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Speaker 1: sure at her, but she didn't break a law. Scott.

419
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how how much interaction do

420
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: you have in our our penal system? Do you have

421
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: to interact with prisons? Do you have to visit them. Yeah,

422
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: I will. My right out of grad school, I worked

423
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: in California State Prison for several years, and then following

424
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: that I worked at the Twin Towers Jail downtown and

425
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: in my current position, I actually go to court a

426
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: lot um helping to advocate for the mentally ill in

427
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles community to get the help that they need.

428
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on people's court? Have you met Judge?

429
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I have not. I have not. If you ever come

430
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: across him, could I hand you this football for you get?

431
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to get his autograph. I have a collection

432
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: of autograph footballs. You know. I would love to help

433
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: you out with that. I'm just not sure if I

434
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: would ever really come in contact with him, I can't

435
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: guarantee that would happen. We'll keep your contact information, and

436
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: if you ever think that you're in a position to

437
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: meet Judge Wapner or Judge Judy Forget, that would trump

438
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: everything he's been Yeah, I really mean a lot to

439
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: on um. That'd be great. I'll do what I can.

440
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: So put it back to prisons um bad as they

441
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: say it is, or a good place for some alone

442
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: time for some people. I think it's a really good

443
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: place to be. We have some you know, we have

444
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: some very dangerous people, um that need to be removed

445
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: from the community, and that's a good place. Melinda, I

446
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: don't think that she needs to be my girlfriend ex

447
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend x Yeah mhm. So prison isn't this romantic place

448
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: that it looks like on television? Uh, because I know

449
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: I've seen some shows where I'm like, I could handle

450
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: myself in prison. Old er on Burgundy. He knows how

451
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: to handle himself in a in a fist fight. You know,

452
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: you do have some good communication skills. You might be

453
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: able to take a certain level I think, item, yeah,

454
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: thank you, But for the long term, it wouldn't be

455
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: the best environment for you. I don't think exactly. Um

456
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson. What do you know about his football career?

457
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a sports guy. I just remember

458
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: the Hurts commercials mainly. Do you know any of his stats? Actually,

459
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: he was one of the first football players to rush

460
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: two thousand yards, that's correct, and he did that multiple times.

461
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Was really amazing. With the Buffalo Bills. He played his

462
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: whole career I believe with Buffalo Bills and did the

463
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco UM sure, Sans Francisco, San Francisco, he moved

464
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot of riddle cars. Yes, that that can be said,

465
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: Bad boys, bad boys, What you're gonna do, What you're

466
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna do when they come for you? Who wrote that? Faulkner?

467
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee that it wasn't Faulkner. I'm not

468
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: or who recorded that. But when you're in court and

469
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you're walking down the hallway, do you and your profession

470
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: and the like, do you guys as you're walking down

471
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the hallway to kind of create a fun atmosphere, do

472
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: you guys all sing that song? Bad boys, Bad boys,

473
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do, What You're gonna do when they

474
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: come for you? Do you guys sing that to each other? No?

475
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: You really you really want to present as it would

476
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: be professional? Yeah? Yeah. Do you get a lot of

477
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: vacation time as a forensic psychologist? Uh? Yeah yeah. So

478
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: it's a good job. It's a good job. It's a

479
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: great job. You create your own hours, uh not really

480
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: forty hours a week um for a large government agency

481
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: and it's six years of school run. So just think

482
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: about six years of school and you cannot Sorry I

483
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: keep pushing this, but I haven't. I have a hard

484
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: time believing that you're a doctor and you're still not

485
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: allowed to operate on anyone. If you had to, if

486
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: you had to take someone's tonsils out, would you do it?

487
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I would not know where to begin. It's a clinic.

488
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: It's you know, there's one that's like, if we brought

489
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you back with all the right equipment and supervision, would

490
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: you be up for taking Carolina stensils out? I don't

491
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: even need that. I couldn't do that. It's elective surgery.

492
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's not life threatening, I know, but I don't.

493
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I'm perfectly healthy. I don't know

494
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: why you'd want me to go through that. Just kind

495
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: of thinking of different things we could do just for

496
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: a podcast episode. You got to fill the time. Yeah,

497
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: Dr Scott. Yes, here's another question. I have forensic meaning

498
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Latin for I don't know. That's really good question. What

499
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: does forensic mean? Not everything has like a Latin root.

500
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Some words are just originated from the English language, you know.

501
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: But like a psychologist, do you make people lie down

502
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: on a couch in my private practice, if if it

503
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: feels appropriate and if it's needed by the client. What

504
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: if I were to visit you as a psychologist and

505
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lie on your couch, you would

506
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: not have to. I would just pace the room. That's

507
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: happened before and smoke cigarettes. We wouldn't allow that. But

508
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: what if I was a psychopath and I needed to

509
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: have my cigarettes otherwise I'd get psycho. Well, when you

510
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: put it that way, we might be able to make

511
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: some kind of a megandation. Yeah, yourself, Like, you have

512
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: to be flexible, right, and we have to look for

513
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, the safe, your safety as well as my

514
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: safety in that situation. Yeah, it was so fascinating before

515
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: you got here, we we stumbled across the fact that

516
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea that the Zodiac killer was center

517
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. Well, I don't know about that information. It's

518
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: that's a that's a popular um to my understanding, that's

519
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: a really a popular meme or area of of humor

520
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: in the community right now. But I'm not really I'm

521
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: not even sure the ages would really match up, because

522
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: are you referring to a mem I'm sorry, I pronounced it.

523
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I pronounce that's correct, it's but it's spelled me. Yeah,

524
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: it's a hard eat in the middle Oh, it's it's

525
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: okay because whenever I read it, I think in my head, mem,

526
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: well that's an interesting mem Yeah, that's like a French pronunciation.

527
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just a hard meme. Do you ever

528
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: think of going to France? While we're on the subject,

529
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: I think about the time practicing there. No, I think

530
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: you would probably be better. I mean, if I was

531
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: going to you would really need to be fascile with

532
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: the life. There's more action in France. From a criminal standpoint,

533
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we have a lot

534
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: more here in the US. We've got too much. If

535
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: you asked me, I would agree. Yeah. I mean, and

536
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on if video games produce violent individuals? Well,

537
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: that's a good question, Carolina. Yes, you know. Now video games.

538
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: We're talking Frogger, We're talking Atari Tank Battle, We're talking

539
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: to the really violent games m Asteroids, Tar Sky, and

540
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Hutch Pinball Machine. I can almost guarantee that those would

541
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: definitely not even be in consideration for inciting violence. But

542
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about violence and video games. Well, I mean,

543
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I think the debate is about whether or not exposing

544
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: young children into uh not so much more like grand

545
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: theft Auto Halo first person shooters. But then again, we

546
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: don't really have it. I'm not familiar with those, but

547
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: we don't really have any statistical um there's there are

548
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: no numbers that really back up that there's a direct

549
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: correlation between exposures of those games. What about vape pins, Well,

550
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about the youth. They contribute to violence, monkst youths.

551
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: I would not say they contribute to violence. I would

552
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: really be concerned about their contributing to health concerns, long

553
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: term health concerns. Although I'm not a medical doctor. I'm

554
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: just reading the research. Yeah, watch it. I don't want

555
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: to watch it. Yeah, thank you for that. My back

556
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: is killing me, but Scott, you can't do anything about it.

557
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: I gotta remember to take my dones back pills. I mean, yeah,

558
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna say. I just really think

559
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: you haven't seen a doctor and for six years, forty

560
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: six years, not four to six years. And I'm still trucking.

561
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: But you you see your teeth hurt all the time.

562
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: You know what my doctor is? My doctor is waking

563
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: up at six thirty am every morning, drinking two raw eggs,

564
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: goggling with a about two fingers of Scotch and hitting

565
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the heavy bag. That's my doctor, Jesus, all right, I'd

566
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: be really concerned about that. I mean, you have have

567
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: you had? No one asked you, Scott. Just a human perspective,

568
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to do a colonoscopy of the human brain,

569
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, like how it works, because this episode, it's

570
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: been fascinating, fascinating to get in the mind of a

571
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: killer who. I wouldn't describe that as a colonoscopy. I

572
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: would just say have they ever solved? That's another case

573
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: we didn't bring up, the colonoscopy killer um, which I

574
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: believe took place up near Fresno. I'm not familiar. It

575
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: was a gentleman posing as a doctor, just like Scott

576
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: uh who was killing people through giving them colonoscopies. And

577
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: he just gave them a colonoscopy and then it was

578
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: lights out. Yeah, that's look it up. Research it you're

579
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: so into research, Carolina, Just look it up. Look it up. Well,

580
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: anything else we need to ask Dr Scott here. Thank

581
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Dr Scott we Um.

582
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: We really appreciate our relationship as co workers. I think

583
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: that Ron learned a lot about how to mend things

584
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: with his ex girlfriend. And that doesn't necessarily have to

585
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: do with prison or arrest. It can just be and

586
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: it was just it was informative and helpful. I realized

587
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: I can't have my ex girlfriend arrested, um, just for

588
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: breaking up with me, which was about to pay a

589
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: lot of money for legal help. Two. You know, exercise

590
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: that but I'm not going to do it now. Um.

591
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: But we we really appreciate what you do, your expertise.

592
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you, thank you very much.

593
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We're back here at the Run

594
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Burgundy podcast here with Carolina. We're going to do our

595
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: fact check. How how do we do today, Carolina? You

596
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: know we did pretty flawless if I remember correctly. You

597
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: know we have some stuff actually, Um, so google Goga,

598
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, right lady, not lady and not lady Google Goga. Okay, great, Um,

599
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I have Judge Waffner actually passed away last year. So no, yeah,

600
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: oh no, I feel I'm never going to get my

601
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: football signed. Sure. Ah, I'm the most unlucky human in

602
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: the world. I don't know about that. I think I'm

603
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: having the worst day. All right, let's move on. Why

604
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: am I so cursed? I don't think that seems that

605
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: would have really completed my whole judicial set of signed football's. Yeah, no,

606
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but gosh, alright, go on, whole foods. Not

607
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: what did I say, hold foods? Oh see, I always

608
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: thought it was hold foods, like hold the foods for

609
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: me so that I can come to your store and

610
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: buy them, like hold onto them, hold foods. No, incorrect,

611
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: So it's whole foods. Whole foods that's a terrible name

612
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: for a market. Just means like organic. And then we

613
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: looked it up. There is no records of a colonoscopy killer.

614
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: There isn't. And I actually remember when you show me

615
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: your dream journal. I think that was just a nightmare

616
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that you have that I wrote in You're right, You're right,

617
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. Guilty is charged, it happens. And also, um,

618
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: it's San Francisco the city. Um not San Francisco. No,

619
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: it's San Francisco Riso roni, the San Francisco treat because

620
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: they put saffron in the rice of rony. No, it's

621
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know that. Um, I

622
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. But the city itself is San Francisco,

623
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: but don't call it Frisco anyone from the Bay Area.

624
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: They'll punch in the face. I don't know why they're

625
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: so particular about that. Yeah, you know, people in San

626
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: Francisco bugs them so much. That's why whatever I'm up there,

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Speaker 1: I just called Frisco. It drives them nuts. It's my

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Speaker 1: little way of tweaking them anyway. Final thoughts. Today, we

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Speaker 1: learned about the legal process. We learned that Carolina would

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Speaker 1: marry and f a convicted serial killer, surprising, shocking. We

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Speaker 1: also learned that some people just don't even want to

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Speaker 1: be in prison. This is Ron Burgundy. See you next

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Speaker 1: Thursday on The Ron Burgundy Podcast. The Ron Burgundy Podcast

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Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio Podcast Network and

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Speaker 1: Fun Here Die. I'm Ron Burgundy. I'm the host, writer

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Speaker 1: and executive producer. Carolina Barlow is my co host, writer

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Speaker 1: and producer. The show was also produced by Whitney Hodeck,

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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien, Miles Gray, and Nick Stup. Our executive producer

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Speaker 1: is Mike farre Our consulting producer is Andrew Stephen. Our

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Speaker 1: associate producer is Anna Hosnian. Our writer he's Jake Pogous.

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Speaker 1: Our production supervisor is Colin McDougall. This episode was engineered, mixed,

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Speaker 1: and edited by Nick Stump. Until next time, this is

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Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy.