1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman in for John co Belt. With it 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: till four o'clock this afternoon, when we will, of course 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: be joined by the one and only Tim Conway Junior. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 2: Always look forward to visiting with him coming up on 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: twoh five eighty degrees and bright sunshine, which makes it 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: so hard to talk about what we would have to 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: consider you deadly news. Both New Orleans and Vegas two 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: iconic tourist destinations, and of course we live in one 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: of them here in southern California, and we're spending a 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: lot of time talking this afternoon about how to make 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: sure that we are safe, how do we guard against 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: future attacks, and what if anything, we can do to 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: prevent them. You heard us talking about see something, say something, 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: which is much more than a cliche. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: It's very real. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: So if you listen to law enforcement, if you read 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: about crime, if you even read like crime novels and 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: spy books like I Love to Do, you know that 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: law enforcement doesn't really believe in coincidences. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: Right, There's no such thing as a coincidence, is it? 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: But what they're saying is that New Orleans and Vegas 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: were completely unrelated. 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense, that could change or not change. 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: But what is also sort of a bizarre coincidence is 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: that both of the vehicles, the one used. 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: In the ramming in New Orleans and the one. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: That blew up in the Cesla truck that blew up 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: in Vegas, were rented and even more, they were rented 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: by a peer to peer car sharing service that's an 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: app called Touro t u r O. And is there 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: is any significance to that, which is one of so 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: many questions being answered. Mike Dubuski from ABC News is 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: one of their technology reporters. Mike is on Live with 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: Us now. Mike, what can you tell us about that 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: touro app app and that coincidence they both that they 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: both use that. 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: Right so, Phil, as you said, right now, authorities say 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: that they're investigating any potential connections between these vehicle attacks, 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: right the one in New Orleans that was a ramming 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: attack that involved a Ford F one fifty lightning electric 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: pickup truck, and of course the Tesla cyber truck that 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: exploded in Las Vegas outside of the Trump International hotel 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: there so far Ath already say that they have not 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: found any connection between those two. However, the only thing 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: that these two incidents really share in common that we 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: know of right now is that they both involve electric 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: pickup trucks, and they both were rented on this Turrow app. 50 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: Turro was founded in two thousand and nine. It's basically 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: like an Airbnb for cars, so it's a peer to 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 4: peer vehicle sharing app. People list their private vehicles. Sometimes 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: you have multiple private vehicles. People have made small businesses 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: on this app, and then other people can come in 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: and rent those cars for a daily fee. The benefit here, 56 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 4: you can kind of imagine, is that you you don't 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: have to deal with hurts or budget rent a car. 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: You don't have to wait in line. 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: If you're getting off a plane. You kind of just 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: go to this person, You coordinate between each other, and 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 4: they hand you the keys and off you drive. But then, 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 4: of course there is a drawback, which is that you 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 4: aren't dealing with hurts, you aren't dealing with budget rent 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: a car. You're just dealing with another guy, which means 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: that the standards and the quality of service is a 66 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: little bit more variable. 67 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: On Turo well, and then there's the question whether you're 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: renting from an agency or whether you're renting from truro. 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: I mean, sure they check to see that you have 70 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: a valid driver's license, but it's not like they're doing 71 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: background checks on your potential criminal record, are they. 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: No, that's right, and neither would an Airbnb or any 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: of these sort of like competing services out there. You 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: do need to be eighteen years old to use Turo, 75 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: as you said, you need a driver's license, of course, 76 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: you need a working credit card, you need a mailing 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: address like a permanent residence, and Turo can also kind 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: of go another step and ask for info like credit 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: card history and insurance ratings and that sort of thing. 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, so there are you. 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: Know, your kind of expected standards that you need to 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: abide by if you're either a renter or a rentee 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: on Turo. But you're right, they're not, you know, a 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 4: law enforcement agency, and we really shouldn't expect them to be. 85 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: I mean, these it's so the coincidences. 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: The electric pickups, I mean, how many electric pickups are 87 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: rented as a percentage of overall rentals, probably tiny, the 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: tour app both happening essentially the same day, both members 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: of the military. I mean, yes, we've heard what law 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: enforcement has said so far. It's also possible, as we 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: know from being news reporters, information changes. I mean, tomorrow 92 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: they might discover some connection. Perhaps these two were on 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: the same websites. Perhaps they you know, have family members 94 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: or friends in common in this process of self radicalization. 95 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: You were in New York. 96 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: We talked I believe on Monday or Tuesday in advance 97 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: of a million or so people that converged on Times 98 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Square and the security details there, and then this happened 99 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: in New Orleans and in Vegas. I mean, security is 100 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: just it's just overwhelming. But things still happen. 101 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I'll tell you I was there to 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: cover the New Year's Eve festivities and Times Square and 103 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 4: just as a journalist, do you get a pass to 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 4: kind of go behind the fence and you know, stand 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: in a little sort of media area, right, And I'm 106 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: telling you you couldn't get close to Times Square without 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: that pass, right. I had to walk between various garbage 108 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 4: trucks and dump trucks that were full of sand, and 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: they were there. So it says the NYPD to guard 110 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: against these types of vehicle attacks, which are very difficult 111 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: to predict. Obviously, the use of a rental vehicle kind 112 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: of obvious skates where these cars come from, and that, 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: you know, adds to the time it takes for law 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 4: enforcement to figure out what went on. Obviously, it didn't 115 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: happen in New York, has happened in New Orleans and 116 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 4: in Las Vegas, although Las Vegas seems to be a 117 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: little bit. 118 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: More of that. 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: It was not a vehicle ramming attack of the vehicle 120 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 4: explosion that involves not the vehicle itself, involved explosives in. 121 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: The rear of the vehicle. 122 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: To answer your earlier question about the style of a 123 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: vehicle that was used here, I think it's interesting that 124 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: the cyber truck and the F one fifty lightning were 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: part of this because one of the things that people 126 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: like about Turow is that you do get a sort 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 4: of wider variety of vehicles to choose from. Right, instead 128 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: of your cameras and accords and islanders and whatever you 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: get from a Hurtz, you have just people's cars, and 130 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: that can mean anything from a normal zedan to a supercar, 131 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: to an off road vehicle or a classic car. Something 132 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: that people find appealing about the site is that you 133 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 4: can drive something that's a little bit more exciting, a 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: little bit more attention getting. I think that's maybe why 135 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 4: you would see a higher preponderance of something like a 136 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: cyber truck, which is very attention getting. A lot of 137 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: this is yet to be discovered by law enforcement exactly 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 4: what the decision making process is there, but that's that's 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 4: another piece of this. 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: So as you see the news coverage of these things 141 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: and the news conferences from the law enforcement, the FBI 142 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: is typically taking the lead. I was curious as your 143 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: sense of how transparent and I have my own thoughts 144 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: on this. How transparent are the authorities and the aftermaths 145 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: of these attacks? 146 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think, you know, we we follow 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: the lead of the law enforcement agencies here, because, as 148 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: you referenced, you know, information kind of flies pretty quickly 149 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: in the hours after you know, an incident like these 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: two and the fact that they happened on the same 151 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 4: day and involved you know, some they had some similarities, 152 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: you know involved does lead people to kind of draw 153 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: these conclusions. But you know, as you know a news agency, 154 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 4: we shouldn't make those connections without you know, they're being 155 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: confirmation there and. 156 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: What happened to our colleagues at Fox. 157 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: They were on the air saying that the the truck 158 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: had across the border from Mexico earlier in the day, 159 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: and President Trump, president elect Trump was already weighing in 160 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: to the narrative of you know, criminals coming in from 161 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: across the border, which turned out to be one hundred 162 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: percent wrong and they had to retract it. 163 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: So there is a danger in going with preliminary information. 164 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and in the social media age, it's it's 165 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: easy to do that. And you know, that's kind of 166 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: why we wait for these press conferences. You know, there's 167 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: major press conference in New Orleans, major press conference in 168 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: Vegas from the you know earlier today that you know, 169 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: gave us a little bit more information, and you know, 170 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: obviously the you know, the law enforcement agencies themselves, you know, 171 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: kind of have to weighe through a lot of this. 172 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I. 173 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Do feel there is transparency to the point where they're 174 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: sharing what they know as much as they can without 175 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: We've heard this phrase a million times compromising the investigation. 176 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: You know, certain details it would only be known to 177 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: law enforcement in terms of making their investigation successful, So 178 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: you know, I there's no not much to be gained 179 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 2: from keeping secrets. 180 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 4: Certainly, and again maybe just to you know, add an 181 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: extra level of nuance to the Turo kind of connection 182 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: here between these two incidents. It's not like this is 183 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: a very niche app. It might not be a name 184 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 4: that everybody knows off the top of their head, like Airbnb, 185 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: but it is popular, right. It's been around since sure 186 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, three point five million people have 187 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: booked cards through Turo in the last year. There are 188 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty thousand vehicle listings currently on turow 189 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 4: across the entire world in sixteen thousand cities. This was 190 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: an app that was so popular that they were actually 191 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: looking to go public this year. Obviously that might you know, 192 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 4: not be the case anymore given recent events. But the app, 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: for its part, says they're actively partnering with law enforcement 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: authorities to make sure that, you know, they have the 195 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: information that they need, and they say they don't believe 196 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: that either renter involved in either the Las Vegas truck 197 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: or the New Orleans truck had a criminal background that 198 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: would have identified them as a security threat. 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 5: That's what they're saying, all. 200 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: Right, sir, Mike Deboski, thank you very much from ABC 201 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: News reporting from New York on this coincidence. Even though 202 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: law enforcement doesn't necessarily believe in coincidences, but we have 203 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: many in this case and in these two cases, and 204 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: as we said, it's still very early and there's a 205 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: lot more to be uncovered about this, no doubt. Thanks 206 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: for your time. Appreciate it, Mike. We'll talk with you 207 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: next time. I'm Phil Schuman in for John Cobelt, with 208 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: you till four o'clock this afternoon. Again, the news dominated 209 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: by the incidents in New Orleans and to a lesser 210 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: degree in Vegas, and then the implications of what that 211 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: means for us for our safety here in southern California. 212 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: It's something that I've been dealing with, you know, as 213 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: a news reporter since in the eighties here and have 214 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in local law enforcement, in the 215 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: Sheriff's department, in the theds. But as we've been saying, 216 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: if someone is radicalized and they're keeping their plans and 217 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: they're evil intent tensions to themselves, there's not much we 218 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: can do to head off these kinds of attacks, which 219 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: is sort of a frightening reality. And then when we 220 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about hearts and minds. 221 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: I mean, when you hear President Biden, or whether you 222 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: hear the governor or the mayor express their condolences, does 223 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: that do anything? 224 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: I don't think. So what are your thoughts? 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I'm Phil Schuman in for John Cobelt 234 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: with you till four o'clock this afternoon, when we will 235 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: be joined, of course by Tim Conway Junior in his 236 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: unique take on things. And I think that's a unique 237 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: With a capital you, we've been dominated by the news 238 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: and hearing the KFI skew videos. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 239 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: seven TV monitors, half a dozen computer monitors and they 240 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: all have different things on them, and of course we 241 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: keep them on to keep track of what's happening on 242 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: Fox News and CNN right in front of me. 243 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 3: As as we've been talking about. 244 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: They're talking about the two investigations, the New Orleans attack, 245 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: the Vegas explosion no current link, and then the DHS 246 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: and the FBI warrened law enforcement last month. Potential for 247 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: vehicle ramming by loan offenders over the holidays, that's breaking 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: news on CNN. So it's like, Okay, everybody's aware of 249 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: the potential for vehicle ramming. 250 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: I mean, last month there was that Christmas market attack 251 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: in Germany. 252 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: That's why the ballards, those steel posts that come up 253 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: out of the sidewalks in the streets have been placed 254 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 2: around just about every building. I mean you go into 255 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: downtown Los Angeles, you see them everywhere. So great, we 256 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: knew that this was the potential threat. We didn't interdict 257 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: that threat, to use a law enforcement term, and now 258 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: after the fact, we have all of these statements of condolences. 259 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: It seems like politicians, whether it's the president, the governors, 260 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: the mayors, city council, people's supervisors, it's almost like there's 261 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: a race to see who can put out the most emotional, heartwarming, 262 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: heartfelt statement of condolences. And that's nice, but does it 263 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: make you feel better. Does it help the victims? I 264 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: don't think so. President Biden, for example, after the attacks 265 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: in particularly one in New Orleans. And I don't say 266 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: this to criticize President Biden specifically, this would be whoever 267 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: was doing it. I've been continually brief since early this 268 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: morning by federal law enforcement leadership, my homeland security team. 269 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: He lists a whole bunch of people. Okay, that's great. 270 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: The FBI is taking the lead in the investigation and 271 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: is investigating the incident as an act of terrorism. I'm 272 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: grateful for the brave and responsive local law enforcement and 273 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: preventing even greater death and injury. And I've directed my 274 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: team to ensure every resource is available, et cetera, et cetera, 275 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: to make sure there's no remaining threat of any kind. Okay, 276 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: that would be under the category of you know, doing 277 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: your job. 278 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: We appreciate that. 279 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: I guess some people might feel reassured by reading that, 280 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: by seeing him say that in his sort of own 281 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: increasingly halting way on television, listening to it on the radio, 282 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: and then the President went on to say, and this 283 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: is this is the part that I really wanted to 284 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: talk about, is in the meantime, my heart goes out 285 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: to the victims and their families who are simply trying 286 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: to celebrate the holiday. 287 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: There's no justification for violence of any. 288 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: Kind, and we will not tolerate any attack on any 289 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: of our nation's communities. Well, you know what, we apparently 290 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: do tolerate the attacks because they continue to happen twenty fifteen, 291 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: Sam Bernardino fourteen dead. We don't tolerate any attacks and 292 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: any members of our community in twenty fifteen. I mean, 293 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: you could print out a list that's pages and pages long. 294 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: I did it. 295 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: A various ISIS inspired terrorist attacks alone, not just in 296 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: the United States, but around the world. They don't all 297 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: get the same level of coverageer headlines. There's no justification 298 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: for violence of any kind, and we will not tolerate 299 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: any attack on any of our nation's communities. 300 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: Well, it just rings hollow to me. 301 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: It's like after the school shootings, our hearts and minds 302 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: go out to the victims. We won't tolerate these kinds 303 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: of attacks, but we do tolerate them because they happen 304 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: over and over again. 305 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: I'm looking at Debra on the monitor here. 306 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, right, I mean tolerate maybe 307 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: is an imprecise word. It's not that we voluntarily say yes, 308 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: go ahead and do it. But they continue to happen. 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: We do tolerate them because how else do we obliterate them? 310 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 7: And also, don't you think that people I was wondering 311 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 7: this at home. We have these two horrendous events that 312 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 7: took place on a year's day, and I'm wondering how 313 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 7: many people were kind of I don't want to say 314 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 7: they didn't care, right, but it's almost we're used to this. 315 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Stuff right now. Okay. 316 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 8: In other word, it's kind of school shootings and all 317 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 8: of that. 318 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 7: We I hate for us to think that that's going 319 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 7: to become the norm and then it's just another story 320 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 7: that we talk about or that people listen to because 321 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 7: it is so horrendous, but it's it's part of our lives. 322 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get numb to it, and that's something we 323 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: want to guard against. Right It's like, you know, in 324 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: the news business, like in southern California, a lot of 325 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: times things happen that would be the lead story and 326 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: maybe a smaller city or town and we don't even 327 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: cover it, you know, a shooting, some type of crime, 328 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: even a murder. It's because, yeah, it definitely is a 329 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: good point. We risk becoming numb numb to it, and 330 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: that's probably not a good thing. 331 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 7: No, especially, I mean, here we have these two horrendous 332 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 7: events that happened on New Year's Day, and then what 333 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 7: was it? 334 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 8: Was it a week ago or two weeks ago? 335 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 7: I can't remember where we had that that that guy 336 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 7: that rammed into people and at the Christmas. 337 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 8: Market in Germany. 338 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 7: Right, yeah, it's it's just and then the school shootings, 339 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 7: it's just one after another, it's right. 340 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: And then the politicians and you know, I'm not trying 341 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: to put words in your mouth and see if you 342 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: agree with me or not, but you know, these constant 343 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: messages of our hearts and you know, thoughts and prayers. 344 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, what does that do for me? 345 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 8: Nothing. I don't think it does anything for anybody. 346 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 7: But if a politician, let's just say, the president, doesn't 347 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 7: say anything, then people are all up in arms about, 348 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 7: oh my gosh, I can't believe that that president so 349 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 7: and so not as right exactly. 350 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 8: But to say the same old, same old, over and 351 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 8: over again. 352 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 7: It doesn't do anything. It doesn't change anything. Thoughts and prayers. Well, 353 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, thoughts and prayers. 354 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: Especially after the school shootings. 355 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, how about save the thoughts and prayers 356 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: and enact more stringent bands on automatic style you know, 357 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: AR fifteen style rifles or you know, increase I mean 358 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: you argue, of course about gun control endlessly. I don't 359 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: want to bring that up right now because it's, you know, 360 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 2: an argument with no easy solutions. But you know, people say, 361 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: we already have enough laws on the books, so on 362 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: and so forth. But yeah, it's the hearts and minds thing. 363 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: I'd rather save that and give me some specific action 364 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: plan going forward. 365 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we don't we don't need any more prayers. 366 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the prayers haven't worked because look at 367 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 7: all these school shootings and mass casualty events that happen 368 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 7: all the time. 369 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 6: All right, you're listening to John Cobel's on demand from 370 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 6: KFI A six forty. 371 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News, grateful for the 372 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: opportunity to see, didn't hear talk with you in John 373 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: Cobelt's spot. He'll be back on Monday after some well 374 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: deserved time off over the holidays. Holidays that unfortunately have 375 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: been dominated by terrorist attacks, one in New Orleans and 376 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: most likely another one in Las Vegas. We've been talking 377 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: about the suspects. We've been talking about radicalization, we've been 378 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: talking about the investigations. We've been talking about how you 379 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: prevent these kinds of attacks. And I want to get 380 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: right to our next guest, who is Don Mahalick, who 381 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: is a veteran law enforcement agent on the federal level, 382 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: spent decades with federal law enforcement, is now retired as 383 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: an ABC News law enforcement contributor. John, When you let's 384 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: start with New Orleans. What are you hearing? What's the 385 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: most important for you when we listen to the FBI briefings. 386 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 5: Well, let's start with the fact that the mayor of 387 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 5: New Yalans just said that apparently I had a security plan, 388 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: but the plan failed to stop the terrorists, which isn't 389 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 5: really a great thing to say in the aftermath of 390 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 5: an attack like this. You know, the event, security is 391 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 5: clearly going to be a focus of why did this 392 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: happen and why weren't there hardened security perimeters in place 393 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 5: to prevent the attack occurring? And on the purest perspective 394 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 5: of the investigation, are of course, going to want of 395 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 5: drilled down on the motive. What was the motive? Why 396 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 5: did this individual commit this atrocity? It seems to me 397 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 5: an early reporting he had some family issues, he had 398 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 5: some financial issues. So I wonder how much of this 399 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 5: is going to be suicide wrapped in an iis flag 400 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 5: right purely an attack? You know, we see the same 401 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 5: thing going on a law to day because that's looking 402 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 5: more like a suicide and spectacular fashion necessarily an attack. 403 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 5: Those are the kind of things I think the FBI 404 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: is going to be looking at and then looking through computers, 405 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 5: phone records, talking to families, friends in both cases, but 406 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 5: really drolled down on what happened and what put these 407 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 5: individuals on a pathway to violence. 408 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: Well, as we're talking, I'm looking at a headline on 409 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: CNN quoting the FBI New Orleans attacker one hundred percent 410 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: inspired by isis? So I guess the question, don and 411 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: you know, this is the same question we asked in 412 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: the in the wake of the assassination attempt against former 413 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: President Trump. 414 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: I mean we ask it in the wake of all 415 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 3: of these attacks. 416 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: Is is there really a way to keep a location 417 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: one hundred percent secure? 418 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 5: It's a fallacy to believe that some places one hundred 419 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: percent secure. Even the White House is not one hundred 420 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: percent secure, because as long as they have humans, you're 421 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 5: going to have human error. So human error is never 422 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 5: one hundred percent. But you can make an event location 423 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 5: a site we are till one hundred percent ninety nine percent, 424 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 5: ninety eight percent by making sure you have some basic 425 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 5: security parameters in place and file some basic security protocols 426 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 5: to prevent incidents from happen, or if an incident does happen, 427 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 5: and this is the other piece of this, to mitigate 428 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 5: the incident. If there was some hardened barricades in New Orleans, 429 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 5: if there was a large dump truck, concrete barricades, whatever, 430 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 5: this individual might have still tried to attack Barbin Street. 431 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: But the car might have hit one of these concrete barricades, 432 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: one of these other vehicles. He would have been able 433 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 5: to drive through the crowd. It would have slowed his attack, 434 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: would have given a New Orleans police there are more 435 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 5: time to respond, and the horror might have might have 436 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 5: dipped a little bit. So that's the whole element of 437 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 5: that security which was missing. It seemed to be in 438 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 5: New Orleans. 439 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: Well, are you familiar with the Meridian barrier systems. I'm 440 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: sure you are. They're mobile vehicle barriers and from covering 441 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: the Rose Parade here in southern California, the city of 442 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: Pasadena has literally brings in hundreds of these and they're 443 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: essentially a mobile steel barrier that you can wheel into 444 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: place to prevent access because and along Colorado Boulevard, for example, 445 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: with so many cross streets, and I'm sure it's very 446 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: similar on Bourbon Street, there is so much vehicular access 447 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: that unless you're going to establish a vehicle free perimeter 448 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: for you know, a mile around, you need these these 449 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: hardened intersections. 450 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: And again, you know, you know, you've done this for 451 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: twenty five years. 452 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: You were with the Secret Service, you know, I'm sure 453 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: you you know, before you became a member of the 454 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: news media, you were critical of the news media for 455 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: second guessing, because we can always second guests. They had 456 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: so they had a police car barricade on Bourbon Street. 457 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: They should have had a dump truck. They had a 458 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: dump truck. They should have had two dump trucks. If 459 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: they had two dump trucks, they should have had city bus. 460 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: So I mean, at a certain point you have to 461 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: make your decision and live with it, right. 462 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's there's realities, and there's basics the security, 463 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 5: you know, and in places like Los Angeles, New York City, DC, 464 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 5: who do events routinely, they sort of know what to 465 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: do because they handle of that security routinely. They have 466 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 5: big and small events, so they have the benefit of 467 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 5: experience with handling events. These smaller cities, smaller locations don't 468 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 5: have the benefit of experience. That doesn't negate the fact 469 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 5: that there are some basic things you can do to 470 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 5: mitigate it and and to be able to actually have 471 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 5: the public wood. We did. We did what we could 472 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 5: to mitigate the attack. It's still you know, it may 473 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 5: have still happened, but we mitigated as much as possible 474 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: versus we basically allowed it to happen, which is what 475 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: New Orleans is looking like by what they did. They 476 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 5: basically allowed an attack to happen versus think of the difference, 477 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: the difference it would have been if to car it 478 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 5: hit a dumb truck or concrete battery or whatever, and 479 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 5: then the guy got out of the truck and and 480 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: then the police had them at the barriers and took 481 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 5: them out there, right, So it might have been a 482 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 5: much lower loss of life and much lower injuries than 483 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 5: what happened. 484 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: So we're talking with don ma Halleck, a retired federal 485 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: law enforcement official now an ABC News law enforcement correspondent. 486 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: So look at ahead to tonight, we have the Sugar 487 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: Bowl in New Orleans, and then in a few weeks 488 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: we have the Super Bowl, which is designated a national 489 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: Special security event, which is an even higher level than 490 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: what we're seeing now. So I guess it's you know, 491 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: the horse has already left the barn, but I would 492 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: imagine New Orleans is going to be one of the 493 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: safest places to be over the in the not too 494 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: distant future. 495 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 5: Wow, the Sugar Ball had clearly kicked it up a 496 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 5: notch because of what happened that you know, on Bourbon Street. 497 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 5: But you know, that plan might have been in place anyway, 498 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: because there's a large event with a lot of different 499 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 5: stakeholders involved in it. But as you said, the Super 500 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 5: Bowl is the national spot secuity, the event which makes 501 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 5: the Secret Service to coordinator for security for the entire event, 502 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 5: which brings in federal, state and lawful stakeholders from every agency. 503 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: You can imagine the plot and plan the security and 504 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 5: the safety of the event too, including how people are 505 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: getting to the event at the leading event or all 506 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 5: out of second two take into account as national stuff 507 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 5: security event. So and like I said, not everything is 508 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: an NSSESE, but the same planning processes, structures, elements should 509 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 5: be in place for any event. Largest my lawful town 510 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 5: has the Christmas parade every Christmas. And when they have 511 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 5: the Christmas parade, they use dump trucks to block off 512 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 5: the roads, in a drone to fly over the parade, 513 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 5: rape of the small little town. So that's the type 514 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 5: of that's the type of thinking I think has to 515 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 5: go into play to prevent or at least send a 516 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 5: message we're trying to prevent one of these issues happening. 517 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: What level of monitoring is there on social media posts? 518 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: For example, we've heard that this suspect in the New 519 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: Orleans attack discussed plans to kill his family, discussed joining 520 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: isis on websites. I mean, we've heard about the National 521 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: Security Agency. We know that they're in recording capabilities and 522 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: computer analysis of keywords. 523 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: I mean that does that exist? Is it real? 524 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: Is it a factor in situations like this? Or is 525 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: it the proverbial needle in the haystack. 526 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 5: Social media is the wild wild West because we've allowed 527 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 5: it to be the wild West, and Congress hasn't done 528 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 5: anything to update the rules and the laws governing social media. 529 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: The only the FBI does have a vetting system for 530 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 5: social media is particularly effective with potential school violence. Somethings 531 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 5: I put online about an act of school violence. The 532 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 5: Bureau is pretty quick about getting that information and sharing 533 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 5: it with localles rcal officials. Is that But as far 534 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: as the broader social media spectrum, uh, wild less. Social 535 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 5: media companies I don't think have enough resources in place 536 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 5: to be able to vet every single thing that's put 537 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 5: online and every comment that's put online. Maybe they try, 538 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 5: maybe they don't. I don't know. I think more could 539 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 5: be done. 540 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: But aren't there computer Aren't there computer programs that are 541 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: searching for keywords and red flags? I mean, you heard 542 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: about the Joint Regional Intelligence Centers. We hear about the jttfs, 543 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: the Joint Terrorism Task Forces. I mean, that's all they 544 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: do is monitor communications. 545 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: But a lot of that stuff after the Bush administration, 546 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 5: after some of the issues of the Ennison stand Bush administration, 547 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 5: a lot of that stuff that that's facing otherwise it's 548 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 5: considered spying on Americas, right. 549 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's why in the earlier segment, I don't know 550 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: if you heard us in the earlier segment talking about 551 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: President Biden's message was you know this will not be tolerated. Well, 552 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: it is tolerated because we have the First Amendment and 553 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: you can't spy quote unquote spy on people. 554 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 5: No, that's where it comes into play. A responsibility social 555 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: It should be doing a better job of monitoring what 556 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 5: is going online, not an editing fashion if you want 557 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 5: to express a political view like what was reported to 558 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: happen a couple of years ago, but if there's a 559 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 5: threat or there's threats, or there's threatening something being put online, 560 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 5: there should be a mandats have to report that so 561 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: that way it can be investigated and mitigated in the 562 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 5: same way a lot of the school violence is actually 563 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 5: happening now. I think Congress needs to act. I think 564 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 5: they needed to act for years to update the federalifications laws. 565 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: And I think until they do that, or can continue 566 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: to have people use the internet and saving but until 567 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 5: after something. 568 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: Happens, and as a tool for people like the suspect 569 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: of New Orleans to become self radicalized, yeah, Well, the. 570 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 5: Dot rub is a horrible, horrible place. Radicalization online is horrible. 571 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 5: Some of it, I think you want to have it 572 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 5: see the light of the day so people can see 573 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: what's going on. But the other piece of it to 574 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 5: is you wanted to be monitored, and how much of 575 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 5: that monitoring is going on by our intelligence apparatus is 576 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 5: the question will ever know? But I think social media 577 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 5: companies in general need to do a much better job, 578 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 5: have a much more robust functions in place to catch 579 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 5: when somebody goes online and says I'm going to go 580 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 5: shoot up Bourbon Street, that that information gets reported immediately. 581 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: Don Mihalic, ABC News Law enforcement correspondent, retired Secret Service agent, 582 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: Thanks to your insight is always I guess I don't 583 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: want to say, unfortunately, we're going to have to be 584 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: talking to you again, no doubt in the future, but 585 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: that's the reality. 586 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: I'm Phil shuming in for John Colebelt. 587 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty. 588 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: One of the challenges, one of the many challenges of 589 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: day to day life here in southern California is affording it, 590 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: let alone staying safe like we've been talking about I'm 591 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: Phil Schuman in for John Coblt. Maybe I'll bring that 592 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: up with Tim Conway Junior when I see him in 593 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: about an hour as he heads in for his four 594 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: PM show. I'm gonna be here today and tomorrow, and 595 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: John is coming back on Monday. This is kind of 596 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: a weird time of year, right when everybody's sort of working. 597 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: They're not working with Christmas and then New Year's in 598 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: the middle of the week, it means that not much 599 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: is done, like on the Thursdays and Fridays after the holidays. 600 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: Is that fair to say? I mean, we're working. 601 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: We're here working, although I put that in quotes because 602 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: I don't really consider this work. It's more it's I 603 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: actually consider this fun, although I'm lucky enough to get 604 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: paid a little bit for it. Work is you know, 605 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: digging ditches, or you know, manning a border or patrolling 606 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: Southern Californian police car or teaching classes. I mean, that's 607 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: feel free to jump in with any you know category 608 00:31:59,640 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: of job. 609 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 7: No, I agree with you, and I have taught a 610 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 7: broadcast journalism class. 611 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: Yes, And it's a lot of work, a lot of work, 612 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: and they all want to they all want to be stars, right. 613 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: They want to start at the top. I want to 614 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: be Kelly lang Oh. I want to be Dallas Rainsh. 615 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: You know, pick your favorite anchor person. I want to 616 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: be Deborah Mars. That's in the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. 617 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: It's like, how about this, how about you go to Bohunk, 618 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: Idaho and make twelve dollars an hour and live by 619 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: yourself without any friends or family. 620 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: Do you do that? Yeah? Sure, I mean did you Well? 621 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: It's basically starting out in a small, small market, small city, 622 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: and then you work your way up to bigger and 623 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: bigger news operations. Los Angeles is rated number two in 624 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: market size after New York. I started in Wichita Falls, 625 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: Texas in nineteen seventy nine, before you were born. I 626 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: think market about one hundred and twenty or so. Yeah, 627 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: a lot of people have those stories. And then when 628 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: you actually taught it at USC also, and you know, 629 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: part of it is you're you're here in southern California, 630 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: so you know the lights, cameras action. You don't want 631 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: to leave, right, you want to be you want to 632 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: do your thing here. 633 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 8: I did not leave California. 634 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: You're the exception to the rule. 635 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 7: I was lucky. My very first job was in Victorville. 636 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 7: I lasted one week. Wow, I didn't like it. Your choice? Yes, yes, 637 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 7: And then then I went to the Bay Area, and 638 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 7: then I worked at a small station in Pleasanton in 639 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 7: the East Bay. 640 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: Well that counts. 641 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's the concept, right, You get you learn, Yes, 642 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: you get experience at a smaller operation. 643 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 8: I wanted to stay in California. 644 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: I don't want to go I. 645 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 8: Really didn't want to go to Iowa or Idaho. 646 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, so imagine me. 647 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: Not that people are really that had just said in 648 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: my life story, but hey, indulge me for one second. 649 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: So you know, nineteen seventy nine, I graduate from college 650 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: economics major. I was really interested in television. I was 651 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: more specifically interested in becoming a sportscaster. Got accepted to 652 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: graduate program in UMass and back then that was one 653 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: of the first programs. That was what they called sports management, 654 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: which is kind of like an MBA with a sports theme. 655 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: Go to school for a year and then you have 656 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: a year of an internship. I was going to intern 657 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: for the Boston Celtics. It was going to be great. 658 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Deborah, we had never would have never met 659 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: if that had if I had taken that path, that 660 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: would have been a shame, a shame. But I'm like, 661 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, I don't really want to go to school. 662 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I could get right into, right into television. So 663 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: I literally wrote you remember male merge with your computer 664 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: where you would write a letter and then you'd have 665 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: a database of addresses, and then you'd push a button 666 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: and then magically the computer would print out the letter 667 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: with a different address at the top. I sent out 668 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 2: like hundreds of those things, got like almost no response, graduated, 669 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: had nothing going on. 670 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: I feel love this. 671 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, I was the manager of a 672 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: disco outside of Boston. 673 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 8: Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. 674 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: It was great nineteen seventy nine, I mean, the height 675 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 3: of disco feed. It was fantastic. 676 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: My parents are thinking, we just spent a fortune sending 677 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: this kid to like a you know, expensive liberal arts 678 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: school with an economics degree, and he's working as a 679 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: manager of a disco. 680 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 8: Paid off for you. 681 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 4: Yeah. 682 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: I ended up getting a job way out in Texas, 683 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: packed up the little card, drove across Country. Music changed 684 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: from you know, rock and roll to country and from 685 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 2: the news to the farm report, and uh, long story short, 686 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: came out to LA on vacation, got offered a vacation 687 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: relief job at Channel four, temporary job that they don't 688 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: really do anymore, like when people are off in the 689 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: summer and never left. 690 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 3: That's a happy ending, happy ending. 691 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 2: Met Robin from KFI at an event at one of 692 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 2: the TV stations said, you know, I really love to 693 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: come and fill in when I have the opportunity here 694 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: on KFI because I've always been a huge talk radio fan. 695 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: And eventually, after you know, keeping in touch for a 696 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 2: number of years, guess what happened, got the opportunity to 697 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: fill in and trying to make the most of it 698 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: because this is to me. 699 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a huge social media fan. 700 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 2: I think social media is like a net negative when 701 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: they write the history of society. But this is a 702 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: great way to communicate, exchange ideas, give information. You know, 703 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: it's immediate, it's real, it's happening, it's intimate. So hopefully 704 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 2: we can keep visiting. 705 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: With you here. 706 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 8: Love radio. There's nothing like radio. 707 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: We all have it in our car. Although they're trying 708 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: to get rid of the AM radio. I guess if 709 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: you have a Tesla. I don't even think you have 710 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: a radio in your car, do you. 711 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 7: Well for sure you don't have am am yeah, which 712 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 7: is you. 713 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 3: Have the app Doomerasty. Yes, Tesla's basically a rolling computer. 714 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, Debora Mark, let's give us a news update, 715 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: and then after the three o'clock news, we have much 716 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 2: more to talk about the biggest stories of twenty twenty 717 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: four and look ahead to twenty twenty five. But first, 718 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: Debora Mark live in the KFI twenty four hour News. 719 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: From Hey, you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. 720 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: You can always hear the show live on KFI Am 721 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: six forty from one four pm every Monday through Friday, 722 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.