1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hello America, and welcome to the Sean Hannity Show. As 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: you have already instantly guessed, I am not Sean. Shawn 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: is enjoying the last of his much deserved twenty twenty 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: four end of year vacation, getting ready to get back, 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: and as we all head into the first year of 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: the Trump presidency. I am Jeffrey Lord, contributing editor the 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: American Spectator, a Newsmas TV contributor, and columnists for NewsBusters, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: the Media Research Center's media watchdog. So let's let's get 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: right into it. If we can do that, We've got 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: some great guests coming up. We have Civil Liberties and 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: former Trump Attorney Council David Shoon. We have our friends 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Matt and Mercy Schlapp from the American Conservative Union and SEAPAC. 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: And my friend in fellow Pennsylvania, Jeff Bartos, who has 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: run for the US Senate from Pennsylvania himself and spent 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: some significant time helping Dave McCormick win this Senate seat 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: in a unbelievable race against three term in common Democrat 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Bob Casey, the namesake son of his late dad, Governor 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Robert P. Casey. So we've got a good show going 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: for you here, and I just want to I want 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: to start with talking a little bit about what Sean 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: loves to talk about, the media mob. And one of 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the things that has gotten me going here in the 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: last few days, I saw a you know, I read 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, so you don't have to, and one 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: of the things I noticed was this column. It was 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: written two days published two days before Christmas in the Post, 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: and it was by a columnist of theirs named Eugene Robinson, 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: who I'm sure is a nice enough guy. But his 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: headline was, we cannot by Donald Trump's wish for a 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: compliant news media fight the President elect's attack on independent 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: journalism with the pro truth stands now in this step, 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: in this gem. Rather, he begins by saying this, anyone 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: who doubts the incoming Trump administration poses a serious threat 34 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to independent journalism catch that phrase. Independent journalism has not 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: been paying attention, an attack, he says, is already underway, 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: and we journalists must now allow ourselves to be intimidated 37 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: unquote now, to which one can only reply with a 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: considerable burst of outright laughter. In fact, I would suggest 39 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: mister Robinson has it completely backwards. The Washington Post and 40 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: its allies in the so called quote unquote mainstream media 41 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: are anything about being seeking quote independent journalism quote unquote. 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: They are the central players in what is much more 43 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: accurately known as the liberal media. They themselves are the 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: compliant ones who have long ago abandoned independent journalism to 45 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: take sides one side, specifically in our political discussions of 46 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: the day. Some examples back before the twenty twenty four election. 47 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: In October, the New York Post headlined this more Washington 48 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: Post staffers resign over paper's failure to endorse Kamala Harris. 49 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: That story reported quote at least two more staffers have 50 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: penned their last story for the Washington Post, Don't you 51 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: love this? As employees resign in protest over the Broadsheets 52 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: decision not to endorse Kamala Harris for the twenty twenty 53 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: four presidential election. Editorial board members David Hoffman and Molly 54 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Roberts have issued their resignations. Semiphore. Media journalist Max Tannai 55 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: reported on Monday the two longtime Washington Post staffers each 56 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: authored resignation letters slamming the paper's decision not to endorse Harris. Quote. 57 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: They said, I believe we face a very real threat 58 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: of autocracy in the candidacy of Donald Trump unquote, said Hoffman, 59 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: who took home the Pulitzer Prize last week and first 60 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: joined the paper in nineteen eighty two. And he was 61 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: writing this in his resignation letter, which of course was 62 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: posted on x. He went on, I find it untenable 63 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: and unconscionable that we have lost our voice at this 64 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: perilous moment quote unquote. And Ms Roberts, another longtime employee 65 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: of the Post who first joined the paper as a 66 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: student intern while studying at Harvard University, said she was 67 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: resigning due to the paper's refusal to endorse Harris. Quote. 68 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm resigning from the Post editorial board because the imperative 69 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: to endorse Kamala Harris over Donald Trump is about as 70 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: morally clear as it gets, she said. She went on 71 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: to write in her resignation letter, worse, our silence is 72 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: exactly what Donald Trump wants for the media, for us 73 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: to keep quiet unquote. So right there, the veil gets 74 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: torn away from Robinson's supposed quote unquote independent journalism at 75 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. Interestingly, the same situation arose across the 76 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: country at the Los Angeles Times. CBS News headlined that 77 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: story this way, Two more LA Times editorial board members 78 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: resign after the paper withholds a Harris endorsement, Unlike columnist 79 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: Robinson over there in the New York Post, where a 80 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: great columnist named Michael Goodwin has reported the reality of 81 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: the fanatical and decidedly non independent journalism of the day 82 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: from liberals, mister Goodwin headlined, the left wing media created 83 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: their own crisis and now have to pay the price 84 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: for repeatedly attacking Donald Trump. Goodwin wrote, even as defeated 85 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: Democrats try to decide who they are and what they 86 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: believe in their media handmaids, what they believe in their 87 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: media handmaids, face a crisis of their own. The come 88 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: up and against their politically driven bias, say again, bias 89 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: has arrived, and it's proving to be expensive in more 90 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: ways than one. ABC News and its chief Democratic operative 91 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: George Stephanopolis the rights fell into another trap. They meaning ABC, 92 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: put their agenda of defeating Trump ahead of the facts 93 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: and the law, and faced with depositions that likely would 94 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: have supported his claim of defamation, ABC caved in a settlement. 95 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: I still find this incredible in a settlement, the network 96 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: forked over sixteen million dollars for a Trump library and 97 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: his legal fees, and had to publicly say they quote 98 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: regret unquote Stephanopolos's false claims that Trump had been found 99 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: libel for rape in a civil case, says Goodwin Ouch. 100 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: The apology surely stung much more than the money. Unquote. Well, 101 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: I think that is safe to say. And you know, 102 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: it isn't just major newspapers that have the left wing 103 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: bias problem. As this is written, Fox News is headlining 104 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: something else quote TV Saturday Night Late Night, TV Saturday 105 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Night Lives boring, anti Trump's gold routines go unheeded. Well expletive, 106 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: I can't say. On the radio, it happened again, they said. 107 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: Late night hosts melted down the night after Trump's twenty 108 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: twenty four victory after making him the butt of ninety 109 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: eight percent of their political jokes. The story goes on 110 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: to report on the antics of late night hosts Stephen Colbert, 111 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, and others, including of course NBC's 112 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live, going all in on pro democratic and 113 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: anti Trump humor quote unquote well exactly, yet with all 114 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: of this out there, not to mention oh so much 115 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: more in the way of a decidedly far left leaning media. 116 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: There is the Washington Post, mister Robinson saying, quote and 117 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: when Trump takes office, the threat will escalate, perhaps dramatically unquote. 118 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: The real threat, let me just say this to American democracy, 119 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: is the central fact that Robinson simply ignores. That central 120 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: fact being that American journalism has overwhelmingly abandoned the idea 121 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: of so called independent journalism. And it should be noted 122 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: this problem has been around a long time before Donald 123 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Trump came on the political seat. You read the memoirs 124 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: as I've done over the years of Republicans like nineteen 125 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: sixty four Republican nominee Senator Barry Goldwater, or former President 126 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, or the Bush's father and son and others 127 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: from the conservative side of the aisle, and there is 128 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: reference after reference to the liberal media and the hard 129 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: fact and that person's days on the active political scene 130 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: that they had to constantly deal with a far left 131 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: leaning media. You want an example, In August of twenty eighteen, 132 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: the Washington Examiners Paul Baddard took a look back and 133 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: headlined public's media hat fanned by Trump started with George H. W. Bush, 134 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and Badard wrote former President George H. W. Bush. HW 135 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Bush had it a lot better than President Trump. Economic 136 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: growth was humming at five percent, his polling was high, 137 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: and he was on duty in the Oval Office when 138 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union crumbled. But 139 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: the press attacked him, and as he headed to defeat 140 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to Bill Clinton, Bush became the first president to publicly 141 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: rip on the media at campaign events, even handing out redhair. 142 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: I remember this that had the words quote annoy the media, 143 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: re elect Bush on them. Former Bush aid Mary Madeleine 144 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: is quoted by bedardas saying, quote, Madeleine, isn't surprised the 145 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: public has turned on the press again. The assaults on 146 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: freedom of speech religiosity, combined with the hypocrisy of a 147 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: ruling class exempting themselves from all the degenerative policies they 148 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: imposed on the electorate, created a combustible environment, and Trump 149 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: picked up the fire starter. She said in short, the 150 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: idea of being pushed in the Washington Post by one 151 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: of its own, mister Robinson, is completely upside down and backwards. 152 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: He ends by saying this we work for the people, 153 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: not the president. Whenever it's necessary, will remind the President 154 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: that he works for the people too, quote unquote. Well, 155 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: suffice to say, when large media organizations present themselves as 156 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: doing quote independent journalism quote, when in fact they are 157 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: about furthering a far left wing agenda, not independent journalism, 158 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: they are not quote working for the people unquote. The irony. 159 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: The American people have long gotten onto this game of 160 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: the media pretending to be doing independent journalism when in 161 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: fact they are doing the opposite. In October of twenty 162 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty four, the Gallup Organization headlined this story, Americans trust 163 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: in media remains a trend low trust in political and 164 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: civic institution's highest for local and state governments, lowest for 165 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: media and Congress. The story reported, for the third consecutive 166 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: year more US adults have no trust at all in 167 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: the media. That would be thirty six percent than trusted 168 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: a great deal or fair amount. Another thirty three percent 169 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: of Americans express quote not very much confidence. There is 170 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: a reason for this, and when a Washington Post columnst 171 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: so so prominently denies the reality of that reason, media 172 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: credibility takes are suffer another hit. Shocking not and I'm 173 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: sure you have all seen the stories of MSNBC and 174 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: CNN losing their audience and having all kinds of problems 175 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: out there. And interestingly, I vividly remember a personal note 176 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: here when I was on CNN in the twenty sixteen 177 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: election campaign defending then candidate Trump. It drew, as I 178 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: began to understand, it drew considerable attention, and I was 179 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: told personally by the president of the network that my 180 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: appearance on the shows there was actually helping the ratings 181 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: at CNN. Ah, you can't make this stuff up. So 182 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: we're going to go on and we'll talk a little 183 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: bit more about this. One of the things that sort 184 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: of as a corollary I think to all of this, 185 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about this with David shown, 186 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: and that is the rise of law fair and weaponizing 187 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: the law to go after your political opponents. You know, 188 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: I always find it very interesting that when you are 189 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: accused by the left of whatever terrible thing they want 190 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: to accuse you of, in point of fact, they're the 191 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: ones that are guilty of it. They're the ones who 192 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: do this. And when they talk about Donald Trump wanting 193 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: to be or he is a fascist, or he's going 194 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: to do this or he's going to do that. And 195 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: then at the same time they talk about all of 196 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: the legal things that have been hurled in Donald Trump's direction. 197 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Well who's doing that. We're getting We're getting some music here, 198 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk that in just a 199 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit. But wow, we we're done now. I guess 200 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: saying Merry Christmas, Happy fourth of July, no, happy New Year. 201 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show. And let me 202 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: start out the segment here by giving you the phone 203 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: number to call in. It's eight hundred nine four one 204 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: seven three two six, or in other words, eight hundred 205 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: ninety four to one Sean, and I hope you will 206 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: holler a little bit. You know, we've got some very 207 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: interesting times coming up President Trump. I always find this 208 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: comeback of his absolutely remarkable. And for those of you 209 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: out there, and I'm sure it's a lot of you 210 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: who know your American history, this kind of thing has 211 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: not happened since Grover Cleveland was President of the United States. 212 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Groover Cleveland had been mayor of Buffalo, the governor of 213 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: New York. He was elected President of the United States 214 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty four. I think it was I'm sorry. 215 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: Eighteen eighty four years later, he was defeated by the 216 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: son or grandson of President William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison 217 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: by name uh and William Henry Harrison was famous in history. 218 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: He was the hero of the Battle of Tippy Canoe, 219 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: and the slogan of the campaign was Tippy Canoe and 220 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Tyler too, John Tyler of Virginia Center from Virginia, I think, 221 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: being his running mate. Well, he got he got elected, 222 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: gave his inaugural address, caught a cold, and died in office. 223 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: So that was that was about it. So Grover Cleveland 224 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: eventually came back four years later. So President Trump is repeating, 225 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: and we will see what's going to happen here. So 226 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: let's say we've got a little break here and we 227 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: will go from there and welcome back to the Sean 228 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. This is Jeffrey Lord filling in for Sean 229 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: and I want to start out by giving our call 230 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: in number here eight hundred and nine four one, seven, 231 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: three two six or eight hundred ninety four one. Sean. 232 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I want to bring on now our guest David Shoan, 233 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: who is a former counsel to President Trump. A noted 234 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: civil liberties attorney, and David, before we start to talk, 235 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I have a our friend, Jason has a clip here 236 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: of District Attorney Bragg in New York that he's going 237 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: to play for us, and that I think can help 238 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: us set up our discussion here. I know a lot 239 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: of people are wondering, whoever has this job? Are they 240 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: going to convict Donald Trump? 241 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Look, that is the number one issue. The Times calls 242 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: Brag a talented prosecutor who's successful suit of the Trump 243 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: Foundation could be invaluable experience. 244 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: But the investigation he'll take over is. 245 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: The chief Deputy Attorney General in New York State. I 246 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: oversaw some of the office's biggest cases from exposing a 247 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: legal behavior by the Trump Foundation. We know there's a 248 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: Trump investigation. I have investigated Trump and his children and 249 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: held them accountable for their misconduct with the Trump Foundation. 250 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: I also sued the Trump administration more than one hundred times. 251 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: We know that the DA investigating Trump. When I was 252 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: at the AG's office, I sued Trump over one hundred 253 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: times for his administration's misconduct and brought a case against 254 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: the Trump Foundation and held him accountable. 255 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: All Right, David, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show, Thank 256 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: you very much. I got to add, I am not 257 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: a lawyer, but I listened to that kind of thing, 258 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: and I've watched the whole business unfold with all these 259 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: legal proceedings against President Trump, and it just seems to me, 260 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: as a non lawyer, that this is about a bunch 261 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: of insider inside legal system that doesn't like somebody, and 262 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: so whether it's the US Justice Department or the district 263 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: attorneys in New York City or Fulton County in Georgia, 264 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: they're going out to get them. What are your thoughts, Well. 265 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right, your instincts are right, whether 266 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: lawyer or not. That's been the nature of things for 267 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: the past few years that we've seen. I don't think 268 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: we've ever seen anything like it. First of all, there 269 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: are tremendous ethical violations in Bragg running for office on 270 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: a platform to get and target a particular citizen hadn't 271 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: been accused of anything. He promised to be the guy 272 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: to convict him. We saw that entire case unfold as 273 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: a complete mess, miscarriage of justice. Andrew Cuomo, who had 274 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: been the Attorney General New York and the governor of 275 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: New York, of course, and no Trump fan said that 276 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: had he been Attorney General, that case never would have 277 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: been brought. As you know the book out by Mark Pomerantz, 278 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: who had been appointed sort of special counsel to investigate it. 279 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: That office was against the prosecution until things changed politically, 280 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: so it became advantageous for Alvin Bragg in his view 281 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: at least to bring the case. The case of the travesty, 282 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 2: it will never hold up on appeal if it's not 283 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: dismissed outright. It should be dismissed, frankly, for a number 284 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: of reasons. Should be dismissed on presidential immunity ground that 285 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: should be dismissed on the elected the election that just happened, 286 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: those immunity, that kind of immunity. But even if it 287 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: weren't dismissed on a bill, it has to be reversed 288 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: for a number of constitutional infirmities, including never identifying the 289 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: target crime that made a felony in the case, giving 290 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: a jury the choice and then not having them identify 291 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: what crime it was. But there are many other errors 292 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: in the case. The judge never should have sat on 293 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: the case, clear conflict of interest. It's an abomination. And 294 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: that's just one example. But you know you mentioned the others. 295 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: The others have all have infirmities of their own. 296 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just it just astonishes me. And 297 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: as a layman, the question that I have is, how 298 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: do we hold how does the system hold these people 299 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: who were doing this, the lawyers that whatever, whether it's 300 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: Leticia James, the Attorney General of New York, or Alvin 301 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: Bragg or Fanny Willis or whatever, how do they get 302 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: to be held accountable for what they're doing or what 303 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: they have done. 304 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: It's a real problem in a situation like this, especially 305 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: because you know, you think that ultimately the check on 306 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: an abusive power is the ballot box. But if you're 307 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: in the jurisdiction where the elected official is playing to 308 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 2: the worst instinct or human instincts. In that jurisdiction, they 309 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: don't like a particular person, they don't like someone because 310 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: of race or gender or some other reason, and they 311 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: have an electric electorate filled with that kind of viewpoint, 312 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: then the person can stay in office if you can 313 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: prove that you know their professional violations. For example, we 314 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: saw in the Georgia case with Fannie Willis. Now you 315 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: know the Georgia Court of Appeal has removed her from 316 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: the case as she had to be. That's because you know, she, 317 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: in her zeal to get President Trump and to advance 318 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: her interests in the interests of her lover, she really 319 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: overstepped the boundaries and created a clear appearance of impropriety 320 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: and impartiality. As we moved from the case, and hopefully 321 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: that case is going to be dismissed. But you're right, 322 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: you know, you've identified a real problem. What do we 323 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: do to hold them accountable outside of the ballot box? 324 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: Is this something that on the federal level, Congress can 325 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: deal with, or in a state, a state legislature can 326 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: deal with to change the rules and all that. You know, 327 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: one of the things that we're old enough to remember 328 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: this is President Nixon's Watergate situation. And it has occurred 329 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: to me more than once that once that occurred, then 330 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: all bets were off and every president, every public official 331 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: was going to be targeted or could easily be targeted 332 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: by prosecutors, because well, if they got Richard Nixon to 333 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: resign and almost you know, other than Gerald Ford's pardon, 334 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: he might have had more problems. What else would have 335 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: happened there. I keep having the feeling that opened the 336 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: floodgates for all kinds of conduct here on the part 337 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: of the legal community, which is just not good. 338 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely right. And you know, we saw 339 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen Jerry Nadler, Democratic Congressman from New York 340 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: made this comment in the context of the first Trump 341 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: impeachment proceeding, and he said, basically, we can't trust the voters, 342 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: can't wait for another election. We have to find some 343 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: other way to get rid of President Trump in effect, 344 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: and that's about an anti democratic a statement as I 345 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: can imagine from an elected official. You know, on the 346 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: one hand, with our separate branches of government, often we 347 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: like to see, you know, different parties having different branches 348 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: a sort of check on the other But in this case, 349 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: I think the President Trump provided the ultimate answer to 350 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: the unfair attacks. I think the American people have said 351 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: this many times now, are basically a fair minded people 352 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: in the majority. 353 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I think they got. 354 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: I think that this law fare and the weaponization of 355 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: the criminal justice system was just too much for a 356 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: normal American person to take, and the backlash was seen 357 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: through the ballot box, and so ultimately he gets the 358 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 2: last ward. President Trump gets the last word in this 359 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 2: because now he has both Houses of Congress and the presidency, 360 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: and so if someone's going to try to abuse the 361 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: impeachment process again as we saw last time, they're going 362 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: to have a tough rota hoo with the Republican Party 363 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: in both houses. 364 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: Yes, you know. Back in twenty fourteen, I interviewed then 365 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: private citizen Trump for The American Spectator, and one of 366 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: the things I said to him was that Republicans that 367 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: I had talked to, and mind you, this was after 368 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: the McCain and the Romney campaigns, was that they get 369 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: attacked by their opposition and so savagely, and yet they 370 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: don't fight back. And so I said to him, if 371 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: you run for president, will you fight back, to which 372 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: his response was something like, Oh, don't worry about that. 373 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: I will fight back. Do you think we're just we're 374 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: fortunate that we've got somebody here who is just not 375 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: going to let people get away with it as opposed 376 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: to just rolling over here. I mean, I can only 377 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: imagine the conversations that you that you and his staff 378 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: and friends have had with him. I saw him in Johnstown, 379 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania during the campaign, and because I know him that 380 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: they asked if I would come out and talk to him. 381 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: I did, and I have to say, David, I was standing, 382 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, like almost nose to nose with and I'm 383 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: sort of tilting my head a little bit to see 384 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: the condition of his ear where he'd been shot, and 385 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: he notices and and I said, are you all right? 386 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I'm doing great. I'm doing just great. 387 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm fine, And then he went out on stage and 388 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: delivered this, you know, incredible speech that had thousands of 389 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: people all set to go. I have never seen anything 390 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: like this, and I worked for President Reagan and have 391 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: been around my share of people like this, but wow, 392 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I just think he's amazing when he comes to this. 393 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: But it's also very helpful because otherwise they're going to 394 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: try and bring him down. 395 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean that was an iconic moment. I'm 396 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: sorry to say I didn't really recognize the gravity of 397 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: the situation at the time, and my initial reaction was 398 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 2: to trash talk him a little bit about you know, 399 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: I got a little graves wound on the ear sort 400 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: of thing. But he took it very well and gave 401 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: it back. But no, look, I think I personally think 402 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: that the toughness. First of all, it's real, but secondly, 403 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: I think it plays best in our foreign affairs quite frankly. 404 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it already. We've just now, you know, 405 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: backing off publicly of some of our arch enemies. And 406 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: they know that he means business. And part of it 407 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 2: is the unpredictability. They don't know what he's going to do, 408 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: but they know what he's capable of doing if he 409 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: decides to in terms of sort of payback. You know. Look, 410 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't dominate the agenda. I think though 411 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: he learned a great lesson over these last four years 412 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: and the four years administration. Remember, they tried to sideline 413 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: him with this phony Mueller so called investigation that really 414 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't fair to the country. It handcuffed 415 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: the country, and then we got COVID, and so now 416 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: he gets to start anew Listen. He made the decision, 417 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: constant conscious decision at the beginning of his last administration 418 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: not to prosecute Hillary Clinton, despite the evidence of what 419 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: she did with her computer, you know, and so on. 420 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: You know, any criminal defense lawyer has had clients who 421 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: were indicted for a lot less in terms of obstruction 422 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: of justice and evidence tampering and that sort of thing. 423 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: But he made that decision. I don't know if he 424 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: would make that same decision today, and he was believing, 425 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, he got a lot of pressure all of that. 426 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: Locker up, locker up. 427 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember my share of rallies where I would 428 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: do that in twenty sixteen. It was pretty amazing. Well, 429 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: I guess. And one of the other things that I 430 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: think sort of comes from this as well is that 431 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: he's become a role model for foreign leaders. And you know, 432 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: trump Ism, if as you might call it, is surging 433 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: in places like you know, Europe and France and South 434 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: America and all of this kind of thing, which I 435 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: find very interesting. You know, it's democracy, but you have 436 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: to have a strong leader. And I think that they've 437 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: really responded. I don't think there's any accident that he 438 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: was invited to France just as president elect for the 439 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: anniversary or the celebration of the redoing of the Cathedral 440 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: of Notre Dame, and President Matron went out of his 441 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: way to treat him as if he were already the 442 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: sitting president. I think that's pretty amazing right there. 443 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: Oh, you make very points with this, I think, but 444 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: we're seeing it, you know, kind of across the board 445 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: and the other The flip side of it is, in 446 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: each of these situations, the media, and I say the 447 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: media that's reflected in the New York Times, the Washington 448 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: Post plays out these doomsday scenarios. The world leaders hate them. 449 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: World leaders don't hate them. The first of all, they 450 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 2: love the guy on many levels, but they respect him, 451 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: they fear him in some ways, and they want to 452 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: be like him. They want to be, you know, that 453 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: kind of leader for many of them. But you know, 454 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: we see these doomsday reports. If he were to move 455 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: the Israeli of the United States embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, 456 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: it would be armageddon. Well, he did it because it 457 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: was the right thing to do. It's the thing the 458 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: law requires him to do, and he wanted to do it, 459 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 2: and it turned out to be the perfect decision. The 460 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: Abraham Accords then arose from that. Now we were told 461 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: those would be impossible, we could never make peace with 462 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: these countries, never have dialogue with them. But he went 463 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: out and did it. Now, you remember, when they Biden 464 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: administration came in, there was apparently a ban on using 465 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: the term Abraham Accords. I read it for any of 466 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: these things which they said he couldn't do, and he 467 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: did them all. So I'm hoping to see a lot 468 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: more positive things along those lines, you know, with this administration, 469 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: and it comes through strength, as. 470 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: You say, yes, it does. 471 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: You know. 472 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: I can give you an anecdote from my Reagan days. 473 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: In August of nineteen eighty one, the federal air traffic 474 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: controllers threatened threatened to go on strike, which was against 475 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: the law, and the whole Washington Press Corps was, well, 476 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, you can't do anything about this, and Reagan 477 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: came out and said, if you do this, I will 478 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: fire you. Well, they didn't believe him. He did it, 479 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: they fired, he fired him, and lo and behold. We 480 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: later found out that who paid real close attention to 481 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: this the Soviet Union. 482 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: YEP. 483 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: So well, thank you very much, David. This has been 484 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: a great conversation. I think the next four years are 485 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: going to be remarkable, and I'm looking forward to your 486 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: involvement with it, and the American people will be well 487 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: served if you were there. This is Jeffrey Lord sitting 488 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: in for Sean Hannity, and our calling number is eight 489 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: hundred and nine for one seven three two six. All Right, 490 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: this is Jeffrey Lord sitting in for our friend Sean Hannity, 491 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: and our number here is eight hundred and nine four 492 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: one seven three two six. We invite you to call in. 493 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: We have just about a minute here before we get 494 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: into our heartbreak, and I just thought i'd use that 495 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: even though we are a few days past Christmas, I 496 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: did go through for the American Spectator before Christmas a 497 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: list of conservative books for Christmas. And even though Christmas 498 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: may be over, you could buy it for somebody's New 499 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: Year's gift or what have you. So I'll probably mention 500 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: this a little bit later in the show here, but 501 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: we have some great books out there, new books in 502 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and also some old books that are 503 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: the classics, like from Bill Buckley. Okay, so that is great, 504 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: and we will be back in a few minutes. That 505 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: This is Geoffrey Lord filling in for Sean Hannity, and 506 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: the number again is eight hundred ninety four one seven 507 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: three two six.