in 460 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: cases of inciting public harm. H and end. By the way, 461 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: there's no right of a news network to affiliate stations, 462 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: and there's no right of a news network or a 463 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: networks so cold to lie, to tell egregious lies on 464 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: public airways. If Jimmy Kimmel wants to do that on 465 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: a podcast, he might get better ratings than he does 466 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: on his network television show, which is on the Gold Ones. 467 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: But he has no right to do it on public airways. 468 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: And there's no hypocrisy. There's no double standing. 469 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 3: I think that silencing people for saying lies. What is 470 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: a lie? What is truth? 471 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: A lie is the opposite of the truth, and what 472 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: is truth is what ponscious Pilot asked to Christ before 473 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: he sentenced him to the cross. It's the line of 474 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: a cynic that surrenders his reason. 475 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: He never said anything untrue. He was quoting the governor 476 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: of Utah who said this person didn't come. 477 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimble never said anything on true. 478 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: It's a different country. 479 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimble never said anything. Jimmy Kimmel said that the 480 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: shooter was a Maga Republican, and that's a lie. 481 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: There's no evidence of us, and he quoted publicans. Look, 482 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: we can debate on what. 483 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: We don't have to debate. It's a lie. It's an 484 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: obvious and egregious lie. We don't need to pretend that 485 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: this is complicated at all. The shooter, the shooter was 486 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: a rat left wing activist who inscribed Antifa slogans on 487 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: the bullets and was dating a transferree boyfriend. I don't 488 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: think he voted for Trump. Kim O lied. The audience 489 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: turned on him, the affiliates turned on him. He deserves 490 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: to lose his job. I'm frankly disappointed that he's getting 491 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: his job again, but I'm confident even fewer people will 492 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: watch it this time. 493 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. 494 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm glad you understand. What are you saying? I guess 495 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand, I. 496 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: Like engage you with my point. I thought the whole 497 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: point of this was not. 498 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: I thought, I thought you just said that Jimmy Kimmel 499 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: didn't lie. 500 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: Isn't that what you said? I think that's what you said, 501 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel didn't. First off, he's okay, okay, even if 502 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: we are not going to go on like every single 503 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 3: word and analyze it. But if we're going to put 504 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: people off the air for lying, that is a dangerous 505 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: place to be in. That is a dangerous I don't know. 506 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: I just think that's what public airways do, and we 507 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: already have the right to do it. 508 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 3: We should do something true because now. 509 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I think no, it's I think I 510 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: can get to the heart I think I can get 511 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: to the heart of the of the point that you 512 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: might be endeavoring to make, which is you're asking, how 513 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: can we discern the difference between truth and lies? Who's 514 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: to say what is fit for the public airwaves and 515 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: what is not fit? Who's to say what is true? 516 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: And I guess my answer to that, and the traditional 517 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: American answer to that is someone someone's going to say 518 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: that you and I can say that we have a 519 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: representative government. In principle, we have a self government, and 520 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: so we must have confidence in our reason our ability 521 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: to discern the difference between truth and falsehood, right and wrong. 522 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: If we surrender that ability out of moral relativism, out 523 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: of a squishy kind of cowardice, out of a lack 524 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: of confidence in ourselves, then what we aren't doing necessarily 525 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: is surrendering self government and the entire American project. Many 526 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: people would like to do that. I'm not willing to 527 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: do that. I think we can tell the difference between 528 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: right and wrong, truth and life. We should promote the truth, 529 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: we should suppress the lives, and we should have a 530 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: good country. 531 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: Well, we shouldn't. We shouldn't surrender that to the government. 532 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: We shouldn't have what is I thought we had a 533 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: self government. 534 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: What is true and what is not true? 535 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 2: We necessarily do that by having a judiciary, for instance, 536 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 2: We necessarily do that by having legislators who are making 537 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 2: moral judgments. When we say that we have a self government, 538 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: then what we're saying is that the government in some 539 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: way is reflecting our view of things, and it comes 540 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: from our reason. 541 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: We also have Yeah, we have a judiciary and a 542 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: congress not. 543 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: Just a you know what, I didn't catch the end 544 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: of that. Okay, I think the point has been made. 545 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 8: Well, I'm just gonna start this out by saying that I. 546 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 9: Wrote this in the end of August, obviously before Charlie's passing, 547 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 9: so this was a question for him. But I do 548 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 9: think it's important to read, and I did make an 549 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 9: edit to it on nine to eleven, so I will. 550 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 8: Read that as well. But my name's Maria, and I'm 551 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 8: gonna skip over some things that just for the sake 552 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 8: of time. I do believe labels are too emphasize it, 553 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 8: but in this scenario, I do believe it's important for 554 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 8: the context. First and most importantly, I'm a child of 555 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 8: God and I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord 556 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 8: and savior. I hope that for every person here as well. 557 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 8: I was born in a very poor country, I was 558 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 8: adopted when I was young, and I'm a poster child 559 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 8: for anybody who says that they should have been. 560 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: Aborted for the left. 561 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 8: I'm very pro life. I was previously and shockingly very 562 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 8: pro choice, and I was almost forced into abortion later 563 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 8: in life. And I've also had really horrible experiences with 564 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 8: planned parenthood. 565 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 3: To go off of that. 566 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 8: My question that and you kind of touched on it 567 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 8: today was about the death penalty and being pro life. 568 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 8: Ironically enough, the edit I made to this note on 569 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 8: nine to eleven was, and I'm going to read this 570 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 8: very candidly, but I will censor it. It says, f this, 571 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 8: the death penalty is great, and I hope we use 572 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 8: it on that guy. 573 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 3: F everything. 574 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: I think many people are great. 575 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 8: I will say that I do see the difference between 576 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 8: an innocent baby in the womb in a murderer or 577 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 8: an assassin. But I do still feel like we are 578 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 8: playing as humans were playing Judge, dury and executioner instead 579 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 8: of God. I do believe that God has a plan 580 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 8: for all of us when and when we die, we 581 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 8: either go to heaven or hell, and He will have 582 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 8: the ultimate justice and make everyone, especially murders, answer for 583 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 8: their sins. 584 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: What would you say to. 585 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: That, Well, we do play judge, jury and executioner. We're 586 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 2: the only people who can play that because we live 587 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 2: in a society and so we need judges. We need 588 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 2: judges to decide lawsuits, we need judges to decide criminal 589 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: cases and to protect the innocent. We have juries. We're 590 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 2: lucky that we have jury trials in our system and 591 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 2: we have executioners. Because there's nothing intrinsically evil about the 592 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 2: death penalty. Some people make arguments from prudence that it 593 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: might no longer be necessary in our advanced society, though 594 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm skeptical, since we frequently let criminals off the hook 595 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: and there are calls from mainstream politicians to abolish prisons. 596 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: So I actually think that prudential argument is a bit 597 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: weaker today than it was even decades ago. But Saint 598 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: Paul tells us that the civil authority does not bear 599 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: the sword in vain. We know that throughout history, at 600 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: least for the mackerel snapping papists out here, there have 601 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: been popes, not only who are some out here in Minnesota. 602 00:37:52,520 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 2: We know for the Catholics in the crowd that we 603 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: know that there are popes who not only defended the 604 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 2: death penalty, but actually carried them out, including Blessed Pious 605 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: the Ninth, who carried out some five hundred executions in 606 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: the Papal States. So I don't think one could say 607 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: it's intrinsically evil. I don't think we would call Saint 608 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: Paul a murderer, and it gets to the question of 609 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: what punishment is for. Yeah, you know, punishment has three purposes. 610 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: The first one is retribution. It's because you do something wrong. 611 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 2: We don't put people in prison or on death row 612 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: simply because they have some bad habits. You know, we 613 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: could all use a little rehabilitation. I'm sure that's not 614 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: the reason. 615 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 4: You go to jail. 616 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: It's because you did something, so there's retribution for what 617 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: you did. The second purpose is deterrence and obviously protecting 618 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: the public. We loop that in. But then another purpose 619 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 2: is rehabilitation. We want to correct these errors in people 620 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 2: because it's actually cruel to the criminals to let them 621 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 2: persist in their degradation. It's very hard, harmful to their 622 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: lives and ultimately to their souls, so we want to 623 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 2: correct them. This is an argument that goes back to Plato, 624 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: if not further back. There's a line from doctor Johnson 625 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: who says, depend upon it, sir. When a man knows 626 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his 627 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: mind wonderfully. That actually, when a man is facing death, 628 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 2: it can focus him. It can cause him to think 629 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 2: more deeply on spiritual matters. It can actually help to 630 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: rehabilitate his soul. For this and all of the other reasons, 631 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 2: the death penalty has never been thought of as an 632 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: intrinsic evil, and it can be called for if you say, 633 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 2: then we're playing God, Well, are we not playing God 634 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 2: when we sentence someone to thirty years in prison? Are 635 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 2: we not playing God when we enact any other kind 636 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 2: of justice and when we pass any other kind of laws. No, 637 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 2: what we're doing is recognizing that God gives certain authority 638 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: to the civil government for our good because we live 639 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: in society. We're a political creature and we are going 640 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 2: to live that way somehow, and so we might as 641 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 2: well do it for the common good. That's a responsibility 642 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: that falls on human beings. We do it to the 643 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 2: best of our ability. We ask for God's grace in that, 644 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 2: but we can't shirk the responsibility because the alternative is 645 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 2: chaos and disorder, and there's nothing Christian about that. 646 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 3: I think. 647 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 8: I definitely my mind has been changed a lot on 648 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 8: the death funnels, even this last week. But I just 649 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 8: have a hard time because I think that if we're 650 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 8: putting someone to death, I think we might not have 651 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 8: known what the plan that God had for them. Was 652 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 8: because we whoever it was. 653 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 2: Maybe the plan was that we kill him through the 654 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: civil authority. 655 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 8: Sorry, say that again. 656 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: Maybe the plan was that we, through our civil authority, 657 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 2: bring him to trial and convict him of a capital 658 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 2: offense and execute capital punishment. Why is that precluded from 659 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 2: God's plan? Why is that the one thing that we're 660 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 2: not allowed to do? You know, I understand the fear 661 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 2: and the awe and the face of God of interfering 662 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: with God's plans. It's very difficult to interfere with God's plans. 663 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: The only way. The only thing you can do is 664 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: to oppose God, and God is still going to win 665 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: in the end. You can oppose God when you sin, 666 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 2: when you commit an act of evil. There is nothing 667 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: that I see about the death penalty that is intrinsically evil, 668 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 2: and so I think your conscience is clear on that 669 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 2: matter and on anything else. You might say, well, I 670 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: had a burrito for lunch. What if God wanted me 671 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 2: to have a hamburger? You know, he might have I 672 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 2: don't know. We have to ask for God's grace. We 673 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 2: have to use our reason to discern his will as 674 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: best we can, and we have to use our abilities 675 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 2: to cooperate with God's will, and we do that prayerfully, 676 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 2: and we hope for the best. I don't think there's 677 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: something magical about capital punishment that that excludes that from 678 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 2: all the rest of human action. 679 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 8: The last thing I'll say is, I think, again, this 680 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 8: is a controversial topic, but I do believe that abortion 681 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 8: isn't correct in any case, and a lot of times 682 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 8: that includes rape, incest, all of those things. But I 683 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 8: will say that a lot of times, even I have 684 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 8: used this before, we say that we don't justify evil 685 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 8: with evil, And I again, I'm feeling so difficult about this, 686 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 8: but I feel like we're choosing evil, you know. 687 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 2: Or so if you if you think the death penalty 688 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 2: is evil, then I could see how you would arrive 689 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 2: at that conclusion. But but I wonder you're a Christian, 690 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 2: I take it, And so then how could you conclude 691 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 2: that the death penalty is evil? When Saint Paul writes 692 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: in the Letter to the Romans that the civil authority 693 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: is given to us for our own good and does 694 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 2: not bear the sword in vain? How could you conclude 695 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 2: from that that the death penalty is evil? When he 696 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,919 Speaker 2: says that it's appointed by God. 697 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 8: I haven't thought about it like that. 698 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: Here you go, all right? I helped in one way. 699 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 2: Charlie would have taken care of that five minutes ago. 700 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 2: It takes me a little longer, but I'm glad I 701 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 2: could help in some way. 702 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 8: Thank you so much for your time. 703 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks. 704 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 2: Charlie would have gotten through that in fifteen seconds. 705 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 10: Hey Michael, I want to thank you for taking your 706 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 10: time out of your night to come here. And I 707 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 10: know you have a pretty chaotic travel schedule, especially coming 708 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 10: from Phoenix yesterday. However, coming from a devouted Christian who 709 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 10: gave his life to Christ in tenth grade, which was 710 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 10: the best decision I've ever made in my life. 711 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: I just want to ask. 712 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 10: I went through high school in a very liberal institution, 713 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 10: and I'm now at a very liberal institution for college. 714 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 10: How can I go about defending my faith in such 715 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 10: a liberal state and a liberal institution. 716 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 2: Oh, it's You're so lucky. You're so lucky because you've 717 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 2: got fish in a barrel. You I strongly suspect living 718 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 2: in our modern culture. You've heard the arguments for atheism, 719 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 2: You've heard the arguments for liberalism and all manner of disorder. 720 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: You've heard them you've decided they're wrong and you've come 721 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 2: to a different conclusion. When you go to a liberal university, 722 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 2: especially in a liberal state, these people have simply never 723 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: heard the other side. And I can speak a little 724 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: personally to this, because when I arrived at university, liberal 725 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 2: university from a liberal state into another liberal state, I 726 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 2: called myself an atheist. And I met a lot of 727 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 2: atheists who were smarter than me. And I met Christians, 728 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 2: and I met i'm at Jews, and I met all 729 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 2: sorts of people who believed in God and who I 730 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 2: noticed made much better arguments than the atheists. And I 731 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: think all you really have to do is is just 732 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 2: figure out what the person's hold up is. For me, 733 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 2: it was an intellectual hubris, and so the way to 734 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 2: start cracking that was. The intellectual arguments for God could 735 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 2: be the five ways of Saint Thomas Aquinas could be 736 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 2: the ontological argument. There are many good arguments for God. 737 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 2: If someone hates God because I don't know, she hates 738 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 2: her dad or something like that, you know, liberalism, then 739 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 2: you can If that's the case, then then you speak 740 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,919 Speaker 2: in a personal way, and you speak in a way 741 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 2: that gets it. That kind of family dynamic. If you're 742 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 2: speaking to someone who's been raised in heretical and erroneous 743 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 2: religion and is arguing not against God but a false 744 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 2: conception of God, then you correct that heresy. But you 745 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 2: have to be as Saint Paul says, all things to 746 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 2: all men for their good. And when you're in a 747 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 2: liberal university like that, you're going to be speaking to 748 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 2: people who have very likely never considered your arguments. It's 749 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 2: going to be lay up after layup man. That's great, congratulations, 750 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You know, the premise of the 751 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 2: question is how do I defend my faith here? Forget 752 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 2: about defending your faith, think about advancing your faith. The 753 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 2: gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. That 754 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 2: means the church Church is moving. 755 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 4: It's on the advance. 756 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 3: On that. 757 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 11: Hi Michael, my name is Brooke and I was trying 758 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 11: not to come up here and cry, but I guess 759 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 11: I'm going to anyway. 760 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 2: I almost lost it at the top of my speech too. 761 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 2: And I do this for a living. It's very difficult 762 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 2: these days. That makes me feel better, Thank you. 763 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 11: I had the privilege to see Charlie lax Steer while 764 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 11: he was in Madison, and I didn't go up and 765 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 11: speak to him, and I really wish I would have 766 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 11: told him that he's one of my heroes, but you 767 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 11: are too, so I. 768 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 2: Just wanted to say thank you for that. 769 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 11: I'm listening your show every day and that's been helping 770 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 11: me so. But my question, I do have a question, 771 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 11: actually is. 772 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,399 Speaker 2: I was just gonna leave it on the compliment, that's all. 773 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 11: No, it's a good question though, because I love you. 774 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 11: So my question is, in a state that's so liberal 775 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 11: and so many of our churches are really liberal, I'm 776 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 11: not sure where I'm supposed to go to find good 777 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 11: leadership because I just went to the Lutheran church where 778 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 11: I grew up and where I was confirmed, and they 779 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 11: kind of glossed over Charlie Kirk and went straight into 780 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 11: talking about like Melissa Hortman and other things that are 781 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 11: obviously tragedies too, But they just glossed over Charlie Kirk. 782 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 11: And that doesn't align with my values, glossing over somebody 783 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 11: who died for his religion. And so I'm just wondering, 784 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 11: how do I find a church here? Is it just 785 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 11: trial and error or what do I do? 786 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 2: Just offering suggestions? Come to my church don't go to 787 00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 2: my church. I I'm no ex burd on Lutheranism, I 788 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 2: gotta admit. However, in my experience as a Catholic, there 789 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 2: are plenty of bad homilies and pretty liberal churches with 790 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 2: all that sappy music from the seventies and the Birkenstocks, 791 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 2: and we don't have to get into it, but it happens. 792 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 2: And sometimes the homilies or you know, half the Communist 793 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 2: manifesto or something, and it's really frustrating. However, in the 794 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 2: Catholic understanding of things, which is a sacramental theology, we 795 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 2: believe in the Eucharist, you know, the real presence of 796 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 2: Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity in the sacrament instead 797 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 2: when things go abroad, So that helps us get through 798 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 2: bad homilies. I've been blessed with very good pastors, but 799 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 2: that helps you get through bad homilies. And so, you know, 800 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 2: with a more sacramental theology, like the mainline Protestant churches, 801 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 2: that might help you through bad, bad homilies. In the 802 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 2: more non denominal churches, you're out a lot. I don't know. 803 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 2: You got to find a good pastor, I guess, because 804 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 2: the whole thing is about the sermon. But I would say, 805 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 2: ask yourself why you're going, And the answer to me is, 806 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't go to church primarily to hear a good lecture. 807 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 2: I love lectures. I listen to a million religious lectures 808 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 2: all the time. But I go there to worship, which 809 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 2: is a different kind of act in a way. It's 810 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 2: sort of the distinction between the temple and the synagogue, 811 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 2: and so I go there for an act of worship. 812 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 2: And I think that if you seek churches that understand 813 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 2: what the service even is, that have that different understanding, 814 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the rest of it is 815 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 2: going to follow. And in our modern culture, I don't 816 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 2: think there's anything bad about going to the church across town, 817 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 2: because what's going to happen over time is those liberal 818 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 2: churches are going to peder out because people are showing 819 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 2: up on Sunday for something different