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Speaker 1: A lot of ways, I'm like this too. My therapist

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Speaker 1: Like why don't you go on more dates? Like well,

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Speaker 1: and most people they don't. They can't if they have

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Speaker 1: like a normal job, they can't go out until six

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Speaker 1: So then then there's Friday. Well Friday is kind of

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Speaker 2: Really, but then if.

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Speaker 1: I say to someone like on Monday Saturday, let's go

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Speaker 1: were talking about your Instagram lives that you do, Kaylin,

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Speaker 1: It gives me anxiety to put something way out there

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Speaker 1: that's elective, because dating is elective. It's not like I'm

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Speaker 2: I don't have the words for this social outing.

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Speaker 3: Because you're a whole different person on Monday versus Saturday,

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Speaker 1: So then I kind of like to say, like what

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Speaker 1: People are offended by that. It's like, what do you

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Speaker 2: You think i'd be available tomorrow? It's like, real, are you?

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Speaker 1: And then there are some people who believe in this

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Speaker 1: That's a real thing I've heard before. I've read this

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Speaker 3: If we're already talking, we've established that we've hung out

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Speaker 1: What you're in, that's what That's what by saying that

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Speaker 1: And granted, this other guy had asked her out prior

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Speaker 4: I thought that was a good move. I was proud

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Speaker 1: Or at least I project. I don't think I'm better

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Speaker 2: When you ask someone I like, I have another date?

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Speaker 4: Be like okay, no, we should all feel that way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But sometimes I think people they they I've never

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Speaker 2: I've never once thought them, yeah, you can't play ladies.

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Speaker 3: Like if you it's mighty actually and you're actually free

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Speaker 1: Just be genuine like you're honest, answer like why do

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Speaker 5: Well hold on with all you guys are in long

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Speaker 2: All of you just in his defense, but I do.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that there should be I think everything

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Speaker 4: I don't know either. It needs to be a rule

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Speaker 4: that fits everything. I hear what we're all saying now.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I'm saying is that I'm on soft

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Speaker 2: I wonder how is soft girl TikTok killing?

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Speaker 4: Here we go?

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Speaker 3: Basically, my algorithm is telling me that I have a

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to be my feminim I can't say that word.

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Speaker 3: My feminim era means your feminine.

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Speaker 2: What does it have to do with TikTok? Well, that's

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Speaker 3: I'm all these videos algorithm, I was.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and living in your feminine soft girl era. So

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Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying is that we're supposed to

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Speaker 1: Wait ten days because I don't know I'm ten Like already,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's silly that you'd rather go home

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Speaker 1: That doesn't I mean that honestly, that's more in your

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Speaker 2: Hey man? You planned dates two weeks in advance? How

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ryan, Have a good day. Yeah or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Here's a text. No games in dating. You're too old

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Speaker 1: But instead it was like, this girl is young, but

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I don't, right, Why don't you find another date until

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Speaker 2: I didn't. Don't you worried about?

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Speaker 2: You think you think I went home and just said

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Speaker 2: around no, yes, So I didn't do that marking off

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Speaker 2: He's got a big circle of it.

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Speaker 1: She probably maybe she's not interested. I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: Out with you. This proves my theory.

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Speaker 1: This is a text that girls think that guys are

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Speaker 1: we need to drop all the silly expectations and be honest.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Trust me, most guys are not thinking as

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Speaker 2: I didn't get my way.

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Speaker 1: But I think most people in the moment are just

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff. It's like, you know, what, if

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Speaker 1: we're not married.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kiki, we're not married. That's right. Single.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I have a new term for you guys today,

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Speaker 1: just in case, because I want to keep you up

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Speaker 1: to date all the time on all the different dating terminology.

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Speaker 1: It's very important. Do you believe any of you? Have

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: This is when an X reaches out just after you

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Speaker 2: It's called paper clipping.

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Speaker 1: It's toxic because they mean to keep you on the

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Speaker 1: it's when someone has enough emotional intelligence to know what

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Speaker 1: This sounds like me, but except I don't have no

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Speaker 1: I don't have a lack. There's nothing sinister about it,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't reach out to people

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Speaker 1: If it's just casual, you just ignore the person, right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do this. I'm going to like it's

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Speaker 2: Sounds like me.

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Speaker 4: I will fight till there's no fight left in me.

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Speaker 3: But like they say that no response is a response,

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Speaker 1: Like if I if I'm seeing somebody and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: not sinister, it's not a purpose. But like then I know, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I see what you're doing here, Like I see what's

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Speaker 4: And keep living life like they never existed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it drives me nut's when it happens to me.

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Speaker 1: what did I do? You know what I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: then you have the control.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I heard fewer words. It's not more worse.

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Speaker 4: So you want control, man, that's the goal.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't want to feel like I don't

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Speaker 1: need control. I just I don't like the unknown, you

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Speaker 1: why why don't they respond to me?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why I always respond no matter what.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe in not responding to people.

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Speaker 4: But that's just me. Yeah, I like words.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though, is it's not a control thing.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just where do I stand? Even if it's

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Speaker 1: not good. I guess I'd rather know where I stand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then you don't give me that. It's like Caitlin's

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Speaker 1: entertainer report is on.

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Speaker 5: The Fresh Show, Kith and Jenner wasn't trying to fire

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Speaker 5: shots at Kim Kardashian when she said that Kim was

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Speaker 5: calculated and always had been with her move to fame,

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Speaker 5: and I think like no one was surprised.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's pretty open. Kim has always

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Speaker 4: said I.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to be famous, I want wanted to be in

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Speaker 5: the magazines, like she was thirsty, let's just call a

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Speaker 5: spatus bata.

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Speaker 4: But when Kaitlyn said.

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Speaker 5: It, people thought, you know that they that Caitlyn.

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Speaker 4: Was coming for her.

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Speaker 5: And it's really that her comments in the promo were

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Speaker 5: really just a big, bigger part of a smaller part

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Speaker 5: of a bigger conversation.

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 5: Caitlyn's featured in the trailer for that upcoming DOCU series

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Speaker 5: House of Kardashian, which it's a British show. I can't

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Speaker 5: even speak today. I don't know if we can even

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Speaker 5: watch it. I'm looking, but it dives deep into the

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Speaker 5: family's rise to fame, and in the first look, which

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Speaker 5: came out last week, Caitlyn says that the quote was

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Speaker 5: kimberly calculated from the beginning, how do I become famous?

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Speaker 5: And while it seems like a dig I'm hearing that

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Speaker 5: the calculated.

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Speaker 4: Word wasn't the best choice.

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Speaker 5: But it's already been related to Kim that she didn't

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Speaker 5: mean it as a diss and it's.

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Speaker 4: Part of a bigger conversation.

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Speaker 5: You know how with trailers they try to make things

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Speaker 5: look more salacious than they actually are, and they have spoken,

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Speaker 5: they're on good terms. Kim understands a bad at when

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Speaker 5: she sees one, and for the first time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a series that the Kardashians don't.

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Speaker 5: Have control over the editing, so it may not go

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Speaker 5: their way. But she didn't mean it that way. And

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Speaker 5: I honestly thought she was just stating a fact, because

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Speaker 5: that is very true. You know, she wanted to be famous.

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Speaker 5: That's just a fact. The CEO of Adidas, this is interesting.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how to say Beyorn Golden. I don't

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Speaker 5: know that's his name, bjo r n Bejorn. He spoke

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Speaker 5: about Kanye West, saying the rapper and producer is not

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Speaker 5: a bad person. So I don't know why he felt

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Speaker 5: the need to say this. But remember Adidas cut their

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Speaker 5: ties with him after he made very very anti Semitic remarks.

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Speaker 5: So this dude, this Adida's dude, was on a podcast

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Speaker 5: and he said, when you work with third parties, that

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Speaker 5: can happen. It's part of the game. That can happen

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Speaker 5: with an athlete and entertainer. It's part of the business.

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Speaker 5: I think Kanye is one of the most creative people

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Speaker 5: in the world, which is true both in music and

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Speaker 5: I would call street culture.

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Speaker 4: He's extremely creative.

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Speaker 5: But then he was like asked specifically about those comments,

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Speaker 5: and he said, I don't think he met what he said,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think he's a bad person.

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Speaker 4: It just came across that way.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of what I have an issue with because

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Speaker 5: he repeatedly said it, and you know, doubled down. So

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Speaker 5: I don't even know why you would cut ties with

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Speaker 5: someone if you don't, I don't know. It was like,

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Speaker 5: it was a very interesting thing to say.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's just trying to say face because

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Speaker 2: I know they've lost it.

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Speaker 5: They've lost a ton of money since he Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 5: and like I don't know any.

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Speaker 1: Other Adidas besides me, honestly, Yea, he's trying to help

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Speaker 1: the business.

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Speaker 5: It's also not a good look for a German to

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Speaker 5: be like talking about anti semin Semitism in a way

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Speaker 5: that's like not, you know, fully against it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I just feel like I don't know

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Speaker 4: why he touched that, but he did.

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Speaker 5: And I mean I don't I don't know that Kanye

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Speaker 5: is a bad person either. I just think he definitely

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Speaker 5: met it at the time, whatever the hell he was saying.

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, and Stephen Colbert have canceled a

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Speaker 5: live event as Jimmy has tested positive for COVID.

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Speaker 4: We are seeing this everywhere. I mean, everyone is getting

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Speaker 4: sick now.

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Speaker 5: But Jimmy wrote, well, Las Vegas, I got COVID and

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Speaker 5: sadly we need to cancel this weekend's Strike for three show.

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Speaker 5: I could never live with myself if I got my

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Speaker 5: hometown friends sick. Thanks to all who purchase tickets, everyone

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Speaker 5: will get full refunds. We're going to try to reschedule

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Speaker 5: if possible. And Strike Force three is what they were

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Speaker 5: calling that podcast that they were doing for the writers' strike,

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Speaker 5: and they were also apparently going to do a live

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Speaker 5: event in Vegas this weekend. But Fred could have gone

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Speaker 5: and now he's going to have to skip it because

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Speaker 5: he could have done his impression of Jimmy Fallon for Jimmy,

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Speaker 5: which we need to click, so that would have been iconic.

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Speaker 5: More to check out online at Fredshow Radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yes, The Freend Show will be in Vegas for the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Music Festival. You don't want to miss any of

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Speaker 1: it tonight and tomorrow on the radio, on the iHeart

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Speaker 1: app on Hulu as well. Follow that Boy, Food Fighters,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson, came Brown, All the biggest stars all on

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Speaker 1: one stage, two nights and you don't have to miss

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Speaker 1: any part of it. It's almost like you're in Vegas

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Speaker 1: if you have it on the radio, the iHeart app

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Speaker 1: or Hulu each The Freend.

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Speaker 2: Show More Fred Show next right. The show is on.

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Speaker 1: A right, guys, this weekend our iHeartRadio Music Festivals live

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Speaker 1: from Vegas. It's on the radio, of course, on the

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Speaker 1: iHeart app on Hulu as well. Foo Fighters, Fall that Boy,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson, came Brad Lowayne a little dirt, Let me

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Speaker 1: crab it some more. You do not want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: It's tonight and tomorrow we'll be live from vegas,