Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a very grateful boy, and I love films.
Speaker 1: As Stuart Udell once said, cherish sunsets, wild creatures and
Speaker 1: wild places have a love affair with the wonder and
Speaker 1: beauty of the earth. Watch the film Shoplifters again. It's
Speaker 1: fucking beautiful. Yes, Stuart, You're exactly right, it really is.
Speaker 1: Watch it again. Nice one. Thanks. Every week I'm but
Speaker 1: a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then
Speaker 1: I get them to discuss their life through the films
Speaker 1: that mend the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Bed Clambells. But this
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Speaker 1: So Jim gaff again, Come on. He is one of
Speaker 1: the all time best stand ups of all time. I've
Speaker 1: been a fan of his for years. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to him forever. I finally met him in at
Speaker 1: Lame when we had a gig together. He was fucking
Speaker 1: brilliant as always. I was delighted to get him on
Speaker 1: the show and I could have talked to him for hours.
Speaker 1: This was so much fun. We did it on zoom.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna love it. So that is it
Speaker 1: for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two
Speaker 1: hundred and four of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a Grammy winner, a husband, a father, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest stand ups of all time, a legend,
Speaker 1: a flight of the concorder, a hot pocket, a new
Speaker 1: special every week, a comedy monster, a man who has
Speaker 1: too many children, and a person in his own right.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show. It's the incredible, the amazing,
Speaker 1: the brilliant. It's mister Jim Gaff again, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I want to hear you introduce someone. Yeah, like just
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, this guy is not that
Speaker 1: impressive really, you know, he's he's look, we got we
Speaker 1: needed to put out an Episode's the guy that I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, but like just hanging there. I've had, I've
Speaker 1: had everyone I wanted done, and this is it and
Speaker 1: we're running low. Jim Gaff again, you know this. I'm
Speaker 1: a massive fan of yours. Massive. I've seen you live.
Speaker 1: I can see when you was in London. That's so
Speaker 1: flattering because that was many moons ago, right, it was,
Speaker 1: it was and you were brilliant. And then I finally
Speaker 1: met you in la We did a gig together at
Speaker 1: the improv. I was very very excited and you just
Speaker 1: sat you just sat in the bar area having dinner,
Speaker 1: like a sitting duck. And I thought, this is mad,
Speaker 1: this is mad. You're about to get swarmed in it
Speaker 1: very much happened. I was like, this is You're just
Speaker 1: out there thinking it's okay. Well you were sitting there too, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like what people recognized you get that
Speaker 1: fuck such your face. Anyway, I've got lots of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. One is your new special
Speaker 1: ways brilliant like all of your specials? What's your turnover? Right?
Speaker 1: What is it? Once every two years? I've been kind
Speaker 1: of doing one a year and it's all self assignment, right.
Speaker 1: It's not like anyone saying, can you do one a year?
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of there's an obsessive drive behind it,
Speaker 1: and I also feel like I get better at it.
Speaker 1: But then again, I'm not you know, when I wrote
Speaker 1: a couple of books and if I'm working on a
Speaker 1: you know, when I was working on a show, this
Speaker 1: show I had, I wasn't doing one a year, But like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I'm constantly touring, so I
Speaker 1: might as well, you know what I mean, and having
Speaker 1: that kind of assignment of I'm gonna record something motivates me.
Speaker 1: But I always thought that you Brits, you guys do
Speaker 1: one a year, don't you? Yeah, we do here, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's unusual. It's unusual for an American. Do you get
Speaker 1: because I do? Do you get bored? If you're rety?
Speaker 1: As in? Is it nice to have that you're basically
Speaker 1: constantly making new stuff. Yeah, I think there's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm amazed it's not kind of what you're asking, but
Speaker 1: I'm amazed how quickly I forget it. You know, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes people like, hey, can you do that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how what I did, but I
Speaker 1: do get a little bored of it. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: also there's a there's a general fatigue around the point
Speaker 1: of view, do you know what I mean. That's why
Speaker 1: I always kind of find it funny when people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the clean comedian. It's like, well, it's not the
Speaker 1: first time I'm saying this, and I've hopefully rewritten it
Speaker 1: a little bit, so maybe I can find a better
Speaker 1: adjective than fuck, you know what I mean? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, so that's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you know, you rewrite it, but like even
Speaker 1: there's a fatigue around the point of view. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, sometimes you're like, I just don't feel
Speaker 1: this anymore, this thing. Yeah, you're also one of the
Speaker 1: very few comedians who writes with your wife or at
Speaker 1: least credits that. Yeah, which is I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: else has ever done that. Yeah, I mean, it's it
Speaker 1: varies the level of collaboration. You know, she had a
Speaker 1: brain humor about four years ago, and then she wrote
Speaker 1: a book and so we have five kids, so like
Speaker 1: the level of collaboration has shifted dramatically. Like when we
Speaker 1: were first dating, she used to go to every show
Speaker 1: with me, and definitely my second special. I remember waking
Speaker 1: her up and she had like a baby that was breastfeeding,
Speaker 1: and I was like, tell me some more. What else
Speaker 1: can we say about Bacon? But like it shifts now
Speaker 1: it's maybe more of an editorial role. But I do
Speaker 1: think that it's important to acknowledge her influence, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And even though stand up is
Speaker 1: very much this solitary act, it's good to have this
Speaker 1: collaborative input, you know. I mean, And I'm much more
Speaker 1: I come up with material much more talking with someone.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that we can come up with some
Speaker 1: material here, you know what I mean. We'll start the clock.
Speaker 1: Let's see how we get. Yeah, well, one other thing
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe you've talked about this a lot. I
Speaker 1: just don't understand the logistics of it. You have five children, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's too many. Stumu, it's way too much. And then
Speaker 1: you and your wife wrote, produced, directed, Maide acted a
Speaker 1: entire sitcom for two years that was about a couple
Speaker 1: with five children. At what point were you raising your
Speaker 1: children to say, Yeah, no, that's that's why we stopped
Speaker 1: doing it. It was just it kind of defeated the point.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I mean we're there. I mean, my
Speaker 1: wife's much more tireless than me. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: too hard. You know, as somebody who writes and acts,
Speaker 1: it's like having two hats on is really difficult. But then,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing more exhausting than parenting if you're involved,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like when I'm on when
Speaker 1: I'm shooting something in La, it's like a vacation. I
Speaker 1: mean like people are like, oh, I'm so exhausted. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is great. I'm going to bet at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: This is amazing because when you're home, kids don't go
Speaker 1: to sleep. What's the aids range. What's the oldest and
Speaker 1: the youngest. The youngest is nine and the oldest is eighteen.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's crazy, and they're all different. It's
Speaker 1: really annoying, you know what I mean, they're like individual humans,
Speaker 1: it's really and they all have their own problems, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're not like a friend that you're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't feel like meeting for lunch.
Speaker 1: You can't do that with a kid. You have to
Speaker 1: be like, all right, I guess I'm but you're a
Speaker 1: dad twenty four to seven. It's really yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: don't recommend it. It's too hard. Who's your favorite? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm being completely honest. I you know, I definitely have
Speaker 1: lesser favorites, but I kind of make a point of
Speaker 1: making them each feel special, Like I have one kid
Speaker 1: as my screensaver on my phone. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you don't want you don't want
Speaker 1: any of them in a therapist office saying my dad
Speaker 1: didn't like me. Yeah, but the folk your screen saver,
Speaker 1: thinking like this is this is my Katie, my thirteen
Speaker 1: year old, and she's the middle child. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, all right. At least, you know, there's
Speaker 1: simple things. It's like you're you're my screen saver. And
Speaker 1: then my youngest kind of looks like me, so he's
Speaker 1: like my mini meet. And then my second youngest is
Speaker 1: like an athlete, so who I played catch with him
Speaker 1: a lot. And then my sixteen year old is really funny,
Speaker 1: so I talk about comedy. And then my eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: she's like an angel. She's perfect. She's the social justice warrior.
Speaker 1: You know, I think of myself as a progressive, but
Speaker 1: like she's you know, she's like, you shouldn't say that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, I've learned more from her
Speaker 1: than she's probably learned from me. That's nice. I always
Speaker 1: ask people this. I'm still collecting the data. You've got
Speaker 1: five kids. It's a good yeah, good test. How much
Speaker 1: do you think they came out they were born the
Speaker 1: way they are? Huge thing. I mean, that's it's it's
Speaker 1: nature or nurture, right, Yeah, yeah, I think it's nature.
Speaker 1: I really think it is. Yeah. I think nurture's obviously
Speaker 1: important because by the way, there's particularly with teenagers, you
Speaker 1: see them they develop their own interpretation of facts of history.
Speaker 1: So I have one kid that views parenting as we
Speaker 1: made these mistakes. And another kid, I mean, he's really funny,
Speaker 1: but like you know, like my oldest was born an
Speaker 1: adult and my second oldest is like, dude, you gotta
Speaker 1: get it. Together and I don't know when, and some
Speaker 1: of that's you know, I think boys mature later. Is
Speaker 1: very funny, he's very smart, he's a great kid. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I mean? It's like
Speaker 1: and that's where it's They've both been raised in the
Speaker 1: same family, but they're completely different. So I think it
Speaker 1: is it's nature. Well, and I always think, you know,
Speaker 1: my theory on siblings is your siblings shape you possibly
Speaker 1: more in terms of when I think of me and
Speaker 1: my system as this not very very close. But I
Speaker 1: think we're very close, and we're completely different, and I
Speaker 1: think we're completely different in relation to each other. Like
Speaker 1: I went the opposite way that she went on purpose
Speaker 1: to be different. Do you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: if you have five five, I don't know that the
Speaker 1: dynamics of that, I can't get my head. Man. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm one of six kids or one
Speaker 1: of four brothers, and in my family, I'm considered the
Speaker 1: joke is that I'm third funniest. But like the the
Speaker 1: the ambition or the audacity to get on stage. My brothers,
Speaker 1: who were very funny, did not have it. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or you know I didn't
Speaker 1: want to embrace the humiliation, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because that came down to it. They had too much
Speaker 1: self esteem, that's what Haford. Yeah, they were comfortable with
Speaker 1: them says disgusting. Yes, Jim Gaffigan, I've forgotten to tell
Speaker 1: you something. Yeah you're dead. Yes, I did die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a relief? Right right? It's just too much guy,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what I mean. You like rest
Speaker 1: and stuff. Do you worry about death? You know? I
Speaker 1: do kind of assume that every ache and pain is
Speaker 1: a tumor. But uh, you know there's part of me
Speaker 1: that's like, let's just wrap it up. I guess I
Speaker 1: kind of uh you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mess up my kids. That's the only thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like when someone has a kid, another comedian,
Speaker 1: when a comedian has a kid, I was give them shit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, looks like suicide's off the table now, sorry, buddy, hear.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do that to a kid. It's
Speaker 1: so dark, but so um, I mean it's weird. I
Speaker 1: feel like during most of my twenties, I thought I
Speaker 1: won't make it to thirty. Like I just maybe is
Speaker 1: a romanticized narcissism or something. I'm like, I'm not made
Speaker 1: for this world, but uh yeah, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit on borrowed time. I Also, what's great
Speaker 1: is I'm glad that we don't see how people react
Speaker 1: when we die, do you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: like the outpouring of love for you even see it
Speaker 1: on Twitter. You're like, oh, so that person died, and
Speaker 1: so they're trending. And then there's I have a friend
Speaker 1: who died who wasn't trending, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like you're like, it's the weird entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I guess I hope by your friend.
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous, right, that's so sad. You also want
Speaker 1: to have a good impact on people like you when
Speaker 1: you die. You want people to feel bad, Like if
Speaker 1: people if you died and people didn't feel bad, that'd
Speaker 1: be kind of brutal. Yeah, you don't want a giant
Speaker 1: side of relief when yea death is annursed. I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't want it to be like, yeah, so it's weird.
Speaker 1: I just want it over quick. I just want it
Speaker 1: over quick. Do you care about like do you ever
Speaker 1: think about a legacy in terms of your work, all
Speaker 1: the things you've done. Do you think of them like, Hi,
Speaker 1: these survive me and become or is it all just
Speaker 1: you're on a treadmill? Nothing that is. I guess I
Speaker 1: would like it if my material would live on, But
Speaker 1: I've also been in this business long enough that I
Speaker 1: realize it's just everyone's so disposable, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like there's like Carlin and then everyone else,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: also every decade kind of the everything changes so much.
Speaker 1: And I kind of pride myself on my material hopefully
Speaker 1: being evergreen. But I think it's weird how people love
Speaker 1: of you know, comedians that have passed away, and then
Speaker 1: you watch some of their stuff and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that's really just hateful, you know. I mean, like in
Speaker 1: between those great observations, there's just hateful, just kind of
Speaker 1: like emotion pulling strings because making someone laugh or angry
Speaker 1: is it's kind of close to each other. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I've never heard it that way. Angry making them laugh
Speaker 1: and making them angry it's the same. You think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why when you watch someone do I mean, I
Speaker 1: nerd out on some of this uh performance stuff. But
Speaker 1: there's the clowns, there's the preacher, and you know, the
Speaker 1: preacher comic is similar to It's kind of like running
Speaker 1: a union hall. It's just kind of like the people
Speaker 1: that get applause Breau. It's like, I'm against racism and
Speaker 1: through were like, yeah, I guess I am too, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, what is it um? So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never heard anger angering laughter is
Speaker 1: to say, I thought it was a release from your anger, right,
Speaker 1: It's like anger shock laugh, yeah, you know, shock and laugh.
Speaker 1: You know. Is it just because we're in comedy that
Speaker 1: I think this? Because it might be just true of everything,
Speaker 1: but it does feel like comedy is the thing that
Speaker 1: dates the most in terms of you look at dramas
Speaker 1: from the past and that probably held out better than comedies.
Speaker 1: So many comedies are like, oh boy, is that wrong?
Speaker 1: I don't that's true. No, No, I think you're I
Speaker 1: think the concept of liberty keeps shifting. So people that
Speaker 1: pedal in irreverence or shocked, Yeah, that keeps moving. So
Speaker 1: like that's true. What was ir reverend or how you've
Speaker 1: got a reaction in the seventies or nineties shifts so
Speaker 1: much like I remember, like I remember in the late
Speaker 1: nineties or maybe it was the early two thousands, where
Speaker 1: like at least in New York comics were giving the
Speaker 1: self assignment like they were going to do a joke
Speaker 1: with the Edward and I'm going to be what do
Speaker 1: you guys do it? But it was and it wasn't malicious,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even um, it was just kind of a
Speaker 1: self assignment that they gave himself because it was a
Speaker 1: taboo to break, right. And of course I'm talking about
Speaker 1: white comics, you know what I mean. So, but it's weird.
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about stand up also even comedy
Speaker 1: movies is often you know, like we know about like um,
Speaker 1: some of these John Hughes ones that are problematic, but
Speaker 1: like even movies from the nineties or the early two thousands, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't age that well, that done and the stuff.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I'm always fascinated. But I'm sure I've
Speaker 1: said this once in this podcast that forgive me if
Speaker 1: you've heard me say something like this before. But DJ
Speaker 1: the film American Pie, which I loved at the time,
Speaker 1: and I think there's so much lovely stuff in it,
Speaker 1: and it's actually quite sweet film. It does, however, have
Speaker 1: this whole section where a camera is set up in
Speaker 1: the room and they're filming this girl who doesn't know
Speaker 1: she's being filmed, and you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: there's this whole kind of almost revenge puln aspect going
Speaker 1: on that at the time, no one questioned it. It
Speaker 1: was sort of like it was fun and sexy and
Speaker 1: now you go, Jesus Christ, that's horrible. But what happened?
Speaker 1: How Come we didn't know it was horrible? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? How Come culturally we consciousness expanded?
Speaker 1: Something happened, But it seems wild. There was this period
Speaker 1: of time where when that film first came out, as
Speaker 1: far as I could tell, no one was going, Jesus,
Speaker 1: there's this terrible sequence in it there this happens, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, well there probably maybe
Speaker 1: it was probably was someone that brought that up, but
Speaker 1: people were like, you're you're getting in the way of
Speaker 1: the comedy. Yeah, just enjoy it. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's I mean, you know, my parents were,
Speaker 1: you know what, we were considered progressive for their time.
Speaker 1: In the Midwest or part of the United States, but
Speaker 1: like you know, by today's standards, they were pretty behind
Speaker 1: the times. You know, it keeps shifting, so you know,
Speaker 1: even like you see clips of like Biden and Obama's
Speaker 1: being against marriage equality and you're like, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so weird. But it wasn't that long ago, do
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just it's it's pretty weird
Speaker 1: that and I'm sure that there's stuff in my act
Speaker 1: that in twenty years I'm gonna be like, yikes. I
Speaker 1: mean they're there, you know, I'm sure there is. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's enough to life? Gosh? You know, I
Speaker 1: it depends when you catch me. I would say probably.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like it's weird because like in
Speaker 1: some ways, it's like the practical mind is like, no,
Speaker 1: there's not, do you know what I mean? But like
Speaker 1: this constant of you know, like when you're in the deep,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no atheist in a foxhole. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like humans are pretty much scaredy cats. So like
Speaker 1: if I was about to die, I probably would say
Speaker 1: there is do you know what I mean? Or if
Speaker 1: I was you know, next to you know, a person
Speaker 1: who was going to pass, I probably would say there
Speaker 1: was do you know what I mean? So I just
Speaker 1: don't want to be dishonest. Oh I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: how you died? How did you die? I died in
Speaker 1: a plane exploding. Wow, on the way in the air,
Speaker 1: in the air, in the air. Because you don't want
Speaker 1: to be in a plane crash. You don't want that
Speaker 1: that time going down, that's brutal. What happened to bed
Speaker 1: getting the end? You know something? No, somebody was using
Speaker 1: their phone up there and that caused it. No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Somebody had their chair like you know, there's
Speaker 1: different rules up there, like somebody don't have their seatbelt
Speaker 1: on when this fast and seatball sign was on. I
Speaker 1: don't know what caused it. But yeah, okay, I got
Speaker 1: news for you. There is a heaven, just like you
Speaker 1: thought when you were worried. And it's great. It's great,
Speaker 1: it's great. It's filled with your favorite thing. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite thing? Can it be cheeseburgers? I was hoping you
Speaker 1: would say a food. Yeah, it is cheeseburgers. It's made
Speaker 1: of cheese. My gosh, that's amazing. The cheesegas. The wolves
Speaker 1: do you eat cheeseburgers. You look like you don't eat cheeseburgers.
Speaker 1: Well it's time you to say I love a cheeseburger,
Speaker 1: but I might not eat the bun. Oh that's good,
Speaker 1: that's good. So that okay, No, that's fine. Why is
Speaker 1: the cheeseburger so good? Why is it so good? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's got it. It's got it. Oh, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's just the whole meat thing. Because the reason if
Speaker 1: you had said you don't eat cheeseburgers, I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're eventually, I mean, eating meat is
Speaker 1: not good for us, and eventually it kind of like
Speaker 1: we don't drink coke anymore really or soda. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but eventually if people are gonna be like why have that?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not at that point yet. Oh but
Speaker 1: I saw that video of like eight cups of sugar
Speaker 1: that make go in a coke can. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: we can never have coke again. But yeah, but isn't
Speaker 1: it the same. It's the same as the American pie thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're right. I do think in the end
Speaker 1: we should will probably be vegans and at some point
Speaker 1: it will happen and then we'll look back at this
Speaker 1: and go, the fuck are we doing eating Jezebengers And
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able. I don't know, it'd be impossible burger.
Speaker 1: I've had some impossible burgers, but like, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to make all this stuff so it tastes like it,
Speaker 1: So it's not we're not gonna miss that much like
Speaker 1: you might have a steak every now and then. I mean,
Speaker 1: I say all this, but I'm gonna eat even I
Speaker 1: try to eat meat like five times a day. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that I'm not gonna eat feet, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying in the future, people are gonna be like, why
Speaker 1: did you do that? It's like, yeah, anyway, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna say it was a different time. We didn't know,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like you did that, we didn't Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the cigarette smoking back then, they're like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe breathing smoking and my lungs. It was bad for me.
Speaker 1: It's like, how would you not know that? Right? We
Speaker 1: didn't know. We thought it was good. We thought the
Speaker 1: cuffing part was sexy. That was the sexy bit. All right,
Speaker 1: You're in heaven. It's made of cheeseburgers. There's walking cheeburgers
Speaker 1: like mcburglar, but with the cheesy one. He's walking around.
Speaker 1: Everyone's excited to see you. They're a huge fan of you.
Speaker 1: They want to know about your life, but they want
Speaker 1: to know about your life through film. The first thing
Speaker 1: they asked you is, what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 1: Jim Geffigan Chilly Chilly Bang Bang Nice. I think it
Speaker 1: was probably that with your or your family. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember going to this theater and they were show
Speaker 1: you know, like these kids movies on Saturday, and we
Speaker 1: went in there and we saw a Chitty CHITTYBG Bang
Speaker 1: And I remember the callers. I remember the car flying.
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty instrumental. Do you remember the absolutely
Speaker 1: telephone Childcats hit? Yeah, I mean I kind of remember.
Speaker 1: I remember more of the car flying. That was the
Speaker 1: whole Dick Van Dyke kind of era. Because I would
Speaker 1: watch reruns of Dick Van Dyke, The Dick Van Dyke Show,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember even liking it. I just watched it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like back then, it didn't
Speaker 1: matter if it was good. I would just watch it.
Speaker 1: Like that was a big shift for me was realizing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is one of your questions,
Speaker 1: the first time you saw a bad movie was a
Speaker 1: big shock? Yea. I loved the movie The Bad News
Speaker 1: Bears like Tatum O'Neil. I was so in love with her,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a great movie. I loved
Speaker 1: Baseball and Walter math I was really funny. Then I
Speaker 1: saw The Bad News Bears Go to Japan, and it
Speaker 1: was the first time I realized, oh, this is bad.
Speaker 1: Like that was a big surprise to me that a
Speaker 1: movie could be bad, like I thought they could only
Speaker 1: be good. What number you with your six? I'm the youngest.
Speaker 1: I'm six. Okay. What is the film that scared you
Speaker 1: to most? Do you that being scared? I mean, I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in my fifties, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if any it was this movie Prophecy that with the
Speaker 1: two big angels in it. No, No, this was this
Speaker 1: was in the seventies, and it was seventies or early eighties,
Speaker 1: and it was a bear because of a nuclear planed
Speaker 1: a bear had been combined with you know, nuclear waste
Speaker 1: and had become kind of like a bear and a
Speaker 1: pig and a human like something happened and it was
Speaker 1: terrorizing one And I lived in kind of this wooded
Speaker 1: area and I would ride my bike home and it
Speaker 1: was the most terrified. So weird because I'm young. I
Speaker 1: have nine and nine and ten year old and they're
Speaker 1: terrified of everything, like we forget like when you're nine
Speaker 1: or ten, everything's terrifying. Like if you're like going to
Speaker 1: kitchen and get me this, they're like, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get murdered. Like kids are convinced there's monsters everywhere. Yea,
Speaker 1: And somehow we lose that. I think, Yeah, the bad
Speaker 1: pink what was it? Bad pink human? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a very It's so silly. But I saw the movie
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine who I'm still so close with,
Speaker 1: and every now and then, well we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: because it was that upsetting. And I've only I've seen
Speaker 1: like clips. He sent me a YouTube trailer and it's
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. It's it makes no sense. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: shot in a forest. It looks like it was a
Speaker 1: sound stage. It was like, pretty bad. What about crying?
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you cry? Do you cry?
Speaker 1: I have cried? You know, I always get teary at
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful life, like when they come in, when
Speaker 1: the whole town supports George, you know, because he's been
Speaker 1: a good guy his a whole entire life. That's that's something.
Speaker 1: And I've seen that movie a million times. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be my answer to a lot of things. Have people
Speaker 1: said it's a wonderful life before it's come up, But
Speaker 1: if it means that much, you can have it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, And I have like images of
Speaker 1: it in my office right here, just because there's something
Speaker 1: about that movie embodies a kind of a naive representation
Speaker 1: of what American life is. Like I guess do you?
Speaker 1: I mean that like you don't have to be like
Speaker 1: Sam Wayne Right or old Man Pot, you know, which
Speaker 1: is intellectually we all know that that's the important things
Speaker 1: are your family and your friends, but we never really
Speaker 1: remember that we dined. And there is always that thing
Speaker 1: of if someone else has said this, but like all
Speaker 1: these Disney films that are always like the messages the
Speaker 1: dad needs to stop working so hard and be with
Speaker 1: his family because that's what matters. And you think this
Speaker 1: film was made by people who never went home. You
Speaker 1: don't mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like that Mary Poppins,
Speaker 1: you know, the Mary Poppins Dad. And then there was
Speaker 1: like I think Brian's song was this story of this
Speaker 1: American football player that got cancer, but I barely remember that,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that was just a cliche
Speaker 1: of the only movie a man was allowed to cry
Speaker 1: at because athletes, you know what I mean. It's so
Speaker 1: funny because when I see movies with my kids, my
Speaker 1: eighteen year old will always sitting near me and like,
Speaker 1: if there is like a tender moment, she'll be like,
Speaker 1: you're crying. I know you're crying, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not so but yeah, it's weird. What about what is
Speaker 1: the film that you love that it's not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: a lot of people hate it, but you love it
Speaker 1: and you don't care what anyone says. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this was critically acclaimed, it might have been.
Speaker 1: But like Robert Duval did this movie The Apostle, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's so amazing, yeah, and it captures
Speaker 1: a part of the hypocrisy of Christians, but also the
Speaker 1: humanity of it. It was, it was, it was I
Speaker 1: don't know, I never did a lot of research on
Speaker 1: what but it's like it was, he wrote it, he
Speaker 1: directed it, and it was this great movie that like
Speaker 1: I I feel like I never really saw a movie
Speaker 1: like that before, and I thought fair Fast it was
Speaker 1: so good in it. But I think that probably was
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed. I mean it wasn't. It wasn't seen a
Speaker 1: lot for sure, but I spank it. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you've seen every movie ever made? Yes, except for Prophecy.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen the pig human film Prophecy.
Speaker 1: And so you how often do you go to a
Speaker 1: movie during the week? I mean twice. It's difficult. It's
Speaker 1: difficult because we're filming it, divide it. But I got
Speaker 1: as much as I can, and sometimes that will be
Speaker 1: a morning show I'll got a pneumonia, or whether I
Speaker 1: went twice last week? And will you you'll go by yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, yeah you must. You must do a lot
Speaker 1: of that when you're touring to you Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm touring, I pretty much wake up
Speaker 1: and obsessed. I used that time because my life is
Speaker 1: so hectic when I'm home to really obsess on my
Speaker 1: act and hopefully find a bitter too. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people go and see movies and
Speaker 1: do things, but I'm just in decompression mode. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like when I was I did this thing where
Speaker 1: I did pale tourists, where I would be in a
Speaker 1: country for a week and I would write material on it.
Speaker 1: And I'd gotten this mode where I would do like
Speaker 1: touristy things and then the next day I would try
Speaker 1: and come up with material, and so I wouldn't leave
Speaker 1: my hotel room. And then that just became the habit.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave my hotel room. But to be fair,
Speaker 1: it shows, it shows in your stuff. This stuff is
Speaker 1: fucking really really really good. And Jack Win, Jack Win,
Speaker 1: Jack and Jake. So I guess all the comedians that
Speaker 1: I'm doing that. I just watching films today and it says,
Speaker 1: it's really you really show this up. What is a
Speaker 1: film that you used to love but you've watched it
Speaker 1: recently and you've got out no no for me. Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's recent that I watched it. But
Speaker 1: when I was like a teenager, Purple Rain came out
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking that's that's a pretty good movie,
Speaker 1: Like that's a very thought provoking commentary. You know, it
Speaker 1: has all the elements it's and then I saw it
Speaker 1: later on and I was like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is absolute garbage. Um So that was one that I
Speaker 1: liked and then I realized was total garbage. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's the main one. There's there's movies that, uh,
Speaker 1: that don't hold up. And when you have kids, you
Speaker 1: watch a movie, Oh, you guys are gonna love this one,
Speaker 1: and either it's like you know, sixteen Cannas where they're
Speaker 1: like drugging or a girl and or it's just not good.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? It's you're like who
Speaker 1: and some of it? Or just the performances are horrible,
Speaker 1: do you know. I mean, like I love acting, so
Speaker 1: when you see really bad acting, it's it can take
Speaker 1: you out of the movie. Can play. Yeah, this question,
Speaker 1: what is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because
Speaker 1: the experience you had seeing the film will always make
Speaker 1: it meaningful to you. Jim Kaffigan, what is it? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of twisting your question a little bit, Okay,
Speaker 1: I you know, I didn't really have confidence around women
Speaker 1: in my twenties, but in my thirties as I started
Speaker 1: to get some confidence. Maybe it was my late twenties
Speaker 1: when I had this. I asked this really good looking
Speaker 1: girl on a date and we saw I mean, she
Speaker 1: was beautiful, and she was in an audience. She laughed
Speaker 1: at my jokes, and then I asked her out and
Speaker 1: we went and saw Beauty and the Beast. The first one.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh, this movie's garbage, and she loved
Speaker 1: it right, and so I was like, this movie's garbage.
Speaker 1: And so then I saw a Beauty and the Beast
Speaker 1: when I had, you know, children, like my eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: she recently had a party. It was supposed to be
Speaker 1: her sixteen year old birthday party, a big kind of
Speaker 1: like a thing, and she loved Bell and Beauty and
Speaker 1: the Beast so much that, you know, like she got
Speaker 1: the yellow bell dress a bunch, and so like that
Speaker 1: dramatic shift of me seeing this same movie and going
Speaker 1: this is absolute garbage, to like, oh this is great.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, missus Potts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: through my child's eyes, yeah, is so fascinating, and then
Speaker 1: seeing the live action version, which was then I go
Speaker 1: back to it's all garbage. That's a lovely story. My
Speaker 1: question is having gone to see Beauty in the Base
Speaker 1: with the beautiful woman and her think it was shit?
Speaker 1: Did that kill it for you? Were like, I'm not
Speaker 1: into you anymore. You think it was shit and I
Speaker 1: think it was good. I think it did. I think
Speaker 1: I think it. I was very much cynical and like
Speaker 1: my wife was very worried because I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching that Harry Potter crap. Like this is before
Speaker 1: we had kids. Like I saw Star Wars. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, superhero movies. I'm like, give me
Speaker 1: a fucking break, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that WandaVision is not good, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, like I didn't like musicals
Speaker 1: until I had kids. You know, Like it's like my
Speaker 1: kids have made me a better person. But like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like things that I don't like. I can
Speaker 1: admit i'm wrong, but like there's some movies that like
Speaker 1: just get under my you know, they're like a thorn.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'll obsess and I'll try and convince
Speaker 1: people like no, this is really not a good movie,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. And you know, the weird
Speaker 1: thing is, it's like I love acting, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm constantly trying to get roles, so I'm usually like,
Speaker 1: don't tell the director. But this is what I hated,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a horrible thing. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one. I'll tell you one movie that
Speaker 1: was absolute garbage. I can tell you too that was
Speaker 1: absolutely and I'll tell you one. Three Billboards was beyond
Speaker 1: the doubt, one of the worst movies I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and I actually enjoy explaining to people why it was
Speaker 1: bad and people were like, but yeah, Francis mcdormant, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is she dressed in a gas station uniform? Why
Speaker 1: is she wearing overalls? She works at a gift shop?
Speaker 1: Why is she in overalls in every scene? Why does
Speaker 1: she work at a gift shop in a town that
Speaker 1: has two people? Why? You know what I mean, It's like,
Speaker 1: why is why is Woody Harrelson's wife? Why does she
Speaker 1: have an Australian accent? If they're in the middle of Missouri,
Speaker 1: It's like why why? Like just why upon, why upon
Speaker 1: upon why? And some of it is it's a non
Speaker 1: American view of what America is like. And so I
Speaker 1: remember I saw Um I Love Cinema Paradiso, and I
Speaker 1: was talking to an Italian and they're like, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That movie's ridiculous, and I was like, why, it's like,
Speaker 1: you're not from the sixties or Italy. He goes, but
Speaker 1: none of that's true. But to an American perspective, that's Italy,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and so um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's my little man. He used to have a really
Speaker 1: funny bit about halle Berry amongst boat Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean it's I also think that there
Speaker 1: are people here's where I'm a snot. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is stand up comedy is I mean, the entertainment industry
Speaker 1: is just it's a horrifying display of human inaptitude. But
Speaker 1: stand up comedy had the remnants of a meritocracy. And
Speaker 1: so I think it's hard for comedians because halle Berry,
Speaker 1: by the way, and I said, fair fawcet, who's one
Speaker 1: of the more beautiful people that have walked this earth?
Speaker 1: Halle Berry one of the more beautiful people. But like
Speaker 1: we have this currency where if someone is attractive, we
Speaker 1: attribute that as it's much more of an American thing.
Speaker 1: That isn't a skill. That's a skill. So if they're
Speaker 1: good looking, that's the equivalent of like, wow, we have
Speaker 1: multi talented. She can act and she's good looking. Jeremy like,
Speaker 1: it's and I'm sure it's just insane. So halle Berry
Speaker 1: and Monster's Ball is so you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's like, first of all, she had
Speaker 1: a kid that's fat. It's like she's never had announced
Speaker 1: of body fat on her entire life, and like and
Speaker 1: so she's like the entire time I'll watch it. I
Speaker 1: was like, why doesn't she just become a model? She
Speaker 1: could be the next halle Berry? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? It's like so like that's where I feel
Speaker 1: like there is the I mean, look, we all want
Speaker 1: you know, who doesn't want to look at Cameron Diaz,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But there's gotta be some
Speaker 1: middle ground, Like you know, we're not just these base animals,
Speaker 1: Like look, you know what I mean. It's like they
Speaker 1: can be moderately attractive, they can be pleasing to look at.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be you know, I do you
Speaker 1: remember that For a while they tried to convince us
Speaker 1: that Cindy Crawford was an actor. Do you remember that
Speaker 1: she was in a movie, Yes Game with Billy Bodwin
Speaker 1: where she played a photographer, and you know, God bless her.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, but like there's great actors, there's
Speaker 1: great female actors. I mean, I guess it's just it's
Speaker 1: it comes down to commerce, right, even like to look
Speaker 1: at it's weird like when movies. Remember when movies used
Speaker 1: to I don't know, I haven't seen it commercial for
Speaker 1: a movie in a while, but like they used to
Speaker 1: be like featuring the music of I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: someone going to a movie to hear a song? Right?
Speaker 1: You want to hear that new Beyonce song? Go to
Speaker 1: a movie and pay twelve bucks? Why don't you just
Speaker 1: google it? I don't know what's the film you backs
Speaker 1: relate to? Jam Geff forget God. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I have an answer to that most relate to. It's
Speaker 1: a good question too, thanks man. What's the movie you
Speaker 1: most relate to? Maybe that don't help me. It was Ladybird,
Speaker 1: the film about the young girl growing up in America.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. I'd like, well, I really get this.
Speaker 1: I think I'm lady bed yeah, I mean I like
Speaker 1: that whole idea. I mean, Ladybird is is interesting how
Speaker 1: her path like, it is amazing that people in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry end up in the entertainment I mean there's
Speaker 1: people that are like when I was ten years old,
Speaker 1: I was in acting classes. There's those people. But the
Speaker 1: rest of us that some of us went to university,
Speaker 1: some of us didn't, But like that we ended up
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry is amazing because there's no rules,
Speaker 1: there's no real apprenticeship program. It really is reliant on
Speaker 1: persistence and an appetite for eating shit and also getting
Speaker 1: lucky that someone opens a door, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: so often times in the entertainment industry where I was like,
Speaker 1: I remember I did a movie. This was back in
Speaker 1: the nineties. It was like the first movie I did.
Speaker 1: It's like ridiculously bad. It was in Jamaica. I was
Speaker 1: in Jamaica for a month and I came back and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, well, well where do I go now?
Speaker 1: I guess I'm having lunch with Tom Hanks and I
Speaker 1: couldn't even get an agent. I was like, but I
Speaker 1: was in a movie and they're like, we don't care
Speaker 1: and so there's no rules. There's you know, like in
Speaker 1: going back and I don't know your your your origin story,
Speaker 1: but like you know, there's there's advice you can get,
Speaker 1: but some of it is you have to Like I
Speaker 1: wish I would have worked in a casting office because
Speaker 1: that would have helped. I wish I would have done that.
Speaker 1: What just to understand what a fucking absolute lottery it is.
Speaker 1: To understand that it's a lottery to understand preparation. You know,
Speaker 1: working on my own show was so important because now
Speaker 1: I kind of pride myself on being a good soldier
Speaker 1: when I'm hired on a project because I was an
Speaker 1: executive producer, I'm like, can I show up? I mean
Speaker 1: I was always showing up and prepared. But now I
Speaker 1: really understand the value of not being the nightmare or
Speaker 1: not being the guy that's like I want an egg
Speaker 1: sandwich and you're like, why do you know what? I mean?
Speaker 1: Just do your job. Yeah. It is fascinating when you
Speaker 1: see like good people, you know, friends of yours, how
Speaker 1: they behave on set and it might not be incredibly
Speaker 1: caustic or anything like that, it's just a little bit
Speaker 1: like you're not helping the process. It surprises me that
Speaker 1: people you're not friends with because of this or that
Speaker 1: you like, let no, no, there's but there's really talented
Speaker 1: people that I've worked with where I'm like shocked, like
Speaker 1: holy shit, yeah you're doing that. And some people are
Speaker 1: teflon it doesn't really have an impact. But some people,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can see why maybe you're not getting
Speaker 1: these roles. And some of it is and they're great,
Speaker 1: they're great actors, but like the neurosis can get in
Speaker 1: the way. It's insecurity, right, you think, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to be a good person,
Speaker 1: as in it's so complicated. There things such a huge
Speaker 1: fucking machine and you are a time to coget it
Speaker 1: and you just have to. I mean there are people
Speaker 1: I would be like, I don't want to. I've had
Speaker 1: the thing where it's like this person's amazing, they're a
Speaker 1: legend there this, they're that, but they're also a fucking
Speaker 1: Nightmare's like, why don't we just won't work with him? Then?
Speaker 1: Because there's also people are amazing who are not a nightmare,
Speaker 1: So why don't we just get there instead? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: there is like I think it's so fascinating that every
Speaker 1: set is this unique family dynamic. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: you have to be there for the right reasons. That's
Speaker 1: why I love indies because nobody is there for the money.
Speaker 1: There's almost a necessity for collaboration because you're figuring it out,
Speaker 1: you know, and like shows, it's like it could be
Speaker 1: a different dynamic. I mean, I've been on shows where
Speaker 1: I was not happy, but I was there for the
Speaker 1: wrong reason. I was like, i'll do this, it won't
Speaker 1: get picked up, and then I got picked up. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's a night. So yeah, and so you gotta be
Speaker 1: really I mean, I do think that, like the whole
Speaker 1: notion of creative fulfillment is the goal. You know, when
Speaker 1: I do the comedy specials or I perform in London,
Speaker 1: which is very exciting and seems and it's prestigious, it's
Speaker 1: like it really is the creative buzz, like as big
Speaker 1: as Ted Lasso is and you know, the Emmy and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, it's like it's the creative buzz. It's
Speaker 1: the creative fulfillment that matters more. We'll be right back now.
Speaker 1: It's like Jim, it's a podcast about movies. Next question
Speaker 1: will be interesting with me. Next question is what's the
Speaker 1: sexiest film you've ever seen? Given you don't like pretty
Speaker 1: people being on film, what's the sexiest film? Oh? I
Speaker 1: like pretty people. I like cretit people. Yeah, I mean sexiest.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's something about Wild Things was with
Speaker 1: Nev Campbell that was like that do it, that'll do it, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect I mean I remember Hallie
Speaker 1: Berrian was it Bulworth? I mean, yeah, so beautiful, so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and then Emily roger Kowski in uh yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: not right. Do what I mean, that's not right, that's
Speaker 1: too much to take. Yeah. I think some of it
Speaker 1: is the fact that these are we don't know these people,
Speaker 1: and like if we knew them, we couldn't sexualize them, right,
Speaker 1: we would just be like, oh, that's Hallie, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Oh that's oh Emily. I ate
Speaker 1: launch with her. You're like, if we knew them, Like,
Speaker 1: have you ever had somebody that? Like? I remember I
Speaker 1: worked on a show and my brother and the female lead.
Speaker 1: My brother was like she is the cutest, prettiest and
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah yeah, And I couldn't see it because
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, she kind of forces the humor,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like she was great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And he's like, no, but
Speaker 1: she's the cutest and I'm like, nah, she's not. She's
Speaker 1: just kind of like you know, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? It takes away the mystique. That's very funny.
Speaker 1: There's a subcategory troubling bone is worrying. Why don't film
Speaker 1: you found a rousing that you went? Show you shit?
Speaker 1: I mean there was like not a movie, but Batman.
Speaker 1: There was when I was a little kid, Batman, you
Speaker 1: know that that kind of that show there was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Catwoman had like a younger daughter that was, but
Speaker 1: she was kind of like instead of a cat Woman
Speaker 1: being all, you know, in black leather, she was like
Speaker 1: kind of like in pink. And I was like I
Speaker 1: remember like that, me going well, why do I like
Speaker 1: her so much? Do you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: that was just uh as a boy. Yeah, But that's
Speaker 1: kind of like that question is a general entrapment question.
Speaker 1: It's like, correct, hey, you get it, you get it.
Speaker 1: What's what creepy things turn you on? It is an
Speaker 1: entrapment crisis. What's the greatest film ever made? Might not
Speaker 1: be your favorite, but the pinnacle of cinema, the greatest
Speaker 1: objectively the greatest. I would probably say Casablanca. But I
Speaker 1: think I'm biased. I think I'm biased because I did
Speaker 1: you ever take that screenwriting class with McKee where he
Speaker 1: breaks down every element? He breaks down every element of it.
Speaker 1: It has all the elements that I love, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, absolutely could be the greatest films
Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah, and it's funny, it's funny, it
Speaker 1: has history. I love history stuff. Right, it still remains grounded,
Speaker 1: like I like think that are grounded in reality, like
Speaker 1: even some Quarantino stuff. I'm like, can we ground this
Speaker 1: a little bit more? And that's why I as absurd
Speaker 1: as the story of Apostle is it was, it was
Speaker 1: kind of grounded. Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so I would say, um, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's a wonderful life is pretty amazing too. I
Speaker 1: think the reason that holds up is it has a
Speaker 1: lot of humor. It has I mean, Jimmy Stewart and
Speaker 1: Donner read. I mean, she's beautiful too, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? What's the film you could or have?
Speaker 1: What's the most Iveran Iver again? I've watched I've watched
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life many times. So in the US,
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life used to be played all during
Speaker 1: Christmas season, and then they raised the price, and so
Speaker 1: then they switched to a Christmas story was played. So
Speaker 1: I've ended up seeing that many times and again reaching
Speaker 1: the point where he runs in. I did an episode
Speaker 1: of my TV show that was kind of like It's
Speaker 1: a Wonderful Life too, but it really kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the right priorities are the right always the right choice
Speaker 1: jar I mean, like this guy wants to see the
Speaker 1: world and he gets trapped by his family, but he's happier.
Speaker 1: But you know, like if that was done in real life,
Speaker 1: he'd really resent those kids. You'd be like, these kids,
Speaker 1: I wanted to work on a steamship, but no, I'm
Speaker 1: just in this small town in New York. He would
Speaker 1: have ended up like old Man Potter. How about this
Speaker 1: old man Potter is the grandfather of Drew Barrymore. Isn't
Speaker 1: that weird? Oh? I thought you were about to pitch
Speaker 1: me an old man Pottery and I was going to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: finally his fucking story. Tell Yeah, Well, we know it
Speaker 1: would just be like his backstory would be screwed, right,
Speaker 1: it would just be like he was nice, he got
Speaker 1: his heartbroken and he went into money. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you know he never even needed
Speaker 1: to be in that wheelchair. He was just lazy that
Speaker 1: I did. Not big negative, but you type mind it's film.
Speaker 1: You've ever said it's weird. It's contexts, right, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: when you see it. So like even in defense of
Speaker 1: Three Billboards, maybe if I saw it in a theater,
Speaker 1: maybe if I saw it before I heard the hype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's weird because something is you know, we
Speaker 1: know that like some of it can be so bad
Speaker 1: that they end up being good, right, yeah, like Roadhouse
Speaker 1: supposedly they're doing Roadhouse again. Really, yeah, it's weird because
Speaker 1: we also know that it is so hard to do
Speaker 1: something good. It's so hard, and it's there's a level
Speaker 1: of focus that is necessary and it's still might not
Speaker 1: guarantee that it's good. I'm always shocked whenever I have
Speaker 1: whenever I work on a movie, there's always a moment
Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh my gosh, it's the amount of
Speaker 1: focus that is necessary in acting, Like you have a
Speaker 1: choice you have to listen. You're listening and you know
Speaker 1: to how the scenes going, you know, what's going on
Speaker 1: with other people. And then someone comes up and they
Speaker 1: do this, and they're like that, and then you hear
Speaker 1: someone tell a story and someone's like Johnny Depp and
Speaker 1: Amber heard, and then they're like shoot, and you're like,
Speaker 1: but I so like the focus. I was working on
Speaker 1: this and that's where somebody like I worked with Viola
Speaker 1: Davis on Troope zero and it was that was so amazing,
Speaker 1: the level of focus. Because we were in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: we were outside, it was really hot, like uncomfortably hot.
Speaker 1: We're both sweating, and her amount of focus was breath taking.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what was she doing?
Speaker 1: Was she like just quiet between takes or was she
Speaker 1: how did that? She was perfectly agreeable and she would
Speaker 1: you know, she might look at her phone, she might,
Speaker 1: but the focus in the scene was pretty pretty tremendous.
Speaker 1: It's weird because I think in comedy, if you over focus,
Speaker 1: it can deter some of the humor, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I think the looseness of the moment.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's different with different beads or you know, the
Speaker 1: character you're playing, but like the looseness to make it funnier, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the less you're forcing it. I think that's important, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was gonna you know what,
Speaker 1: I find fascinating. I don't know if I've brought this
Speaker 1: up to you when we hung out that one night.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this isn't necessarily true because
Speaker 1: because things shift. But I you know, and I, by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm plugging my London date again, but I
Speaker 1: do think that the Brits, and maybe this is just
Speaker 1: from an American perspective. You Brits love Americans that are
Speaker 1: angry Bill Hicks, Bill Burr, Dennis Leary or absurdists. So
Speaker 1: Dmitri Martin, you know, Hannibal and you love this super smart.
Speaker 1: I remember I did a show in London at a
Speaker 1: pub and I went out after a guy who did
Speaker 1: probably five jokes about chess, and remember thinking, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So like, there is something about
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I make fun of Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: I tell Jerry, I'm like, you know, we're observational guys.
Speaker 1: He goes, what does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I'm like, but he is an observational comedian. I'm an
Speaker 1: observational comedian. But I do think that, like you Bret's
Speaker 1: love you Love an American with anger, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just kind of like, look at these
Speaker 1: emotions pouring out of this guy. It's interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't say you're correct as in this generalization is
Speaker 1: completely true, because I don't know if I've seen enough
Speaker 1: to as in I haven't. I haven't studied the stats
Speaker 1: that way. But if it is true, I love that
Speaker 1: theory that it's because we're not used to sing emotions
Speaker 1: and we're like wow, wow, Well I'm obviously I'm exaggerating now, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I think they might be saying in it that's
Speaker 1: very funny. There is something about a cultural dynamic, do you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think the best audiences are probably
Speaker 1: Canadians because the Canadians are probably a combination of Americans
Speaker 1: and Brett. Yeah, you know interesting. Hang on, what's the
Speaker 1: film that made you laugh the most? Airplane? And again
Speaker 1: I was probably a you know, a teenager, but the
Speaker 1: efficiency and consistency of the laughs was really I don't
Speaker 1: generally like comedies, I like performing it. Like what if
Speaker 1: I see like a Will Farrell or an Adam Sandler movie,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I'm like, those guys had a blast
Speaker 1: doing this. Yeah, I don't want to see it, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I love Will Ferrell, I
Speaker 1: love Adam Sandler. I'd rather see Adam Sandler and uncut
Speaker 1: gems than in a silly comedy. And it's weird because
Speaker 1: when you have kids again, it's like, with each of
Speaker 1: my kids, I take them on these daddy and me trips.
Speaker 1: When they turned ten and I was with my son
Speaker 1: and I had some shows in Alaska and I brought
Speaker 1: him and I was like, all right, you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you want to watch well, and he goes Sander and
Speaker 1: Chris Rock and Kevin James they did these movies and
Speaker 1: uh where they were like buddy grown ups and he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to watch grown ups too, and I'm like
Speaker 1: all right, and so, you know, because he was ten, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I watched it, and I know all those guys
Speaker 1: are way funnier than that movie, you know, but he
Speaker 1: loved it. And I did look at it and I
Speaker 1: was like, they probably had a blast doing that. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of you know what, like Peter
Speaker 1: Sellers makes me laugh, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like being there that was really funny, But I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just you know, it's like I'm just such
Speaker 1: a sour puss. It's like a lot of these comedies.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like I get it, Like I love
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell and he's funny, but like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess Anchorman was funny, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite comedy? Just laughing at me because yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're a real salapus. Yeah, what's my favorite comedy?
Speaker 1: I can't answer that question, and I would never do
Speaker 1: this podcast, so you can't ask me because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go on this podcast. These are insane questions to ask anyway. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: Jim gaff again, you've been amazing as expected, and we've
Speaker 1: gone way over time, and I really appreciate you giving
Speaker 1: me all this time. However, when you were on a plane,
Speaker 1: you were flying on a plane and one person didn't
Speaker 1: have their seat belt on, and another person had an
Speaker 1: electronics open, and another person had put their phone on
Speaker 1: focus instead of airplane mode, and it was a perfect
Speaker 1: storm of those three things happening at once, and the
Speaker 1: plane just exploded, exploded, you were dead instantly went straight
Speaker 1: to cheeseburger Heaven. I was walking along with my coffin,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm like, and I see this explosion
Speaker 1: that I was like, what's that? And then you're a
Speaker 1: head with land first because it was heaviest. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: head landed, bits of you. I'm like, what an absolute mess.
Speaker 1: So I start cleaning up, but you've landed on a
Speaker 1: little kid. As I'm say, sorry, I get that off
Speaker 1: the kid. Yeah, get all the bits of you I can.
Speaker 1: And there's bits of engine attached to your forehead, all sorts. Anyway,
Speaker 1: stuff you in the coffin. I do what I can,
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely random there. There's only enough room in
Speaker 1: this coffin for me to slide one DVD into the
Speaker 1: side with you. When you go to the other side.
Speaker 1: It's movie night every night, and one night it's your
Speaker 1: movie night. What film are you taking to show the
Speaker 1: Cheesebaggers of Heaven when you get there, mister Jim gaff again,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a wonderful life. It's got to be.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful life. Great choice, Jim gaff again. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you would like to tell people to watch, listen,
Speaker 1: to look out for, or follow you. I think they
Speaker 1: should watch that Netflix show Occupied. Did you watch that? No,
Speaker 1: this is for you about me? We watch Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I would say. I mean, I would love it if
Speaker 1: they would watch American Dreamer, which is on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1: It's this India I did that people love but like
Speaker 1: some critics really had mixed reviews. So that's that's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing, is like there's most of the stuff I
Speaker 1: do a movie wise, I'll be like, I'll see it
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, but I thought American Dreamer was
Speaker 1: really good, and then we got a bad review from
Speaker 1: the New York Times and I was like, what the
Speaker 1: And it was just like, so, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's fresh on rotten tomatoes, but it's good. So like
Speaker 1: everyone that watches it is like, wow, that's really good.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. So, uh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm answering the question right. And then I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in London, so maybe they can come and see
Speaker 1: me Sunday. Uh it's Sunday in November. Okay, it's so
Speaker 1: hard to get a date, right, Yeah, it's all those
Speaker 1: angry comics taking up all the spaces. Yeah, Jim Gaff again,
Speaker 1: you are a delight and I'm very grateful for you
Speaker 1: doing this and I have loved hanging out of you
Speaker 1: and I hope it hasn't been too long for the
Speaker 1: rest of you. Great. Thank you so much. Good day
Speaker 1: to you. So that was episode two hundred and four.
Speaker 1: Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein
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Speaker 1: that means the most to you and why it's a
Speaker 1: very nice thing to read. My neighbor Marian loves it.
Speaker 1: There was Mega Chryst always banging on about it and
Speaker 1: we really like it. Thank you. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: to Jim for giving me all his time. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Scrubius Pitt and the Distraction piece of Network. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics at least allied
Speaker 1: them for the photography. Come and join me next week
Speaker 1: where it is just about time to release the amazing
Speaker 1: Jessica Nappit Live episode. At last you will love it.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. I hope you are
Speaker 1: all well, and in the meantime have a lovely week.
Speaker 1: And please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.