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Speaker 1: check check is this on? Tell me tell me when
Speaker 1: we are we're rolling, and we will go ahead and
Speaker 1: start microphone check one two one two two Micronesia, Micronesia, Philodendron,
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Speaker 1: are we getting good levels? Just just tell me when
Speaker 1: we're ready, okay, tell me. M hmm. That's a good apple.
Speaker 1: Oh ah, nothing like an apple and coffee. Look down
Speaker 1: when we're rolling. We're going, we are, okay. Why didn't
Speaker 1: anyone say anything? Just tell me when we're rolling? We
Speaker 1: were rolling since when this whole time crap? Come on, Nick,
Speaker 1: Jeez Louise. Okay, so we're rolling. Thumbs up from Nick
Speaker 1: rolling Okay, m hm, I gotta chopped down this apple. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hello friends. This is ron Burgundy and this is the
Speaker 1: ron Burgundy Podcast. Que music, I said, que music. We
Speaker 1: don't we don't have music. Okay, we need to work
Speaker 1: on that. Hm. Once again, this is Ron Burgundy and
Speaker 1: you're listening to the Ron Burgundy po Guest. This is
Speaker 1: our initial launch into the podcast space, and I I
Speaker 1: want to welcome you, the listener to this journey. We
Speaker 1: are about to take together a journey that I think
Speaker 1: you will find fascinating, I hope, informative, and at times terrifying.
Speaker 1: I know that right now I'm a little terrified because
Speaker 1: I don't know what a podcast is. When the men
Speaker 1: in the gray suits approached me about recording my voice
Speaker 1: for a series of discussions, musings, interviews, et cetera, my
Speaker 1: curiosity was piqued, so I asked, is this played out
Speaker 1: on the radio? They said no. Then I thought, well, okay, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just record it on a bunch of cassette tapes
Speaker 1: and mail them out and hope that we get the
Speaker 1: money back, sort of an honor system. The men in
Speaker 1: the gray suits all laughed and said, Ron, this is
Speaker 1: why you're a genius. And I said, well, I'll never
Speaker 1: correct you on that statement again shrieks of laughter. This
Speaker 1: meeting was going well, and I wasn't about to admit
Speaker 1: that I still didn't have the faintest idea of what
Speaker 1: a podcast was. I'll be honest. It had been a
Speaker 1: while since I had had a meeting like this where
Speaker 1: people were interested in what I had to say, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was entertaining. It felt good. How did
Speaker 1: they find out where I lived. Can it Ron don't
Speaker 1: ruin the good vibes, I thought to myself. The men
Speaker 1: in the gray suits said I would have complete and
Speaker 1: utter journalistic control over all of my podcasts. And with
Speaker 1: that they left, and here we are, just you and
Speaker 1: me and a whole buttload of time to discuss anything,
Speaker 1: and I mean anything, by the way, I did look
Speaker 1: up the meaning of podcasts. It is a digital audio
Speaker 1: file made available on the Internet for downloading to a
Speaker 1: computer or mobile device, typically available as a series new
Speaker 1: installments of which can be received by subscribers automatically. So
Speaker 1: they're easy, right, So I just speak into the microphone
Speaker 1: and then a digital audio file is constructed by by Nick,
Speaker 1: our engineer, and then he delivers it by car or
Speaker 1: airplane to the Internet, and then those guys do their
Speaker 1: thing and whammo, instant podcast. Every installment will be an
Speaker 1: adventure that I will rip into like a juicy Porterhouse steak,
Speaker 1: just like the ones they've served at Balbonado's just north
Speaker 1: of Old Town in San Diego. Since nineteen Jim and
Speaker 1: Jackie Balbonado have been serving the greatest cuts of meat
Speaker 1: and wild game. And listen to this, They've only been
Speaker 1: shut down eleven times. That's pretty good considering they have
Speaker 1: a whole roasted camel on the menu. Anyone who has
Speaker 1: tried to prepare and cook camel meat knows it just
Speaker 1: doesn't keep balbonados. When it's time to find, dine and
Speaker 1: drink a little wine, it's balbonados. What's that? I can't
Speaker 1: I can't read my own ads? Okay, well, no one
Speaker 1: told me that, so sorry. The voice that you're hearing
Speaker 1: in the back there is Carolina. Carolina is our show producer,
Speaker 1: and just she's a fantastic lady. And why don't why
Speaker 1: don't you get a little close to the mike so
Speaker 1: everyone can hear you. Okay, there you go. Great, Hello Carolina,
Speaker 1: how do you? How do you feel about the show? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think it'll be pretty good. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean it's sort of up to you. Ron. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it'll be up to all of us, you know,
Speaker 1: to pull our own weight. Uh yeah, but still it's
Speaker 1: your podcast a right. But now now I feel weird
Speaker 1: like you're judging me. No, no, no, I'm not. This
Speaker 1: is weird. Sorry. I don't mean to be weird. I
Speaker 1: just know it is. I think the show is going
Speaker 1: to be great. I feel weird, like I don't want
Speaker 1: to continue. Ron stop, You're fine, the show is gonna
Speaker 1: be great. Do you mean that you're not just saying that,
Speaker 1: let's just have a great first podcast. Okay, yes, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just get this one down. Nick the engineer will
Speaker 1: make sure he downloads it into the audio file and
Speaker 1: he delivers it to the fine men and women at
Speaker 1: the Internet, and then we can breathe a sigh of relief. No,
Speaker 1: that sounds great. Oh my god. Yes, okay, once again
Speaker 1: our producer Carolina. She is top notch, a real smart cookie.
Speaker 1: Went to Sarah Lawrence, which I always thought was a
Speaker 1: made up school. No, it's real school. Very good. Great.
Speaker 1: Did you like your time at Sarah Lawrence Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was so fascinating. I studied American literature from the
Speaker 1: nineteenth century and um then I got actually an internship
Speaker 1: at npr UM and from then on I moved to US.
Speaker 1: Is there a Tom Jones University? No, I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think there is. Maybe in Scotland. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there should be one, especially if Sarah Lawrence
Speaker 1: got her own school. You know, like I said, this
Speaker 1: will be a journey, and I want to be upfront
Speaker 1: with you. We're gonna make some mistakes along the way.
Speaker 1: I may get a factor two wrong, but I will
Speaker 1: always issue an apology in Carolina, will fact check us
Speaker 1: at the end of each broadcast. And finally, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you the listener, for indulging me on what
Speaker 1: could become the greatest chapter of my career or complete
Speaker 1: and utter failure in some ways. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to come off crasp, but now I think I know
Speaker 1: how Neil Armstrong felt. One giant step for man, one
Speaker 1: giant leap for all the other people. Powerful words from
Speaker 1: a powerful man. So please come with me. Let me
Speaker 1: be your Neil Armstrong or your Lance Armstrong or any
Speaker 1: of the Armstrongs. Let me guide you to the truth
Speaker 1: by doing the only thing I know how to do.
Speaker 1: Speak from my fart. Damn it, I'm meant to say hard.
Speaker 1: We can we can edit that out right, Okay, thank god? Okay,
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote hart, and I wrote I even
Speaker 1: wrote a symbol of art, but I was I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's take some calls. Caller number one,
Speaker 1: you're on with Ron Burgundy. What's on your mind colors,
Speaker 1: No colors. No, okay, So and let me ask what
Speaker 1: why aren't their callers? No, they're not any callers because
Speaker 1: there won't be any callers on this because we didn't
Speaker 1: get the phone lines set up. No, because people aren't
Speaker 1: listening in real time. Check got it? Okay, no callers. Great.
Speaker 1: So for our first episode, I've decided we'll lean on
Speaker 1: the old podcast forum that never ceases to fail. Yes,
Speaker 1: that of the true crime podcast They're incredibly popular, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you say, Carolina. Yeah, probably the most popular podcasts have
Speaker 1: to do with true crime investigations. There's no question. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's other popular genres, but but it's white hot. The
Speaker 1: true crime podcast form is white hot. Sure. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not just hitting. It's been a trend for probably
Speaker 1: at least three four years. But it's molten white hot.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's a it's like a bucket full of lava.
Speaker 1: It's an okay thing to choose for an episode. Everyone
Speaker 1: wants to know about the sickos out there. That's the
Speaker 1: bottom line, what they've done and what they'll do next.
Speaker 1: I know you listeners out there are sitting in your
Speaker 1: cars right now eating some cold hummus wrap from old Foods,
Speaker 1: waiting for the blood splatter analysis. And I've got it
Speaker 1: and it's bloody and it's everywhere. Boy is it disgusting?
Speaker 1: And with that, Welcome to true crime. But first let's
Speaker 1: do our movie reviews segment. A star is born. Someone
Speaker 1: finally told my story. I've never spoken to Bradley Cooper,
Speaker 1: but he obviously knows who I am. I used to
Speaker 1: hide my singing voice, just like Google Gaga, but now
Speaker 1: I'm more brazen than ever. There aren't enough stories out
Speaker 1: there about straight, white, red blooded males. And when I
Speaker 1: saw that my story was finally being told, I tell
Speaker 1: you I was shaken in my boots. That being said,
Speaker 1: I did leave as soon as I finished my popcorn,
Speaker 1: got some more, and then drove home. So I didn't
Speaker 1: quite finishing them. Is that how you see movies? Once
Speaker 1: I'm done about popcorn? A bounce? Oh that's so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can just get popcorn at home. And that's just
Speaker 1: the way I've done it. I can't teach the old
Speaker 1: dog new tricks. Yeah sure, I just I think you
Speaker 1: want to know what happens. But Google Gaga is a
Speaker 1: real talent. I'm just telling you, right, now right, it's
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, but her first name is Google. I think
Speaker 1: her name is Stephanie. Actually, then why does she go
Speaker 1: by Lady Google Gaga? Lady Gaga? And I think it's
Speaker 1: just more of like a stage name. She's a pop star. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a stage name. It's like a name you have
Speaker 1: to actors have to do because their name is already
Speaker 1: taken by the Screen Actors Guild, things like that. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so someone had already taken Stephanie. No, I think it's
Speaker 1: more she wanted to perform as Lady Gaga, So why
Speaker 1: would she choose the name Lady Gaga? Um, you know what,
Speaker 1: That's something you'd have to ask her when that's a
Speaker 1: whole another podcast. So back to our murder episode. Carolina,
Speaker 1: let's let's go ahead and take a collar. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we can't take a collar. Christ Carolina, do you pay
Speaker 1: these producers to say? No? I get that for free
Speaker 1: at home with my wife. Are you are you married? No?
Speaker 1: But for the sake of the joke, I am we are.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at a few cases. Um,
Speaker 1: some of these will shock you, disturb you, and most
Speaker 1: of all perplex you. But we'll get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of them all. First up, Q Scary Music, Thank you.
Speaker 1: This one is a murder case in Arizona. A woman
Speaker 1: named Mackenzie Rothkamp was accused of murdering her husband, Harold
Speaker 1: Rothcamp two knife jabs in the chest. Police found Mackenzie's
Speaker 1: fingerprints on the knife that was later identified as the
Speaker 1: murder weapon, and after her rest, they interrogated her for
Speaker 1: a cool twenty minutes. In the interrogation room, Mackenzie confessed that,
Speaker 1: preceding a jealous row, she did indeed kill him. The
Speaker 1: jury sentenced her to twenty to life and that was that.
Speaker 1: So we got we got one down. We did one. However,
Speaker 1: any other details like do we know the if the
Speaker 1: confession was coerced, or if the fingerprints were just on
Speaker 1: the knife because it was her knife at home, or
Speaker 1: you know what I think. We just trust the process.
Speaker 1: You know. It seems like everyone did their job. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful system, zero holes in it. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: mean this was our investigative. Let's move Let's move on
Speaker 1: to the next. Q Scary Music. A series of gruesome
Speaker 1: murders in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Betrayal of blood led
Speaker 1: the detectives to their victims bodies, and the murderer was
Speaker 1: later identified as local bartender Fred Oxhorn. Wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, Fred Oxhorn. It was in wait Fred Oxhorn
Speaker 1: by the stars of c G. I it's Fred. Oh, Fred,
Speaker 1: I know Fred. I love Fred. Are you serious? You
Speaker 1: know Fred? You know him? Yeah? He was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite bartenders in Pasadena. He bartender to the thirty five.
Speaker 1: He's great, what a great guy. I think he's a
Speaker 1: really reading this file was shockingly violent. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if it was after last call, he'd take us to
Speaker 1: his shed in the back for a drink. He's is
Speaker 1: a beautiful collection of animal hides. Yes, and there's no
Speaker 1: way he did this. Not my Fred, not my Fred Oxhorn.
Speaker 1: I think he confessed. And if it is him, I
Speaker 1: bet there's an explanation that reminds me. By the way,
Speaker 1: I've got to call Fred. Call Fred, Carolina, please remind
Speaker 1: me before I leave today. I've got to call Fred
Speaker 1: Oxhorn to set up a lunch date. Sure, I think
Speaker 1: he's in prison. We're going hiking and the Hands of
Speaker 1: Brego Desert. Okay, onto the next one. Mm HMQ scary music.
Speaker 1: This one is called the Zodiac Killer, a serial killer
Speaker 1: who taunted the press with bizarre codes that looked like
Speaker 1: little hipster tattoos. Interesting background for the Zodiac Killer. He
Speaker 1: was raised in Houston, Texas, and he actually attended Princeton
Speaker 1: and then Harvard Law. Pretty impressive. He worked in the
Speaker 1: White House for George W. Bush, was instrumental in the
Speaker 1: two thousand Florida presidential recount, and is now working as
Speaker 1: a senator in Texas. Born Raphael Edward Cruz, he changed
Speaker 1: his name to appear more American and is now called
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, and he's doing quite well for himself. His
Speaker 1: wife just revealed that they cannot afford a second home.
Speaker 1: But to suffer is to be human. So that Chris
Speaker 1: goes to show it doesn't matter how many people you
Speaker 1: kill in San Francisco, you'll be justified. Interest. These are fascinating,
Speaker 1: their bone chilling. They are chilling me to the bone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that one is the Zodiac Killer, a k A.
Speaker 1: Ted Cruise, Senator Ted Cruz. So that's who that is. Well,
Speaker 1: it's actually that's more of an Internet There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of evidence. Two, but I just read the evidence.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is something you wrote. I mean attended
Speaker 1: Princeton then Harvard Law. Add that up. Those people are nuts.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy combination there. That's a lethal cocktail. Princeton
Speaker 1: and Harvard Law. Cuck. I just think that's a smart person, probably,
Speaker 1: I mean, not that he. These cases have been fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean they seem pretty open and closed. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know the murder cases. I just thought we
Speaker 1: would have cases that were a little more perplexing that
Speaker 1: we could go in. I found them all astonishing and perplexing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, great work, this was wonderful. In fact,
Speaker 1: this is all your stuff, like you wrote this on
Speaker 1: your phone. I know. I'm telling myself. Great work, Ron,
Speaker 1: great work. If you're listening in your car, why don't
Speaker 1: you pull over to arrest up? And it's a good
Speaker 1: time to take a year nation break like I'm going
Speaker 1: to do right now. We'll be right back and we
Speaker 1: are back here at the Ron Burgundy Podcast. We are
Speaker 1: doing a very very intriguing podcast today where we have
Speaker 1: been talking about true crimes, cold case murders, and it
Speaker 1: is so far, so good, right Carolina, I think we're
Speaker 1: knocking it out of the park. Yeah, No, I mean
Speaker 1: there's some factual stuff that we have to go over.
Speaker 1: But but other than that a plus. Right now, we're
Speaker 1: joined by a very esteemed forensic psychologist, Dr Scott Musgrove.
Speaker 1: Am I pronouncing it correctly? Yes, yes, thank you, um,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us here. It's a privilege. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and thank you for for giving us insight with your
Speaker 1: your valuable expertise. Let me ask you this question, what
Speaker 1: exactly does a forensic psychologists do? So a forensic psychologists
Speaker 1: works at the intersection between the realm of mental health
Speaker 1: and the realm of the legal system. So in our training,
Speaker 1: our expertise, and education, we provide information, evaluation and assessment
Speaker 1: to the legal preceding community. So we might go to
Speaker 1: court as expert witnesses on the person who's committed crimes
Speaker 1: or been accused of committing crimes in the community, and
Speaker 1: we evaluate whether or not their mental health may have
Speaker 1: had an hacked on. That interesting and did you have
Speaker 1: to go to school for that or can you just say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a forensic psychologist, I can read people. No, that
Speaker 1: would be frowned upon. It's it's a doctoral degree. It's
Speaker 1: a doctoral degree. That's right. I'm sorry you are a doctor.
Speaker 1: I read that So how many years of schooling did
Speaker 1: you have to do for the masters in doctoral? It's
Speaker 1: all together about six years of school plus. So this
Speaker 1: isn't This isn't baby games here, this is real life drama.
Speaker 1: You're a real doctor. Yes, So I have these horrible
Speaker 1: bunyans and they are putting such pressure on I can't
Speaker 1: wear a dress you I have to wear these really
Speaker 1: thick orthopedic shoes and I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: about him? Would you recommend surgery? Well, that would be
Speaker 1: out of my scope of practice. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: a medical doctor. That's for you. Just have to go
Speaker 1: to the doctor. Just go primary character position. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you can't. You don't examine people medically in that guard. No, no,
Speaker 1: I don't check that this is good. This is all
Speaker 1: fact fighting for us. Okay. So I should go to
Speaker 1: a clinic or I should just go to minitialist. Really
Speaker 1: like a podiatrist. You should see a podiatrist. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so now this is getting confusing. So do podiatrists often
Speaker 1: help to solve crimes as well? Not that I know of.
Speaker 1: It's a yeah, it's a foot doctor, got it? So
Speaker 1: they have nothing to do? No, No, with the line
Speaker 1: of work that you do. No, not, in my knowledge,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't unless it was foot related. Unless there was
Speaker 1: a murderer who killed people with their feet and they
Speaker 1: wanted to examine some sort of aspect, then you'd bringing
Speaker 1: it up, bringing up a dietrist. I've read a lot
Speaker 1: of police departments are having podiatrists put on staff for
Speaker 1: that very same reason. Really, that's what my research is showing.
Speaker 1: Dr Scott. Let me ask you this question. H Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, F Mary or kill? And there
Speaker 1: is a right answer. Excuse me, F Mary or kill?
Speaker 1: And F is I know what you mean. I really
Speaker 1: don't think that's kind. I can answer that, Carolina. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't feel Carolina. I don't feel comfortable answering that.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's for the show. It's for the show.
Speaker 1: Um okay. Based on their looks only and acknowledging that
Speaker 1: it's it's terrible what these guys did. I'll say, kill
Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez, Mary, Ted Bundy, F Jeffrey Dahmer, based on looks, Carolina,
Speaker 1: I can't even look at you right now. Disgusting. You
Speaker 1: are disgusting, Scott. I apologize. I would really recommend not
Speaker 1: any of those three with any of those three people.
Speaker 1: Voice of reason here, Yes, Carolina, this might be the
Speaker 1: lowest moment the show for you, for all of us.
Speaker 1: You put me in this position. I knew this would
Speaker 1: be tough subject matter. I didn't realize it would it
Speaker 1: would bottom out this quickly. We have been cast upon
Speaker 1: the rocks. Let's see if we can't get this ship
Speaker 1: back into deep water. Dr Scott, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: If you are grouchy and you've had a bad day
Speaker 1: and you express that to some strangers, Okay, does that
Speaker 1: make you a psychopath? No? Mhm Okay, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get a scope on a psychopath, just
Speaker 1: to checks and boxes. What is actually a psychopath? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a term that gets a lot of inner Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a crossover with another term called associopath. The way
Speaker 1: we look at it in the Big Book of Diagnosis,
Speaker 1: the Diagnostic and Statistical Manuals. Yes, it's fascinating. And their
Speaker 1: criteria for people it's by night by Night stand. That's
Speaker 1: some heavy reading for night I'm just starting to read it.
Speaker 1: Full disclosure. Um, so those two things would fall under
Speaker 1: what we call antisocial personality disorder, and it's a constellation
Speaker 1: of behaviors and uh thought patterns in an individual that
Speaker 1: really show a callous disregard and lack of empathy for
Speaker 1: other human beings. And these individuals may involve themselves and
Speaker 1: criminal activities. There's a lot of there's actually a frighteningly
Speaker 1: high level of in the community and the general population
Speaker 1: of antisocial personality to disorder individuals, but some of them
Speaker 1: are quite successful. Fortune companies actually look for many of
Speaker 1: the qualities of antisocial people to put into very high
Speaker 1: positions because they will take chances, making decisions that you
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't wouldn't want to take, risks take. So
Speaker 1: say someone you're late for work twice in a row,
Speaker 1: and someone takes their mug of coffee and um when
Speaker 1: you turn around after apologizing, throws at the back of
Speaker 1: your head, scalding your skin. So you have to wear
Speaker 1: a weave and a wig for six months at your
Speaker 1: sister's wedding and your bridesmaid, I mean, this is hypothetical
Speaker 1: that I would. I would, It's an absolute hypothetically okay
Speaker 1: without it, and it was a one time thing hypothetically right, okay,
Speaker 1: because the hypothetical person in question and didn't sleep for
Speaker 1: three days. Well, that actually is very interesting. You're bringing
Speaker 1: in an additional factor because at the first part of
Speaker 1: the story I would have said that, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and the even and the person was hungry too. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, people can There are people who have extremely
Speaker 1: impulsive personalities and maybe a lack of ability to regulate
Speaker 1: their internal experience of emotions. So those people tend to
Speaker 1: act out more. But they're not They're not a psychopath. No,
Speaker 1: but I would say that it's thank you, Dr Scott.
Speaker 1: But what I'm concerned about is someone nick. Do you
Speaker 1: hear that in the booth? Yeah? Maybe they just have
Speaker 1: um to say I'm sorry sometimes sometimes maybe they will.
Speaker 1: Emotional reparation can be very helpful in a work situation,
Speaker 1: too help. But I've got a lot of those fortune
Speaker 1: company guys don't ever say I doubt that the yea,
Speaker 1: Well there in a different league that I would say it.
Speaker 1: What if you were leaning out a window and you
Speaker 1: dropped a watermelon on your producer's car. Yeah, what if
Speaker 1: that happened? Well, that's a very doing it just for fun.
Speaker 1: It wasn't calculated. Is that a psychopath? That's given me
Speaker 1: a lot more concern because that's intent, right, That's someone
Speaker 1: who intended to cause harm or harassment to another individual.
Speaker 1: And if that person didn't pay for the cars and
Speaker 1: will never pay the cars repair, the person who dropped
Speaker 1: the watermelon, well that's that shows sort of a callous
Speaker 1: disregard for responsibility, and that I'd be concerned. I disagree,
Speaker 1: especially if they're in a power of position. I disagrees, Scott,
Speaker 1: But that's what this forum is for. Yes, I would
Speaker 1: say so. Yeah, Well, maybe in the future, in the
Speaker 1: hypothetical land this. You know, this person says, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to throw the coffee at your head.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about your weave in you know, maybe that
Speaker 1: could happen. Maybe it did, maybe it just happened. Maybe
Speaker 1: the person says that happened too, says thank you, mhm, okay, sorry, um,
Speaker 1: let's move on, Scott. Let me ask you this. If
Speaker 1: this is a legal question. If a woman dumps you,
Speaker 1: can you have her arrested? Oh my god, didn't Melinda
Speaker 1: dump you? In what manner? Did she dump you to
Speaker 1: involve a criminal act? Don't look at me hypothetically. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Well, this is what happened. I picked
Speaker 1: her up at m hmm gosh, eight o'clock because she
Speaker 1: said she had to work eight and it was our anniversary.
Speaker 1: We had been going out two weeks and so it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a special night. And so I go
Speaker 1: to her apartment and there's just a note on the door,
Speaker 1: and there weren't any words. It was just a drawing
Speaker 1: of a middle finger. So that's for you, Ron, And
Speaker 1: you want to arrest her, Yes, I'd like to file charges. Well,
Speaker 1: I get you know, in a situation like this that
Speaker 1: I and from a forensic psychologist standpoint, Well, let's let's talk.
Speaker 1: I can do that. No, I wouldn't say. Can I
Speaker 1: call my podiatrist get them involved? Well, you should call
Speaker 1: your pediatrist about the I know I'm gonna do that anyway,
Speaker 1: but not for this, alright, So that's that's not an
Speaker 1: area you can go. No, I mean, yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: That's not really breaking a law what she did. I'm
Speaker 1: sure at her, but she didn't break a law. Scott.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how how much interaction do
Speaker 1: you have in our our penal system? Do you have
Speaker 1: to interact with prisons? Do you have to visit them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will. My right out of grad school, I worked
Speaker 1: in California State Prison for several years, and then following
Speaker 1: that I worked at the Twin Towers Jail downtown and
Speaker 1: in my current position, I actually go to court a
Speaker 1: lot um helping to advocate for the mentally ill in
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles community to get the help that they need.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on people's court? Have you met Judge?
Speaker 1: I have not. I have not. If you ever come
Speaker 1: across him, could I hand you this football for you get?
Speaker 1: I'd love to get his autograph. I have a collection
Speaker 1: of autograph footballs. You know. I would love to help
Speaker 1: you out with that. I'm just not sure if I
Speaker 1: would ever really come in contact with him, I can't
Speaker 1: guarantee that would happen. We'll keep your contact information, and
Speaker 1: if you ever think that you're in a position to
Speaker 1: meet Judge Wapner or Judge Judy Forget, that would trump
Speaker 1: everything he's been Yeah, I really mean a lot to
Speaker 1: on um. That'd be great. I'll do what I can.
Speaker 1: So put it back to prisons um bad as they
Speaker 1: say it is, or a good place for some alone
Speaker 1: time for some people. I think it's a really good
Speaker 1: place to be. We have some you know, we have
Speaker 1: some very dangerous people, um that need to be removed
Speaker 1: from the community, and that's a good place. Melinda, I
Speaker 1: don't think that she needs to be my girlfriend ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend x Yeah mhm. So prison isn't this romantic place
Speaker 1: that it looks like on television? Uh, because I know
Speaker 1: I've seen some shows where I'm like, I could handle
Speaker 1: myself in prison. Old er on Burgundy. He knows how
Speaker 1: to handle himself in a in a fist fight. You know,
Speaker 1: you do have some good communication skills. You might be
Speaker 1: able to take a certain level I think, item, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, But for the long term, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the best environment for you. I don't think exactly. Um
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson. What do you know about his football career?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a sports guy. I just remember
Speaker 1: the Hurts commercials mainly. Do you know any of his stats? Actually,
Speaker 1: he was one of the first football players to rush
Speaker 1: two thousand yards, that's correct, and he did that multiple times.
Speaker 1: Was really amazing. With the Buffalo Bills. He played his
Speaker 1: whole career I believe with Buffalo Bills and did the
Speaker 1: San Francisco UM sure, Sans Francisco, San Francisco, he moved
Speaker 1: a lot of riddle cars. Yes, that that can be said,
Speaker 1: Bad boys, bad boys, What you're gonna do, What you're
Speaker 1: gonna do when they come for you? Who wrote that? Faulkner?
Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee that it wasn't Faulkner. I'm not
Speaker 1: or who recorded that. But when you're in court and
Speaker 1: you're walking down the hallway, do you and your profession
Speaker 1: and the like, do you guys as you're walking down
Speaker 1: the hallway to kind of create a fun atmosphere, do
Speaker 1: you guys all sing that song? Bad boys, Bad boys,
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do, What You're gonna do when they
Speaker 1: come for you? Do you guys sing that to each other? No?
Speaker 1: You really you really want to present as it would
Speaker 1: be professional? Yeah? Yeah. Do you get a lot of
Speaker 1: vacation time as a forensic psychologist? Uh? Yeah yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's a good job. It's a good job. It's a
Speaker 1: great job. You create your own hours, uh not really
Speaker 1: forty hours a week um for a large government agency
Speaker 1: and it's six years of school run. So just think
Speaker 1: about six years of school and you cannot Sorry I
Speaker 1: keep pushing this, but I haven't. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time believing that you're a doctor and you're still not
Speaker 1: allowed to operate on anyone. If you had to, if
Speaker 1: you had to take someone's tonsils out, would you do it?
Speaker 1: I would not know where to begin. It's a clinic.
Speaker 1: It's you know, there's one that's like, if we brought
Speaker 1: you back with all the right equipment and supervision, would
Speaker 1: you be up for taking Carolina stensils out? I don't
Speaker 1: even need that. I couldn't do that. It's elective surgery.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's not life threatening, I know, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I'm perfectly healthy. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you'd want me to go through that. Just kind
Speaker 1: of thinking of different things we could do just for
Speaker 1: a podcast episode. You got to fill the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dr Scott. Yes, here's another question. I have forensic meaning
Speaker 1: Latin for I don't know. That's really good question. What
Speaker 1: does forensic mean? Not everything has like a Latin root.
Speaker 1: Some words are just originated from the English language, you know.
Speaker 1: But like a psychologist, do you make people lie down
Speaker 1: on a couch in my private practice, if if it
Speaker 1: feels appropriate and if it's needed by the client. What
Speaker 1: if I were to visit you as a psychologist and
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lie on your couch, you would
Speaker 1: not have to. I would just pace the room. That's
Speaker 1: happened before and smoke cigarettes. We wouldn't allow that. But
Speaker 1: what if I was a psychopath and I needed to
Speaker 1: have my cigarettes otherwise I'd get psycho. Well, when you
Speaker 1: put it that way, we might be able to make
Speaker 1: some kind of a megandation. Yeah, yourself, Like, you have
Speaker 1: to be flexible, right, and we have to look for
Speaker 1: you know, the safe, your safety as well as my
Speaker 1: safety in that situation. Yeah, it was so fascinating before
Speaker 1: you got here, we we stumbled across the fact that
Speaker 1: I had no idea that the Zodiac killer was center
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. Well, I don't know about that information. It's
Speaker 1: that's a that's a popular um to my understanding, that's
Speaker 1: a really a popular meme or area of of humor
Speaker 1: in the community right now. But I'm not really I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure the ages would really match up, because
Speaker 1: are you referring to a mem I'm sorry, I pronounced it.
Speaker 1: I pronounce that's correct, it's but it's spelled me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a hard eat in the middle Oh, it's it's
Speaker 1: okay because whenever I read it, I think in my head, mem,
Speaker 1: well that's an interesting mem Yeah, that's like a French pronunciation.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a hard meme. Do you ever
Speaker 1: think of going to France? While we're on the subject,
Speaker 1: I think about the time practicing there. No, I think
Speaker 1: you would probably be better. I mean, if I was
Speaker 1: going to you would really need to be fascile with
Speaker 1: the life. There's more action in France. From a criminal standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we have a lot
Speaker 1: more here in the US. We've got too much. If
Speaker 1: you asked me, I would agree. Yeah. I mean, and
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on if video games produce violent individuals? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question, Carolina. Yes, you know. Now video games.
Speaker 1: We're talking Frogger, We're talking Atari Tank Battle, We're talking
Speaker 1: to the really violent games m Asteroids, Tar Sky, and
Speaker 1: Hutch Pinball Machine. I can almost guarantee that those would
Speaker 1: definitely not even be in consideration for inciting violence. But
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about violence and video games. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the debate is about whether or not exposing
Speaker 1: young children into uh not so much more like grand
Speaker 1: theft Auto Halo first person shooters. But then again, we
Speaker 1: don't really have it. I'm not familiar with those, but
Speaker 1: we don't really have any statistical um there's there are
Speaker 1: no numbers that really back up that there's a direct
Speaker 1: correlation between exposures of those games. What about vape pins, Well,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the youth. They contribute to violence, monkst youths.
Speaker 1: I would not say they contribute to violence. I would
Speaker 1: really be concerned about their contributing to health concerns, long
Speaker 1: term health concerns. Although I'm not a medical doctor. I'm
Speaker 1: just reading the research. Yeah, watch it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch it. Yeah, thank you for that. My back
Speaker 1: is killing me, but Scott, you can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: I gotta remember to take my dones back pills. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna say. I just really think
Speaker 1: you haven't seen a doctor and for six years, forty
Speaker 1: six years, not four to six years. And I'm still trucking.
Speaker 1: But you you see your teeth hurt all the time.
Speaker 1: You know what my doctor is? My doctor is waking
Speaker 1: up at six thirty am every morning, drinking two raw eggs,
Speaker 1: goggling with a about two fingers of Scotch and hitting
Speaker 1: the heavy bag. That's my doctor, Jesus, all right, I'd
Speaker 1: be really concerned about that. I mean, you have have
Speaker 1: you had? No one asked you, Scott. Just a human perspective,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do a colonoscopy of the human brain,
Speaker 1: you know, like how it works, because this episode, it's
Speaker 1: been fascinating, fascinating to get in the mind of a
Speaker 1: killer who. I wouldn't describe that as a colonoscopy. I
Speaker 1: would just say have they ever solved? That's another case
Speaker 1: we didn't bring up, the colonoscopy killer um, which I
Speaker 1: believe took place up near Fresno. I'm not familiar. It
Speaker 1: was a gentleman posing as a doctor, just like Scott
Speaker 1: uh who was killing people through giving them colonoscopies. And
Speaker 1: he just gave them a colonoscopy and then it was
Speaker 1: lights out. Yeah, that's look it up. Research it you're
Speaker 1: so into research, Carolina, Just look it up. Look it up. Well,
Speaker 1: anything else we need to ask Dr Scott here. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Dr Scott we Um.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate our relationship as co workers. I think
Speaker 1: that Ron learned a lot about how to mend things
Speaker 1: with his ex girlfriend. And that doesn't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: do with prison or arrest. It can just be and
Speaker 1: it was just it was informative and helpful. I realized
Speaker 1: I can't have my ex girlfriend arrested, um, just for
Speaker 1: breaking up with me, which was about to pay a
Speaker 1: lot of money for legal help. Two. You know, exercise
Speaker 1: that but I'm not going to do it now. Um.
Speaker 1: But we we really appreciate what you do, your expertise.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We're back here at the Run
Speaker 1: Burgundy podcast here with Carolina. We're going to do our
Speaker 1: fact check. How how do we do today, Carolina? You
Speaker 1: know we did pretty flawless if I remember correctly. You
Speaker 1: know we have some stuff actually, Um, so google Goga,
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, right lady, not lady and not lady Google Goga. Okay, great, Um,
Speaker 1: I have Judge Waffner actually passed away last year. So no, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, I feel I'm never going to get my
Speaker 1: football signed. Sure. Ah, I'm the most unlucky human in
Speaker 1: the world. I don't know about that. I think I'm
Speaker 1: having the worst day. All right, let's move on. Why
Speaker 1: am I so cursed? I don't think that seems that
Speaker 1: would have really completed my whole judicial set of signed football's. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but gosh, alright, go on, whole foods. Not
Speaker 1: what did I say, hold foods? Oh see, I always
Speaker 1: thought it was hold foods, like hold the foods for
Speaker 1: me so that I can come to your store and
Speaker 1: buy them, like hold onto them, hold foods. No, incorrect,
Speaker 1: So it's whole foods. Whole foods that's a terrible name
Speaker 1: for a market. Just means like organic. And then we
Speaker 1: looked it up. There is no records of a colonoscopy killer.
Speaker 1: There isn't. And I actually remember when you show me
Speaker 1: your dream journal. I think that was just a nightmare
Speaker 1: that you have that I wrote in You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. Guilty is charged, it happens. And also, um,
Speaker 1: it's San Francisco the city. Um not San Francisco. No,
Speaker 1: it's San Francisco Riso roni, the San Francisco treat because
Speaker 1: they put saffron in the rice of rony. No, it's
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know that. Um, I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. But the city itself is San Francisco,
Speaker 1: but don't call it Frisco anyone from the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: They'll punch in the face. I don't know why they're
Speaker 1: so particular about that. Yeah, you know, people in San
Speaker 1: Francisco bugs them so much. That's why whatever I'm up there,
Speaker 1: I just called Frisco. It drives them nuts. It's my
Speaker 1: little way of tweaking them anyway. Final thoughts. Today, we
Speaker 1: learned a whole heck of a lot. I think we
Speaker 1: learned about the legal process. We learned that Carolina would
Speaker 1: marry and f a convicted serial killer, surprising, shocking. We
Speaker 1: also learned that some people just don't even want to
Speaker 1: be in prison. This is Ron Burgundy. See you next
Speaker 1: Thursday on The Ron Burgundy Podcast. The Ron Burgundy Podcast
Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio Podcast Network and
Speaker 1: Fun Here Die. I'm Ron Burgundy. I'm the host, writer
Speaker 1: and executive producer. Carolina Barlow is my co host, writer
Speaker 1: and producer. The show was also produced by Whitney Hodeck,
Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien, Miles Gray, and Nick Stup. Our executive producer
Speaker 1: is Mike farre Our consulting producer is Andrew Stephen. Our
Speaker 1: associate producer is Anna Hosnian. Our writer he's Jake Pogous.
Speaker 1: Our production supervisor is Colin McDougall. This episode was engineered, mixed,
Speaker 1: and edited by Nick Stump. Until next time, this is
Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy.