WEBVTT - True Crime 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.800 Check one one to check one one to check check 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.280 check check is this on? Tell me tell me when 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:15.240 we are we're rolling, and we will go ahead and 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:26.239 start microphone check one two one two two Micronesia, Micronesia, Philodendron, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:31.840 Philodendron one two one to one two. However the levels 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.159 are we getting good levels? Just just tell me when 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:44.800 we're ready, okay, tell me. M hmm. That's a good apple. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:59.960 Oh ah, nothing like an apple and coffee. Look down 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.200 when we're rolling. We're going, we are, okay. Why didn't 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:08.240 anyone say anything? Just tell me when we're rolling? We 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:14.360 were rolling since when this whole time crap? Come on, Nick, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:22.759 Jeez Louise. Okay, so we're rolling. Thumbs up from Nick 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:36.360 rolling Okay, m hm, I gotta chopped down this apple. Yeah. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.880 Hello friends. This is ron Burgundy and this is the 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:49.360 ron Burgundy Podcast. Que music, I said, que music. We 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.280 don't we don't have music. Okay, we need to work 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.880 on that. Hm. Once again, this is Ron Burgundy and 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.800 you're listening to the Ron Burgundy po Guest. This is 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.800 our initial launch into the podcast space, and I I 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.160 want to welcome you, the listener to this journey. We 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.679 are about to take together a journey that I think 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:21.000 you will find fascinating, I hope, informative, and at times terrifying. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.080 I know that right now I'm a little terrified because 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.520 I don't know what a podcast is. When the men 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.560 in the gray suits approached me about recording my voice 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.000 for a series of discussions, musings, interviews, et cetera, my 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:43.639 curiosity was piqued, so I asked, is this played out 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:49.919 on the radio? They said no. Then I thought, well, okay, well, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.519 we'll just record it on a bunch of cassette tapes 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.000 and mail them out and hope that we get the 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.320 money back, sort of an honor system. The men in 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.960 the gray suits all laughed and said, Ron, this is 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.440 why you're a genius. And I said, well, I'll never 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:10.520 correct you on that statement again shrieks of laughter. This 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.720 meeting was going well, and I wasn't about to admit 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.320 that I still didn't have the faintest idea of what 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.760 a podcast was. I'll be honest. It had been a 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.840 while since I had had a meeting like this where 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.680 people were interested in what I had to say, and 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:32.079 I thought it was entertaining. It felt good. How did 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.560 they find out where I lived. Can it Ron don't 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.920 ruin the good vibes, I thought to myself. The men 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.160 in the gray suits said I would have complete and 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.560 utter journalistic control over all of my podcasts. And with 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.400 that they left, and here we are, just you and 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.720 me and a whole buttload of time to discuss anything, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.280 and I mean anything, by the way, I did look 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.360 up the meaning of podcasts. It is a digital audio 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.720 file made available on the Internet for downloading to a 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:10.080 computer or mobile device, typically available as a series new 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:15.040 installments of which can be received by subscribers automatically. So 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.839 they're easy, right, So I just speak into the microphone 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:24.320 and then a digital audio file is constructed by by Nick, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.719 our engineer, and then he delivers it by car or 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.280 airplane to the Internet, and then those guys do their 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:37.200 thing and whammo, instant podcast. Every installment will be an 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.600 adventure that I will rip into like a juicy Porterhouse steak, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.479 just like the ones they've served at Balbonado's just north 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.240 of Old Town in San Diego. Since nineteen Jim and 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.400 Jackie Balbonado have been serving the greatest cuts of meat 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.360 and wild game. And listen to this, They've only been 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:02.000 shut down eleven times. That's pretty good considering they have 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.640 a whole roasted camel on the menu. Anyone who has 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.920 tried to prepare and cook camel meat knows it just 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:15.159 doesn't keep balbonados. When it's time to find, dine and 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:20.600 drink a little wine, it's balbonados. What's that? I can't 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.040 I can't read my own ads? Okay, well, no one 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:30.359 told me that, so sorry. The voice that you're hearing 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.080 in the back there is Carolina. Carolina is our show producer, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.760 and just she's a fantastic lady. And why don't why 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.000 don't you get a little close to the mike so 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:43.359 everyone can hear you. Okay, there you go. Great, Hello Carolina, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.479 how do you? How do you feel about the show? Oh? 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.960 I think it'll be pretty good. I don't know. I 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.600 mean it's sort of up to you. Ron. Well, I 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.720 think it'll be up to all of us, you know, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.920 to pull our own weight. Uh yeah, but still it's 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.400 your podcast a right. But now now I feel weird 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.599 like you're judging me. No, no, no, I'm not. This 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.640 is weird. Sorry. I don't mean to be weird. I 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.919 just know it is. I think the show is going 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.000 to be great. I feel weird, like I don't want 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.520 to continue. Ron stop, You're fine, the show is gonna 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.520 be great. Do you mean that you're not just saying that, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:25.119 let's just have a great first podcast. Okay, yes, okay, yeah, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.280 let's just get this one down. Nick the engineer will 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.120 make sure he downloads it into the audio file and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.920 he delivers it to the fine men and women at 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.520 the Internet, and then we can breathe a sigh of relief. No, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:46.080 that sounds great. Oh my god. Yes, okay, once again 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:51.239 our producer Carolina. She is top notch, a real smart cookie. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.240 Went to Sarah Lawrence, which I always thought was a 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.799 made up school. No, it's real school. Very good. Great. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.520 Did you like your time at Sarah Lawrence Oh yeah, no, 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.240 it was so fascinating. I studied American literature from the 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.040 nineteenth century and um then I got actually an internship 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:15.160 at npr UM and from then on I moved to US. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.320 Is there a Tom Jones University? No, I don't think 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.960 I don't think there is. Maybe in Scotland. I don't know. Well, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.480 I think there should be one, especially if Sarah Lawrence 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.440 got her own school. You know, like I said, this 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.360 will be a journey, and I want to be upfront 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.640 with you. We're gonna make some mistakes along the way. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.520 I may get a factor two wrong, but I will 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.360 always issue an apology in Carolina, will fact check us 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.000 at the end of each broadcast. And finally, I want 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.560 to thank you the listener, for indulging me on what 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.840 could become the greatest chapter of my career or complete 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.280 and utter failure in some ways. And I don't want 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.520 to come off crasp, but now I think I know 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:08.880 how Neil Armstrong felt. One giant step for man, one 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:17.840 giant leap for all the other people. Powerful words from 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.800 a powerful man. So please come with me. Let me 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.440 be your Neil Armstrong or your Lance Armstrong or any 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.520 of the Armstrongs. Let me guide you to the truth 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.920 by doing the only thing I know how to do. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.240 Speak from my fart. Damn it, I'm meant to say hard. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.520 We can we can edit that out right, Okay, thank god? Okay, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.080 I wrote, I wrote hart, and I wrote I even 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.160 wrote a symbol of art, but I was I'm nervous. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.920 So all right, let's take some calls. Caller number one, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.360 you're on with Ron Burgundy. What's on your mind colors, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.400 No colors. No, okay, So and let me ask what 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.920 why aren't their callers? No, they're not any callers because 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:11.320 there won't be any callers on this because we didn't 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.160 get the phone lines set up. No, because people aren't 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:20.760 listening in real time. Check got it? Okay, no callers. Great. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.440 So for our first episode, I've decided we'll lean on 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.920 the old podcast forum that never ceases to fail. Yes, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:34.840 that of the true crime podcast They're incredibly popular, wouldn't 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.120 you say, Carolina. Yeah, probably the most popular podcasts have 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:43.600 to do with true crime investigations. There's no question. I mean, yeah, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.400 there's other popular genres, but but it's white hot. The 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.480 true crime podcast form is white hot. Sure. I mean 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.000 it's not just hitting. It's been a trend for probably 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.319 at least three four years. But it's molten white hot. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.880 It's good. It's a it's like a bucket full of lava. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.439 It's an okay thing to choose for an episode. Everyone 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.680 wants to know about the sickos out there. That's the 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.280 bottom line, what they've done and what they'll do next. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.280 I know you listeners out there are sitting in your 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.920 cars right now eating some cold hummus wrap from old Foods, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.400 waiting for the blood splatter analysis. And I've got it 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:29.040 and it's bloody and it's everywhere. Boy is it disgusting? 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:36.360 And with that, Welcome to true crime. But first let's 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:41.240 do our movie reviews segment. A star is born. Someone 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:46.520 finally told my story. I've never spoken to Bradley Cooper, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.200 but he obviously knows who I am. I used to 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.880 hide my singing voice, just like Google Gaga, but now 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.960 I'm more brazen than ever. There aren't enough stories out 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.360 there about straight, white, red blooded males. And when I 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.960 saw that my story was finally being told, I tell 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.040 you I was shaken in my boots. That being said, 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.880 I did leave as soon as I finished my popcorn, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.319 got some more, and then drove home. So I didn't 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.760 quite finishing them. Is that how you see movies? Once 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.400 I'm done about popcorn? A bounce? Oh that's so. Yeah, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.000 you can just get popcorn at home. And that's just 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.560 the way I've done it. I can't teach the old 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:34.120 dog new tricks. Yeah sure, I just I think you 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.360 want to know what happens. But Google Gaga is a 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.160 real talent. I'm just telling you, right, now right, it's 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.920 Lady Gaga, but her first name is Google. I think 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.040 her name is Stephanie. Actually, then why does she go 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.720 by Lady Google Gaga? Lady Gaga? And I think it's 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.400 just more of like a stage name. She's a pop star. Oh, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.800 it's a stage name. It's like a name you have 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.280 to actors have to do because their name is already 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.079 taken by the Screen Actors Guild, things like that. Yeah, sure, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.080 so someone had already taken Stephanie. No, I think it's 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.920 more she wanted to perform as Lady Gaga, So why 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.600 would she choose the name Lady Gaga? Um, you know what, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.160 That's something you'd have to ask her when that's a 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:24.280 whole another podcast. So back to our murder episode. Carolina, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.319 let's let's go ahead and take a collar. Oh no, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.040 we can't take a collar. Christ Carolina, do you pay 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.679 these producers to say? No? I get that for free 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:42.600 at home with my wife. Are you are you married? No? 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.719 But for the sake of the joke, I am we are. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.880 We're going to take a look at a few cases. Um, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.360 some of these will shock you, disturb you, and most 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.920 of all perplex you. But we'll get to the bottom 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:06.120 of them all. First up, Q Scary Music, Thank you. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.600 This one is a murder case in Arizona. A woman 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.960 named Mackenzie Rothkamp was accused of murdering her husband, Harold 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:22.959 Rothcamp two knife jabs in the chest. Police found Mackenzie's 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.560 fingerprints on the knife that was later identified as the 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:33.280 murder weapon, and after her rest, they interrogated her for 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:40.600 a cool twenty minutes. In the interrogation room, Mackenzie confessed that, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:46.840 preceding a jealous row, she did indeed kill him. The 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.920 jury sentenced her to twenty to life and that was that. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.720 So we got we got one down. We did one. However, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.599 any other details like do we know the if the 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.360 confession was coerced, or if the fingerprints were just on 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.120 the knife because it was her knife at home, or 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.640 you know what I think. We just trust the process. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.880 You know. It seems like everyone did their job. It's 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.840 a beautiful system, zero holes in it. Yeah, okay, I 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.120 mean this was our investigative. Let's move Let's move on 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:26.840 to the next. Q Scary Music. A series of gruesome 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:32.280 murders in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Betrayal of blood led 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.760 the detectives to their victims bodies, and the murderer was 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:43.200 later identified as local bartender Fred Oxhorn. Wait wait, wait, wait, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.480 hold on, Fred Oxhorn. It was in wait Fred Oxhorn 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.840 by the stars of c G. I it's Fred. Oh, Fred, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.720 I know Fred. I love Fred. Are you serious? You 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.560 know Fred? You know him? Yeah? He was one of 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.280 my favorite bartenders in Pasadena. He bartender to the thirty five. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.720 He's great, what a great guy. I think he's a 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:15.320 really reading this file was shockingly violent. I mean, if 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.240 if it was after last call, he'd take us to 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.600 his shed in the back for a drink. He's is 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:24.720 a beautiful collection of animal hides. Yes, and there's no 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.960 way he did this. Not my Fred, not my Fred Oxhorn. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.480 I think he confessed. And if it is him, I 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.080 bet there's an explanation that reminds me. By the way, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.560 I've got to call Fred. Call Fred, Carolina, please remind 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.920 me before I leave today. I've got to call Fred 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:48.400 Oxhorn to set up a lunch date. Sure, I think 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.360 he's in prison. We're going hiking and the Hands of 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:59.280 Brego Desert. Okay, onto the next one. Mm HMQ scary music. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:06.120 This one is called the Zodiac Killer, a serial killer 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.720 who taunted the press with bizarre codes that looked like 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:15.320 little hipster tattoos. Interesting background for the Zodiac Killer. He 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.880 was raised in Houston, Texas, and he actually attended Princeton 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:25.520 and then Harvard Law. Pretty impressive. He worked in the 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.320 White House for George W. Bush, was instrumental in the 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:33.600 two thousand Florida presidential recount, and is now working as 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:38.600 a senator in Texas. Born Raphael Edward Cruz, he changed 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.240 his name to appear more American and is now called 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.040 Ted Cruz, and he's doing quite well for himself. His 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.600 wife just revealed that they cannot afford a second home. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.000 But to suffer is to be human. So that Chris 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.480 goes to show it doesn't matter how many people you 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:01.920 kill in San Francisco, you'll be justified. Interest. These are fascinating, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:07.680 their bone chilling. They are chilling me to the bone. Yeah. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.919 I mean that one is the Zodiac Killer, a k A. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.360 Ted Cruise, Senator Ted Cruz. So that's who that is. Well, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:22.679 it's actually that's more of an Internet There's not a 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.800 lot of evidence. Two, but I just read the evidence. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.400 I mean, this is something you wrote. I mean attended 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:36.560 Princeton then Harvard Law. Add that up. Those people are nuts. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:43.080 That's a crazy combination there. That's a lethal cocktail. Princeton 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.119 and Harvard Law. Cuck. I just think that's a smart person, probably, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.640 I mean, not that he. These cases have been fascinating. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.359 I mean they seem pretty open and closed. Um yeah, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.000 but you know the murder cases. I just thought we 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.920 would have cases that were a little more perplexing that 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:07.560 we could go in. I found them all astonishing and perplexing. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.120 I don't know, great work, this was wonderful. In fact, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.119 this is all your stuff, like you wrote this on 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.800 your phone. I know. I'm telling myself. Great work, Ron, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.520 great work. If you're listening in your car, why don't 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.440 you pull over to arrest up? And it's a good 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.560 time to take a year nation break like I'm going 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:33.919 to do right now. We'll be right back and we 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.000 are back here at the Ron Burgundy Podcast. We are 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:42.879 doing a very very intriguing podcast today where we have 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:48.240 been talking about true crimes, cold case murders, and it 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.919 is so far, so good, right Carolina, I think we're 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.040 knocking it out of the park. Yeah, No, I mean 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.840 there's some factual stuff that we have to go over. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:02.840 But but other than that a plus. Right now, we're 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:09.439 joined by a very esteemed forensic psychologist, Dr Scott Musgrove. 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.200 Am I pronouncing it correctly? Yes, yes, thank you, um, 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.320 thank you for joining us here. It's a privilege. Thank you, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.800 and thank you for for giving us insight with your 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.320 your valuable expertise. Let me ask you this question, what 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:28.919 exactly does a forensic psychologists do? So a forensic psychologists 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.359 works at the intersection between the realm of mental health 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.840 and the realm of the legal system. So in our training, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:44.840 our expertise, and education, we provide information, evaluation and assessment 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:50.159 to the legal preceding community. So we might go to 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.840 court as expert witnesses on the person who's committed crimes 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.000 or been accused of committing crimes in the community, and 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.480 we evaluate whether or not their mental health may have 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.919 had an hacked on. That interesting and did you have 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.320 to go to school for that or can you just say, hey, 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.760 I'm a forensic psychologist, I can read people. No, that 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.320 would be frowned upon. It's it's a doctoral degree. It's 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.480 a doctoral degree. That's right. I'm sorry you are a doctor. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.400 I read that So how many years of schooling did 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.800 you have to do for the masters in doctoral? It's 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.960 all together about six years of school plus. So this 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.560 isn't This isn't baby games here, this is real life drama. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:36.840 You're a real doctor. Yes, So I have these horrible 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:42.600 bunyans and they are putting such pressure on I can't 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.720 wear a dress you I have to wear these really 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.119 thick orthopedic shoes and I don't know what to do 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.480 about him? Would you recommend surgery? Well, that would be 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.280 out of my scope of practice. I'm not I'm not 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.600 a medical doctor. That's for you. Just have to go 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.000 to the doctor. Just go primary character position. Okay, so 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.960 you can't. You don't examine people medically in that guard. No, no, 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.800 I don't check that this is good. This is all 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.919 fact fighting for us. Okay. So I should go to 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.080 a clinic or I should just go to minitialist. Really 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.480 like a podiatrist. You should see a podiatrist. Yeah, okay, 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.720 so now this is getting confusing. So do podiatrists often 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.959 help to solve crimes as well? Not that I know of. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.960 It's a yeah, it's a foot doctor, got it? So 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.120 they have nothing to do? No, No, with the line 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.600 of work that you do. No, not, in my knowledge, 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.560 I wouldn't unless it was foot related. Unless there was 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.520 a murderer who killed people with their feet and they 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.920 wanted to examine some sort of aspect, then you'd bringing 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.479 it up, bringing up a dietrist. I've read a lot 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.240 of police departments are having podiatrists put on staff for 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:59.119 that very same reason. Really, that's what my research is showing. 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.600 Dr Scott. Let me ask you this question. H Jeffrey Dahmer, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:17.320 Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, F Mary or kill? And there 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:23.200 is a right answer. Excuse me, F Mary or kill? 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.119 And F is I know what you mean. I really 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.879 don't think that's kind. I can answer that, Carolina. I'm sorry. 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.159 I don't feel Carolina. I don't feel comfortable answering that. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.120 Come on, it's for the show. It's for the show. 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:43.280 Um okay. Based on their looks only and acknowledging that 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:49.240 it's it's terrible what these guys did. I'll say, kill 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:56.480 Richard Ramirez, Mary, Ted Bundy, F Jeffrey Dahmer, based on looks, Carolina, 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:02.560 I can't even look at you right now. Disgusting. You 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:08.280 are disgusting, Scott. I apologize. I would really recommend not 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.280 any of those three with any of those three people. 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:20.000 Voice of reason here, Yes, Carolina, this might be the 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.480 lowest moment the show for you, for all of us. 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:27.920 You put me in this position. I knew this would 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.440 be tough subject matter. I didn't realize it would it 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:35.160 would bottom out this quickly. We have been cast upon 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.399 the rocks. Let's see if we can't get this ship 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.240 back into deep water. Dr Scott, let me ask you this. 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.320 If you are grouchy and you've had a bad day 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:50.119 and you express that to some strangers, Okay, does that 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:56.080 make you a psychopath? No? Mhm Okay, no, absolutely not. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.320 I mean, let's get a scope on a psychopath, just 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:05.040 to checks and boxes. What is actually a psychopath? Well, 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.800 it's a term that gets a lot of inner Uh. 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.200 There's a crossover with another term called associopath. The way 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.120 we look at it in the Big Book of Diagnosis, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:19.160 the Diagnostic and Statistical Manuals. Yes, it's fascinating. And their 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.000 criteria for people it's by night by Night stand. That's 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.320 some heavy reading for night I'm just starting to read it. 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:31.160 Full disclosure. Um, so those two things would fall under 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.399 what we call antisocial personality disorder, and it's a constellation 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:40.000 of behaviors and uh thought patterns in an individual that 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:45.040 really show a callous disregard and lack of empathy for 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:51.159 other human beings. And these individuals may involve themselves and 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:55.200 criminal activities. There's a lot of there's actually a frighteningly 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.240 high level of in the community and the general population 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:03.159 of antisocial personality to disorder individuals, but some of them 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.480 are quite successful. Fortune companies actually look for many of 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:11.000 the qualities of antisocial people to put into very high 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.639 positions because they will take chances, making decisions that you 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.159 or I wouldn't wouldn't want to take, risks take. So 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.400 say someone you're late for work twice in a row, 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:29.280 and someone takes their mug of coffee and um when 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.199 you turn around after apologizing, throws at the back of 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.240 your head, scalding your skin. So you have to wear 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:42.280 a weave and a wig for six months at your 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:46.480 sister's wedding and your bridesmaid, I mean, this is hypothetical 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.360 that I would. I would, It's an absolute hypothetically okay 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:57.479 without it, and it was a one time thing hypothetically right, okay, 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:01.719 because the hypothetical person in question and didn't sleep for 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.840 three days. Well, that actually is very interesting. You're bringing 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.159 in an additional factor because at the first part of 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.320 the story I would have said that, you know, uh, 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.680 and the even and the person was hungry too. Yeah, well, 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.639 you know, people can There are people who have extremely 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:23.200 impulsive personalities and maybe a lack of ability to regulate 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.720 their internal experience of emotions. So those people tend to 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:31.119 act out more. But they're not They're not a psychopath. No, 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.920 but I would say that it's thank you, Dr Scott. 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.480 But what I'm concerned about is someone nick. Do you 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.320 hear that in the booth? Yeah? Maybe they just have 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:49.880 um to say I'm sorry sometimes sometimes maybe they will. 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.520 Emotional reparation can be very helpful in a work situation, 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.240 too help. But I've got a lot of those fortune 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.520 company guys don't ever say I doubt that the yea, 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.840 Well there in a different league that I would say it. 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:08.840 What if you were leaning out a window and you 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:14.000 dropped a watermelon on your producer's car. Yeah, what if 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.040 that happened? Well, that's a very doing it just for fun. 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:23.199 It wasn't calculated. Is that a psychopath? That's given me 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.920 a lot more concern because that's intent, right, That's someone 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:31.720 who intended to cause harm or harassment to another individual. 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.879 And if that person didn't pay for the cars and 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.520 will never pay the cars repair, the person who dropped 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.920 the watermelon, well that's that shows sort of a callous 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.639 disregard for responsibility, and that I'd be concerned. I disagree, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.760 especially if they're in a power of position. I disagrees, Scott, 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:56.560 But that's what this forum is for. Yes, I would 0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:01.080 say so. Yeah, Well, maybe in the future, in the 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.959 hypothetical land this. You know, this person says, I'm sorry, 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.040 I didn't mean to throw the coffee at your head. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:13.320 I'm sorry about your weave in you know, maybe that 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.719 could happen. Maybe it did, maybe it just happened. Maybe 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:31.320 the person says that happened too, says thank you, mhm, okay, sorry, um, 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.520 let's move on, Scott. Let me ask you this. If 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.040 this is a legal question. If a woman dumps you, 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.880 can you have her arrested? Oh my god, didn't Melinda 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.200 dump you? In what manner? Did she dump you to 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.840 involve a criminal act? Don't look at me hypothetically. I'm sorry, 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.080