1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: together after another pro day? Buck, How you do? Man? Man? 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: I am doing great. You know I'm great because we 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to watch two quarterbacks to at a 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: top quarterbacks, CJ. Strout and Bryce Young throw on back 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: to back days. And the great part of it is 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: we get a chance to talk about it now. Yeah, 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: we got these pro days. We're gonna break down. We're 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: also going to look into what's going on with the 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Jets in a trade that was quite interesting yesterday. We'll 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: jump into that and what does that mean for the 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: future of both the Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets. 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: We'll tackle that question and a little bit. But we 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: are We're coming off of a couple of pro days here. 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Let's start. First of all, let's go with the one 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: we just saw. It's fresh in our mind. We just 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: got out of the studio. We covered it from here 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and that was Bryce Young's Pro Day. 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Just first thought after watching that today, Man, he's a 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: fantastic player. He's a fantastic player that makes the game 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: looks so easy, and we'll put out his disclaimer out 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: about pro days and what we glean from it. The 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: one thing that you want to see in a pro 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: day is like, the ball shouldn't hit the ground. You 26 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: just want to check out. The overall mechanics you want 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: to see him is basically layup lines. When you go 28 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: to an NBA basketball game, you see everyone due the 29 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: little fancy stuff, put the ball off the window and 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: do it. And so for Bryce Young, we got an 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: opportunity to see him do what he does well. He 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: can sit here and throw it. He showed us that 33 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: he can throw the ball on the move. We saw 34 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: him go to the right to the left, spinning it, 35 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: doing it at different angles, hidding different targets and those things. 36 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: But it's just a reminder of how easy it is 37 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: for him to make the throws that you have to 38 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: make in an NFL offense. I liken it too. Going 39 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: to buy a car and you're going to test drive 40 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: the car and the guy gets in the back seat, 41 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: and you know, the guy from the dealership hops in 42 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the back seat, so you take it out, you go 43 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: around the block, goes hey, you hop on the free 44 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: over there, you're like, Nah, it's good. That's the one 45 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: trip around the block. I like it. It's a nice car. 46 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, it was not a showoff Pro Day. 47 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: It was just to show up Pro Day. It's a 48 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: proof of life Pro Day. Yeah, approove of life Pro Day. 49 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: And you know we said this during the Pro Day 50 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: special on NFL Plus. We talked about is very much 51 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: business as usual and the thing that you get from 52 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Bryce Young having played in the program where he played 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: in Alabama, very business like approach. When you go beyond this, 54 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to have this conversation as we get 55 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: closer to the draft, there is some comfort when your 56 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback is all business, no thrills, no thrills. You 57 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: know exactly what you get in day in, day out. 58 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: I get that sense that Bryce Young is the same day, 59 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: He's the same player every day. He is consistent in 60 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: his approach, He's consistent in the way that he goes 61 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: about his business at practice, and because of that, he 62 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: is going to be a consistent performer when it comes 63 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: to game day. Some of that is him, some of 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: that is also a byproduct of playing for Alabama and 65 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: how consistent that program is with their business life process 66 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: hasn't really had a stinker game, you know, when you 67 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: go through We were talking about the games he's lost 68 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: in college, he's performed well those games that they've lost. 69 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: I mean the one maybe exception, would be the championship 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: game against Georgia when James and Williams gets hurt in 71 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the first half. It's a three to three game. Now 72 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: he's got no MATCHI no Jamison Williams against that defense. 73 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: But he tore him up in the in the championship 74 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: game that year. In twenty one. This year, you look 75 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: at the two losses that he had and you go, okay, well, 76 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: tennessee why I score forty nine points, should have made 77 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: a kick at the end of a regulation and won 78 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: the game. The game misses it. You look at the 79 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: LSU game. He drives them, gets them in overtime, and 80 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: then scores in their first possession, and Brian Kelly says, 81 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: screw that, I'm going for two. I'm not giving the 82 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: ball back to that dude. That one ends that way. 83 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: So he just to me, I know, the height doesn't 84 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: bother us. The weight is a legitimate thing. It's a 85 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: legitimate concern, and you worry about that, but Buck Like, 86 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: I just feel like if you were looking at a 87 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: like a graph of his performances, it's like it's just straight, 88 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: like there's no there's no ebbs and flows to his game, 89 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: like he's the same dude every time he gets on 90 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: the field. I took this from an old coach, a 91 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: coach that is at South Carolina State, Buddy Pugh, and 92 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: he talked about it, if you want a team to 93 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: plays consistently, you have to have consistent practice methods and 94 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: consistency in terms of what you do every day. When 95 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: I think about Bryce Young and how consistent he has 96 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: been throughout his career, I think about the program Alabama 97 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: and how we consistently. Hear about Nick Saban talking about 98 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: his process is playing in his approach. It is not 99 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: a coincidence that he has been that player who has 100 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: not had a stinker performance. And so I'm gonna take 101 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: this even though they're not similar players. Let's think about 102 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and how Jalen Hurts has embraced the process, 103 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: how consistent he is as a player, how consistent he 104 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: is when it comes to preparing, and how he demands 105 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: that consistency from his teammates and how consistent the Philadelphia 106 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: Eagles played. When you get Bryce Young, you get a 107 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: little bit of that model that comes from Alabama and 108 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: what he took from Nick Saban. There's a lot to 109 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: be said for that in terms of franchise quarterback who 110 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: understands the process of performing at a high level and 111 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: has bought into that process that enables him to be 112 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: a leader who might be able to convey that to 113 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: his teammates as your team has become a very consistent 114 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: perennial contender in the AFC or in the NFC. The 115 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: way that you describe that, I was thinking of. You know, 116 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: there's some guys as you go through the spring process, Man, 117 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: I gotta play the role. I'm gonna play the role 118 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: as somebody who's dialed in and prepared. I'm gonna say 119 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: the right things and I'm gonna ask the right questions. 120 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be you know I'm gonna play this dude. 121 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: Is that he's the authentic real deal. Is no no, 122 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: nothing phony or fake about him. And you know what 123 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: you know what you're getting. You absolutely know what you're getting. 124 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: And it can be I guess understated about just the 125 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: consistency DJ. There is something to be said for that. 126 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Like we can always talk about, hey man, we want 127 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: high floors or whatever, but a lot of times the 128 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: guys that get it are the high like high ceilings. 129 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: We talk about high floors, the guys that you know, 130 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: here's the base, here's exactly what I'm getting at his worst. Okay, 131 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: I can work around that. Anything beyond that is gravy. 132 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: I have a good sense that when Bryce Young shows up, 133 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: he walks into facility, I kind of know the player 134 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: that I'm getting, and I know the performs that I'm 135 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: gonna get on the field. Yeah, and you know, there's 136 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: a lot of different things we got a chance to 137 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: touch on during the pro day, you know, some of 138 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: the skill set stuff, and he talked about it in 139 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: an interview afterwards. He can throw from every different arm slot. 140 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: He can do you know, on schedule as the play 141 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: is designed, and then he can create off schedule if 142 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: things go awry, and there's a there's just a lot 143 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: to like about him from that standpoint. Now, the durability 144 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: is the question, and I think it's important to also 145 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: remind people, Well, you go back and look at the 146 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: hits he took in the SEC. It's like watching we 147 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: were talking about off they are talking about the basketball tournament, 148 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: how they play a different brand of physicality there in 149 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: the SEC, they're I count of fourteen charted all the 150 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: hits he took in the pocket. I counted fourteen hits 151 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: that he took this year that would have resulted in penalties, fines, 152 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: and maybe even in a couple of them suspensions. He 153 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: took monster shots in there. You can't hit him like that. 154 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: In the NFL you're allowed too. You're not allowed to 155 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: and you know some of the durability stuff. I don't 156 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: want to say it's overblown, but if your quarterback gets 157 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: hit in the National Football League, he is going to 158 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: get hurt. Like That's kind of a part of it. 159 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: When we've seen these guys, because let's look at some 160 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: of the bigger, more physical players that have played the position. 161 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Young guys justin fields. He got hit, he got hurt. 162 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: Jalen hurt's physical runner, he got pen I saw Herbert's 163 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: ribs get all busted us. So the main thing is understanding, 164 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: here's what it is. We need to make sure that 165 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: we if we take Bryce Young, put him around the 166 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: best offensive line we have an offense that has answers 167 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: to take the pressures, the blitzes and those things that 168 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: come after him, and that he's good enough to deal 169 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: with that. Watching him on tape, his processing speed, his 170 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: decision making suggests that he is able to handle all 171 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: of that stuff. And when you think about Joe Burrow, 172 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: because we've talked about it, yeah, sometimes early in Joe 173 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Burrow's career was hey, man, let's you know, let's have 174 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: all these guys that have all these answers. But then 175 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: it came to, hey, let's empty it out and let's 176 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: let Joe Burrow be the guy that makes the offensive line, right, 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: Joe Burrows being able to do it. Yes, he popped 178 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: at ACL, He's come back and played at a high level. 179 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: You can't go wrong banking on the player, the person 180 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: behind the situation. I think Bryce Young is going to 181 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: be fine. He's gonna be a great player. Yeah. No, 182 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: we've touched on it in all all different facets here. 183 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: What does Caroline do? I honestly don't know. I don't 184 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: have a great feel for that. I don't think that 185 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna let the cat out of the bag either. 186 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: If they're doing their homework, and all these guys at 187 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: the pro days. Everybody's gonna read into every little thing 188 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: that happens. I think we might all get always the 189 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: draft and not know who it is, which to me's fine. 190 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Makes it fun to me though, Like when we're talking, yeah, 191 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: they have to have an idea to me, when you 192 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: have Dave Tepper at these workhouts, Dave Tepper is the 193 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: one that is making this decision because he has to 194 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: feel comfortable with the guy who's gonna represent the franchise 195 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: and in terms of how he goes about his business, 196 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: what he's like when they're together. He wants to observe, well, 197 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: what is that kinship and connection between the quarterback and 198 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the head coach? How does that play out? What combination 199 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: of head coach back is going to give us the 200 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to have the consistent results that we want to 201 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: be a championship team. He's looking at all of that 202 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: while also interviewing the player, but he's looking at the 203 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: interactions of the prospect with the coaching staff and how 204 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: that could work. He is going to weigh in heavily 205 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: on this decision. Do you remember at the Senior Bowl 206 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: when they were coaching and he went down there and 207 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: it was we found out because he wanted to see 208 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: Mac Jones up close and personal. And that was the 209 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: year they were picking what eight or nine? Yeah, they're 210 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: picking yeah, and then they end up passing on him 211 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: and Justin Fields in that draft didn't take one. And 212 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: it's almost like he said, well, I'm gonna take this 213 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: decision out of their hands. We're going ahead and trade 214 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: all the way up to the number one over I'll 215 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: pick were taking one of these dudes. And he likes 216 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: to go out there and see these guys with his 217 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: own eyes, so he likes to invarve, wouldn't you. I mean, 218 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: it's no different than you and I. If you're gonna 219 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: have somebody to come and do some work on your house, 220 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: well you want to vet them out, come right in 221 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: the check. I need to know exactly what I'm getting. 222 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: I want to kind of do a little background, do 223 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: a little research to see, Okay, who am I spending 224 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: my money with and what kind of work am I 225 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: getting for what I'm paying. That's what Dave Tepper wants 226 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: to do. He wants to look see Bryan go to work. 227 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: He wants to talk to Nick Saban directly. What is 228 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: he What kind of leader is he going to be 229 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: as they begin to take all this information and then 230 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: make the right choice. Because I remember he comes from 231 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the business side of it. He understands, Okay, workers, this 232 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: is what I want, these type of guys that I 233 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: want around my budding business. Let's make sure it's right man. 234 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: No doubt, it's gonna be interesting to see what they 235 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: end up doing. So that's what took place there at 236 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: the pro day there in Alabama, again a no frills 237 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: pro day. Did through the ball fine, through the ball well, 238 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: showed the stuff on schedule, showed the movement fine. It 239 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: was not a showoff pro day. It wasn't a while 240 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: pro day. We've seen more explosive, more dynamic throws at 241 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: pro days. But he did what he needed to do, 242 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: just kind of a business a business approaches usually used 243 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: that term. There was another pro Day that we had 244 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: right before that, and that was with CJ. Stroud. So 245 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: your thoughts on what we saw from CJ. Strout similar 246 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: but a little different. He also is very business like 247 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: in terms of his approach in his process. You go 248 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: up there, you watch him for him at Columbus and 249 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: you see a guy who's very, very mature about the 250 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: way that he goes about his business. First thing that 251 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: stood out to me natural throw easy and Sunday morning 252 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: just very easy. When the ball comes out, he can 253 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: make it. You talked about the difference in their release 254 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: points in terms of Bryce Young showing various release points, 255 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: where CJ. Stroud is very consistent in terms of where 256 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: the ball comes out over the top. It's out, it's consistently. 257 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: But because he's so consistent in terms of where he 258 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: releases it, he's also very consistent in how he paints 259 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: the strike zone. You talk about a guy that consistently 260 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: hits the strike zone, that's CJ. Stroud. And there's not 261 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: a throw that you will make in the National Football 262 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: League that's not within his willhouse. And so there's some 263 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: comfort to watching a quarterback who plays the position the 264 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: way the position has been played the last thirty years, 265 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: traditional drop back passer, do it all, play action, and 266 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: can do it from the shotgun. Those things. He's just 267 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: checks off a lot of boxes in terms of being 268 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: the classic drop back passer who has a potential to 269 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: be a high end player at the next level. He 270 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: used the MP which I loved, and you talked about 271 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: the difference being like a Klay Thompson versus a Steph Curry, 272 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: And I'll let you explain that here in a second. 273 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: When I was looking at it and and thinking about it, 274 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: I was the word that kept coming back to my 275 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: mind when I was watching CJ. Stroud was fundamental, Like 276 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe this is Tim Duncan. This is like the big fundamental, 277 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: like everything is. That's it's teaching tape of your alignment, 278 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: of where your body is, where your lower half is, 279 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: the release point, being consistent every single time. I mean 280 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: you go back to you know, when your kids and 281 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: you go to a basketball camp when you're in third 282 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: grade and they're telling you, hey, if you can, you 283 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: gotta be able to repeat it. You gotta be able 284 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: to repeat it, and it's gonna be You're gonna be 285 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: a better shooter if you can repeat it. That's that's him. 286 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: He's in the same alignment with the same release point. 287 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: Whereas Bryce can freelance it a little bit, he can 288 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: get he's got a little more flexibility and fluidity to 289 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: his game. Where I think with CJ, it's textbook. Yeah, 290 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: it's time to go to comparison. So what DJ is 291 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: mentioning is And we've done this comparison before on the podcast, 292 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: where one player, one quarterback, is more of a shooter, 293 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: the other one is a score. And so in this CJ. 294 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: Stroud to me, is more of the shooter you talked about, 295 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: fundamental mechanics, everything is pretty flawless in terms of how 296 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: he goes about his business in the position. Bryce Young 297 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: is more the score, more creativity, more pizzazz, a little 298 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: more of that magic. And so two players that come 299 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: to mind. Clay Thompson to me is more like CJ. Stroud. 300 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Steph Curry is more like Bryce Young. Two great players 301 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: on the Splash Brothers. Which one would you read the 302 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: build around the guy that is the fundamental guy, the 303 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: guy that has all the mechanics, or the guy that 304 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: is the dazzling performer but not necessarily have the prototypical demands, 305 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: the protypical dimensions that you look for. I don't think 306 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: you can go wrong. Both guys can put it into basket. 307 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: That's ultimately what the goal is. Can you lead your 308 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: team to the winner circle. Both guys have been able 309 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: to do it throughout their career. And I did notice 310 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: that according to social media that we did tick somebody 311 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: off with what we said at the prote coverage, which 312 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: I knew that we would buck, you know what, took 313 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: them off about everything? What would you say we said 314 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: they could be good? Oh my gouys can't say that. 315 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: Not allowed to say that. You can't say you like 316 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: two people. You gotta love one hate the other one. 317 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: It's not allowed. That's so crazy. Come on, man, to 318 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: me the thing that I take from it, and we 319 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: have Will Levis's pro day tomorrow. You can check that 320 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: out on NFL Plus. But there's a separation from the 321 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: pack for me too. There's a separation in terms of 322 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Bryce Young and c J. Strout. They're out there on 323 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: their own, and then there's the rest of the pack. 324 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Now we can determine is there separation between two. We 325 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: still have time to figure it out. But to me, 326 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: it should be a two man race for the number 327 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: one overall. Pick CJ. Strout and Bryce Young. I can't 328 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: see any of these other guys being worthy of being 329 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: the number one, not only in terms of like their 330 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: body of work on the field, but even with all 331 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: the physical dimensions and stuff that they could bring. It's 332 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: hard for me to say that I'm going to gamble on, 333 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: like what's behind door number three? When I see these two, 334 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean look very very competent, very high end players 335 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: behind doors number one in two. All right, last analogy. 336 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: This is the most analogy rich podcast that we've ever done. Classic. 337 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: We've touched on all these different sports. Here's the last 338 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: one on this um. Those top two guys you talk 339 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: about the separation luck. Remember when you're a little kid 340 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: you go to the bowling and they put the little 341 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: bumpers in there. Yeah, no gutter balls, No gutter balls. 342 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: With those top two quarterbacks, it might bounce off, We're 343 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: gonna get a couple of pins. I might not get 344 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: a strike, but I know get I'm getting a gutter 345 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: ball out of this thing. The other two. When you 346 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: talk about Richardson and Levis, Hey, you might get a strike, 347 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: but those bumpers aren't there. That's huge for me. First 348 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: bowling analogy and over nine hundred episodes and moved to 349 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: stand out. I actually love bowler. I used to love 350 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: going to the student. You a spinner or are you 351 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: just a straight, straight straight same? I never wanted to 352 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: be the spinner. It looks so I can't control it, 353 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and no glove no glove, no, no glove, no, no 354 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: no extra stuff sunglasses. Pete Weberson, No, I like that. 355 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: I like that dude, though he's got a little some 356 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: to them. Listen, I actually enjoy You know, it's kind 357 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: of gross as you get older and look back on it, 358 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: But I always thought the bowling she was pretty comfy. Yeah, 359 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: comfortable bowling. She kind of slide out there. Are you? 360 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Are you a veil crow bowling or are you just 361 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the strain? Come on, we gotta lace them up. We're not, 362 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean velcrows. Come on, let's say I mean, let's 363 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: class it up, a little bit, class up. And so 364 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: you're right, both of these guys, and I know we 365 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: say it, and we are definitely in the time where 366 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: the top two quarterbacks can't be the best two quarterbacks. 367 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: They both can't be good, because that's not what we see. 368 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: But there's comfort in buying both of these guys, not 369 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: only from what they've done on the field, but the 370 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: football character and as essential, I'm willing to kind of 371 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: bet on both of these guys having success. One mate 372 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: ultimately have more than the other. Both of these guys 373 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: strike me as safe fixed And I know people don't 374 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: like safe. I think both of them are very very safe. 375 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We're gonna come back. 376 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna jump into this trade. An interesting trade and 377 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: it's not the one that we've all been waiting for 378 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: with the Jets, but an interesting one nonetheless. With that 379 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: right after this, all right, Buck, So here's the trade 380 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: that went down. It actually followed the signing of Mikole Hardman, 381 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: So Chief's wide receiver, Miko Hardman, who's been a little 382 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: bit banged up. He signs a one year deal. In 383 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: terms of the number, I guess it could go up 384 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: to six point five. I don't think it's close to 385 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: six point five currently. But the Jets after that signing, 386 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: they ship out Elijah Moore, who was not happy last year, 387 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: and a third round pick to the Browns for their 388 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: second round pick. So the Jets now sit at forty 389 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: two and forty three. So your thoughts on Elijah Moore 390 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: going to the Cleveland Browns and what does this mean 391 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: going forward with the Jets going to the Cleveland Browns. 392 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: It just adds more firepower around Deshaun Watson Amari Cooper 393 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: being the number one receiver. You just want to continue 394 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: to surround Deshaun Watson with the talent that he needs 395 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: to be the successful. This is a year where the 396 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: pressure jumps on Deshaun Watson. He has to play at 397 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: a high level. He has to play at a level 398 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: that is commisserate of the big, fully guaranteed contract that 399 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: he had. He has to play like a top quarterback. 400 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: We need to see that. The Browns want to give 401 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: him every opportunity to do that. That's why those moves 402 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: are designed to do that. For the Jets, this is 403 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of what we talked about in terms 404 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: of we need to get this deal done. Yeah, So 405 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: regardless of whether you want to give a number one, nah, 406 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: how about we give you multiple twos to see if 407 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: we do it. But now they have enough ammunition to 408 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: make this a very attractive offer to the Green Bay 409 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: Packers because you can take those twos, package them off 410 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: and get the one that you desire. This is about 411 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and securing Aaron Rodgers for the Jets. They 412 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: now find a way to get another trade chip to 413 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: be able to offer up to the Green Bay Packers 414 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: to get this done. Yeah. The other thing I would 415 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: add too, is we'll see how this you know what 416 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: this contract looks like with Aaron Rodgers and how they 417 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: fit that in their budget. But one of the things 418 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: you notice when you go from a rookie quarterback deal 419 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: as they had with Zack Wilson to now there's going 420 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: to be some significant money there with Aaron Rodgers. However 421 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: they work this thing out for the next couple of years. 422 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: To me, the biggest bargain and football right now our 423 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: second round picks, because they're the cheapest starters. You get 424 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: four years a cheap starter. So I'm almost looking at 425 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: that saying, man, I know, man, you don't want to 426 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: part with the one I personally would rather If you're 427 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna end up costing you a one, I'd rather give 428 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: him thirteen this year, then next year's one, not knowing 429 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: what that number could be, and I'll say, okay, well 430 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: I got I got forty two and forty three. I 431 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: need a center. I might get one of the best 432 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: centers in the draft at forty two. I need a linebacker, 433 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: a safety. Forty two, forty three, those are those are starters. 434 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: Let's be really about this draft class. In this draft class, 435 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: they're probably about maybe fifteen to eighteen guys that would 436 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: be consensus first round grades in any year. When you 437 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: feel like you have a class like that that might 438 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: be a little devoid of some of the traditional blue 439 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: chip players that we would see. You're more, you're readily, 440 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: you're willing to move off of those guys. Yeah, okay, 441 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: it's not a great class. Will give you the thirteen, 442 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: did you have at it? Yeah, and we're done, by 443 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: the way, if we get thirteen, maybe I'll give you 444 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: some of four next year or something. But that's the 445 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: that's the main thing. We're done. But this is a 446 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: class where we see a lot of really good players 447 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: fifteen to thirty five, fifteen to forty forty five, and 448 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: then you have two picks in that range where you 449 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: can make up. Maybe you find a way to move 450 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: up a little bit to get the players that you want. 451 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: That's what this is about. And so you're right, maybe 452 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: it is let's auction off thirteen because we may not 453 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: feel strongly about a blue chip player coming back. We 454 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: got the quarterback. Let's see if we can get some 455 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: starters that we can surround Aaron Rodgers with for the 456 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: next three to four years. Yeah, and it's interesting the Jets. 457 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that's gonna be fascinating, is if 458 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: we fast forward, because they had that draft last year, 459 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: which was unbelievable. But they're gonna have all those tickets 460 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: coming up at the same time. You're gonna have to 461 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: pay all those dudes at the same time. That's gonna 462 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: be that that's a good problem to have. But they're 463 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: gonna have a bunch of those dudes, and it is 464 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: a good problem to have. The one thing that you 465 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: would like to think, Aaron Rodgers money will be off 466 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: the books by them. Yeah, they'll have to make some 467 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: decisions going forward on which guys are worthy, and there's 468 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: time for that to play out, because just because you 469 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: have a great yukie rookie year doesn't mean you can 470 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: be able to sustain that high level of success, and 471 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: so there'll be some attrition. But you would love to 472 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: have as many Day two picks as you can because 473 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you absolutely can get quality starters. And this is, you know, 474 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: somewhat related here, but I think the league has paid 475 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: attention to what the Chiefs did. So the Chiefs paid 476 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Obviously have the best quarterback, and they paid 477 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback. But then they've made trades to get oatloads 478 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: of picks, and there's a difference. And then you could say, well, 479 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: like look at the difference between a veteran minimum deal 480 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: and then what you're paying a fourth you know, third 481 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: fourth round pick, Like that's significantly different. They have all 482 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: these cheap starters, all these young draft picks. You make 483 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: it up in the margins. They've been able to do it, 484 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: and they can't see the Chiefs won a super Bowl 485 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: while rebuilding their team. Yeah, they won a super Bowl 486 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: while rebuilding their rosters. Massive changes, massive changes, massive changes, 487 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: jung starters, rookies everywhere on defense, and they were able 488 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. So the scary part is 489 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: they can't see the Chiefs. When these guys grow up, 490 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: they still have the quarterback and there could be really, 491 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: really good And so yes, it's a copycat league. People 492 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: will look at the different team building models and copy that, 493 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: and Kansas City's ability to succeed will encourage others to 494 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: follow that. But the key to that, you better make 495 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: sure your quarterback is of that quality that we talked 496 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: about Pat Mhall is because you can do it with 497 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: an average quarterback where you overpay them and then think 498 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: that an average guy being paid a boatload is going 499 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: to elevate all those young guys playing all those chief deals. 500 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more question in regards to 501 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, And we've touched on this in the past, 502 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: but I don't know if we've done a deep dive 503 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: on it. And I'll tell you the moment that I 504 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: came to this realization. So I'm you know, as you know, 505 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: doing all the Charger games, and you see the Kansas 506 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: City Chiefs and you've seen them too, White Jacks, so 507 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: you saw him twice as well last year. So I 508 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: want to get your take on it. But my kind 509 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: of lightbulb moment was games on the line, Chargers have 510 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: Durwin James over Kelsey Kelsey. Durwin's a little outside, Kelsey 511 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: beats him off the line, touch down, game over. And 512 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: I thought, for a second there, Derwin James is nobody 513 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: like him. He's the best safety in the NFL for 514 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: me that has that skill set. Even with Derwin James, 515 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't stop these guys when you had to stop them, 516 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: So why do we keep trying? Why? Like at some 517 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: point in time, it's like, hey, you're gonna beat them, 518 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to score thirty one, thirty five points. 519 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: So if you if you've got choices to make in 520 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: the offseason, if you're Buffalo, if you're Cincinnati, if you're Jacksonville, 521 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: if you're the Chargers, and you're sitting there going I 522 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: could have this corner. I could have No. No, you're 523 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: not stopping them. I don't care you put the Eagles. 524 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: Look at their defense. How unbelievable that if you're not 525 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: stopping them. Just get as much firepower as you can, 526 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: cross your fingers and toes that you can get to 527 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: the number you need to get too to outscore them. Okay, 528 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: it's funny you say this, And I hope Doug Peterson 529 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: won't be mad at me about this. Okay, I'm gonna 530 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: kind of tell you. We talked about it. We talked 531 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: about winning in the league. And you gotta have the 532 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: quarterback and you gotta have the firepower to be able 533 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: to score on offense. And your job on defense is 534 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: the ben But don't break die a slow. Maybe give 535 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: me a couple of turnovers. Maybe defense no big place. Yeah, 536 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: keep the ball in front, turn it over on occasion. 537 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: But you're putting the pressure on the offense, particularly when 538 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: you feel like you have one of those quarterbacks. So 539 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: let's go all in. And we've said this on the 540 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: podcast before. Let's get great on one side of the ball, 541 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: and right now the preferred stopping him, the prefer side 542 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: is on offense. Yes, so how can we each game 543 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: put three zero on the board. So I want wide else, 544 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I want playmakers. I want a guy down the middle 545 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: deck can control it. And my quarterback has everything at 546 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: his disposal, go win it. And so find you a 547 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and give him everything that he needs to 548 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: play at a high level and then figure out how 549 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: to wait to get a handful of stops on defense. 550 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: And maybe and maybe it's taking a risk or two 551 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: in terms of who you bring in. I mean, I know, 552 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with de hop you know, is 553 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins what he was a few years ago? No, 554 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: but he's still a really talented player, you know, And 555 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: we've seen teams mentioned with him like Buffalo or whoever. 556 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Just try and make the money work. But like, yeah, 557 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: let's let's roll the dice on a couple of these dudes. 558 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: Roll the dice. But not only like going back to 559 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: your original point about the KANSI to Chiefs and draft picks. 560 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: The Kansi to Chiefs, We're able to get Cadarius Tony, Yeah, 561 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: a former first round pick. I think they gave him 562 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: up for a third a third rounder, but that third 563 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: rounder gave them a guy that's the number one. So 564 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: now they move off of Juju Smith Schuster yea, and 565 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: they slot Cadarius Tony in who was a third round 566 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: pick for them, sky Moore who was what a second 567 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: round pick, and so they're they're able to go with 568 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: those guys and then they have mvs. You have to 569 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: be able to have the currency to be able to 570 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: make some of those gambles. So you can sit in 571 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: the says, oh, who wants to move off of home? 572 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll give you this pick because we can 573 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: get it back, and so it works out for him. Yeah. 574 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: But I think you have to have a real honest conversation. 575 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: If you're in the AFC and you're in draft meetings 576 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have these bates and we've been in it, 577 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: something gets heated. You know, it gets heated in there. 578 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: You're arguing this guy versus that guy, and I swear 579 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: you're just gonna say, guys, what you just said thirty, 580 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: you gonna get third. Look at our team. Can we 581 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: get thirty? Because we have to get thirty to get 582 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: through this tournament. If we can't get thirty on a 583 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: consistent basis in the playoffs, we can't win a super Bowl. 584 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: You're in the AFC. You look at all the quarterbacks 585 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: that are in the AFC. You're going to have to 586 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: be able to score points. The thought of slowing down 587 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: not only Pat Maholmes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, justin Herbert 588 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is coming. If Anne Rodgers jumps into that 589 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: did into the R Jackson's you have to be able 590 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: to score points. And so it is becoming a video 591 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: game like league. The rules favor the offense as well. 592 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: All then on the offense figure out a way to 593 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: do it. Now, you have to be able to play 594 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: good defense. You have to be able to turn the 595 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: ball over. You have to be able to get off 596 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: in critical situations. Third down, red zone, two minute, you 597 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: have to win those situations. But the thought of loading 598 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: up and really building up the defense like a super 599 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: prower defense, and I will say this fool's gold man. 600 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: I will say this, Bill Polian might have been ahead 601 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: of his time when he built up the Indianapolis Coast 602 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: and some of those other teams. We would go high 603 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: end offense. We're gonna use money on pass rushers. That's 604 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: that's where they're all their money went on defense. Hey, hey, 605 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: you have to draft these corners. We have to figure 606 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: out how to play these pass rushers. And they were 607 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: gonna play with the cheap talent on the back end. Yeah, 608 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I just feel like you're 609 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: being you're not being honest with yourself if you look 610 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: at it any other way. Score score, score, and you 611 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: know you have to be able to really put the 612 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: pressure on your offense and your quarterback. Yeah, thirty thirty 613 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: is the number. How can we get the thirty each week? 614 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: And so you have to have the fire proper to 615 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: be a crazy And this is like, look you look 616 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: at some of the defenses you're around. I came out 617 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: of Baltimore, where different league. Man, it's a different league. 618 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: Like you're talking about a guy coming from like we're 619 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: running back acting. The defense is running game defense and whatever. 620 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: You gotta stop the run. But you better score points. 621 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: If you can't score points, you don't have a chance. No, 622 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: you really don't. Um to Bill, what are you giggling 623 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: about back there? What's going on? We're talking about how 624 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: good B John Robinson is? I love B John Robinson? 625 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: Is that really what's going on back there? I don't 626 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: believe that. I don't know if I'm buying that. I don't. 627 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think. I don't. 628 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like that. A lot of a lot 629 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: of giggling and ki ki and for the ut running back. Yeah, 630 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: that's a little I'm being serious. I don't I don't 631 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: know if that's a real story back there. I don't 632 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: know about that. Um accurate? Are you still sweating this 633 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: whole thing with Rogers? I just want, you know, as 634 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: many draft picks as possible so we can as many 635 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: as possible surrounded Jordan love with everything. Have you got? 636 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: Have you got the jersey yet? I don't have the 637 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: jersey yet, but I do remember meeting him at the 638 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl for moves a stick, so they have to 639 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: do it. He's saying that they're tight. He's just saying 640 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 1: that I complimented his Nike shoes. So there you go. 641 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 1: See there they're boys anything else about before we get 642 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: out of here. No, it's great. So we gotta figure 643 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: out a way to get Joorid Love to send over 644 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: and autographed jerseys sold the bill on Sundays. Can can 645 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: run around. Yes, Packers, pr if you're listening, Yeah, we 646 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: need we need a joid Love jersey. We'll let you 647 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: wait till the trade gets done because we want you 648 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: guys to get in trouble with Aaron. But let's let's 649 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: once that all gets done, we gotta get in the bill. 650 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: This is the biggest Packer fan. You guys to take 651 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: it though like a little cheesehead, and then we also 652 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: appreciate it too. Yes, yes, that's if you have one 653 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: of those already in a bill. She said, I do 654 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: have it somewhere in my family. I can't imagine. I 655 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: can't imagine him wearing it with on his hair. You 656 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: put a little hole in the top so that the 657 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: hair can breathe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's nice. Um all right, 658 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: that's it man. This has been fun again knocking out 659 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: these proteys. We've got another one coming up tomorrow with 660 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: will Love Us. We have Anthony richardson next week, so 661 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: we'll keep you updated on those Uh, we'll keep marching 662 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: towards a draft and jumping in some more of these 663 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: player evals as we go along as well. Um, that's 664 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: gonna do for appreciate you guys hanging with us. We 665 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: will catch you next time right here on the sticks. 666 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Don't team to talk, talk or to talk